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- 0:00Speaker 0: Provided by Thomas Allgaier and Frennus, based on the most relevant posts on LinkedIn about M&A insights from CW-O-three and O-four, Frennus is a B-to-B market research company supporting M&A consultancies with the market and competition perspective, for example, in commercial due diligence.
- 0:18Speaker 1: Welcome back to the deep dive.
- 0:19Speaker 1: We've spent the last few days combing through all the noise on LinkedIn to really pull out the signal for M&A trends.
- 0:26Speaker 1: This is for weeks three and four of twenty twenty six.
- 0:29Speaker 0: And the signal is surprisingly loud this time around.
- 0:32Speaker 0: I mean, if you just looked at the headlines, you'd think we were in another boom.
- 0:35Speaker 0: Alistair Machette pointed out that Goldman Sachs alone advised on thirty-eight mega-deals.
- 0:40Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that.
- 0:41Speaker 1: Thirty-eight.
- 0:41Speaker 1: That's a massive volume of activity.
- 0:43Speaker 0: It is.
- 0:44Speaker 0: But the texture feels different.
- 0:46Speaker 1: It is different.
- 0:47Speaker 1: It's not that... You know, wild speculative frenzy we saw a few years back.
- 0:50Speaker 1: The real theme emerging isn't growth at all costs.
- 0:53Speaker 1: No.
- 0:53Speaker 1: It's discipline.
- 0:54Speaker 0: Exactly.
- 0:55Speaker 0: It feels like the market has sobered up a bit.
- 0:57Speaker 0: We're seeing all this rigorous discussion around deal mechanics, preparation, and, interestingly, a real human focus on what happens after the ink is dry.
- 1:06Speaker 1: Right.
- 1:06Speaker 1: So we basically clustered this into three themes for today.
- 1:09Speaker 1: First, deal discipline itself.
- 1:11Speaker 0: Then, preparation and strategy, how you source deals.
- 1:14Speaker 1: And finally, the one that always gets overlooked.
- 1:17Speaker 1: people and culture.
- 1:19Speaker 0: Plus, we have to touch on some huge sector shifts.
- 1:22Speaker 0: I mean, what's happening in fintech and biotech?
- 1:25Speaker 0: It paints a very clear picture of where the money is actually moving.
- 1:28Speaker 1: It does.
- 1:29Speaker 1: And that really explains why all this discipline is so necessary.
- 1:33Speaker 1: But let's start where the rubber meets the road.
- 1:37Speaker 1: Deal discipline.
- 1:38Speaker 0: Right.
- 1:38Speaker 0: And you can't get more fundamental than this quote from Bill Monroe.
- 1:42Speaker 0: I feel like every dealmaker knows it, but they forget it.
- 1:44Speaker 0: He just said, Time kills all deals.
- 1:47Speaker 1: It's the oldest rule in the book, isn't it?
- 1:49Speaker 1: The fact he felt the need to post it again tells you people are still getting it wrong.
- 1:53Speaker 0: So his point is that motivation, it's a perishable resource.
- 1:56Speaker 1: It is.
- 1:56Speaker 1: You have this peak momentum right when the commercial terms are agreed.
- 1:59Speaker 1: If you let that bleed away while lawyers fight over syntax, you're just inviting disaster.
- 2:06Speaker 0: It's that classic fight, isn't it?
- 2:07Speaker 0: Commercial intent versus legal protection.
- 2:11Speaker 0: Monroe's advice seems so obvious.
- 2:14Speaker 0: Agree on the commercials upfront, lock them down, then let the lawyers in.
- 2:18Speaker 1: Obvious.
- 2:19Speaker 1: But it rarely happens.
- 2:21Speaker 1: And the legal review just reopens the commercial points.
- 2:24Speaker 1: And that's where the deal dies.
- 2:26Speaker 0: It's not just speed, it's about signaling.
- 2:28Speaker 1: Yes.
- 2:28Speaker 1: Which brings us to one of the best tactical anecdotes I've seen in a while.
- 2:33Speaker 1: From David Edgar.
- 2:35Speaker 1: The luggage tactic.
- 2:36Speaker 0: I loved this.
- 2:37Speaker 0: It's such a simple... psychological power move.
- 2:41Speaker 1: It really is.
- 2:41Speaker 1: So for anyone who missed it, he basically says, you should never bring your bags to the negotiation room.
- 2:46Speaker 0: Because luggage is a clock.
- 2:48Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 2:49Speaker 1: If I see your suitcase, I know you have a flight to catch at six p.m.
- 2:52Speaker 1: I know your deadline.
- 2:53Speaker 0: So I'm just gonna stall.
- 2:54Speaker 0: I'll wait until five fifteen to bring up the really tough points knowing you'll probably just cave to make your flight.
- 2:59Speaker 1: It hands all the leverage to the other side.
- 3:01Speaker 1: Edgar told the story where he did this.
- 3:04Speaker 1: He deliberately left his bags at the hotel.
- 3:06Speaker 0: So he looked like he had nowhere to be.
- 3:08Speaker 1: Right.
- 3:08Speaker 1: And he forced a late night session.
- 3:11Speaker 1: The punchline was that the lawyers were furious because they missed dinner, but their CEO just wanted it done.
- 3:17Speaker 1: He forced the close by removing that signal of time pressure.
- 3:21Speaker 0: A great reminder that negotiation is as much theater as it is finance.
- 3:25Speaker 1: Speaking of finance, we should talk about earnouts.
- 3:28Speaker 1: Because, you know, if you're a seller right now, the data suggests you should probably run the other way.
- 3:33Speaker 0: Yeah, Adam Johannen had a pretty grim take on this, especially in the lower middle market.
- 3:37Speaker 1: It stood out to me because earnouts are always pitched as the solution, right?
- 3:42Speaker 1: The bridge between what a buyer and seller think a company is worth.
- 3:46Speaker 0: But Johannen is saying that bridge is collapsing.
- 3:48Speaker 1: It's collapsing because of control.
- 3:50Speaker 1: His whole argument is that sellers are realizing they just rarely get paid.
- 3:56Speaker 1: Once you sell, the buyer has the keys.
- 3:58Speaker 0: They control the accounting, the strategy, the costs.
- 4:01Speaker 1: And It is incredibly easy for them to legally massage the P&L to make sure those earn-out targets get missed.
- 4:08Speaker 0: A bit of strategic cost reallocation.
- 4:10Speaker 1: You could call it that.
- 4:12Speaker 1: But the real insight here is that sellers are getting wise to it.
- 4:16Speaker 1: They're trading a higher valuation for certainty.
- 4:19Speaker 1: They'd rather take a lower guaranteed cash payment at close.
- 4:22Speaker 1: Then
- 4:22Speaker 0: a lottery ticket three years from now.
- 4:24Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 4:25Speaker 1: And that desire for real, tangible cash brings us straight to EBITDA.
- 4:31Speaker 1: Professor Joe Omahoney raised a really important point about the quality of EBITDA.
- 4:34Speaker 1: Right.
- 4:35Speaker 0: Not all EBITDA is created equal.
- 4:37Speaker 1: It's a critical distinction.
- 4:39Speaker 1: You can have great EBITDA on paper, but if that profit isn't accessible, if it's not converting to cash,
- 4:44Speaker 0: it's not that valuable.
- 4:46Speaker 0: Oh, Mahoney says, the key metric now is cash conversion.
- 4:49Speaker 0: What actually lands in the bank after tax, VAT, everything else?
- 4:53Speaker 1: And he gave a specific number.
- 4:54Speaker 1: He said, greater than ninety percent cash conversion is the new gold standard.
- 4:58Speaker 0: Which is a high bar.
- 4:59Speaker 1: It is.
- 5:00Speaker 1: But it reflects the cost of capital.
- 5:01Speaker 1: Buyers need cash flow to service the debt they just used to buy you.
- 5:05Speaker 0: And on top of that, Alistair Robertson added another layer about adjusted EBITDA.
- 5:09Speaker 1: Oh, the adjusted game.
- 5:10Speaker 1: If we ignore all the bad stuff, we made a fortune.
- 5:13Speaker 0: Robertson's warning is that it's getting out of hand.
- 5:16Speaker 0: You can't adjust for everything.
- 5:17Speaker 0: You lose credibility.
- 5:18Speaker 1: Adjustments are for exceptional items.
- 5:20Speaker 1: A lawsuit.
- 5:21Speaker 1: A one-off restructuring.
- 5:23Speaker 1: Not normal trading costs.
- 5:25Speaker 0: If a buyer sees adjusted EBITDA is double the actual profit, they don't see potential.
- 5:31Speaker 0: They see fake numbers.
- 5:32Speaker 1: It's just a road's trust.
- 5:34Speaker 1: But there is one area where you can find real hidden value.
- 5:38Speaker 1: Mert Erkin pointed out that supply chain synergies are often completely overlooked.
- 5:42Speaker 0: And he said they can drive up to thirty five percent EBITDA growth.
- 5:46Speaker 1: Which is huge.
- 5:47Speaker 1: Deal teams always focus on sales synergies, you know, cross-selling, but procurement and supply chain efficiencies.
- 5:54Speaker 1: Those are tangible.
- 5:55Speaker 1: That drops straight to the bottom line.
- 5:56Speaker 0: Much safer bet.
- 5:57Speaker 0: Okay, so let's shift gears.
- 5:58Speaker 0: Preparation and strategy.
- 6:00Speaker 0: If you're a buyer, how are you finding targets in this disciplined market?
- 6:03Speaker 1: Well, Patrick Bauer compares to defining a needle in a haystack.
- 6:06Speaker 1: He makes a key distinction.
- 6:09Speaker 1: The bottleneck isn't money.
- 6:10Speaker 0: There's plenty in dry powder out there.
- 6:12Speaker 1: The bottleneck is visibility.
- 6:14Speaker 1: It's finding that target before everyone else does.
- 6:17Speaker 1: So Bauer argues for structure and signals.
- 6:20Speaker 1: You have to monitor for triggers, hiring waves, new products.
- 6:24Speaker 0: So it's about proactive sourcing, not just reactive bidding when a company hits the market.
- 6:29Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 6:30Speaker 1: Which is a point Kisan Patel also made.
- 6:32Speaker 1: He says M&A shouldn't be a break glass in case of emergency move.
- 6:36Speaker 1: The
- 6:36Speaker 0: growth panic trap.
- 6:38Speaker 0: Right.
- 6:38Speaker 1: Your organic growth stalls, the board panics and says, go buy something.
- 6:43Speaker 1: Patel warns that's the worst time to buy.
- 6:45Speaker 1: You're just patching a hole, not executing a strategy.
- 6:48Speaker 0: And from the seller side, if you do decide to sell, indecision is just lethal.
- 6:51Speaker 0: Alice in Dent had a strong warning about on-again, off-again deals.
- 6:55Speaker 1: Well, we see this all the time.
- 6:57Speaker 1: A founder tests the market, gets cold feet, pauses.
- 6:59Speaker 0: And she says value doesn't pause.
- 7:01Speaker 0: It rots.
- 7:02Speaker 0: Buyers lose conviction.
- 7:03Speaker 0: They assume something's wrong.
- 7:04Speaker 1: Right.
- 7:04Speaker 1: And sticking with the process, George S. Markakis had a very tactical piece of advice for the data room.
- 7:10Speaker 1: He calls it this staged approach.
- 7:12Speaker 0: This seems like basic risk management, but so many sellers ignore it.
- 7:16Speaker 1: They do.
- 7:16Speaker 1: In their eagerness, they go open Kimono on day one.
- 7:20Speaker 1: They put their entire customer list, contact snull, in the data room before an LOI is even signed.
- 7:26Speaker 0: So if the deal falls through, you've just handed your competitor your client list.
- 7:30Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 7:31Speaker 1: And it gives them leverage to retrade you later to drop the price.
- 7:35Speaker 1: His advice is simple.
- 7:36Speaker 1: Hold back the crown jewels until the very last stage.
- 7:40Speaker 0: Speaking of secrets, Alfred D. Nader's post on the signs your company is being sold was
- 7:44Speaker 1: hilarious.
- 7:45Speaker 1: Painfully accurate.
- 7:46Speaker 0: The one that got me was nonsensical hires.
- 7:50Speaker 0: Suddenly you're filling empty boxes on the org chart just to look complete for a buyer.
- 7:54Speaker 1: Or the sudden... Urgent request from finance for five years of historical data that no one has ever cared about before.
- 8:01Speaker 0: And the calendar invites all those private meetings.
- 8:04Speaker 1: Strategic review, yeah.
- 8:05Speaker 1: If you see those, you're being sold, which actually segues perfectly into our third theme, people and culture.
- 8:13Speaker 0: Because while the execs are in their strategic review, the staff is going through what David Lansfield calls organizational grief.
- 8:19Speaker 1: Grief is a strong word, but when you read his analysis, it's the right one.
- 8:23Speaker 0: It makes sense.
- 8:24Speaker 0: Employees are mourning the loss of the future they had imagined for themselves at that company.
- 8:29Speaker 1: And it's not just an emotional issue.
- 8:31Speaker 1: It's a productivity one.
- 8:33Speaker 1: He says productivity can drop by twenty-five to thirty percent during that grieving period.
- 8:38Speaker 0: That's value being destroyed in real time.
- 8:42Speaker 0: And it's not just the junior staff.
- 8:44Speaker 0: Anirvan Sen pointed out that leadership exits often happen for the wrong reasons.
- 8:48Speaker 1: The misinterpreted signal problem.
- 8:51Speaker 1: Senior leaders hear rumors, or they just get silence from the acquirer, and they assume the worst.
- 8:56Speaker 0: So they resign.
- 8:57Speaker 1: They resigned before the deal even closes.
- 8:59Speaker 1: But the tragedy is, the buyer often wanted them.
- 9:02Speaker 1: They were part of the investment thesis.
- 9:04Speaker 1: The communication just failed.
- 9:05Speaker 0: So how do you
- 9:06Speaker 1: fix that?
- 9:07Speaker 0: Thomas H. Kessler suggests looking beyond the C-suite.
- 9:10Speaker 0: He says the key is the extended leadership team.
- 9:13Speaker 1: The ELT, yes.
- 9:14Speaker 1: VPs, directors, country heads.
- 9:17Speaker 1: the people who actually run the company.
- 9:18Speaker 0: And his point is that most integrations fail because the ELT is just briefed on a plan.
- 9:23Speaker 0: They aren't part of creating it.
- 9:25Speaker 0: Right.
- 9:25Speaker 1: Briefings create compliance, co-creation creates ownership.
- 9:29Speaker 1: If they feel like it's their integration, it works.
- 9:32Speaker 0: And before we move on, Frank Akila had a great piece of advice for everyone listening.
- 9:37Speaker 0: Treat your career like a deal.
- 9:39Speaker 1: I really like this framing.
- 9:41Speaker 1: We do so much due diligence on companies, but when we change jobs, we often just look at the salary bump.
- 9:46Speaker 0: The premium.
- 9:47Speaker 1: Akila's advice is to do full DD on your own career moves.
- 9:51Speaker 1: Check the culture fit, the integration risk.
- 9:54Speaker 0: Sage advice.
- 9:56Speaker 0: Okay, let's hit these sector shifts because some of these are massive signals.
- 10:00Speaker 1: Let's start with FinTech.
- 10:02Speaker 1: The headline here is Capital One acquiring Brex for five point one five billion dollars.
- 10:08Speaker 1: Sam Bowie have flagged this.
- 10:10Speaker 0: It feels like a watershed moment, doesn't it?
- 10:12Speaker 0: The whole narrative was that FinTechs were going to kill the big banks.
- 10:14Speaker 1: And now a big bank is buying one of the biggest disruptors.
- 10:17Speaker 1: It's the maturation of the cycle.
- 10:19Speaker 0: The banks realize they can't innovate that fast internally.
- 10:23Speaker 0: So
- 10:23Speaker 1: they're using their balance sheet to buy modernization.
- 10:26Speaker 1: The disruptors are becoming the R&D departments for the incumbents.
- 10:28Speaker 1: We're
- 10:29Speaker 0: seeing a similar buying the future trend in tech more broadly.
- 10:32Speaker 0: Nicholas Babin talked about a shift from buying structures to buying intelligence.
- 10:37Speaker 1: It's the evolution.
- 10:38Speaker 1: they acquire higher.
- 10:39Speaker 1: Companies aren't buying revenue.
- 10:41Speaker 1: They're buying algorithms, data sets, machine learning teams.
- 10:44Speaker 0: The value is in the IP.
- 10:45Speaker 0: And Hurwigsbringer backs this up for software saying buyers pay for roadmap
- 10:50Speaker 1: fit.
- 10:50Speaker 1: It's the build versus buy calculation.
- 10:53Speaker 1: If a startup plugs a hole in your product roadmap, they're worth a premium because they save you eighteen months of development time.
- 11:01Speaker 1: You're buying speed.
- 11:02Speaker 0: And finally, in biotech, Dr.
- 11:05Speaker 0: Yenpo Chin had a fascinating take on deal timelines.
- 11:09Speaker 0: He says it's all about conviction.
- 11:11Speaker 1: This was a really nuanced point.
- 11:13Speaker 1: In pharma, you can't rush a deal.
- 11:15Speaker 1: The buyer needs months to build scientific conviction that a drug actually works.
- 11:20Speaker 0: But the paradox is, once they have that conviction, the deal closes in days.
- 11:24Speaker 1: Right.
- 11:25Speaker 1: So as a seller, you can't run a normal auction.
- 11:27Speaker 1: You have to nurture that conviction over time.
- 11:30Speaker 1: The winner isn't the highest bidder.
- 11:32Speaker 1: It's the one who achieved conviction first.
- 11:34Speaker 1: It
- 11:34Speaker 0: all comes back to that central theme, doesn't it?
- 11:36Speaker 0: Discipline.
- 11:36Speaker 0: That's
- 11:37Speaker 1: the verdict from the market for early twenty-twenty-six.
- 11:39Speaker 1: The discipline to wait, to verify, to integrate properly.
- 11:43Speaker 0: So looking ahead... What's the sentiment?
- 11:45Speaker 0: We heard from Daniel Friedman, Venus Kennedy, Chris Irwin.
- 11:50Speaker 0: Are we bullish?
- 11:51Speaker 1: I'd say the consensus is cautious optimism.
- 11:55Speaker 1: The capital is there.
- 11:56Speaker 1: Rates have stabilized.
- 11:58Speaker 1: But the party days are over.
- 11:59Speaker 0: Chris Irwin put it best.
- 12:00Speaker 0: The growth at all costs era is dead.
- 12:03Speaker 1: It's dead.
- 12:04Speaker 1: Now it's about disciplined KPIs.
- 12:06Speaker 1: Buyers are selective.
- 12:07Speaker 1: They want profitability.
- 12:08Speaker 1: They want logic.
- 12:09Speaker 1: They want real integration plans.
- 12:11Speaker 0: Less gambling, more chess.
- 12:13Speaker 0: That's
- 12:13Speaker 1: the mood.
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- 12:21Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.
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- 12:25Speaker 1: See
- 12:25Speaker 0: you next time.