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Credlin | 15 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Kredlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm Calim Marcus filling in for Peter Kredlin
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Speaker 2: coming up tonight.
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Speaker 3: Fears of a US.
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Speaker 2: Strike in Iran grow as its airspace is now closed.
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Speaker 3: Will bring you the latest developments.
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Speaker 2: Multiple cars have been swept out to sea as flash flooding,
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Speaker 2: Breton's popular Victorian holiday hotspots will cross.
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Speaker 3: Live to the region soon, and the.
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Speaker 2: Adelaide Festival's astonishing backflip as it reinstates Randa abdel Fatta
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Speaker 2: as footage re emerges of her praising the October seven
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Speaker 2: terror attacks. But first Anthony Albanesi's hate speech laws appear
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Speaker 2: doomed as the Coalition came out swinging against them today,
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Speaker 2: saying they cannot support the reforms because they would fail
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Speaker 2: to confront anti Semitism and radical Islam. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: was hoping for the backing of the Greens when Parliament
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Speaker 2: returns early next week for an emergency session to push
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Speaker 2: through the government's bill, though the far left party said
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Speaker 2: this afternoon it too couldn't support the legislation. In one
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Speaker 2: of her strongest addresses, as Opposition leader Susan Lee attacked
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Speaker 2: the Labour's package as unsalvagable.
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Speaker 4: The legislation does not address the real issues that gave
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Speaker 4: rise to the Bondai attack. It doesn't address Islamic extremism,
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Speaker 4: it doesn't address isis influence, and it doesn't address the
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Speaker 4: rise of antisemitism and the associated terrorist threat in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Any successful legislation must tackle the biggest threat to not
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Speaker 2: just Jewish life, but all Australian life, and right now,
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Speaker 2: that is radical Islam. As Lee points out, this bill
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Speaker 2: just doesn't do that.
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Speaker 5: There's more than five hundred pages of legislation and the
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Speaker 5: term radical Islam is not mentioned once. If the Prime
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Speaker 5: Minister can't name the problem, he can't tackle it.
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Speaker 2: And not only does the bill not mention radical Islam,
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Speaker 2: let alone tackle it, its religious carveouts actually provide defenses
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Speaker 2: for hate preachers. Rule of Law Institute Vice president Chris
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Speaker 2: Merritt writes in The Australian Today the legislation effectively serves
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Speaker 2: as a how to for radical Islamic preachers. He says,
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Speaker 2: the defense amounts to a guide for hate preachers. It
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Speaker 2: tells them exactly what they need to do in order
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Speaker 2: to continue promoting racial hatred within unity.
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Speaker 3: And Chris will be.
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Speaker 2: Coming on the show very shortly to explain further. Listen,
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Speaker 2: I am Jewish, I have friends who were shot and
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Speaker 2: seriously injured in the Bondaye attack, and like many people
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Speaker 2: in our community, I desperately want our law enforcement to
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Speaker 2: crack down on the worst culprits who've been calling for
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Speaker 2: violence and whipping up hatred against us. I know this
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Speaker 2: might put me at odds with a peak Jewish body
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Speaker 2: which is calling for the legislation to be passed as
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Speaker 2: it is, But what is the point of these new
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Speaker 2: laws if they don't even capture one of the main
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Speaker 2: sources and drivers of anti Semitism against Jews in today's Australia.
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Speaker 2: We know that Sydney Islamic Prayer Hall al Medina Dawa center,
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Speaker 2: once led by hate preacher with some haddad, had been
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Speaker 2: linked to one of the Bondai gunmen, Navidkrum, who police
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Speaker 2: also alleged was motivated by Islamic state. And it's great
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Speaker 2: that Almadina Dawa has finally finally been permanently closed as
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Speaker 2: of yesterday, but these hate preachers will continue to pop
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Speaker 2: up elsewhere or online unless the.
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Speaker 3: Laws are crystal clear.
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Speaker 2: Instead, we are left with legislation that could curb any
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Speaker 2: speech the Government of the day simply doesn't like, and
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Speaker 2: as Labor Minister Ann Ali said yesterday, the Government is
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Speaker 2: open to looking at expanding these laws to tackle whatever
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Speaker 2: may be deemed Islamophobia. Can we for once please just
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Speaker 2: discuss anti Semitism without having to quickly mention Islamophobia in
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Speaker 2: the same breath. That is not the major threat to
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Speaker 2: Australian life, and in fact, these types of blasphemy laws
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Speaker 2: would highly likely be weaponized to shut down critique of
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Speaker 2: radical Islam. The coalition's opposition to the bill comes after
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Speaker 2: Conservative MPs including Andrew Hasty, spoke out against it.
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Speaker 6: I'll be voting against it for two main reasons. The
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Speaker 6: first is this bill is an attack on our basic
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Speaker 6: democratic freedoms freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and freedom
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Speaker 6: of religion. But secondly, the Prime Minister is showing absolute
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Speaker 6: contempt for normal parliamentary process. For a bill of this
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Speaker 6: size we would normally take a few months. Instead, the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister has reduced that process to a couple of.
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Speaker 2: Days and tomorrow it's highly likely the Jewish community will
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Speaker 2: be subjected to more hate speech and calls for violence
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Speaker 2: against them as pro Palestinian protesters defy a fourteen day
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Speaker 2: ban on protests introduced by the New Southwelles Premiere to
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Speaker 2: hold their first mass pro Palestine protest since the Bonnai attack.
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Speaker 2: While the band doesn't stop static protests, it does prevent
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Speaker 2: organizers from lodging form ones, which means they can't be
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Speaker 2: protected from being arrested for summary offenses think blocking roads,
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Speaker 2: blocking foot paths and blocking pedestrians. Assistant Commissioner Peter McKenna
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Speaker 2: said while the activists hadn't returned New South Wales Police's calls,
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Speaker 2: they should be under no doubt officers won't hesitate to
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Speaker 2: make arrests and I'm.
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Speaker 7: Hoping that they understand it is illegal at the moment
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Speaker 7: to breach these public decorations.
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Speaker 8: We don't want that.
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Speaker 9: But having said that, we will be there in force.
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Speaker 3: But here's the kicker.
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Speaker 2: Police themselves still don't seem sure what actually constitutes hate speech.
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Speaker 2: Watch this exchange from today's press conference when the Assistant
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Speaker 2: Commissioner is asked about what will happen if protesters chant
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Speaker 2: globalize The enterpatas.
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Speaker 10: Are the same repel super protests, whether they started change
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Speaker 10: globalizing Vada, You say, it is her Charits responded, well.
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Speaker 7: We would respond by legal advice as to whether there's
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Speaker 7: an offense to chant.
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Speaker 8: Whatever the chant.
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Speaker 2: In other words, no clarity about whether police will or
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Speaker 2: can even act on these hateful calls for violence. In
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Speaker 2: a stunning yet entirely predictable backflip, the Adelaide Festival Board
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Speaker 2: has cowardly reversed a decision to disinvite anti Israel academic
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Speaker 2: Randa abdel Fata from its writers week and issued her.
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Speaker 3: A groveling apology.
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Speaker 2: The board retracted its previous statements, saying it would be
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Speaker 2: culturally insensitive to allow the activists to participate given the
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Speaker 2: events at Bondi. It said, we apologize to doctor abdel
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Speaker 2: Fatto unreservedly for the harm the adur Laid Festival Corporation.
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Speaker 3: Has caused her.
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Speaker 2: The board has now invited the academic to speak at
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Speaker 2: its event next year, given next month's program remains canceled
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Speaker 2: after the mass walkout of other participants and the board
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Speaker 2: director Louise Adler in solidarity with abdel Fatta. What a weak,
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Speaker 2: pathetic response. Shame on you, Adelaid Festival. And of course
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Speaker 2: this disgraceful capitulation only feeds into the hate fills abdel
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Speaker 2: Fatter's victim narrative.
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Speaker 3: Here was her response to that apology today.
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Speaker 11: I accept this apology as acknowledgment of our right to
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Speaker 11: speak publicly and truthfully about the atrocities that have been
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Speaker 11: committed against the Palestinian people. I accept this apology as
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Speaker 11: a vindication of our collective solidarity and mobilization against censorship.
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Speaker 3: What rot, what utter hypocrisy.
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Speaker 2: It was only last night I revealed this new poster
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Speaker 2: girl for free speech is still advocating for the censorship
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Speaker 2: of Zonus voices. In other words, the overwhelming majority of
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Speaker 2: Jews not to mention anyone who simply believes Jews have
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Speaker 2: a right to live in their ancestral homeland. Here's what
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Speaker 2: she said on a podcast just yesterday.
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Speaker 11: It should not be platformed and celebrated in the name
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Speaker 11: of free speech.
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Speaker 12: It is about as ridiculous as saying that a white
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Speaker 12: supremacist is entitled to take to a stage and defend
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Speaker 12: the right to subjugate black populations, or a misogynist can
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Speaker 12: take to the stage and talk about the inferiority of women.
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Speaker 3: And both.
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Speaker 2: Abdel Fata and now former Festival director Louise Adler it's
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Speaker 2: emerged have demanded the board retract an invitation to a
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Speaker 2: journalist journalist, a Jewish journalist, only.
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Speaker 3: Two years ago.
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Speaker 2: Yet now they're positioning themselves as champions of free speech.
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Speaker 2: Randa abdel Fatta was not disinvited because of anti Palestinian
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Speaker 2: racism or censorship of criticism of Israel, as she has claimed.
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Speaker 2: She was asked because she has actively been fanning the
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Speaker 2: flames of anti Semitism for more than two years. I
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Speaker 2: want to show you tonight this interview abdel Fata did
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Speaker 2: with the ABC just one day after the October seventh
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Speaker 2: terror attack on Israel in twenty twenty three, in which
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Speaker 2: he described the sense of pride she felt about the
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Speaker 2: biggest slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 13: Who are you in contact with family or friends and
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Speaker 13: how are they feeling?
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Speaker 3: Just very quickly, yes, I am.
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Speaker 14: And there is a feeling of pride at what has happened,
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Speaker 14: a feeling of knowing that it was inevitable, and a
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Speaker 14: sort of a feeling that, well, we told you that
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Speaker 14: this was escalating.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen such a stomach turning example of
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Speaker 2: victim blaming? And the academic doubled down a year after
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Speaker 2: that horrific event, when the full scale of the atrocities
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Speaker 2: and the sexual violence that had taken place on that
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Speaker 2: day was widely known, she wrote, if you ask me
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Speaker 2: about hope, there was a glimmer on October seven.
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Speaker 3: It was palpable, real and exhilarating. So please tell me.
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Speaker 2: How is this woman any different from the hate preacher
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Speaker 2: who took to the streets of Southwest Sydney the day
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Speaker 2: after October seven and said this, I'm.
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Speaker 8: Smiling and unhappy.
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Speaker 9: I'm it's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if she Ibraham
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Speaker 2: Dardoun is invited to headline next year is Adelaide RTUs
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Speaker 2: Week two. Let's return now to the Albanese government's hate
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Speaker 2: speech laws laws, and joining me now is The Australian's
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Speaker 2: Legal affairs contributor Chris Marrit. Chris I mentioned in my
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Speaker 2: editorial just now your piece today in the newspaper about
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Speaker 2: the flaws you say in these hate speech laws and
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Speaker 2: how you argue that the religious carbauts will actually serve
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Speaker 2: as a how to guide for the likes of hate preachers.
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Speaker 3: How will they do that?
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Speaker 8: Well?
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Speaker 15: The bottom line is unless the so called religious text
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Speaker 15: defense is dropped taken out of this proposed bill, it
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Speaker 15: will undermine the overall legitimate purpose of the bill, which
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Speaker 15: is to suppress the promotion of hate speech, hate speech
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Speaker 15: on the basis of due hatred if.
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Speaker 8: It goes ahead.
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Speaker 15: If this bill goes ahead with that defense, I think
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Speaker 15: it would be worse than doing nothing. It would be
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Speaker 15: a betrayal of reasonable members of the Islamic community who
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Speaker 15: are deeply opposed to religious leaders who promote racial hatred.
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Speaker 15: It would in fact validate the acts of any religious leader,
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Speaker 15: Islamic religious leader who has criticized.
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Speaker 8: Jews and link that back to religious texts.
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Speaker 15: It would effectively amount to the federal government, the Federal
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Speaker 15: Parliament endorsing that approach, that that approach going forward is
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Speaker 15: perfectly legitimate, Go for your life, continue it.
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Speaker 8: So it wouldn't work, The law wouldn't work.
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Speaker 15: It would betray any possibility that reasonable members of the
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Speaker 15: Muslim community could put pressure on their religious leaders to
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Speaker 15: throttle back and take a more reasonable approach. So I
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Speaker 15: don't think it should go ahead with the defense. Without
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Speaker 15: the defense a completely different story. I think it's clear.
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Speaker 15: I know there's different views on this. My view comes
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Speaker 15: down right in the middle here. I think it should
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Speaker 15: go ahead without that defense. I think it should go
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Speaker 15: ahead quickly after the law is redrafted. It clearly needs
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Speaker 15: to be redrafted. There's been a series of problematic areas
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Speaker 15: that have already come to light. Susan lees remarks this
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Speaker 15: afternoon I thought were surprisingly strong. I've not seen her
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Speaker 15: make anything quite as strong.
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Speaker 16: I believe that it was her strongest speech yet, so
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Speaker 16: I think her points are quite good.
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Speaker 15: I think the problem with the government the government's bill
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Speaker 15: is that I think what they've done as in a rush.
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Speaker 15: They've simply copied a flawed act of the New South
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Speaker 15: Wales Parliament that was introduced about February last year.
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Speaker 8: I think.
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Speaker 15: Despite misgivings by the former Chief Justice of New South Wales,
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Speaker 15: Tom Bathist, who warned against using incitement to hate as
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Speaker 15: a criterion for criminal law. He preferred a more orthodox
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Speaker 15: approach of basing criminality on incitement to violence. Now the government,
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Speaker 15: the New South Wales Government, disregarded mister Bathurst's concerns and legislated.
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Speaker 15: The federal government I think has simply copied that approach,
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Speaker 15: and that explains why it's there. I've written repeatedly in
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Speaker 15: the Australian about my misgivings about the New South Wales approach,
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Speaker 15: warning that it would do exactly what I think that
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Speaker 15: the federal.
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Speaker 8: Law will now do.
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Speaker 2: Is this where you saying you're concerns of the test
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Speaker 2: for liability for villapification or is that something else.
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Speaker 8: That's that's a separate concern. I think that does need
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Speaker 8: to be addressed.
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Speaker 15: The test for liability seems very close to the test
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Speaker 15: in section eighteen see the Racial Discrimination Act, which looks
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Speaker 15: a bit too subjective for my mind if it relies
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Speaker 15: on the assessments of a reasonable member of the group
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Speaker 15: who claims to have been targeted by hate speech. To
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Speaker 15: my mind, a proper approach for criminal law would be
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Speaker 15: to structure the test for liability on the standards of
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Speaker 15: the general community, not the standards of the sector of
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Speaker 15: the community that claims to have been the victim of
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Speaker 15: hate speech. So I think it's problematic. I would like
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Speaker 15: to have seen this law enacted quite quickly. I don't
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Speaker 15: think that's going to happen now.
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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't seem that way unless maybe the Greens
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Speaker 2: come to the party of the government strikes some kind
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Speaker 2: of deal with the Greens, which I mean, I thank
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Speaker 2: God forbid, it could make.
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Speaker 3: It even worse if that were to happen.
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Speaker 2: Let's move on and talk because about Ryanda abdel Fato,
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Speaker 2: because I really.
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Speaker 3: Love your legal view on this threat.
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Speaker 2: She's made this defamation threat to the South Australian Premier
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Speaker 2: Peter Malanowskis, who made comments over her axing from the
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Speaker 2: Adelaide Writer's Week. Of course, she's now been reinstated, but
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Speaker 2: he made some comments at the time about her being
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Speaker 2: acted and she sent him a concerns notice.
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Speaker 3: Do you think the Premier should be concerned about that?
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Speaker 15: Well, I'm surprised that she's resorted to the law of defamation.
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Speaker 15: As I understand it, she's complained that the Premier, in
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Speaker 15: her words, accused her of being a terrorist sympathizer. Now
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Speaker 15: it depends a judge will determine whether what the Premier
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Speaker 15: said actually contains that imputation. But let's assume it does.
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Speaker 15: That means she's voluntarily she is going to voluntarily initiate
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Speaker 15: legal proceedings that will, in excruciating detail, scratch over her
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Speaker 15: public record to determine whether she is in fact a
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Speaker 15: terrorism sympathizer. That's if the Premier chooses to use the
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Speaker 15: defensive truth, he might also consider the might be considering
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Speaker 15: the defensive fair comment. If there's a proper basis, a
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Speaker 15: factual basis for the imputation that might be portrayed by
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Speaker 15: his remarks, that would be defensible. So there's two possibilities there.
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Speaker 15: There's the defense of truth and the defensive fair comment,
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Speaker 15: both of which I think will be thrashed out in
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Speaker 15: a public forum and could be quite embarrassing for Dr
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Speaker 15: Randa Randall adil Fatter.
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Speaker 8: So we'll see how that goes.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I mean we've talked plenty of times about
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Speaker 2: all the examples. I just gave another couple of instances
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Speaker 2: where she appeared to be supporting what Hamas did quite
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Speaker 2: clearly on October seven, and saying that she felt pride
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Speaker 2: in it. I think as well, it should be pointed
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Speaker 2: out if someone sends a concerns notice, that doesn't necessarily
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Speaker 2: mean that they will follow through with defamation action.
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Speaker 15: Could yes, quite right, Well, it could be designed to
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Speaker 15: elicit an apology. I'd be surprised if the Premier of
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Speaker 15: South Australia issued such an apology. He would be taking
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Speaker 15: legal advice right now, and he'd be aware of what
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Speaker 15: I've just outlined what could be ahead.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Chris Marrett, thank you so much as always for
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Speaker 2: your insights and your time. Let's go now to news
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Speaker 2: that's broken over the past couple of hours and emerging
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Speaker 2: see warning is in place as flash flooding hits Victoria's
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Speaker 2: Great Ocean Road, sweeping cars out to sea. Residents and
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Speaker 2: holiday makers in Why River, Cannett River, Cumberland River and
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Speaker 2: Lawn have fled to higher ground as record reinforces road closures.
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Speaker 2: Now three A W presenter Ross Stevenson happens to be
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Speaker 2: in Lawn. I understand on holidays himself and joins us. Now, Ross,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time. First of all,
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Speaker 2: are you okay there as everyone you know?
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Speaker 17: Okay, yeah, yeah, all okay. Here the Lawn was the
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Speaker 17: subject of flash flooding, and there's been flash flooding the
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Speaker 17: further west down at Why River that's probably even worse.
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Speaker 17: That's the one where cars have been swept out to sea.
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Speaker 17: But here the bridge connecting Lawn with the Melbourne side
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Speaker 17: of the Highway is currently closed, so no one has
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Speaker 17: been able to get out or in, and I don't
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Speaker 17: know how long that's going to last, but it pretty
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Speaker 17: much Caroline came from nowhere. I looked this morning at
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Speaker 17: the forecast for rain because I have children with me,
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Speaker 17: and it was twenty five to forty mills. And the
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Speaker 17: last time I checked the amount of rain that was
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Speaker 17: recorded at Mount Cowley, which is the nearest weather station here,
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Speaker 17: it was one hundred and sixty six miles, which is
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Speaker 17: a lot of rain for this part of the world.
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Speaker 17: Lawn itself didn't have that much rain, but I suspect
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Speaker 17: it was in the nearby hills where that rain has
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Speaker 17: fallen and it's come down and just reaped sun the havoc.
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Speaker 2: What is the atmosphere like around you? Are people panicking
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Speaker 2: like you? I imagine people weren't prepared for this, you know,
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Speaker 2: a freak weather event.
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Speaker 17: I know it's settled down now and people are comfortably
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Speaker 17: going about their business, but they'll be trying to work
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Speaker 17: out how they can get out and how the people
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Speaker 17: that they were destined to meet down here can I
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Speaker 17: get in. But as you know, what is today Almond Holiday?
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Speaker 17: So I lose track. Today's Thursday. Last Saturday, I was
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Speaker 17: just on the other side of the otways where I
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Speaker 17: have a place, and I was deeply concerned about bush
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Speaker 17: fires with wind coming from an easterly coming straight up
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Speaker 17: the town that I have a place in. And five
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Speaker 17: days later it's torrential rain. But things have settled down
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Speaker 17: here now and I don't think there's much further rain forecast,
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Speaker 17: but it was there. I know you'll be showing some
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Speaker 17: unbelievable video footage from Wier River and there is incredible
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Speaker 17: video footage from Lawn here because the camping ground is
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Speaker 17: right on the Erskine River, and well, if you enjoyed
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Speaker 17: a wet camping experience, this was the place to be.
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Speaker 2: I know, we were just talking about bushfires. Now it's
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Speaker 2: flash flooding in Victoria, just very quickly. Ross One was
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Speaker 2: out of time. But what is the latest advice from
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Speaker 2: the emergency services? Is it still for people to stay
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Speaker 2: in place shelter?
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Speaker 10: It was.
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Speaker 17: There was one issue that five forty six, which I
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Speaker 17: think is roughly half an hour ago, which was precisely that,
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Speaker 17: which was to take shelter inside. But a lot of people,
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Speaker 17: as far as I got to tell, on the main
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Speaker 17: street of determined that inside a restaurant counts as inside.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
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Speaker 2: Look, extraordinary footage as you say, we're showing on our
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Speaker 2: screens right now.
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Speaker 3: You stay safe.
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Speaker 2: I hope you get to enjoy whatever's rest of whatever's
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Speaker 2: rest of your holiday with your kids.
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Speaker 3: And you guys are all okay. That's good to hear. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Coming up, tensions arising in the Middle East as the
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Speaker 2: Trump administration hints of military intervention in Iran. That's next,
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Speaker 2: Moving on out to the situation in Iran, and earlier today,
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Speaker 2: Irun closed its air space amid fears of a strike
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Speaker 2: from the US, although it has since reopened. US officials
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Speaker 2: said that they have also begun withdrawing personnel from bases
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East following threats from the regime. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now are the co founders of the Iranian Australian
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Speaker 2: Patriots Association, Mani te Ghazade and Minutusi. First of all,
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Speaker 2: I wanted to thank both of you for being with
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Speaker 2: us tonight and see how your loved ones are doing
24:29
Speaker 2: back in Iran.
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Speaker 16: I would say thanks for having us, fashol, and absolutely
24:35
Speaker 16: we are very heartbroken and we're very worry because my
24:39
Speaker 16: last connection was last Wednesday night with my sisters, So
24:45
Speaker 16: my sister, with my younger sisters and their kids, they
24:50
Speaker 16: actually committing in their protests. And she sent me a
24:54
Speaker 16: few footage after massive protests in their street, so you
24:59
Speaker 16: couldn't even se see the end of the crowd. So
25:02
Speaker 16: people are chanting, people are asking against they're chanting against
25:07
Speaker 16: this Islamic, barbaric regime. And also they're chanting and asking
25:12
Speaker 16: for account bruisers or baalavi, for help and for like
25:18
Speaker 16: demonstration these things. So since the I haven't heard back
25:22
Speaker 16: from my family, so I tried to call them so
25:25
Speaker 16: many times, I would say every day, but no connection.
25:29
Speaker 2: And this is nuts because of the also possibly because
25:32
Speaker 2: of the electricity and the internet shutdown.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's not.
25:36
Speaker 16: Only they actually cut off and blacked out the internet.
25:40
Speaker 16: They also cutting off the light in the street at
25:46
Speaker 16: night because they want to kill people in the silence.
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Speaker 2: Well, we won't let that hit happen here at Sky,
25:52
Speaker 2: will continue to speak out about it.
25:55
Speaker 3: Money, I'll come to you next.
25:57
Speaker 2: We've seen reports of up to twelve thousand or more
26:02
Speaker 2: protesters that have been killed, and the regime puts this figure,
26:05
Speaker 2: of course much lower than that, but still at at
26:08
Speaker 2: least a couple of thousands. What's your reaction to hearing
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Speaker 2: so many of your fellow countrymen and women are being
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Speaker 2: killed by this regime.
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Speaker 8: I can see.
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Speaker 18: This is very critical and heartbroken time for all Iranians
26:24
Speaker 18: around the world, inside outside because to my understanding and
26:29
Speaker 18: many people, it's very close to a crime against humanity.
26:36
Speaker 3: And now.
26:39
Speaker 18: The people inside expecting their compatriots living outside of Iran
26:45
Speaker 18: in a safe environment to send their voice, to send
26:49
Speaker 18: their message to the world that we need some sort
26:52
Speaker 18: of help.
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Speaker 8: You know, we are just bare hands.
26:55
Speaker 3: But the other side, the.
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Speaker 18: Islamic you know, brutal regime, very very equipped. They have
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Speaker 18: you know, machine guns, they have exported some militia from
27:04
Speaker 18: Iraq called Hashashaby. There are different militia in on the
27:08
Speaker 18: streets with the snipers and killing innocent people, shooting on
27:13
Speaker 18: their head, on their hearts.
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Speaker 13: You know.
27:15
Speaker 18: So Iranian people at the moment because they started this
27:20
Speaker 18: revolution with the command of our Crown Princess of Pahlavi,
27:26
Speaker 18: which is the only hope of the Iranian people to
27:29
Speaker 18: be established a democracy and freedom in Iran. So the
27:35
Speaker 18: Iranians expecting the world don't be silent, send the voice
27:40
Speaker 18: of the Iranians to the outside.
27:41
Speaker 3: We need some sort of support, some sort of.
27:44
Speaker 18: Help from media, from the you know, human rights organizations
27:49
Speaker 18: and journalists around the world. You know, it's actually a
27:53
Speaker 18: crime against humanity. And the actual fact is that we
27:59
Speaker 18: need some sort of you know, very interfere not not
28:05
Speaker 18: we don't need any boots on ground, or we have
28:08
Speaker 18: plenty of boots.
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Speaker 3: On the ground. Do you want would you like to
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Speaker 3: see the US actually strike?
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Speaker 18: Yes, yes, definitely because of that. We had the protest
28:17
Speaker 18: two days ago and again tomorrow in front of the
28:21
Speaker 18: US consulate. But we believe that only superpower can stop them,
28:26
Speaker 18: you know, superpower like us. They have plenty of you know,
28:30
Speaker 18: capabilities able to surround the region in the Middle East,
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Speaker 18: and the only language, the mologue we can talk to
28:39
Speaker 18: them is military, the only language they can understand.
28:42
Speaker 8: That's it.
28:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I respect strength, which which Donald Trump has
28:47
Speaker 2: portrayed at least.
28:50
Speaker 3: I want to ask you both.
28:51
Speaker 2: You've held a protest this week outside the US consulate,
28:56
Speaker 2: You're planning more tomorrow and this weekend, other protests. But
29:01
Speaker 2: how do you feel they've been supported by the wider community,
29:05
Speaker 2: Because when I look over the past couple of years,
29:08
Speaker 2: they've been thousands of people attending pro Palestinian marches, marching
29:13
Speaker 2: across the bridge how do you feel that your case
29:17
Speaker 2: and the human rights.
29:19
Speaker 3: Abuses that are happening in Iran have been received?
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Speaker 16: Actually, what wasn't mine?
29:23
Speaker 3: I was about to say, you said it.
29:27
Speaker 16: During the past two years, we have been seeing pro
29:31
Speaker 16: Palestinian marching in the street, and there was lots of campaign,
29:37
Speaker 16: university campaign around the world and they actually like supporting
29:44
Speaker 16: Palestinian people and they accusing the support genocide in Gaza
29:51
Speaker 16: by Israel's But the real genocide is happening now in
29:55
Speaker 16: Iran because the brutal regime in Iran, they're killing their
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Speaker 16: people in the darkened the silence. But what happened?
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Speaker 8: That's what question?
30:04
Speaker 16: Where are these support people? Where are the lefties? Where
30:08
Speaker 16: are the university? Why all the people are silent, not
30:14
Speaker 16: only in Australia but also around the board. So this
30:18
Speaker 16: is a real genocide happened, but I can't see anything.
30:23
Speaker 16: So it's very heartbroken for me. It's it's very hard
30:27
Speaker 16: and I'm asking this question is coming to Maiman. So
30:32
Speaker 16: where is the campaign, where's the university campaign? Where is
30:35
Speaker 16: the like Green Senates, Where is the other political men's
30:41
Speaker 16: in this country and westernce country to come and support
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Speaker 16: Iranian people? Because they're being killed in the country by
30:49
Speaker 16: the militia such as Kataib or Hyshoshabby. They do this
30:56
Speaker 16: regime explorted them from the Iraqi, from the Afghanistan or
31:00
Speaker 16: from the living and to outcome to kill their own people.
31:04
Speaker 16: But there's no voice out there.
31:06
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no march for humanity, there's no calls
31:09
Speaker 2: for boycotts for coming from university campuses money. Do you
31:12
Speaker 2: have an idea of why there might be the silence
31:16
Speaker 2: from the left or from the activist class.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, because as you might know that there is no
31:24
Speaker 18: you know, attraction from the mad from the people, there
31:28
Speaker 18: is no if they support it run as how they
31:31
Speaker 18: can get the votes, you know. But if they support
31:34
Speaker 18: pro Palestinian or if they waving some you know, Palestine
31:39
Speaker 18: or whatever flag, they can get votes.
31:41
Speaker 8: You know, they can some.
31:42
Speaker 18: Attraction by the proortorist groups around the board. In Australia.
31:47
Speaker 18: How come you know, in a in a.
31:51
Speaker 3: A few months ago we.
31:52
Speaker 18: Had a massive, massive protests on the iconic symbol of
31:57
Speaker 18: the Australia in Harbor Bridge. More than nk people you know,
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Speaker 18: chanting on the bridge and out bridge which is belonged
32:04
Speaker 18: to every Australian and chanting, you know, some useless words.
32:09
Speaker 18: And just in front the front line was a couple
32:14
Speaker 18: of politicians such as Bob Karr or Julian Assan or
32:18
Speaker 18: Senator Mahrine Farruri, and just behind them was a massive
32:24
Speaker 18: image of Ali Rahmani, dictator of Iran.
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Speaker 3: And they didn't know. And how does it make you
32:30
Speaker 3: feel to see that?
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Speaker 18: Very very disappointing, very very disappointing. I'm asking old Green
32:35
Speaker 18: senators such as David Shi Bridge, Mahrine Farruri, Iranians they
32:41
Speaker 18: are not human only gazing people. They are humans. Iranians
32:45
Speaker 18: are not humans.
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Speaker 9: What you are honest, if you're.
32:48
Speaker 18: Honest with yourself, if you're saying, oh we are for
32:52
Speaker 18: supporting human rights blah blah blah and using some useful
32:57
Speaker 18: idiots on the streets Iran, they are not human Iranian
33:02
Speaker 18: they are not humans. The guy which who's an inmate
33:08
Speaker 18: you were carrying us behind you now made the crime
33:12
Speaker 18: against humanity in Iran. You know, but you are not
33:15
Speaker 18: You are you know, blind and you are deaf.
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Speaker 8: That's is very very disappointing.
33:19
Speaker 2: I think there is a weird and incongruent relationship between
33:24
Speaker 2: the left and the hard left and radical Islam, and
33:27
Speaker 2: it's not being confronted.
33:29
Speaker 3: And that's why causes like yours are being ignored. But
33:31
Speaker 3: thank you for coming. Thank you so much and so
33:35
Speaker 3: passionately arguing the case. I hope your family and loved
33:38
Speaker 3: ones are all safe.
33:39
Speaker 8: Thank you, Thank you for having.
33:40
Speaker 3: Us still to come.
33:42
Speaker 2: Speaking of pro Palatine activists, they are vowing to defy
33:46
Speaker 2: a two week protest ban in their first major demonstration
33:50
Speaker 2: since the Bondi attacked tomorrow. That and more next with
33:53
Speaker 2: our panel. Let's get to our panel. Now joining me
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Speaker 2: tonight is Menzie's Research Centers Senior fellow Nick Cata and
34:04
Speaker 2: former Labor advisor Darren Barnett. Welcome, both gentlemen. Now, Pro
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Speaker 2: Palestine activists in Sydney have vowed to defy the protest
34:14
Speaker 2: ban put in place by the New Southwell's government by
34:16
Speaker 2: holding a demonstration tomorrow against its new hate speech laws
34:21
Speaker 2: and the impending visit as well of Israeli President Isaac Hertzog.
34:25
Speaker 2: The New Southwell's Police Assistant Commissioner Peter McKenna has told
34:28
Speaker 2: them to quote, give it a break.
34:31
Speaker 3: Nick. I think he's right, isn't he? Australians are sick
34:34
Speaker 3: of this.
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Speaker 1: Of course is he's spot on, but because they're angry.
34:39
Speaker 1: They're angry, of course, because they've been robbed of the
34:41
Speaker 1: moral high ground by the events at Bondi and they're
34:44
Speaker 1: determined to get it back. They're determined to test these regulations.
34:48
Speaker 1: They are determined to test the strength of will in
34:52
Speaker 1: the police force. Crucially, they want the police to carry
34:55
Speaker 1: into the background just to say did on October nine,
34:59
Speaker 1: shameful on October nine, twenty twenty three, the police must
35:04
Speaker 1: not do that. They must come out and apply it
35:06
Speaker 1: the full force of the law. These people have no protection.
35:09
Speaker 1: If they block traffic, interfere with public safety, block pavements,
35:14
Speaker 1: they can be arrested and they should be arrested. So
35:18
Speaker 1: if they're foolish enough to go ahead, let's hope we
35:20
Speaker 1: see some really robust police action for once.
35:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're referring, of course, to what happened outside the
35:26
Speaker 2: Sydney Opera House, those now infamous scenes of rioting. But Darren,
35:31
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly filled with confidence that police will take
35:34
Speaker 2: from action. I know they called a press conference today,
35:37
Speaker 2: but when the Assistant Commissioner was actually asked about whether
35:44
Speaker 2: people who said for example, globalize the Intifata would be arrested.
35:48
Speaker 3: He couldn't answer that clearly.
35:52
Speaker 7: Well, clearly if there are changes in the law, that
35:56
Speaker 7: would be reflected in what canon copy said. But this
35:58
Speaker 7: is a common sense test. This is you're not supposed
36:02
Speaker 7: to protest. There are good reasons for it, So don't protest,
36:05
Speaker 7: and if you do, then, as Nick rightly points out,
36:09
Speaker 7: the full force of the law should be brought down
36:11
Speaker 7: upon you. I think there's a bit of relevant deprivation
36:13
Speaker 7: going on for some of the organizers of the pro
36:17
Speaker 7: Palestine events, and they just want to be relevant again,
36:21
Speaker 7: and they don't care about the rules. They just want
36:23
Speaker 7: to be on TV. So let's try and give them
36:27
Speaker 7: minimal coverage, but also use the full force of the
36:30
Speaker 7: law if they decide to break the rules.
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Speaker 3: Look, I hope you're right. I hope they do use
36:34
Speaker 3: the full force of the law.
36:36
Speaker 2: I just you know, I guess the last two years
36:38
Speaker 2: hasn't filled me with a great deal of confidence about that.
36:43
Speaker 3: It's hope it's different tomorrow.
36:45
Speaker 7: The only thing to that, though, Caroline, I think this
36:47
Speaker 7: is a test for the government. They've put the new
36:50
Speaker 7: rules in place, they've held a press conference today everybody's
36:54
Speaker 7: watching that if they don't have a hard line on
36:58
Speaker 7: this tomorrow, it means that others who want to protest
37:01
Speaker 7: about whatever are not going to take these laws seriously.
37:04
Speaker 7: So it's a pretty important day for the government and
37:07
Speaker 7: it defending its decisions as well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, it is a test case, so I
37:12
Speaker 3: hope they pass it.
37:13
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Adelaide Festival's sensational backflip now on
37:17
Speaker 2: anti Israel academic runder abdel Fata. After disembting her from
37:22
Speaker 2: this year's right as we due to cultural sensitivity after
37:26
Speaker 2: the Bondi terror attack, it's now reinstated her invite for
37:29
Speaker 2: next year's event, since this year's has already canceled and
37:33
Speaker 2: issued her a groveling apology. Nick, what's your take on
37:37
Speaker 2: this whole sorry episode.
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Speaker 1: Well, for a brief few days, we thought they might
37:42
Speaker 1: be a writer's festival in Australia, free of lovies, free
37:46
Speaker 1: of free of all this nonsense, these presumptions they make
37:50
Speaker 1: that they know better than all of us about the
37:53
Speaker 1: world and have higher moral values than us. But of
37:56
Speaker 1: course the lovees were always going to fight back. This
37:58
Speaker 1: is their natural habitat. After all, they're going to fight
38:01
Speaker 1: tooth and nail for it, and they've done it. They've succeeded,
38:04
Speaker 1: they've won this back. But I think the whole point
38:07
Speaker 1: about this exercise is they've shown that really this is
38:10
Speaker 1: not about Palestine at all. It's about themselves. It's not
38:14
Speaker 1: about defining a new land, independent land of Palestine. It's
38:19
Speaker 1: about carving out the moral high ground for themselves. They're
38:22
Speaker 1: the ones who are the virtuous ones. They want to
38:25
Speaker 1: show us this by unthinkingly backing the Palestinian cause, the
38:29
Speaker 1: cognitive dissidence of people who can, on the one hand,
38:33
Speaker 1: back the me too movement and on the other hand,
38:35
Speaker 1: back the dreadful hamassed use of rape and sexual violence
38:40
Speaker 1: as a means to pursue their political ends. That doesn't
38:44
Speaker 1: seem to bother them, doesn't have to, because this is
38:46
Speaker 1: not about the details. It's about virtue signal.
38:49
Speaker 2: Darren, I'll get your take as well, because look, Nick's right,
38:53
Speaker 2: and what strikes me is so hypocritical is that you
38:57
Speaker 2: know they're framing this all as being about censorship and
39:01
Speaker 2: shutting down free speech and anti Palestinian racism, But it's
39:05
Speaker 2: not about that. One Iranian Australian autho came out today
39:09
Speaker 2: and said she didn't want to.
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Speaker 3: Do the boycott.
39:12
Speaker 2: And she has been just completely flooded with death threats
39:17
Speaker 2: and threats of boycotts on her book.
39:20
Speaker 3: And this isn't about free speech. She wanted to speak
39:23
Speaker 3: about what's happening in Iran.
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Speaker 7: Well, look, I think there's not going to be a
39:27
Speaker 7: writer's festival next year. The way they've handled it has
39:29
Speaker 7: been diabolical that any reasonable person would have figured out
39:34
Speaker 7: not to have the woman whose controversial views have been
39:39
Speaker 7: banned then reinstated. You don't have to be that bright
39:42
Speaker 7: to figure out that she shouldn't be part of that festival. Now,
39:46
Speaker 7: I'm probably different from you guys a little bit in
39:48
Speaker 7: the sense those who the writers who decided to not
39:52
Speaker 7: attend the event. I think that's as much a principle
39:57
Speaker 7: about censorship as it is about the top at hand.
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Speaker 2: But she wasn't being censored because of her critique of Israel.
40:04
Speaker 2: She was being told that it wouldn't be a good
40:07
Speaker 2: idea to have you here because of your.
40:09
Speaker 3: Comments whipping up hatred against Jews.
40:12
Speaker 7: Look, she shouldn't be there. But all I'm trying to
40:15
Speaker 7: do is just say that a lot of the writers
40:17
Speaker 7: who've withdrawn. I think they've done it as a matter
40:20
Speaker 7: of principle rather than the details themselves. I think no
40:24
Speaker 7: matter who had been banned that they would have done
40:27
Speaker 7: the same thing. And if they'd known more about Thomas
40:30
Speaker 7: Friedman being effectively banned two years ago, we probably would
40:34
Speaker 7: have had writers walk out on mass at that time
40:36
Speaker 7: as well.
40:37
Speaker 2: So you give them way too much credit, Darren. I'm sorry,
40:40
Speaker 2: just quickly, I'm going to get your view.
40:43
Speaker 3: Nick.
40:43
Speaker 2: The parents in Queensland are up in arms about the
40:46
Speaker 2: cost of uniforms. A blazer for one child at one
40:49
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty two dollars is in school uniforms, of course,
40:52
Speaker 2: Like I've got a kid that's start in kindergarten and
40:55
Speaker 2: I don't even want to think about how much I've
40:56
Speaker 2: had to spend on uniforms.
40:58
Speaker 3: But luckily I can't afford it.
41:00
Speaker 2: To have so many others managed to get by, I
41:02
Speaker 2: guess secondhand and hand me downs.
41:07
Speaker 1: Well, I hope there's assistance for people that really need it,
41:09
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of children living in poverty.
41:12
Speaker 1: I know this from the work I do with the
41:14
Speaker 1: charity out in Western Sydney. The numbers are incredible, but
41:17
Speaker 1: I do think we need to stick by uniforms and
41:20
Speaker 1: parents should feel a sense of pride in buying this
41:22
Speaker 1: for their kids. The kids should feel a sense of
41:25
Speaker 1: pride in wearing it. This is one thing I noticed
41:27
Speaker 1: in Cambodia more than thirty years ago, where NGOs insisted
41:31
Speaker 1: that there were school uniforms even in the midst of
41:34
Speaker 1: most unbelievable horror and poverty. And they did it because
41:37
Speaker 1: parents were proud about sending their kids to school and
41:40
Speaker 1: it engendered a great atmosphere. So I think uniforms are very,
41:43
Speaker 1: very important. But let's hope there is assistance for parents
41:48
Speaker 1: who struggled with the cost of living.
41:50
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I agree with you. Uniforms are important.
41:53
Speaker 2: I just wish they didn't cost hundreds, even thousands of
41:56
Speaker 2: dollars in some cases. Darren Barnett, Nick Cata, thank you
41:58
Speaker 2: both so much for your time. Still to come the
42:01
Speaker 2: extraordinary exchange between a US doctor and senator about.
42:05
Speaker 3: Whether men can get pregnant, That and more with our.
42:08
Speaker 2: Panel welcome back, Let's rip into it with my second
42:16
Speaker 2: panel for the night, former Labor MP Michael Danby and
42:19
Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Kosher Garda.
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Speaker 3: Thank you both for your time tonight.
42:24
Speaker 2: Let's start with Greenland, because talks between Denmark and the
42:28
Speaker 2: United States have broken.
42:29
Speaker 3: Down after a meeting with officials.
42:32
Speaker 2: Vice President j D Vance and Secretary of State Marco
42:36
Speaker 2: Rubio met with Denmark and Greenland's foreign ministers in Washington yesterday,
42:40
Speaker 2: and Danish minister Lars Rasmussen said a US takeover of
42:45
Speaker 2: the territory is totally unacceptable. Sweden, France, and Norway have
42:49
Speaker 2: also begun sending on forces to Greenland at Denmark's request.
42:53
Speaker 2: Kosher Trump, though, doesn't seem to be backing down on
42:56
Speaker 2: his quest to take over Greenland. He said the US
43:00
Speaker 2: needs it for national security.
43:04
Speaker 3: He is not backing down.
43:05
Speaker 19: I do think it's worth stepping back and just making
43:08
Speaker 19: note the Carolina of how far this discussion has come.
43:11
Speaker 19: He was signaling this and alluding to it in his
43:13
Speaker 19: first term and it was kind of considered a joke.
43:16
Speaker 3: A lot of people laughed at him for it.
43:18
Speaker 19: And now you have the leaders of Greenland and Denmark
43:21
Speaker 19: coming to DC to actually have discussions. Of course they've
43:23
Speaker 19: broken down. There's a lot of gap to close, but
43:26
Speaker 19: he is serious. We've come a long way from it
43:28
Speaker 19: being a joke to being a possibility and it could
43:31
Speaker 19: look like anything. I don't think conquering, though, that's a
43:34
Speaker 19: theoretical possibility, and those are the words that are coming
43:36
Speaker 19: out there. But from that all the way to something
43:38
Speaker 19: else on the spectrum, such as a protectorate having a
43:41
Speaker 19: direct defense agreement with Greenland. Outside of NATO, there's talks
43:46
Speaker 19: of purchasing Greenland. There's only fifty thousand residents, and that
43:49
Speaker 19: is something that the US Treasury is more than capable
43:52
Speaker 19: of offering them a handsome sum for that. And there
43:54
Speaker 19: is a history of purchasing nations in the past, including
43:57
Speaker 19: from Denmark. The US Virgin Islands were purchased for them
44:01
Speaker 19: earlier in the last century. So that's all on the table,
44:04
Speaker 19: and I think the world is watching because we haven't
44:06
Speaker 19: seen anything like this in quite some time.
44:07
Speaker 3: But he is very serious. Well, yeah, you're right.
44:10
Speaker 2: It did seem like a bit of a joke at
44:11
Speaker 2: the beginning, and Donald Trump Junior headed over there and
44:14
Speaker 2: filmed a little bit of footage and everyone was sort
44:17
Speaker 2: of laughing about it. But it's become very real. Look,
44:20
Speaker 2: I want to show you both this incredible exchange during
44:22
Speaker 2: a congressional hearing in the US on abortion pills. Doctor
44:26
Speaker 2: Nisha Burma is a senior advisor to Positions for Reproductive
44:31
Speaker 2: Health and have a look as she refuses to answer
44:34
Speaker 2: a simple question from Senator Josh Hawley, can men get pregnant?
44:41
Speaker 9: Do you think that men can get pregnant?
44:45
Speaker 13: I hesitated there because I wasn't sure where the conversation
44:48
Speaker 13: was going or what the goal was. I mean, I
44:50
Speaker 13: do take care of patients with different identities. I take
44:53
Speaker 13: care of many women. Yeah, I wasn't sure where you.
44:55
Speaker 8: Were going with that.
44:56
Speaker 9: Well, the goal is just the truth, so can men
44:58
Speaker 9: get pregnant?
45:00
Speaker 3: Again?
45:00
Speaker 13: The reason I paused there is I'm not really sure.
45:03
Speaker 16: What the goal of the question.
45:05
Speaker 1: Goal is is to establish a biological reality?
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Speaker 2: Michael, I mean I laughed because we've seen such similar
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Speaker 2: scenes here in Australia as well. Our own leaders and
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Speaker 2: public servants have struggle with what is a really straightforward question.
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Speaker 9: Too of Greenland. Just by coincidence, but.
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Speaker 20: That answer from that doctor is an example of the
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Speaker 20: politically correct madness that.
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Speaker 9: Gives so much weight to the Republicans.
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Speaker 20: Wasn't that the key ad that Donald Trump used in
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Speaker 20: the last elections that got him over the line in
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Speaker 20: some states?
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Speaker 9: Honestly, it began with JK.
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Speaker 4: Rowling.
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Speaker 20: It's been undone by that very famous hospital review in
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Speaker 20: the UK, and honestly it's got to stop. Let's get
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Speaker 20: back to talking real politics and have doctors talking about
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Speaker 20: issues that are important to public health.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, wouldn't that be nice?
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Speaker 2: I think it was the sex discrimination commissioner here who
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Speaker 2: couldn't under even answer what a biological mail was recently
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Speaker 2: or a man was. Look, let's go to Minneapolis now,
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Speaker 2: where officials say they are aware of reports of a
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Speaker 2: shooting involving federal law enforcement in the city.
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Speaker 3: In the past few hours.
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Speaker 2: More than two thousand federal agents have been deployed to
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Speaker 2: the city as anti ice protests Escalaid agents have used
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Speaker 2: tear gas and paper spray to deter confrontations with protesters
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Speaker 2: as a pushback continues following the death of Renee Good Kosho,
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us about this latest incident?
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Speaker 19: Yes, you know, I hate to see it, but this
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Speaker 19: is something that's inevitable. So it's another case of an
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Speaker 19: altercation that's happening from protesters that are either organic or
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Speaker 19: are being egged on by various jit prop groups because
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Speaker 19: this really is existential for their cause. And what the
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Speaker 19: illegal immigration industry really means for one side versus the other,
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Speaker 19: and I just think that there's nowhere else to go
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Speaker 19: from here. Unfortunately, this class is going to happen and
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Speaker 19: one side is going to win and the other will
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Speaker 19: not on this debate, and you are going to see
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Speaker 19: these types of incidents which don't look well optically for
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Speaker 19: the ICE agents because they're armed, they're going in, they're
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Speaker 19: doing a job. You see these individual people getting in trouble.
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Speaker 19: But that is just the cauldron that we're in right
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Speaker 19: now and it's just going to continue.
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Speaker 2: Michael, I want to quickly discuss with you, and they
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Speaker 2: have about a minute left. But British Home Secretary Shivanamahmud
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Speaker 2: has told the Parliament she has no confidence in the
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Speaker 2: West Midlands Police Chief and that's about a report into
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Speaker 2: a decision to ban Israeli fans from a soccer game
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Speaker 2: in the UK. Now, that was a shameful decision. Apparently
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Speaker 2: the report relied on AI and there was a fake
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Speaker 2: match that the AI used. But whatever the reason was,
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Speaker 2: Israeli fun should never have been banned because police couldn't
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Speaker 2: guarantee that they would be safe.
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Speaker 20: Sky News fran Pastor Christie's has now said that they've
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Speaker 20: admitted that it was AI the West Midlands Police. I
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Speaker 20: mean that bloke is a shocker. He should resign. And
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Speaker 20: the problem is, Caroline, it's all over the world. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 20: there are some security forces, police forces that seem to
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Speaker 20: have been affected by political correctness, by the woke mentality,
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Speaker 20: and they've just got to be taught a lesson. That
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Speaker 20: bloke has got to be sacked. And if there are
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Speaker 20: similar people here the same thing.
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Speaker 3: Yep, too right.
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Speaker 2: Michael Dani Koshergada, thanks for your time tonight and thank
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Speaker 2: you for your company at home. You'll see me right
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Speaker 2: here again tomorrow night at six The Bolt reports Deep Prices.
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