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2026 Route 666! HALLOWEEN THROWBACKS: Franklin Castle! · Cosmic Peach

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Halloween, everyone! 2026, get your kicks on Route 666.
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: Happy the fuck Halloween, guys. I hope you find these
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  Speaker 2: little Halloween throwbacks as entertaining and spooktacular as I do.
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  Speaker 2: They're sure to send a chill down your taint. Maybe
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: you'll laugh till you faint. Anything is possible. This is
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  Speaker 2: my absolute favorite time of year. I take great pleasure
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  Speaker 2: in presenting these spooky cosmic peach classics. And again, I
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  Speaker 2: hope you enjoy each and every one of them. Now
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  Speaker 2: let's take a trip down Route 666.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to another.
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  Speaker 1: Edition of Cleveland Schwill. And I hope that you are
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  Speaker 1: all tucked in and cozy in your beds. Because let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you something. We're about to scare the literal
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  Speaker 1: shit out of you.
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  Speaker 4: Literal shit!
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  Speaker 5: Hey, this is a spot where you have to.
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  Speaker 1: If you're driving, don't look in the backseat. There's probably
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  Speaker 1: a ghost. Don't look in the rearview mirror. There's a
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  Speaker 1: ghost in the car. That's what we're talking about right
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  Speaker 1: now on the English level because... This episode is haunted
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  Speaker 1: and I have with me co-host Dave Hamilton. Dave, how
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  Speaker 1: are you since you've been to the, to the low,
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  Speaker 1: the undisclosed location we're about to discuss?
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  Speaker 5: Uh, yeah, I, well, I'm not going to be the
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  Speaker 5: one to disclose anything. I, I just know I'm happy
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  Speaker 5: to be here. Happy to be alive, to have survived it. Um,
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  Speaker 5: I've been getting a lot of comments about a photograph
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  Speaker 5: of me that was taken laying down in front of
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  Speaker 5: a fireplace. And so we'll get into that maybe a
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  Speaker 5: little bit. But yeah, this is awesome. And we've got
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  Speaker 5: an even special guest today. So this is going to
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  Speaker 5: be awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we do. Somebody came into town, into Cleveland, into
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland's Ohio City.
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  Speaker 5: Almost.
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  Speaker 1: particularly for this residence. This residence happens to be on
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  Speaker 1: Franklin Avenue. And it was built in the 1800s, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit after or during the Civil War, or a
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  Speaker 1: little bit after the Civil War. No, it was after
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  Speaker 1: the Civil War. We have Cosmic Peach back with us.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 4: What is up, Brian? I got the goose pimples already.
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  Speaker 4: I look like a featherless chicken over here, Brian. I
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  Speaker 4: can't wait to get into tonight's episode.
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  Speaker 1: I know. We're actually doing a dual episode, so this
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  Speaker 1: is going to air on your feed and on my feed,
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  Speaker 1: and this is going to be very interesting. But considering
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  Speaker 1: it pertains to Cleveland, and we all partaked in the event,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't leave it off my channel.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely. And I want to ask you, Brian, what
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  Speaker 4: are you sipping on tonight?
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  Speaker 1: That's a great question. Most people don't ask me that.
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  Speaker 1: I actually picked up something from a new brewery and
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  Speaker 1: it's something that I actually need. So this brewery is
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  Speaker 1: called mad tree. And I found out mad tree brewery
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  Speaker 1: is out of Cincinnati. Um, The beer is an IPA. Surprise, surprise.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Psycho or Psychopathy or Psychopathy. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how to pronounce it, but I probably should be diagnosed
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  Speaker 1: with it. So let me go ahead and take it simple.
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  Speaker 4: Hell yeah. That's perfect for our episode tonight. We are
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  Speaker 4: talking about some psycho stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we are. We most definitely are. Now, did you
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  Speaker 1: bring a beverage with you?
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  Speaker 4: I did. I do have a beverage. I'll show it
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  Speaker 4: to you first, and then you can guess what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like milk. Right?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so it looks like milk, but it is an
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  Speaker 4: alcoholic beverage. I'll give you guys one guess what it is.
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  Speaker 1: White Russian.
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  Speaker 4: I am drinking Living Jewel Sake.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 4: Sake. That's right. It is a Japanese delicacy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like a milky wine, but it's so delicious. Brian,
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  Speaker 4: get that fucking look off your face. It is so good.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you, do you guys don't want to
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  Speaker 1: know what I think it looks like?
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  Speaker 5: Do you heat it up or do you drink it cold?
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  Speaker 4: Served chilled over ice.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Nice. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: And when I say over ice, they usually bring it
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  Speaker 4: to you at the restaurant in a bucket of ice.
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  Speaker 4: And you just take the bottle, pour a little in
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  Speaker 4: your glass, and then stick it back in the ice bucket.
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  Speaker 4: And they have all different kinds of sake that aren't
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  Speaker 4: as milky as this one. But the alcohol content goes
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  Speaker 4: way low when you get away from these cloudy ones.
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  Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is the cloudy ones are
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  Speaker 1: the ones that bring a smile to everyone's face.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, including your own. I have to tell you, if
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  Speaker 4: you guys have never tried sake, you need to put
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  Speaker 4: it on your list because it is delicious. And Zachary
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  Speaker 4: actually turned me on to it because he loves anime
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  Speaker 4: and he's a big anime guy. And he was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I bet you'd like sake. And I was like, that
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  Speaker 4: sounds like... Like a trailer trash beer or something. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not drinking that.
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  Speaker 1: Soke.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have sake tonight. But I do know what
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  Speaker 5: sake is. And I've drank it many times. And I
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  Speaker 5: like it because you drink it and you kind of
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  Speaker 5: get wasted quickly.
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  Speaker 1: And then sort.
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  Speaker 5: Of over it.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: And it kind of disappears, and then you don't have, like,
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  Speaker 5: that I just drank a 12-pack of beer hangover or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I like about it. But, yes, good choice.
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  Speaker 5: And you've just, like, way one-upped anything anyone's ever drank
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  Speaker 5: on this show, I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 5: Yay.
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  Speaker 4: If you drink too much of it, though, you will
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  Speaker 4: get the splatty flatulence. So just be careful, those with
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  Speaker 4: the flatulence.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't want that.
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  Speaker 5: Arch, are you talking about your part?
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  Speaker 4: Right, what's that?
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  Speaker 5: No, I'm good. Well, listen, I do have a drink
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  Speaker 5: and I'm trying, I'm doing my best Brian impersonation tonight
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  Speaker 5: because I also have an IPA here. It's from Columbus Brewing,
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  Speaker 5: which everyone around here would know. And I think this
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  Speaker 5: is called like Bodhi or Bodhi. Can't really tell.
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  Speaker 1: Bodhi. Looks like it's going to be a good one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to crack this bad boy open.
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  Speaker 5: 8.3% alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll be slurring halfway through it. And yeah, here
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  Speaker 1: we go. Cheers. Cheers.
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  Speaker 4: Cheers.
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  Speaker 5: Cleveland Schwill, Cosmic Peach.
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  Speaker 1: This is awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Bottoms up, everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the building that we're speaking of, top secret.
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  Speaker 1: And if you saw the title of the episode, you
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  Speaker 1: already know what it is. But we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: a very famous building right here in Cleveland, the Franklin Castle,
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  Speaker 1: which Hans Tiedemann owned way, way back in the 1880s.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was the one who built it in
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  Speaker 1: Ohio City there. And we got ourselves a tour, ladies
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  Speaker 1: and gentlemen. We got ourselves a tour. Dave was there.
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  Speaker 1: Julia was there. I was there. Cosmic Peach was there.
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  Speaker 1: And it was... They left nothing to the imagination.
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  Speaker 5: Let's call it a tour and then some.
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  Speaker 4: A tour and then some fuckery.
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  Speaker 5: Because.
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  Speaker 6: Let's just let's start it off like this we're all
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  Speaker 6: standing outside this gorgeous establishment outside of the wrought iron
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  Speaker 6: gates and we're just so ready for this thing to
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  Speaker 6: get started i was on pins and needles everyone was
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  Speaker 6: on pins and needles and we.
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  Speaker 4: Meet our uh host for the night Our tour guide
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  Speaker 4: and he comes and he lets us in and we're
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  Speaker 4: all very excited to meet him. And I distinctly remember
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  Speaker 4: him being a little bit disheveled and a little bit
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  Speaker 4: like I just woke up from a two hour long
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  Speaker 4: power nap.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know, David, what's your first impression of
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  Speaker 4: our host?
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  Speaker 5: My first impression was I was intrigued, to be honest
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  Speaker 5: with you. And for the first half hour, I was
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  Speaker 5: sort of really enjoying him. But right away, the clock,
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  Speaker 5: the internal clock in my head, and people who know
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  Speaker 5: me and are close to me know that I get timeframes.
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  Speaker 5: I'm weird about timeframes. And if I'm told something I need,
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  Speaker 5: then it needs to be that. And for like the
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  Speaker 5: first half hour of this, I was digging on this
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  Speaker 5: guy's stories and he seemed cool.
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  Speaker 1: You're right.
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  Speaker 5: The disheveled look was kind of cool and little bourbon
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  Speaker 5: on his breath.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: It was like, this is like an authentic cool. This
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  Speaker 5: is who you want showing you around this place.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: That was my first impression.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like home book. Homeboy's been drinking. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I thought.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like we're about to have a good time. He's
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  Speaker 4: nice and loosened up and ready to go.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is good.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you know what, though? That's just I hate
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  Speaker 1: to say it. That's my stereotype of Europeans. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like they're always drinking.
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  Speaker 4: It's like five different types of patterns like corduroy and
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  Speaker 4: some other checkered. He had on like 17 different patterns.
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  Speaker 4: And it was like, my brother had his ticket on
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  Speaker 4: his other phone. So he let everybody else in the gate.
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  Speaker 4: And so you ran back out to your car to
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  Speaker 4: get your other phone. And he was like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 4: we will wait for him. And then we all go
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  Speaker 4: in the house and he doesn't even check that you
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  Speaker 4: have the, he just lets you back in. You could
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  Speaker 4: have totally just been bullshitting that you had the ticket
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  Speaker 4: at all.
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  Speaker 1: Would have thought about it.
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  Speaker 5: And, and looking back on it too, I realized now
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  Speaker 5: he would go from like very nonchalant to like super
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  Speaker 5: serious in like quickly.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: He's saying, we're going around the castle and it's beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: And Oh, look at this. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: And you'd just be like, there was like no in between.
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  Speaker 5: It was a super nonchalant or you're kicked out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because so the first room that we're escorted into,
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  Speaker 4: we go through this beautiful little entryway and it breaks
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  Speaker 4: off into a double living room is what it looks
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  Speaker 4: like to me. It's like definitely like a smoking lounge
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  Speaker 4: type of area. And they've painted the walls red. They
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  Speaker 4: have some silly looking spider webby thing moment happening. And
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  Speaker 4: I actually thought it smelled like kind of like sage
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  Speaker 4: or they were burning like incense.
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  Speaker 1: There was incense being burned for sure. Right.
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  Speaker 4: And it just added to the whole mystique of the room.
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  Speaker 4: And you're like, oh my gosh, this is going to
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  Speaker 4: be great. But then he goes, okay, you take photographs.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be back. And then he just slips off through
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  Speaker 4: a doorway, closes the door and he leaves us to
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  Speaker 4: our own devices for like, Would you say maybe 20 minutes?
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  Speaker 5: It was it was a good long while. And again,
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  Speaker 5: think about what you just said. He left us in
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  Speaker 5: this room for what? Maybe 20 minutes. This is supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be an hour tour. We were not out of
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  Speaker 5: the word. OK, we were in the first room where
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  Speaker 5: you said there's the incense. We go down into a stairway.
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  Speaker 5: We see a stairway.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you.
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  Speaker 5: It was a stairway. Then a little door opens up
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  Speaker 5: in the stairway and we're down in this room. And
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  Speaker 5: I think at that point we had been there for
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  Speaker 5: an hour already.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Technically the tour had not begun yet.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Let me just fill you in on how this is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to ruin the tour for anybody by
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  Speaker 1: saying this, but if anybody wants to do this tour,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing you got to understand is one, it's
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  Speaker 1: not an hour. There's no way it's an hour. This
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  Speaker 1: man is never going to do a one-hour tour. Also,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to know anything about ghost spirits, hauntings,
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  Speaker 1: this is not the tour for you.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to learn about architecture, this is the
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  Speaker 4: tour for you.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to know where one of the leaves
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  Speaker 1: fell in the backyard 30 years ago, and how it's
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  Speaker 1: still there, and that it doesn't belong to any of
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  Speaker 1: the trees in the yard, and that maybe there's a
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  Speaker 1: mouse living under a rock somewhere in the house. This
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  Speaker 1: is the tour for you. Any information that you'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: that's completely irrelevant. Thank you for telling me. I wish
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  Speaker 1: I never knew that, and I will soon forget it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the type of tour you're going to be on.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes. And again, it's not that the things he
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  Speaker 5: says aren't to some degree interesting. But it's the wrong
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  Speaker 5: sort of thing you would think you'd be going in for.
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  Speaker 5: Like we were saying, he would occasionally mention a creepy
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  Speaker 5: story that there were bones found here or there was
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  Speaker 5: this or that. But if you said anything about paranormal
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  Speaker 5: or spirits or anything, he would do one of the
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  Speaker 5: real serious things.
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  Speaker 8: And he would be like, the house will tell you
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  Speaker 8: if it's haunted or not.
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  Speaker 5: Like weird, ethereal sort of philosophical things, but never actually
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  Speaker 5: say he would almost get mad if you would say
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  Speaker 5: the house was haunted, but then he would make the
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  Speaker 5: house have its own personality and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He would get mad if you, if you said the
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  Speaker 1: house was haunted, but then tell you that he's had
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  Speaker 1: conversations with no one for 15 minutes. I think that
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  Speaker 1: it was somebody else. Yes. And like, that's the kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing that the house would do.
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  Speaker 5: And what did you think of the video that went
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  Speaker 5: viral that they pulled down because it was just way
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  Speaker 5: too viral?
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  Speaker 4: There was like a servant in the background or something.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Somebody took a video in the basement in the servant's
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  Speaker 4: quarters where we were.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear you guys. Has you ever heard
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: of a video being taken? This was just too viral.
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  Speaker 1: We just couldn't handle it. It's just way too viral.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: We're getting way too much advertisement money on this thing, man.
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  Speaker 5: We just got to pull this thing down. I can't
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  Speaker 5: cash all these checks all at once.
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  Speaker 4: He even said they posted it onto their Facebook channel,
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  Speaker 4: and it was just going so crazy that they took
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  Speaker 4: their Facebook channel down.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. You don't just expand your bandwidth.
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  Speaker 5: No, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, you get all those followers. Not in Germany. He
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  Speaker 1: had like.
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  Speaker 4: This weird creepiness about him, like already. And then like
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  Speaker 4: Brian's sister, Kim leans over to me and she's like,
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  Speaker 4: she won't admit it, but she's totally into this shit.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: And she like leaned into me and she goes, what
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  Speaker 4: if the house really does choose the owner? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: think about it, Julie. He's German. And he just so
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  Speaker 4: happens to be eccentric enough to do this tour. And
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  Speaker 4: I was like looking at her and I was like, no.
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  Speaker 4: Do you really? Because he said everybody who moved in
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: moved out exactly two years later on the day.
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  Speaker 5: Except for him.
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  Speaker 1: If the house didn't want them.
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  Speaker 4: If the house didn't want them.
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  Speaker 1: So let's give them a little. Let me start from
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  Speaker 1: the beginning. We walked in. This is what you're going
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to expect. You're going to walk in. They're going to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: get the group together. I'm going to give you guys
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  Speaker 1: this whole tour that we saw in five minutes. This
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  Speaker 1: is what happens. All right. And we can talk about
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  Speaker 1: the details. You walk in. You smell alcohol on some breaths.
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  Speaker 1: You come in. Go into the front door. Some kind
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  Speaker 1: of ethereal music is playing. Incense is lit. Most of
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  Speaker 1: the lights in the house are off. Candles lit. You're
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  Speaker 1: kind of wondering the structure of the building. You're left
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  Speaker 1: to your own devices. You kind of just walk around
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  Speaker 1: for a minute in the rooms, get to know the
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  Speaker 1: people that you're going to be on the tour with
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  Speaker 1: if you talk to them. There's a dining room table
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  Speaker 1: and there's a few couches. You're free to sit anywhere
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  Speaker 1: you want. He comes back in the room. You're going
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to get a thing about a time machine. He's going
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: to talk about a time machine. He's going to talk
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: about stops along the time machine. This time machine is
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: about when the house is built. several of the different
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: owners that have the house. You leave that area when
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: he's done talking about the time machine, Granted, Dave filled
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: you in. We're already 50 minutes into the tour of
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: what you thought was going to be a one-hour tour
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  Speaker 1: by the time we go to the next room. Go
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  Speaker 1: into the next room. He starts asking you to knock
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  Speaker 1: on all the walls. Going to be knocking on some walls.
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  Speaker 1: Lo and behold, secret passageway. Boom, bam. Go down to the... Brian,
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  Speaker 1: just wait.
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  Speaker 4: The way you're describing it, you're going to knock out
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  Speaker 4: some walls, blow them all, secret pathway.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to go into it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Because I have to cut out the part where he's
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: asking you for 15 minutes straight. Look at this wood.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Look at this. Did you know this wood comes from
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the east side of Cleveland? Look at it. No. Stop.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Everything you're doing. Stop breathing. Hey, look at the wood.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: You missed one of the important details, though, for this
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: to make sense, which is his flashlight that hardly works.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, he has to press the button 17 times to
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: get it to the pointer.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: So he'll be like, look at this.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Ch-ch-ch.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, there it goes.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Look at this door hinge here.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: How many times did he make a stupid joke or
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: something where he'd be like, boy, if.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: I just would have invested in a new flashlight by now,
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: I was all ready to have this tool done by now.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: He said that like six times.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: It was only funny the first time because then we
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: were like, get that fucking flashlight out of here.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, I couldn't stand it. I couldn't stand it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, Brian, Brian, we're knocking on the door. We're knocking
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: on the walls. Lo and behold, secret passageway proceeds.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Very narrow stairway.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Which it should have actually had caution tape on it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think, if you're handicapped, I don't think you
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: should take this tour. I'm not saying that as a dick.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that in a rude way. If you
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: even have trouble walking, or if you're severely overweight, I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: wouldn't do the tour. You're going to kill yourself. That stairwell...
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that stairwell, my knees hurt looking at that stairwell. I
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: started going down and had to do one stair at
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: a time. It's this windy stairwell and the stairs are
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: like four inches wide. So you've got to put your
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: foot sideways. And it was an old servants stairwell. So
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the servants would stay in these quarters in the basement.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And if somebody knocked on the door, it was a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: secret passageway up to the front door. Um, But you're
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: in this basement and he's like, well, some pipes run
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: under here and it causes all sorts of humidity and condensation.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And then that heats up. You go down there, you
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: can't see shit. It is complete steam everywhere. Can't see
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: your hand in front of your face. Frankly, I don't
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: know what we were breathing in. I think it was hallucinogenics.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. Probably some sort of hallucinogenics.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: It's trying to make you think that the 17-hour tour
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you were just on is only five minutes.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Anybody need an inhaler? Anybody need an inhaler?
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Anybody here asthmatic?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to the tour. I mean, he just.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: But let's face it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: So, Brian.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: the next maneuver you and I both agree was really
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: just an excuse for him to leave the room to, to,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: to have some more, have some more spirits.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: That, that, you know, I'm starting to think the only
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: spirits that were in the Franklin castle were the ones
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: in his bourbon bottle.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: I will say that by the end of the tour,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: all like, all any anybody's ideas about what was going
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: on with the castle all the creepiness was really just
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: coming from him yeah all the stories were like because
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: brian said it all at once where it was just
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: it all hit us he's like are you real you've
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: got this german accent it's like are we being led
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: around this castle by a ghost right now is that
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: what's actually happening and honestly that was the most interesting
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: idea i had the entire time i was there was
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: that that ghost And he was leading us around there.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: And there was going to be a twist at the end.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: I wanted it to happen so bad. But really, the
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: twist was Brian just left.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Seriously, though. We're getting to that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: We're down there in this freaking misty, dusty basement. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: he leaves again for another, like, 20 minutes. And he's like,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: take some photos in this mirror. And then don't look now,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: check them later. And it's like, okay, but it didn't
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: take 20 minutes for all eight of us to take
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: a picture.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but before he slides out, he
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: tries to like leave you with something. I don't know
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: if this is philosophical or what, but he leaves you
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: with unanswered questions. So you'll be down there and there'll
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: be like a chair that looks like something you'd see
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: on Bulk Garbage Day on the side of the road.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And it's all beat up. And he's like, there's a
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: story behind this chair. And the story is extremely interesting.
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: And I'm not going to tell you what happens.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Bye. I remember him saying that. He's like, the story
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: behind this chair will give you chills up and down
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: your spine. Am I real? I don't know.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Bye.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: And then you'd say, is this place haunted?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: And he would say, how dare you?
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: How dare you even say that this place was haunted?
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: And you want to look at him.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And be like, you do realize each one of us
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: paid $ 35 because we believe this place is haunted. None
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of us give a flying fuck about Hans Tiedemann or
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: anybody else that's lived here. I mean, granted, it's kind
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of interesting. Yeah.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: One of the more interesting things he did say, though,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: is that there was a part of the room that's
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: like carved out in like a weird ornamental shape. And
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: he was like, does anybody know what they use this
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: part of the room for? And I was like thinking,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's kind of awkward. Maybe it was
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: like a smoking area or something like that. And then
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: he drops the bomb on us that they used to
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: prop up dead bodies to. And dress them up and
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: take photographs of them. And like have full displays of
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: the body.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Which is something that was common in the 1800s that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: we learned.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: That was crazy.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, that's just it. There were some really cool
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: things about the house, but we didn't need to hear
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: about each one for a half hour.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Or like a wallpaper.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: That that's basically the bottom line.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: If like Brian, if you just want to see a really,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: really cool place, go look at this place.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: You should. It's like it's got a really cool vibe.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you that you could make that place. If
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: you did an hour tour of that place with with
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: just the good stories and they edited it, it'd be
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: one of the best tours in Cleveland. No hands down. No,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: no question in my mind.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Dude, if they actually did keep that to an hour tour,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: you would love it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: You really would. You would love it. They got you
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: through that whole house in an hour. And he's like,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: they propped up the dead people. You know, like when
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: somebody died, his daughter died. They had the funeral here.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: You're standing where that happened, blah, blah, blah. People are like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. Oh, that's different. But then when you're walking
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: by and then you just walk right out of there
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and you go right down. He's like, start knocking on
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the walls. Oh, look, secret passage. I don't give a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: shit if the wood came from Afghanistan, dude. I don't
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: give a shit. Nobody gives a shit in Cleveland where
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that wood came from. The only way people care where
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the wood comes from is if it literally came from Cleveland.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, this particular builder in Cleveland. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: he said that for one part of it. I'm like,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting. But once you start getting into
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: where every little thing comes from, where every little hinge
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: on the door comes from, where every window paint comes from.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: That's interesting to you because you rebuilt the house, which
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: is awesome. And you rebuilt it from original floor plans.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: That's something you can bring up right then and there
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and tell everybody about. And you worked with the city
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of Cleveland. That stuff can be interesting. Yeah. But the extras,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you've got to know when to cut yourself off.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Give us one fact. I like the kind of tour guys. And,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: you know, now that I've been on this sort of
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: tour where it just went way, way too long. appreciate
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: those kind of tour guides now where they're kind of
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: dragging you around and if someone else was doing that
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: to her they'd be like and over there in that
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: corner they actually held funerals back in the 1800s that
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: was like a normal thing that they did but anyway
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: moving on we got lots to see like that's who
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: you want you want that person like hey you would
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: the back trying to vape moving on.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of that scene there was a scene
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: in gremlins too i think and it was a joke
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: on people that do like tours in places And I
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: never forgot it. I used to laugh at it. But
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: this is truly what this tour needed. And it would
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, they used to do some funerals over there.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: They'd put some coins over the eyes and everybody come
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and visit. We're moving. We're moving. We're all moving together.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: We're moving. Walk with me. We're moving. We're moving. We're moving.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: We're moving. That's what you need to do in that tour.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: That's exactly. Get the whole group. We're moving. We're moving. Everybody,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: we're moving over here. Come on. Let's go. It's just
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: nice and quick. And people, as long as they're interacting
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: with the house and with an individual and they're moving,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: they're going to be intrigued. They may even want more.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: They may even want another tour. Leave them wanting more, man. Exactly.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: That's the name of the game.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Speaking of wanting more, myself and our cousin had to
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: go to the bathroom and And that threw him off
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: because he didn't want us to go to the bathroom.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: And he was like, OK, you have to go to
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: the bathroom. And then after we got back, you, Brian,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: started telling an actually interesting story that everyone was super
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: captivated by. And that pissed him off.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: You could have heard a pin drop. And I was
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: telling that story.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Can you tell the story for the listeners tonight, especially
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: my listeners who have never heard it before?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, I will. And we actually told this story on
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Schwill Podcast. Yes. On our Halloween episode. And I'm
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: going to kind of just give it the gist. But
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: there is a cemetery, and I wish I could remember
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the name of it, but it's right where 71 and
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: 25th Street meet. It's an old cemetery. And on certain nights,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: there is a hitchhiker that hangs out outside the cemetery.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And this hitchhiker has been seen over the course, like
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: by several people over the course of like 80 years,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: 90 years. There's various tales of so many different people
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: in so many different time periods and so many different
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: decades picking up this hitchhiker. And the hitchhiker is always
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: described the exact same way. Victorian era type clothing. Very
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: neatly dressed. Looks to be affluent or wealthy. And they'll
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: get into the vehicle that they speak with a thick
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: German accent. And they ask to go to a particular
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: house off Franklin Avenue. And they will make small talk
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: with whoever is the driver. And then when they get
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: dropped off, they will take a few steps out of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the car and disappear. But there was a time in
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the 1980s, I believe it was 1981, that an individual
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: picked up a hitchhiker there and He was speaking German
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to the driver, and the driver reiterated what he had heard,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: which I can't remember what it was in German, but
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it translated to, I need to see my daughter or
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: something along those lines. I'm going to see my daughter.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And gave him the address. He shows up. He said,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back. And he actually watched this individual
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: get out. Walk all the way into the house. Close
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the door behind him. And he waited for this person
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to come back out. Because he had said something to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: him about, it is the anniversary of my daughter and
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I need to see her. And he's like, man, he
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: has been in there forever and I'm waiting for him
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to come back out. Well, he never comes back out.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: So this guy contacts the police. He thinks something might
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: have happened to him. Because he went up to the door,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: he's knocking on the door, nobody comes out. He ends
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: up calling the police. And they end up doing this investigation.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: They come to find out that that was the 100th
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: anniversary of Han Tiedemann's daughter's death. And he believes it
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: was Han Tiedemann who was going in to say his
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: goodbyes to his... on the anniversary of his daughter's death to,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: to reunite with his daughter for a night. But that
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: was a very interesting Cleveland ghost story to me. And
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I told it and I, when I told it, I said,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you know, this is the door that he dropped him
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: off to right up there. We're standing right next to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that door. Now to be honest with everybody. And I
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: don't know. And you had kind of told me how
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you felt, but I never really felt anything in Any
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: of the rooms that we were in never felt a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: creepy vibe except for one of them. But Dave, did
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you ever have any creepy vibes in that house? Not really.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: I do want to say, though, you hearing the story
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: you just told standing within the walls of that house
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: does definitely give it a different tone and feel.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. And it totally pissed our German tour guide off.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: He didn't, he wasn't wanting to have it. He didn't
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: want to hear it at all, which I thought was crazy.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: But as, as far as, as far as, uh, feeling
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: creepy vibes in the house, like seriously, for me, that
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: wasn't going to happen because of my, I I've got,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: I'm obsessive compulsive with timeframes. And I even said to somebody,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: when we were standing down in that first smoky room,
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: it was either you, Julie, or Kim. But one of
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: you I was standing there next to, and I literally said,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: I'm running the numbers here, and there is no way
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: this is a one-hour tour. I said, unless he's literally
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: going to walk us through that door and say, here's
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: a hallway, tour's over.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: This isn't going to be an hour tour.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: You told me and I was kind of like at
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: the time I was like, well, maybe it speeds up
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: like after we get out of this room. He's like
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: taking us up the stairs and then it's kind of
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: like over. But then I was like, as we like
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: we left out of the smoky basement. And then when
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: he got to the second time where he was gathering
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: all of us up and he started clicking his fucking
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: flashlight again, I was like, oh, no, it doesn't speed up.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: It doesn't speed up.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: But as far as creepiness, let's move on to the
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: room where Brian said he felt his first creepy vibe.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: That's where I would say probably I did feel some
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: off-puttedness in that room where he had the pagan music playing.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: The murder happened.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, I got straight up lightheadedness even in that room.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: It was like as soon as you walked into it,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: you kind of felt like, ooh, like what is this?
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: There was a definite denseness to that room and sort
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: of like just an uncomfortable feeling.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And Brian, that's what Brian had said too.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: He was just like, yeah, I, you know, he goes,
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: I up.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: What did you say, Brian?
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: You go, I honestly haven't felt one paranormal feeling this
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: entire time until we've gotten in this room right here.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't bullshit with that stuff. If I
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: go to a location and I don't feel anything anywhere,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm going to say. I don't feel it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not feeling it. I'm not scared. I got in there,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and the one thing I will say, and I don't
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: know if this played into my psyche at that point,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: but he had made a comment about he never feels
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: secure in that room. He doesn't like being in that room.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: He doesn't feel welcome. Okay. He did say that before
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: we entered the room, then we're in the room and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: he had purposely put some things in there that would
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: make you a little creeped out. I don't know about
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: you guys. I don't, this is going to sound so bad,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: but I don't feel like when I see particular religious
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: objects placed in certain rooms and Where you know it's
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: not a religious household, but you have all these religious things.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It's like you're putting up a specific vibe. And there
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: was a picture in there, guys, of a seductive Jesus.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: And when I'm talking about seductive Jesus, there was something
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: on his face. It was like this smirk on his face.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: It almost looked like one of those goofy faces. pictures
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of Jesus that you would see.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: And it was like a mockery.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: It was almost huge.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: It was almost androgynous. Like if, uh, like if real
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Jesus and Freddie Mercury had a baby. Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: It was freaking weird. And then like right behind him,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: as he's talking about this room, I got major, major,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: major creeps in that room. But he has like an
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: old fashioned record player going. And then the, the record
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: cover sleeve for display. And it says pagan festival.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yes. And that's purposeful. It's purposeful. It's all purposeful. Yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: And, and like I said, so it's a, it's an
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: interesting thing to Brian's point though, where he goes, Hey man,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: if I'm having a weird feeling, I'll tell you, or
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: if I'm not, because, Within a half hour, we were
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: in another room and Brian was accusing the guy.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Can you repeat that?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: You broke up really bad there. The spirit must have
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: been in your microphone.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: No, I said I know Brian will be straight up
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: if he's feeling uncomfortable in a room or not because
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: within a half hour of leaving that room, he was
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: accusing the guy of buying his artwork at a yard
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: sale in the next room.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I straight up said that to him too.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: You freaking called him out. But before we even get
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: to that part, I have to say something you guys
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: skipped over. He said something about like, Michelle, somebody, Schaumburg
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: or someone who had some kind of stock in Yahoo
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: had bought the Franklin Castle before. And she had thrown
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: some kind of a party. And then after the party,
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: some guy broke into the basement and he set the
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Franklin Castle on fire.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: He was trying to burn out the evil spirits. And
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: then immediately after that, we went into the creepiest fucking
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: room in the whole castle.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And that, that room too, somebody was killed in that room.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: They were killed.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Like murder style murder in that room.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And it was kind of like, uh, I, it was
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: serving quarters for a little while. It was a honeymoon suite.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: It was like where the Butler stayed. And it was
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: where that Michelle woman stayed that, She was one of the,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would say founding member of Yahoo,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: but she's like late 90s working at Yahoo, probably one
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: of 20 employees. And I'm sure as Yahoo got bigger
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and bigger during that time, she was falling into a
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: little bit more money. Purchased the property, had a Halloween party.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And this guy comes to the Halloween party and.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: He was invited. Like, they invited a bunch of people
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to this Halloween party at the Franklin Castle. And everybody
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: knew back then, guys. Around the year 2000, the Franklin
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Castle had the same reputation as it does today. Haunted place.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: One of the most haunted locations in Cleveland. We all
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: know that, right? And this guy straight up was like,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get rid of this place. It's evil.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And a lot of stuff has happened there.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: As we're going through the tour, even the current owners
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: talking about when they were knocking down certain parts of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: the wall, they're finding Nazi artifacts that he says he
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: throws away. I mean, even me, you guys, I don't
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: believe in Nazism, but I'd still be like, that's kind
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: of fucking cool.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: It's like a piece of history that's been buried within
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: the house.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not like you just burn this stuff or whatever.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: You're like, this stuff's interesting because it's a part of history.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: But anyway, that's just me personally. Because, you know, all
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: regimes and people in history have done horrible things. So
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: it's just like, I mean, where do you morally draw
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: the line?
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: Well, listen, it's if you dug up a time capsule
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: that you had no idea that was there.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: 200 years from now. And it just happened to be
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: all full of Nazi shit.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Mega interesting. And that's like, you know what I mean?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: That's just the thing. It's the history of someone put
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: it there.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: They threw it in there. OK, they were crazy people,
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: but still they left this big thing. Let's look at it.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: same kind of deal with that castle. You go in
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: there and you say to yourself, and I thought the
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: tour guide actually made an interesting point where he said
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: certain things, they don't digging to find things within the
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: walls because the way he put it was, he says,
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: these things need to be discovered as they're meant to
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: be discovered. And I thought that was kind of a
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: good anecdote, you know, about like a house.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the house definitely has some history and we
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: can get into some of that. uh, at the end,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you know, after we're done talking about the tour, we've
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: talked about some of the real history, but it was,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: it was, I mean, that kind of stuff is interesting.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And those little snippets are, I think would be interesting
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to anybody. Like what he found there. What is there?
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: Well, for Julie though, like your, your audience, especially when
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: you really do think about that, that guy was invited
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: to the party.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: He must have been a fairly normal person if you're
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: being invited to a party like that, right? To a
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: person who's healthy and has the kind of money to
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: buy that place or whatever. And for you to kind
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: of be convinced in the short time you're in that
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: house at a party that the place is evil, it
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: kind of makes you wonder what his experience was. And
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: I think I'm right now having a really cool idea
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: for a screenplay.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: What's the screenplay?
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Well, think about it. You get invited to this Franklin
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Castle place, and it's just the crazy experience this guy
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: has that leads him to burn it down at the end.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: And by the end of the movie, you have to
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: be agreeing with him that the place needs to be burned.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: By his perspective, you don't know what a person's perspective is.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Is he more in tune with certain things than other
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: people are?
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Something whispering to him.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Like the Amityville house. Like he got in there and
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: then like he was.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: Like people that have the shining.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The shining. The shining. Things talking to them that
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: other people are like, you're crazy now.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: And then he's like, this place has got to go.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Some people are really in tune with weird stuff like that.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Way more than I am.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: That's why I think for me it makes for such
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: a great movie type story because anything could have happened
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: to him.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: It could have been 1408 up in there for an hour.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? He just came out and
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: was like, this place got to fucking burn. But that
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: to me is the interesting part of that guy just
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: needing to burn the place. Because listen, I've had weird
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: thoughts where I was like, this place creeps me out.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Never been enough to make me actually go back and
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: sneak in and burn a place down.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: And you know what? They said it burnt for two
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: hours straight and it's still standing.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Well, we know there's wood particles everywhere.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: We saw them. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Don't even tell that story yet. Brian, what happens after
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: we get out of the creepy room?
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Well, this is where things start to get fuzzy for
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: me because the only things I started thinking about was
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: eating food and leaving.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Once we left that room. So to put things in perspective, guys,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: it sounds like, oh, hey, I would have, you know,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: you got some extra time in the house. That's great.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Show up at 545. You're like, you know what? Let's
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: make plans to have dinner after we leave. This is
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a one hour tour. We'll be out at seven. There's
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: plenty of restaurants that I want to eat at in
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Ohio City, which was 100% our plan. Okay. Everybody went
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: there not eating dinner because we believed a one-hour tour
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: meant one-hour tour.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: 60 minutes.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: We were on hour one and a half, almost two hours.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: We were probably on hour two when we left that
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: room that I'm talking about where the murder had occurred,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: where sexual Jesus is shown, where... you know, we all
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: had a creepy feeling and pagan records are being played,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: which by the way, you go, well, how many records
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: could be at this guy's disposal? Let me tell you
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: well over 5,000 to 10,000 records are sitting in the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Franklin castle right now. Look it up. A record company
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: bought out some of the rooms up there and they
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: have thousands upon thousands of records. He could have chose. Yes.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Pagan festival is what plays and that's on purpose. Let's
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: not mistake it. Pagan festival. So we leave that room
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: and we go upstairs now. And you're kind of backwards
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: at this point. You're like in this labyrinth. You kind
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: of lose track of where you're at. And he shows
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: an office and goes into where, you know, this is
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: a small office and people didn't have offices back then
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You got this office.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And then he talks about offices downtown. Then he talks
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: about offices in the house. And you're like, you're trying
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to keep track. Like, you think I'm going in circles.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: You be in the house listening to him. You're like,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: where is he going with this? House is downtown. So
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: next thing. you know, and then out of nowhere, he's like,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: and that is how key bank started downtown. And you're like, well,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I still don't know how it started because I don't
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: know when you started what you're talking about and when
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: you ended. And all I know is that my stomach
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: is growling and, Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So finally,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: we go into this. He dramatically opens this wall. And
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: there's a bedroom there. And I'm sitting there and I'm
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: finally like, oh, this is pretty cool. I pull out
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: my phone. You guys, I hadn't taken one effing picture
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the whole time. Everybody else had had 17 hours of footage.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I pulled my phone out for five seconds and he goes,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: we do not take pictures in here. Thank you. No photographs.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: You know, I snuck every single video that I had
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: on my phone. I snuck it. Like while you guys
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: were going up with the tour, I hung back and
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: I waited till he wasn't looking. And I like panned
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: my phone around the room. And that's the way, and
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: I had somebody comment on that video I made, and
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: they were like, oh, it looks like you guys had
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: a really cool tour. And I was like, dude, I
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: snuck all of those fucking photos and videos. I snuck around.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: They wouldn't even let you take any videos.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: Dude, I will also say, they've done a really good
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: job of that over the years, I guess, because, like,
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: if you.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Go on, dude, for any place.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: That's like a notoriously haunted place. Like the Franklin castle
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: is you, if you go on YouTube or any of
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: these places, there's, there's going to be hundreds of documentaries
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: about it, right? Like you can just go right on there,
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: the middle field penitentiary or these places, you know what
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: I mean?
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Or whatever like that.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: And it's like, for some reason, there's almost nothing about
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: Franklin castle. That's worth even remotely looking at.
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Needs to do, like, a killer documentary about Franklin. There
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: just isn't one right now. There is. That is true.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: There is a whole Wikipedia page, though. Yeah.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: But people like visual, like, like, being in the video, like,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: looking around and, like, hearing someone narrating, like, this is
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: this and this is this. There isn't anything like that
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: for Franklin Castle.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: No, I know, and this is where this happened, and
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: this is where this happened, and this is where this
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: story happened.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: Basically give you the tour that we were looking to
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: have before we got fucking full-fledged Gilligan's Island up in there.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: No shit.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Turned into a three-hour tour.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: This was the same room, though, where he asked our
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: cousin Brittany, he was like, what time is it? And
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: she was like, it's eight 45. And he was like,
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: is everyone good on time now?
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Moving on.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: And dude, I told you from the minute we were
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: in the smoky room in the basement, my PTSD was
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: just full kicked in that we were off schedule.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I cannot stand to be. You guys, this is the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: thing that bothers me. You're doing tours for people. I
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: understand you're extremely into your craft and you're remodeling and
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: you want to tell everybody about it because it's like
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: telling somebody about your art. And you think, oh, I've
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: got all these great listeners that are so interested in
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: my artwork. The reality is none of us are interested
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: in your artwork. That sucks for me to say that.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I am a little bit. Maybe, you know,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: enough for you to tell me how you did this, that,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and the other thing. But intricate details, no. everybody's there
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to hear ghost stories, stories about the house, history of
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the house, what happened where, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: Basically what you're saying is it would have been just
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: as fun and interesting had we been in the burnt
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: out Franklin Castle.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Hearing those stories.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: Now, granted, I love that they're restoring the place and
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: I think it's really cool. I'm so glad they're doing
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: that work. You know what I mean? But for the
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: point of what we were going for, it very well
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: could have just been a burnt out building. And we
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: could have just been pointing at things and saying, that's
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: where a body was. That's where this was. That's where
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: that was. And it would have been just as good
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: for us because you could- If not better. If not better.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: If not better. Because you could use your imagination for
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: the whole thing. And you're not looking at weird wallpaper
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: that he made himself, which by the way- Why do
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: you care about wallpaper that isn't original to the house?
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: That's what we're trying to talk about. And like, you know,
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: it's good. Have it there. Cause it sets a mood
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: and a tone, but don't then go on and tell
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: a big story about how you made it.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: No one cares.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: And it was like this room too. And he totally
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: blew his chance of making it super creepy because after
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: we went from the bedroom into the little parlor area, uh,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: He vaguely mentioned that this is the room where everyone
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: sees the woman in black standing in the window from outside.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I was standing right there. And guys, by that time,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I couldn't have given a shit less. She could have
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: been standing behind me and I would have been like,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: are you ready to go to let's.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Say, though, that he saw the woman in black once
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: in that room.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, he did. Him and two of the other owners
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: are the only three people to ever have seen her.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: That's what he said. That's what he said. Yeah.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: And, and again, his credibility wanes, but you know, here's,
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: here's what I find funny too. And maybe you guys
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: will agree with this. We spent so much freaking time
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: in those first, like three rooms, the stairway and the first.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: Whatever that by the time you really did start getting
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: to some really deep cool interesting rooms we were just
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: kind of flying through them so yeah.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: That is true though so like this bedroom that we
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: were in with like the little parlor when we went
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: through this like closet thing into the sitting room that
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: led to like this other thing and then we circled
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: back around i looked at one of the bookshelves and
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: he had this like little stone thing It was a
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: completely empty bookshelf, but he had like five stones in
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: a circle and then like a big stone in the middle.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: And I was like, this dude, I almost feel like
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: they're kind of like trying to channel stuff in. Because
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: I looked online and that's the bedroom that they rent
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: out for like an Airbnb thing.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: Well, those marble bathrooms are just amazing.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: Probably one of the prettiest bathrooms I've ever been into
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: my life. And I have a thing for bathrooms.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: But like, I love the bathrooms from the shining. I
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: think those are like the greatest room. And like, so
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: that bathroom sort of reminded me of that. It had
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: like a theme and cool colors and just, it was,
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: it was awesome in that room. And I think Brian
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: asked someone if they actually shower in there.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Of course I did. Yeah. Of course I did.
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: He's like, I've never showered in here, but people have.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: And I was like, I really would love to shower
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: in this shower.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: It was one of those like old claw foot tubs.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, beautiful. Just gorgeous.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: After we look around the bedroom and we see the bathroom,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: he didn't risks all of our lives by showing us
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: a hidden passageway. That's really just us scaling the side
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: of the house.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you had to crawl out a window and onto
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: this little trellis, I guess you'd call it, that's just
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: real tiny.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Super tiny and no railing on the side of the house.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: Shimmy into the other window where he kept on making
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: the joke that if you wanted to, you know, read
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: a book.
• 57:31
  Speaker 8: You wanted to take off all your clothes and oil
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: up your body and read Anne Frank.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: What was so strange about this to me, though, is
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: if you are a human being, he doesn't really want
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: you to be on the tour. Because if you get hungry,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: he doesn't like it. If you have to go to
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: the bathroom, he doesn't like it. If you have to
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: leave after three hours of a one-hour tour, he doesn't
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: like it. It's just like you exist for him to
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: do his fucking thing. If you're not willing to do that,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: if you're not willing to submit to his complete dominance
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: of time and space, then you don't belong on that tour.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: So for that, I, I was picking up on that very,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: very early on. And I, I'm not going to say
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I'm a passive aggressive dick. I can just kind of
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: start to become a dick. And he started trying to
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: talk about this picture he got of a grandmother or
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a caretaker that had been on the property. Now guys,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: 20 minutes before this, he's telling everybody how that place
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: was just under flame for two hours straight. And we
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: had just, And right outside that door, there's a charred doorway.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And he goes... and I have this portrait of, of
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: so-and-so and this is her. And she lived in the
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: house from blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she was,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: took care of the kids and here's a painting from it.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, where did you get them? Where'd you
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: get this photo? Where'd you get this painting? It came
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: with the house. I'm sitting there thinking, where? Where was it?
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: It came with the frame.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: It came with the house. You're like, what? You just
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: got done talking about how there's been 17 different owners.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: If the house doesn't like the owner, they're kicked out
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: after two years. Several renovations and a two-hour fire. But
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: you pulled this picture out. of Grandma Betty out of
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: some closet somewhere where it was protected.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: I think he said it was Grandma Tiedemann.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, come on. When I asked where he got it from, his.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Eyes got so big.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll ever tell people he got those,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: that those are real people again. Cause you got that
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: stuff in a flea market. That's an old photograph. Put
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: it up. I'll just tell him that somebody for.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: The cosmic peach fans, for the cosmic peach fans out there,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: it's kind of like them finding the terrorists passports and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: pristine condition laying on the road after nine o'clock.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: The whole house would turn into a post-Toasty when they
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: have these paintings.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Or I had to ask.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: Not even any char on them.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Everybody that has listened to my past episodes on your podcast, Joy,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: they're going to know I'm skeptical Brian, right? I'm going
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: to ask all the questions.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: He got so quiet after you asked him.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: He got so quiet and looked like he just got.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: it was how quiet he got that was the only
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: answer you needed when he was just like it came
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: came with the house.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: And the fact that this dude i'm gonna tell you
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: guys something this dude could tell you where every speck
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: of paint came from in that house but he couldn't
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: tell me where they found those pictures and paintings There
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: was no story behind it whatsoever. I was waiting for
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: him to be like, we knocked down a wall and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: behind the wall was the treasures of, you know, but no,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: there was no treasure story. There was no knockdown. No,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: it just came with the house. Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: You're like, where did he get these? He's like, don't
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: listen to the angry white guy.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: Anyway, it's a two degree temperature.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. I'll tell you why you're wrong. One, American. Two, white. Three, privileged. Four,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: you're ugly. Five, privileged again. Six, white. Seven, American. Now
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: shut up.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: Two degree temperature drop in this room right now. Oh
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: my God.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: Right after you called him out on that and like
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: it got really silent he was like it just came
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: with the house and then he moved us into this
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: tiny closet like all 12 of us and then it
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: smelled like fucking farts in there and he was going
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: on and on and my brother tells it the best
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: he got stuck on a word And he was like,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: I translate everything in my mind from German to English.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: So sometimes I get caught up.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: He got caught on this word. And the way you
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: tell this is perfect. Just take it away.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: He would just... stop for so long and then like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: where most people would just give up and pick a
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: different word he just wouldn't and he'd just be like.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: You know and i took one of these things that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: that you pull you know with the with the tongues
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 8: and it has like you.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Know the one of those you know.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: The fork a fork like a thing Again, we're all
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: in a giant hurry, right, at this point.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: It smells like farts in there.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: It smells like farts in here. And again, he's taking
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: all that time to explain wallpaper that has nothing to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: do with the house.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: You put it up at McDonald's and it would be
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: exactly the same effect.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: There was nothing to do.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: And he's just stretching it out.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Stretching it out. Oh, my God. Well, the one when
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: he stretched one of the things out, I knew, I'm like,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: is this just an act at this point? Because he
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: was like, what is the word? I need someone to,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: what is the word? I cannot think of these American
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: words for this.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. Oh, volunteer. I'm like,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: you do 17 freaking things. Tours a day. And you
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: can't remember the word volunteer. You asked for two volunteers
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: through the whole tour.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Volunteer.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: Words like volunteer. But he's just like cruising through words
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: like dark matter. and your droppages and all of fluctuations
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: in spiritual gratitude. And he's like, and then what's the
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: American word for, I don't know, hot dog. It's like,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: that's the word you're got up on. Oh my God.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: So we move out of that room. We go into this,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's like a study or something. And
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: he's going on another tirade and your phone goes off
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: and it's like, go ahead, go.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Ahead.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: Well, mind you, I was already so angry. And for
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: reasons I'm not even going to get into, I had
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: a phone that wasn't even my normal phone. And I
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: had no idea how to turn ringers off, turn it down,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: turn nothing. Okay. And in fairness, my phone hadn't beeped
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: the entire time. And you guys know what you know
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: about me in my life. Think about my phone not
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: beeping for a full two hours. Just think, I mean,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: think about like, that's so rare. I can't believe it
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: even happened. And then we're up there. We've been up
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: there for that long. My phone beeps one time and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: he stops the whole tour.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: It was like a movie.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: When I look from my phone, every, it was like
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: a wall of people were.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Just standing there staring at me like this. Including him.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: And he's just got this look on his face like,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: how dare you look at your phone during this tour?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: And all I could think of to say in the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: moment was, I've been here three hours. I have a life.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Keep going. And that's just all I said. That was
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: right after that happened. Because I had heard Jaden and
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Brittany talking. And they're like, oh, I'm so hungry. We
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: didn't eat anything, you know? It's like 840 at this point.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: It's after that. It's like after nine almost.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Well, it couldn't be.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: We got to the.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Restaurant before they closed the kitchen at nine. Okay. That's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: how I'm figuring this out. I looked at Dave and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: everybody else. I said, when we get back into where
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I know how to get the hell out of here,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: because right now we were in some kind of labyrinth.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: I was lost. I said, I'm telling him I have
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: to leave. I don't care.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: What he's going to try to talk about. I don't
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: care what he's going to try to show me. I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: don't care. I seriously did not care. He could have
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: showed me the Roswell fucking aliens. I would have been
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: out of there. I would not have given him five
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: minutes of my time. I was so hungry. So. We
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: find we go, but we go to one more room
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: after this, because this that he called you out in
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: the kids reading room, which, by the way, by the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: time I was there, I was like, I don't care
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: about any of this. I don't care about this reading room.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I don't care anything. I was in my mind. Anything
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: he would have said about that reading room. I just
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: did not care. No, it was.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: He was like a child died in this room.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, what boredom? Well, he's talking something. He
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: was like, there's no electricity in here. I'm like, there's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: lamps plugged in everywhere. There's a light above my head.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to go.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: There's an air purifier right behind you, dude.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Right now. So he's like, okay, we're walking. We're going
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: to go upstairs. So we go upstairs.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: Wait, wait, whoa, Brian, slow. your roll. We stopped by
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: a doorway before we went upstairs.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: Who wants to tell it?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: Somebody tell it.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: Julie, you tell the doorway story.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: You have to.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: I'll tell the doorway story. He goes, we left this
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: doorway intact from the fire. And it's this charcoal looking doorway.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: And he goes, I need a volunteer. He remembered it
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: that time. He pulls my 13-year-old peasant. And he goes, okay,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take your hand. And he runs her
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: hand down this charcoal doorway. And he pulls out his
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: stupid fucking flimsy ass flashlight. And he's like trying to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: click it on to show everybody the soot on her hand.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: And he shows everybody and they're like, oh yeah, we
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: kind of figured. And he does it again. He pulls
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: her sleeve up over her hand and runs it across
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: the doorway again.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: Until it's black.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: It's black and just little bits and pieces are falling
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: off of her sleeve. And then he clicks his flashlight
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: on again. He goes, look at. And then he looks
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: at Brittany and he goes, you have a washer, right, mom?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: And it's like you just destroyed her sweater, dude. You
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: destroyed it.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: Look at the magic. This is the magic of the house.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: But he runs his own hand over it.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: He runs his hand over it. Starts dicking with his
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: flashlight again. Clicking it, clicking it, clicking it. He's like,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: look at all these particles in the air. And I'm like,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: that I'm breathing. It's graphite dust.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: It's burnt, charred.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I work in construction. I'd be wearing a mask right now.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: He's like doing this and flicking it up into the air.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: And he's flicking it up into the air.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: There's glass. graphite particle dust he's flinging all in the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: end he's like that's the magic of the house i'm
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: like there's there's nothing magical about that oh my god
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: there's absolutely zero magic in.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: That you have no joke now brother literally more asbestos
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: than magic in that in what uh because.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: You literally said you were like i was just waiting
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: for him next to go like and blow something in
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: somebody's face and go that's asbestos.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: It's a hundred years old and haunted.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 9: The woman in the black dress now lives inside you
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 9: She now lives inside all of you.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: You're all haunted now.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: You'll be dead within 17 years, probably of a rare
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 8: form of cancer, but it's also haunted.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: What's that word again? That American word? Mesothelioma.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Come on!
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: Well, listen, poor J.J., Just to say this, JJ's the
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: one who had her hand pulled all over the sooty door.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: She had already used the word hangry one time while
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: we were in the steam room. So imagine how she
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: was feeling by the time we were rubbing her hand through.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: The soot on the door.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. She was so over it. Bless her heart.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: But that's, Brian, when we went up that last flight
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: of stairs and you had a meltdown.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Yep. I had a meltdown internally before we got up there,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: but I.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: Was like, everybody after we got up.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Trying to do this, but once I, you know, I'm
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: the kind of person it's like, once I realized that
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: this guy had zero respect for my time, I now
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: have zeros respect for his time. Right.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Zero respect for his tour, zero respect for anything. And
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: that's not a knock on him as a human being.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: It's just an observation of truth.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: So I, we get up to this top floor. Now guys,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: this top floor was different than the entire rest of
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: the house. It looked like something that like somebody had
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: been up there collecting, I don't know, antiques, but specific antiques.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: And what I did notice that was interesting to me,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: and this is again, speculation, but There was a lot
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: of occult artifacts up there. Yes. Things with, like, the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Illuminati eye and three eyes. And I don't know if
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: that's pagan. I'm not into symbology. So I don't know
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: if that's even a thing.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: A lot of, like, triangles with the one eye in
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: the middle. And, like, weird Persian and Moroccan type of artifacts.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: It was fucking weird. And this is what he called
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: was the ballroom.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There was a camera up there. There was extremely
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: thick walls and the windows had to be put deep
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: inside because the walls were so thick. It was just
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: so weird. And they were doing some sort of filming
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: up there.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: There was a huge bathtub in the window.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just all sorts of things. Weird.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: There was a bathtub up there. There was a really
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: great view of the lake, though, of all things. You
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: could see the lake from the top of the Franklin Castle,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: which I thought was kind of cool.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: You were too busy having a meltdown.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: By that point, you were just ready to get out
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: of there. And I have to say, we all were, definitely.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: But here's what's funny, man. Think about this guy's loose
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: friendship with time, okay, and what time means to him.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: An hour tour, right? That's what we were supposed to take.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: When we got there and we started realizing, he goes,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: now listen, this is not going to be probably an
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: hour tour. It usually goes two. Okay, so now we're thinking,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: all right, fair enough.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: It's going to be two.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: But when you get to the two-hour mark and you
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: realize it's not over yet, that's when you start getting angry.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: right so now the top we're we're moving closer to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: three hours okay and and brian has he's the one
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: that loses it first enough to where he can he
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: finally says i'm getting out of here because the guy
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: says now let's go down and we want to see
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: the back of the castle we're going to go outside
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: into the backyard and i'm going to show you some
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: things about the back of the castle right and And
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: the cottage house. And I know full well, Brian's like me.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: There's going to be some interesting things. And we really
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: wanted to do this tour. We like historical things. We
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: like all that. So honestly, everything in us would love
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: to see the back of this castle, right?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: And Brian's just like, sorry, I'm leaving.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: And when I get down to the bottom, if I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: get near that front door, I'm just going to be going.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I hope that's okay.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: And so we start making our way down there, okay,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: down towards the front door. And this guy gets desperate.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: This tour guide gets desperate. And he starts talking to Brian.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: He starts negotiating with him, trying to get him to stay, right?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: And he's like, but the back of the castle is
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: really cool.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: You're going to miss it. You know what I mean?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And Brian's like, I don't care. I'm leaving.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: And he goes, and finally, Brian, trying to be a
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: super nice guy, turns around and says, okay, man, how long?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: how long to see the back of the castle? And
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: the guy's like five minutes, five minutes. And Brian's like,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: all right, fine. If it's five minutes, is it going
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: to be five minutes? And then, and then you can
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: tell Brian even thought to himself, wait a minute, this
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: guy has a weird way with time. And he goes,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: is dude, is it really going to be five minutes?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: And I am not kidding. When I say this, the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: guy pauses and he goes.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe 50 minutes. Uh, And Brian just turned into, ran
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: out the front door as.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 8: Fast as he could.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't give a crap about the back
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: of this castle for no 50 minutes.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: He said, maybe 50 minutes.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: And that was, that was, we all started running.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Do you guys know what 50 minutes really meant? That
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: meant two more hours. Yes.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: And dude, think about that. He moved it up 10 times.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: He said five minutes. And then that quick, he was
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: like 10 times that 10 times. Like, I mean, just,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: and maybe that was the wild Turkey talking.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: But, uh, at that point we knew whether this is
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: a ghost or not, or if, uh, Hans Dietemann's here
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: or not, or the black woman in black, we're out
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: of here.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: But we took the lead. We ran down the stairs
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: first and we were trying to find our way back out.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: And then we broke off into that first room where
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: we came in and we were all looking around like,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: where the fuck are we? And he was like, through
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: that door, through that door. And then we just like scrambled.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: You know what? Other people followed us. It bothered me
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: because that didn't just bother me. It bothered me when
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I said goodbye. It was nice meeting everybody. It was
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: a great tour. And he didn't say shit. Hmm. Yeah.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to say the reason why that bothered
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: me is because how are you so ignorant to other
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: people's time? Yeah. How are you so ignorant to that?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: How can you not say thank you for coming on
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: this tour? You know, please come again another time and
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: I'll be able to show you the background. Something.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: He didn't even try to sell us a t-shirt.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: I would have bought one.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Of course you would. I don't know if they have merch.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's thought of that.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: No, because he's so self-absorbed. No, you know what the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: merch would be?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: His own personal artwork.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: Shirts made out of the wallpaper.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say that. What you kept
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: calling Oriental wallpaper. And I was going to be like,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: that's what his shirt would be. It would just be
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: like a beach shirt, you know, like a freaking Hawaiian
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: shirt of the wallpaper that he made. Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: It would say Franklin Castle, home of the world's greatest
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: art collection.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: It would, the t-shirts, the t-shirts he would make are one,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: the sculpt, the sculpture that has light that goes through
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: it from the one bathroom, the Oriental wallpaper quote from him.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: And probably a picture of the steam in the basement.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: That would be the three t-shirts.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: Or the creepy cherry won't tell anybody about.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Or a bumper sticker that says the Franklin Castle. It's
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: not haunted. Franklin Castle, America's least haunted house.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: Oh my God. There were a few pictures I took
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: though that looked creepy, you assholes.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: Yes but that's what he would say he would say
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 7: it's a very then he would tell you that he
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: had a that he had a 15 minute conversation with
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: with the wallpaper yeah and responded to him.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: He said something about like he puts stuff places and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: goes back and tries to to find it and it's
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: not there anymore which i mean that's like a haunting
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: kind of thing but he didn't say it in a
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: creepy way. He was just like, maybe I misplaced it.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: And it's like, that's not fucking, just leave it out then.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: Well, there's a fine line between the paranormal and alcoholism.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: But I could, That he's dancing on that line. He's
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: found the door to the next dimension.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: But no, for real, guys, there was parts of that
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: house that were creepy. And I have a picture where
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: I'm sitting in that little chair. And it looks like
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: there's like some misty thing like behind the chair. Did
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: you see that?
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did, actually, and thought that was kind of interesting.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: And then Kim has a weird picture where her phone
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: just went off randomly. And it's like some kind of
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: a red swirl looking thing. Did you guys see that one?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: I didn't see that one.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was weird.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, listen.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: I think because remember he asked a question at one point.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: He goes, what do you guys.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: Think haunting is? A haunted house is. And I was
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: the one that said, I think it's energy. And then
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: he went off on the energy. Yes. And then he
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: was on the energy tangent. So I guess I said
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: the right thing. But I do believe in that. Like,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: I don't think you need to believe in ghosts in
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: the sense of it's a Civil War soldier all the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: time to believe that strange things happen because of trapped energy.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? To some degree.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: And I think like crazy things or weird events can
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: trap energy like that. And that's why you tend to
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: run into it. Although I will say, I say this
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: all the time about hauntings. I never understand why are
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: all ghosts from the 1800s?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: Because they were real fucking miserable in the 1800s. I
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: They've come back to experience air conditioning.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: And Star Wars in HD so you can tell Chewbacca's
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: wearing a mask.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God, you guys. You know what's funny, though?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: When we went in that bedroom right before Brian got
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: yelled at for using his phone, he was like, no
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: photography in this bedroom. And this is where we found
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: the bones. We found bones, a small pelvis. We think
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: it's a child pelvis.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: Baby bones?
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he just cut to the next topic. He didn't
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: even like really expand on that and say like what,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: how they got there, why they were there, or if
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: they ever got like tested to see if it was
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: a real person or like, we found it.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: He did say they were sent away and he did
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: say they were sent away and there were children's.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: Bones, children's bones. And then he like gets cut to
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: the next.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like, that's when the guy realized he could
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: build a church there. Yeah. They were going to do
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: so many different things with that building that I find
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: so interesting in that sense. It was going to be
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: a nightclub. It was going to be a restaurant. It
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: was going to be a church. Imagine that being a nightclub.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: That would have been sick.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, but what would you call it? the Franklin castle nightclub,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: or would you give it like a, a cool name?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: I think you could just call it the Franklin castle.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: Dungeon of darkness nightclub.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Or just the Franklin, you know, those places just.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: Have the Franklin.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: But it'll just be a cool party place. I would
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: love to, I love, I love partying in places that
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: have like a weird vibe like that.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it, it, it, so for everybody, I have
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: some facts about the Franklin castle. So you guys tell
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: me what you think after you've done the tour. Okay.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: So it's, it was done and it's called a Victorian
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: stone house. Um, it's also known as the Tiedemann house,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: which we, we did learn it's located at 4308 Franklin
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Boulevard in Ohio city. So people in Cleveland know Ohio
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: city neighborhood. Um, They say that there's four stories there
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: and more than 20 rooms and more than 80 windows.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: At the time. So this place on Wikipedia, they are
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: calling it the most haunted house in Ohio. So, guys,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: with the exception of that one room. I could have
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: spent the night in that place probably by myself and
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: been like, eh. Thank you, Brian.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: Go sleep in that one room you got the creeps
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: in all night. By yourself.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. I'll tell you why I wouldn't
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: do that. That picture of Jesus freaks me out. Yes!
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: You could put that picture of Jesus in my house
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: and I would be like, get that thing out of here.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: And you also have to spend the night in that
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: room listening to the Pagan Festival all night on repeat.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And just, you know, sometimes though, and whether, you know,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: obviously my beliefs don't create reality. And I don't fully
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: believe in this stuff. But at the same time, I
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: do wonder, like, I got the feeling that that guy
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: was trying to invite things into that house. He was
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: trying to communicate.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: With things in that house. And Dave, I know you're
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: a rational person too. I don't know if you got
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: that feeling, but it wouldn't have surprised me. And obviously
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: this is pure speculation, but during those 15, 20 minute
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: times where he was gone, probably sipping on something, he
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: was also trying to conjure something up. Like, Hey, I've
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: got people here.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Like you've wanted, just like you want house. I've got
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: the people here for you.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: It's really sort of a haunted meets eyes wide shut
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: type vibe.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the hell that dude's doing behind
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: closed doors. Was he disappearing just to drink or was
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: he disappearing into a passageway to drink and torture somebody
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: that he's got in there?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: You hear like somebody said, you talk so much about
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: the house. And like, if the house doesn't like you,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: you're kicked out in two years, yada, yada. And they said, well,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: don't you think it's disrespectful to the house to have
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: these tours and like have all these strangers coming into
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: the house? And he was like, if you help the house,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: the house helps you. And I was like, what the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: fuck does that mean? If you help the house, the
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: house helps you. How are you helping the house?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: The ambiguity.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: And I think that's just it, man. It's like he,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: I think you're right. He would love to invite that
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: kind of stuff in there. He, wants you to be
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: supplying the scariness. He, I think he's got it on
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: his mind. I'm not going to sell this place as
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: a scary house, but everybody's going to say it's scary anyway.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: So I don't have to, but he still pushes it.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And so that, what it
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: is to me.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: And it's like, again, I wouldn't doubt that if you
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: stayed in that place overnight, you might see something weird. Again,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: because it doesn't have to be necessarily a ghost in
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: the sense that everyone's talking about. This could just be
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: weird trapped energies from weird lifestyles in that house and
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: weird murder there.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Well, listen to some of this stuff that comes up here, guys.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: And then this actually puts... When you listen to the Wikipedia,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: you learn more than when he was talking about it,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: which is.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: This is how quickly you can learn interesting facts about
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: this place. So, obviously, this is according to Wikipedia, but...
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: On January 15th, 1881... So, 1981, you know, the whole
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: story I had already told about the daughter... But Tiedemann's
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: 15-year-old daughter, Emma, succumbed to diabetes, which he did bring
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: up the diabetes thing. And then the property sought second
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: death with the elderly mother who died. Then three years later,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: they bury three more children, giving rise to speculation that
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: there was more deaths than met the eye. Could that
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: have been the bones, the old bones that were found
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: in the house when they were trying to build the church?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Three more kids died, that's a lot. So during that time,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: to distract Louise, who was Tiedemann's wife, from all the
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: deaths in the home, they began more construction on the home,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: adding a ballroom, which runs the entire fourth floor of
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: the manor, which is where we were at up top. Yep.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: They also added turrets and gargoyles, to add to the
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: edifice's facade, giving the more pronounced castle appearance at that time.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: So there was rumors that there was hidden rooms and
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: passageways used for bootlegging during Prohibition, but none of these
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: rooms have ever been found to exist other than a
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: small stairway that was used by servants from the kitchen,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: which is in the basement, guys, we were talking about this,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: to the front door. And those are the stairs that
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Are extremely narrow. That I was talking about. Basically you're
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: going to die. If you walk on these things. And
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: you have any sort of problem. Then. Louise died. Of
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: liver disease in 1895. And she was only. 57 years old.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: Then Hans sold the house. To the Maulhauser family.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 6: In 1908.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: The entire Tiedemann family was dead, leaving no one to
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: inherit his considerable personal wealth. Interesting. So there's rumors that
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: crimes were committed by Hans Tiedemann himself, and that contributes
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: to the Franklin Castle's reputation to this day. But none
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: of those were disclosed, none of those were talked about,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: and they don't talk about any of them here. Then
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: in the middle years from 1921 to 1968, which they
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: considered the middle years, which is a quite large chunk
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: of time, it was the home to various German cultural organizations.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: James Romano, who lived there in 1968 with his wife
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: and six children, reported several encounters with ghosts in their
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: home and attempted exorcisms. And even ghost hunting groups like
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: the Northeast Ohio Psychical Research Society investigate the castle in 1974.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: The Romanos decided to leave the house and sold to
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: the Sam Muscolato Society. And he planned to turn it
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: into a church. And that's when what we found out
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: about the bones. Right. To raise money for the church, though,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: he did haunted house tours and overnight stays in the castle.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Human bones were found in a closet in 1975. But
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: it is also believed that they were planted by that
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: owner looking to gain publicity for the ghost tours on
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: the property.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: Oh, come on.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: All that stuff was left out of our tour. He
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: didn't mention a single bit of that. He played into
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: those bones being found just as much as the guy
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: who probably planted them there.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 6: Damn. I.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: In 84, Michael DeVinco, Judy Garland's fifth and last husband,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: purchased the Franklin Castle, immediately started making renovations to the house,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: and over the next 10 years, he spent close to
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: $ 1 million renovating the castle. He even went as far
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: as to track down some of the original furnishings for
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: the castle. But then, He decided to put the house
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: up for sale in 1994. So, what happened with this guy?
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: There's no two years there. That was a 10-year span.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: 84 to 94. Yeah, he was.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: Probably into some dark shit, Brian.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: The house liked him. He did talk about that, so
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: I said the house must have liked.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Him because he was like, you know, whatever. There was
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: a series of owners for the past 30 years. The castle...
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: It was empty from 1994 until 1999, until Michelle Himberger
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: bought the castle and the carriage house for $ 350, 000 using
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: part of her Yahoo stock. She was one of the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: company's early employees. She's also a native Clevelander. She's fascinated
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: with the home and purchased it with intentions of restoring
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: the building to its former glory. But unfortunately, that same year,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: a fire badly damaged the castle. Even though extensive repairs
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: were done, the house restoration could not be completed. Now,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: what's interesting about that, guys, is they talk about nothing
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: about the fire being set by a human being who
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: said that this place is evil. But we picked that
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: up on the tour.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: Our last name was Hamburger. Heimberger?
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: H-E-I-M-B-U-R-G-E-R. Heimberger.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: So she's German, too.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. In 2004, there were rumors that the Franklin
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Castle was going to be completely renovated and turned into
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: the Franklin Castle Club. But in 2006, the entire club
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: was proven to be a complete sham. They never did
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: any repairs. They never did anything. And pictures on the
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: website were either close-up shots of architecture or stolen from
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: other websites. So they never did anything. And there was
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: also no evidence that that castle had ever been used
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: to shoot pornography. So that's a rumor that a lot
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: of people have heard. And I have heard that.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: Looks like they're shooting some now in that bunker up there.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: Around this time, guys, it could be, it could be.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Uh, around, around the building was cleaned and the parapet,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: the left side of the facade was rebuilt according to
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: a 18th century design. Now the property was damaged again
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: in March of 2011 when the carriage house was damaged
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: in a fire, which maybe he brought that up when
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: he went out to the carriage house, but we never
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: made it that far. Um, So now, in 2011, they
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: rezoned the Franklin Castle to allow it to be a
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: three-family dwelling. And that sale was pending. European tapestry artist
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Chiara Donna Dale purchased it for 2011 for $ 260, 000. The
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Building and Housing Department issued a permit for residential
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: exterior alterations in 2012. And local news reported that the
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: buyer intends to convert the building into three family homes
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: and the dwelling into two of the spaces. Following several
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: years of historic renovations, the owners announced single night accommodations
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: were available for guests starting December.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: 24th, 2021.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: 24, 2022. For everyone's information, March 18, 2016, Paranormal Lockdown
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: featured the Franklin Castle on an episode of its first season.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: On March 5th of 2020, Franklin Castle was featured on
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: the fifth episode of Season 19 of Ghost Adventures, which
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: was on the Travel Channel. And on November 19th, Franklin
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Castle was featured on Episode 4, Season 2 of The
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: Holzer Files, which aired on the Travel Channel.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: Interesting. So there you have it.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: So what do you think, Brian? It's a bunch of baloney?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, granted, one, that would mean
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: that I'd have to take everything for face value on Wikipedia,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: which you really can't do. But I also don't think
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: that they're full of crap here. A lot of this
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: stuff matches up with what we've heard.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 10: But it also goes to say why he didn't talk
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 10: anything about the why you never heard the ending of
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 10: the bones from the closet.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: That really, he didn't mention what, you know, sometimes there's
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: a thing called lying through omission. Oh yeah. And we
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: all know what that means. We all know what lying
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: through omission means. Lying through omission is, you know, something
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: you're purposely not telling it. Because you know the consequences
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: of what it is that you're about to say. Okay,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: but Brian, Brian, hear me out. You know it's going
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: to pull the wool off the person's eyes the second
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: you say it.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: Hear me out, Brian. Let's just say that the Franklin
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: Castle over time has gained some attraction based on some
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: ghost stories and like the hitchhiker story you told, right?
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: So they want to run with that, but they're allowing
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: people to stay there overnight. So they want to up
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: the ante a little bit. Now here comes the weird
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: like artifacts that we saw in the sexy Jesus picture
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: and the pagan festival records and the weird little rock formations.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: And then you get up and it's like my brother
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: said to like this weird eyes wide shut scene in
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: the attic ballroom where they have a huge king size
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: bed right in the middle of the ballroom for no
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: fucking reason. They got the triangle with the all seeing
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: eye all over the attic, a big old bathtub up there.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: And they have video cameras. So you tell me they're
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: not trying to channel some shit in there to like
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: up the ante a little bit for when people come
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: over to stay. It didn't even have to be a
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: haunted house. You could go to anybody's house and start
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: doing weird like rituals and shit and get some fucking
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: dark entities up in that motherfucker. That's all I'm trying
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: to say.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know honestly how any of that works.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: But something I do like to think about is, you know,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: it's not just buildings that become haunted. Sometimes you hear
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: about people that become haunted. No matter where they go,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: they're seeing things. And we could say, oh, okay, it's
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: psychological or it is what it is. But what are
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: you playing with? What are you trying to bring around?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: What are you trying to do? And if you do
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: do those things, are you convincing yourself to change as
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: a person? Or are you really inviting things into yourself?
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know one way or the other.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: I really don't. But I do know that when you
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: dabble with certain things and you want certain things to
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: be true. And what's the difference? It starts to become reality.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I just read a story about two people
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: in India who convinced themselves of some they were involved
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: in some kind of cult thing. and they needed their
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: heads to be chopped off and put into fire, so
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: they set up some sort of weird thing, some weird
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: ritual where they created a guillotine and had a hill
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: that went down into a fire, chopped their own heads
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: off together, and had it roll into the fire in
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: some sort of cult ritual. What's the difference? What's the difference?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: Maybe they needed, what's it called, Brian? A volunteer?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 5: Well, well, well, I think to Brian's point, you think
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: about it when, you know, the, you've heard the term
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: perception is reality. And when someone's got you tied up
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: in a basement, whether their perception is reality or not,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: I promise you you're in reality. And there's some crazy
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: ass fucking shit happening to you, whether it's based on
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: anything real or not, they think it is. And some
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: people can be doing some crazy ass shit. And that's
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: why I said, The most fun I've been having out
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: of this whole thing is coming up with all of
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: these cool stories about what that guy is doing in
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: that house. Is the idea that he's a ghost giving
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: tours in that house. The idea that when he goes,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: we're laughing and saying he's going to drink, but really
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: he's going to torture some dude he's got tied up in.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but think about it. This is the real burbs.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: This is the real burbs.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, they're Satan worshippers. And then they
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: go in the house and they're like.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: It seems kind of normal. And then they find all
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: those fucking bones in his trunk. This is the real burbs.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Fun to think about.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: The house doesn't necessarily need to be haunted to be cool.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: It's awesome. But man, it's creepy as hell.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: If you just want to go experience something super creepy, go.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that room especially was creepy to me.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's great. Okay, this is the advice I'd
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: give anybody before they go. One, eat before you leave. Two,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: understand that the tour is going to be way longer
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: than one hour. So be prepared for that. Bring a snack.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Bring a water bottle. My God, he'll probably not let
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: you bring it in, but bring it anyway. Be prepared
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: to be there for a long time. Don't make plans afterwards.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Know that you're going to be there a long time.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: Start looking at the things there, but Learn the history
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: of the house before you get there and then ask
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: educated questions and see how he answers them. Like, listen,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: like read the Wikipedia page, watch some documentaries, watch the shows.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: And then when you're there, be like, where did this happen? Oh,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: wait a second. Didn't they find out that that owner
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: was planting those bones in the closet? If he starts going, hey,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: you know, you got, you know, you got him. Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: Sort of view the tour like this. The house is
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: the opening act. The guy given the tour is the headliner.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: He's who you're going to see. That's the real show.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: the house is kind of this cool thing that goes
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: on around this freaking creepo. Give him the tour and like,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: just go with an open imagination for what that dude's
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: up to.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: And you will have a blast.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: Even the way he said, like, my name is Jan's.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: It's jeans, but with an I and no A. And
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: I was like, so it's not jeans at all. What
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: are you talking about?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: He's like a character from Zoolander.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: It really was.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: So if you're going to rate the tour one out
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: of 10 skulls, I'm giving it five skulls. Okay.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: That's interesting because I even thought about that before, like
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: where I'd rate it one to 10 and I'd say
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: four out of 10.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: Four skulls.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: But my, that's because I went into it blind. And
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: I think I would have liked it more if I
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: knew what I was getting into. Because I would have
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: been prepared for more of the history and I wouldn't
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: have gotten angry. And I wouldn't have been like, I
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't know. Okay. He's going off on his little tirades.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Here he goes. I expected this, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: But the fact that I didn't expect that and I
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: thought it was going to be one hour, that really
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: lit me up. And the fact that he did not
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: thank me for coming out and after I was like,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: thank you for everything, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: didn't say anything back. I'm like, that rubbed me the
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: wrong way. Four skulls out of ten.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: Brother, one to ten skulls.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: This was easy for me.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: Ten skulls.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: You're giving it ten skulls?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: Ten skulls.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Want to know why I'm giving it ten skulls?
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: Because at this point, I am completely convinced that at
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: some point on that tour, I was within ten feet
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: of someone bound and gagged and tied up.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: For real. Ten skulls. You're giving it ten skulls because
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: you hit ten human skulls somewhere in the house.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: And they're going to find a.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: Closet somewhere and they're going to find out it was
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: planted to get, to get, uh, no, because that's what
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: it brought up. Some, uh, some attention.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: Listen, the, it has to be that because it has
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: to be either. He's really a ghost giving that tour
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: or there's really people tied up in that house and
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: he's torturing them and giving the tour while he's doing
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: it because he's not afraid of the police. But I'm
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: saying it's his way of taunting the police. I could
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: picture him BTK style standing in a courtroom being like, yes,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: I gave 127 tours while I had people tied up
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: in the closet. Nobody knew.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 8: They thought I was going to drink because I kept
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 8: on rubbing bourbon under my neck right here to throw them.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: Off. And so, therefore, my answer stands. Ten skulls.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: Ten skulls. Okay. I mean, that is a very good rating.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: Ten out of ten skulls. I give it five skulls
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: just because I would have liked to finish the tour
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: in a timely manner.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 5: Well, that's true, too. Yeah, I guess I'll remove one
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: skull for him. I'll give it nine skulls, removing one skull,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: because he tried to tell us that it was going
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: to be five minutes behind the castle, and then immediately
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: changed it to 50 minutes behind the castle.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: That's got to cost at least one skull.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: When you do that, you lose a skull immediately.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: You know what? The older I get, guys, and I
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: don't know why this surprises me, because... I've always said
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: attention is today's currency, but the reality is attention has
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: always been a currency. It's worth more than the almighty dollar.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: And everywhere you go, you know what? I'd almost say,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: they always say the answer to 99 out of a
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: hundred questions is money. I'd almost say the answer to
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: 99 out of a hundred questions is attention. I mean,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: you go back, like you just, Every politician, everything they
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: say is for attention. Everything they do is for attention.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: Most people out here are doing most of the things
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: for attention. I mean, you can say I'm doing this
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: podcast for some sort of attention.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: But think about it.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Everything is for some kind of attention, right? I mean,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: this is crazy.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: What comes with attention? What usually comes with attention?
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Money. Money.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: And that's what it is. When you see people seeking
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: something like that, you can almost always trace it back
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: to money to some degree. And again, you're like, not
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: all attention comes with money. But generally, when you get
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: that attention, if you can harness it, it comes with money.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it doesn't matter how you get it. So
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: many people get mad because there's like nefarious ways of
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: getting attention. Like, oh, this serial killer killed 100 people. Oh,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: he's such a horrible person. I'll buy his book. I'll
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: watch the documentary he was on. Don't worry about that.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: What's the old saying?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: No press is bad press.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: All press is good press.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: All press is good press.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: That's exactly what that saying means. Um, as long as
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: they're talking about you, that's why I always used to
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: think it was funny with the paparazzi people. Like Britney
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: Spears would be like.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Just leave me alone.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: Ah, and you're sitting there thinking if they left you alone,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: you'd be dying for them to be taking a picture
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: of you right now.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: Shut up.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: They're the whole reason you exist.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, how did my titty pop out? Oh, it was horrible.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: What happened? Did you get that on camera? Did you
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: quote that?
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: I just thought of a screenplay, too. What if, going
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: on your idea... People go to, let's say, the Franklin
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: Castle in this movie for a one-hour tour. And the
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: tour just keeps going on and on and on. And
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: they get to like four hours in, five hours in.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: And then they all start breaking off and looking for
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: ways out. And they just find more rooms. And they
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: find more hallways that lead to nowhere. And they keep
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: trying to get out and they can't. And they always
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: find their way back to the tour guide.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: And he's like.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: let me tell you about this oriental wallpaper. And it
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: just goes on and on and on and they just
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: can't get out and the movie ends and it's just
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: them in the window and they're the woman in black now.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: I will say to all listeners, to my listeners and
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: to your listeners, I think your listeners will like this
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit more, but there was a book written
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: And you have to read the book because you can't
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: make a movie out of it because the way the
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: book's written. And you'll know what I'm talking about if
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: you've ever read it. But Michael, this guy named Michael Daniel,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Daniel Loosky or Daniel, something like that, wrote a book
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: called House of Leaves. And if you're not going to
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: get an audio book on this, guys, it does not
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: exist because it wouldn't do it justice. But if you
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: read House of Leaves, it is one of the craziest
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: books ever. I've ever read in my entire life. There's
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: no other way to preface it. There's no other way
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: to talk about it, but it's about a house and there's,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: it's about so much more than this house, but it's
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: about a house. And when you measure it from the outside,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: it's certain dimensions, but when you measure it from the inside,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: for some reason, the outside dimensions are, are three quarters
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: of an inch larger, no matter how you account for
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: what's inside the walls or how deep the walls are,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: what's going on with the walls. Then they get inside
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: this door and there's this labyrinth in there. It's an
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: unending labyrinth of just levels that go down and in
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: and out. And it's pure pitch black and it's nothing.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: You can just, your voice echoes in it. And it's
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: just this, expanding space within this three quarters of an inch.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: And you don't know how it got there or why
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: it's there. And they're trying to do a documentary of like,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: how deep is this going to go and what's going
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: to happen in it. And I'll just read the book.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: It's just like that. It's freaking insane. Amazing. House of leaves.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: Look, look what, look what this. See, and this is
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: why I give it 10 skulls. Look at the creepiness
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: that this has brought us to of just telling these
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 5: weird stories about just from like what that guy could
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: be in that house or the possibilities of that. I'll
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: even just say one more quickly. Think about the last couple.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: What if the guy's whole plan, what if the whole
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: plot of the whole thing is to make the tour
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: last so long that people just start going, I'm sorry, dude,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: I can't, I just can't go. Like we left, then
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: those people followed us. At the end of every tour,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: there's always one person that loves the castle so much
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 5: that they stay for the whole tour and they get
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: added to the castle.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 6: So all the ghosts are the ghosts of the tour.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: The tour is.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: The last, the last person standing. That's like, I love
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: this place. They kill them and make them a permanent part.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: Oh my God. The house absorbs them.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: Bam. See, I'm glad we have all this documented. I'm
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 5: going to write at least two of these screenplays.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. That would be such a good movie.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: No, that's what I'm saying. See, so that's cool.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: 10 skulls.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 5: It's 10 skull worthy just because of the creepy vibes
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: it gives up to give you ideas.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: True, true.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: But you know, if you think about it, like I
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: wonder what, he said after we left, like, how do
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: you justify how long you've been going?
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: Do you think he was like apologetic and being like,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: I'm so sorry.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, or was he like those jerks? I
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: can't believe I'm glad they're gone.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: They must not appreciate architecture. Some people just don't understand.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: Dude, I'm telling you, man, I, it, you really can't
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: describe what that tour was unless you just take it.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: It was a ghost tour, but like in more ways than.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: One, it was a ghost tour. If you like remove ghosts.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: And shut up, Brian, on an adventure.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: If you remove like fun and you remove ghosts and
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: you remove, uh.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: It's fun now that it's over.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: No, it was a great experience.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: It'll be a forever memory.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: I actually don't regret one bit of it. But, yeah.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: Did you guys have weird stuff in the photos you took?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: No. Remember I wasn't allowed to take photos? Who knows?
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: Did you, brother?
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I got a picture of two weirdos.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: I sent it to you guys. It was you two.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: In the mirror.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: Was there a decapitated body behind us or anything?
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: No, no. I honestly, there was no.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 5: But to Brian's point, there were a couple of places
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: in the house where I did feel creeped out.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: I will say that. There were some creepy places.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: And there were at least two, there were those two
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 5: rooms where there was an actual, you could feel the
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: difference in temperature.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: In just those two rooms. It was significantly colder in
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: those two rooms for no reason. So I'll give it
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 5: that as well.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: Did you get the creeps in the pagan festival room?
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: I did. Yeah. I thought it was very creepy in there.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: The only other thing I'm going to add to this,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: and I did this to my sister on the way
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: home because her little bitch ass never wants to. she's
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: the type of person that's like, will you drive me?
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: You know, park parking's probably going to be a bitch.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: It's like, you just don't want to drive. Come on.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: But I'm driving her home. And I looked at her
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: and I go, Don't look in your rearview mirror because
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: one of the ghosts and spirits probably followed you back
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: and is going to be sitting in your backseat while
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: you're driving home. And she goes, shut your fucking mouth
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: right now. Shut your mouth, Brian. I don't want to
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: hear about that. I said, oh, no, it's definitely going
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: to happen. I could tell that. they were definitely checking
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: you out throughout the entire tour. And they're probably latched
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: on to you. Like I've seen in so many horror documentaries.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: And she goes, she goes, just shut up.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: That's so stupid. So stupid that you'd even say something
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: so stupid. God, that's stupid. I drop her off. And
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: I go, And I start looking in my rearview mirror
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: and I go, fuck, I'm scared myself. I kept thinking
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: there was going to be somebody in my rearview mirror
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: sitting in my backseat. And I couldn't stop thinking about it.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, God damn it. And so I get
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: back to the house and I'm by myself and I'm like,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm closing my door. I'm closing my door.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be fine. I'll leave one light on.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: I'm good.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: Nobody's in. And the heat had kicked on or something.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden I hear boom. Because the
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: door had like because of the pressure difference in the room.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 5: Boom.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: Dude, I jumped out of my sheets. All because of
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: that stupid tour with the no ghosts. And I scared myself.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: Then I got back into bed and I was perfectly
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: fine after that. But I totally freaked myself out, ladies
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: and gentlemen.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: Now, Julie, that's why I say this is a heat.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: You got to go four stars to six stars now
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 5: or skulls.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: You got to take it to six skulls.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 4: I will take it to eight skulls. I will take
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 4: it to eight skulls. And I'll tell you why. Because
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 4: now that he said that, it adds a whole nother
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: dimension to what happened to Brittany and I when we
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: got home.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: What?
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: So, you know, she's upset. And then she's like talking
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: about how upset she is all the way. One hour
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 4: drive from Cleveland back to her house. And she lives
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 4: in the middle of nowhere. Literally no neighbors, no streetlights, nothing.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: So no, not even. Yeah. She has no wifi, nothing.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: So we pulled back up to her house. And we
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: all got out of the car and put our jammies on.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: And she had made a bedroom up for me to
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: sleep in the extra bedroom. But I'm scared to death
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: of doing anything like that, sleeping by myself in a
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: dark room. So I was like, I'm going to sleep
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: on the couch. And JJ was scared. So she went
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 4: and slept in the bed with Brittany that night. And
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 4: I'm by myself in the pitch black living room in
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 4: every creak. Every whisper of the wind, everything. I was
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: just like, oh, like all night, like I couldn't sleep.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 4: But I finally fell asleep. And I was like, nothing
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 4: followed us out of there. We should be good. I
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 4: think we're probably good. And then the next morning, Brittany
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 4: wakes up and she was like, I had nightmares all
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 4: night last night that I was walking through the house
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 4: and trying to get out. And every door I opened
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 4: led to another hallway, to another door. And then we
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: talked to Kim and she was like, I had nightmares
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: all night last night that I couldn't get out of
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: the house. And I was like, oh, my god we're
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 4: all gonna die so i mean it does like that's
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 4: a forever memory that you don't forget about that's like
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: having a haunted house experience as a family yeah.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 5: Very very true i didn't get a chance to be
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 5: scared like that i came back to the city downtown
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 5: and was stepping over urine oh.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 4: My god you didn't even have a.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 5: Little bit of creeps i didn't have time to be
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: creeped out i was i was busy trying to feed
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: the meters on my void the parking bans downtown. Oh
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 5: my god. Which is scarier than any haunted house there
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 5: is dealing with parking bans downtown.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 4: But at least we know the tour guide is not
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: a ghost because the restaurant we went to afterwards said
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: that he's a frequent visitor.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: Of the bar. Surprise! Well, we knew that. Surprise!
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were all sitting there talking about it. And
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 4: I said the joke about he said his name was Jeans,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: but with no J and an I and no A.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 4: And we all started laughing like that's not Jeans. And
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 4: then the waitress comes up and she goes, oh, you're
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 4: talking about yawns. He comes to the bar all the time.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 4: And we all were like, what? Of course he does.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 4: At least we know he's real.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 5: Well, now we know we were talking shit. And that
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 5: was all his friends we were talking shit in front of.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 4: Dude, the waitress, she was like, so you wouldn't do
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: it again? Like even just for like the experience of it.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: And we were all like, no, but that was like
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: the heat of the moment.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would do it if they would lock me
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 5: in for one hour. I would just do one hour
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 5: by myself walking around.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 4: That's how I was self-guided tour.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 5: Self-guided one hour tour.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: Let's throw it all out there. Let's throw it all
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: out there. Let's see where you guys really where your
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: allegiances really lie. If I came to you and said,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the night in the Franklin Castle.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: I have a room. We have up to four people.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: And a Ouija board. Oh, damn. Are you in or
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: are you out?
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 4: I'm in minus the Ouija board.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: You're in minus the Ouija board.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: I'm in minus the Ouija board.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: Well, how are we going to communicate?
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: We're just going to do like an EVP sesh.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: EVP sesh.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: We're just going to turn the recorder on our phone
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: and go around and ask questions and then listen to
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: the audio back later.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: Oh, well, I bet you I know what one of
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: the voices are going to say.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: You're a pussy. You're a pussy. Get out.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 5: Get the Ouija board out and we are going to
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 5: summon some demons, baby. And we're going to go right
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: into the dense, dark room with the pagan music. Hell no.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: We are going to summon demons.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: I'm in for the sleepover minus the Ouija, brother.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: Well, fine.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 5: I'll bring Arby's then instead. It's either a Ouija board
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 5: or some really good chicken tenders from Arby's.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's it.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: I'll take a beef and cheddar. But are you in
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 4: for the sleepover with or without Ouija board?
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 5: I'll show up either way. For me, which pajamas am
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 5: I going to bring? That's all I'm worried about.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 4: Are you going to partake in the investigation? Are you
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: going to sit there the whole time and crack jokes?
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 5: No, I will partake. I'll partake and crack jokes at
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 5: the same time.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: I can walk and chew gum. There's no problem at all.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: I would, you know, I haven't done it. I don't
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: think I've done a Ouija board in 20 years, but
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: I would probably do it. Just put my hands up.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 4: Oh my God, Brian.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. And then I'd be like, are you
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: moving it or am I moving it? Are you moving
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: it or am I moving it? It's moving it. Oh
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: my God, I'm not moving it. And then somebody else
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: would be, I'm not moving it. Meanwhile, it's spelling things
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: and all our ADD is like, No, I didn't pick
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: up any of that. That's all gibberish to me. What
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: is that? German? Are you spelling German words?
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 4: Is that German for fork?
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: Suddenly in the corner of the room, we summon Jans.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 5: And he's like, did you call me?
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, no, no, no. Go back. Go back.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: Go back.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: You'd be like, no, yeah, I'm scared. Now he's standing there.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 8: Did I show you the toilet that was installed in
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 8: 2014 that.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 5: Has nothing to do with the.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: House? The toilet seat is heated.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 8: I got it from Walmart on sale.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with anything.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's imported from a place called, what do you
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: call it? Chima? Oh, my God.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 5: I got these.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 8: Look at these 150-year-old towels.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: They came from a place called Bed, Bath, and Beyond.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 4: Beyond. Let's put some ribbons on this, though. The Franklin Castle.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 4: I think it could potentially be haunted. I think it's
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 4: worth going on the tour if you're... listening to this
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: episode and you know what to expect and you clear
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 4: out your afternoon and you eat like you said brian
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: beforehand and honest to god the next person who goes
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: on the tour they need to like Be the douchebag
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: to say, can we go on to the next room?
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 4: Or like, can you cut this? Like, somebody needs to edit.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: Here, here.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 5: You want to ribbon this thing up? I will ribbon
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 5: this thing up.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: Don't take the tour. Don't take the tour at all.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: Don't even think about taking the tour.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 5: Stay in the house overnight.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: Boom. Wait a minute.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 5: Taking the tour, you will get a much better experience
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 5: if you can get sealed up in that house by
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 5: yourself for any length of time.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: I do wonder, because they do ghost tours there, I
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: wonder if he avoids talking anything about ghosts unless you
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: pay the $ 100 ghost tour fee. The $ 35 fee is just,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going to walk you around and talk about renovations.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: But the $ 100... 9 p.m. to 2 a.m. ghost tour, which,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: by the way, I believe probably goes till 10 o'clock
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: in the morning. Oh, yeah, they'd still be there. They'd
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: still be there.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 4: Breakfast is not provided.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, breakfast is not provided.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 5: I think that's the point, though. The more time you
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 5: can spend in the house unsupervised, I think the better.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 5: I think that's when you'll start feeling energies. having more
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 5: opportunities to see things, um, that I that's, so that's
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 5: what I would say.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: My advice would be just stay in the house.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 5: If you're really that interested in it, just stay there
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 5: for a night.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 4: I agree without a Ouija board.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: Yes. Or however you decide to do it. Well, with
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: that being said, I'm ready to wrap everything up. Um,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: I appreciate every, I appreciate everybody, uh, going on this
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: tour with us, the verbal tour, which I actually think
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: will hopefully be a little bit more interesting than the
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: actual tour.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 4: Probably so.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe bring your earbuds with you and just listen to
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: us talk this crap as you walk around the actual house.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: It would be a phenomenal tour idea. That'd be genius.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: But I appreciate everybody coming on, and I appreciate you
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: coming out. How was your trip, by the way, before
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: we go?
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, I thought it was great. I thought it was
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: some good bonding time. I got to see my brother
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: more than I did for most of my life in
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: this short week. He actually hung out with me every
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: day while I was up there. And I think there's
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 4: something to be said about, like, our family is small,
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  Speaker 4: but we're really close. And we all, like, love the
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  Speaker 4: same stuff, too. Because a lot of people have to, like,
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  Speaker 4: take their friends on ghost tours or something. But we're all, like,
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  Speaker 4: into it. And we're all like, let's do it together.
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  Speaker 4: And that's, like, forever memories and stuff. I think it
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  Speaker 4: was great.
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  Speaker 5: I do, too.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And let's do it again, man.
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  Speaker 5: Like I said, believe in ghosts or not, if it
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  Speaker 5: helps spend time with your family, I'm all for it.
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  Speaker 6: Same.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go get locked in an insanatorium next time.
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  Speaker 1: Whether you're alone with your family and out and you
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  Speaker 1: feel like you need to stop and get a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a drink or let's say you're giving a
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  Speaker 1: tour and Hell, it's been 20 minutes since your last drink,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe you need to sneak off into another room
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  Speaker 1: and get another one. When you do it, just do
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  Speaker 1: it in the name of Cleveland Schwill, and I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what. As long as you do it in the
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  Speaker 1: name of Cleveland Schwill, we appreciate you, and we'll see
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  Speaker 1: you next time. Bye!
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  Speaker 6: © transcript Emily Beynon