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Rowing Through Risk w/ Tim Crockett · Money And Wealth With John Hope Bryant

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the Money and Wealth with John Hobryant, a production
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  Speaker 1: of the Black Effect podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Hey, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is John Hope Bryant and this is Money and
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  Speaker 1: Wealth on the Black Effect Network on iHeartRadio. The podcast
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  Speaker 1: series season two are highly anticipated every week Ministry of Finance,
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  Speaker 1: if you call it. And I want to thank everybody
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  Speaker 1: for again making this so well received here and around
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  Speaker 1: the world. As you know what I bring a guest on,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty special. I normally do these solo pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Today is one of those days I've been looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to this. This is not only somebody who works with me.
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  Speaker 1: I see my Operation Hope pan on today. So we're
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  Speaker 1: in the operational corporate offices, Global Corporate, the global headquarters,
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  Speaker 1: actually somebody who works with me at Operation Hope principally
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  Speaker 1: even though he's embedded in all my life. And now
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  Speaker 1: you get to know him. And I'm gonna take you
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  Speaker 1: behind the curtains of how things work at a very
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  Speaker 1: high level, introducing you to an extended member of my family,
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  Speaker 1: both my organizational family and a friend. So my friend family,
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  Speaker 1: friends of Bryant, Tim Crockett, and I don't have you
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  Speaker 1: with us, so Tim Crockett is structurally organizationally, he is
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  Speaker 1: the head of Corporate Risk and Security or risk Corporate
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  Speaker 1: risk and corporate Security. I guess his way is.
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  Speaker 2: Really is that the title chief risk Officer. Okay, there
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  Speaker 2: you go, risk covers everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, risk security. Tim Crockett is one of these guys
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  Speaker 1: that you read about in the British spy novels. Who
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  Speaker 1: can you know, like Jason Bourne movies or something we
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  Speaker 1: Can Kill You would have pens right, and he's got a
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  Speaker 1: pencil on them. You're gonna learn more about about Tim
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  Speaker 1: as we go here. But you might be asking, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, is this is the wrong podcast? Like
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  Speaker 1: this is money and wealth, not you know, security and health? Right,
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  Speaker 1: what's the deal? As we talked about when I brought
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  Speaker 1: my wife Shasron, and we talked about how health is wealth,
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  Speaker 1: that things are often connected and correlated. So one of
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  Speaker 1: the things I like to do is to bring folks
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  Speaker 1: behind the curtain of how things work, whether it's financial
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  Speaker 1: systems or models in financial systems, financial structures, economic structures,
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  Speaker 1: business structures. Here's brand structures and personality management structures and
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  Speaker 1: corporate organizational structures and what no one talks about which
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  Speaker 1: is you see the folks walking around with the little
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  Speaker 1: earpieces on, and I mean there's a time where you
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  Speaker 1: want physical security and you want folks with a uniform on,
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  Speaker 1: and you want them walking, you know, with a clipboard on.
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  Speaker 1: That's a deterrent. It's a process. It's really they're really
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  Speaker 1: managing retail threats. Now you tell me, you're tell me
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  Speaker 1: when I get this wrong. They're managing retail threats to
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  Speaker 1: a security guard. Yeah, in the uniform.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a number of things that fall into that category. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're providing safety for your customer, your employees, and then
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  Speaker 2: to some degree, brand and reputation.
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  Speaker 1: But you want that person visible and obvious, yes, all right.
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  Speaker 1: And a police officer there's another example of retail security.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, high regard for police officers. But you
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  Speaker 1: want that person obvious, invisible. It's a badge, there's uniform,
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  Speaker 1: there's a police card, there's lights and sirens. You want
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  Speaker 1: that to be a deterrent. You want bad people to say,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't do that. I see this bad guy
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  Speaker 1: over there, right, all right? So what about the guys
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  Speaker 1: with the little earpieces on, Like they got on sunglasses,
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  Speaker 1: they got on a you know, non a script closed.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to draw any attention in themselves what
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  Speaker 1: so ever. And and Tim's the next level above that.
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  Speaker 1: He's just health right when he kills you, you think
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  Speaker 1: you're still alive, but we're not. We're gonna we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have some fun with his background all that stuff, because
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  Speaker 1: he was literally British Special Forces and it really is
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  Speaker 1: quite fascinating. But but this whole level of why would
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  Speaker 1: somebody like me you need a guy like him, but
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  Speaker 1: the court organization like mine need a gut need an
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  Speaker 1: organization like his or him? Uh? Why why might you
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  Speaker 1: have specialized security firm associated with you? How is that
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  Speaker 1: tied to wealth? And and is that tied to insurance
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  Speaker 1: and risk management and all that kind of stuff. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get in all of that. So as you road
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  Speaker 1: and as you develop, you can also be thinking holistically
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  Speaker 1: about how to protect and how to keep because it's
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  Speaker 1: not about what you make, it's about what you keep
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  Speaker 1: the wealth you create. Because I'm convinced all of you
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  Speaker 1: are going to create wealth again. I keep people keep
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  Speaker 1: telling me John, you keep giving his game in areas
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  Speaker 1: that no one ever told us about our people as
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  Speaker 1: somebody just last night told me, like all these wealthy
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  Speaker 1: folks whatever, successful people don't tell us a gatekeeper. They
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  Speaker 1: don't tell us how things really operate. You see it,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't understand it. I'm trying to unpack this
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  Speaker 1: or you understand it now. To understand it, you need
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  Speaker 1: to understand him. So, if I had to give one
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  Speaker 1: word for Tim Crockett, beyond kind, gracious, consistent, a good guy,
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  Speaker 1: actually really do like of a good father is resilient,
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  Speaker 1: like consistent, commited, credible character, good character, resilient resiliency runs
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  Speaker 1: through the whole stream. He just doesn't give up. And
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  Speaker 1: it isn't that I've never seen him flustered. Actually, and
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  Speaker 1: he's sort of is the kind of power I like,
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  Speaker 1: you can power. You know, you got real power. You
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  Speaker 1: don't need to use it like you don't need to
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  Speaker 1: like flex It's just it's just then is. And that
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  Speaker 1: comes with a quiet confidence. You always know how you
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  Speaker 1: know how. I love the power of quiet. Remove the noise.
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  Speaker 1: So Tim Crockett tell the audience set this up a
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  Speaker 1: little because we'rena talk about By the way, the reason
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  Speaker 1: all this all came about was he just crossed the ocean.
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  Speaker 1: The Pacific Ocean, right from San Francisco to Hawaii, where
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  Speaker 1: he just got where me and my family just came
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  Speaker 1: back from on a retreat. We got there in five
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  Speaker 1: hours on a plane eight hours. It took him forty
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  Speaker 1: five days because he was wrong a boat, a twenty
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  Speaker 1: foot boat, no motor on it, with the sun across
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  Speaker 1: the ocean, with storms, it was not and there was
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  Speaker 1: a hurricane that came from it was an earthquake that
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  Speaker 1: had come from Russia or something, and there was concern
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  Speaker 1: that was gonna turn into a tsunami. You were, you
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  Speaker 1: were on the on the ocean.
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  Speaker 2: We rode into the Big Island under a tsunami watch.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna get We're gonna get in all it.
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  Speaker 1: Because he actually got two Guinness Book of World Record
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  Speaker 1: entries because of this.
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  Speaker 2: Right once under contention being the first father son team
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  Speaker 2: to rode the Pacific. But my son, yes, he's getting
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  Speaker 2: credited with being the youngest to rot the Pacific.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the second time you've done this.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I did the Atlantic back in twenty eighteen, but
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  Speaker 2: I did that solo.
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  Speaker 1: I told you. It's like a like a living Jason board,
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  Speaker 1: like like like John Wick or something. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get into the what and the how and the who.
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  Speaker 1: You should be listening, Like, what did you just say, John,
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  Speaker 1: we can't row across a lake? His brother. His brother
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  Speaker 1: just just wrote I just went on a diving lesson
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  Speaker 1: in uh in MAUI went down forty feet for forty
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  Speaker 1: five minutes. I thought I deserved an award. This dude,
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  Speaker 1: this did forty five days on a rowboat where one falls,
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  Speaker 1: move and you're done. Like, if anything happens to you
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  Speaker 1: out there, you're done. There's no one to call when
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  Speaker 1: you're taken. A plane from Hawaii is the most remote
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  Speaker 1: land mass in the world. One of the reasons I
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  Speaker 1: go there. You take a plane from the West coast
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles to Maui or to Hawaii. You went into.
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  Speaker 2: Honolulu and then we went into the Big Island.
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  Speaker 1: Big Island, and there's seven islands. I think it takes
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  Speaker 1: five hours of continuous flight at six hundred miles an hour,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, and if anything happens to the plane,
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  Speaker 1: no one wants to really think about this, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a plane. There's no place to land, it's just water.
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  Speaker 1: So can you imagine being in a rowboat? I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's more than a rowboat, but I mean an unpowered
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  Speaker 1: vehicle for forty five days. Okay, we're gonna get an
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  Speaker 1: all of this. Let's now back up and tell the
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  Speaker 1: audience a little bit about so we're gonna have resilience,
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  Speaker 1: your backstory, talk about resilience really anchoring in this this
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  Speaker 1: most recent endeavor of yours, and then talk about risk management,
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  Speaker 1: how that relates to wealth protection, creation, growth, and to
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  Speaker 1: the sent that. We can talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: how we came together and and what does that mean
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Some stuff we can say, some
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  Speaker 1: stuff we can't say, right, But you're smart, You're feel
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  Speaker 1: in the blanks your background. How does someone get into
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  Speaker 1: this field? And I believe I think I met you
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  Speaker 1: through the FBI or something like that. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: mean somebody, I mean when direct the FBI recommends you, you
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  Speaker 1: know you hot crap.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where the referral came from a little over
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  Speaker 2: two years or so ago now, And it was around
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  Speaker 2: the Hope Global Forum, obviously a very high profile event.
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  Speaker 2: I call it kind of Davos for financial literacy. We've
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  Speaker 2: got some big names, all of which bring a certain
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  Speaker 2: amount of risk to the event. Not alone, not elect
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  Speaker 2: to mention sort of the risk that surrounds yourself and
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  Speaker 2: so forth. And that's why I got to ask to
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  Speaker 2: sort of come in and help manage that risk not
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  Speaker 2: only for yourself, John, but also the event a lot
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  Speaker 2: of moving parts. So I think that I was very
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  Speaker 2: experienced in I've run some events where there's seventeen thousand
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  Speaker 2: people in attendance and the executive team have a certain
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  Speaker 2: exposure that needs to be managed. So that's how we met.
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  Speaker 2: We spent three days together during the Whope Global Forum.
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  Speaker 2: We hit it off, and I think it was about
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  Speaker 2: three months after that we decided that we wanted to
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  Speaker 2: look at the institutional the organizational risk that operation carried
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  Speaker 2: at the time of the last seven years has been
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  Speaker 2: a lot of rapid growth, so we figured out how
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  Speaker 2: best we could approach that at a strategic enterprise level.
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  Speaker 1: The enterprise means the mothership company.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all of the big things that any established organizational
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  Speaker 2: business or family office need to sort of address.
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  Speaker 1: Family offices and another podcast episode, but there's a whole
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  Speaker 1: other conversation with.
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  Speaker 2: Family in order to kind of protect that upside. Again,
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  Speaker 2: often gets forgotten about when when people become and start
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  Speaker 2: to experience success. With success comes elevated risk, and that's
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  Speaker 2: really where become a target. You can become an individual,
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  Speaker 2: an individual as a target as in the person, but
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  Speaker 2: also the role, the institution and everything else that goes
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  Speaker 2: along with it.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're around the King with the King's on
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  Speaker 1: TV right now in the UK, or you're around the
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  Speaker 1: Cornference of Norway and the friend of mine around Quincy
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  Speaker 1: Jones got Ress of Soul, or you're around President Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: former president, you're around the current president, or you're around
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  Speaker 1: I mean, any high profile person you're gonna see hopefully
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  Speaker 1: you won't see, but you're gonna notice a presence. We're
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  Speaker 1: calling it a bubble, and they have a body man.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and Tim would be in this example, my body man.
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  Speaker 1: If you see me at the forum flowing, Tim won't
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  Speaker 1: be very far from me. And Tim sees everything around here.
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  Speaker 1: He's got eyes in the back of his heads. When
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  Speaker 1: I wake up in the morning, I don't know when
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  Speaker 1: he sleeps. When we have in the morning, he's at
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  Speaker 1: the front door. Go to bedt height, he's leaving me
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  Speaker 1: at the door and he's there, but he's invisible. And
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  Speaker 1: it's something I never thought i'd need, but you it
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  Speaker 1: becomes a time where you become it becomes obvious. Again,
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  Speaker 1: things don't make any sense until they do. And a
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  Speaker 1: certain point, you need a banker. Then you need a
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  Speaker 1: private banker. Then you need uh uh financial planners, and
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  Speaker 1: you need accountants on top of that, then you need auditors. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big lead. But at a certain point, you
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  Speaker 1: need a family It's just somewhere between the auditors all
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  Speaker 1: and and accountants all the stuff, lawyers, at some point
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  Speaker 1: private bankers. You'll need a family office if you keep
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  Speaker 1: building wealth. But that's that's a big lead. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: if you're in a family office, we'll again, I'm do
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  Speaker 1: a podcast just on family offices. That's that's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of wealth you're managing. Typically you talk about liquid assets
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  Speaker 1: of you know, give or take fifty million dollars. Then
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  Speaker 1: you need a family office. Let's back up and talk
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  Speaker 1: about why, you like, why would the why would the
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  Speaker 1: Federal Bureau of Investigation or we only say it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the CIA or whoever recommend a guy like you? What
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  Speaker 1: does it take to be recommended? Where does that credentials
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  Speaker 1: come from? You were in what we call the effectively
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  Speaker 1: the British Special Forces, Is that right? Yeah? The current
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  Speaker 1: of your seals, the equivalent of the of the of
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  Speaker 1: the Baby Seals.
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  Speaker 2: In the UK is called the Special Boat Service, So
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  Speaker 2: was a UK being a smaller entity. Obviously our special
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  Speaker 2: forces are smaller as well. And I initially joined the
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  Speaker 2: Royal Marines and then from there transitioned at a very
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  Speaker 2: young age into special forces, specifically the Special Boat Service.
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  Speaker 2: So I spent most of my adult life either in
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  Speaker 2: on or under the water in some fashion.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, that's why you're so comfortable in the water, right,
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  Speaker 1: What attracted you to that?
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  Speaker 2: Again? I think it comes back down to sort of
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  Speaker 2: personal attributes or traits. My start major back in forty Commando,
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  Speaker 2: which is where I came from, was in the Special
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  Speaker 2: Boat Service and he recognized, I know, whether it's my character,
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  Speaker 2: my aptitude or attitude. And he's the one that actually
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  Speaker 2: said you should consider a career in special forces, and
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  Speaker 2: he was the one encouraged me then to go forward.
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  Speaker 2: And you need to be recommended for that, No anyone
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  Speaker 2: can put in the recommendation. You have to do a
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  Speaker 2: minimum sort of two years within a fighting unit, commander unit,
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  Speaker 2: and then once you've reached that sort of level of maturity.
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  Speaker 2: You can apply yourself, but it's a it's a closed branch.
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  Speaker 2: It's a volunteer branch. So just like the Navy Seals
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  Speaker 2: in the US, you go through a selection process and
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  Speaker 2: if you wish to leave, you can voluntary withal ring
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  Speaker 2: the bell.
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  Speaker 1: What he's really saying is, if you're a punk and
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  Speaker 1: you can't make it, you wash out, so they don't
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  Speaker 1: need to they don't need to select you. You sort of
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  Speaker 1: yourself selected because you made it toward through an impossible
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  Speaker 1: rigorous situations. Okay, that was very elegant way for you
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  Speaker 1: to say that. Okay, so we're going to fast force.
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  Speaker 1: We can get to the need of this. So you
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  Speaker 1: come up through the ranks, you select yourself, you get selected.
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  Speaker 1: You're in British Special Forces and at some point you say,
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  Speaker 1: it's been real, it's been nice, and I'm out.
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  Speaker 3: Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Like I said, I was very fortunate. I think
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  Speaker 2: I was the third youngest person to pass selection back then,
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  Speaker 2: and I had a very full career. And because it
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  Speaker 2: was such a small unit, you kind of hit that ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's no opportunity for promotion. You'd have to sort
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  Speaker 2: of wait your turn right, and I'd sort of hit
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  Speaker 2: that ceiling and I was still young enough to pursue
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  Speaker 2: your second career. I've done all the work, all the
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  Speaker 2: jobs that I wanted to do, so.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, back up. So you hit a ceiling where
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  Speaker 1: you thought you couldn't go any further, in effectively the
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  Speaker 1: special Forces of Britain, even though you're very good at
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  Speaker 1: what you did, You're like, okay, I can wait around
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  Speaker 1: for twenty more years.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was on my timeline. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not one disort to sit there and wait.
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  Speaker 1: So what I want the audience to hear is you
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  Speaker 1: can be upstanding, successful, so highly intelligent, brilliantly talented, gifted,
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  Speaker 1: obviously well connected, white male, proper British white male and
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  Speaker 1: still hit a wall, hit a ceiling like okay, I
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  Speaker 1: need to pivot. So you pivoted, like I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to wait here twenty years and go do something else.
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  Speaker 1: And what was it something else?
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  Speaker 2: Well, when I first came out, I didn't quite know
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  Speaker 2: what it was going to be. At the time, there
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  Speaker 2: were very few transferable skills other than the experience that
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  Speaker 2: you had. We didn't have that piece of paper.
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  Speaker 1: When you kill somebody with a pencil. It doesn't work
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  Speaker 1: very well in the corporate suite.
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  Speaker 2: So there was there was very little call for underwater
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  Speaker 2: knife fighting guru. Right, So it was trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out where I would naturally fit, and so I gave
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  Speaker 2: myself twelve months to experience what we call the circuit,
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  Speaker 2: that security realm of work. I knew I wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry for audience. What the heck's the circuit?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's what's called the those that work
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  Speaker 2: in security, but not very special.
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  Speaker 1: This specialized area. This is not the security guard.
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  Speaker 2: And globally you could probably back then this is pre
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  Speaker 2: nine to eleven, you could measure that group globally is
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  Speaker 2: less than three hundred people. You hear that experience.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, no disrespect to the security guard
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  Speaker 1: at Alberson or wherever. My mother was a security guard
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  Speaker 1: at my elementary school, So no disrespect attended. This. This
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  Speaker 1: is a whole nother This is this is a whole
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  Speaker 1: other situation. I'm trying to He said, there's about three
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  Speaker 1: hundred individuals in this community globally unbelievable. Okay, so all right, so, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I mean everybody's getting a little bit of a behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes of the movies. You all watch right, you
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  Speaker 1: just picked the movie. I just watched one of them
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  Speaker 1: last night. Well, Special Forces CI Securities, you know, Elite Services, seals,
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  Speaker 1: and you're getting a backstorea A three hundred or so.
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  Speaker 1: You work, you spend your time doing that. You go, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's not really my drill. You got you end up
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  Speaker 1: You end up with this with CNN embedded in Afghanistan
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  Speaker 1: or some crazy thing dodging bullets.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Well, so one of the first jobs I had was
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: actually for the BBC, and I was looking after investigative
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: journalists doing a story on the illegal logging trade in Brazil.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It was ten day job, thoroughly enjoyed it and running
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: around the Amazon jungle like on this nice yacht making TV.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: And then that came to an end, and fast forward
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: probably six and.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: You're doing security for Higatt Security again.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: It was kind of providing that that safe platform from
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: which then the TV crew could do their job.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Bubble.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: The last thing they want to be doing is worrying
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: about safety, security, logistics.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Pirates, pirates on the ocean. Yeah, right, so he's created
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a bubble, a secure environment which is both physical, which
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: is physical electronic, electrical, electronic, digital, physical material weapon weapon. Okay,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: let me just tell you what is that telling you? Okay,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: so now you pivot to.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: So it kind of was when then I was gravitating
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: more towards project management. And then six months later nine
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: to eleven happened and the world literally got and my
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: world literally got turned upside down. I was working on
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a project in Indonesia for oil company and because of
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the the coalition going into Afghanistan, kind of the the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Muslim world erupted in protests, and obviously Indonesia was a
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: majority Muslim country, so they started to go after and
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: look for America. Is that No, this is this is
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: way before, the way before it. And the project got canceled.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: So I'm now sat back in the UK wondering what
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: am I going to do next? And I was actually
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: looking after Pat Cash at a at a Classic tennis
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: tournament in London and somebody asked, oh, this is your client.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Someone had asked me, like, you've worked with the journalist
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: with journalists before, are you interested in going to Afghanistan?
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, sign me up.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah sure. The Parliament bullets flying over your hair when.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: You lay ten days later, I found myself in Cobble
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and yes, the news team that I was happening to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: be looking after was cn.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: IT and you were embedded deep in Afghanistan.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the correspondent I was working with was senior correspondent,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Very eager. Very had a great work ethic, and we
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: went all over the country news gathering, and through a
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: set of circumstances, I helped recover some material that provided
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: an opportunity then to come to Atlanta, and I was
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: supposed to come here and help set up all of CNN's.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Way. Just that was just so smooth. That was just
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: so If I didn't know the backstory, we were just
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: kept all. I don't know how much of this he
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: can tell you, but I'm gonna try to tease this
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: out of him. I don't make my man uncomfortable. Can
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you tell them what you can? You give them any
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: sense of what you discovered.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I have to recover bin Laden's video library and then
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: hand carried almost two two hundred VHS tapes from Kandah
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: all the way back to Atlanta.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, talking about I mean talking about making smart sexy,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: talking about what's like smooth's cool? My brother man is
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: completely smooth run that because it was this is if
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this is anybody in my family, we have t shirts
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: like I I discovered ben Laden's tapes, we'd have we
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: market the heck out of this thing. All right, he's
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: back up. Serious thing. It's a very serious thing. And
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: by the way, thank you for your service. You stumbled
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: on or found somehow discovered in the midst of Europe
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: work in Afghanistan the video library for Asama bin Laden.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Not quite. I was just responsible for verifying it and
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: then bring it to the.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: US, which was which was highly risky because people wanted this.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Was probably when when this young Afghani Afghany photojournalist came
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: to us. It was probably three four weeks after the
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: murder of Daniel pil The concern was that this was.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: A was street journal reporter was murdered.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Right, So this was a concern that it was a
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: ruse to grab another journalist, you.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Meaning your client. Yes, so a setup to get the tapes,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but really the setup maybe to grab you and your journalists. Yeah,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: so highly risky.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And this is where it comes back into the principles
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: of risk management, not what you think of just financial risks,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: physical risk off so the more you know on the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: front end, you can plan accordingly and mitigate that risk.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And that was really my role in helping recover that.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: How long did it take it to get him back,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: so it was.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Kind of two parts. This gentleman came to us on
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: a Thursday. We went down there two days later. Within
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: ten hours we confirmed that they were the real deal.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Twenty four hours later we'd recovered them back to Carble
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: within two days, I think they were dubbed, and the
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: correspondent was heading back here with the original fifty seven tapes.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And then when they got back here, they scrolled through
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: This is kind of the humor spiece. When you scrolled
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: through some of the tapes, there were a lot of
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Western b movies.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Really, we thought that was watching he was watching just
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: old American.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Movies, slack like Cowboy in Western movies. But one of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: those tapes had actually made it back in that original
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: batch and someone had scrolled through it and halfway through,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: spliced in the middle was essentially how to put together
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: a rocket launcher. So at that point the investigative team
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: here said we want the rest of the tapes. So
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't go to ask to go back a second time.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, back up, back up,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: We'll slow down. You went back to Afghanistan? Are you
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: out your dang on mine?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I never left. I basically we were ripping cobble.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So you which went back to Kandahart went went from
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the frying pan to the fire to go back in
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: where you just escaped essentially with with with by the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: skin of your teeth. Uh, where it might have been
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: set up to go back to get more tapes. So
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: this is where I tell you. This is like they
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: say when the when the when the the Titanic was
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: going down, that the band was playing, The band of
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the Titanic was playing as the ship was sinking. And
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I've always said that was not cooling the gang, because
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: cool the gang would have been wrapping up there their
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: cords as the ship was sinking and heading toward the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: life rabs. So look, it takes a special kind of
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: dude to do what he just said. Okay, if I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: hadn't pulled this out of him, what did he say?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Something happened and that caused me to be in in
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: back of the states. He would have missed. You would
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: have missed this entire thing because he has no need
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to brag. The fact discretion is a key to his position.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: He literally is a black box. He hears it, he
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't say it. I pulled it out of him and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: he from security places that you know, perspective. Now he
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: can talk about it, but I wanted to respect his
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: ability to say or not say that. So you go. Now,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you go back into Cobble.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: And he went to Cobo to Kanda Heart, which again
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: frying frying frying pan to the fire where people eat
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: bullets for dessert or somebody's teeth, you know, grinding the.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Bullets for dessert. So you go back in to get
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: some more tapes, and you return a second time with
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a second stash.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And actually we stayed a little bit longer than we
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: planned because.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: There was I was gone in twenty eight minutes.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: So their concern was that the the original tapes got
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: brought back and created a week long documentary series with
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the correspondent and the and the team. It was called
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Terror on Tapes.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: So you can watch this on TV. By the way,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: put up spat on YouTube.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: The first episode was going to air on the Sunday night,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and their concern was that while it seen an international
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't streamed in Afghanistan at the time. It was in
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Pakistan and just across the border from Kandahart's Queta, which
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: is a short two hour drive of that. So their
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: concern was if I were still in Candahart at that time,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that the risk would go through the h But there
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: was an opportunity when we recovered that second batch of tapes.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: There was actually another set of tapes documented Bin Laden's
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: journey from Kandahart to Tora Bora as the sort of
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: coalition was tightening that noose on on getting hold of
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: it and the whole Anaconda battling in to Born. So
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: these eleven tapes, sorry, people who know what is very quick. Yeah,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: it was an operation to sort of try and kind
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of get the final remnants of the Taliban al Qaeda,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and obviously if you watch and the movies that document
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: that now as he slipped over into Pakistani where he
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: was fine.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: So what you did was on the road to capturing
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Ben Laden. It helped to gather additional intail to ultimately
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: capture and kill Bin Laden. The terrorists are brought down.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: There well, I think from CNN's perspective, the material that
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: they got a hold of showed that you're dealing with
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: a very sophisticated adversary and not someone that was just
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: interested in fighting Americans or the coalition in Afghanistan. This
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: was a global concern. And essentially fast forward a little bit,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: having brought those tapes back here and then when you
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: started to look at what the rest of the investigative
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: team had gotten hold of from other correspondents across the
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: space of maybe the last ten months or more, it's
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: actually we pieced it together and you almost had an
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: education system, a curriculum for al Kada Curriculu. We had,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: we had instructors notes, we had instructors instructional videos, student notes,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: and you could see that this was a very sophisticated
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: organization intent on obviously trying to damage and conquer the West.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: So I think that then elevated the Western's understanding of
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: who we were really up against. Obviously, once seeing n
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a extra act did the newsworthiness of the tapes. Yes,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: they were then passed on to the government where they
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: could then have their analysts piece together with probably.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Other so see, you guys don't need to watch action
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: adventure movies and just watch my podcast and then go
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and see only go on YouTube and look at the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: back look at the results of what this guy actually
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: helped to do, because it's all there on a documented
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: But by the way, as you're listening to all this,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: you can think about a half dozen action movies that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: you love that have bought you in the Middle East
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: or Africa or someplace Latin America, you know, with three
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: guys or ladies whoever, battling quietly behind closed doors forces
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: of evil. Thank you very much for your service. So
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you come, you come to America, and I'm gonna do
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: this pretty quickly so we can get to the meat
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: of this. You know, when you're bored, things take all day.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: But when you're when you like somebody, you're enjoying it,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: things go really fast. And so things want to really
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: fast in our episode, and I want to get to
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the meat of it before we're done. So you come back.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: You're given this great opportunity. Am I going to tell
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: your business? You say no to it? As I recall, yes,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: which was unheard of. This was I think CNN gave
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: you this opportunity or some broadcasting that gave you some
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: major opportunity and you're like, nah, I'm really I'm not
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: ready to push pencils. Well, I'll kill some with pencil,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: but I gotta push a pencil. He doesn't kill anybody,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: by the way. I'm just thinking he has a capacity to. Okay,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So now you you use a bunch of a series
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: of choices and changes that because we can talk about
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Crockett just for the next hour and a half. That
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: leads you to us connecting.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Before we connected, though, you'd already done one of these
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: crazy ocean crossings. Would you do that twenty years ago now? Eighteen,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, okay, seven years ago? Seven years ago? Okay?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: And why did you do that?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Because you could no, So the serious seriousness of it all.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: So I'd reconnected with an old military body of mine
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: in late twenty seventeen. I think it was just over
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: social media, being spoken for probably over twenty years and
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: just reliving the good old days. We actually served together
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: in the same unit, first Golf War and then also
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: being on the Royal Boxing squad together. He was super heavyweight,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I was a heavyweight. So we used to spa together
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: quite a bit, so we got quite close hand spoken
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to him for over twenty years we reconnected and then
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: it was about six weeks later that I come to
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: find that he had died by suicide and lost his life.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: So that kind of sparked in me the need to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: do something more, not just an honor of his memory,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: but draw more attention and hopefully some resources for addressing
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the mental health crisis within our veterans and obviously the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: wider military community. I didn't quite know what that was
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: going to be. And then it was about six weeks
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: later another friend of mine that I had served with
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: was actually rowing from mainland Europe to mainland Latin America
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: as a team of six, and it was just disappeared
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: down that Google rabbit hole kind of and came across
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: ocean rowing, and I thought, that's what I want.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: To do, raising money, essentially resources and visibility for this
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: good cause of mental.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Health, so that when I talk about resiliency and especially
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: ocean rowing, it's having that strong why. And that was
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: my why.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Everything with you has a strong why, But I.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Think that's so important for when tackling anything that is
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: a struggle, I enthusiasmal Enthusiasm will get you so far,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: like discipline will get you so far. But again you
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: need something that's bigger than that to keep pulling you
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: through again those low points.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: And that's interesting. And we never talked about this, at
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: least I don't recall that we have. Is that why
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you relate to me so well? Because of our strong why?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Around here?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's a strong factor. Yes, yeah, again I
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: hadn't really thought about it, but that's certainly I think
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: why you and I connected and why we get on
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the strong why, I once you explain to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the audience what the strong why is, we never talked
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: about this is very powerful and it's a great lesson
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: for for anybody listening.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I when I started. When I started it,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: it was because obviously he was reported twenty two veterans
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: were taking their own lives each and every day, and
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: across the months and years, obviously those numbers have gone
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: up and down, and they're probably very much underreport it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: The mental health crisis.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Well, certainly, if you're by the way, if you're in
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: this group of three hundred, you really can't talk about
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: it so literally. And if you're a CIA officer, whether
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you die in the field or somehow, and fortunate situations
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: come to you. Literally, it might other than a placement
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: of a marker at CIA headquarters, the world hears nothing
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: No, it's only just recently that kind of this stigma,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: this concern around mental health is sort of broken past.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Like you said, there's dark corners of an institution. People
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: don't talk about it. Certainly the male community are much
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: more reluctant to talk about it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying, on top of that, tem on
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: top of that, a lot of places where these folks
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: work because of confidentiality, because of secrecy. Literally, unlike a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: soldier or a police officer or a security guard or whatever,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: somebody in law enforcement, military service, if they get killed
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: in the line of duty or they die, there's a
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: news flash as something not there's a parade, the presentation
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: of the flag to the family, and there's a nobility
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: about it. There's metals, all kinds of things. But oftentimes,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: in this group of three hundred around the world, they
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: live in silence, they serve in secrecy, and often they
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: die without recognition.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. True, And to some degree when you're in that
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: community as well, and this is the important piece of
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: trying to break that stigma. It could be viewed as
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a weakness.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's why you're saying that that there's also there's
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: there's is acknowledgement and recognition now so that the stigma
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: is now going away. So now it's not viewed as
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: a weakness so much anymore. Okay, got it?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And if and and sometimes it's tied to what you've seen,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: what you've experienced, like the loss of people close to you.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: There's that aspect of it, but it's also a fear.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: And this is where like they sort of tie it
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: more to again this podcast. And the word that Operation
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Hope does is the financial piece, because often that's not
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: talked about. That is a stressor, like debt is a stressor.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: So if you have things that you're trying to wrestle
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: with and then you have just life and life stress
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: adding to that, that's often while why so many people
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: will resort to taking their own life, giving up.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I had not put this together yet until
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: you said this, But the minute you said that, I'm reminded.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Because we have a Hope inside the workplace at Atlanta
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Police Department, and they found that one of the highest
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: bankruptcy rates amongst professionals, sorry, financial stress rates which leads
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: to bankruptcy is with a law enforcement but they can't
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: talk about it. And and you often see a law
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: enforcement officer moonlighting in the evening at a club or whatever.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: They're trying to make extra money because they got too
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: much month at the end of their money. By the way,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's a huge security risk to have the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: law enforcement officer essentially arresting somebody at two o'clock in
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the afternoon and theoretically maybe protecting them at eight o'clock
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: at night at the club. I mean, it's not inconceivable.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: It's the same guy, right, So I hadn't thought about
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: how extends everywhere. Of course it does, makes perfect sense.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: So it's not so much the physical threat of the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: job they're doing or their service, or maybe it is
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: what they saw. But on top of that, you've done
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: all this for your country or for the world. You're
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: traveling around the world, you're helping people. You come back
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: home stack of bills, your wife's screaming at you, or whoever,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: your kids are like I need school fees or whatever,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: and that wears on you on some of the people.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people don't realize if you've served
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: your whole career twenty twenty five years. You'll get someone
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: that is very experienced in that specialized role, whether it's
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: security risk or again flying planes, and yet they've not
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: learned the basics of financial ligacy. Wow, and they've come
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: from a world where they may have gotten free housing,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: you've got free medical and dental, everything is.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Clothing, transportation, everything.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, in a very short
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: period of stacked they just put out literally in and
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you've got to try and figure this out. That can
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: be depressed, and it can be depressing. It's a shock
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: to go and sort of transition. And ask any military
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: from in any part of the world that management of
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: that transition is not very well done. They may get
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: a sixty minute class on finances and just let loose
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: if that. Yeah, So it's very easy for individuals to
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden get themselves into trouble or have
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: no idea of how to get a mortgage, how to
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: manage their finances and everything else. And then you've got
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: to realize some of these people that have spent their
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: whole career in the military, they're be pretty beaten up
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: when they come out. So then healthcare costs, so that
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: will go through. Yes, you've got the VA and all
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the rest of it, but there's some things that there's just
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: a matter of urgency where they've got to get work done.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: They haven't planned for those costs. So in a very
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: short space of time they can go from being in
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: this tight knit unit where they're very well looked after
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: to life drowning in debt and stress.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: And if you can, and the audience you may not
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: know this, you cannot keep your security clearance in the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: military if you have financial stresses that are now obvious
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: bankruptcies collections. It may risk your security clearance. You can't
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: be in the military in the United States if you
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: if you have these stresses, and so the if you
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: if you're around the military basis the mouth of the military.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Based the entrance, you'll often find check cashers, payday loan lenders,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: rent to own stores, title lenders, liquor stores, all this
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: stuff because they're either trying to prey on somebody who
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: they know is gonna get a paycheck every two weeks yep,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and who cannot afford to get into financial trouble, so
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: they'll pay that here, it's an advance your paycheck or whatever,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: but they know they're gonna get it repaid. It's the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: federal government, or you got a liquor store or somebody
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: selling illicit good listed drugs or whatever trying to help
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you medic medicaid if you will, your depression. And so
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the same thing that happens in underserved neighborhoods, urban neighborhood,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: poor neighborhoods happens at the mouth of the military base.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: By the way, this goes back to the Freedman's Bank
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: of why Abraham Lincoln and Frederic Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: General Sherman, Secretary of War Stanton try to create a
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: bank for formerly enslaved people, trying to teach free slaves
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: about money because in the camps, yes this happened back
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: then in the eighteen hundreds. In the camps, you have
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: financial predators on payday, yes they got paid, would show up,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: even though the blacks are paid less than the white soldiers,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: would show up at the camp trying to separate the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: soldier who just got paid, who's financially illiterate, from their dollar.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: And so the bank was created as a way to
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: domicile the savings, to protect the savings. To put it, Tim,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: thank you so much. I hadn't even thought about all
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: this stuff trigger all. And so that's how the Freeman's
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Bank got originally created, was a protector, a protection of
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the savings of these soldiers. In these case, the black soldiers,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: formally enslaved people who are not finicially literate, never taught
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: about money. They're out in the middle of nowhere being
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: preyed upon. I don't know how the predators find them
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: way out there dodging the Confederate bullets. People do anything
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: over money to try to separate these guys from their
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: wallet and befriending them as if they're a friend. That's
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: even worse. Now get somebody acting like they like you,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: but they really they're trying to take your money. Okay,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: So you're doing this to help raise money for this
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: good cause of mental health depression, anxiety, financial stress. What
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: was the name of the nonprofit.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: At the moment, it was tamed the Kracking. So my
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: analogy that the kracking is a giant Norse mythical beast
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: that would drag ships and sailors down to the bottom
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: of the ocean. And that was my analogy for PTSD, stress,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: mental health conditions and so forth.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Tame the kracking, Tame the cracking. Heigh spelled cracking for
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: my US audience k R A K E N. Is
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: it available now? Can they go on the website? Their
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: website is still there dot us. But the nonprofit that
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: got the benef from this the first time, the mental.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Health the twenty eighteen nineteen row I had a charity
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: on each side of the the Atlantic. In the UK
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: it was called Compact Stress, which is one of the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: first organizations to help address mental health issues set up
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: in the UK after the First World War. And here
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: in the US it was called Given Hour. Whether you're
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: getting clinicians psychiatrists donate their time to help veterans get
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: into some sort of program as quickly as possible. So
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: those are the two organizations I was supporting.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: So anybody watching this that you have a skill, you
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: have a talent, you've got mental health abilities. You're a nurse,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you're a doctor, your clinician, your psychologist, you're a financial advisor,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: your financial leader. You can volunteer. You volunteer and Operation
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Hope for the financial side. You can also volunteer for
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: these organizations to help these military veterans and Special Office
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Special Operations officers to manage through the civilian parts of
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: their lives, which nobody prepared them for. All Right, in
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the last fifteen minutes we have left. Everybody wants to
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: hear like, Okay, blah blah blah, tell me about going
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: across the dang on Ocean in forty five days. So
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: let's get to that. You you announced to me one
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: day you maybe need a little time off. You a
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: little boat ride from San Francisco. As I recall, you
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: had an Operation Hope sticker on the boat.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, was on several parts of the boat and the
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: website and everything out. So yes, after doing the Atlantic,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the plan was always to do more, but then we
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: had this little thing called a global pandemic that go
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: in the way, so that need to continue to scratch
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: that itch has been there for the last six years
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: or so. I thought Pacific is the next. I thought
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it would be easier. It's sort of I can be
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: in the US and just actually finishing the US as well,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: so I didn't have to go to another country.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Because the Atlantic going to Europe. Yeah, We're just do
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: the Pacific.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: So the planning and the logistics were going to be
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: a lot easier, so I thought, and yes, we we
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: left out of South Solito on the north side of
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay, rode out underneath the Golden gate Bridge,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: and then actually it was forty eight days or forty
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: seven days and change when we arrived then in Hilo
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: on the Big Island of Hawaii.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: And I would text you every now and then, Hey man,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: let me know you're alive. Shark gets you, I mean,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: what's ready to send somebody if something happened to you.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Of course wouldn't know for days, right.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, So anyone who's roaded both oceans will say that
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: it's harder. The first half of the row is harder
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: than the Atlantic, but the second half is a lot easier.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And this is all relative to sea states, how big
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: the waves are, how much sun you've got, and everything else.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: So as you're pointing out, we're on a little twenty
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: four foot boat, completely self sufficient. We have to take
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: our own food. We have marine batteries and solar panels
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: that provide power that will run a water maker which
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: kind of desalinates the sea water, because you wouldn't be
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: able to carry that much water with you. But that
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: second half of more favorable weather and sun and all
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the sort of things that we were waiting for never happened.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: So when you go out of the forty eight days,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: we had three days of sun. Wow, we probably had
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: a couple of few days of kind of mixed sun.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: So we had to be very conscious of our power
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: because if we couldn't run the water maker, we didn't
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: have water, and without water, we couldn't rehydrate, our food couldn't.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: So there's that whole Maslov law in terms of you
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: can go three minutes without air, three days without water,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: and go three weeks without food. So when it came
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: to power management and how we were can.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: They have a person go three weeks without food? Is
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: that true?
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: That's what they say?
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was told the people, most people, most societies
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: were seven days from anarchy, seven meals, I'm sorry, from anarchy.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Well that's the difference between the body what you need
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: actually physiologically versus the psyche people go three hours without
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: a snack of some sort, and that started to go
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit antsy and get angry. So, yeah, we
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: had a lot going on managing all of that, and
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: sometimes communications and sometimes we had this little satellite dish
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: it's called a began the newer versions of these, like
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: what we see with starlic so, but to get up
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: on the satellite you need a stable platform. But when
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the boat is rocking and rolling on big seas as.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Some of the biggest seas we had were forty fifty
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: foot waves coming out of San Francisco because, like you said,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: we had two hurricanes on the nowhere near us, but
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: even one hundred and fifty miles away, it can have
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: an effect on the weather systems that you're in, and
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: we had a big weather system to the northwest of US,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: so we were stuck in all of that. So we
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: were like a washing machine for forty five days or
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: so during the crossing. So there are times that we
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: literally could not get up on the satellite to connect
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: and send messages back and forth.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And a thirty forty foot wave unless you ride it,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: it's going to crash over you. Yeah, it can flip you.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: It can do I think within the first two days
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: we almost capsize three times, which slows down. When you
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: get to those sort of conditions, it's not safe to row.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: It's certainly not safe to row with My nineteen year
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: old son so we would deploy this piece of equipment
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: called a power anchor, which is like a giant parachute
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: that would grab the water and turn the boat into
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: the waves. So, yes, you still got the waves crashing
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: over you, but they're not side on, where the risk
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: of side sized and rolled with big waves.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So this piece of technology, this anchor or water anchor essentially, yeah,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: which literally points you into the waveh yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: So you run it off the bow, off the front
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: of the boat, so that's the narrowest part of the
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: boat itself, and that just then holds you. So the
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: wind is always going to push you further, so you
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: literally hold you in the water and the waves will
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: just crash over you, but in a in a safer fashion.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: So okay, and you had a little place that you
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: could retreat to the sleep.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had to do little sort of cabins which
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: were water tight, which is part of the kind of
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: the safety that's built into the boat. So if you
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: were happened to be sized, you've got these two bubbles
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: of air that would then kind of pop you back
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: out on top of the.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Water and uh, heat exhaustion.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Heat exhaustion, salt saws. Again, you're in a wet, humid
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: environment and occasionally it would dry out, whether you're in
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: a cabin or hot so you're always damp. But salt
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: water is not that particularly not all that clean. But
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: obviously as this as the water dries, at least behind
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: it the salt crystals, so it's almost like sandpaper. Anything
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: that would chafe, from your toe in your shoes to
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: you crouch your sat so it's your feet, hands and
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: backside always wet and in contact with the boat. So
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: you'll get saws and those souls will get infected. So
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: again there's a certain manager.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: There's no pharmacy out there.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Pharmacy we had to take our own medical equipment. You'll
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: get infect infected blisters that you have to deal with.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: So your body is just fighting this as you kind
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: of have to deal with the environment that you're in
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: And now you're worried about your son, because you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: that was.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: The one thing that I probably didn't fully appreciate. So
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: when I did the Atlantic our solos, I knew myself,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I knew how far I could push myself. I was
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: also a medic in the military, so I could attend
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: to any of these issues. My son again, he's not
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: had any of these big life experiences. He's never been
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: in that situation before. We did some training. We did
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: obviously our own preparations, so I knew comfortable with him
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: coming out on the water with me. He was confident,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: and he was fairly confident in in tackling what we had,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: but again still a big unknown for him. What I
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: didn't fully appreciate is that parental need to look after
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: your offspring. Yes, I was going to look after him,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: but that being hardwired into you. It's different when there's
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: another team member, a crew member, and you're sharing the
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: work light back and forth. You're rowing for two hours,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I'm resting for two hours, and vice versa. But when
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: you're in big c's and the prospect of this other
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: stuff going on when it's your son, now just different.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to worry more. Any little noise I hear
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: out on deck, I'm going to open the hatch and
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: make sure he's okay. So that was much more wearing
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: on me emotionally than kind of than if it was
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: just someone that was a crew crew.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Member, and psychologically, I mean, it might change some of
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: your decision making I did.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I was much more measured and risk averse than I
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: than I was when I was a solo. So the
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: sea conditions were on the Atlantic forced me to go
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: on paraancho a couple of times. That's literally because the
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: wind was blowing me in the wrong direction. I chose,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: or we chose to go on para aancho probably three
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: or four more times than we perhaps needed to, because
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: it was just I didn't want my son to be
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: out in the darkness with the prospect of getting capsized.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, and so, audience, I need you to listen. This
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: relates to health insurance, It relates to life insurance. It
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: relates to the choices you make when you're thirty forty
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: versus with a family and when you're twenty and you're
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: on your own. And I was talking to a friend
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: of mine yesterday who made a couple ony thousand dollars
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: when he was twenty and he was about to get married,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: and his wife was like, well, what did you do
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: with the money? You made a couple of hundred thousands
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: a year. He's like, I spent it right. I was
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: enjoying myself. I had no responsibilities. I had an apartment,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: I had a nice car, and I made it and
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I spent it. That's the whole point of being twenty
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: years old two hundred thousand dollars a year, is to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: enjoy yourself. By the time he got married, he had
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: to look think about getting a house and getting and
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: getting insurance. And now he's more measured. He he is
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: a guy who's got add and tissu deficits or disorder,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and he's not a party animal, but he loves life.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: And up until very recently he would just go and
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: go on these elaborate vacations, and recently he said he's
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: gotten more measured. He still goes and has fun still,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: but he's not trying. He's like he's trying to I'm
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: trying to save money. Now he's at a different point
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: of his life and now he's concerned about his children,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: concerned about his wife and making sure they've got what
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: they need. It's not just about his immediate gratification. So
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: it's similar analogy that when you're on your own, you
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: took more risk than when you had somebody you had
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: to care for and be concerned about your protection.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: And there it's the same philosophy, yeah, no, the same principles. Yeah,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: And that was one of the things that it wasn't
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: planned when we went into this. When he agreed to
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: row with me, it was less about the actual row. Yes,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: we still had our mission about raising awareness for veteran's
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: mental health. We hadn't even considered the prospect of world
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: records and everything else. It was having that shared experience
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: in his at his age in a nineteen like I
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: said that, I think the previous youngest was someone like
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five. Has a lot of life
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: between those five years, and on the opportunities now that
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: will be allowed or afforded him having done this re number,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: when he knows he can he can attempt anything.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's got cool points out.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: He's got the cool points.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Every date works for him now, every date, every day.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Tell her what you do? Ask me, why is the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: most exciting thing you've done? When I went to a
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: concert for this rock band, what did you do? Well?
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I went rod across How many miles is it?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: And it's about twenty four hundred nautical miles so it's
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: about twenty six twenty seven normal miles.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his confidence goes up.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Confidence again, his confidence in himself and the ability to
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: now tackle anything. He couldn't do or apply himself. There's
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: a flip side to that. He can't come up with
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: the excuse saying I can't.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Do that exactly.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Course you can exactly, and you'd be amazed that whatever
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: you struggle well at again it can be very life
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: affirming and so forth. So yes, that was kind of
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: a secondary aim for me, was to instill that in him.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I knew he had the confidence and the confidence to
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: do this, but he had to learn that himself. So
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I think coming out of this now, literally the world
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: is his oyster. And all those other sort of things
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: that like being able to plan, manage risk, like have
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: project management, project management again, we budgets, yeah, budgeting, Like
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I said, all of that now translates from ocean rowing into.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Time management, time management, risk management, environmentals and management.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: And like building for the future. Like I said, having
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: that resiliency, knowing that you can't control everything, but you
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: control you can control and that's yourself, your mindset. All
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: those things will translate into like I said, building generational wealth.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Start planning now and you can just tackle so much more.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're running out of time, but I want it. There's
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: so much I want to cover. But we're trying to
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: do this in five minutes or so. It's been fantastic
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and some pleasant surprises. You're in the middle of the ocean.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: About mindset. Now you're trying to help people with their
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: mental health. That's mental heugment. But what about your own
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the dang on ocean. You're half pregnant.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: You can't turn around. Was there any time when you
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: said to yourself, what in the heyo am I doing? No?
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: That didn't That didn't didn't cross my mind.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Across your Sun's money, It didn't.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Cross my mind on the Atlantic runs by myself. But
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I think we're about day three and because of the
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: conditions we were in and again we're exhaust we're both exhausted.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: My son said, I'm not sure if I can do this.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Wow about thirty.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: And like you said, three days in, three days.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: In, so not three days of forty seven.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: But we'd already So it's around about one hundred miles
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: off the coast. Is that point of no return because
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: that's the limit of the Coast Guard helicopters coming out
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: to it to rescue.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: One hundred miles off the coast, there's the limit of
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: a rescue from the coast Guard.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Now you can pull a beacon and then maritime law
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: dictates that any ship close by we'll come to your rescue.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: But then that could still be days away. Now I
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: knew that he was just going through a little bit
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: of a wobble because he'd never experienced this. Day one
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: at five point thirty in the morning's still sleeping in
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: a comfortable hotel bed. Basically, fifteen hours later, we're tackling
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: fifty foot waves. And that was relentless for those first
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: few days. And he came to me and thought, I
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: don't think I can do this. And I said to him, well,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: if you want to give up now, you've got to
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: come to that conclusion. I'm not going to make that
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: decision for you, because you will then go for the
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: rest of your life thinking well, could I have done it?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Spoke to his mom, he spoke to his sister, and
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: then I also told him, I said, phone yes. But
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I also told him, I said that if you decide
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: that you want to get off the ride now, it's
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: still seven to ten days of rowing to row back
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: to the coast. And I told him, as if you
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: do that, I said, we're going to be through the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: worst of it anyway. Yeah, and then he sort of went, Okay,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: I'll carry on.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: You know, by the way, let's give your son some credit.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: What's his name, Harrison, Harrison Crockett, Crockett. Okay, And people
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: can go to your website and see some of this
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: stuff that you guys did.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go to the website, go to any
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: of our social media if you have to Instagram, kind
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: of the whole stories. It's tame the cracker, Tame the cracking.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I goes, it's so much here, And I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: mean I talked to you a couple of times, didn't
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: they don't I talked to you as a text.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Messaging text messaging back and forth.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Was it physical call talk that talked you physically one time?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Voice the voice?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: No, I think it was you sent me a voice
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: voice notes, voice note.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: And you sent me a voice No, that's right. And
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: somebody sent me photos. That's where I saw. What was
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: the worst moment and the best moment or moments in
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: this forty seven days?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Well, the best moment's easy when you finish, when you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: get off the boat and you're reunited with family, friends
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: and so forth. That that experience is just you other
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: than our own company. We hadn't seen another human being
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: for nearly forty eight days, so that is just a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: great experience. And it wasn't too far before that. The
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: only literally a matter of hours, which was probably our
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: worst for me. For Houson, it was probably that time
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: when he thought he was going to give up. We're
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: coming into two Helo, the big island, and there was
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: a patch of water that is the currents, the weather systems,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: the wind, the waves are all messed up and it's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: not something that you can pull off a chart or
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: pull off.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Now we're going between the Hawaiian islands.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Very different. This is sort of the suze of kind
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: of Heilo Bay, and it's because you've got the currents
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: sort of whipping around that part of the island, but
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: also the weather systems that are coming off the mountain
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: of the volcano. And we were the day of literally
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: the twenty four hours prior to that was our biggest day.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: I think we did sixty some odd miles miles and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: then we kind of just rolling. You're rolling, yeah, and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: we just ran into what felt like a brick wall.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: We thought we were going to get to this this
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: booby that sort of marks when we would like literally
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: turn in because we have to manage the currents because
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Helo Bay to the south of Hilo Bay, Rocky Shoreline
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: to the north of Hilo Bay Rocky Shoreline. So if
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: you don't get the approach right for the last ten
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: to fifteen miles, you're gonna end up on the rocks
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: unless you get rescued by a safety boat. So the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: approach is very sort of critical. And I'm talking with
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: my weather out and planning over By the.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Way, everybody, you know, seventy percent of the world is water.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Just to be clear, seventy percent of the world's water,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: and human beings have only explored five percent of the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: seventy percent. Yeah, most of that is unexplored. Completely different world,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: separate podcast idea for another time, go ahead.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: So a very intense period where we have to write
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: up and again we're still taking turns because I'd rode
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: so hard the twenty four hours period we both had.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: We were exhausted and we're coming up and I think I
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: must have been suffering a little bit from heat, exhausted,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: and we should have been rowing kind of southwest, and
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I was rowing off northwest, and all of a sudden,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: my messager app on our kind of side like beacon
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: was pinging away and it was the weather right saying everything, Okay,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: you're going in the wrong direction. You need to get
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: back within the next thirty minutes otherwise you're not going
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: to make it. So that was I think a difficult
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: time because I'm a little bit loopy. Yeah, I had
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: to pull myself out of his rest period. We basically
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: had to go two ups. We're both rowing at the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: same time for about an hour to bring us back
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: on course. Wow, while also managing like literally I would
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: row for like fifteen minutes, have to retreat to the cabin,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: try and hydrate just to stop myself from collapsing.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: You could have missed the island, well.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: We would have essentially ended up on the rocks.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: The rocks, which is worse.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Because it was that critical for about a two hour period.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: But then we got back on once we crossed that,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: then we were home and dry.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, if he had missed the island, there's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: nothing else out there Australia. It's Australia. Just how far
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: away that would have.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Been another five thousand miles, So.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: They had rowed twenty five hundred miles, so it'd been
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: another two and a half months before the next lefe
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: more than that. Okay, so the worst was reaching your
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: physical and psychological and mental limits, and I'm sure that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: was tough, given how tough you are, and also protecting
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: your son and seeing him go through that. And the best,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: of course, was finally getting there again. It was an earthquake,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: and there was an earthquake in Russia. It triggered a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: tsunami warning. I know because we were monitoring that. You
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: were minoring that for us, even though you're rowing as
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: we're going into to Hawaii ourselves. And luckily that didn't
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: create any drama.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: For it didn't and there was nothing we could do
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: about it anyway, I worry about it. It was like, Okay,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: we're probably perhaps in it in a safer position than
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: those that were on the shore, because he know that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: area had obviously been devastated several times throughout history through Tsnoymious.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Only you would say that out in the middle of nowhere,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: a little peak cups caught a boat with no sails
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: and no motor. I'm like, yeah, we're safer than the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: people on shore. So here's some lessons that that I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: just heard. Never ever, ever, ever, ever give up. Success
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Take no for vitamins. Keep your mindset straight, tight right,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: otherwise all will be lost. Faith is what you do
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: when you don't have all the facts. Even the strong
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: get insecure and lose it temporarily. Jesus Christ, there's a
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: story of Jesus when he was being crucified. He said,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: even though he knew what was gonna happen, he knew
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: this is preordained. He said, basically, Father, why have you
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: forsaken me? I mean, he was in so much pain
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: that even this man of almost complete faith, well complete faith,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: had an insecurity get dad, yo, pops, look like, why
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: are you doing this to me? Lord? Why have you
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: forsaken me?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Father?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Why are you forsaking me? And then before he passed away,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: he said, forgive them the Lord. They know not what
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: they do. He snapped back, But there's that moment. We
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: all have that moment, rainbows after storms. They never let
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: a crisis go to waste. You only grow through legitimate suffering.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: So you pushing through that, your son pushing through that
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: just makes that resiliency. Never ever ever give up, makes
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: you stronger. Okay, let's now pivot. We're out of time,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: but let's spend a couple of minutes on Let's go
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: back to why this is important for me and operation
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: hope to do. Ten years ago, I didn't need this.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Ten years ago, I'm just trying to make some money.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Or twenty years ago, just trying to make some money.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Ten years ago, I'm trying to build some wealth. Now
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: you got a brand, Maybe I'm answering the question. Now, now
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: you have a brand to protect if a reputation. Folks
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: don't kill you now with bullets, but they sometimes they do.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: But they can kill you with your reputation. They can
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: kill you digitally. They can hack your devices. They can
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: hold your organization ransom, literally take over all your servers,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: your mainframe servers, and hold your organization ransom and won't
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: release it until you give them cryptocurrency or something. There
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: a whole new world out here, most of us. You
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: sent me an email today it showed that there were
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: twenty five impostures running around on tiktoks and they're me.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: That was just earlier today.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: And that's almost on a week on a monthly basis.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and people creating a posture accounts for me
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: saying that they're me. Somebody told me that somebody a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: friend of mine told me, you know why they didn't
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: reach out to me, said that somebody thought it was
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: me and said twenty five thousand dollars to somebody because
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: they were soliciting them. If you hear anybody saying that
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: they're me and they're asking you for money, it's not me.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: That's not what I do. That's crazy. Why is it?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe I just answered your part. Why is it important
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: for an organization at this level, you know, meet a
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: guy like me at this level or a woman to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: have Why why it is risk management cheap insurance for
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: brand equity?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Well, there's two sides of that. Like risk is often
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: associated with all the bad stuff that you just sort
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: of alluded to, And that's important because yes, when you
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: have a again some notoriety, your wealth, obviously somebody wants
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: to take that. Yeah, you have people out there that
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: they feel that they've been dealt a bad hand, right,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: and they want to take away what you have built
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: or what the organization is built.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Because they feel they they mean or they feel like
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: they're desperate or they feel like they need they deserve
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: it or whatever.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've got to protect all of that across
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: all those different domains, like I said, digitally, cyber reputationally, physically,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: and not just through you obviously, but also the organization,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: my family. But then also there's the positive side of risk,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: because if you can manage all of the downside, you
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: create opportunities. And that's often something that people don't realize.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: If you know where the pungee pits are and the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: swamps and the deep border and the bad weather and
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, you can navigate a path
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: some people will fear to tread, so you can you
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: can create You can create opportunity by knowing I know
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: what the risks are. You can when you understand risk,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: you can then start to think, okay, if I do this,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: the upside.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Could be that they can go faster and the safe
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: area you can go. You can go for the predetermined
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: and you can.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Take you can exploit new territories if you know how
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: to manage, like risk in a in a foreign country
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: which is now being developed, like being in there first,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: that often will provide you with greater returns because you're.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: We do that underserved communities today.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's the upside of risk. So yes, you
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: want to manage the downside and protect against that across
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: all those different domains. But then having that understanding of
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: risk will allow you to approach things with more confidence
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: and take on more of that risk. It's just like debt.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: There's good debt and bad debt about plenty of times.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: There's good risk and there's bad risk, right, and we
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: want to mitigate the bad risk, and we want to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: exploit and take educated risk. So if you do your
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: research on a new country and your piece of software,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: and you whatever it is, invest in it, you're likely
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: to get greater returns.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: So when I go into an area, if I go
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: into a risky area, risky the community, or risky city
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: or risky country or whatever Tim's doing, Timinus team they
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: do a threat assessment, they do an analysis that they're
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: working with the embassy, they're working with law enforcement. Again,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: this is all stuff you just don't see. And they'll
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: do a threat assessment and they'll say, you know, you
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: know this one's okay or this one is not okay.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: We need to put a team with you, which you
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: won't never see, and that allows me to not worry
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: about it, and I think about it, I can move fast.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: I know that this path in front of me is
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: being secured or been protected, or at least the path
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: that we're driving on is fine. So then I can
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: go really fast, going to spend my mind doing with
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: a part of my mind managing risk or being worried
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: about things exactly.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: We want to remove that burden of risk or security
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: or whatever it may be from you so you can
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: do what you do best.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: But also this relies to it applies to even me
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: sending an email. If I'm concerned that email can be
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: hacked or that I'm got some threat risk, maybe I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: don't send the email or I send it. But if
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: I think, oh no, I'm in secure communication, I send
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: the notes, send the text whatever. So all this stuff
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: allows you. I hadn't thought about the positive side of
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: risk management before, You're.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, And that's what I think small business is
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: need to pay attention to. Because if you because it's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: very hard to differentiate yourself from your competitors, but if
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: you are good at risk management, you're more likely to
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: get investment from bankers and outside like VC firms and
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: everything else which will help you grow, will allow you
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: to get more resources to do more. If you're a
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: bit like blase about managing risk, then like banks investors,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: they will do that. They'll be doing their risk assessment
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: on you. So if you're not secure in what you do,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: if you're one way in your professional life, but your
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: cavalier in your personal life online, all the rest of it,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: your risk, that creates risk and they're less likely to invite.
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  Speaker 2: So it's an important business trait to have. And again
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  Speaker 2: it's not just about business or small business in your
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  Speaker 2: personal life as well.
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  Speaker 1: If if you're posting on social if.
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  Speaker 2: You're seen to be a certain way, like people like
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  Speaker 2: trust in you because you've posted something online, again, it
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  Speaker 2: can all come back to haunt you. So so and
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  Speaker 2: again it's not about saying no to things. It's doing
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  Speaker 2: things thoughtfully, thoughtfully, with intention and professionally.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many things we could talk about. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it would do forty minutes, we can do
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  Speaker 1: an hour and forty minutes. We're gonna stop now because
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  Speaker 1: it's I mean, we can go on forever. But there's
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  Speaker 1: just you're really smart and then induitioning a nice guy
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  Speaker 1: and lethal that needs you. You're really really smart and
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  Speaker 1: you're very I mean, the wisdoms just keep on coming.
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  Speaker 1: And there's so many overlaps between effectively what I do
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  Speaker 1: and what you do. And I hope you guys got
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  Speaker 1: something of this. Look, if you're a small business owner
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  Speaker 1: listening to this, you're somebody building a brand. Watch what
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  Speaker 1: you're putting online. If don't post your home address, don't
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  Speaker 1: take your GPS off of your your phone. If you're
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  Speaker 1: posting stuff people, people are bad. Guys are paying attention. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: And don't don't post when you're at not away, not
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  Speaker 1: at home, and then say you're not at home. That's
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  Speaker 1: how people that signal to go rob you because you're
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  Speaker 1: not at home. Like, be thoughtful and don't post stuff
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna regret later, like you know, get drunk in private,
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  Speaker 1: just not literally. And there are cheap things you can do,
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  Speaker 1: inexpensive things you can do. There's software you can get
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  Speaker 1: off of the off the shelf that will give you
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  Speaker 1: a layer of protection. Mostly you know, Apple iPhones have
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  Speaker 1: encryption now. And if you're gonna use if you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: text things that are confidential, don't just text it over
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  Speaker 1: like literally, texting on phones was created as an afterthought
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  Speaker 1: by mobile phone companies. This is another when I break
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  Speaker 1: down the mobile phone industry, I'll i'll explain that, but
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  Speaker 1: it was there's not a lot of protections around it.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna do that, use a protected app that has
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  Speaker 1: encrypted I want to name one and I endorse them
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  Speaker 1: that has encryption tied into it, so that there's some
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  Speaker 1: sense that what you're communicating on a business basis is
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  Speaker 1: protected and won't get grabbed by somebody, some bag out
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  Speaker 1: of the sky. What are some other simple things that
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  Speaker 1: people can do to protect themselves?
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  Speaker 2: Do you research? I know what the risks are like
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  Speaker 2: everyone here in Atlanta. When I first came here, I
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  Speaker 2: came from Afghanistan. Within the first three weeks here, I
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  Speaker 2: almost got mode and I was in an area that
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  Speaker 2: did not have outward signs that I was in a
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  Speaker 2: bad neighborhood. Because I hadn't done my homework, I hadn't
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  Speaker 2: done my research. I'd let my guard down and I
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  Speaker 2: could have got myself into some trouble. So they know
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  Speaker 2: the risks before you go there, like you could anyone
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  Speaker 2: would go to their hometown and they'll say, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: avoid these areas because you know your own area. You
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  Speaker 2: go to a different city, different country, you don't know
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  Speaker 2: those areas. So time spent on research will help going
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  Speaker 2: to anything like a business, venture, vacation, just travel. So education,
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  Speaker 2: especially today on your phone is the Internet. It's free,
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  Speaker 2: it's free, and it's easy. With AI, you can literally
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  Speaker 2: say I'm thinking of going in this location, what are
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  Speaker 2: the top five top ten risks that I need to
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  Speaker 2: be aware of? And AI will give you everything. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: don't take it for gospel. Do a little bit more research,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps run it through another that will follow the links
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  Speaker 2: through and find out what their sources are. But very
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  Speaker 2: quickly and very easily you can know what the risks
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  Speaker 2: are in different destinations, different country, business venture and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of information out there.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think the problem, and from my profession now, is
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  Speaker 2: not the access to information. It's being able to filter it,
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  Speaker 2: analyze it. Too much information to say that, oh I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know. Again, that's not an excuse these days.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to be dumb, have failed these days. You
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  Speaker 1: got to really work at it, because the information is
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  Speaker 1: out there for everybody. If you take the time and
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  Speaker 1: analyze your noses, like me, you'll come down to the
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  Speaker 1: crux of it. And as an entrepreneur, somebody may say,
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  Speaker 1: my god, you do nothing but take risk. No no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no no no. By the time I do something, I
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  Speaker 1: wrung all the risk out of it. It feels very
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  Speaker 1: safe for me because I know what I'm doing the neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak. Exactly, Tim Crockett, I love you man.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for spending this hour with me and and enlightening
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  Speaker 1: the audience. It's I didn't realize how much overlay with
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  Speaker 1: financial literacy and wealth creation, this and money management and
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  Speaker 1: just life management there was between what you do and
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  Speaker 1: what we do. I have much compassion and empathy for well.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for first of all people in your profession, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you for your service. Thank them for their service.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and your friend who passed away, may he rest
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: in heaven. He's been remembered. And thank you for giving
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: yourself your life so we might remember his. And we
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  Speaker 1: will make a We made a contribution, will make another one.
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  Speaker 1: Now that you're back. We know you're going to survive
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  Speaker 1: or not, so we didn't want to give you too
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  Speaker 1: much money exact exactly, and so thanks for all you
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  Speaker 1: do and thanks for all that we will do going forward.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't cover a whole lot that we could have.
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  Speaker 1: But let's just say when I say business is not
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  Speaker 1: personal and capitalism is a gladiator sport. Like the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that he and I have seen just together in the
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  Speaker 1: last few years with gray your hair in twenty four hours,
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  Speaker 1: most people like, it's just unbelievable. People are just unbelievably selfish, cruel, nasty, greedy,
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  Speaker 1: lie I mean, and you can't take that personal. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's unfortunately the nature of where we are in the
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  Speaker 1: world today and probably the way the world's always been.
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  Speaker 1: We're just seeing more of it. But focus on the light,
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  Speaker 1: Focus on the good people, like, don't let the bad
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  Speaker 1: things taint you. Always go to the light. Meet people
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  Speaker 1: like Tim Crokett and your son. Thank you, and you.
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  Speaker 1: I've met many, many and many me of you, and
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  Speaker 1: I mean ninety nine point nine percent interactions are is
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  Speaker 1: leave me inspired. So focus on the good people and
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  Speaker 1: just manage the risk of the bad. Step over messing
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  Speaker 1: that in it. Ladies and gentlemen. Tim Crockett, go change
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