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The Making of a Healing Pioneer Dr. Sandra Rose Michael | Everything’s Energy Ep-23 · EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)

• 0:00
  Roland: You are tuned in to the Everything's Energy Podcast. I am your host, Roland, and people are fascinated by those who do things that are remarkable. And, typically, remarkable things come from a remarkable origin story. We all know that the energy enhancement system is a unique piece of technology that's never really been seen before, and the person who created it has a remarkable story in and of herself. So I thought it'd fun today to dig into the specific details of her origin story because it's something that you'll all really wanna hear.
• 0:28
  So I wanna welcome back doctor Sandra Rose Michael to the podcast. Doctor Sandra, how are doing today?
• 0:34
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Oh, it's always great to have time with you. We always have such a a good time sharing, and, you know, it's just, good for enlightening.
• 0:42
  Roland: It is. Sharing the message and sharing the energy and the good vibes. Right?
• 0:46
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. It's fun. It's gotta be fun.
• 0:50
  Roland: So, your origin story. You did not have a typical childhood, and and I'm sure people have heard a lot of these details, but I don't think anyone's really had the time to dig into the specifics of that. I've always been fascinated about what prompted the genesis of the ability to create something such as this. So, I'd like to actually get into the early years and figure out what created the great doctor Sandra Rose Michael. What was her inspiration?
• 1:17
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Well, talk about origin stories. I mean, there's you know, people always wanna knew, when did it start? How did you begin? Where did it start?
• 1:27
  You know? Well, it started for me when my parents met in engineering physics. So we have some of that. We have some of the things back to the engineering physics of courses and and work of my mother. And because, you know, we're we are fruit of our parents, and there's genealogy.
• 1:49
  There's a lot of genealogy. And then on my dad's side, I'm in the bloodline of Martin Luther and had the family farm that I grew up on, which was actually deeded by Andrew Jackson. Very interesting. President Andrew Jackson. President Jackson.
• 2:06
  You know? So it was more than a 100 year old farm. Grew up on the farm, but, you know, and my dad's dad I I found this very recently. Picture of my dad's dad, Walter Boehner, b e h n e r, Boehner. Right?
• 2:25
  Picture my dad's dad, and I do so much with veterans and stuff. And I knew he was a veteran, but I found this plaque when, you know, when I was clearing things clearing through some things, and this was given to him in Little Rock, Arkansas at Camp Pike, Little Rock, Arkansas. And it was awarded to him in 1917. Look at look at this plaque. Isn't that interesting?
• 2:54
  Roland: Is it a is it a gentleman sitting under a little tent, a little pitch tent in the wilderness?
• 2:59
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah.
• 3:00
  Roland: Our representative for human rights.
• 3:02
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Our representative for human rights is a picture of him with his pup tent. He fought in the war and all that kind of stuff, and and he had kind of a mysterious passing as far as he was in a parade, and there was intrigue around that as far as it was a military parade and when I was about three years old. So but I just found it interesting. Our representative for human rights, when you think about it, I'm a commissioner on the International Tribunal for Natural Justice.
• 3:33
  Roland: You did say genealogy was a thing.
• 3:35
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: For crimes against humanity.
• 3:37
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 3:38
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: And I never realized that he was the representative for human rights.
• 3:42
  Roland: I Wow.
• 3:43
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: I found that fascinating myself. So that's on my dad's side. I I thought that was pretty interesting. And then and on my mother's side, they were they were you know, they met in engineering physics. And so, you know, I I brought you from, her engineering physics class.
• 4:02
  You see this this one is is physics.
• 4:06
  Roland: General rules of convergence. And I'm looking at these equations, and, it seems like it's Greek to me because I don't understand at all what I'm looking at.
• 4:16
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. The physics. And and I brought that folder of her from her courses her classes, and and we could laugh about this one.
• 4:25
  Roland: So this was, I guess, promoted back in the day. This, although looks like a school folder, is an ad for Philip Morris cigarettes.
• 4:35
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Philip Morris cigarettes. This was a school folder for her. I think it must have been the college classes. I don't think they did that in high school.
• 4:46
  You know?
• 4:47
  Roland: It says class schedule. Yeah. What's interesting, it says don't inhale. Maybe people just misinterpreted cigarettes this whole time.
• 4:55
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. And you see it in what's risque about that because this is back that had to be '51 or '52. You see they have a woman on their ad. You know? Remember, originally, cigarettes were only men.
• 5:08
  You never saw women in cigarette ads. So I thought thought that was really, really interesting. Philip Morris.
• 5:18
  Roland: What a different world back then.
• 5:19
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Uh-huh. And you see what her physics course so my my my parents met in engineering physics. You see this folder right there? It says physics. Read what's, what that is.
• 5:31
  Roland: The electrostatic voltmeter, its calibration in use. It seems like light reading.
• 5:38
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: So this is what I grew up with is voltmeters and such, but but, you know, this is from her work. I think that's does it have a date on that?
• 5:48
  Roland: 1952. Yeah. 02/12/1952. Date of observations complete on Valentine's Day. Maybe that was one of their dates.
• 5:59
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: 1952. Yeah. It's possible because they didn't marry until until December '52. Yeah. And so it's kind of a funny funny thing.
• 6:09
  My mother was, the nuclear physicist
• 6:12
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 6:13
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: And my dad, the electrical mechanical structural engineer, both hyper geniuses. And they met in engineering physics at Ohio State. And it's kind of a funny story how they met because they would both later joke about how they were blind in one eye and couldn't see out of the other. They're two nerds, four eyed nerds. Right?
• 6:33
  And my mother was, like, the only woman in engineering physics in the first place. But she didn't wanna wear glasses because there was a thing back then that guys don't make passes, that girls gals that wear glasses.
• 6:50
  Roland: Put everything into a rhyme. It's easy to remember.
• 6:52
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: So that was a thing. And so she didn't wanna wear glasses, and she thought my dad was her lab partner.
• 6:59
  Roland: Maybe she wanted him to be her lab partner. But then again, if she couldn't see, probably wasn't on this mistake.
• 7:07
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: And but but it really relates to my childhood in that growing up, you know, this is a lab partner. Anything and everything was a science experiment for me growing up.
• 7:19
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 7:19
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Everything was you know, it didn't matter what it was. It was a science experiment for me growing up, and it was kind of fun, funny that way, you know, because they're both genius scientists. And so she's a nuclear physicist, and she had gone through all the top secret government clearances and things and ended up signing up with Battelle Labs. I don't think I can see see this so well, but it's this is from, early nineteen fifty three, actually.
• 7:56
  Roland: It's amazing you still have Yeah. All of
• 7:58
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: The electron electronic slide rule. This is the first computer.
• 8:03
  Roland: I was gonna say that looks like the computer in the movie, The Imitation Game. Gigantic room sized thing.
• 8:08
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Literally. This was the first computers in Battelle Labs. This is Battelle News, and and I have her contract of how she signed. But she went through all these security clearances, and then, she was visioning plutonium in those labs.
• 8:25
  Now, of course, this was top secret then, and she could never talk about it even. Mhmm. Officially, she was a photographer.
• 8:35
  Roland: Officially. Or does that mean unofficially? She was a yeah. Unofficially, she was a photographer. Right?
• 8:39
  That was her cover?
• 8:40
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: That was her cover.
• 8:41
  Roland: Okay.
• 8:42
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: That that no. That's officially. Oh. That was her cover. She was a photographer.
• 8:47
  But she was really fissioning plutonium in the labs the whole time. Well, they met, and so she was, you know, fissioning plutonium in the labs the whole time she was pregnant with me.
• 9:01
  Roland: A joke just came to mind. You know that term, a glowing mother? It might have been a little bit more specific in that context.
• 9:07
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Well, and so the joke is I know radiation literally inside out because I remembered it all vividly too, and I would talk to her about it.
• 9:17
  Roland: Wow. What did what would she say when you talked to her about it? And you said you remember it all. Like, what was that interaction like?
• 9:22
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Recently, before she passed, I said, oh, that was your happiest time. She yeah. It really was. But I was really just a photographer.
• 9:29
  Roland: Yeah. She have held it to the end of time. Right?
• 9:32
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: It was funny. Yeah. My parents, met, and, of course, you know, it's kind of an such an interesting journey that all makes us part of who we are and what we're here for. And I like to explain to people, you know, how everything of your past helps you to know your purpose. You wouldn't have all these things if it if you didn't need those specific things to be able to fulfill your highest purpose.
• 10:01
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 10:02
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: You know? And being here on this planet at this time is such an amazing time on the planet. And so I needed all this homework coming in evidently, but but my parents, you know, where did two nerdy scientists go for their honeymoon, you know, from Ohio?
• 10:21
  Roland: I know the answer to this, but other people might not know the answer to this.
• 10:26
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Well, they went to Niagara Falls. Tesla inspired. But why? The the real reason is Tesla's power plant.
• 10:34
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 10:34
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: And they were studying that.
• 10:36
  Roland: Were they actually studying things on their honeymoon together?
• 10:40
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Probably.
• 10:40
  Roland: That's adorable and nerdy at the same time.
• 10:43
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: But that's why they went there as Tesla's power plant.
• 10:46
  Roland: Wow.
• 10:47
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: And that's and see, part of the joke on my mother, if you wanna, you know, her mother told her if she douched on her wedding night, she wouldn't get pregnant. So you've got two brilliant scientists. My mother never wanted to be a mother.
• 11:07
  Roland: Really?
• 11:09
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: No. She did not wanna have kids. She didn't want to, she didn't wanna be a housewife, didn't wanna cook, didn't wanna clean. None of that.
• 11:18
  Roland: Just wanted to play in the lab.
• 11:20
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. So, so, yeah, she her mother told her if she do shut her way at night, she wouldn't get pregnant. And so then it became this whole thing that, you know, she wasn't this great research scientist or couldn't be that all because of me. Because in the fifties, you know, as soon as she had me then, you know, she had to you know, she couldn't, she couldn't keep working.
• 11:47
  Roland: Do you think that negatively impacted you in any context? Like, did it push you to have to achieve in any specific way because of the dynamic with her?
• 11:56
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Absolutely.
• 11:57
  Roland: Okay.
• 11:57
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: You know, with doing regression work and rebirthing work, I've done so much of that with Bemone. When I was born, there was a thing from my dad, another damn female.
• 12:08
  Roland: That was his in his yeah.
• 12:11
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: So I became an over achiever from that. I'll prove I'm as good as any. Oh, interesting. You know, so there was a piece of that. But the gift from my mother, because she was, you know, she was like a mad scientist stuck on mad.
• 12:28
  So there wasn't a lot of real bonding because she resented me so
• 12:32
  Roland: much. But
• 12:34
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: the gift of that is I stayed totally bonded to spirit. So And so I didn't lose all my memories of of being in the womb or the past life stuff or what all was going on between them and all these things. So I came in with with the memories and and with the lineage.
• 12:53
  Roland: Interesting. Is that a thing that is common to people if they maybe have a fractured relationship with a parent? There's a lack of being able to feel that love. Do you think that influences, say, their connectivity for life? It influences the trajectory of where they go as a defining quality.
• 13:11
  Because it seems that that was a big one for you.
• 13:14
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. I mean, it's part of that underlying origin story that's helped that helped motivate me to be who I am. Or, you know, if there had been more bonding with her, I'd probably wouldn't have stayed as totally bonded to spirit as I was. Mhmm. You know?
• 13:30
  But it was challenging. It was challenging as a child. You know? Because I'm from the time I could talk, I was talking about the mad Atlantean scientists and the abuse of power. And what did I get for parents?
• 13:45
  Because I was still pissed about it.
• 13:46
  Roland: Mad scientists. Would would they ever push back at that stuff? Would they ever say, what are you what are you talking about?
• 13:52
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Well, my mother did get books on start researching Atlantis. Later on, she decided
• 13:58
  Roland: that When she finally dropped the resistances, you know The
• 14:01
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: later no. Later on, she decided it might be all of the devil.
• 14:05
  Roland: Oh, boy. That religious layer. Right?
• 14:08
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: The religious piece kicked in. But before that, she was open to you know, and because we had books in the house then on Atlantis. And, you know, I mean, that was one of the gifts of our house is we had all the books. You know, we had every encyclopedia set as they came out. And so I grew up being a researcher that way.
• 14:32
  I mean, it was a lot of gifts to how I was brought in with everything being a science project. You know? So
• 14:40
  Roland: Well, I mean, I I I've heard of the invisible man. I'm looking at something that's called the visible woman. So was this a toy in the the family's household? Like, not a ball, not a doll or a Barbie. It was Yeah.
• 14:54
  A digestive system, a skeletal system.
• 14:57
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Other kids played with Barbies and they babies and things. This was my dolls.
• 15:05
  Roland: You're determining if your doll had colitis by examining its colon.
• 15:10
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: And I did have different medical things that way where I was always looking at, yeah, the body and the different, components of the body and things and analyzing and researching and all that. But but, yeah, this is the visible woman, and, I was so excited when I found this in in the attic clearing out my parents' house. It's like, oh my god. Because it was such an important part of my life, the visible woman and the visible man. And so really understanding anatomy.
• 15:44
  Roland: Well, I can see that you literally have all of your anatomy labeled right here, and there's instructions.
• 15:52
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. So that was my idea of playing with dolls. Okay? Now what was And I joke about it, but I I do have the proof to show that one, don't I? It's kind of funny.
• 16:02
  Roland: Was this stuff encouraged and and and supported, or was it more mandated? Like, did your parents want you to be remarkable from the get go, or were they allowing you to develop your own sense of your personal interest and where you wanted to take it?
• 16:15
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: They were both pretty pushy.
• 16:18
  Roland: They both were. Okay.
• 16:19
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: In in a lot of ways. Aggressive, pushy.
• 16:23
  Roland: High expectations?
• 16:25
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: High expectations. But I was doing all the top secret government science experiments as a kid. All of Tesla's experiments. All that. Like, you know, like, my my mom was working on the bomb, literally, visioning plutonium, working on the bomb.
• 16:41
  My dad worked on stealth bombers.
• 16:45
  Roland: A lot of, a lot of aggression in those those hobbies or indirect aggression.
• 16:49
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: So I came in going, how do we heal all this with the remembrance of Atlantis, which is the most parallel time. You got the same mad Atlantean scientists. Stuff going on right now on the planet.
• 17:03
  Roland: When you say parallel, like a different iteration of where humanity's developed too. Yeah. So we're at that critical point right now.
• 17:09
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. We're at that you know? So my whole thing is let's create a cataclysm of consciousness rather than a cataclysm of the planet. So I came in on that trajectory of that mission, so to speak, and neither these parents. But it was rough as a kid because I'm going let me out of here.
• 17:28
  These parent these they haven't been my parents a single past life. Where are my temples? Where are my healing temples? And so, you know, so I've you know, we've brought that forward now to creating healing temples all over the world. But I came in going, I made a wrong term.
• 17:46
  What am I doing in Ohio? Where are my temples? And these haven't been my parents' single life. You know, in doing the regression work at Moon, actually, I had the memories too, where my mother had tried to kill me in a past life, had tried to take my life, and her karma was she had to give me life this life. And that's why it was still a a karmic rough relationship, so to speak, which all has healed in the in in, you know, with her crossing and passing.
• 18:18
  Roland: Yeah. You said there's some beautiful opportunities for healing there.
• 18:20
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful healing as far as what it took for me to, you know, be who I am and and do what I do and share what I shared. But, yeah, my dad, you know, he worked on I'm looking at these were just some of the ones as a structural design engineer, etcetera, but he worked on f 100 f's, b seventies, f one zero eight, f one zero Seven's, a a 30 a 31 vigilantes.
• 18:53
  Roland: Those are all old fighter jets. Right?
• 18:55
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yes. So he worked on he was with North American Aviation, so I have the plant rules and stuff. But when I was young, so this was part of my and I'm going, how do we heal all of this? This is crazy. But when I was young, with North American Aviation, I was, like, five years old, we went to LA because he was working on a very important contract for this f one zero eight rapier.
• 19:28
  Rape rapier. I don't know. Yep. We'll we'll go with how it's spelled. It sounds like three.
• 19:35
  Mach three. So he worked on Mach three, North American Aviation, out of out of California, and they called it the Air Force's Mach three interceptor. But he sent me this in 2014. Now I was five, so it would be 1958. You know, I was born in 1953.
• 19:59
  So 1958 is when he was in California working on this. This was not declassified until 2014.
• 20:10
  Roland: So he sat on that till he could share it.
• 20:12
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Mhmm. Isn't that interesting? It is. Yeah. It is.
• 20:16
  I mean, just a lot of interesting stuff that way, but the things I grew up with, Institute of Nuclear, yeah, Institute of Nuclear Studies. This is when I was 10, so I was doing all these experiments. United States Aerospace nuclear power programs. Did now this was his college course experiments in electricity. Yeah.
• 20:41
  From this college course, I did all these experiments, the college course on electricity, as a kid. I thought everybody built transducers and receivers. Oh, this one's actually my dad signed on one side and my mother signed on the other. Maybe they shared these experiments, but they certainly they certainly shared them with me.
• 21:02
  Roland: That was a, that was called a weekend getaway for those two back in the day. Let's drop the kids off and we'll go do some electrical experiments.
• 21:10
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. So not exactly totally normal. You know, I joke about the German engineering brain. There is something to that. But I literally, these were the experiments.
• 21:20
  I did all of this whole course when I was a kid. Know, transducers, receivers, circuit boards, antenna. But, of course, we had our Tesla coils and rockets, and we you know, I had collections of Geiger counters because it was all the radiation issues, which I'm here to heal for the planet is the radiation issues. And, you know, so and and gyroscopes were my big thing. Gyroscopes.
• 21:51
  Roland: What's a gyroscope just for everyone who's listening in case they don't know?
• 21:54
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: They'll have to look it up because I can't even begin to explain. It's a torsion field, essentially.
• 21:59
  Roland: Okay.
• 22:01
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: But it's a device that creates a torsion field and we used in aerodynamics and used it's it there's a lot of practical application to it, but it's really torsion field.
• 22:12
  Roland: We had very different childhoods.
• 22:16
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. So, yeah, people wonder what happened. Yeah. But that's what I grew up doing all of those crazy experiments and studying all that. My mother was in MENSA, belonged to MENSA, and that was another kind of a gift, her belonging to Mensa.
• 22:36
  And for people that don't know, that's the top 1% of IQ.
• 22:39
  Roland: Right here. The 1967 registry is here, and her name is right here, Lois.
• 22:44
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. And she was in it for years before that, but this is the only that maybe this is the first that came out with a full registry or I don't know. What is registry the I found is from 1967.
• 22:55
  Roland: What is the IQ cutoff? Is it one sixty plus for MENSA?
• 23:00
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: You know, it's it's in just the top 1% of IQs.
• 23:05
  Roland: That would have to be at least one sixty plus because, I mean, if a hundred's average, your multiple standard deviation's above the average.
• 23:12
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. And she had to pass all kinds of tests. And I remember, you know, her talking about all the testing she went through to be able to join NEMSA. You know? And of course, I was offered membership later because I tested above ninety ninth percentile on both the ACT and the SAT test.
• 23:33
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 23:34
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: So I you know, when I tested above ninety ninth percentile, that was one of my moments that was very traumatizing for me, challenging.
• 23:44
  Roland: Why would that be?
• 23:46
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Because I was called into the principal's office or what, and they and or the guidance counselor or something, and he sat me down and said, you tested, you know, you know, above ninety ninth percentile on both of these. And I went, oh my gosh. We're really in trouble on this planet. If if my brain is the best there is on this planet, we've got a problem. And I'm going, wait a minute.
• 24:15
  If in the top, that means less than 1% of people can relate to me or, you know, what do I do with this? How do we, you know, you know, how does this how's this gonna work? You know? So it was kind of traumatizing to try to figure sort that out in my mind. Mhmm.
• 24:34
  And I also tested in, you know, top in the state of Ohio, Not first, but I was I was first in one or two of them, but there was I tested top in the top three or something in the state of Ohio in Latin, English, and math. So I had all the college level math, you know, algebra, all those things. But you see what you know, all the physics. I grew up with the that physics and all the calculations and all that because it was innate to us. You know?
• 25:10
  I grew up on the young course. I also had the advanced biology, you know, anatomy and bio but specifically biology. You know, we did dissections and all that kind of stuff. And and I had so it really was college level biology, which is very fitting. And, of course, the Latin serves so well in all the scientific arenas and understanding understanding it's it's the the base base of of all all the the languages languages and and things
• 25:37
  Roland: like that. Communication, but also in in the ability to identify things and understand what's being Mhmm. Uncovered. I like I don't like to use the word discovered because it was already here. Someone just realized it.
• 25:49
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. It was interesting for me because the Latin teacher that I had was only there the two years that I had him. And he drove from Columbus, Ohio to Marion, Ohio, only the two years I had him. And we'd go into class going, let's see what we can get him off on today because he could see auras. He'd bring in pictures of UFOs.
• 26:13
  Roland: So he was not your typical, educational professional.
• 26:17
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: No. He he was vegetarian. He'd tell people tell kids to change their thoughts. And, yeah. So we'd see what we could get him distracted into other topics.
• 26:30
  Roland: So she doesn't have to do Latin.
• 26:32
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Yeah. And he was vegetarian and the reasons why. And but I would sit in his class and and flashback to past lives where I spoke Latin.
• 26:45
  Roland: Isn't that called like, it that's a weird cheating in a way. It's like, how do you know this before it's taught to you? Yeah. Let's go pull it from the field.
• 26:53
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. And that's how I tested top in Ohio and Latin. But I also did speed reading. And see, these were things that we you know, I learned and was encouraged to work with in a sense. But I would read my Latin declinations and all that into a recorder and play that as I was going to sleep.
• 27:15
  So it was sleep learning. I would also sleep on my books and then tell my unconscious, subconscious mind to read them in my sleep and and and absorb it. I also had a like, my dad had a totally photographic memory for every plane from tip to tail and cars and all that. I had a photographic memory, but in a different way. I could remember where something was on the page and and reaccess.
• 27:45
  Roland: Your dad was more facts and figures and specific details.
• 27:48
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Or the engineering side Yeah. You know
• 27:50
  Roland: Makes sense.
• 27:51
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Of design details.
• 27:52
  Roland: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: He had that brain of design details. I mean, that that all very precise. I mean, which it has to do with that German engineering brain, that precision and detail oriented and being a Virgo, I'm very detail oriented anyway and a researcher. But one of the the gifts with Mensa so my mother had, you know, brought in these Mensa brain training tools. Yeah.
• 28:18
  That one of them was, a thing for speed reading, and this was the number one gift I got from Mensa. I mean, one of the other gifts that were really big on talking about logic, you know, and the principles of logic and how important logic was, and I thought, oh, how boring. It's so logical. You know? I didn't really appreciate that until we hit COVID, when there was no logic to anything.
• 28:49
  Roland: I don't know if that logic's totally rebounded yet either.
• 28:52
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: There was no logic. You could not find a shred of logic. But, you know, so I learned the importance later of logic. But but the the one gift was we had a a a slide, device that would give it it it had a shutter, and it would give one word at a time, then two words at a time. You know, you could go to three words, sentences, phrases, paragraphs with a shutter speed.
• 29:23
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 29:24
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: And you could get that faster and faster and faster. So this is how I played, just challenging myself. But one of the biggest gifts then was speed reading. I became a voracious, a voracious speed reader and a researcher. I want all the information.
• 29:43
  So I would have every encyclopedia out, and I was reading encyclopedias cover to cover by third grade. So, yeah, so a little different that way, I guess.
• 29:56
  Roland: I'm curious, and then this is just a totally off the cuff question that's coming to me as I'm hearing you talk. Have you ever parsed out the individual ways that your mom and your dad may have influenced the development of the EE technology? Like, have you ever sat there and gone, you know, this part came from the mechanical engineering side, this part came from the was it engineering physic? No. Engineering physic would be bad.
• 30:19
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Everything's engineering physics. Yes. Okay. Everything engineering physics. My mother's a nuclear physicist.
• 30:25
  So my whole concept of healing you know, reversing all the issues radiation came from being in the womb. You know? And how do how do we heal all of this? I mean, she's working on the bomb. He's working on stealth bombers.
• 30:39
  Oh my god. You know? And I just wanna heal the planet. I just wanna heal the world. I mean, I came in that way.
• 30:46
  So there's that, but, there was a lot of mentoring on the farm as far as understanding animals and nature.
• 30:56
  Roland: The cycle is the nature. And
• 30:58
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: So but everything being a science project, and I think it was fourth or fifth grade or in the, you know, four h. Mhmm. Yeah. I had organic gardens, But you're testing the soil, and you're doing all the, you know, companion planning. You're Mhmm.
• 31:13
  Analyzing and studying and researching all those different components. My thing with the, engineering physics, I see everything as engineering physics, I could put my hands around the animals and watch how the energy would go through like a circuitry. You know? I see that as, you know, as electrical, mechanical, structural engineering with physics. All life is energy.
• 31:41
  And you see how the that light force life force energy moves through. So I could hold my hands there. I could also, you know, I came in with a lot of, I guess, capabilities. To me, it was just normal, you know, of astral projecting and things like that where know, I'd freak my parents out. Sometimes I'd tell them what they were doing, and and I was in my crib or things like that.
• 32:09
  Roland: What did they think of your first chambers and the various things you started to create that was the the, you know, the formative technology that eventually created the EE system?
• 32:21
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. You know, it was it was like growing up with all of all of that And then, going into research from from high school, I went straight into, choosing my college years and things, but, but I went straight into the research into health.
• 32:45
  Roland: And that wasn't something that they were necessarily familiar with, was it? Like, it's that was you carving your own path more, so going into the health
• 32:52
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: my focus
• 32:53
  Roland: K.
• 32:54
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Of health and healing. Mhmm. Partly because I was so sick as a child too.
• 32:59
  Roland: Really? Yeah. Physically.
• 33:01
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Physically. Well, all that radiation poisoning for Ah. Yeah. But I would and in Ohio, you know, it was pretty brutal in the winter in a a drafty, farmhouse.
• 33:12
  Roland: I don't miss winter.
• 33:15
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. So I had strep throat three or four times a year. I was given penicillin and sulfa drugs and all that.
• 33:22
  Roland: So you had to, like, go on your own healing journey in addition to doing all the other stuff.
• 33:26
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Because my health was not good at all.
• 33:30
  Roland: Wow.
• 33:30
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. And so that became a whole focus and reading thousands, anything and everything on health and healing that I
• 33:37
  Roland: could get. You
• 33:39
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: know? And studying. I started in 1971 already even. I started in, you know, studying with a chiropractor. I studied with masters besides studying the books.
• 33:53
  Mhmm. But chiropractic, reflexology, nutrition, Ayurveda. I studied studying Sanskrit, which is the Vedas. That was another whole side of things, you know, from the Vedas. I mean, I was I I had studied the bible, read it cover to cover multiple times by the time I was 12, and I had every translation of the bible and figure out what they translated into what, when, where, why, and how, you know, because I'm in that bloodline.
• 34:24
  But then I also studied the Vedas, which are the best books on physics on the planet.
• 34:30
  Roland: It's funny you say that.
• 34:31
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Knowledge, and they were cut down more than five thousand years ago. So that was another whole chunk of serious in-depth research.
• 34:40
  Roland: Mhmm. Why I say it's funny you say that is, I believe now it's starting to become apparent. It's showing itself that, say, where quantum physics, nonclassical physics is going in terms of, let's call it their ideologies and what they're trying to prove, there's a parallel in Ayurveda or some of the traditional Chinese or some of the Buddhist texts of where these things are just being said in entirely different ways. So people don't always associate health with physics and the classical sciences, but it's really a representation of of what is trying to be explained, you know, whether we're looking at the context of something very specific as a pattern or maybe even the entirety of the universe as we see it.
• 35:23
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: But, also, it was part of health and that chakras are torsion fields.
• 35:27
  Roland: Yeah.
• 35:28
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: They're the they're the energy vortexes in the body. Choroids. Yeah. I was studying studying chiropractic. All the nerves run through the spine.
• 35:37
  That's the electric all the electrical impulses. You know? Everything is everything is information in the body. So it had more of the expanded information on really the biophysics, you know, as well besides, you know, just the best information on physics. So so it was, you know, a lot of research and development that way.
• 36:00
  And then and then also early seventies, I started studying rife and and the frequency specific things. And I and I I and I worked with different frequency specific modalities that way or creating those different frequencies. You know, of course, I had grown up studying different frequencies that way. But I worked also with radionics, which was really, really useful to understand, you know, and trained in radionics. And that these were things that people can look up and learn more about.
• 36:35
  You'll find it fascinating, but also studied photonics and studied, John Ott's work, particularly on the effects of light
• 36:44
  Roland: on the body and the shining
• 36:46
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: gland and on the hormonal functions
• 36:49
  Roland: and
• 36:49
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: things like that. The importance of light and how that works with our biology. And and it's really applied integrated biophysics when when you put all these different modalities and research and things together. But I also, studied exercise physiology and anatomy physiology that way. You know, so it was always advanced.
• 37:16
  Roland: I mean, it's endless. Right? There's there's nothing, I don't think, in the world of health and and in sciences that you haven't touched on. I wanted to ask you mentioned something earlier that was interesting. I don't know if anyone's ever asked you this directly before in a podcast setting.
• 37:29
  Your mom never got to live out her dream, her passion because she didn't wanna be a mom. Obviously, you've been a mother, but you've also been on this journey as a female in an environment that has probably not had too many female compatriots along the way. Have you felt like you've carried any of her stuff forward where you've tried to help her through your own achievement and success?
• 37:55
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Always trying to bring bring her really highest purpose Mhmm. To full fruition, not for doing bombs, but for healing the world. Mhmm. You know? She did fission and, you know, fission, and I did fusion.
• 38:13
  Roland: Yeah. Balance out the other side of the axis.
• 38:18
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Fusion for healing. This cold nuclear fusion. So it was really but it comes back goes back to all my understandings
• 38:25
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 38:26
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Of of nuclear studies. You know? But I grew up with all that nuclear. That's that's why it's kind of interesting that I also came in with this whole intention of how do we heal all of it. And my dad also, you know, he was humanitarian of the year, 2005.
• 38:46
  Everybody loved my dad. Oh, the boys. Yeah. So the humanitarian focus, he was in every organization for helping people. Now my mother, on the other hand, was an expert.
• 39:03
  My dad had such powerful people skills.
• 39:07
  Roland: Was he like an extrovert, very gregarious guy?
• 39:10
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. He was known for his jokes, it was interesting. But he was president or vice president or treasurer of Civitan, and he taught I don't have that here. He taught navigation. He ran power squadron.
• 39:30
  He taught navigation till he died. He still teaching all the principles of navigation. I grew up with boats, and we grew up with all these different things. But but he was you know, so many different civitan and Junior Achievement was one of the things that he was a big executive with. Junior Achievement.
• 39:55
  So they pushed me into, you know, Junior Achievement's about learning entrepreneurial skills of what it takes to start a company.
• 40:03
  Roland: Mhmm. Because usually when you're in the sciences, you don't get taught Mhmm. How to navigate the business world so much.
• 40:10
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. And he thought that was really important to support, you know, how how people can, understand business and industry Mhmm. And what that looks like. So there were a lot of pieces. Big brother, you know, he was part of that.
• 40:25
  Just so many different things. So so he was a a true humanitarian and massive people skills. Everybody loved him. Versus my mother was different. Different.
• 40:40
  She was, two plus two equaled 513 or something because her brain was just on such a different computational place.
• 40:51
  Roland: She was experiencing a different density of reality than others will say.
• 40:56
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: And she would, you know, and and she would she would get thrown out of church groups because she would piss people off so bad.
• 41:07
  Roland: Sometimes when someone sees all that logic, they have a hard time accepting maybe that's what this person believes currently. It might not
• 41:14
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: be the master best at pissing people off. She was a master at trying to make other people, at just making other people wrong to try to feel more right. She wasn't happy with herself.
• 41:26
  Roland: You know? That's a hard thing to carry.
• 41:28
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. It was just, you know, the the the self criticism got played out as being hypercritical of anybody and everybody else. And especially with me, I was damned if I did, damned if I didn't, anywhere in between as a child. And so by the time I hit high school, I realized there wasn't gonna be any way to please her
• 41:49
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 41:49
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: No matter what I did. I was damned if I did, damned if I didn't, damned anywhere in between. So but I also realized if I rebelled against her, I still wasn't being me. Powerful statement. Yeah.
• 42:04
  So it wasn't I had I I was rebellious. I rebelled, you know, like I said, with my mother, but but if I was rebelling, I still wasn't being true to me. So, you know, so I realized it's you know, really everything is between us and god. That's it. You know, I'm here on a mission to serve god.
• 42:26
  It's all between me and god
• 42:28
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 42:28
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Kind of thing. So that's part of the gift I got from my mother.
• 42:32
  Roland: It's beautiful when you can tease out those indirect gifts. Right? Because the the nemesis of every high achiever is satisfaction with achievement. It's like chasing a moving finish line. Know?
• 42:42
  So maybe in some ways, with her lack of achievement, that was projected unconsciously or maybe consciously onto you, nothing was ever enough because she didn't ever get to achieve what her definition of enough might have been.
• 42:56
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. I mean, and she was, you know, it was like, wouldn't get to do something I wanted to do until I finished reading like Atlas shrugged.
• 43:04
  Roland: Oh, light reading. Light reading. Yeah. There was a lot of expectations.
• 43:09
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Things like that.
• 43:11
  Roland: What what are some things that you admired most about them and what they did, who they were, and what they taught you? I know it's a tough question because there's probably a lot, but maybe if you take a second and just something that may come through.
• 43:25
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Well, the gift was how they did support, you know, all the learning. You know? You had we always had a house full of books. So learning was very, very high on the priority.
• 43:40
  Mhmm. And everything was a science project. So I still play that out. You know? I'm thirsty.
• 43:47
  Roland: I mean, you know
• 43:48
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: I still play it out. Putting hydrogen in water. Science project. So this is our hydrogen bottle. You know?
• 43:55
  This was a lot of the experiments. I said, they met in the lab as lab partners. Everything was a lab experiment. I mean, we did so much chemistry and all that too. You know, I did the advanced chemistry courses too, college level chemistry courses and stuff.
• 44:15
  But we like hydrogen. That's the real basis of everything.
• 44:19
  Roland: I think good hydrogen water is probably what the gut ordered from time to time, or what the immune system ordered.
• 44:26
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: So that was a lot of the gift. Yeah. And music. They were both very into music, which is all math.
• 44:32
  Roland: I was gonna say a lot of mathematicians. I interviewed someone recently who's a musician, but he said, and if he didn't go into music, he was gonna be a particle physicist. So you don't usually think that that was like plan a and b, but music is all math.
• 44:47
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Music is all math, and my dad played instruments and, you know, he played clarinet mostly in a band and stuff. He was into sousas and marching music. And, of course, in marching music, I marched in a lot of parades as head major rep. You know, the whole baton thing
• 45:11
  Roland: Okay.
• 45:11
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Is that scalar wave.
• 45:13
  Roland: That's an infinity symbol.
• 45:15
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Infinity symbol. So, yeah, I started twirling baton from you know, I I had to have it. I think I was three years old. I had my first baton. Had to have it.
• 45:26
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 45:26
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: But I was head major at in the marching bands and things like that. Yeah. But kind of interesting that that that whole how things play out. And my mother loves singing Handel's Messiah. Loved it.
• 45:42
  Yeah. So the music piece was very important. The devotion. You know, they were
• 45:49
  Roland: Religious faith, you're talking about.
• 45:50
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. The
• 45:51
  Roland: Relationship with God connection Mhmm. To something bigger.
• 45:54
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: And being Lutheran, you know, I mean, I studied all the religions and things, but but the Lutheran yeah. Yeah. Martin Luther was the first Protestant protester. Right? Yeah.
• 46:09
  And it is all about having a personal relationship in God and that we're meant to read the bibles ourselves. You know? So that whole German thing on that side of the importance of reading the Bible.
• 46:22
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 46:22
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: So that was part of the gift and understanding that. So it was it's an interesting life.
• 46:30
  Roland: It's yeah. To say the least, interesting interesting is one of those words that says everything and says nothing because so much is encompassed in there. And all this stuff that you've shown today, you know, I think it helps give us a snapshot of, like, what I said in the beginning, having a remarkable experience in life of creating something unique, the origin story behind it all really is the powerful catalyst as to why that's come to be. So, I mean, I've enjoyed hearing all these stories and getting a little peek behind the curtain of who you are in a different context.
• 47:01
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. A little different context, and it went from there, you know, as far as everything is research and study
• 47:09
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 47:09
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: You know, to the nth degree. I mean, my technology was developed, you know, from studying what creates health and healing. I built my first scalar healing light chamber after doing all kinds of research experiments. I built my first Scalar Healing Light Chamber. After running spas, I had my own spa.
• 47:29
  When I had my own spa, then I designed my first Scalar Healing Light Chamber.
• 47:35
  Roland: And here we are in 2025, and '19 that was
• 47:39
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: '78. My first scalar healing light chamber with with things from NASA, I was running a power management equipment company because of my deep understanding of electrical power management and things like that. I was running a power management equipment company and running spas before that. And then I was doing my own spa and with specific geometries and special lights, with power management equipment, all this, you know, had our first one seeing we were just talking about autoimmune. Total reversals of even back then in 1978, total reversals of lupus and leukemia and cancers and all kinds of things totally healing.
• 48:24
  So, you know, that's been my passion, and it's the blessing. It's the gift that I I focused on.
• 48:32
  Roland: It's been the journey. That's why origin stories are so powerful because it's not just the what, like, it's the why behind it all. Have you had any how can I ask this in a a way that makes sense? Both your parents are obviously no longer with us. They're no longer in body.
• 48:49
  Have you had any conversation with them?
• 48:52
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Make it to that first first Scalar Healing Light Chamber.
• 48:57
  Roland: They did. Did they use it?
• 48:58
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: In Pennsylvania.
• 48:59
  Roland: Yeah.
• 48:59
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yes. They did. They did. They did get in it and try it and use it.
• 49:02
  Roland: Did they get did they finally give you the congratulatory pat on the back? Or was it, it could be this. It could be that. Could do that.
• 49:09
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: I thought it was interesting. Of course, I had a juice bar. I had my we talked earlier the the last segment on doing, the bath.
• 49:18
  Roland: I'm Tall bath.
• 49:18
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Had individual, bath and and salt glow tables, marble salt glow for doing the salt glows and herbal wraps. I had the sauna, the seam, but I had acupressure facials. I had all organic skincare. I I had a all organic juice bar.
• 49:40
  This is 1978, but especially those I created my own detox bath formulas for that spa. And besides all the exercise equipment and and the rebounders, had, what is his name? Al Carter.
• 49:56
  Roland: I don't know that, man.
• 49:57
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: He wrote the initial books on he was he was, I think, an Olympian athlete at, trampoline. But Ah. He wrote all the books on rebounding and the importance of rebounding and how that pumps lymphatic cysts, importance of that. So I had him at the at my spa. We had the rebounders, but I had all already had all that exercise physiology Mhmm.
• 50:19
  Courses and things like that too. So it's it's been a an interesting journey. But one of the biggest things that has been an overriding principle was my dad's favorite bible verse. Yeah. And people might know it.
• 50:39
  Romans eight twenty eight. But this was we put on his on his memorial. It's all things, and we know okay. We have and we know all things work together for good for those who love God. I like to say for those who love and trust God.
• 51:00
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 51:01
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: All things, not some things. All things work together for good for those who love and trust God. And so I really got that gift from the depth of my parents' spirituality that way, even though it was more in the religious framework of you know? Still applies. Mhmm.
• 51:22
  It still guides the principles of how you live your life.
• 51:25
  Roland: Yeah. That's amazing. I think that's one most wonderful way to wrap up a nice origin story. Doctor Sandra, thank you for sharing all of this deeply personal and and and intimate stuff. I mean, people have heard the stories, but it's so nice to see, you know, the relics of the past that have come together to create all this.
• 51:45
  And
• 51:46
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. I mean, you know, at home and just going through some of the archives that yeah. And somebody had mentioned, where's the proof of who her parents were? Well, I think we've got some.
• 51:57
  Roland: We got we we got some and then some. So, I mean, yeah, that's I mean, off camera, I was digging into some of this stuff, and it's just so cool to see. I even I think I said to you, holding this paper of someone who's no longer in body, feeling that they imprinted their will of existence on this and they're not here anymore, there was, like, an eerie not not negative eerie, but a spooky, surreal feeling with that because you don't get to really think you don't think about that much when you just grab things day to day. We're so distracted now.
• 52:28
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Kind of hit you when A little bit. When we opened up
• 52:30
  Roland: and She's saw not here anymore. This was part of her existence. It was part of her reality and her inner world.
• 52:37
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Looking at the calculations, the calculus, and Yeah. Looking at the the penmanship.
• 52:44
  Roland: Oh, no one writes like people used
• 52:46
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: to nowadays. I grew up with all the penmanship and
• 52:49
  Roland: Oh, my aunt I always my my aunt used to criticize my writing all the time because she was born in the early forties, and she had the most beautiful penmanship. And she used to lament society for stopping cursive and all that. But it's
• 53:01
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. And I practiced, you know, because I was quite artistic too. So I practiced calligraphy as a kid also.
• 53:08
  Roland: Why not?
• 53:09
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Yeah. It was it was interesting, the whole language languaging and and really studying. And I really studied a lot on how the brain how the brain works and Mhmm. And different levels of consciousness.
• 53:25
  And self hypnosis is probably one of the most important things I ever learned.
• 53:30
  Roland: Yeah. You took it from the more classic material sciences sciences and went into the more metaphysical spiritual. I'd say it's a beautiful spectrum that you've covered in your lifetime.
• 53:40
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. Really. Paul Twitchell, in my soul, I am free. I mean, that was one of the ones got. And when his book came out, I go, oh my gosh.
• 53:50
  I've been traveling with him at the other levels
• 53:52
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 53:53
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: This whole yeah, my whole life.
• 53:54
  Roland: That's amazing.
• 53:55
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Yeah. So the like I said, the astral traveling because, you know, expanded consciousness, we are more than just these bodies. Expanded awareness, we are multidimensional, infinite, powerful beings, and we don't have any limitations other than what have been self imposed.
• 54:16
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 54:16
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: Christ said everything, and this is another gift. I mean, Christ said anything and everything he he did and more were to do. And we can move mountains with the mustard seed of faith, so we're not limited to moving mountains. We've got a whole world that could use healing. You know?
• 54:35
  Let's create a cataclysm of consciousness. The great awakening cannot will not be stopped. We're in this time of the turning, and I came in with this knowing I am here for the dawning of the new heaven and the new earth. And so we're going into the new earth. It's time of a great turning of the ages.
• 54:55
  You could call it apocalypse, revelation. It's the great revealing, the great unveiling.
• 55:03
  Roland: And I'm optimistic for it all. Mhmm. People can be pessimistic or catastrophic, and, ultimately, it's all gonna be beautiful. It's all gonna work out for us.
• 55:12
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael: All things work together for good for those who love and trust. And so I wanna that's the main message I wanna leave with people. That's probably one of my biggest guiding principles.
• 55:25
  Roland: Thank you to your father for that one. Cheers. Thank you very much for all this information, doctor Sandra. It's been absolutely incredible. And you're right.
• 55:34
  You and I always do get into some very cool conversations, and I know this won't be the last. But with that, I will thank everyone for being here. If you are enjoying this content, please like, subscribe, share this with anyone you feel called to, and we will be back with great content coming up in the near future. We'll see you then.