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Sharri | 19 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight, Matt Canavan will make a controversial announcement
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Speaker 2: exclusively on My show. It'll set the agenda and put
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberonizi under pressure. You don't want to miss this
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Speaker 2: in just a moment. Also in the show, diesel has
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Speaker 2: run out at eighty petrol stations across New South Wales
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Speaker 2: and nearly forty have completely run out of fuel. It's
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Speaker 2: a similar situation around the country, yet the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: claims there's no shortitch. I'll talk about this farcical situation shortly.
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Speaker 2: Plus the resistance movement inside Tulsy Gabbard's Directorate of National Intelligence.
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Speaker 2: Just one day after he quit Trump's team, the nobody
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Speaker 2: Joe Kent popped up on Tucker Carlson to blame Jewish
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Speaker 2: groups for driving.
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Speaker 3: The Iran war.
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Speaker 2: More on this later with Tom Slater and and co
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Speaker 2: founders have dropped out of the list of the richest Australians.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak with the editor of the Rich List, who'll
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Speaker 2: give us a sneak peek into.
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Speaker 3: Who's on and who's off.
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Speaker 2: States For first tonight, oil prices have topped one hundred
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Speaker 2: and ten dollars us a barrel, and multiple service stations
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Speaker 2: are shut after running out of fuel, Yet Albanesi continues
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Speaker 2: to insist there's no supply issue and this is simply
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Speaker 2: a case of panic buying.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: Diesel has run out at eighty pegil stations across New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, and half of those are out of fuel entirely.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just in regional areas. The Daily Telegraphs
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Speaker 2: spoke with nine service station retailers in western and north
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Speaker 2: West Sydney which have completely run out of fuel. It's
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Speaker 2: a similar situation across the country, particularly in regional areas.
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Speaker 2: Drivers are taking jerry cans to service station because they're
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Speaker 2: so worried. But this has the effective hoarding fuel. This
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Speaker 2: is why rationing was a sensible idea. I mean, we've
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Speaker 2: been speaking about it here for a couple of weeks now,
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Speaker 2: but the Prime Minister won't do it, and he won't
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Speaker 2: cut the fuel excise either. This is only gonna get
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Speaker 2: worse in the short term. Oil price has reached one
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Speaker 2: hundred and ten USI barrel after strikes on Iranian energy sites.
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Speaker 2: These strikes by Israel were in retaliation for Iran stopping
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Speaker 2: international shipping in the Strait of Holmus will around then
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Speaker 2: hit a large Katari LNG plant with ballistic missiles. Four
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Speaker 2: of the five were intercepted. The IIGC also fired five
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Speaker 2: drones at Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure in realt And the
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Speaker 2: Saudi foreign Minister says what little trust there was with
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Speaker 2: Iran has now gone and the Arab nations want President
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Speaker 2: Trump to defeat Iran. Meanwhile, the Albertezy government, along with
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Speaker 2: fifteen nations have signed a statement formally condemning Iran over
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Speaker 2: its attacks on oil shipping in the Strait of hor Moos.
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Speaker 2: The statement comes eighteen days into the war. It says
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Speaker 2: this Australia condemns Iran's dangerous escalations in the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: particularly in and around the Strait of hor Moos, its
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Speaker 2: attacks against merchant vessels and threats of further attacks. In
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Speaker 2: doing so, Iran has transformed one of the world's most
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Speaker 2: critical shipping lanes into a theater of coercion and conflict.
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Speaker 2: This disruption has triggered severe global energy shocks, causing oil
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Speaker 2: and fuel prices to search. Now that's a world welcome statement, sure,
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Speaker 2: but it's laughable. Trump is sending powerful five thousand pounds
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Speaker 2: bunker buster bombs to target underwater and underground Iranian missile
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Speaker 2: sites near the Strait of hor Moose, and those bunker
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Speaker 2: buster bombs will now increasingly be used to target deep
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Speaker 2: underground military Iranian sites. So he's sending the bunker buster bombs,
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Speaker 2: and all the Allies can do is send a statement
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Speaker 2: not sending ships to help keep open the waterway, which
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Speaker 2: is all that the US is asking for.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure the IIGC.
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Speaker 2: Is quaking in their boots at a statement signed by Australia,
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Speaker 2: and it's already been proven worthless because of the escalation. Overnight,
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Speaker 2: Israel hit the South Pass gas field as a message
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Speaker 2: to Tehran over blocking the Strait of Hormos.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal at first re it that Trump
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Speaker 2: could be open to targeting more Iranian energy facilities if
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Speaker 2: it keeps blocking the straight and Trump then said as
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Speaker 2: much in a pretty threatening social media post that I'll
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Speaker 2: read you a bit later in the show.
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Speaker 3: But the point is, you.
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Speaker 2: Don't cower and retreat in the face of global bullies
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Speaker 2: like Iran.
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Speaker 3: You take them on.
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Speaker 2: Peace through strength is a Reagan era maxim that both
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Speaker 2: Trump and Nedinya, who follow Iran is now threatening the
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Speaker 2: entire world after this action and its threats like this
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Speaker 2: that show exactly why the war is necessary. Imagine how
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Speaker 2: Iran would use a nuclear bomb if they had one.
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Speaker 2: It's already using cluster warheads, which is where the bomb
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Speaker 2: split into dozens of mini bombs with devastating consequences. Now,
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Speaker 2: critics of Trump claimed that he didn't see this coming,
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Speaker 2: that Iran would block the Strait of Hormus. Well, that's nonsense,
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Speaker 2: as even the anti war crusader who doubles as the
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Speaker 2: Director of National Intelligence, Tulsey Gabbard, pointed out today.
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Speaker 1: This has long been an assessment of the IC that
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Speaker 1: Iran would likely hold the Strait of Hormuz as leverage.
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Speaker 6: My question is was that communicated to the president in the.
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Speaker 1: Lead because of that long standing assessment that the IC
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Speaker 1: has continued to report that the Department of War took
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Speaker 1: the preemptive planning measures that it did.
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Speaker 2: There's immense public criticism of Trump for deciding to take
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Speaker 2: on the terror regime of Iran and destroy their nuclear
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Speaker 2: ambitions militarily instead of giving them billions of dollars again
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Speaker 2: like Obama did. There's also massive criticism of Trump for
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Speaker 2: taking too long to finish the war. Everyone needs a
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Speaker 2: reality check. The wall's only been going for eighteen days.
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Speaker 2: Very few lives have been lost, say for those at
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Speaker 2: the top of the Iranian regime, which has been decimated.
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Speaker 2: The US and Israel are having incredible success.
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Speaker 3: In a very short period of time.
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Speaker 2: He is Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller from the
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Speaker 2: White House trying to explain this to a skeptical Fox
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Speaker 2: News host today.
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Speaker 7: This is a conflict that has only days long. The
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Speaker 7: United States has achieved its objectives even faster than anybody
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Speaker 7: thought possible. So you're talking about what would normally be
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Speaker 7: considered a monster even years to achieve these military objectives.
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Speaker 7: Instead have been achieved in a matter of days. Because
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Speaker 7: under the leadership of President Trump, and then of course
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Speaker 7: with Secretary Hanks's in the Department of War, we are
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Speaker 7: not fighting a politically correct battle. The leadership of this
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Speaker 7: regime has been completely decapitated and obliterated. We have seen
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Speaker 7: the IRGC dealt one humiliating blow after another. Their navy
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Speaker 7: is in the bottom of the ocean, their air force
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Speaker 7: is in rubble. The United States military is laying waste
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Speaker 7: to targets all across the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 2: And when she was still skeptical, Stephen Miller went even hata.
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Speaker 7: The IRGC has been crushed. Their leadership is dying, their
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Speaker 7: ability to project their power is waning by the day.
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Speaker 7: Their command structure is being ripped apart, their infrastructure is
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Speaker 7: being steadily eroded. They are being turned into a weaker
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Speaker 7: and weaker and weaker power every single day. That is
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Speaker 7: the story that needs to get told, Laura.
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Speaker 2: And here is the full list of senior Iranian leaders
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Speaker 2: who've now been taken out. The head of intelligence, Eshmeo Katib,
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Speaker 2: what's the latest confirmed eliminated during our show last night.
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Speaker 2: There are also dangers of withdrawing from Iran too soon,
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Speaker 2: namely that it'll give Iran a chance to rebuild again.
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Speaker 2: This is a point Tulsi Gabbard conceded today, and she'd
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Speaker 2: a prediction for what would happen if the IIGC survives
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Speaker 2: the war.
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Speaker 1: The ICSS says that if a hostile regime survives, it
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Speaker 1: will likely seek to begin a year's long effort to
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Speaker 1: rebuild its military, missiles and UAV forces.
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Speaker 2: But as we've been discussing, the war has unquestionably impacted
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Speaker 2: on fuel and diesel prices and supply, even if it's
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Speaker 2: only because of panic buying. Albanezi says Australia needs to
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Speaker 2: be more self reliant.
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Speaker 8: For Australia to compete, succeed and prosper in this decade,
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Speaker 8: we have to upgrade to a new economic model. We
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Speaker 8: have to build an economy that is more resilient, more
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Speaker 8: self reliant and geared to our national strengths.
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Speaker 2: So he's saying self reliance is the key, but does
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Speaker 2: he really mean it, because tonight on my show, Matt
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Speaker 2: Canavant will exclusively tell us that he is demanding calls
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Speaker 2: to mine the great Australian bite for oil. I've done
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Speaker 2: the interview with Matt just in the last forty minutes
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Speaker 2: and here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 3: It's a huge call. Have a look.
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Speaker 6: Well, I'm going to Adelaide tomorrow and I'll be standing
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Speaker 6: up with Susan McDonald, our Resources minister, and the ESA
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Speaker 6: Nats who are running at this election on Saturday and
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Speaker 6: saying well let's drill it again. Now it's time, let's
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Speaker 6: get back to it. Maybe we'll need some government investment
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Speaker 6: at first. We clearly understand now that the world is
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Speaker 6: run by fossil fuels.
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Speaker 2: He wants to mine the great Australian bite for oil
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Speaker 2: so that Australia will be self reliant, won't be relying
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Speaker 2: on important fuel and my exclusive interview with Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: is coming up in just a moment. Canavan has also
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Speaker 2: spoken this week about the need to join the US
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Speaker 2: in Israel in trying to secure our own shipments through
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Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormuz because, as you know, currently the
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Speaker 2: Allies are refusing to help the United States, even though
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Speaker 2: only two percent of America's oil actually comes through the
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Speaker 2: Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 3: Again, Stephen Miller pointed this out.
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Speaker 7: The rest of the world depends on traffic through the
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Speaker 7: Strait of Hormuz, not the United States.
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Speaker 2: So we're talked about Canavan a bit more about that later,
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Speaker 2: But the Allies are all weak and scared. Albanezi isn't
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Speaker 2: the worst, but he's among it. He ordered Australian naval
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Speaker 2: officers back to their bunkers instead of helping to torpedo
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Speaker 2: an Iranian warship. He sent military equipment only for defensive purposes.
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Speaker 3: No, of course, not to.
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Speaker 2: Help America or Israel, but only to defend the UAE. Furthermore,
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Speaker 2: albaniz in one keep calling for de escalation again, that's laughable.
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Speaker 2: They need to remember that Iran has committed terror attacks
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Speaker 2: on Australian soil just in the past year. Now, the
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Speaker 2: NATO General Secretary Mark Rutta agrees something has to be done.
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Speaker 9: When it comes to the strator from MUSS. I've been
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Speaker 9: in contact with as many allies. We all agree, of course,
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Speaker 9: that strait has to open up again. And what I
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Speaker 9: know is that allies are working together discussing how to
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Speaker 9: do that, what is the best way to do it.
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Speaker 9: They're working on that collectively to find a way forward.
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Speaker 2: No doubt they'll continue with their handwringing while they decide
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Speaker 2: what they're prepared to do. At this time, more than
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Speaker 2: any other went up against adversaries like Russia and Iran,
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Speaker 2: because we know Russia's helping Iran. The allies need to
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Speaker 2: stand together, not with statements and press releases, but with
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Speaker 2: defiance and deterrence.
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Speaker 3: Well, as I just.
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Speaker 2: Mentioned, the Prime Minister says Australia needs to be more
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Speaker 2: self reliant, but is he serious about it? One man
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Speaker 2: who clearly is is the Nationals leader Matt Canavan, and
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Speaker 2: he's revealing exclusively here that he's calling for the Great
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Speaker 2: Australian Bite to be mined for oil. I spoke with
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Speaker 2: him in the last hour and here's our interview.
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, great to see you.
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Speaker 2: This graph published in the Finn Review shows that Australia
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Speaker 2: has the fewest days of oil stockpiles out of some
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Speaker 2: fifty countries, and this is by some margin. Australia is
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Speaker 2: right at the bottom of the list. So, Matt, do
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Speaker 2: you think we now need to look at new drilling sites.
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Speaker 6: Look, I think it's always much better to have a
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Speaker 6: tap that flows than just more bark tubs. And so
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Speaker 6: if we have more oil production, well, it doesn't really
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Speaker 6: matter how much stockpiles we have, We're always going to
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Speaker 6: be able to fill them up. The principal problem here
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Speaker 6: is not the number of refineries where we have. It's
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Speaker 6: that the boats the tank is bringing in the crew product,
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Speaker 6: the raw product, potentially could be interrupted in the weeks ahead.
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Speaker 5: And if that's the.
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Speaker 6: Case, I do worry about what it means for our country.
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Speaker 6: The tough decisions we're going to have to make about
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Speaker 6: whose use of fuel.
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Speaker 5: Is more importance.
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Speaker 6: Now, we should have done this years ago, and I'm
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Speaker 6: not going to cop lectures from the ABC and other
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Speaker 6: left wing media outlets who are now asking me and others.
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Speaker 5: Well, why didn't you do more before? Well, these groups, chari.
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Speaker 6: These groups have been working as a keba of labor,
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Speaker 6: environmental groups, offshore funded off as, overseas funded activist groups,
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Speaker 6: and left wing media outlets to stop all types of
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Speaker 6: oil and gas production. I've been banging the drum for the
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Speaker 6: last decade that we need.
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Speaker 5: More fossil fuels, we need more coal, we need more oil,
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Speaker 5: we need more gas.
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Speaker 6: I've wanted to drill the Australian coastrain bite, were to
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Speaker 6: open up the Beeloo Basin, would explore the Canning Basin,
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Speaker 6: and every step of the way the left wing activists
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Speaker 6: are saying are saying no, no, we can ban fossil fuels. Well,
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Speaker 6: now they're asking the question, how come I can't fill
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Speaker 6: up my range drover? So we all know who's to
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Speaker 6: blame here and if we're going to have a wake
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Speaker 6: up call, which should just get back to drill, baby drill.
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Speaker 3: All right?
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Speaker 2: So on that point, drill baby drill, I mean you
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Speaker 2: mentioned a couple of locations there the Great Australian bite.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this location off the South Australian coast
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Speaker 2: should be drilled?
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Speaker 6: Well, look, thirteen wells have been drilled there before.
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Speaker 5: They've all been done safely.
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Speaker 6: There's a lot of There was a lot of commercial
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Speaker 6: interest in it on the based on the results of
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Speaker 6: those drill drillings. About ten years ago, we had both
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Speaker 6: BP and the Norwegian state oil company Equinor interested in
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Speaker 6: developing these areas, and as Resources Minister, I fully supported that. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 6: those green activist campaigns I mentioned scared those entities off
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Speaker 6: and both of them left twenty twenty, both of them
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Speaker 6: were gone. Well, I'm going to Adelaide tomorrow and I'll
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Speaker 6: be standing up with Susan McDonald, our Resources minister, and
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Speaker 6: the SA nats who are running at this election on Saturday,
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Speaker 6: and saying, well, let's drill it again. Now it's time.
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Speaker 6: Let's get back to it. Maybe we'll need some government
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Speaker 6: investment at first to open up opportunities, because those international investors,
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Speaker 6: those oil and gas companies are pretty bruised from their
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Speaker 6: experience with the green activists. But let's get it going.
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Speaker 6: We've had this wake up, Paul. Hopefully it might end
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Speaker 6: up being a close shave. But even if that is
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Speaker 6: the case, we clearly understand now that the world is
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Speaker 6: run by fossil fuels. No one out there, Shari, no
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Speaker 6: one is calling for us to establish a strategic wind reserve,
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Speaker 6: and that's not going to cut it. We need strategic
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Speaker 6: oil and gas production so that we can keep our
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Speaker 6: country moving whatever happens overseas.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned there that BP and the Norwegian oil company
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Speaker 2: Equinor did have plans in twenty sixteen and twenty nineteen
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Speaker 2: to drill in the Great Australian Bite. There were concerns
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Speaker 2: at the time about the impact of drilling, potential oil spills,
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Speaker 2: the impact that would have in pristine waters. Would you
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Speaker 2: expect to be having these sort of fights all over again?
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Speaker 2: But a decade later.
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Speaker 6: Well, there's no doubt those green groups will continue to
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Speaker 6: oppose the development of our nation, continue to seek to
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Speaker 6: put us in a vulnerable position. As they have done.
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Speaker 6: They succeeded, They won this battle at that time. I
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Speaker 6: won other battles against them, but I lost this one.
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Speaker 6: I haven't given up. Though I mentioned the ABC earlier,
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Speaker 6: I just double checked this morning.
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Speaker 5: The ABC ran this absurd.
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Speaker 6: Article that somehow drilling in the byte will end up
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Speaker 6: with all spills on Bondi Beach.
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Speaker 5: It's just ridiculous.
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Speaker 6: And of course, like any industrial activity, there are risks
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Speaker 6: with offshore drilling, but we have a massive offshore drilling
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Speaker 6: industry off the West Australian coast. It's run perfectly safely
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Speaker 6: for decades. It underpins now our second, sorry third biggest
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Speaker 6: export in gas, and there was no doubt that if
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Speaker 6: something like this hat would occur, if we could open
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Speaker 6: up an area in southwestrol it would be an enormous
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Speaker 6: benefit of the South astral economy and it would be
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Speaker 6: done safely because we have very high regulatory standards in
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Speaker 6: this country. But again, the scare campaign is run by
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Speaker 6: the ABC. I'm not going to copy lectures from you.
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to Maybe if they run an equal
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Speaker 6: number of pro cool and pro oil and pro gas stories,
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Speaker 6: they can be forgiven. But I won't be holding my
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Speaker 6: breadth that the ABC will do that anytime soon.
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Speaker 2: Matt Anthony Alberinezi gave a speech yesterday where he adopted
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Speaker 2: some of your messages about self relive. He's now saying
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Speaker 2: Australia needs to be more self sufficient. So your pitch
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Speaker 2: to drill in the great Australian bite. This will be
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Speaker 2: a test for the Prime Minister, won't it Whether he
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Speaker 2: agrees with it, Well.
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Speaker 6: It's a test of the Prime Minister's priorities, chari what
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Speaker 6: are the priorities of this government? The priorities to date
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Speaker 6: have been verse to divide us through a voice referendum,
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Speaker 6: then to obsess over ideological targets on renewable energy and
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Speaker 6: net zero by twenty fifty. I think the Australian people's
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Speaker 6: priorities are to keep their tank their petrol tanks full
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Speaker 6: in the next month, to keep the trucks moving in
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Speaker 6: our country so we can continue to receive goods, including
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Speaker 6: especially important pharmaceutical products. Our priorities are to continue food
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Speaker 6: production so our farmers can keep planting crops and keep
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Speaker 6: our shelves full. So all politics is about priorities and
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Speaker 6: the reason I'm against Nanciero. I'm here tonight in Henry
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Speaker 6: Pike's seed at Alexandra Hills and four hundred people are
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Speaker 6: turning up to hear why this whole crazy concept of
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Speaker 6: NETS zero is distorting the priorities of this country. That
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Speaker 6: we are pursuing a goal that car'p you achieved, but
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Speaker 6: is just making our country poorer. My priority is to
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Speaker 6: bring down the power prices of Australias.
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Speaker 5: I don't have a net zero or we don't know.
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Speaker 6: We the Liberal National Party, does not have a net
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Speaker 6: zero by twenty fifty target. We have a cost of
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Speaker 6: living target to bring down energy prices, to run our
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Speaker 6: energy system to deliver those the lowest energy prices possible,
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Speaker 6: and that will mean a whole lot of good things follow.
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Speaker 6: People will be able to afford things again, the living
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Speaker 6: stands will go up and jobs will be created too.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister announced a new Fuel SAR today, Anthea Harris.
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Speaker 2: She previously headed up the Climate Authority. I mean, does
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Speaker 2: this seem like a joke to you? You know, someone
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Speaker 2: who's campaigned against fossil fuels now becoming the fuel Sar.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it does feel a little surreal. I've felt a
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Speaker 6: little surreal over the past week Sharo being picked to
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Speaker 6: be the National's leader of this great and I don't know,
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Speaker 6: it does seem a strange appointment. Look, I think anybody
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Speaker 6: that's been involved in running our energy system for the
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Speaker 6: past decade should be sacked. They have totally mismanaged our system.
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Speaker 6: Just look at the results. We've gone from having some
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Speaker 6: of the cheapest power prices, energy prices in the world,
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Speaker 6: sustained our prosperities in nation for centuries to now having
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Speaker 6: the most some of the most expensive in the world.
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Speaker 6: And that's been done under people like Anthea Harris. She
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Speaker 6: was involved in all of this, so I don't know
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Speaker 6: what she's done to deserve such a promotion. I can
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Speaker 6: only wish it well. I wanted to succeed now because
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Speaker 6: this is so so important and the government has acted
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Speaker 6: late here but clearly now they need to get across
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Speaker 6: where the fuel is not just at a national level.
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Speaker 6: I've been focusing on the national supplies of oil.
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Speaker 5: We need to be where.
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Speaker 6: It's needed on farm in country towns. They need to
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Speaker 6: be right across that. And there needs to be a
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Speaker 6: proper plan put in place here for what we should
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Speaker 6: do if things get worse. There is that risk. I
21:59
Speaker 6: hope it doesn't happen. We should always prepare for the
22:01
Speaker 6: worst and hope.
22:02
Speaker 5: For the best.
22:04
Speaker 3: Very quickly.
22:04
Speaker 2: South Australian State election on Saturday, what's your message to
22:09
Speaker 2: voters who are planning to support One Nation and Pauline
22:12
Speaker 2: Hans It.
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Speaker 6: Well, we just need to think about who's got the
22:17
Speaker 6: right plans and competence and team to get through these
22:20
Speaker 6: tough times. We've got a very difficult time as a nation.
22:23
Speaker 6: We had one already with the highest inflation in the
22:26
Speaker 6: world in the developed world, sorry, highest interest rates in
22:28
Speaker 6: the developed world too, and now we need a competent
22:32
Speaker 6: team to be able to manage these difficult economic headwins
22:35
Speaker 6: the geopolitical changes that are happening overseas to make our
22:38
Speaker 6: county country sign stronger. So I am going in there
22:40
Speaker 6: to support the South Astralian Nationals tomorrow. I think they've
22:44
Speaker 6: got the experience to know how the practical approach to
22:47
Speaker 6: politics which will make people's lives better.
22:50
Speaker 5: Just focus on that. So I think they deserve your support.
22:54
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see how high the One Nation primary
22:56
Speaker 2: is after Saturday. Matt Canavan, thank you so much for
22:58
Speaker 2: joining us.
22:59
Speaker 3: As always, they really appreciate it.
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Speaker 5: Thanks Eric.
23:05
Speaker 2: And there's more details of Matt's plan to drill or
23:08
Speaker 2: to allow drilling in the Great Australian Bite in the
23:11
Speaker 2: Adelaide Advertiser tomorrow. Editor Jamma Jones is brilliant and I
23:15
Speaker 2: know they've got terrific coverage of the.
23:17
Speaker 3: Essay election as well.
23:19
Speaker 2: All Right, we'll turn to the breaking news in the
23:20
Speaker 2: Iran war shortly, and we'll talk to an Iranian activist
23:24
Speaker 2: about what the soccer team are likely to face now
23:27
Speaker 2: that they've arrived back home. But first, just for a
23:30
Speaker 2: quick change of pace, because tomorrow the Australian newspaper publishes
23:34
Speaker 2: its annual Richest to fifty list.
23:38
Speaker 3: And while the usual suspects.
23:39
Speaker 2: Like Gina Reinhart, Harry Triggerbuff and Anthony Pratt remain in
23:43
Speaker 2: the top ten, there has been some serious movement because
23:47
Speaker 2: for the first time in eight years, the total fortune
23:50
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty six list is down. Overall, twenty
23:55
Speaker 2: five billion dollars has been wiped from their total value
23:58
Speaker 2: compared with last year. Now, for the most part it's
24:01
Speaker 2: because of the Atlasian co founders, who've lost thirty five
24:05
Speaker 2: billion dollars combined, and that's pushed them out of the
24:08
Speaker 2: top ten. And this of course comes after Etlassian sacked
24:11
Speaker 2: over one thousand and six hundred employees last week as
24:15
Speaker 2: the rise of artificial intelligence starts to bite the company.
24:19
Speaker 3: Hart.
24:20
Speaker 2: It's a similar story for Richard White, whose wealth has
24:23
Speaker 2: halved since last year.
24:25
Speaker 3: All right, Well for more of a.
24:26
Speaker 2: Sneak peek, the Richest two fifty editor John Stenzel is
24:29
Speaker 2: here with me now. John, great to see you again.
24:32
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's been a year since you were
24:34
Speaker 2: last on the program. Talking about this it goes so quickly.
24:38
Speaker 2: So tell us about some of the biggest movement in
24:41
Speaker 2: the top ten.
24:42
Speaker 8: Yeah.
24:42
Speaker 10: Sure, you've obviously been through the Outlastian guys. I mean
24:44
Speaker 10: they're getting smashed by AI, right, So those two Richard White,
24:47
Speaker 10: those are the big three. They actually account for more
24:50
Speaker 10: of that lot, the twenty five billion, so it's all
24:52
Speaker 10: because of those three. So otherwise you're looking at people
24:55
Speaker 10: like the Camva founders, Milanie Perkins and Cliff Obrick who
25:00
Speaker 10: actually move up the list. So they're actually they're unlike
25:02
Speaker 10: at Lassian, they're profitable, they haven't sacked many workers yet,
25:05
Speaker 10: they're going very well. I mean, obviously you've got Gina
25:07
Speaker 10: at number one, You've got Anthony Pratu at number three,
25:09
Speaker 10: and Harry triggab Off at number two, and so Harry's
25:12
Speaker 10: in property, Anthony's in manufacturing, so that you see some
25:16
Speaker 10: of those old style industries coming back to the fall
25:18
Speaker 10: because they're almost safe havens in these crazy uncertain times.
25:22
Speaker 5: So I think there's a lesson in that.
25:24
Speaker 10: So obviously AI is smashing up the software people, but
25:27
Speaker 10: some of these perennial industries are going really really well.
25:30
Speaker 2: Well are you seeing that similar impact of AI on
25:34
Speaker 2: many of those other companies in the two fifty so
25:38
Speaker 2: are you seeing a lot of movement because of AI?
25:40
Speaker 3: Absolutely so, the kind of early signs of it.
25:42
Speaker 5: Really.
25:43
Speaker 10: Yeah, the data center's revolution is coming. So a lot
25:46
Speaker 10: of people have made big money because of that. So
25:48
Speaker 10: a new name on the list, for example, a pretty
25:49
Speaker 10: controversial guy, Oliver Curtis. Remember he was in jailed for
25:53
Speaker 10: insider trading a decade ago. Now he's in charge of
25:56
Speaker 10: a company called Firmus, which is building AI data centers,
26:00
Speaker 10: and all of a sudden, on paper is worth one
26:02
Speaker 10: point three billion so of a six billion dollar company.
26:05
Speaker 5: So he's forty years old.
26:07
Speaker 10: It's an incredible story in that regard, Like the paper
26:09
Speaker 10: wealth it's been accumulated because of that.
26:12
Speaker 2: What are some of the other and just for anyone watching,
26:14
Speaker 2: he's obviously most commonly known as roxy Chick and gros early.
26:19
Speaker 2: But I suppose now if he's become a billionaire, he'll
26:21
Speaker 2: become well known and he's on right and not just
26:23
Speaker 2: for going to prison. What are some of the other
26:26
Speaker 2: new names on the list.
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Speaker 10: I really like Pamela Wall, who's a ninety one year
26:29
Speaker 10: old first time billionaire from Adelaide, Pammy, as she's affectionately known.
26:33
Speaker 10: I think she's one of the great stories. She's she's
26:36
Speaker 10: a big shareholder in the company called Codin, which makes
26:39
Speaker 10: metal detectors and things like that. It's been it's been
26:41
Speaker 10: a thirty or forty year overnight success story. But she
26:44
Speaker 10: was on the board back in the day because her husband,
26:47
Speaker 10: Ian Wall was one of the founders.
26:48
Speaker 5: But she insisted it's a.
26:49
Speaker 10: Great story that we've written a feature on. She They
26:52
Speaker 10: told her if she's going to be on the board,
26:54
Speaker 10: she had to wear a skirt, but she said, no,
26:55
Speaker 10: I'm going to wear a pants suit. I'm going to
26:56
Speaker 10: be you know, I'm going to be I'm going to
26:58
Speaker 10: be just as.
26:59
Speaker 5: More important as you. So she's a great example.
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Speaker 3: And became a billionaire in her nineties.
27:04
Speaker 5: Exactly right.
27:04
Speaker 10: For the first time this year because the share pross.
27:06
Speaker 3: Has doubled, wants to give it away.
27:07
Speaker 10: Yeah, So she's got this great plan so that you
27:10
Speaker 10: know that it doesn't really want to leave it. She's donating.
27:12
Speaker 10: She's going to be one of those names around Adelaide.
27:14
Speaker 10: You'll see the Pamelerinina Wall Foundation and name everywhere.
27:17
Speaker 1: I think.
27:17
Speaker 10: So she's a real interesting person, all right.
27:20
Speaker 2: And what about any other any other stories that you
27:23
Speaker 2: found interesting or changes or trends that we're looking at.
27:26
Speaker 10: Look, I think there's a guy called Robert hillmer is
27:29
Speaker 10: in America who's actually based in West Palm Beach or
27:31
Speaker 10: Palm Beach, just across the water from mar Lago. He's
27:34
Speaker 10: this really fascinating character who's built this financial services business.
27:38
Speaker 10: But he took me through his regiment of getting up
27:40
Speaker 10: at four o'clock every morning. He's out the door within
27:43
Speaker 10: five minutes, doesn't check his phone, gets to the office.
27:45
Speaker 10: Hot treatment, cold treatment. All he checks his phone and
27:48
Speaker 10: works his computer and so on and so forth.
27:49
Speaker 3: It's a hot treatment.
27:50
Speaker 10: Well like when you're doing the infra red and then
27:52
Speaker 10: you're back in then you're doing the cold plunge in
27:54
Speaker 10: the office exactly. He's got it in his office, and
27:57
Speaker 10: he's got it and he's got the Wi Fi in there,
27:59
Speaker 10: and it is on his phone and he's working in there.
28:02
Speaker 10: He works from four am to six pm pretty much
28:05
Speaker 10: every day year except for Christmas.
28:07
Speaker 5: He gets home for lunch.
28:09
Speaker 3: Does he have kids in a family?
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Speaker 10: No, I think he's a full time in business.
28:13
Speaker 3: The when you're a mother or a doubt, that's for sure.
28:18
Speaker 2: Just a question not really related to the list. But
28:21
Speaker 2: you've interviewed so many of the wealthiest people. I mean,
28:25
Speaker 2: do most of them get up at like five in
28:27
Speaker 2: the morning and do a strict exercise regime?
28:30
Speaker 3: Is that very important for success?
28:32
Speaker 10: It's very important I think for their sort of mental
28:34
Speaker 10: health as well. Yeah, they've got I mean they've obviously
28:36
Speaker 10: got enough money to afford some pretty good personal trainers.
28:38
Speaker 5: They do a lot of that.
28:40
Speaker 10: I mean, they want to start work early before everyone
28:43
Speaker 10: else does, so there's a competitive nature to that as well,
28:46
Speaker 10: and so they're up even earlier. Yeah, they're exercise in
28:48
Speaker 10: their staying shape because they are working a lot of hours.
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Speaker 3: Congratulations.
28:53
Speaker 2: I know it's an enormous amount of research and analyzing
28:57
Speaker 2: annual reports and going through company documents whenever wants. You
29:00
Speaker 2: don't know their wealth And this is your eighteenth year
29:04
Speaker 2: John doing it first at the finn and now at
29:05
Speaker 2: the Australian so congrats, thanks for pick it up tomorrow.
29:09
Speaker 3: Here it is, let's have a can hold it up.
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Speaker 3: It looks good.
29:11
Speaker 5: There, you go appreciate it. Now.
29:15
Speaker 2: Many of you have asked me when our Bondai documentary
29:19
Speaker 2: is going to be available on YouTube so you can
29:22
Speaker 2: share it with your friends and family who might have
29:25
Speaker 2: missed it or who live overseas well. It is now
29:28
Speaker 2: up on YouTube and it's very easy to find. So
29:31
Speaker 2: if you pull up YouTube on your computer, then type
29:35
Speaker 2: in to the search bar BONDI Special Investigation, BONDII Special Investigation,
29:41
Speaker 2: it'll be the first one that comes up. That's what
29:44
Speaker 2: it looks like, and you can click on that and
29:46
Speaker 2: watch it there on.
29:48
Speaker 3: YouTube for free.
29:50
Speaker 2: It's the by far, the most comprehensive, detailed, compelling, an
29:54
Speaker 2: emotional TV report that has been done on the Bondai
29:58
Speaker 2: terror attack. It's got footage in it that's never been
30:01
Speaker 2: shown anywhere else, and we interviewed more than fifty people
30:05
Speaker 2: who courageously sat down with us to share their stories.
30:10
Speaker 11: And then after those two shots, I still managed to,
30:14
Speaker 11: I don't know how, stay on top of the kids.
30:17
Speaker 11: But then I had another shot and that one got
30:20
Speaker 11: me in the chest and I fell down and collapsed.
30:24
Speaker 11: I knew I was in trouble when I got hit
30:26
Speaker 11: in the chest, and I had a thought that I
30:31
Speaker 11: didn't want to die in front of my kids.
30:34
Speaker 2: He's so amazing, so's everyone who took part in that documentary.
30:39
Speaker 2: So again, to watch it, you go to YouTube. You
30:42
Speaker 2: type in BONDI Special Investigation and click on the documentary.
30:47
Speaker 2: And if you're still struggling to find it, I've pinned
30:50
Speaker 2: a link to it at the top of my x account,
30:54
Speaker 2: which is the Twitter account. All right, still to come,
30:57
Speaker 2: Moran's fire Festival is shaping as a flashpoint for the regime.
31:01
Speaker 2: An Iranian activist will be here to discuss whether it
31:04
Speaker 2: could turn into open protest. Plus, the former counter Terror
31:08
Speaker 2: chief Joe Kent goes on Tucker Carson and of course
31:11
Speaker 2: blames Jewish groups for.
31:13
Speaker 3: Dragging America toward war. That's all coming up.
31:20
Speaker 2: President Trump is now trying to put some distance between
31:24
Speaker 2: himself and Israel's strike in Iran's gas field, which led
31:28
Speaker 2: to Iran retaliating against Katar. Now, Trump said that Israel
31:32
Speaker 2: will not attack the South Pass field again unless, and
31:36
Speaker 2: I quote unless Iran unwisely decides to attack a very
31:40
Speaker 2: innocent in this case Katar, in which instance, the United
31:44
Speaker 2: States of America, with or without the help or consent
31:47
Speaker 2: of Israel, will massively blow up the entirety of the
31:51
Speaker 2: South Pass gas Field at an amount of strength and
31:54
Speaker 2: power that Iran has never seen or witnessed before. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now, Shadow Minister for Education Julian, Lisa Julian, great
32:03
Speaker 2: to see you.
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Speaker 5: Look.
32:04
Speaker 2: What do you make of these astonishing events over the
32:07
Speaker 2: past twenty four hours.
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Speaker 4: Well, they are astonishing shari and what we're seeing now
32:13
Speaker 4: is Iran isolating itself even more than it was before.
32:18
Speaker 4: We know, Iran has been attacking Israel for years with
32:21
Speaker 4: ballistic missiles and through its proxies Hamas and Hesbalah. What
32:25
Speaker 4: we've seen over the last few days, we've seen the
32:28
Speaker 4: regional and Islamic foreign ministers meeting in read and at
32:31
Speaker 4: the same time, Iran striking Saudi Arabia, and the Saudi
32:35
Speaker 4: Arabian foreign minists are saying they'll put themselves on a
32:38
Speaker 4: war footing. You've got Iran striking Qatar, you've got to
32:41
Speaker 4: Ran sending its proxy Hesbalah into Kuwait to commit terrorist acts,
32:46
Speaker 4: and the Kuwaitis apprehended these actors before they committed those acts.
32:50
Speaker 4: But what you're seeing is Iran being a more and
32:54
Speaker 4: more isolated country as more and more Middle Eastern countries
32:58
Speaker 4: are drawn into this conflict against Iran because they can
33:03
Speaker 4: see the way that Iran is lashing out is causing
33:06
Speaker 4: great instability in the region.
33:09
Speaker 2: Just turning to the price of oil now above one
33:12
Speaker 2: hundred and ten one hundred and eleven US dollars.
33:14
Speaker 3: A barrel, it is going up and down.
33:16
Speaker 2: But if it keeps climbing from here, how quickly does
33:19
Speaker 2: this become a much larger economic problem globally.
33:24
Speaker 4: Well, obviously when the price of oil goes up, that
33:26
Speaker 4: does have broader economic effects. And it's the reason why
33:30
Speaker 4: we have been asking questions in the Parliament about what
33:33
Speaker 4: Australia's what the Australian government has been doing to prepare
33:37
Speaker 4: Australia for such oil shocks. This was entirely foreseeable. But
33:41
Speaker 4: what did the government do? Last week they blamed Australians
33:45
Speaker 4: for buying petrol at the petrol pump. They said there
33:48
Speaker 4: was nothing to see here, and now this week they
33:51
Speaker 4: say this is a full blown crisis. And this is
33:54
Speaker 4: a government that is supposed to be there to look
33:57
Speaker 4: after our interest is supposed to be there to prepare
33:59
Speaker 4: us for actions like this, and yet again they've been
34:03
Speaker 4: asleep at the wheel.
34:05
Speaker 2: What's your opinion on whether the allies including US Australia
34:09
Speaker 2: should help protect international shipping in the straight up?
34:12
Speaker 4: Homus, Well, I think the important thing to say first
34:15
Speaker 4: is that we are already assisting allies there in sending
34:18
Speaker 4: non offensive military hardware such as the wedge Tail surveillance aircraft.
34:23
Speaker 4: But as to whether we can send naval ships to
34:27
Speaker 4: the conflict over there, I mean, I think you need
34:29
Speaker 4: to ask them which ships, what else could they be
34:33
Speaker 4: used for? And importantly are they able to defend themselves
34:36
Speaker 4: against modern warfare attacks like drones and missiles. You remember
34:41
Speaker 4: when the Biden administration was in and they requested our
34:43
Speaker 4: help in the Red Sea. We didn't send people there,
34:47
Speaker 4: and that's because our government, the Albanzi government, has failed
34:51
Speaker 4: to adequately invest in defense infrastructure, and it's why we've
34:55
Speaker 4: been calling on the government to lift its spending on
34:59
Speaker 4: defense to ensure that we're properly able to defend ourselves
35:03
Speaker 4: and participate in other actions.
35:06
Speaker 2: So our military equipment might not be up to the task.
35:11
Speaker 2: But what do you think morally about or the moral
35:16
Speaker 2: imperative of standing with the United States in Israel to
35:20
Speaker 2: help keep the stripping the shipping lane open, you know,
35:22
Speaker 2: not even taking offensive action in the world, just protecting
35:26
Speaker 2: the strait of Hormus.
35:28
Speaker 4: Well, I think what we've got to do is is
35:30
Speaker 4: consider any request from the United States to be involved
35:35
Speaker 4: in this war and consider it on the basis of
35:37
Speaker 4: our own national interest. Of course, we're in a country
35:41
Speaker 4: that chees the values of America and Israel, you know,
35:45
Speaker 4: and that's something that we and the coalition have been
35:47
Speaker 4: very very strong on. But as to whether we are
35:50
Speaker 4: actually capable of doing so, we need to assist that
35:52
Speaker 4: based on our military capabilities.
35:56
Speaker 2: Just turning to another topic, there's a new poll why
35:58
Speaker 2: Fox and Hedgehog gets found fifty nine percent of first
36:01
Speaker 2: generation Australians want fewer migrants, and fifty eight percent of
36:05
Speaker 2: Australians overall back a modest or significant cut to the intake.
36:10
Speaker 3: This isn't the Telegraph today.
36:12
Speaker 2: This concern about immigration seems to be driving the support
36:17
Speaker 2: for One Nation Julian. So you know, is this because
36:21
Speaker 2: is this a rising from the tough economic times we're facing,
36:25
Speaker 2: or do you think it's also partly to do with
36:27
Speaker 2: the terror attack in Bondai.
36:30
Speaker 4: This is arising because the government has completely lost control
36:33
Speaker 4: of our migration program and the Australian people know it.
36:36
Speaker 4: I mean, the government has not met a single migration
36:38
Speaker 4: target it's set, it's gone well over those targets, and
36:41
Speaker 4: today in the Treasurer's Economic Update he forecasted that there
36:45
Speaker 4: will be more migration to come. So Australians are trying
36:49
Speaker 4: to live in their cities and seeing infrastructure burdened by
36:55
Speaker 4: a lack of proper investment, and at the same time
36:57
Speaker 4: we're bringing more and more people to this country. So
37:00
Speaker 4: when the public has lost confidence in the government's ability
37:05
Speaker 4: to manage the migration program, that's the key issue.
37:10
Speaker 2: And I mean related to this. One Nation is just
37:12
Speaker 2: soaring in support. There was a poll this week showing
37:16
Speaker 2: it's got twenty three percent primary vote in New South
37:18
Speaker 2: Wales and it's sitting just two points behind the coalition.
37:21
Speaker 2: We're expecting to see One Nation do very well on
37:24
Speaker 2: the weekend at the South Australian state election. Julian, do
37:27
Speaker 2: you think it's possible it does become at least in
37:31
Speaker 2: the Essay state election, the second major political party after labor, we'll.
37:38
Speaker 4: Show we've all read polls that predicted one thing and
37:41
Speaker 4: you saw a very different election outcome. So let's wait
37:43
Speaker 4: till the weekend. But more broadly, we've got to be
37:46
Speaker 4: focused on convincing Australians that we as the Coalition are
37:52
Speaker 4: the rightal alternative for the country to restore our prosperity
37:56
Speaker 4: and protect our way of life. And that's what Angus
37:59
Speaker 4: Taylor and our team focused on in terms of our
38:01
Speaker 4: policy suite, and that's what we're going to be focused
38:05
Speaker 4: from now until election day.
38:09
Speaker 2: Question with complete no notice, and if you're watching my show,
38:13
Speaker 2: you will know what I'm potentially going to ask you.
38:16
Speaker 2: But Matt Canavan was just on a moment ago and
38:19
Speaker 2: he said that we should now be drilling in the
38:22
Speaker 2: great Australian bite so that Australia can become self sufficient
38:26
Speaker 2: when it comes to oil production and fuel. I'm not
38:30
Speaker 2: sure if you saw his comments or not. This has
38:32
Speaker 2: just been on my show in the past half hour.
38:35
Speaker 2: But you know, what's your reaction to an idea like that?
38:37
Speaker 2: Do you think that is something that should be examined.
38:40
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Shah, I didn't have the opportunity to see
38:43
Speaker 4: to see Matt's comments. But I think obviously we are
38:47
Speaker 4: in a process of policy development, and if we go
38:49
Speaker 4: down that path, we will be putting together a policy
38:53
Speaker 4: that's developed in the usual way, with broad consultation and
38:56
Speaker 4: ensuring that we balance both our economic and our environmental
39:00
Speaker 4: needs in one of the most significant spots in the country.
39:04
Speaker 2: Right Well, I'm not sure that policy development's happening, because
39:06
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan said on the show that he's going to
39:08
Speaker 2: stand up and announce it tomorrow.
39:10
Speaker 3: So there you go.
39:12
Speaker 2: He needs Look, I'm not critical of it, he needs
39:14
Speaker 2: to do something to win back support.
39:16
Speaker 3: So there you go.
39:16
Speaker 2: Jillian Lisa, thanks so much for your time and still
39:20
Speaker 2: to come with their veils back on the five members
39:23
Speaker 2: of the Iranian women's soccer team return to Iran, and
39:26
Speaker 2: one day after he quit the job, Trump's former counter
39:29
Speaker 2: terror chief goes on Tucker Carson to blame Jewish.
39:32
Speaker 3: Groups for the war. That's next welcome back.
39:39
Speaker 2: Well I said last night that Joe Kent, Trump's former
39:42
Speaker 2: counter terror chief, was an isolationist, following the path of
39:45
Speaker 2: Tucker Carson and true to form. After quitting his job,
39:49
Speaker 2: he jumped on Tucker's podcast with anti Semitic tropes.
39:53
Speaker 7: The Israelis drove the decision to take this action, which
39:58
Speaker 7: we knew would set off a series of events, meaning
40:01
Speaker 7: the Iranians would retaliate.
40:03
Speaker 12: So the imminent threat that the Secretary of State is
40:05
Speaker 12: describing is not from Iran, It's from Israel.
40:09
Speaker 3: The imminent threat not from Iran but from Israel. This
40:12
Speaker 3: is dangerous rubbish.
40:13
Speaker 2: And there was a lot more dangerous nonsense in that
40:16
Speaker 2: interview as well. But now there's concern about a growing
40:19
Speaker 2: resistance to the Iran war, to Trump's actions in the
40:23
Speaker 2: Office of the Director of National Intelligence, because Tulsi Gabbard
40:27
Speaker 2: has replaced Joe Kent with a guy, cord Dan Cardwell,
40:31
Speaker 2: who also went on Taker Carlson's show in April, and
40:34
Speaker 2: I quote from the Wall Street Journal after he was
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Speaker 2: pushed out of the Pentagon in a leak investigation. He
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Speaker 2: spent the months since opposing Trump's Iran policy, and the
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Speaker 2: journal reports that it isn't healthy at a time of
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Speaker 2: war to have what essentially is a resistance movement inside
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Speaker 2: the administration. Joiny min Now is Spiked Online editor Tom Slater, Tom,
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Speaker 2: great to see you. Does this show that Tulsi Gabbard's
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Speaker 2: appointment was a mistake.
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Speaker 13: I think it was a mistake for both concerned. I mean,
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Speaker 13: when Tulsa Gabard got on board in her national security role,
41:09
Speaker 13: she was very much as a non interventionist, as an
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Speaker 13: opponent of almost any foreign entanglement, it seemed, and that
41:15
Speaker 13: was always going to bump up against the fact that
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Speaker 13: whilst Donald Trump did have some of those instincts, he
41:20
Speaker 13: clearly didn't have all of them. Has been on the
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Speaker 13: record as spoiling for some kind of confrontation with Iran
41:25
Speaker 13: for quite some time, and I think it's fair to
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Speaker 13: say Goward has kind of embarrassed herself having to pretend
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Speaker 13: that she now doesn't hold the opinion she does, or
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Speaker 13: at least to keep them very close to her chest.
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Speaker 13: These kinds of quiet appointments, you know, replacing again the
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Speaker 13: outgoing counter terror chief with Dan card Well, someone who
41:42
Speaker 13: seems to have in a different role, but someone who
41:45
Speaker 13: nevertheless seems to have identical opinions to Joe Ken, I
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Speaker 13: think is telling, and I think it shows that a
41:52
Speaker 13: bigger rupture with the anti interventionists and this government is
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Speaker 13: on the cards now, because it's just impossible to see
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Speaker 13: how the two can kind of exists given what's going
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Speaker 13: on in the Middle East at the moment.
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Speaker 2: And there were some comments by Jadie Vance today where
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Speaker 2: he wasn't defending Trump on Iran. He was defending Trump
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Speaker 2: by saying, you can have a different view, but once
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Speaker 2: the President makes a decision, you got to back him in.
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Speaker 2: So it wasn't terribly convincing. But Tom, what does it
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Speaker 2: say about the dangerous anti Semitism that's arising on the
42:20
Speaker 2: MAGA far right. And not to go into this whole
42:23
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, but Joe Kent and Tucker Carson again went
42:28
Speaker 2: on about Charlie Kirk. You know, potentially they didn't say
42:32
Speaker 2: he was killed by Israel. They say it's okay to
42:34
Speaker 2: ask questions, you know, about whether he's killed by Israel.
42:37
Speaker 2: I mean he loved Israel and Israel loved Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 13: No, absolutely, The just asking questions defense is a pretty
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Speaker 13: slippery one. And this is a problem when any section
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Speaker 13: of politics embrace his conspiracy theories. Which is at the
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Speaker 13: end of almost every conspiracy theory is the Jews is
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Speaker 13: totally legitimate for someone to oppose foreign conflicts of pose
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Speaker 13: Western intervention.
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Speaker 5: You can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Speaker 13: But the fact that this seems to have taken the
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Speaker 13: form of suggesting that the sinister Israel lobby is calling
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Speaker 13: the shots. Aside from the very dark overtones that you've
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Speaker 13: already laid out there, Shari, it is also just doesn't
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Speaker 13: seem to reflect reality. There have been various points in
43:16
Speaker 13: which Donald Trump is very publicly broken with Benjaminette and
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Speaker 13: jo over Gaza or other issues. The idea that tiny
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Speaker 13: little Israel is dictating what America is doing, is manipulating
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Speaker 13: the president is not only reminiscent of some of the
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Speaker 13: most age old tropes about Jews controlling foreign policy, whether
43:36
Speaker 13: that's intentional or unintentional, what people can make up their
43:39
Speaker 13: minds about that, it's also clearly not true. And I
43:42
Speaker 13: think the fact that this is a kind of a
43:44
Speaker 13: rabbit hole that many people are tumbling down is concerning
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Speaker 13: for what's going on in the American right at.
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Speaker 3: The moment exactly.
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Speaker 2: There also seems to be this obsession over the word
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Speaker 2: imminent that you know, Iran wasn't posing an imminent threat,
43:55
Speaker 2: but the.
43:55
Speaker 3: Threat was already there.
43:56
Speaker 2: There had already been assassination attempts on Trump, for example,
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Speaker 2: they'd already been terror attacks in Australia, so it's kind
44:02
Speaker 2: of naive to think there wasn't an imminent threat. But
44:06
Speaker 2: you know, you see world leaders like your Keir Starmer
44:09
Speaker 2: as well getting caught up in this.
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Speaker 13: No, absolutely, and again there's there's an entirely different world
44:16
Speaker 13: in which you could say, look, this was the pretext
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Speaker 13: for this war. I mean, it's one of many pretexts
44:20
Speaker 13: that were thrown out by this government. But nevertheless, the
44:22
Speaker 13: idea that there was an imminent threat, and the hint
44:24
Speaker 13: was a kind of imminent nuclear threat. If you look
44:26
Speaker 13: at most of the reporting, it's quite clear that they weren't.
44:29
Speaker 13: The Uranians weren't on the on the kind of edge
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Speaker 13: of developing a nuclear weapon. But we all know why
44:34
Speaker 13: they have that nuclear program. They're not doing it for fun,
44:36
Speaker 13: they're not doing it for domestic energy production. And it
44:40
Speaker 13: does strike many people as very naive that the fact
44:44
Speaker 13: that they aren't going to be able to launch one
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Speaker 13: next Tuesday doesn't mean that they don't intend to launch
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Speaker 13: one in the future. This is a very ideological, theocratic
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Speaker 13: government which wants to bring about the ultimate conflict with
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Speaker 13: the West, to bring about the apocalypse. This is the
44:57
Speaker 13: sort of people that you're dealing with. So again one
44:59
Speaker 13: can say this wasn't the right move, it didn't reflect
45:02
Speaker 13: the intelligence. We should try and deal with Iran in
45:04
Speaker 13: a different kind of way. That's totally legitimate. People can
45:07
Speaker 13: agree and disagree, But to go around acting that Iran
45:09
Speaker 13: isn't the threat, if anything, Israel is the threat. I mean,
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Speaker 13: this is just drawing from a well of lunacy and
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Speaker 13: conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 3: I say, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it's just so dangerous and so many people globally,
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Speaker 2: including here in Australia, are being influenced by this kind
45:25
Speaker 2: of rhetoric.
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Speaker 3: So very worrying.
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Speaker 2: Tom Slater, thanks so much for your time. As always
45:30
Speaker 2: still to come. Tehran is threatening arrests and flogging ahead
45:33
Speaker 2: of a fire festival that could quickly become a protest movement.
45:38
Speaker 2: And what punishment, if any, will the Iranian football team
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Speaker 2: face now that they are landed in Tehran?
45:43
Speaker 3: Talk about that after the break.
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Speaker 2: Well, footage ed by Iranian state media has shown the
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Speaker 2: Iranian soccer team, who initially sought protection in Australia, receiving
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Speaker 2: a warm welcome they as they stepped across the American
46:01
Speaker 2: and Israeli flags on the ground.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 2: You have noticed that they've all donned their veils again
46:16
Speaker 2: compared to when they didn't have the morality police watching
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Speaker 2: over them. They took them off alongside Tony Burke. We're
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Speaker 2: joining me now is Iranian activist Shader Rabari Shader, thanks
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Speaker 2: for your time. Look what is this hero's welcome? Does
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Speaker 2: this is this propaganda or are you worried about the
46:34
Speaker 2: sort of punishment these girls could now face?
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Speaker 12: Thanks for having me. You know it was a stage,
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Speaker 12: stage show, you know, the regime forresters women to smile
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Speaker 12: for the cameras, and you know, to log Geber, it
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Speaker 12: was just a fake for Pagonda, you know those women
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Speaker 12: and our heroes for the regime, the victims.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, so.
46:59
Speaker 2: That these women initially sought protection asylum in Australia, they
47:04
Speaker 2: were granted it. There was then concern that their families
47:09
Speaker 2: were facing the consequences in Iran. We don't know if
47:12
Speaker 2: their families went missing. There were all sorts of reports,
47:15
Speaker 2: but we don't actually know, but there was clearly concern
47:17
Speaker 2: about their family members. And these girls then changed their
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Speaker 2: minds and decided.
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Speaker 3: To return to Iran.
47:24
Speaker 2: So do you think there will be a penalty of
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Speaker 2: some sort now that they're back there.
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Speaker 12: Yeah. Actually the one hundred was saying, you know, in
47:35
Speaker 12: Iran regime use as families as hostages. You know, they
47:39
Speaker 12: told the players, you know, if you don't come back,
47:43
Speaker 12: you know, your parents would go to prison and torture.
47:46
Speaker 12: You know, they were black male to return and nobody
47:50
Speaker 12: goes back to you know, this regime by chose. So yeah, absolutely,
47:55
Speaker 12: their families actually they are under torture.
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Speaker 2: Do you think there are questions for Australia about how
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Speaker 2: this was handled? I mean there was criticism of the
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke for posing with photographs of
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Speaker 2: the women, for you know, putting their case right into
48:16
Speaker 2: the spotlight, for raising the profile of the case, and
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Speaker 2: that that would have made it more of an issue
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Speaker 2: that the Iranian regime cared about.
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Speaker 12: Yeah. Actually I'm really worried.
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Speaker 13: You know.
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Speaker 12: Now, you know, during to everyone, so they're under you know,
48:34
Speaker 12: herry wars. They're like prisoner at home and you know
48:38
Speaker 12: they cannot speak play Philly. The world must not forget them.
48:42
Speaker 12: Just yeah, because solved them actually for their families actually
48:51
Speaker 12: decided to come back too.
48:54
Speaker 2: Just in terms of the authorities in Tehran. They're now
48:57
Speaker 2: threatening arrests, flogging and even hardh punishment ahead of around
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Speaker 2: annual fire festival. We've heard comments from the Israeli Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Benjaminette and Yahoo, you know.
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Speaker 3: Encouraging celebration.
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Speaker 2: He said, he, you know, took out some of the
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Speaker 2: key figures so that Iranians could celebrate. Usually it's a
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Speaker 2: night of bonfires and celebration.
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Speaker 3: Do you think there is.
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Speaker 2: A possibility that this could turn into protests into an uprising?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, as a conference was a path of
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Speaker 12: you as you know, the people showed great resilience, you know,
49:34
Speaker 12: two nights ago because this first of all, exactly two
49:37
Speaker 12: nights ago. This is the very actually important traditional even
49:43
Speaker 12: before Nrus and thousands you know, came out to celebrate,
49:47
Speaker 12: you know, they jumped over the fire and honored the
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Speaker 12: job iven or the fallen the following years of our
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Speaker 12: revolution actually line and some revolution and yeah, there is
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Speaker 12: rate and rejoice over death of Harmony and Ali Laurie
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Speaker 12: Johnny you know, who was killed by Israel that same night.
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Speaker 12: And yeah, he was one of them more important, it
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Speaker 12: was one of the important you know, officials of the
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Speaker 12: tourist Islamic regime. And yeah, it was a beautiful and
50:20
Speaker 12: powerful show of unity this year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shiita, thank you very much for joining us, and
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Speaker 2: of course our hearts go out to all the brave
50:32
Speaker 2: Iranians dealing with the war at the moment. All right,
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Speaker 2: just remind our Bondai documentary is now on YouTube. You
50:40
Speaker 2: can watch it and thank you for your company this week. Everyone,
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Speaker 2: have a lovely weekend. I'll see you on Monday at eight.
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