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LeBron's Documentary Backfired Spectacularly (Shut up and Dribble) · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: If you go back and look at the old basketball
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  Speaker 1: cards sixties seventies, even it's all a bunch of short,
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  Speaker 1: white Jewish guys like that's literally what the NBA was
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  Speaker 1: made out of.
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  Speaker 2: Under the Dogs, Yeah, under the Dogs, very famer with
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  Speaker 2: regular looks.
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  Speaker 3: Funny could they.
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  Speaker 2: Arise all the shots they connect the dogs, under the docks,
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  Speaker 2: under the ducks, Yeah, under the docks. Ye, under the Dogs.
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  Speaker 3: Ohoy matey.
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  Speaker 4: This is under the Docks with Paranoid American and Sean
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  Speaker 4: Chris charting through treacherous ways of documentaries to let you
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  Speaker 4: and dribble.
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  Speaker 3: What just shut up?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 3: And this is a film that was from It's.
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  Speaker 4: Actually a series, a twenty eighteen series directed by Gotham
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  Speaker 4: Charopa and narrated by Jamail Hill, produced by Lebron James
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  Speaker 4: Production Company, kind of get where I'm going Where this
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  Speaker 4: hotel might lead you, But basically it follows the history
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  Speaker 4: of the NBA and a little bit of all sports
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  Speaker 4: and mixing it with the civil rights movement.
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  Speaker 3: Plotting the course, Shut Up.
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  Speaker 4: And Dribble is a series that argues about particularly black
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  Speaker 4: athletes having political not agendas per se, but their voice
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  Speaker 4: to be heard and how it kind of match hand
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  Speaker 4: in hand with the civil rights movement as they also
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  Speaker 4: kind of lifted up companies like the NBA. Specifically, they
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  Speaker 4: hone in on the NBA because this is produced by
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  Speaker 4: Lebron James and it's all like basketball players. They make
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  Speaker 4: a couple of references to other things, but predominantly it's
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  Speaker 4: the history of the NBA, how it started, and basically
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  Speaker 4: that white players made it sucky, and then black players
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  Speaker 4: came in and made it marketable and easy to sell.
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  Speaker 1: Not just white players, but it was like nineteen if
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  Speaker 1: you go back and look at the old basketball cards,
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  Speaker 1: sixties seventies, even it's all a bunch of short, white
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  Speaker 1: Jewish guys, like that's literally what the NBA was made
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  Speaker 1: out of. And then like the first black guy that
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  Speaker 1: came in that was over seven foot, just dominated NonStop.
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  Speaker 5: They had a band slam Dugs for a little while.
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  Speaker 5: They had to like ban all kinds of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So it was it was an interesting series showing how
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  Speaker 1: they straight up just came in and dominated the sport, right,
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  Speaker 1: They just took over everything. So it's interesting from this
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  Speaker 1: perspective too, because they go back early to some of
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  Speaker 1: the first phenoms, and it's weird, man, seeing these young,
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  Speaker 1: like fifteen sixteen year old awkward ass kids. Right, if
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  Speaker 1: you're seven foot and you're in high school, you're already
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  Speaker 1: a little bit awkward, even if you're great basketball. And
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  Speaker 1: even worse though, because those early dudes, it was before
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  Speaker 1: it was cool to be like the good basketball player. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you would like stand out and you're playing the sport
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  Speaker 1: that no one really cares about, and you're dunking on
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  Speaker 1: these Jewish guys, so just you look like like a
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  Speaker 1: bad guy. Right, So it's like a slow migration from them.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the first big one, let me just
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  Speaker 1: say the three episodes.
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  Speaker 5: The first one was really.
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  Speaker 1: Good, the second one was like, okay, interesting, I've seen
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  Speaker 1: some of this, and then the third one it kind
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  Speaker 1: of drops off.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure we're gonna get into that.
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  Speaker 1: The first one was really good and and I like
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  Speaker 1: how they were showing how a chema dul Jabbar kind
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  Speaker 1: of came up that originally he was this awkward high
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  Speaker 1: schooler and then once he realized that he had a
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  Speaker 1: voice and he had power, and then he was turning
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  Speaker 1: into some kind of an icon. He was like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna do what feels right to me, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what all the advisors and all the
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  Speaker 1: coaches are saying.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just gonna do me.
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  Speaker 1: And that was I think that that was legitimately like
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  Speaker 1: an interesting point that they were making.
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  Speaker 5: Like I didn't. I didn't feel like they were like
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  Speaker 5: woke beating me over the head or anything.
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  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, it's you see the development.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, even with Bill Russell, like as you alluded to,
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  Speaker 4: Bill Russell for the Boston Celtics was the first like
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  Speaker 4: name that sort of dominating. But there's always arguments because
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  Speaker 4: people go, he must be the greatest, he has the
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  Speaker 4: most championships, this and that, and the people are like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he was facing like five foot nine Jewish kids for
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  Speaker 4: the Bronx.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does diminish for some people.
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  Speaker 4: And even seeing the film, you're like, oh, yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 4: I'm hope you like block the crap out of these
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  Speaker 4: guys and don't let them get a because remember there's
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  Speaker 4: a scene where they're talking to Bill Russell and they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: don't do that. Like he's like, that's not how you
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  Speaker 4: play defense, which I think some of it's alluded to,
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  Speaker 4: and it may be at the times because I will say, like, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: like during that time, there was a split and I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't alive, right, I wasn't in that.
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  Speaker 3: Moment, but from what we seen and heard.
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  Speaker 4: Through people like obviously like they're probably white coaches, like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: don't do that streetball shit, right, like this ain't this
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  Speaker 4: NBA man, And I could imagine that happening. And there's
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  Speaker 4: a part where he a guy drives through the lane
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  Speaker 4: and Bill just does his own thing and blocks him,
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  Speaker 4: and he's like, don't ever do that defense again. And
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  Speaker 4: then he continues to fall back and do the coaches
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  Speaker 4: defense and he's like they're scoring at will and he's like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going back to my way, and then he like
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  Speaker 4: proceeds to have like ten blocks or something like a
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  Speaker 4: crazy amount of blocks in a game.
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  Speaker 1: I love that because the first thing it reminded me
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  Speaker 1: of was like Happy Gilmore, where you got this guy
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  Speaker 1: that just like strolls in off the street and everyone's saying,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, that's not how we play this game.
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  Speaker 5: But then he just dominated.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that one's fictional, but we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: the real version of that. So yeah, that was probably
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  Speaker 1: one of the more interesting parts of this whole series
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  Speaker 1: of showing how he was dominating. He was dunk and
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  Speaker 1: he was blocking, and all the coaches like Eve, the
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  Speaker 1: ones on his team that like he's winning for and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you know, cut it with all the
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  Speaker 1: street ball stuff, just you know, for these games here
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  Speaker 1: and when he said no, and he became one of
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  Speaker 1: the best in the game because he said no. If
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  Speaker 1: he had played along, then it could have changed the
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  Speaker 1: trajectory of NBA forever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's part of the point too, is that these
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  Speaker 4: players have really lifted up, you know, like the stars
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  Speaker 4: are what makes the league.
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  Speaker 3: That's obvious, right, if.
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  Speaker 4: You have no you have no movie, you have no
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  Speaker 4: sports league. It's all entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: You know. We'll get into more of that and another time.
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  Speaker 4: But I think that then you see the uh Creem
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  Speaker 4: abdul Jabbar, which his old name was lu Al Sinder,
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  Speaker 4: right then he got his uh musclim name, which is
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  Speaker 4: uh Kareem abdul Jabbar, and he was like, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 4: like seven to two or something like that, and that's
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  Speaker 4: like at the time, there's no other seven two guys.
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  Speaker 3: I think Bill Walton played with him at u c.
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  Speaker 5: L A.
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  Speaker 4: And he was like maybe almost seven feet or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: but he dominated. Like UCLA still to this day has
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  Speaker 4: the most national championships in basketball over anybody. I think
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  Speaker 4: they won like four or five in a row with Wooded,
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  Speaker 4: their their Wooded, their their coach, and Kareem. Like it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't just Kareem, but I mean, obviously Kareem started that dominance,
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  Speaker 4: and then when you have that, you attract more players.
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  Speaker 4: But as you said, he was a very quiet, soft
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  Speaker 4: spoken guy. Once he got into college, I think he
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  Speaker 4: got interested in, like the civil rights movement, got interested
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  Speaker 4: in making some things happen and having more clout and people.
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  Speaker 3: To talk to.
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  Speaker 4: Like Jim Brown, who was like a civil rights guy
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  Speaker 4: from back of the day, also played for the Browns.
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  Speaker 4: Then you had Bill Russell, Muhammad Ali, these top athletes.
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  Speaker 3: At the time, and then them actually speaking out.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the whole film is trying to argue
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  Speaker 4: that activism's not new in sports, right, And I think
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  Speaker 4: they do a will job in that first episode of
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  Speaker 4: showing you that because I do agree with, like, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: at the time, the climate was very different, and but
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  Speaker 4: what they'll lead you to believe as the episodes go
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  Speaker 4: on is that the climate is exactly the same, if
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  Speaker 4: not worse, right, Like it's not that it's so they're
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  Speaker 4: comparing to what like Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown, Jackie Robinson,
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  Speaker 4: like all these legends that were like forefathers of getting
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  Speaker 4: in the leagues and like creating this and actually going
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  Speaker 4: through a lot of hell. Like they're comparing that to
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  Speaker 4: like Ron James later in the other episodes, and and
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  Speaker 4: one of the other like things that they claim that
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  Speaker 4: I didn't like either.
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  Speaker 3: They kind of take shots at Larry Bird.
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  Speaker 4: So then like like Bird's just like he's just doing
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  Speaker 4: his thing, bro, Like he gets shit on all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Like even when they talk about the greatest of all time,
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  Speaker 4: they're like, oh, Bird would not be able to play
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  Speaker 4: in this generation. And then you go talk to the
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  Speaker 4: people that played against him, they're like, dude, that guy
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  Speaker 4: will play in any anytime because he's just a competitor,
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  Speaker 4: right like and then they go, well, Larry Bird came,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Magic Johnson was like the guy really the
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  Speaker 4: star was Magic johnsonid that we had the great white hope,
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  Speaker 4: Larry Bird, and then the only clip they have of
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  Speaker 4: him and where he goes, oh, the black players are
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  Speaker 4: better than me, Like you know what I mean, that's
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  Speaker 4: clip they use of him, and I'm like, that's kind
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  Speaker 4: of like, I just didn't like that because Larry has
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  Speaker 4: never done anything to take strays. He just took a
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  Speaker 4: stray and all he was trying to do is like
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  Speaker 4: be one of the best basketball players of all time.
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  Speaker 1: And it is kind of funny how they show and
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  Speaker 1: I guess I assume that this part was real. Who
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  Speaker 1: knows if this part was accurate, but that Larry Bird again,
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  Speaker 1: he was just, Hey, I want to play basketball.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really great at it.
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  Speaker 1: And then the rest of the world was like, you're
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  Speaker 1: the great white hope. You're here the last beacon of
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  Speaker 1: white people, you know, staying in the NBA. We need
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  Speaker 1: to fight back these blacks, and he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say any of that. I'm literally just here
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  Speaker 1: to play ball. And he even had to apologize at
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  Speaker 1: one point because he said something about like if this
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  Speaker 1: player were white, he would have got more attention, or
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  Speaker 1: if this player were black, like he kind of made
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  Speaker 1: a racial insinuation and he wasn't even trying to make
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  Speaker 1: a statement.
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  Speaker 5: He wasn't trying to start a movement.
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  Speaker 1: He was just making I get what sounded like true
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  Speaker 1: to him, and it turned him into this whole political minefield.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm as I'm talking about it now and thinking
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  Speaker 1: back when we were watching this, do you think that
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  Speaker 1: in fifty years someone's going to be talking about Lebron
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  Speaker 1: or talking about Colin Kaepernick and being like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: they were at the forefront of the second wave of
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  Speaker 1: the civil rights movement and just not realize and or
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  Speaker 1: is even some of these stories maybe they're also kind
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  Speaker 1: of like grandized, right just because they've elapsed by fifty
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  Speaker 1: years now.
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  Speaker 4: Well we might if we're speaking Mandarin in twenty years, right,
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  Speaker 4: like we may be talking about about Lebron, James and
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  Speaker 4: all them. Yeah. And as Isaiah Thomas also got in trouble.
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  Speaker 4: He was played for the Pistons a point guard. He
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  Speaker 4: was vocal also about like saying that white you know,
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  Speaker 4: athletes were getting more looked or there's more he said,
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  Speaker 4: I think there's more black athletes that are better than
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  Speaker 4: Larry something. It's not a quote what I'm saying, but
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  Speaker 4: he kind of like took a shot. It was how
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  Speaker 4: he felt, and then it became a whole political racial thing,
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  Speaker 4: and I think he just felt at the time like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, no, we got more players that are like this.
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  Speaker 4: But which is interesting too, is because like I think,
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  Speaker 4: it just depends on your team. It's team mentality, because
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  Speaker 4: you don't hear Isaiah Thomas calling out Bill Lambier, who
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  Speaker 4: was white who played on his team.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he's always like.
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  Speaker 4: Bill and Beard tough guy, like you know, he getting
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  Speaker 4: laying rough you up. So it's like people pick and choose.
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  Speaker 4: Of course he hated Larry Bird. They were like rivals.
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  Speaker 4: They were in the same conference. They were like competing
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  Speaker 4: for championships.
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  Speaker 1: And to be fair, it's from all the other basketball
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  Speaker 1: documentaries we've seen. Most people have some kind of a
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  Speaker 1: bone to pick with Isaiah Thomas, And I wonder what
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  Speaker 1: the specific thing is, but I definitely know on the
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  Speaker 1: court he would just straight up aggressively value and make
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  Speaker 1: it a point to just get right up to his
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  Speaker 1: limit because that was the way they play. And so
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  Speaker 1: maybe players didn't appreciate that part, but like no one
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  Speaker 1: seemed to really want him on the team. No one
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  Speaker 1: want him on the Olympic team either.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 4: If all the biggest stars were like, yeah, Isaiah can't
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  Speaker 4: be on our team.
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  Speaker 5: Like he's good, but yeah we don't want him on.
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  Speaker 5: We don't want him on the team.
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  Speaker 3: We hate him, like we hate him. That's basically what
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  Speaker 3: you get.
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  Speaker 4: So the first episode, I would say, I think a
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  Speaker 4: good and analysis of it would be like, it's the backstory,
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  Speaker 4: it's the true history of like how the NBA started
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  Speaker 4: and all this civil rights stuff and athletes speaking now,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't let me just say this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with athletes speaking out.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have to listen either, right, Like, I don't care,
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  Speaker 4: like anybody could have an opinion. We're talking about athletes,
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  Speaker 4: but we could talk about movie stars anybody, Like who
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  Speaker 4: cares about any anybody's opinion unless I agree with.
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  Speaker 3: It or something I could use and be used in
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  Speaker 3: my life.
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  Speaker 1: There's an extra dynamic on this one too, in the
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  Speaker 1: first and I know this is just adding bias and
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  Speaker 1: maybe they shouldn't even factor in, but in this first episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the ogs, and the ogs are not
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  Speaker 1: I mean inflation happen everything, But they're not making lots
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  Speaker 1: of money doing this. This is not a well paying career.
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  Speaker 1: You could almost go into any trade at the time
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  Speaker 1: and have out made what they're making. That like Kareem
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  Speaker 1: Abdul Jabbar and everyone that follows after that, they kind
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  Speaker 1: of set the standard of like, oh, you can actually
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  Speaker 1: make some real money in this because of how they
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  Speaker 1: played it, because of how they made everyone play to there.
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  Speaker 1: They were even going up in Congress and demanding the
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  Speaker 1: ability to get paid more, and that there was it
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  Speaker 1: was almost a monopoly, like you weren't allowed to trade
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  Speaker 1: yourself around. So like they actually made political changes that
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  Speaker 1: allow the future generations to make money.
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  Speaker 5: But there's a huge.
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  Speaker 1: Difference between here's this dude not getting paid, not getting
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  Speaker 1: any credit because he's doing a thing that's not even
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  Speaker 1: like a superstardom thing, and yet he's still pushing forward
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  Speaker 1: and he's still kicking ass doing it, versus here's someone
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  Speaker 1: that came fifty years later, they're already a multi millionaire,
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  Speaker 1: their third string, they're kind of keeping the bench warm,
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  Speaker 1: and now they're making a statement. It's hard to compare
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  Speaker 1: those two things and see him as equals.
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  Speaker 4: No, I totally agree with you, because it's like they
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  Speaker 4: were the biggest stars of the time and if you,
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  Speaker 4: like you said, calculate for inflation and put it into
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  Speaker 4: now standards, You're like, because Lebron speaks out on Twitter,
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  Speaker 4: but he also backtracks a lot, right, And then I'm like, okay, bro,
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  Speaker 4: it's not the same as you're like, oh yeah, he's
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  Speaker 4: willing to lose everything.
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  Speaker 3: Like when you're seeing Jim Brown.
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  Speaker 4: Best running back of the times, right, one of the
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  Speaker 4: top NFL players at the time, Kareem map Bujabbar, one
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  Speaker 4: of the top NBA players at the time, nobody no comparison,
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  Speaker 4: young guy coming into the NBA. Bill Russell already established
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  Speaker 4: one of the greatest of all time. And then you
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  Speaker 4: got Muhammad Ali, one of the greatest boxers of all time.
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  Speaker 4: And there was more that people forget too. It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: just that they were talking about civil rights and stuff
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  Speaker 4: like that. There was also a lot of activism against
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  Speaker 4: the Vietnam War. They don't really go into it in
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  Speaker 4: this documentary, but that was also in this time where
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  Speaker 4: people felt a certain way. I I'm with you, and
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  Speaker 4: maybe it is my bias, but I give more respect
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  Speaker 4: to what they were doing than necessarily what some of
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  Speaker 4: these athletes are doing, because it does seem more, let's say,
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  Speaker 4: not staged, but it's beneficial in other arenas, right Like,
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  Speaker 4: it feels like you're trying to get some credit from
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  Speaker 4: the public so you could sell something. And maybe that's
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  Speaker 4: a jaded to look at it, but I mean that's
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  Speaker 4: what we see. Because then they start getting into the
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  Speaker 4: more political stuff of the modern times.
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  Speaker 3: They go into like Mohammad.
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  Speaker 4: Abdul Rahif who used to play for the Denver Nuggets,
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  Speaker 4: and there was a controversy well before kapperening where he
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't look at the flag, right like, he was like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna look at the flag.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna turn away.
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  Speaker 4: It was it was meant to be showing people that
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not supporting this and this is not my beliefs.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: And then he got shunned, and then he wants to
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: claim that that's why he's out of the NBA. Now,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: I do agree that there's politics. There's politics at all
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: of our jobs. I don't care what job you work.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: There's people that like you, there's people that don't like you,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: and the people that don't like you.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: If there's enough of them, they will try to get
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: you fired.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I think that that may play some of a part,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: but I think he started going downhill.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: He had some major injuries that they don't talk.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: About, but they that's where the problems come and arise
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: at this point for me, where you're like, oh, well, yeah,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: he's just trying to demonstrate that and his cause was
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: more like his religion and all stuff like that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: He wasn't like, oh, I'm trying to save the world and.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: That's fine, but you're going to if you know this
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: is my point, you know you're gonna probably catch backlash.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: It's just part of how the world works.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: People don't understand everybody's thoughts and opinions. So when you
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: make a stand like this that's public on a public
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: you know streaming where back then TV, but you're you're
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: broadcasting it to the regular people, they're gonna feel the
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: type of way. There's not gonna be context there, like
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: this cherk off Man, he's not this Merca.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: You know this Merca.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: You should know that, and to pretend that this doesn't exist,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: because then they get into the Colin Kaepernick stuff, which
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: personally I didn't care at the time, Like I even
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: make jokes like when I would go to football games,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: I would see the anthem come on and I'll be like, oh,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: hold on, man, I got a neel real quick, and
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: people they didn't think as funny as I. Me and
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: my friends thought it was funny, but I didn't really
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: care because I'm not And I get like a point
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: of like, you know, hey, man, we're pledge of leading
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: to this country. Man. It like where the conspiratorial would
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: put my tin foil hat on, Like yeah, man, I'm
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: not down with.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: This police state either.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: But the problem is is that it gets co opted
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: because then he's like, oh, I'm anti police, but then
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: it becomes I'm anti police because they only kill black people,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: like police brutality.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Only happens to one race.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: And I thought when this all happened in general, I
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: thought it was a bad message, even with the George
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Floyd stuff where I'm like this is terrible. I'm like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: you have a moment where you can night people be like, hey,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: this is a police state where we have police brutality,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: and then instead it's like, no, it doesn't happen to you.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: It only happens to this certain group of people.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: And I just felt this is where the propaganda that
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I don't like kind of starts seeping in.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: If I had to like summarize the three episodes, the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: first one is that it was unfair because white players
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and white coaches and just a white system was stacked
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: against black players. Seems objectively true, even if you got
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it to feel a certain way about it, that seems
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: like objectively true.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: The second episode is.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: That Alan Iverson fought the racist with its corn rows,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and then the third episode is that I guess Lebron
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: James and Colin Kaepernick are like leading the way astisk
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: are like a little emphasis on Lebron James because it's
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: like and I funded the production of yeah series to
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: go with it, right, and like here's how I'm like
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: all of these other legends. But so it's like, first
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: one objective fact, really interesting snapshown in history, second one
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Alan Iverson's corn rows and sneakers, and then the third
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: one it's all about Lebron James.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Like me too, me too.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I think that's a perfect analysis.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: The only thing I would add is like the baggy
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: pants from Iverson, like like which caused so much controversy,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: but then well I thought it was funny about when
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: they talk about that, because David Stern's like, hey, we
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: need a dress code and all this, and imagine after
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Malice at the Palace. Yeah, after Malice in the Palace.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: So it's not like he has to change the image.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: It's a business. Like I hate how they pretend like
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: it's not a business. He changes it and then like
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: he's like yeah, like they were kind of like painting
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: David Stern in a bad light, which I think there's
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: conspiracies about him and stuff that he may have been
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: involved in. I mean, we talked about some of the
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Michael Jordan's stuff. There's stuff that where he supposedly got
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: like Shaq was like, hey, he's like, you want to
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: play in the cold, you want to play in the
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: warm weather. And he's like and then he gets drafted
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: to Orlando where he wants to go. Same thing with
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Patrick Ewing in the next getting the first overall pick. Right,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: there's conspiracies, it's a business. People are going to do stuff.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: But he goes, yeah, we changed the dress code. Players
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: loved it, and you see it all the time. Look
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: how these players dress now. So to go from like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: oh man, they were trying to take what we had
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: authentic to this and you're like, but you're making millions
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: of dollars. I think that's what they said. They're like, hey, bro,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: you guys are making millions of dollars. I get like,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: you have this image and it's different, and Alan Iverson
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: has to do that. That's his whole brand, right, he
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: needs to keep that up to keep his brand in
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: his image.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Everybody Alan Iverson in a suit.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Let's not pretend like he just wears you know, like
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: like like size fifty jeans every single outfit.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: And I'll say the last episode, what I would add
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: on is not only is it it's Lebron and Kaepernick
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: taking the torch from Bill Russell and Kareem and Jim
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Jim Brown and Muhammad Ali like they they were trying
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: to like be like, look how good we are. Like
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: that's where I started getting it, where they're like, yeah,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I'm just sacrificing my life. And then they made it
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: like yeah, for some reason, everybody went after Lebron when
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: he did the big decision, and everybody's like, yeah, we
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: told him not to do that, Like we advised that
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: this would be bad backlash because you're talking about people,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: fandom people go crazy for these teams. I mean, we
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: covered stuff like the chief Aholic man, the guy was
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: robbing banks for his team man to go see him.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: So people take it personal when someone leaves, and not
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: do you only leave you make a whole big presser
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: about it, and you're like, yeah, I'm taking my talents
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: to South Beach and people felt the type of way.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: So that's where I think they accidentally highlighted why people
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: hate Lebron but didn't intentionally. And another thing they didn't
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: that I always add the reason I disliked Lebron is
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: just because of my own moral compass and how I
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: view things.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: It was Orlando.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Magic, Cleveland Cavaliers Eastern Conference Finals. The Magic beat the Calves,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: who the Calves were like, oh, Lebron's gonna take them.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: He couldn't beat them. The Magic end up going to
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: the NBA Finals against the Lakers and losing. But Lebron
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: walked off the court, didn't shake one person's hand. You're
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: talking about two minutes before the game's over, like throwing
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: a hissy fit. The next year he plays Orlando Magic
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: beats them out of the playoffs. He's like, good game, buddy.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: That just pissed me off, like that's personal. Like I'm like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: that's laying bro, take the defeat. You had to leave
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: the game before it's even over to be like, hey, yeah, man,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: you guys play good. No, he had a hissy fit.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: He was a star his whole life. I guarantee you,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: an Acron, he never paid for anything. I understand that
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: his mother was struggling stuff. I guarantee you. People were
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: coming with all kinds of free gifts because everybody wanted
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: to hop on that hype train. They allude to it
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: a little bit like where they're like, everybody wanted a
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: piece of me. Weren't making no money, and I'm like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know about that because now Jordan.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: But like, the one difference that I do think to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Lebron's credit is that when Jordan was in high school,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: people said that they knew that he could learn fast,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: but he wasn't. He wasn't like a superstar in high school.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: They could see that he was gonna be one. But
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: when it came to Lebron, like Lebron was already superstar
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: status in high school. Everyone already knew that this dude
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: was on a trajector.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's not be let's not be dissing Lebron
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: too much. Like one thing I will say is like
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I don't like Lebron. That's just like my own personal thing.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: But he's probably the greatest athlete to ever play in
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the NBA. Man, Like people go he would have made
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: it in the eighties because he saft, I'm like, bro,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: he's six six, two hundred and forty two hundred and
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: fifty pounds of like with three percent muscle fat, Like
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: he's gonna blow over these old eighty guys. Like they're
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: like Bill Lambier would have been messed him. I'm like, no, bro,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: that Bill Lambier would be in the hospital. So even
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: though I don't personally like some of his views and stuff,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: I obviously know that he's a talented person, like and
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: he's one of the greatest athletes, like the only person
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: you could compare but which we talked about a little
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: bit with Scottie Pippen. But that's another thing. But then
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: they focus on this like you know, trajectory of you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Trayvon Martin. It was interesting because some of this stuff
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: that they're talking about kind of like cross paths with
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: documentaries that we've uh not too long ago, have cross
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: and they again them forever trigger.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Whenever someone brings Trayvon Martin up, I'll be forever triggered.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: And I think from what we came to the conclusion
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: of from watching I forgot what it was called the
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Trayvon Martin document Trayvon hoax. Yeah, we've determined that they
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: they're like, oh Man Zimmerman and guy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: First of all, he wasn't a white guy. They don't
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: mention that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: They who cares just to get over that hump he's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: white guy.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Sure had to use the like he had a hoodie.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: And then then they showed the players that we all
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: were hoodies and and then we got this. I feel
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: like they lash onto a movement and they're like, oh, yeah,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: this is going to be good for your career, like financially,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: and I think that's what has happened. He's been able
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: to be this like paid activist type of stuff, like
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: where you're like, yeah, I'm activist, but I'm getting millions
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: of dollars, so it's easy for me to be in
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: my huge house and telling you. I usually hit the streets, Bud,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: like hit the streets and tell them that you know
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: suck it well.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: The calves to the heat to the calves move that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Lebron made, right, That's actually a great example of what
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, because after he leaves his home, like
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the town that gets drafted into, he's like, oh, when
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I go back there, like, I'm afraid someone's gonna attack me,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid that I'm going to get hurt. And he's
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: got like an actual security team around him. And it
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: was like him saying that as I'm watching, it's like, man,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you really either you really hate the people that you
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: used to be, like this.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Is my town.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I love you all, you know, see, and like now
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: he hates them and he's afraid of them because he
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: kind of knows that he did it wrong a little bit.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And then he goes back right, he returns to them.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: What happened to the security team? Bro, Like you're just
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: You're just fine. You're not afraid for your life anymore.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And and obviously it was because I don't think he
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: was legitimately afraid for his life, but leaning into that,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: leaning into everyone's out to get me. I could be
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: murdered at any time. You know, I need a security
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: detail team. It helps like build this like I'm going
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to be a martyr, Like even like I'm not gonna
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: die right now, but let me just set up the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: roads so that I get perceived as a martyr. There's
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: definitely so much of that in the last episode and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: no of it in the first episode. Like you get
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: an idea in the first episode, no one wants to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: be a martyr.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Right in the.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Third episode, they're like, they're like getting in line for
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the big sign.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: That's like martyr's line up here.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's interesting too.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: And then they get into the Donald Trump, right, the
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: trayvon Donald Trump.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: They're like yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: And then there was the infamous Charlotte's White Supremacist the
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: line that we hear good people on both sides, good
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: people on both sides, right, Like we hear this time
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: and time again, And they started painting delight like it's
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: coming back, Like right, that's how I started feeling. The
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: last ten minutes of the last episode was just like
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: all this stuff that we told you that was bad
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: and we fought through it, it's coming back but ten
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: times worse, and like they try to make it painted
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: again that there's all this racism and white supremacy in
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: America today, like pretty much the way that they describe
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: it as if it's worse today than it was during
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: the Civil Rights.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Hidden treasure and overboard moments. I'm gonna let you go first.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: I got a couple, especially, I'm heavy on overboard, but
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: there is some.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Honestly, every episode had a hidden treasure, whether it was
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: intentional or not. The first one, in general was just great,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Like I grew up with Larry Bird, and fact the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: town that I lived in was where he went to retire.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: He opened up like a little restaurant and stuff. So
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm pro Larry Bird, even if I didn't
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: like the Celtics growing up. But I'm absolutely loved the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: first episode. It gave me so much context. I had
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: heard the Great White Hope, but I guess in my
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like naivete right, I thought that it was just that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: he happened to be white, and it was like, oh,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the Great White Hope. I didn't realize it was literally
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: against the blacks, like that's where that name came from.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I guess I just didn't look that deep into the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: background of Larry Bird. The second one, I kind of
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: knew about the Allen Iverson thing, but I did appreciate
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the perspective of how they were, like they were pitching
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: that up as this next movement of trying to be
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: yourself without playing along by the rules, even though you're
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: making millions. And then the third one was like unintentionally informative,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that one that I just mentioned about how he acted
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like he needed a security team and people were out
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to kill him, and like trying to equate everything with
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the Kaepernick, But it was also gives the viewer like,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: this is not the same as that first episode. Maybe
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: they don't realize that as they're shooting this all together,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: they think they're setting it up, but really by the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: third episode, I'm watching it and it's like, these two
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: things are not the same.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I'll say too, like my biggest hidden treasure was mainly
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: in episode one.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I thought they did a phenomenal job.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Like if you stopped that episode one, I'm like, oh, man,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: this is a great flick right here.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Man, I recommend that. I might even recommend you watch
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the first episode and then just never go for the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: other two.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: And then you dip into the other kind of changes.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: But I thought that was great historical context, some good footage,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: some things that you know, like you could place yourself
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: in what was going on at the times, from basketball
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: to the civil rights movement. Episode two, I'm a big
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: AI guy. I don't mind. I personally don't care how
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: someone dresses, like you know, I don't think that changes things.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I think that was an iconic time, So like that's
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: a little bit of like biased nostalgia for me.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: So that played in so it was easy for me
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: to watch that episode.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: The third one, I really don't have a lot of
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: good things to say. Its just started playing into like
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: my bias against how people like that like try to
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: go at these movements and feel like they're doing stuff.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: I would say my Overboard moments start off with Jamail Hill,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Jamail Hill x ESPN personality sports reporter. She thinks that
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: she like this super righteous, super like fighting for everybody.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Go watch this show called I think it's called Overboard,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: where it's a reality show. I was actually watching with
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: one my girlfriends a while ago backet like I think
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: it was like five years ago. Overboard is like where
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: like you take like a little mini yat out or
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: a little boat out like for the day, and you
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: get your friends and then you'll have this whole staff.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I might be getting the name wrong, but it's it's
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: basically a reality show of the staff as they're catering
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: to their guests. Well, Jamelle Hill is on that reality show,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: and she is the most obnoxious bitch Karen complaining about
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: every single thing, like so entitled.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: So it's a deep flaw right now.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: So you saw an ESPN host on another show and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: she acted a certain way, and now you're angry at
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the documentary because it has her voice.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's just part of it. Like it's just
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: like I've I've had a beef with her for a
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: while because she's one of.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: These exactly are you talking about blow deck.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Below deck maybe that's what it's called, and and and
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: they like she's turning things around. Like so what I'm
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: saying is like, how can you be this activist for
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: human rights and and doing the right things, but you
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: treat the working class people terrible? Like you are entitled,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: you think you're above people. So to me, your message
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: is drowning. Right, You're you're like, oh my god, like
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: all this bad stuff. Then what if you're saying it's
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: all these white people and I don't get any money,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: but you have enough money to take ten of your
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: friends on a little boat trip that's not cheap, that
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: has fully staffed with kitchen people and everything that you
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: need to see. They're taking you on a tour whatever
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: you want to make. You get the list, and you're
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: just terrible to it. I'm telling you, if you watch
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: this episode, you'll be like, dang man, that lady's horrible.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Like she's like.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Really reality show, right, So like could possibly be character.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: And when you're using that, yeah, you could be playing
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: a character. And maybe maybe this whole sports right think
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: is a character. So that's that's like strike one for me.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Lebron as well as he may be one of the
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: best athletes of all time, he's also a liar, right.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: He lies about things like he'll be like, yeah, I
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: was the first person ever. Hear that I was the
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: first person ever do this, and he makes this like
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: life where he because he even did this during the
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Trayvon stuff and he did it with the George Floyd.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Cuff he said person to get killed by the police.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, he was like no, he was like, I'm
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I'm literally afraid going home every day or waking up
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: and you're like, bro.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: You're living how are you afraid you're like.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Millions of dollars away from any of this happening to you.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't get it. I know that. So that's what
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: they kind of got me.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: And then the Donald Trump stuff because I was like,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: they made a great film, like which could have been
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: a great film if you just kept even if you
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: kept the second one part, if you mix those two
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: parts together, I'm.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Cool, Like I get it, Like I do.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Think there was a backclash of like white business vers
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: you know, people from the hood coming up and like
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: getting money, and it was clashing. It was clash of
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: cultures for sure. Like it's not everybody could understand that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I mean a lot of the younger people and people
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: that from the hood and stuff like that.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: We got it. We understood what was going on. We
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: liked it. We didn't care if Allen Iverson was wearing
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: baggy pants.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: We liked when he said practice practice, you're talking about practice,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: like we liked that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: We're like, yeah, well we got to go to practice.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: We like the attitude of it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: But if you if you failed to be like, oh,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: this is a business and we got to counter stuff
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: because we just had people run into the stands and
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: fight the fans. Yeah, you have to make a change, bro,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Like whether or not that's right or not, like what
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: they're calling them thugs and they're telling them how they are.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: You only change they kind of this is my problem
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: with it. They diluted it. They kind of brought what
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Alan iverson and like the Fab five and all these
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: old players that were like wearing baggy shorts and wearing
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: like a jewelry and like what you would think of
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: maybe rapper attire, right, like quote unquote retire what would
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: make it easy to sum it up, But they try
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: to tie this thread of where it's like that is
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: why they changed the dress code and they're like, no,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: it's not.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: They mentioned it, but they try to make it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: They insinuate that it's like, yeah, it's because they didn't
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: like how they were expressing themselves and they're like, no, bro.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Ron artests ran into the stands and fought the fans.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: The NBA was like, oh, this is not a good look.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: We got to change him stuff. And Steve Jackson, right,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: and Steve Jackson and who who's a huge activist now
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: and like it's like it just dilutes for me.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: But he was also killed by the cops.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: I believe, Yeah, that's what they say, and then he
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: came back to life, right like his twin twin twin.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: So, I think that the two other summaries I got,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if these are overboard moments necessarily,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: but the intention of this series, I don't know if
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it delivered for what Lebron wanted. And here's the first
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: episode I think we agree was awesome. The second one
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: it was nostalgic, It wasn't bad, it didn't like make
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: me feel any certain way. And then the third one
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: would just kind of like all downhill and stepping back.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Seeing how documentaries and TV shows and stuff have been produced,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you can almost see a different team that started on
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that first one, and then it starts transition to the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: second one, and by the third one, I almost feel
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: like Lebron was in the editing room like every day
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: during the cutting of that one, because he's on camera,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: like it has a completely different feel. It doesn't feel
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: like it was even made by the same series or
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: director or anything. So you can almost feel Lebron's influence.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming here, but you can feel his influence take
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: over as it goes from episode one, two to three,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and then the other main note is the name of
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: this series is shut up in Dribble, and it's supposed
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to be this flippant like screw you, I'm not going
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to shut up and dribble. Look like I got to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: take a stand and I've got to like say these things.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: First episode, yeah, great, under, I agree with that. But
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: when they're saying shut up and dribble, this is actually
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: much closer to post Malice of the Palace, and it
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: was around like the Trayvon Martin, George Floyd. So it
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was said by a Fox News.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Anchor, some white lady, can't remember her name. I'm just
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: gonna say, what is it? Who is it?
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Laura Ingram?
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, Lour Ingram. She says shut up and dribble, and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: that becomes like this rallying cry. But the after the
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: third episode ended, I was like, they kind of should
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: have just shut up in dribbling, like, and I'm not
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not in the habit of agreeing with Laura Ingram
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: or Fox News correspondence. But after you see the third episode,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that was my exact thought. I was like, Damn, these
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: guys just need to play basketball, bro, Like at an
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: end of the day, you're there for entertainment, and you're
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: not necessarily informed because you're because you're a greade at
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: one things. You're an expert in category A does not
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: mean that you're automatically an expert in categories B through Z, right,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And there's so many that the I think it happens
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to sports stars, to actors, musicians, powt happens to everyone.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: Most people get a taste of this in academia.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: You might have like a professor that is an absolute
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: expert in some random field, but then they think that
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: they're also an expert in everything else. And you can
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: just kind of see that happening with Lebron essentially. And
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: that's where the shut of Ben dribble comes from. And
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I and I gotta say, I agree with it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: It's about that time sink or swim.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: So the first one is a swim for sure, second
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: ones may be afloat, and the third ones a sink.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: I don't know how that all equate.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I would say, let's just talk about the first episode
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: swim all the way one hundred percent. I suggest watching
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: it whether you care about basketball or not, and then
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you can kind of forget the last two. Like me
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and you, I think we both enjoyed the Allen Iverson
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: aspect of it. But I'm not going to be like, oh,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: you got to go out and watch this episode of
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: this documentary series all about how Alan Iverson's corn rows
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: saved America, right Like, it doesn't really, it doesn't hit
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the same the first one for sure, the third one.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: If someone suggests that one to me, like we're not
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: friends anymore, we can't be friends.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I have to agree with you on this one.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Though.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: If it just stopped at the first episode, I would say,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: swim all the way, Michael Phelps.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: You could even add episode two, but I could cut
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: off to episode two and three and not be mad.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: If you add episode two, it's fine, but to add
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: the third episode where it's like, okay, now you feel
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: like you're like gotcha, Like you're like, I got all
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: this great material. Like you said, I think you broke
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: it down perfectly. There was a great production team on
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: this and they're like awesome killing it and then br
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Brown's like I got this from here, and you're like, oh,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: I could tell someone switched this up.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: And I would only suggest to watch episode one.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: If you give me to rate the whole series, I
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: got to give it a sink because that last episode
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: such a stinker that it affects the first two that
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: they've done really good work on.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: It goes Game of Thrones finale, and then shut up
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