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Who Was Saint Valentine? · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

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SPEAKER_02: Hello, everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to another episode of Dirt Knapp City.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Alex with my buddy Kelly.
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SPEAKER_02: Hey Kelly, what's up?
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SPEAKER_00: Hey Alex.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh doing great, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Excited to uh see what we're gonna talk about today.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a little different kind of show today, isn't it?
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SPEAKER_02: It is, it is.
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SPEAKER_02: Today we're gonna have a themed show.
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SPEAKER_02: Today is the Valentine's theme show.
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SPEAKER_02: And unlike most of our episodes where uh one of us doesn't know, today we have planned uh where both of us know.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a themed episode.
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SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be talking about Saint Valentine because Kelly, it's Valentine's Day.
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SPEAKER_02: Happy Valentine's Day, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
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SPEAKER_00: Will you be mine?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, be mine.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, and we're gonna be talking about Saint Valentine, but also all things Valentine's Day.
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SPEAKER_02: I've got a lot of uh special surprises.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh before we get started, though, did you uh hear about uh our fellow podcaster, Rachel Maddow?
1:04
SPEAKER_02: You know who she is?
1:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know who she is.
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SPEAKER_02: What what about her?
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SPEAKER_02: Um well she has a podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, unlike ours, she only has eight episodes of hers, but you know, she can keep trying.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh she has a podcast out, and it just got picked up by Steven Spielberg, just bought the rights to it to make uh a movie about it.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: About the what is the podcast called?
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SPEAKER_02: The podcast is called Ultra, and it's about uh uh a plot 80 years ago to undermine like a sedition plot, kind of a pre uh January 6th, but it happened 80 years ago, kind of uh uh an attempt to overthrow the the government.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: And so yeah, Steven Spielberg uh is is buying the rights to that and he's gonna make a feature film.
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SPEAKER_02: So this is my pitch.
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SPEAKER_02: Steven, if you're listening, if you're and you know, why wouldn't you be?
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SPEAKER_02: Um if you make you can buy the rights to our Colonel Sanders episode, and we'll take half of what Rachel Maddow's taking.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that's pretty damn good.
2:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Half.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, half half.
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SPEAKER_02: So if she got 50 million, we'll take 25.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we've got to split that two ways.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's really only 12 and a half each.
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SPEAKER_02: As long as you put in the part about the curse of the colonel.
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SPEAKER_00: The curse and and the part about the gravy tasting like uh wallpaper paste.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, obviously.
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SPEAKER_02: Obviously.
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SPEAKER_02: That's uh that's uh that's a deal breaker.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, Steven, if you're listening, Mr.
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SPEAKER_02: Spielberg, sir.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, that's that's my pitch to you.
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SPEAKER_02: But today we talk about Saint Valentine's Day.
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SPEAKER_02: St.
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SPEAKER_02: And Q the Harp.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, that would be Cupid, and I've got some information about Cupid too.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm all armed.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm armed today, Kelly.
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SPEAKER_02: I got all kinds of information.
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SPEAKER_02: And so do you.
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SPEAKER_02: You also have uh researched uh Saint Valentine.
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SPEAKER_02: I did.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh recently um made a trip to Rome to uh to the uh to Saint Valentine's uh catacombs.
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SPEAKER_02: You visited candy his grave, you hate some uh sweetheart candies, it said be mine.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, you got shot with several arrows.
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SPEAKER_02: I I visited the Hallmark factory in Kansas City.
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SPEAKER_02: That's great.
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SPEAKER_02: So you all know all about this.
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SPEAKER_02: But let me ask you this before you did any of this, did you know anything about Saint Valentine at all?
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SPEAKER_00: No, I think I actually confused him with Cupid all the time.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I knew he wasn't Cupid, but I just didn't even really think about too much about who Saint Valentine was, and I didn't have any idea that we were talking about a long, long time ago.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, because he was a third century Roman saint, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Third century.
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SPEAKER_02: So he we're talking, he lived in around the time of like the 250s, yeah, 250.
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SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
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SPEAKER_02: And he was a Roman saint known for Courtly Love.
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SPEAKER_02: Courtly love.
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SPEAKER_02: Not Courtney Love.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, this is all let's make a distinction here.
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SPEAKER_02: We are not talking about Courtney Love.
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SPEAKER_02: She's very much, well, I don't know about very much, she's alive.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh and Courtney Love actually did some research here too, was um real name's Harrison, not love, but uh Courtney Love was her stripper name.
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SPEAKER_02: Not Courtney Love.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you know what Courtly Love is?
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SPEAKER_02: Um Royal?
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SPEAKER_02: Courtly Love is a love that emphasizes nobility and chivalry.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, that sounds kind of royal, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Kind of doing nice things for somebody.
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SPEAKER_02: It's kind of somewhere between erotic is desire and moral attainment.
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SPEAKER_02: Huh.
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SPEAKER_02: And I read some kind of contradictions.
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SPEAKER_02: So courtly love is kind of the contradiction between illicit and morally elevating, passionate and disciplined, humiliating yet exalting.
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SPEAKER_00: So it has both of those qualities?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like uh it's it's something that takes you by hold and is very real and grounded, but also something very kind of spiritual and elevating.
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SPEAKER_00: And that was what uh St.
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SPEAKER_00: Valentine was known for.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the courtly love that we're talking about, as opposed to just lust or a crush or uh striking somebody's fancy.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a kind of a uh a love that takes you to that next level.
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SPEAKER_00: Or like our fans feel about about our podcast, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I love Dirtnap City.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Now uh when I think about Valentine's Day, I think about I don't think about these uh and I'm not a uh let's just get this out here.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not a romantic guy.
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SPEAKER_02: I used to think I was, and then um then you got married?
6:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Turns out I'm not.
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SPEAKER_00: We are forgetting one other form as is um you know, as you get older and and are married for longer, it becomes portly love.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: It's kind of the Al Bundy style of uh relationships that we were brought up on, I guess.
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SPEAKER_02: But when I think about Valentine's Day, I don't think about like romantic dinners or uh this kind of courtly love.
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SPEAKER_02: I think about the fourth grade, fifth grade where you pay a dollar and have a carnation sent to somebody that you had a crush on and that your hands were sweating all day waiting for these uh or the uh humiliation of all your friends get a carnation from a girl and you're stuck empty-handed at the end of the day, and uh and getting friend zoned and uh all this kind of uh anxiety of being uh uh an adolescent and and having that young love.
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SPEAKER_00: You you know where you know where the most famous and probably best illustration of that ever uh can be seen.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: So so it would be a 1993 episode of The Simpsons where Lisa feels sorry for Wow, Ralph Wiggum.
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SPEAKER_00: You know who Ralph Wiggum is, right?
7:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, of course.
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SPEAKER_00: Sort of dorky kid.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and police chief's boy.
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SPEAKER_00: But yes, uh Chief Wiggum's son.
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SPEAKER_00: So she feels bad because Ralph did not get a Valentine.
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SPEAKER_00: He was that kid, exactly who you're describing.
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SPEAKER_00: So she out of, you know, because she's a kind-hearted person, she gives him a Valentine card with a picture of a train, and it says, I chew choo choose you.
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SPEAKER_00: And he takes it as a love gesture.
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SPEAKER_00: He misinterprets and uh he thinks that Lisa is his girlfriend now, to which she gets very angry, Ralph gets heartbroken, and comedy ensues.
8:05
SPEAKER_00: But I I always thought that was the most clever Valentine, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Just what do you remember you would you would give Valentine's to other kids and you would put them in a little bag, like every or a box, everybody decorated a box, and you put them in, and she puts it in his and it's just one-sided, it's not anything you open, it's just a single card of paper.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, Hallmark probably had a 10 million percent um uh profit margin on this thing, and it's a picture of a train, and it says, I chew choo choose you.
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SPEAKER_02: Ralph picks it up and says, Lisa, choo choo chooses me and smiles.
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SPEAKER_02: I remember when my son was little, they had a rule in the uh classroom that if you had gave a valentine to one person, you had to give it to everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: So we would write these meaningless, we'd stay up all night writing these meaningless.
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SPEAKER_00: Did you have to write something on it?
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SPEAKER_02: You had to write who it was to and who it was from, and uh get a list of the class, and it was all disingenuous because you know your friends would get the same Valentines that people that you didn't care about would get.
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SPEAKER_00: Was it boys to boys and and girls to girls?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, everybody, but but my son would usually pick out Valentines that had pictures of football players on them, or I remember a Shrek Shrek Valentine set where uh Donkey would say, You slay me.
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SPEAKER_02: And I remember all these little cheesy slogans.
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SPEAKER_02: But when I think of Valentine's Day, those are the things that I think about, not romantic dinners with your wife or anything.
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SPEAKER_02: I just think of all that all that angst that goes along with being a little kid.
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SPEAKER_02: Not something that uh Saint Valentine at all was uh familiar about.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you know, while we're on the subject, do you know how one becomes a saint?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh you have to be martyred?
9:58
SPEAKER_02: There's there's kind of five five steps.
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SPEAKER_02: First of all, very much a lot of these are the same kind of uh criteria that you need to be on this show, DirtNab City.
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SPEAKER_02: First of all, you need you need to be dead.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh unlike this show, though, you have you have to wait five years.
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SPEAKER_02: But in five years, then they you put together a packet, basically, uh you're sponsoring a person, and you have to show that they have some sort of heroic virtue.
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SPEAKER_02: That's that stage is called heroic virtue.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And after you've established that somebody has heroic virtue, then they do an investigation to see if you're venerable.
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SPEAKER_02: And venerable, uh, you have to uh show that this person lived a life that was um uh good purpose.
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SPEAKER_02: And during this process, there is actually a person appointed as part of this committee who's called a devil's advocate.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh that's where that term comes from.
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SPEAKER_02: And the devil's advocate is supposed to raise questions, raise objections, say, I don't think this person should be a saint because they did this and this and this in their younger life.
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SPEAKER_02: And they're the ones who's kind of advocating that the the the counter that this person should not be a saint.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, putting it to the test.
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SPEAKER_02: They also have to have documented that there was miracles, that there was a miracle, at least.
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SPEAKER_02: And a miracle is something that uh happens, that there's no other explanation for it.
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SPEAKER_02: It must have been divine intervention, that something something happens.
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SPEAKER_00: Walking on the water, raising the dead, any of that kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: Then the next stage, after that, they pass through that stage, is called the blessed stage, where they've they've blessed or blessed.
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SPEAKER_02: And then finally, the fifth stage is where there's a saint, and that's where a second miracle has to be investigated and confirmed.
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SPEAKER_02: Once you're confirmed to be a saint, you're canonized, and you are assigned a day, a feast day.
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SPEAKER_02: Every saint has a day and a feast day.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a Catholic church thing, and um, and then uh a thing about who you're responsible for, who you're the saint of.
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SPEAKER_02: So patron saint of Saint Valentine's Day is February 14th.
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SPEAKER_02: February 14th, and Saint Valentine is this patron saint of lovers and young people, but also the patron saint of beekeepers, patron saint of epilepsy, the patron saint of the plague.
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SPEAKER_02: Really?
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SPEAKER_02: The patron saint of fainting.
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SPEAKER_02: This is all according to the church.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so if you're an a beekeeper, it's like Valentine's Day every day, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: I did I didn't realize you could be the patron saint of so many things.
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SPEAKER_02: You've got I think they have like a number of things that they need saints for.
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SPEAKER_02: And then the next time they have a saint, they just say, All right, well, how about podcasts?
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SPEAKER_00: I want to be the patron saint of podcasts.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like I want to do love.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, then you're gonna have to also do beekeepers and epilepsy because nobody else wanted that.
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SPEAKER_02: So Saint Valentine was actually a clergyman or priest, uh, and um that's what he did during his life.
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SPEAKER_02: But then, do you know who the Roman Emperor was at the time?
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SPEAKER_02: Was it Caesar?
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SPEAKER_02: It was Claudius, Claudius, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And Claudius needed lots of dudes, he needed guys to fight for him for the army.
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SPEAKER_02: So he needed guys to be in the army, he needed to draft guys, and one thing that was getting in his way was people always getting married.
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SPEAKER_02: So he does, and plus, once they got married, they just weren't fierce anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: So he decided in order to get this army to build up this army that I need, I'm gonna ban weddings.
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SPEAKER_02: No more marriages, nobody can get married anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: And anybody that tries to perform wedding ceremonies, I'm gonna throw in jail.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, Valentine being the uh the uh the guy that he was, courtly love, uh the the guy known for courtly love, he would perform wedding ceremonies that were against the law.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, and he eventually got thrown in jail by uh Claudius and he kept doing it, he kept on performing these uh wedding ceremonies.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, after a while, everyone loved Valentine, and his the guy who's um his his jailer liked him.
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SPEAKER_02: He uh Claudius actually ended up liking him.
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SPEAKER_02: And Claudius said, Look, I'll let you out of jail as long as you renounce the church, as long as you renounce the Catholic Church.
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SPEAKER_02: And he said, No, not only am I not gonna renounce it, but I'm gonna teach you about Jesus.
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SPEAKER_02: And Claudius got so mad that he ordered Valentine to be beheaded, which is what you did back then.
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SPEAKER_00: So this is this was the martyr martyring of him.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: And then uh his jailer had a daughter, and he was Valentine had been teaching his daughter, and and um and she was blind.
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SPEAKER_02: He had been teaching teaching her, and she was blind, and he sent a card to her uh that he was gonna die and everything was gonna be okay, and at the end of the card, he wrote, From your Valentine.
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SPEAKER_02: And she was able to read that card even though she was blind, and that's a miracle that they talk about, and it's also the first Valentine's card ever written.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: From your Valentine.
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SPEAKER_02: It did not say be mine, it did not say uh any of these other silly uh did not say you slay me, did not say you choose, I choo-choo choose you.
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SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_02: But she was able to read that card.
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SPEAKER_02: Now it didn't make her have sight for the rest of her life.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was just that one time because it was from him and he was a saint, or he was destined to be a saint.
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SPEAKER_02: And I was never able to find anything about his second miracle.
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SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, court when we talk about courtly love, there was uh uh about a thousand years later, there were some people uh that wrote on uh courtly love and some rules of courtly love, and then uh there was like 31 rules, just like uh kind of Baskin Robbins uh the the yeah 31 rules of courtly love, and and here's some of the rules.
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SPEAKER_02: Um boys do not love until they arrive at the age of maturity.
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SPEAKER_02: So you can't like a crush is not like uh Ralph Wigum, that's not love.
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SPEAKER_02: That's not love.
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SPEAKER_02: Marriage is no real excuse for not loving.
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SPEAKER_02: I've been trying to pick that one apart for a while um since I read that, and I don't really get that one too much.
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SPEAKER_00: Marriage is no real excuse for loving.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe maybe because back in the day they had a lot more arranged marriages, and and maybe what they were saying was even if you're an arranged marriage, in an arranged marriage, you still should love.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, probably.
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SPEAKER_02: I like this one.
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SPEAKER_02: The easy attainment of love makes it of little value, difficulty of attainment makes it prized.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: You believe in that?
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SPEAKER_00: I like that one.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, definitely.
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SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
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SPEAKER_02: A man in love is always apprehensive.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know about that.
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SPEAKER_02: You're always getting torn between two different things.
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SPEAKER_02: A true lover is constantly and without intermission possessed by the thought of his beloved.
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SPEAKER_02: He who is jealous cannot love.
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SPEAKER_02: And finally, no one can be bound by a double love.
18:07
SPEAKER_00: Uh it sounds like a foreigner song.
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SPEAKER_02: Kind of does it kind of does.
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SPEAKER_02: Um all right, so so you know, St.
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SPEAKER_02: Valentine didn't have uh a super long uh and storied career where there was all kinds of great and interesting things that happened to him.
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SPEAKER_02: He was known for performing marriages when they were illegal, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And I don't know how the beekeeper thing got in there.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, I don't know how epilepsy got in there, I don't know how fainting got in there, but uh, but he was known for this this this miracle and keeping basically keeping love alive though in the world.
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SPEAKER_02: And he was known all over the all over the world for for this.
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SPEAKER_00: So do did you in your studies and your um trips to to Rome, did you uh read anything about the festival of uh Lupercalia?
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SPEAKER_00: No, tell me.
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SPEAKER_00: So something that I read that I thought was really interesting was about how St.
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SPEAKER_00: Valentine's Day came to be, February 14th, and it had to do with this pagan festival, you know, because during that time uh Romans were pagans, you know, they weren't they weren't Christians, and that's part of why um Saint Valentine was uh persecuted.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, the festival took place in mid-February, you know, what would have been mid-February, and it was a feast called Lupercalia.
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SPEAKER_00: It's L-U-P-E-R-C-A-L-I-A.
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SPEAKER_00: And during this thing, um the men would sacrifice a goat and a dog, and then they would whip the women with the hides of the dead animals.
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SPEAKER_00: And this was supposed to um uh help with fertility to make more fertile.
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SPEAKER_02: So might we do a fact check on that?
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SPEAKER_00: Then the women, then the women would line up and whip the men for their own fertility with the with the hides of these dead animals.
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SPEAKER_00: So basically, um the church was not into this, right?
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SPEAKER_00: The Christian church, the Catholic Church especially did not believe that um this should be a thing that was going on.
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SPEAKER_00: So they kind of changed this festival.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, and also there was a part of the um Luper Lupercalia, they would get a jar, put everybody's name in it, and then they would draw names, and the couples would become a match if they drew the two names.
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SPEAKER_00: So rather than doing this weird pagan thing, the the the Catholic Church decided St.
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SPEAKER_00: Valentine's Day should be February 14th and take the place of this.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, this was something that was uh um, I mean, the I think the festival of Lupicaria was something that was pretty famous, Luper Lupercalia, but whether or not it became St.
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SPEAKER_00: Valentine's Day is a little bit up in the air.
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SPEAKER_00: But eventually part of what fueled it was Chaucer and Shakespeare were both romantics and really felt like um, you know, in their writing style, they romanticized St.
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SPEAKER_00: Valentine's Day.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: It sounds to me like the the uh festival was kind of like a swingers party, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, they said everybody was drunk and naked at at this thing.
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SPEAKER_02: And then they wanted it to be love to be more um more uh well more courtly.
21:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, do you know who Cupid was?
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SPEAKER_02: Cupid was an angel, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Cupid was actually part of Roman mythology.
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SPEAKER_02: He was um Venus's child, Venus's son.
21:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And Venus, as we know, from um Bananarama uh was the goddess of love.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: Goddess on the mountaintop.
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SPEAKER_02: And in in the Greek mythology, he was uh Cupid was known as Eros.
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SPEAKER_00: Eros, yep, yep, I've heard that.
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SPEAKER_02: Cupid, you know, he has the arrows, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: The arrows on his back, and he has two sets of arrows.
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SPEAKER_02: He had gold tip arrows, which he shoot and he makes people fall in love.
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SPEAKER_02: But did you know there was another set of arrows that were silver tipped and he can make people fall out of love or even hate each other?
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SPEAKER_02: Did you know that?
22:32
SPEAKER_00: No, but I a total aside, um, many years ago I had a friend who was uh starting a band and he was looking for names for the band, and one of the one of the names that we came up with and brainstormed was silver tip.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
22:51
SPEAKER_00: I don't know why that just came back to me.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: But what would happen?
22:55
SPEAKER_00: They would fall out of love.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or even you could make someone hate somebody.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: So so that's kind of weird because gold and silver silver aren't actually opposites, they're kind of two of the same thing, just you know, precious metals.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: I think it'd be like poo poo-tipped, you know.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: You you dip it in some poo or something, and that that but okay.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: Well, according to mythology, so remember Apollo?
23:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he had the shoes with the wings.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: So he Apollo was he was real um you know, arrogant, and he was bragging, he won a battle and he was bragging about himself, and Cupid was annoyed, so he uh he was bragging to Cupid, like I'm all this, and you know, I'm better than you.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: And so Cupid shot him with an arrow, a gold arrow, and he fell in love, made him fall in love with the first person he saw, which was Daphne.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: Then then he hit Daphne with a silver silver arrow.
23:51
SPEAKER_02: So she'd hate Apollo.
23:54
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
23:54
SPEAKER_02: So then, because he wanted to get back at Apollo for being such a jerk.
23:59
SPEAKER_02: So in that story, Apollo learned that the worst thing you could have in life, you could have everything, but the worst thing to have is unrequited love.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
24:09
SPEAKER_02: You just love somebody who doesn't love you back, and she couldn't love them back because she was shot with the silver tip.
24:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was it was impossible, and he wouldn't stop stalking her and chasing her.
24:18
SPEAKER_02: So she went to her father and said, This guy's constantly stalking me, I don't like him.
24:25
SPEAKER_02: And he solved that by turning her into a laurel tree.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so he was heartbroken, Apollo was, but he loved her so much that he still adorned himself with laurels, like a laurel wreath at his head after every victory.
24:42
SPEAKER_02: And that's why when you see toga parties and people are dressed up and they have the little uh head thing, that's from Apollo wearing the laurel leaf because he loved uh Daphne so much because of Cupid playing that kind of uh really uh kind of immature prank when you think about it.
25:00
SPEAKER_00: And then and then they named uh the hottest girl in Scooby-Doo after her.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: Daphne.
25:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that name, Daphne.
25:07
SPEAKER_02: I wish that was more of a popular name.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:11
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25:15
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25:16
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25:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Love it.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: So a couple of uh questions andor thoughts on that.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: First of all, Cupid.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, so he'd had no real association with St.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: Valentine.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Just both have to do with love, but that's coincidence.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: Right.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: And I don't think they even they don't even really represent the same thing.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: Did they ever hang out?
25:41
SPEAKER_00: One was fiction and one was real, so no.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: If they fought, who do you think would win?
25:47
SPEAKER_00: Fought why would they fight?
25:48
SPEAKER_00: They're both lovers.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: No, so the silver arrow.
25:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, Cupid was armed, so he would win.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: But he wouldn't win, he would win by making you fall in love with somebody who doesn't love you.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: Okay, uh, I'm gonna jump jump track for just a second because I heard this and I I thought of you, uh, but I haven't told you about this yet.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, I was talking to a friend of mine, and he said he had this idea for a video game, and you know, Colonel Sanders made me think of this because I was telling him about um about Dirt Nap City and Colonel Sanders and the bad video game, I think that Chef Boy RD and Colonel Sanders were in.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: And he said, you know, I've always thought it would be cool to have a sort of um Mortal Kombat type game, but they're all all the characters are um fast food restaurant characters.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: So you'd have Ronald McDonald and you'd have uh Colonel Sanders and you'd have uh you know Shoney's big boy, and and they all and Wendy, you know, Wendy, yeah, they all fight, they all fight against each other.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: I was like, that is pretty pretty brilliant, you know.
26:59
SPEAKER_02: It is brilliant.
27:01
SPEAKER_02: The licensing, I would think, would be.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: That's what would stop it.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's but anyway, that's that's it aside.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: I just I just always want to know that's that's sort of a 10-year-old boy's question is well, who would win in a fight?
27:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:13
SPEAKER_02: Although, you know, in some of the sports video games, they do have you know Nike and Adidas and other products side by side in there.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: So it might be something you could pitch to somebody, as long as everybody had an equal chance of winning in the fight.
27:27
unknown: Yeah.
27:27
SPEAKER_02: You couldn't make it where Wendy would never win or Wendy's wouldn't go with it.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, Wendy would use her braids, her red braids to you know they grow and wrap around the neck or something.
27:37
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, yeah, I I I kind of agree with your assessment that Cupid would probably come out on top because he he does have a weapon, plus he can fly.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: I love the idea of Cupid, though, because that when you fall in love, that's exactly what it feels like.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: That you got shot by an arrow and no control.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: No control.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: Now, I didn't know about the silver-tipped arrows.
28:03
SPEAKER_02: That makes a lot of sense, too, though.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: That unrequited love is, as he knew, one of the most painful things that you can go through.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: Where you just ha uh uh really can't stop thinking about somebody and they don't uh have the same feelings.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: You just want to be requited.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: Please requite me.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: Now you know the most popular gift for Valentine's Day is sweets.
28:33
SPEAKER_02: Flowers is actually like number five on the list, but sweets is the number one thing.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: And you mentioned earlier that um be mine, right?
28:43
SPEAKER_02: Do you know then those candies are called sweetheart candies?
28:47
SPEAKER_02: And they used to be made by the Neko company.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Neko?
28:51
SPEAKER_02: NECO, any CCO.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: So I I looked up um according to CandyStore.com's annual report from 2022, most recent Valentine's Day report, the most popular candies.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: Do you have the same uh survey or a different version of it?
29:09
SPEAKER_00: No, no, hit me.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: So in seven, they do it nationally in the US.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: So 17 states, um, the most popular candy is heart-shaped boxes of chocolates.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: Of course, yeah.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: For Valentine's.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh in 12 states, it's um conversation hearts, which are the little hearts with the the names on them.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: Maybe those are the Neko ones, you know, with B Mine and Bestie and Cutie Pie.
29:35
SPEAKER_02: Those are called conversation, okay.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: That's what they called them.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: And then uh in nine states, it's MMs.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: Different types.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: By the way, I was just in Toronto uh last week, and I found a packet of MMs that was a mix of plain MMs, peanut MMs, and peanut butter MMs.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen that?
29:57
SPEAKER_02: No, no.
29:58
SPEAKER_02: Where is it was it just random or by color?
30:01
SPEAKER_02: Like would you know which one you just random?
30:03
SPEAKER_02: No, just random.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: Like all different colors, all three.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, because I do like plain MMs sometimes.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: I do like peanut MM sometimes, and I like peanut butter MMs sometimes.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: But you don't want a whole bag of each.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: No, no.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm mixing up a little.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: So so I'm not sure if if those were counted in these nine states that picked MMs.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then chocolate and roses um goes down to five states and Hershey's Kisses tied for last place five states.
30:30
SPEAKER_02: Oh that that's a perfect Valentine's gift, though.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: Hershey's Kisses?
30:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: Now those those sweetheart candies that we were talking about, um, they uh that NECO company actually declared bankruptcy in 2018.
30:47
SPEAKER_02: Oh and the plant closed and they sold off the candy, and uh the Spangler company bought it, but because they bought it and the factory had closed in 2019, they were setting up a new plant and they actually they weren't available in 2019.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: They they retooled it, returned in 2020.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh I but you know those those Neko candies I think were not I don't think Neko knew what they had.
31:17
SPEAKER_02: I don't think they knew how popular they really were.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're they're they're very uh culturally significant.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: Very in in this country they are, and every year they retire different sayings.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh the the CEO uh in the 90s wanted to update some of the the sayings and retire others.
31:37
SPEAKER_02: He decided that we wanted to get hipper with it, so they retired some.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: And I don't know what's funnier, the ones they retired or the ones that they that are the new uh kind of modern terms.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: But it's funny because I I actually I actually as part of my research, I've I don't know if it's the same list, but I have a list, I have a list of um sayings from those candies.
31:58
SPEAKER_00: One of them, sweet pea.
32:01
SPEAKER_00: Sweet pea.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: I don't see that that's one of the retired ones.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: They might still have that one out there.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:07
SPEAKER_02: And you know, the F and the P uh sometimes the uh the the uh F will look like a P.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: Well the printing on those things is horrible.
32:18
SPEAKER_02: Printing is terrible, and one of the ones they they tried to do for a minute was pucker up, but that didn't work.
32:31
SPEAKER_02: No, it didn't work.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: They had to rey to retool that one.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: They always use uh now, even before texting, they used the the the letter U and R.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: Right.
32:41
SPEAKER_02: So like UR cute was one because it was five letters at the top and four letters.
32:46
SPEAKER_02: First first row was five letters, the second row is four letters.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they didn't have a lot of real estate to work with.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: No, no, and then the and then those cheap printing presses and whatever they used, yeah, where the P's and the F's get confused, and yeah.
32:59
SPEAKER_00: No, I I've always and and those things don't even taste all that good, they're kind of chalky.
33:04
SPEAKER_02: No, but you but you you know they're they're they're I was mad to find out that they had went bankrupt.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: Huh.
33:11
SPEAKER_02: Um do you want to hear some of the retired ones?
33:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: Let's hear the hip ones, or yeah, let's hear the retired one first, and then what did this guy thought was hipper than that in the 90s?
33:21
SPEAKER_02: So some of the retired ones were some of the more outdated sayings of like the 50s, and like dig me.
33:30
SPEAKER_02: You dig saucy boy.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: I think if you wait long enough, these would come back around.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: I think so too.
33:39
SPEAKER_00: Um how about Groovy?
33:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, that's that's sort of trapped in time.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: Cool dude?
33:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
33:47
SPEAKER_02: Now this one um is very dated.
33:50
SPEAKER_02: Fax me?
33:53
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that was ever really uh uh that was one of those cool dude uh those 1990s uh that was the 1990s.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: We have fax machines now.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: Fax me.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: There was a there was one that said you are late.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: Maybe it was supposed to be you are something different, and it it just looked like late.
34:15
SPEAKER_00: Maybe like fate.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: You are fate, like my fate.
34:19
SPEAKER_02: There was one that said uh you rock.
34:22
SPEAKER_02: I kind of like that one.
34:23
SPEAKER_02: I think they should keep that one out there.
34:25
SPEAKER_02: This one wasn't as good.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: Let's read.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that was ever a cool thing to put.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: And then finally, there was one that said, and I'm not making this up, um, but it was retired, and I found this in lots of different sources with no explanation to this, but it was retired.
34:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh, one that said, you are gay.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, the word the word has a different meaning over time.
34:55
SPEAKER_02: Now this year's batches, they have new ones.
34:58
SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, the well, let me let me go back.
35:01
SPEAKER_02: Let's see, the the ones from the 90s, uh call me, email me, oh yeah, fax me.
35:07
SPEAKER_02: Fax me, yeah.
35:08
SPEAKER_02: Um now we have, and they haven't learned because now it's uh text me.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh you are hot, and L-O-M-L, love of my life.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: L-O, okay.
35:26
SPEAKER_02: But like I said, uh pucker up uh never made it.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: I I think I might even like if I had gotten that, I might have even like taken a uh uh eraser or something and and you know adjusted it.
35:40
SPEAKER_02: Here you go.
35:41
SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure, sure.
35:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't love those candies, like you say, but they're uh integral part of uh of Valentine's day.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: And they don't, I don't think they ever go bad or melt, right?
35:54
SPEAKER_00: They're very hardy.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess you could crush them, but but it's not like chocolates where if you leave it in your car or you leave it in the heat.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: They're just chalky nonsense, right?
36:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, very uh what's your favorite love song of all time?
36:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, there's I was just thinking about love songs.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: Um have you ever heard the song Is That Love by Squeeze?
36:16
SPEAKER_00: You left my ring by the coat.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: Now is that love?
36:21
SPEAKER_00: Clean probably half.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: That's a great song.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh Lover's Rock by The Clash.
36:26
SPEAKER_00: You know that one?
36:28
SPEAKER_00: No.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's on, I think that's on uh London Calling.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: It's called Lover's Rock.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, those would be two of them.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: What about you?
36:36
SPEAKER_02: I kind of like the song.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, I kind of like the song Friday I'm in love.
36:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:43
SPEAKER_02: It's just a kind of a poppy, very, very happy song for the cure.
36:47
SPEAKER_02: It very is a happy song, but kind of uh to me mimics the feeling that you have when you're in love.
36:54
SPEAKER_02: Just that, you know.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: You know, you you kind of you kind of turned me on to the cure in college.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, I had never been a fan.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: I I I was, you know, kind of punk rock and didn't didn't like anything with synthesizers or big hair or earrings or anything like that, just because I didn't think it was punk rock enough.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: Although earrings are kind of punk rock, so contradiction.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: But I remember you had a roommate at your dorm named Brennan or Brendan.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: And I remember we were in your dorm room listening to 1015 on a Saturday night, and you were air drumming and like and lip syncing the whole thing.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: Annoying him.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh what's that?
37:33
SPEAKER_00: I was annoying Brendan.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: And and that, you know, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: And you were just like, you were just doing the and that moment is the moment that I kind of thought, I gotta check out the cure.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: And I listen to the cure a lot now.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: And they have gotten better over time.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, they they also have uh don't they have a song called uh Love Song?
37:52
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: And uh Friday I'm in love, which i it's an okay song.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: It's it is a little too poppy for me, I think.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: But um what's uh Just Like Heaven?
38:02
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of a love song, yeah, yeah.
38:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:05
SPEAKER_02: I like the Queen song, You're My Best Friend.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: I think that's a great love song.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, you're making me live.
38:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just think that's the I think that one and Friday I'm in love, like I say, they kind of replicate that feeling of being in in love and what that's a fancy little thing called Love also has that sort of has that sort of um 50s vibe to it, you know, that sort of rockabilly vibe.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: Um I I just funny thing about that song, when I first got my car stereo in my Buick, you remember my Buick?
38:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, that was one of the first songs I played on the cassette player.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: Was because it sounded so good.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: It was very, very trebly, like had a lot of high-end anyway.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: Crazy little thing I'll love.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
38:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh at my wedding, we played uh It Had to Be You was our song.
39:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: Kind of an old standard.
39:02
SPEAKER_02: I love that song.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: Is that uh is that Sinatra?
39:04
SPEAKER_02: Uh he he had done it.
39:06
SPEAKER_02: I don't know who actually wrote the song, but yeah, it's one of those old standards.
39:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh and then I like the George Harrison uh uh Beatles uh song, Something in the Way She Moves.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: I always thought that um and uh so George Harrison and then Eric Clapton uh uh later sang that too.
39:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh uh yeah.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: Um those are those are some of the ones that I'm into.
39:29
SPEAKER_02: I was looking for kind of a definitive list, like a Rolling Stone list of the greatest love songs, and I couldn't find that.
39:36
SPEAKER_02: And it seems like everybody out there has a list of the greatest love songs, and most of them fall short for me.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, there's a really obvious love song where it says the word love a lot, and then I will always love you, right?
39:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's that's very on the nose, right?
39:52
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: But but then there's but then there's also love songs that are a lot darker or don't even mention the word, you know, but they're still I mean, kind of if you think about it, everything is kind of about love, right?
40:05
SPEAKER_00: It's all about um the the whole world love, money, power.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, those are the things that kind of make the world there there aren't a lot of categories for songs um when you break it down, and love is probably at least a third of every song written.
40:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, except for weird owl songs, and almost none of them are no, I love Rocky Road.
40:25
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
40:26
SPEAKER_00: I love Rocky Road.
40:29
SPEAKER_02: I think that it's about for me, it's about this idea of courtly love.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: Um and I don't know if any court Courtney Love, what's the greatest Courtney Love love song?
40:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, I have Hole's greatest hits, and uh I'd have to say my favorite, uh I don't know.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, no, what you know, with you and your wife having been married for a number of years, as have I was 30 years, Kelly.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: What what is Valentine's Day?
40:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, do you guys acknowledge it?
41:01
SPEAKER_00: Do you do you make it a point to go on a date?
41:03
SPEAKER_00: Do you make it a point or because I'll I'll tell you my answer first, only because it'll give you context.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: My wife has always hated Valentine's Day, she sees it as a fabricated thing, and and I agree.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, just show people you love them every day.
41:19
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to be told to set aside a day for it.
41:22
SPEAKER_00: Now, like, but other people I know are super romantic and like, you know, they wouldn't think of not bringing their wife flowers on Valentine's Day.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: Whereas my wife would appreciate flowers on any day except Valentine's Day because she feels like I was forced to do it on that day.
41:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm kind of like you.
41:38
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think we established early on, which takes us off the hook, let's face it.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's a lot of pressure to have to, you know, you can't get it, you can't get in a restaurant.
41:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, the uh flower places set up like a tent in the supermarket.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: And they jack up the prices, you know, everything's prices.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: Everything's three times as expensive.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: And so I could honey, if if I wait a day, I could get you three times as many flowers.
42:04
SPEAKER_02: However, I think if you just treat it like another day and don't even mention it, don't even like, oh, by the way, you know, happy Valentine's Day.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh I think if you play it off too cool, it could hurt some feelings.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: Happy Luper Cali lupercalia.
42:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:25
SPEAKER_02: I think it would be a tough day to have as a birthday because I think everybody's trying to go out and do their your thing on your birthday.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: That would be tough.
42:33
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I think I don't have a lot of pressure on Valentine's Day, but uh I I do feel pressure to at least, you know, make something special and do something nice for her that day, you know.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: So I say all that about you know not caring about it.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: However, uh, sort of ironically, that was the day I proposed to my wife.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: Was we we went on a bike ride and it was Valentine's Day.
43:00
SPEAKER_01: That's when she told you she hates Valentine's Day.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: First of all, hell no.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: And second of all, you got it all right.
43:06
SPEAKER_01: That's why she hates Valentine's Day.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: No, she she she didn't say she didn't mention that on that day.
43:11
SPEAKER_00: I already knew that, actually.
43:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think she had a group of friends that had like an anti-Valentine's party, um, you know, and and listened to my bloody Valentine.
43:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: No, I would say, I would say that do something nice for her on that day.
43:29
SPEAKER_02: You know, fill take her car, fill it up with gas.
43:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh, make her life easier for that day.
43:35
SPEAKER_02: You know, something something small, something nice, something thoughtful.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: Something courtly.
43:41
SPEAKER_02: Something courtly, exactly.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: Full circles.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: What about romantic movies?
43:48
SPEAKER_02: Oh goodness.
43:49
SPEAKER_02: Can you think of any offhand?
43:50
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you have your you know, cheap rom coms, you know, your when Harry met Sally, those kinds of things.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: A big Greek wedding comes to mind.
43:58
SPEAKER_00: You like that one?
43:59
SPEAKER_00: I do.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: It's a funny movie.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: My the most romantic movie, and it's not, I don't even think it's I don't even know if it's a good movie because I haven't seen it.
44:08
SPEAKER_02: Don't say ghost.
44:10
SPEAKER_02: No, it was a little scene movie that at the time I thought was amazing, but nobody talks about this movie ever, so it's probably not good, but I just remember thinking it's pretty cool at the time.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: And that was a movie, I think it came out like 1992 called Prelude to a Kiss.
44:31
SPEAKER_02: Have you ever seen that movie or heard about that movie?
44:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've heard I've heard of it.
44:35
SPEAKER_02: It was Alec Baldwin and Meg Ryan.
44:38
SPEAKER_02: So right right away, you're like going down traditional rom-com stuff.
44:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:44
SPEAKER_02: Except they got they fell in love, they got married, and then there was this old man at the wedding, and he was he said, Hey, can I just uh you know, I'll probably never kiss a woman again.
44:56
SPEAKER_02: Can I just have a kiss?
44:57
SPEAKER_02: And he kisses the bride, and somehow there's this weird shift where his soul goes into her and her soul goes into him.
45:06
SPEAKER_02: So Alec Baldwin's character and her they go on their honeymoon and she's not the same.
45:12
SPEAKER_02: Her soul has left her, and she doesn't realize it's like crusty old man.
45:16
SPEAKER_02: Well, she's not there, it's she's in the old man.
45:20
SPEAKER_02: Alec Baldwin, he's like, I'm not having a good time on this honeymoon with this woman that I had such a connection with.
45:27
SPEAKER_02: Then when he goes back to New York or wherever, he sees the old man again, and there's something about him that he's like instantly attracted to on this weird level, and it's kind of a cool thing about like what is love really, and can you you know he was attracted to this like 80-year-old man all of a sudden, but not in a sexual way, but like you couldn't stop being around him, and it was like it was just I thought it was cool at the time, I thought it would be a much more important and bigger movie, but I literally don't know anybody else that even likes this movie except for my wife.
46:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I also like the movie Sliding Doors.
46:09
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember that?
46:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, around kind of the multiverse, yeah.
46:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh, what happens in this?
46:14
SPEAKER_02: I I love those kind of movies when it comes to romantic movies about what if they had never actually met.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Right.
46:20
SPEAKER_02: And what is like what are you really attracted to?
46:23
SPEAKER_02: Are you attracted to somebody's soul?
46:25
SPEAKER_02: I I just like those kind of movies more than kind of like the music, more than kind of more on the nose movies.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a little a little more quirky, make you think about it, make you ponder some questions.
46:38
SPEAKER_00: It's always good when you kind of have to ask questions about the universe.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I also really love the musical um Moulin Rouge, um, they came out about 20 years ago or so.
46:51
SPEAKER_02: Um Bas Lerman.
46:53
SPEAKER_02: I really dig that.
46:55
SPEAKER_02: It was very it was very romantic, uh, very romantic movie.
47:00
SPEAKER_02: Do you know what the longest marriage?
47:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh the the people that have been the how long the longest marriage was?
47:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I know that uh Prince Philip and uh Queen Elizabeth were married for a long, long time.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: But I think you're right.
47:16
SPEAKER_02: I think they were married over 75 years.
47:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:19
SPEAKER_02: There's been about 20 marriages in history that have lasted more than 80 years, but one of them I don't personally recognize.
47:28
SPEAKER_02: One of them they were cousins and they were married at five years old.
47:32
SPEAKER_02: And um, I don't personally recognize that one.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: I don't think that's a real marriage.
47:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh, no offense if the if you're listening.
47:39
SPEAKER_02: The the longest current one is the GLADU's, and they were married, um, they're uh Americans.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: They were married on May 25th, 1940, and they're still kicking it.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
47:51
SPEAKER_02: And then I wanted to know what was the longest marriage that ended in divorce?
47:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
47:58
SPEAKER_00: What what why would you um why would you get divorced when you're 95 years old?
48:02
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: You get to a point and it's probably easy, you just stay alive.
48:05
SPEAKER_02: But there was a couple in Italy, he was 99, she was seven, uh, they had been married for 77 years, and he when they're they've been married 77 years, and he found out that she had had an affair 60 years earlier, and he said, That's it.
48:21
SPEAKER_02: Wow for divorce.
48:23
SPEAKER_02: He was 99 years old, and he couldn't he couldn't handle that, man.
48:27
SPEAKER_02: It was 60 years ago, but it still hurt him, so he filed for a divorce.
48:31
SPEAKER_00: So so much of marriage is about forgiveness.
48:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
48:35
SPEAKER_02: Do you know the average cost of a wedding these days?
48:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm gonna say fifty thousand dollars.
48:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thirty, thirty, twenty-eight thousand dollars.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, with the most uh popular days uh being in September, June, October.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: It's expensive to get married, man.
48:54
SPEAKER_02: $28,000.
48:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh my daughter's friend just recently went to a Indian wedding, and she said that someone told her that that wedding was like$150,000.
49:06
SPEAKER_00: It was multiple days, you know.
49:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
49:09
SPEAKER_00: And they they had uh you know, they had different costumes and outfits for every different thing they did, and lots of meals and lots of jewelry.
49:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it sounds yeah.
49:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean that that's a business to be in, right?
49:22
SPEAKER_00: If you if you could if you can make money, people are always getting married, they're always having babies, and they're always dying, you know.
49:29
SPEAKER_00: And so if you could have a shop where you took care of all three things at once, you could um birth the baby, uh, get the marriage and have the funeral, one-stop shop.
49:39
SPEAKER_02: It is sustainable.
49:41
SPEAKER_02: Uh, as long as I didn't have to go to weddings constantly.
49:44
SPEAKER_02: I think that would be although when we were about to get married, we did we were uh looking for a band and we actually got to go to some weddings where we didn't know the people just to look at the band.
49:57
SPEAKER_02: You're wedding crashers, yeah, and it was kind of fun.
50:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I was telling my wife, let's just get drunk and act like fools because nobody here knows this.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: Everybody thinks we're here for the other person, but uh she didn't take me up on that.
50:12
SPEAKER_02: I thought that would have been fun.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: She didn't do it.
50:14
SPEAKER_02: No, she she didn't do that, but um, you know, that's my take on love, Kelly.
50:19
SPEAKER_02: That's my take on love, everything love, St.
50:23
SPEAKER_02: Valentine, Cupid, Courtly Love.
50:26
SPEAKER_02: That's what I got today.
50:27
SPEAKER_00: Man, I no, I enjoyed it.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: I learned a lot.
50:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, I I hope everybody does have a great Valentine's Day.
50:33
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, there's nothing wrong with um putting a little more love out in the world.
50:37
SPEAKER_00: I think sometimes violence and hatred and revenge is more romanticized and glorified than love.
50:44
SPEAKER_00: But I think love is actually more powerful and it's what we should all be doing all the time.
50:49
SPEAKER_02: A lot of times love gets ridiculed as being cheesy, right?
50:53
SPEAKER_02: Or weak or weak, or something that we shouldn't we shouldn't show our feelings uh, but um, but no, I agree with you.
51:01
SPEAKER_02: That's the one thing that endures forever.
51:03
SPEAKER_02: So happy Valentine's out there to all of our listeners.
51:06
SPEAKER_02: Happy Valentine's Day.
51:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I hope you guys have a good one.
51:09
SPEAKER_00: I hope you get an awesome uh candy that says something really great like you are cute or fax me.
51:18
SPEAKER_02: And happy Valentine's Day to you, too, Kelly.
51:20
SPEAKER_02: Fax me.
51:22
SPEAKER_00: Fax me.
51:23
SPEAKER_02: Fucker up.
51:24
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Alex.
51:25
SPEAKER_00: Great episode.
51:26
SPEAKER_02: All right, everybody.
51:27
SPEAKER_02: Well, this has been another episode of Dirt Nap City, the show about interesting people who happen to be dead.
51:34
SPEAKER_02: In this case, dead for a very long time.
51:37
SPEAKER_02: But uh, we'll see you in two weeks with an episode where one of us won't know who the other person is talking about.
51:44
SPEAKER_02: Take care.
51:45
SPEAKER_02: Bye.