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NFL Week 7 Reaction: Seahawks DOMINATE Chiefs on SNF, Lions DEFEAT NFC North rival Packers, J.J. McCarthy & Giants UPSET Texans + Folds of Honor CEO Interview · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: What is going on, my people? How are we doing?
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, Three and Out Podcast. Hopefully you are doing well.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: We got a lot going on. We just witnessed Seattle
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  Speaker 1: kind of getting their swag back. Dominated the Chiefs. We
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  Speaker 1: will dive into that game. J.J. McCarthy resurrecting his career.
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  Speaker 1: The Packers and Lions game was bananas. The Ravens game
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  Speaker 1: did not go well without Lamar in the second half.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow dominated Indianapolis. Probably needs to trade everybody. We'll
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  Speaker 1: just fly around the NFL. A couple quick college thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: I interviewed last week the founder of Folds of Honor,
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  Speaker 1: a big charity organization that's been a part of this
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  Speaker 1: podcast for a couple years. Holds a special place to
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  Speaker 1: me and my family with what my dad went through
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  Speaker 1: losing his brother in Vietnam and impacts so many people
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  Speaker 1: around the country in terms of first responders as well.
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  Speaker 1: giving scholarships to families that lose a loved one in
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  Speaker 1: the line of duty, protecting us, whether it be in
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: the military, whether it be firefighters, police officers. So I
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  Speaker 1: talked to Lieutenant Colonel Dan Rooney, who flew F-16s for
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  Speaker 1: close to two decades. And the guy's just a stud.
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  Speaker 1: And I gave to the charity last year. We doubled
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  Speaker 1: down on the investment this year. and plan to do
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  Speaker 1: it for a long time moving forward. So had a
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  Speaker 1: good conversation with him. It'll play after we talk some football.
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  Speaker 1: And I recorded a podcast earlier with Colin as well.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of content out there today. And you
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: guys know the drill. If you listen on Colin's feed,
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: make sure you subscribe to Three and Out. We're up
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  Speaker 1: on Netflix. I did a quick reaction after the J.J.
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy game. And we'll just keep the content flowing and
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: get ready for Eagles-Cowboys Monday night football. Let's just dive
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: into the Sunday night game. I was big on Seattle
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  Speaker 1: coming into this spot because I thought it was must-win.
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  Speaker 1: I thought their backs were against the wall. They're 3-3
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  Speaker 1: coming off just a rough four-day stretch of losing to
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  Speaker 1: the Niners, losing to Denver, Darnold imploding. making some awful decisions,
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of interceptions in that span of time. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just critical, back-breaking interceptions. And to me, the number one
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  Speaker 1: thing tonight was just to get him back on track.
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  Speaker 1: And listen, the Chiefs are really good on defense. They have,
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  Speaker 1: I think, what most would consider a Hall of Fame-level coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we put head coaches into the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: We obviously put players in the Hall of Fame. Hell,
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  Speaker 1: we even put some media members in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: If you could put coordinators, guys who the majority of
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  Speaker 1: their career were coordinators, even if they got a head
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  Speaker 1: coaching stint like Fangio, Spags, you know, kind of in
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  Speaker 1: that world, to me, he's 100% a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of the greatest defensive play callers and coaches
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  Speaker 1: we've ever seen. It's a tough spot. I mean, the Chiefs,
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  Speaker 1: they're a little younger now with Delane playing outside corner.
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  Speaker 1: But it was like, we got to get them back. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Collinsworth said something tonight that I was like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: if you're reading between the lines. He's like, he didn't
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: tell me this, but it sure feels like Mike McDonald
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  Speaker 1: got more involved with the offense and the philosophical ideas
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  Speaker 1: going behind this game plan. I went, yeah, he probably
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  Speaker 1: told you that. You've called a lot of Ravens games
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  Speaker 1: over the years. You now have called a few Seattle games.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine you guys probably got a pretty good rapport.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be stunned at all. Listen, I've just been
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  Speaker 1: doing this long enough to know Mike, Chris, BSing, talking. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got him helping flurry out a little bit. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we need to do this, this, and this. It makes
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  Speaker 1: it easier on him and harder on the defense to
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  Speaker 1: scheme against him. The number one key is, and it
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  Speaker 1: was shown last week on the Thursday night game, is
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  Speaker 1: he was holding the ball basically longer than any other
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  Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. And this is all like milliseconds,
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  Speaker 1: quarter seconds. We're not talking the difference of like two
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  Speaker 1: seconds and eight seconds. You're talking like high two seconds
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  Speaker 1: and low to mid three seconds. And tonight he almost
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  Speaker 1: cut it by a full second. And it felt that way.
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  Speaker 1: Have him get rid of the ball quickly. Have plays
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  Speaker 1: that are schemed. Have him get rid of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Basically take the thinking away from him. Which I think
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  Speaker 1: it's easy to get in your own head. He's a
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  Speaker 1: guy who's had up and down career. And just have
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  Speaker 1: him get rid of the ball quickly. And what was
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  Speaker 1: his one huge mistake tonight when he kept a play alive?
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  Speaker 1: And he threw that ball in the back of the
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  Speaker 1: end zone, which ended up not costing them. Which honestly was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Butker, it was funny as I was getting,
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  Speaker 1: we usually do a little bath at halftime of the
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  Speaker 1: night game. And I look up, and he just kicks
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  Speaker 1: it off, and then I'm taking him to the bath.
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  Speaker 1: And as it's up, I'm just thinking, it's good. And
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  Speaker 1: then it comes back from halftime. It's at zero. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I swear Butker made that kick, but clearly
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  Speaker 1: it came up short. I mean, they got extremely lucky
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  Speaker 1: that they didn't get three points there. That would have
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  Speaker 1: been being conservative, a three-point swing. Potentially, you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: talking a 10-point swing if you get a touchdown. Because
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  Speaker 1: you would have scored seven. Instead of you scoring seven,
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  Speaker 1: they score three. Hell, we could be conservative or, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just a little more aggressive. It's a seven-point swing. But
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  Speaker 1: because of the way their defense played, and we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into that in a second, it didn't cost them. But
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: you saw twice, I mean, on the first touchdown, on
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  Speaker 1: the darn old kind of lollipop up in the air,
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  Speaker 1: down the sideline. is football porn, him and JSN. The catch,
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  Speaker 1: the touchdown, it doesn't get any better. And then the
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  Speaker 1: next time that happens, when Darnold throws a pick, I
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  Speaker 1: think two plays later, that's as good of a throw
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  Speaker 1: as you can make. And they did a really, really
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  Speaker 1: good job tonight, just settling him down, having him get rolling,
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  Speaker 1: because listen, you can't depend on him to throw it
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  Speaker 1: 50 times a game. And I can imagine Mike sitting
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  Speaker 1: down with his first-time coordinator goes, That can't happen again.
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  Speaker 1: And I would imagine Brian Fleury, if he just took
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  Speaker 1: some notes around Kyle, that's not the way he's been
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  Speaker 1: trained to coach. But sometimes a game, it starts playing
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  Speaker 1: out differently. You're behind. Maybe you don't even realize all
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: of a sudden you've thrown and you've called more pass
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  Speaker 1: plays than you like. And maybe some of it he's
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  Speaker 1: checking out too because they're, you know, stuff in the
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  Speaker 1: box and he doesn't get a look that he likes. Tonight,
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  Speaker 1: 28 pass attempts. And, you know, you probably could have
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  Speaker 1: kept that even a little bit lower. Clearly helps when
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  Speaker 1: you run for 150 yards. Now, you know, Wilson runs
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  Speaker 1: for 100. He had the 20-yard run toward the end
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  Speaker 1: of the game. That's the touchdown run. But the easiest
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  Speaker 1: way to help the quarterback is obviously run the football.
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  Speaker 1: And I would imagine they're going to be in the
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  Speaker 1: trade discussion for any of these sweet running backs on
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  Speaker 1: the trade block. And two, you've got to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of the ball quickly. Well, what happened tonight? He had
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: a stretch. I think I heard Arlovsky say through three games,
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  Speaker 1: you know, leading into this game, it was like 14
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  Speaker 1: or 15 sacks. He had been sacked basically like almost
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  Speaker 1: 10 times in a two-game stretch. He was getting hit
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  Speaker 1: too much. And when you're getting sacked, I mean, every
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  Speaker 1: once in a while, maybe a guard or a center
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  Speaker 1: just gets smoked and you get sacked immediately, like Aaron
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  Speaker 1: Donald or J.J. Watt in their prime. But I would
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  Speaker 1: imagine a lot of sacks come from holding the football
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  Speaker 1: too long, just in general in football, high school, college,
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  Speaker 1: and pro. So if you can get rid of the
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  Speaker 1: ball quickly, it's like, how couldn't I sack Tom Brady
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  Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning more? They couldn't move because they didn't
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  Speaker 1: hold on to the football. I mean, if it wasn't there,
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  Speaker 1: they just throw it away. They don't give a shit
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  Speaker 1: about how it looks. And I think part of the
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  Speaker 1: problem with Darnold, which also makes him, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: ceiling higher, is he's got like a little farm to him.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a little Mahomes. Like, fuck it, I'll just
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  Speaker 1: keep this thing alive. Even on the play that he
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  Speaker 1: throws the interception, he's scrambling around. You're like, this is
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  Speaker 1: going to be sweet. The ball leaves his hand. You're like,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be incredible. Then all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden it's like two Kansas City Chiefs, you know, converging.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't even see a dude in a Seahawks
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  Speaker 1: jersey converging. Luckily, sometimes it's why pick six happen, why
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  Speaker 1: they can go 90 to 100 yards when they happen
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  Speaker 1: in your own red zone, because that guy's already behind everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and the closest people to him are typically the offensive linemen.
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  Speaker 1: They got no chance to catch him. It's extremely rare
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  Speaker 1: on that play, not exactly that play, but on a
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  Speaker 1: play near the goal line, if you throw a hit
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  Speaker 1: and a guy in stride, it takes DK Metcalf hawking
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  Speaker 1: Buda Baker. But at one point in time, you thought, like,
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  Speaker 1: could this guy take it to the house? And he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: He got caught. Then, obviously, Butker missed the kick. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Darnold made a couple passes tonight that were just,
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  Speaker 1: if it was a golf shot, you'd be like, that's
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  Speaker 1: as pure as it gets. It was just beautiful. And
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  Speaker 1: if you remove the one mistake, which in the grand
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: scheme of things did not cost him, but I think
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  Speaker 1: can cost him if you can't remove that. He has
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  Speaker 1: to get away from making, it's one thing, like, you
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: saw some interceptions today, some balls get tipped, they fly
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  Speaker 1: in the air, it happens. And then you see balls,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Goff had a couple of these today, that
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  Speaker 1: are hitting guys in the hands. Those are killers. Because one,
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  Speaker 1: especially hitting a guy in stride, at minimum, he's going
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  Speaker 1: to gain some extra yards. His momentum is going the
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  Speaker 1: other way where all the offensive guys are going this way.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought it was an unreal performance based on
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  Speaker 1: what we saw up until that interception the first half.
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  Speaker 1: Even Collinsworth is like, this is a different guy. And
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  Speaker 1: here's one superpower he has. And I think this is
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: a superpower most successful people have. You can't just dwell
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  Speaker 1: on the shitty. You know, we all make mistakes. Hell,
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  Speaker 1: I probably make 10 today. And, you know, hey, on
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: to the next thing. You know, sometimes I'm like, Maria,
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  Speaker 1: we got to move on to the next. You know,
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: sometimes women, they like holding on to those. It's like,
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: I don't want to fight about this anymore. Let's just
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: move to the next thing. That's how my brain works.
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  Speaker 1: Partly because I've been trained to think like that being
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: around football people. You're around coaches. You work for these guys.
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  Speaker 1: You don't dwell on things. You get screamed at, berated
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: one minute. By lunch, no one even knows that happened.
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  Speaker 1: I've been trained since my 20s to operate under that mindset.
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  Speaker 1: It's not how a lot of people live in society.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely not how a lot of people in corporate
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  Speaker 1: structures work. When a big blow-up happens, people hold on
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  Speaker 1: to it for a long period of time. And maybe
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  Speaker 1: this has benefited me. Maybe sometimes it doesn't benefit me.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely in personal relationships, I'm just on to the next thing.
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  Speaker 1: That didn't even matter. Who cares? Not everyone thinks like that.
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  Speaker 1: But you have to as a quarterback. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that is a strength Sam has. And the other strength
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  Speaker 1: Seattle has is their defense. Holy shit. And this was, regardless,
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine Mike with that group was like... we're
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: winning this game no matter what. And it starts with us.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the stat that why you felt pretty
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  Speaker 1: good about their chances coming into this game is the
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: Chiefs had been dominating on the ground with Kenneth Walker.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: It says he was averaging 133 yards. It feels like,
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: and it shows you, we just don't have that many
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: of those guys anymore. When a guy is averaging like 130,
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  Speaker 1: 140 yards a game in this modern day NFL, it
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: feels like 200 yards a game. It felt like when
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: you would watch Kenneth Walker, you'd be like, He's getting
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: seven yards of pop every time he touches the ball,
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: and they're handing it to him 20 times a game.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes the stats didn't equal what you were witnessing. You're like,
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  Speaker 1: this guy is completely dictating the terms of their first
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  Speaker 1: five football games because he had. And this team hadn't
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: allowed a 100-yard rusher in basically two years. Well, it
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to start tonight specifically with a guy. Think
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: how easy it is to take pride. And listen, they
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  Speaker 1: miss him. I see some people are like... You know,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: billionaire propaganda, them talking about not able to pay Kenneth
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  Speaker 1: Walker $ 15 million. Guys, Google how much they gave JSN
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: and Witherspoon. What was that combined? Like $ 250 million? And listen,
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: they might have missed on the Shahid contract. If they
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: could have a do-over, they probably wouldn't redo that contract.
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  Speaker 1: I know he got banged up tonight. Hopefully he's not
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: seriously injured. But they made a decision. They took the
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: more dynamic guy and that position just pays. He got
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: 17 a year. They're just more expensive. If he would
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  Speaker 1: have gone in the open market, he probably would have
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: gotten more. But I just think that they made a decision.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like they pay nobody. It's not like they're cheap. Again,
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  Speaker 1: they gave two high-end guys an astronomical amount of money.
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  Speaker 1: Made them the two highest paid players at their position.
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  Speaker 1: And they deserve it. I think sometimes with running backs,
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: you've got to pick and choose. And the Chiefs are
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: very happy to have him. But tonight's a bad matchup.
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  Speaker 1: With the physicality up front, their team speed at linebacker
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  Speaker 1: and DB, all their DBs tackle, you're just not going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to run on them. So if I
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: had to guess coming into this game, I would have
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: been like, I think that is going to be a
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: well-earned 50-yard performance. Well, he had 14 carries for 36 yards.
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  Speaker 1: He had nowhere to go. It felt like he was
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: running just as hard as he normally runs, but they
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  Speaker 1: just gang tackle and surround you so quickly. And the
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: thing with the Chiefs is like, you know, Tyreek Hill and,
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: you know, Jeremy Macklin and Dwayne Bowe ain't exactly out
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: there a wide receiver. So if you're not going to
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: be able to run the ball against a defense, the
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  Speaker 1: one clip tonight of them running worthy on a deep
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  Speaker 1: route and Eamon Worry, who looks like Shaquille O'Neal next
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  Speaker 1: to him, is going stride for stride with him. And
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: even Chris was like, no one else in the league
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  Speaker 1: would have a safety that could go stride for stride
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  Speaker 1: with a 4-2 guy. And he's right. It doesn't exist.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Their personnel on defense is basically unlike anyone else. And
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: when they play right, one, they hit as hard as
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  Speaker 1: any team in the league. And the Chiefs do too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, tonight was, there were some hits tonight. We
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: were eating dinner when the sack on Mahomes and the
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: ball went flying, and I kind of went down for
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  Speaker 1: a bite, and I just heard Maria go, oh! I
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: was like, what happened? And I look up, and then
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: they show the replay, and I mean, Mahomes is just crunched,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: ball flying. What a badass. Mahomes still ends up on
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  Speaker 1: the ball. And there was even a play earlier where
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: he got horse collared. He's lucky both legs didn't snap.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Somehow he went in the air. I mean, you knew tonight.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a handful of teams you go, yeah,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: those are the most physical teams. And you would say
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: those two teams, the way the 49ers consistently play. I
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: would say Minnesota in terms of their mentality. It's a
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: short list. I mean, it's a much softer league. Like,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: you still got to be a tough, crazy fucker to
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: play in the NFL. But this isn't like, you know, 15, 20,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: 30 years ago, I would say 80% of the league
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: could send you to the hospital on any given play.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: It's just much different now. I mean, the Texans, who
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: I thought was the best defense in the league because
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: they had kind of been for a couple years... was
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: getting work today. I mean, Scadaboo made them look like
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: he was playing Baylor or K-State back at Arizona State. And,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: you know, that's just, that would, some of those runs he,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: the one run he had, the touchdown run where he
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  Speaker 1: broke tackles, it's probably not happening against Kansas City or Seattle, right?
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  Speaker 1: But it's possible against a lot of other teams. I
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: do think one thing Kansas City's going to have to
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: do is figure out a way to obtain a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 1: And who that guy is, I mean, the Jets are
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: a joke. I saw a stat today, in the last
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: two minutes of the first half, Aaron Glenn's team, since
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: he's been there, have been outscored 107-6. Which, honestly, I'd
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: have to really sit down and think more about that.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: How's that even possible? But the Jets are sinking like
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: an anchor right now in the ocean. And Garrett Wilson,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: should they be really aggressive to get a guy like that?
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: because they're just going to need some help, because they
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: can't depend on a guy to go for 140, 150
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: yards on the ground every game against better teams. Now,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: you could also say, who are they going to play
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: again that has a defense like this? If you look
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: at the Chiefs' schedule, they've got Denver coming up, then
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: they've got the Jets, then they've got the Falcons, the Cardinals,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the Bills, the Rams, the Bengals, Patriots, Niners at the end.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be able to run it
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  Speaker 1: on most people. But they got to get some wide
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: receiver help, and they know that. Listen, you're 5-1. You're
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: feeling pretty good. At Seattle on a Sunday night, you
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: go 12-5 or 13-4. If I told a Chiefs fan, hey,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: you're going to bounce back from your sixth win season
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: and go 12-5. If you looked at the schedule, what
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: games you think you're going to lose, this would probably
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: be one you'd have circled. So whether you got, let's
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: face it, you got your ass kicked 20-3. Or whether
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you lost by one point. Who cares? As long as
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: you don't have any major injuries. You didn't. It didn't
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: feel like it. The other thing is, they were all
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: over JSN. I had a DM relatively recently where someone
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: was like, do you think JSN is overrated? No, I
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: don't think JSN is overrated. I think he's incredible. I
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: think he's like the total package. There's literally nothing he
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: can't do. Like nothing. He can turn into Amon Ross St.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Brown and just dominate from the slot. Work the middle.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Just do everything a slot wide receiver does. He can
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: morph to go to the outside and just run go routes.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Like Mansour Delane, who I think is going to be
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: a pretty good player. I'm not trying to get ahead
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: of myself here. That looks like a good pick. He's
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: fucking all over him. Multiple. Nothing you can do. Part
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: of it is a perfect pass. But the ability, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Matthew Golden's watching JSN be like, bro, how do you
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: do that? How do you catch the ball?
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: You just put your hands out and you just let
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the ball fall into it. You catch it. But he's incredible.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And there was one shot tonight of Spaggs dropping a
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: huge F-bomb after he called the play in after they
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: had just hit a screen. So you can run screens
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to him. You can run him in the slide. You
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: can run him on the outside. He can run around guys.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: He can break tackles. He can just separate through– Route running,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: he's literally the total package. I mean, there's nothing you can't.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: He is exceptional, just an elite player. He is closer.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's hard to judge Jefferson, their
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: quarterback play. I mean, God, Kyler's first half was horrendous.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, it was tough. There were a
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: couple of balls on Jefferson that looked like J.J. McCarthy
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: throwing it to him. But if you put Jefferson with,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you know, a normal high-end quarterback, he's incredible. Obviously, Chase
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and Higgins even today look great. This guy is every
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: bit as good as the top guys. He is a
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: top guy. On a given week... on a given season,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: he is as good as it gets. And they paid
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: him a lot of money. You can't pay everybody. It's
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Salary cap. And I think the first guys
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to usually go are running backs who had a great
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: end of the season, but it's like, we're not going
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to pay that. And the Chiefs did, and it's worked out.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I think both these two teams are going to be fine.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I said it after they lost to Denver. I'm like,
• 20:10
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• 20:13
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• 20:18
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  Speaker 1: clearing organization. Okay, a couple topics we can just fire around.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Really quick, I mean the Packer game. I would say
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: big picture. I got this DM that I think would
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: pertain to some of the late plays on them throwing
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: flags on the late hits. And clearly the officiating in
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the NFL as a whole is historically bad. I mean,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's arguable. We've all watched a lot
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: of football. We are now, it's like, you can give me,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: this isn't the worst injury season. I don't know, I've
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: been watching football my whole life, and guys drop like
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: flies more than ever. Guys get injured now more than ever.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And maybe guys are less quick to come back because
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of the money that's on the line. Like Lamar Jackson, right?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You know, he kind of got into it, not with reporters, but,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you know, getting asked about rap sheets reports. Like, Lamar,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I think that came from your organization. Lamar, if I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: had to guess, it probably came from your GM. But
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: he's going, all the other quarterbacks in my peer group
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: get extensions on a year like this. You're not giving
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: me one, so I'm not going to lay it on
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the line. They're thinking, well, we're paying you $ 52 million
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: right now. And it just becomes like there is. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a contract negotiator told me a couple years ago, he's like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: as the money has gotten way bigger, it has become
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit like basketball in the sense that players
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: have a lot of juice now. They are making huge contracts.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: They have a lot of pull over these organizations. They
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: are empowered to be like, yeah, I'm just not going
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: to play. And, you know, we'll see this story with Lamar.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily going away. I mean, Tracy
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Wolfson wrote, definitely came, this is what she tweeted, as
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: a shock to the Ravens that Lamar couldn't go. But
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Minter told me while he took a majority of the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: reps in practice, they went back and looked and he
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: was limited in what he could do. Lamar said if
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: he can't run, plant, or have burst, then it's selfish
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to be out there. I was told he's confident to
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: be backwards. this week. We'll see. But back to the referees.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: It is safer to play than ever. And I think
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: we got to be careful about over-officiating, but they do over-officiate.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: And I got this DM that I thought was pretty interesting. Like,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you talk about confidence a lot and it feels like
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that it will never fade, and once you lose it,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you never think you will get it back. But how
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: does someone build confidence? In my opinion, it's consistency in
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: your approach to things. I agree. You cannot convince me
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that each week the NFL is not coming down the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: ref's throats for certain televised hits that seem to be extreme,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: when in reality, it's just a part of football. But
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: because of the increased safety in the game and the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: softness of society, a normal hit can seem outrageous. How
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: are refs supposed to build confidence and stand on business
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: in front of a bunch of alpha males when the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: league is literally breathing down their neck each week about
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: enforcing the penalties? I think the issue is with Roger
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Goodell and the heads of the league being inconsistent rather
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: than the refs. I think we just have a lot
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: going on. It's pretty clear on these late hit penalties
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: on the quarterback, they are coached up error on the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: side of it's a late hit error on the side.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: It's too aggressive error on the side penalty on the defense.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: The NFL wants to be pro offense. Like they want
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: all these. I think the NFL loves all these teams
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: going forward. I think the NFL, we know the owners
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and the analytic people want them going forward. I think
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the NFL does too. They want offense, offense, offense, offense, run,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: offensive plays. That is what, so anytime you get around
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the quarterback, no matter if it's textbook, they are calling
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the penalty on the defense. They are over-officiating these penalties
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: on the defensive backs. I mean, it hit me today,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: obviously some of the plays in the Packer-Lions game, but
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: like defensive holding. There was a play in the Niners game,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: it's second and 20. And there's, I would say, ticky-tack,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: but okay, defensive holding, which is a five-yard penalty on
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: second and 20, but it's an automatic first down. It's like, guys,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: how is no one talking about these in these rules,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the meetings at the owner's meetings in the offseason of like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: how does that make any sense? If you are going
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to assess the penalty, how about just make it then
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: second and 15? But LaFleur's asked about it at the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: end of the game. He refused to touch it. I
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: don't blame him. He doesn't want to get fined. Who knows?
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: He might get fired if they miss the playoffs. So
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: he's like, hey, my money is pretty sacred to me.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I totally understand. And I've come around because I think
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it's really Nance in the Ravens game, in the Lions-Packer game.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I think the announcer's like, why don't you just kick
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the field goal? And the number elites, the analytical nerds,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: The people with the best degrees in the buildings always say,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and they're not wrong, just because you attempt a 30-yard
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: field goal, a 40-yard field goal, a 48-yard field goal,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're guaranteed the points. And as we saw today,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: field goal kickers were missing everywhere. Eddie Pinero, the Niners kicker,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: has missed an extra point, I feel like, for like
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: six straight games. The Packers kicker is missing kicks that
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: like Justin Tucker could have kicked backwards. So none of
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: these guys, Butker, who was once one of the most
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: reliable kickers in the league, you don't have much faith
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: when he comes out, whether it's a 55, 58 yarder
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: or a 48 yarder. So no kicks are guaranteed. And
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: as we learned today, even if it's a 25, 28
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: yard field goal. But I do think we're not that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: far away from some of these guys inactivating a kicker
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: on game day. And just be like, we're going to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: go for it on every fourth down, and we're going
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: to go for every two-point conversion. And someone's like, well,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: then who's going to kick off? Well, my punter will
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: do it. We'll just have him do it, and we
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: don't even need a kicker. Because it's starting to get pretty,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I would say, egregious. I do get Dan Campbell on
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: his own 24-yard line. if it's a 50-50 point game, right?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: It's like the final score is going to be 50-46. Like,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that's the vibe of the game. It's like, hey, everyone's scoring.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: We cannot punt. It's four minutes left. Totally get it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Tie game. And it's field goal ain't winning shit, right?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: We got to just keep it going. We got to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: just go for it every fourth down. I do not
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: understand people just throwing everything we've ever known about football
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: out the window away When games are 17-17, 14-14, the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Ravens went for today, it was a 14-13 game. They
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: would have had a chip shot field goal that, I'm
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: going to say Tyler Loop hits the field goal, they
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: would have been up 16-14. Instead they miss, Burrow scores 21-13,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and they never look back. Score again, score again, all
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: of a sudden you get blown out. And I'm not
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: saying just because you kick the field goal, it guarantees
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: you win the game, but no one wants to kick
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: field goals ever. It's like, why even have the fucking kicker?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Just wasting a spot. Why not get an extra wide
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: receiver or an extra line? Why not? It's just, it's crazy.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: And Dan Campbell, I'm not shocked to see, he's always
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: done this crazy stuff. And I'm not shocked to see
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the Packers miss a field goal. Their special teams are terrible.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, awful. They've been awful. But that game also
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: was like, I would say the Packers, Golden can't catch
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: a cold. He had 12 targets, 6 catches. Brady's almost
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: falling out of the booth. Can't believe he, like, just,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: it calls balls that I think, like, God, that's a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: good play by the DB. Brady's like, drop. Goff should
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: have thrown, like, 7 interceptions, hitting dudes in stride. They
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: had multiple fumbles. I did the math. If you had
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: both fumbles and the Lions went for it on one
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: red zone play, where he got shoved out of the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: back of the end zone, you could be conservative, cost
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: himself 13 points. Potentially 17 points. But it's like, fuck it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: We're just going for it. It's like, are we sure?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: So the game, which is crazy about Vegas, how some
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of these spreads are just so on the money. How
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: they can factor this in with the new mindset of
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: everyone going for it at all times, it's just a
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: wild ride. It really is. That Lions-Packer game, both those
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: coaches should be like, the Lions offensively, they should have
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: had way more points. Way more points. And the Packers, again,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: still can't run the ball. And I get Jacobs is
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: coming back, but they've got to find a way to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: have a 100-yard rusher. Or else this just isn't going
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to be a good season. Because you cannot rely on
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: just throwing absolute bombs for your entire offense. Like, that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: can't be your entire offense. We talked about the Lamar
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: situation a little bit. I mean, that thing's going to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: get weird. I saw a stat today. He has missed
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: more games since 2021 than Joe Burrell. It's funny, when
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: we talk about Joe Burrell, all we ever talk about
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: is injury prone, injury prone, injury prone. Lamar Jackson's missed
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: more games. And I think clearly right now the contract situation,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: it's gotten weird. And it's not like the Ravens have like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: what are they going to do? Let them walk? How
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: many teams do you think would be lined up to
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: get them? Who the fuck's going to play quarterback for you?
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: This is why the NBA element of the sport, when
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you don't take care of guys, they'll be like, ah,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: screw it. I'm not going to lay it on the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: line for you. And if you're going to take care
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: of anybody, it's like, yeah, you've got to overpay them
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit more than you're comfortable. We're talking a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: couple hundred million dollars guaranteeing, which coming off a season
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: where he had missed some games and he missed the playoffs,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I get it. It's like on principle. But it's like, okay,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: on principle, they didn't pay Joey Porter because they don't
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: guarantee more than a year because the Roonies are kind
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: of cheap and all of a sudden he's on a
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: different team and your defensive backs are like, huh, kind
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of use that corner. In this Lamar situation, it's like
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you lose back-to-back games because your quarterback is just not
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: going to be that dynamic. Once Joe Burrow, Tee Higgins,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase turn into a video game, Tyler Huntley
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: might as well be mere you. You have no chance. None.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: You're not going to win that game when those guys
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: heat up because you're not going to be able to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: go blow for blow with them. It's not possible with
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley. And honestly, he's an incredible story. So part
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of the business of this, the money is changed if
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you're uncomfortable giving some of these contracts. And I'm not
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: saying it's easy. It's probably complicated because of the injury history.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But now they're in this weird situation. You got Tracy Wilson,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: who's clearly hearing things. You know, they were thinking he
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: was going to go. And then all of a sudden,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: he's not. And it's like, then they're probably feeling pretty good.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: They're up 13-0. And the Bengals look terrible. I mean,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: they look awful. Until they didn't. Until those two guys
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: heated up. And Joe just started throwing it every single
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: play to one or five. Like, especially five. I mean,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Higgins is, when he's on, it's like, holy shit, this
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: guy's good. It's like, I used to be a little critical.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, man, Joe. You know, building a team,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: paying both wide receivers is really expensive. The way you
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: got to build the roster. I get it. I give
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Joe a little credit on that one. Good idea. Anything else?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: A couple quick things on. Oh, yeah. After I recorded
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: a podcast with Colin, I did a quick video. We
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: threw it up on YouTube on JJ McCarthy. And I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was kind of thinking during the night game, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: sports are really built on stories. Reality television, I was
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: just at a buddy's house. He had a bunch of
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: people over on Saturday night, and Maria, Jack, and a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: couple other babies, and a bunch of people were over there.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: It's funny, you hear the girls talk about the Bravo shows,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and half of them I've watched, and we're talking college football.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: We're talking NFL, the storylines. I think sports, and specifically
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: what I talk the most about in football, college, and pro,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: is built on the stories. Like, what drives Saturday, right?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: The stories of Nick Saban, of Lane Kiffin, of Trinidad's plight,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of Arch Manning, right? It's the drama of their story.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I think about it, I just watched the Mike Tyson documentary. Like,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the highs and lows of his life make him interesting.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I love golf. Tiger Woods is one of the most
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: fascinating athletes of my life. If I live, hopefully... Hopefully
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the technology improves and they got some good medicine and
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I don't lose my marbles and I live, you know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: another 50 years. I'll probably never see another Tiger Woods. Like,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you can't make up that story. And that's what makes
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: them interesting. You know, and it's no different in football. Like,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: watching Mahomes and Sam Darnold. You know when Mahomes got
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: way more interesting? Is when they imploded as a team,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: won six games, he tore his ACL, and everyone's like,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I think Chiefs are done. Dynasty over. And him and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Andy came back double middle fingers like not so fast.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Watch us win this division again. And now you're watching
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Mahomes like there's more meat to the story because for
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the first time in our lives watching him in the pros,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: he not only failed, he got injured. Sam Darnold, like
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: part of what makes him so interesting is he's been
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: all over the map. I mean, he was a complete bust.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: He was kicked to the curb. And like, listen, I'm
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: not going to change my tune and act like this
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: guy has just conquered football and he's just going to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: be a sweet player. But J.J. McCarthy is very, very interesting.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Going back to college, right? He's winning a national championship,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: but everyone didn't know how good he was. He's meditating
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: on the pole. He's got crazy-ass Jim Harbaugh coaching some
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: of the games because some of them he's suspended. Goes
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to a team ready-made to kick ass and take names.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: He is terrible. They can't stand him. There are articles
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: leaked when they trade him about how he butted heads
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: with the coaches. His own teammates used to kind of
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: shake their heads at some of his antics. And it's like, God.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And then he goes to Harbaugh, and John Harbaugh doesn't
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: give a crap about any of it. And within two games,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: he's like, this guy's my starting quarterback. Then he plays
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: with Houston, Texas, who's been one of the best defenses
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: in the league up until this year, and slices and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: dices him. I mean, he was incredible today. I chat
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: GPT'd it. Well, I Googled Gemini did, I guess. I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: just typed it into Google. And some of his best
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: statistical games, like the most yards he ever threw for
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: was against TCU. in the Final Four a couple years
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: ago in that crazy game that Michigan ended up losing.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: TCU won, then they got their ass kicked by Georgia.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Threw for like 350 yards or whatever. So he's had
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: bigger games. But you can't, I mean, TCU, how many
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: players on that team played in the NFL? This is
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the best game he's ever played. I mean, I feel
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: pretty confident saying this is the best game he's ever played.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: He was layering throws. Really, even going back to last week,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: he's pushing the ball downfield. He's getting back, whether it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: five steps and just putting his foot in the ground
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and letting that thing rip, no hesitation, accurately. He looked incredible.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: But he's fascinating. You know, why? Because literally he just failed.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And people would be like, well, everyone just got too aggressive.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Everyone buried him. Yeah, he literally couldn't win the backup job.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, who I think Vikings fans would kind of
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: have to agree, I don't know what the line of
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: average is in the NFL. I'd put him below it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I would put Kyler Murray as a below average quarterback.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: He was so bad today in the first half. There
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: were a couple plays of Justin Jefferson where he had
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: to look at Kevin O'Connell and he had to say, what?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: This feels like fucking last year, bro. What is happening?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: And I'll hit the occasional play. Even as a runner,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: he's not as great. If J.J. McCarthy, and listen, I
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: don't blame them for doing that. Sometimes you just stop
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: meshing with a person. Sometimes you stop believing with a person.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: We've all worked with people that after something happens, you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: can never look at them the same. I've been there.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: You've been there. Maybe sometimes it's us and the way
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: people look at us. We make a bad mistake and
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you end up not working there anymore. You end up
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: having to leave, go to another job. Shit happens. Sometimes
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: there was no coming back. And there was clearly no
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: coming back from that in Minnesota. I got no issue
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: with that. I'm not blaming them for getting rid of them.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But we see it over and over in the history
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of the league. Guys get just thrown in the trash.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: That is the NFL. It doesn't happen as much in basketball.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Guys get thrown in the trash and become a star.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Happens a lot in baseball. Guys get cut, DFA'd, go
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to the minors, bounce back. All of a sudden you're
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: playing for the Brewers, one of their best players. Happens
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: historically in baseball all the time. Some of the guys
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: on the San Francisco Giants and their runs, Jeremy Affelt,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: other guys that were just by other teams, other organizations.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Billy Bean created Moneyball based on that. And in football,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: it is one of the core tenets of a front office.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Finding guys like that... working with the coaching staff and
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: rehabilitating them, physically and mentally. And Matt Nagy, my guy
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: who's been shit on over the years, is doing an
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: incredible job. He had a play call today on a
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: big scataboo run on a short yardage play that was
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: straight out of Andy Reid's playbook. Chiefs ran that play.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It's like they got like four running backs in a
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: diamond shape. You don't know where they're going. All of
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a sudden, parts like the Red Sea and Scataboo is
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: out the gate until he's not and they catch him.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: But it was just, it was excellent. That's coaching. And John,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: John's made for this. And the other thing that bothers
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: me too is like, what are they going to do
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: if this goes too well? What if it goes too well?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Then you tell Jackson Dart, who, listen, we all, very
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: talented player, we'll have a quarterback competition next year. Neither
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: of you guys are fucking Patrick Mahomes or Peyton Manning
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: or Josh Allen here. What do you mean, what do
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: we do? Best guy plays. I mean, who are you two?
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And that's why you pay John Harbaugh $ 20 million. Because
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: if you have a Brian Day ball, all the coaches
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: they've had, the McAdoo's, the Shermer's, it would be a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: disaster waiting to happen if it went well. I'd say
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: with John Harbaugh, I don't see how it couldn't go well.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: He would just figure it out, be fine, work with
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the two guys, and let the cream rise. They would
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: literally do that at every other position. It's why so
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: many guys at offensive line, defensive line get offended by
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the way quarterbacks are treated. They're like, if I get
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: injured and someone takes my job and I'm a pro
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: bowler or young high draft pick, I don't just get
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: my job back. I, at best, get a chance to
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: compete for my job back, but a lot of times
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just the backup when I come back from injury.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: yet unless I'm some super established you know Travis Kelsey
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: George Kittle you know I don't know some high-end player
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: but that's not the way it works for any other
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: position with a guy in Jackson Dart's seat and we
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: got a long way to go before we get there
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: but it's a good problem to have neither guy makes
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: that much money and just again let the cream rise
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: let them compete and both of them have an injury
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: history but I I've just seen people like what are
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: they going to do uh I don't know, keep them both,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: figure it out, and then if one guy can't conform,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: he'll conform his way out of there. That's the way
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: John Harbaugh will handle it. He's in a great position.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: A couple other quick things. Indy, if, you know, I
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: saw Carly on the sideline taking notes. If her number
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: one note was to tell Ed Dodds, the interim GM,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: to send out a group text to all 31 other
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: teams and say that everyone on our roster is available,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you have till late afternoon dinner time Eastern time to
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: give us your final offers on whatever players you want.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: But literally every single player, including Shane Steichen, if you
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: want to take him as well, is available. You can
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: take them all. But we're just best offer by then.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: No negotiating. We'll go from there. But this isn't BS time.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not going back and forth. You give me your
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: best offer and we'll say yes or no. And then
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll negotiate from there. But, you know, she's in
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a tough spot. This guy's never negotiated deals. She obviously,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: you know, new owner. But it should be an absolute
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: fire sale. And, you know, one scene is like Sauce
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: was talking to her on the sideline because he's injured.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: That would be a prime player you'd flip. But, yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's hard to flip an injured player especially
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: because people would want to get them for cheap and
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you just paid a bunch for them, so it's kind
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: of a tricky spot. But Indy would be insane if
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: they haven't let everyone know tonight, like before everyone went
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: to bed or got on their planes, every player on
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: our team is available because you got beat by a
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: team that like– Minnesota, I get their defense and Flores
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: is doing an incredible job. Like I just– Kyler, even
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: when he takes off, he's like running into defenders and Man,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I think the other guy that you have to keep
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: an eye on would be, like, do the Raiders have
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to contemplate trading Max Grosby and putting him on the block?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: It's like, could I get a one and a two?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: We're going nowhere. I mean, they– big spot for the Rams,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: but the Rams came– it was up 28-3 before you
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: could even blink. Cousins already being asked, like, are you
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: going to get benched? And rightfully so. But I think
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: you at least have to put it out there. You know,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I know you don't want to do it. He likes
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: being a Raider. But this team's not winning, and you're
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: still a couple years away. It's not like your defense
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: is great. You can't fucking stop a nosebleed right now.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: So could you get a one and a two, maybe
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a one and two threes? You're not going to get
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: what Baltimore offered last year, but I didn't really pay
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: attention to how he looked today, assuming he made it
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: out of the game healthy. I definitely think there are
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: enough teams that would be highly interested, and you probably
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: get more than you could think. but I do believe
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the Raiders need to think about that. A couple quick things.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Rodgers went on this rant that they won. What a
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: terrible game. That was a tough watch. Rodgers went on
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: this long rant today after the game of really on
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: two things. One, that the league had, instead of doing
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: an international day where they play a game all over
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the world, games in Mexico, Canada, UK, Ireland, they just said, no,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: we'll just do occasional European games and add a 17th
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: game because the NFL was greedy and they wanted more revenue. Well, yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: there's truth to that. But when he says that, every
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: comment I saw was like, these greedy bastards. You know
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the players split that revenue, the extra game, like all
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: this extra money and all these contracts that keep growing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: The players do benefit from that financially. This is not
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: one of those where the owners just keep the cash.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: They don't get anything. They split that revenue. Like 50-50.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: So the players benefited revenue-wise. The other thing he said
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: was a sneaky shot at the Roonies. Because I was...
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: read some people that cover Pittsburgh. I think some people
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: internally thought, Pittsburgh's kind of cheap. They sent the Steelers
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: out on Thursday night on the red-eye, so they only
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: had to stay there two nights. Instead of, as Roger said,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the league should mandate you go a week early. Basically saying,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: because I agree, older teams sending them two nights before,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: while the Saints were out there all year, kind of bullshit.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: But guess what? Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday... They don't have to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: pay for shit because all the players are just at
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: home and all the coaches are at home. It's just
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: much cheaper. They don't have to pay for the hotel
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and the lodging and the food all week long. So
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I do understand what he's saying. I don't disagree there.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And this gets back to the Roonies. They're always bitching
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and moaning about second-year guarantees. Guys, it's 2026. Top quarterbacks
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: cost $ 250 million. Guards go for $ 28 million a year.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: If you can't send a team over for a week...
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Like these guys really struggled because at one point in time,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: people in that organization knew when a million dollars meant
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: a lot. 40 years ago in football terms. Well, it
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't anymore. You know, I mean, I can now press
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: a button and I played golf on Saturday morning. It's
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: 40 minutes away. I got in my Tesla, pressed a button.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't do shit for 40 minutes. It pulled up.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I got my golf bag out. My dad would be
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: rolling over in his grave. He's how's that? We live
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: in a different world. financially, technology-wise. The Roonies, it feels like,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: are kind of living in the 80s and 90s. I
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: respect the brand, the franchise, but Rodgers, without taking a
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: specific shot, took an indirect shot, and I do agree
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: with him on that. I think the international day, it's like,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I'm already out on the international games. Why are we
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: playing a game in France? That was just atrocious to watch.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: You think the French people are going to jump on
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: to American football after watching that? If I was in
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: France and my life didn't get looted, I definitely wouldn't
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: spend Sunday night watching Tyler Shuck go at it with
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'll tell you that. A couple quick
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: college things. I don't understand why everyone's surprised when people
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: are losing. Everyone's like, BYU just reading their press clippings.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: College football is now the NFL. You can win one
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: week like the New York Giants. They had an incredible
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: game today. Would anyone be shocked if they lose next week? Seattle.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: They looked unreal tonight. Would anyone be shocked if Seattle,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: who plays, let's see who they play next week. I
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: bet it'll be someone decent, and I bet your answer
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: will be the Bears. Would anyone be stunned if on
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Monday Night Football the Bears beat Seattle? Of course not.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Because anyone can beat anybody. It happens all the time.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: It's the power of the NFL. In college, we're so
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: accustomed to the best teams stack their rosters and just
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: beat the shit out of anybody, and Nick Saban on
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: a given year has two or three tough games. And
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: usually one of those games is a team either before
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a big game or after a big game, kind of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: not fully there mentally, but they always pulled it out. Well,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: they were by far the best teams. They were like
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: two deep of first and second round picks. Those days
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: are dead. They do not exist. It doesn't happen. Like
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Miami is clearly really good. If Miami played better teams
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: instead of being in the ACC, which is terrible, they
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: could go like 10-2 and still be the best team
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: in the country. You could win the Super Bowl and
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: go 11-7. or 11-6. The Chiefs did a couple years ago.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: So all these people, BYU lost to UCF.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: You think BYU is like the 2019 LSU Tigers? You
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: think LSU or BYU is like the 2000, 2001, you know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes? No, they're just a good college team. They
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: could go 11-1, 10-2, or they could also go like 9-3, 8-4.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: All these teams can lose every single week at any moment.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: This is college football. This is the transfer portal. These teams,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: these guys, no one has depth anymore. No one, none
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: of these top 5, 10 teams... obviously they're going to
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: be way better than some, but if you're just playing
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: a 6-6, a 7-5 type team, anyone can lose to anybody,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: especially on the road. So I think we have to
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: change our mentality of like, listen, I grew up on
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Bobby Bowden's Florida State teams, Tom Osborne's Cornhusker teams, the
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Pete Carroll teams. Obviously, we've all lived through the same things.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: These teams just didn't lose. It was stunning when they lose.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: We can't be stunned anymore when people lose. Now, it
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: still is when you're watching it, but games could go
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: any way, any time, if the two teams are just semi-similar. Obviously,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: if Ohio State's playing Rutgers. But if you tell me
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Ohio State is playing most, you know, USC this week
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: with their backup quarterback, they could lose. Probably won't, but
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be stunning. all the teams in the SEC can
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: beat each other. All the teams in the Big 12
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: can beat each other. All the teams in the ACC
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: can beat each other, except Miami. But everyone else can
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: beat everybody. And if Miami played in the SEC, they
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: could win it. They could also lose a couple games.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I just think we have to change our mentality of
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: what we're witnessing, which is cool, which is fun, which
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to me makes it enjoyable. I heard a stat last
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: week that Alabama 10 years ago was favored against Tennessee
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: by 35 points. So in the middle of the SEC,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: they would just be playing rivals and would be like
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: four or five touchdown favorites. Was that actually that fun?
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: It's like cool to see it documented looking back. There
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: were a lot of games and I watched a decent
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: amount of them where you could just easily turn it
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: off at half. It's like, are they going to murder
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: these people? Like literally. I mean, how many of these
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: guys are going to go to the hospital? Those days
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: are kind of done. Like BYU is probably pretty good.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Could beat most teams in the country. They could also
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: lose to most of the top 20, 30 teams in
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the country. The other thing is, you see it today
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: with Bryce Young when they just got massacred. You see
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: it today with Kyler not being able to see. I
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: love Trinidad Chambliss. Again, one of the great stories of
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: my lifetime in college football. Definitely probably the coolest transfer
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: portal story. The guy came from Division II. Ferris fucking
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: State football. by the end of his first transfer season,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: was in the semifinals going toe-to-toe with Georgia and Miami.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: That never would have happened in the history of the sport.
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• 54:21
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  Speaker 2: High speed, low drag. High speed, low drag.
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  Speaker 1: The founder of Folds of Honor. How are we doing? Blessed.
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  Speaker 2: Just on fire. And my favorite hat, I got it
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: sitting on my desk right here. That's how I'm doing. Unapologetic. God, country,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: and helping those who serve us every day. That's awesome.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny? I don't know if you've talked
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: to a million people, but last year, once you came
• 59:01
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• 59:04
  Speaker 1: in Vietnam. My dad was born in the 40s. This
• 59:10
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• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the situation. He obviously died well before I was born
• 59:15
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• 59:18
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  Speaker 1: State at the time when he got drafted into, you know,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: and this would have been the late 60s, into Vietnam War.
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  Speaker 1: And I just started thinking like, wow, I live here now.
• 59:36
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  Speaker 1: But I saw the impact of, You felt it on
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: him and the little that I knew. His parents died
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: when I was relatively young, but in Folds of Honor,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: what they represent and the people they take care of,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: not only veterans, but first responders. Through marriage, her best
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: friend's husband is a firefighter, and we've become good friends.
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  Speaker 1: I see the difference of his life and what he
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: puts on the line relative to a podcaster here. This
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: is really powerful, and it means a lot to me
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: to be associated with you guys and to be able
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: to donate for you guys. I'm glad you're on today. Yeah, bless.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: To your point, we're all connected. Right. Everybody is connected
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: to our military and first responders. And without them, the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: country we live in is not the country we live in.
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  Speaker 2: So it is important that we honor and we remember
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: those connections. And we're virtuous, which I love, which is
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: belief and action. And that's where Folds of Honor comes
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: in the mix.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about this. Next year will be your 20th year.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: You guys are striving right now. You've had 86,000 scholarships.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: fully funded, right? Over $ 400 million. And the goal is
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: over the course of within the next year, try to
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: get to a hundred thousand. Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: That's the March a hundred thousand for 20th anniversary. And
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's so crazy. We all know, I think
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: we agree, like how fast time goes for all of us. Uh,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: and I mean, it seems like yesterday I was sitting
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: above the garage in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, and God called
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  Speaker 2: us to start Folds of Honor, my wife and I,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: and man, there was nobody. If you would have asked me, wow,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: in 20 years, would you hit 100,000 scholarships and eclipse
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: $ 500 million? I'd be like, dude, you're nuts, but must
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: be present for God to work. We keep showing up
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: every day trying to do the right thing. It's just
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: such a blessing, not only to the people we help,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: but you alluded to it coming on here. The helper
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: is also helped, right? And that's the beautiful thing about life.
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  Speaker 2: And Folds is such a powerful vessel for not only
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: our recipients, but for our donors. And it's one of
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: the last places that we come together, right? It's not
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: a red or a blue issue, man. It's red, white,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: and blue. We need a lot more of that. I'm
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: really proud, too, that on top of giving scholarships, Folds
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: of Honor brings people together in a country that just
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: is always reminding us how divided we are.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: On the website, foldsofhonor.org, correct?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: When you go there, you have the ability to donate,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's $ 5, $ 100, however many. But if you get
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: over $ 5, 000, can you explain the wingman and how that works?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so our scholarships are $ 5, 000 a piece. And so, yeah,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: you can go on, make a $ 5, 000 donation. And the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: really cool thing, too, that we do as well is like, hey, man,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: what's your alma mater? And if we have a kid
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: or unfunded people there, you can earmark it to go
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  Speaker 2: to the University of Kansas like myself or whatever it is.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: So combining the passion of your football team with your
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: country is really powerful. Yeah, but 5,000 will change the
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  Speaker 2: life of a military or first responder kid or spouse
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  Speaker 2: who've had somebody critically wounded or killed in defense of
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  Speaker 2: our great nation.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We were talking before we press record about in
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  Speaker 1: week eight in the NFL, you guys are associated. Could
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: you dive into that one for me?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so super passionate. We added first responders three years ago.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: And you look at this group of people and just
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: tie this stat on. So every six seconds, 240 million
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: times a year, 911 is dialed. They're coming to rescue
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: us regardless of where you live, how you vote. What's
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: going on? And until Folds came along, there's no organization
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: providing educational support to first responder families out there.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: So we did that.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: And then as I have discovered really this group of people,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: because I'm a career fighter pilot, I'm not a first responder.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: You realize like they don't even have a day. We
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: have Veterans Day. We've got Memorial Day. And I would
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: argue that first responders, they're in every community in this country.
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  Speaker 2: They are the fabric of freedom and stability in America.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: And October 28th is actually First Responders Day. Nobody knows
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: that date. And man, I'm just a dog on a bone.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: God's got my heart on fire to make that a thing.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: And so a couple of years ago, our friends at
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Anheuser-Busch and Bud Light walked me into the NFL office
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: and And I said, hey, to the National Football League,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: will you guys lean in to first responder day? And yeah,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: so week eight coming up, the NFL will recognize first responders.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: We will award scholarships, have check presentations alongside of Bud
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Light and virtually every stadium across the country, including my
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: beloved Chiefs. We've all got our team, right? And yeah,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: so we're trying. Obviously, we're giving scholarships away. But really
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: trying to change American culture around that. And I was
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: on some calls in D.C.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Today.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: And my big dream is that it'll become the 12th
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: federal holiday before we're done. And in my heart, like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: when we see a first responder, their response should be
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: the same as when you see me in my uniform.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: You're like, hey, thanks for your service. These people are
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: such heroic and so underappreciated in our country.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think that is something that eventually gets done?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: I do. Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, God's got it on my heart. Everybody's nodding.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: And again, it's one of these things. It's not partisan.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: It's not red or blue. It's red, white and blue.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: And I really do believe. And when you get into
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: federal holidays, pretty interesting. Like the big bump or the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: rub is they're super expensive for our country. Like shutting
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: people don't work. Yeah, because people don't work. But man,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: all these people answering 911 aren't going to take off
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: first responders day. Which is one more reason that we
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: need as a country to honor this group of people
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: because it's the right thing to do. And we need
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: them to continue to.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Do this job.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: And that's a huge issue in cities across America. People
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: aren't signing up to be police officers, to be EMTs,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: to be firefighters because we don't honor them as a
• 1:06:13
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• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: When you went into the NFL office, did you eventually
• 1:06:17
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• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really cool story on the commissioner. I mean,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: cool story. I couched that. I'll draw it back a
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: little bit. Also, kind of a sad story. But if
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: you remember, a year and a half ago, they had
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: actually an active shooter in the NFL headquarters. Yeah. And
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: one of the gentlemen that was killed was an off-duty
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: contract police officer. And I went down last October 28th
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: in New York City to the 47th precinct in the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Bronx and This thing is like out of the movies.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, these are real cops. And the commissioner of
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: the NFL went down there. I went down there. These
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: guys are all suited up, getting ready to go out
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: and do the thankless work that they do every single night.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Tears in their eyes when we showed up and we
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: gave Detective Ismael's three young boys Folds of Honor scholarships.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: And like to a person, they were like, hey, the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: scholarships are unbelievable. But the fact that you are here
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: recognizing our service is so powerful. And Folds of Honor
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: just received like the highest award that NYPD gives out.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: We actually awarded a million dollars in scholarships to the
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: NYPD this last year. So this was the start of us–
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: making sure and tell those guys, man, we got your six.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: If something bad happens, we're going to be there for
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: your family. And, uh, there, there is something in the water,
• 1:07:48
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• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: On the scholarship. Is that, uh, education post-high school? Is
• 1:07:55
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• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not to get too in the way. 25% of
• 1:08:00
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• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: super at-risk families that historically haven't made it to college
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: or there's such a traumatic event that they're trying to
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: get to tomorrow. So we will roll in and meet
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: that sacrifice with hope early in those high-risk situations. The
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: other 75% are post-secondary Most of that's traditional college. We've
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: got a great program with Mike Rowe and Home Depot
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: on funding trades now, which we know is a big
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: topic in our country and a great opportunity as AI
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: continues to eat away jobs. But that's pretty much the breakdown.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: And our class this year, just under 15,000 recipients for
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: the fall, so about 62 million out the door. And
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: we're super proud to, and people are considering donating, that 91%
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: of our funds go directly to scholarship programming. So we
• 1:08:53
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, you are a well-accomplished individual in your field and
• 1:09:08
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• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: But once you start this, I'm fascinated to learn How
• 1:09:15
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• 1:09:19
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• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: But at one point in time, you did not.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: And so you have this idea, like you said, with
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: your wife in the garage, you want to do this.
• 1:09:30
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• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: how'd you get the ball rolling? Yeah.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: So very first break was I sent an email to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Jim Nance and I told him the story.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: How'd you get his email?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I got it through Roger Schiffman, who I knew, who
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: was the editor at Golf Digest.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: I just think people, like, the thing about going crazy places,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: what people define crazy, they're not very crowded because nobody
• 1:09:58
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• 1:10:01
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• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: so Jim Nance connected. I sent him an email. He
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: emailed me back. And I'm like, wow, there might be hope.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: And then the PG of America, I reached out, I
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: called the president of the PG of America. And I said,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I got an idea that we all get together and
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: play golf one day a year and we donate to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: support military families. And they said, yes. So I got
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: a little momentum. And then I flew up to St.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Louis and I cold called Anheuser-Busch. I actually went to
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: the brewery and I rang the doorbell. And I'll tell you,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: that first meeting did not go very well. And they
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: were nice, but they're like, dude, we get hundreds of
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: requests a week from charities. I was running this above
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: my garage. And so I left. But this is an
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: inexhaustible truth in our lives. Your life goes based on
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: what you do when it doesn't go your way. That's
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: where you write your legacy. And I think the 80-20 rule,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: like 80% of the time life's going okay, 20% it's
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: going to suck. What do you do in those moments?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: And what I did is I went back every six
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: months for the next three years and I kept ringing
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: that doorbell. And obviously I'm a big Christian, a huge
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: part of my life. I'm Catholic. But the book of
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Luke talks about chapter 11. Dude, you keep knocking, I
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: will answer. You ask, you will receive. You seek, you
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: will find. Like resiliency is the divine currency of life
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: and whatever you're trying to accomplish. So anyway, I go back.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: every six months for three years. And I finally get
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: a meeting with the CEO and I tell him my story.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: And that was the beginning of, you know, going on
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: 17 years of a partnership with Anheuser-Busch and like $ 38
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: million to us. But more importantly, they take us to
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: all these places like the NFL, like Major League Baseball.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're World Series Czech presentations, right? So I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: just think people put limitations on themselves and they don't
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: ever put it out in orbit. Like you must be
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: present for you to win.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: So it's safe to say, I mean, sometimes you just
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: got to go right to the big fish. I mean,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: that changed the course of your life, Charity's life, and
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: just the trajectory of where you're at now would not
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: have been possible. I mean, it would have been because
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: the way you're wired, you would eventually figure it out
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: a way, but. Safe to say that accelerated it. No, yeah.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Hunting elephants. And it takes like, whether you're hunting a,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: you know, a gopher or an elephant takes the same
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: amount of time.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just think, you know, it is. And
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: for me, it goes back to that picture behind me
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: or anything else is like, once I caught that dream
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: of being a fighter pilot, I always said like, it
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: like just, broke it wide open for me. I was like,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be a prisoner of common assumption.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: When I said I was going to be a fighter pilot,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: I was a college golfer. Everybody laughed at me. They
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: were like, dude, that is the most ridiculous thing I've
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: ever heard. And my fifth ride, when you're solo in
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: an F-16, $ 65 million fighter jet, you get four rides
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: with an instructor. Your fifth ride is solo. I remember
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: I came back and landed Luke Air Force Base out
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: in your neck of the woods in Phoenix. And like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: this one just lands on my soul from God and
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: it's go before you're ready. And if you keep going,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: we will do extraordinary things. And I think everybody listening
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: would agree, life goes so fast. It's so short. And
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: the way that you extend this timeline is, dude, you
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: just got to go. You're never going to have a
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: foolproof plan. Just have that reckless faith. My name played
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: on my office desk as Leroy Jenkins. And if you know,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: you know, right? Do you know Leroy Jenkins?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, right?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, dude, just get out there and be reckless
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: and let it rip. Because like Ecclesiastes, we're here and gone.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: And so we just like, who are we chasing next?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: And that's like, you know, making First Responders Day a
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: federal holiday.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Why not? Well, I got to follow up. You were
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: a college golfer. Did you go to Kansas? Is that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: where you went to school? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: It was Kansas.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Were you in like ROTC too or are you just
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: a college golfer not doing anything with the military? College golfer.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: And you're like, I'm just going to be like a
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: maverick and you just flipped it. How's that even possible?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Because that can't be a normal path, right?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: No, but yeah, what's normal, right? I think that's what
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: we've discussed. It's like your life is not normal. You
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: got one life. Get after it. It was funny because
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: I met my first fighter pilot when I was 12. 1986,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: you're young. 1986 was the greatest year in the history
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: of the world. It's been downhill, I would argue, since then.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Jack Nicklaus wins the Masters, Top Gun comes out, and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: I meet a real live fighter pilot. I'm like, dude,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be a golf pro and a fighter pilot.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to do with my life. And
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget my dad. I told my dad, it
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: was a college professor. And he asked me, he said,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: you know, which way to, which way does an airplane
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: take off? That was his response. And it's like into
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: the wind, like whatever you're going to do in your life,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: if it's big, you're going to face resistance, but God
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't put that in your life to keep you down.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: He puts it to help you ascend. Um, and if
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: you're going to go do, you know, stuff that is meaningful,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: it's going to be really hard. And we talked about,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: you know, 20 year anniversary coming up and, uh, Dude,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: it's been like 19 brutal years. Like just showing up,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: getting punched in the face, having some wins along the way.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: But thank God, the good Lord wakes me up the
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: next day and I didn't quit when I wanted to
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: quit at the end of the day. And you get
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: back after it.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: What's more difficult, shooting under par in a tournament or
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: flying a F-16?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. What's more difficult?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Depends on the greens and the wind, probably. Yeah, it does.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: But the consequence of the fighter pilot business is just like,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: it's unbelievable. The pressure that is involved and how few
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: people do it. Like more people are in the NFL
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: than fly fighters by far over like a five-year period.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: So super narrow, but very similar psychology there. That you get, like,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: it's the mind-body meld under pressure. It's just the greatest
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: drug on earth. Like, just such you against you. Nobody's
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: coming to the rescue. It is up to you. Single-seat
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: fighter pilot. You got to take it off, land it,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: deliver bombs on time on target. Just like you got
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: to play all 18 holes and get it in on
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: the 18th hole.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: When's the last time you've sat in one or flew one?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: So I've been out for three years. So my back
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: finally tapped out at age 50. And what people don't
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: understand flying fighters is that the F-16 is a 9G aircraft.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, the kinetic energy is equated to like going
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: across the middle in the NFL. It is brutal on
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: your body. I'm a half inch shorter than when I
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: started flying the airplane. So I got back problems, neck problems,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: but like anybody probably that played in the NFL, they'd
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: be like, dude, I'd do it all over because it
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: is so fun.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: That's the pressure in the cockpit?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nine Gs, gravity, nine times the force of gravity.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: It goes straight vertically down your spine, which is about
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: 1,500 pounds of kinetic energy.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Do you feel that when you're flying or is that
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: just something a wear and tear over time? Like in football,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: you feel an impact of a hit. When you're out
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: there flying, do you feel it when you're, no?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: No, you do.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent feel it. I mean, you're straining with
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: everything you've got under nine Gs not to pass out.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, it feels like an elephant is sitting on you.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is a athletic thing. You're pouring sweat.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're going as hard as you can go.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: And as they always say, it's a young man's game.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: I did it way longer than most people. I stayed
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: in the cockpit, thought I could stay in shape and
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: beat father time. But my My L5 finally said I'm out, exploded,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: literally in flight, which feels not good.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Mean, as you grow older to like the after effect,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: not unlike an old guy in the NFL, like it
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: takes you two days to recover. So, but yeah, just
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: so blessed to live that dream.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: What's the active age of just an active fighter pilot
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: in the Air Force?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Most people, I think the average age that you're out
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: is like 38. Got you.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: It is older. Yeah. It's not like 22-year-olds are doing it.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: It is experience.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Typically, you'll get to pilot training, you'll be 23, and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: most people are not doing 20-year careers. They'll go to
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: the airline. So mid-20s to mid-30s is kind of the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: heart of the envelope. And then you've got guys that
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: go a little longer.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife's cousin, he– he flew for, I mean,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: close to 10 years and now he's been in, I
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: think flies for United now for the last two or
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: three years. So, you know, a little more typical past life, uh,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: from what, from what he experienced. Well, uh, I, I
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: can't thank you enough. And, you know, I, I pledged
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: last year, one scholarship and we're going to do two
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: here in 2026. Where do you.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Want them to go? That's amazing.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I pour to school. You know, I mean,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: you tell me. I mean, I'm a sucker for Oklahoma.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I know some of the schools, you know, I'm an
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: adopted Sooner fan for the last decade.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's done. We have, I think we have just
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: under 100 kids at the University of Oklahoma. So, and
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: we had several unfunded. So we will fund a couple
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: unfunded scholarships at OU and we'll do them in your honor.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: So cool, right?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's powerful. You know, I was like, you know, my,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: you know, education was a big deal in my home.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: And I came, you know, both my grandparents fought in
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: World War II. My mom's dad was shot down in Asia. Wow.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: My dad, obviously his brother died in Vietnam and he,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: you know, he was a little younger, but he was
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: pulled out immediately because obviously you can't have both people,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: you know, go down and I saw the impact of
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: that and I was lucky enough that, you know, his life,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: he was, you know, everything was okay.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: It didn't derail his life, but obviously, you know, that,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: that can, and, um, it was really hard on his
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: parents and it's kind of an unspoken, I don't even
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: want to say tension, but it was like the unspoken
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: elephant in the room. And you could just, the older
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: you get and you look back, you kind of, you
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: kind of understand it at the time you, you don't
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: when you're young, but you look back and you realize
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: that the impact on that, uh, It's tough.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you're honoring both of their legacies. And we'll circle
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: back up. But we'll help a couple of sooner kids.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: And we'll get you a really cool certificate out to
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: let you hopefully feel the impact of these kiddos. So
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: I said we had a record year. The sad part,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: we had 9,000 qualified unfunded. So we're always marching to
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: fund the unfunded, to leave no family behind. And we
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: did that today. So I'm glad we could do God's work.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I admire what you're doing. And have a great day.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Have a great week. And go low. We're going to.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Go do the next right thing. And I do look forward.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: I'll be out there in January. And you guys are
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: at DC Ranch. So let's grab.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: I'll have to get your contact. I'll have to get
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: your contact information.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: We'll swing it. Before we hang– as we cut the
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: formal part of this, we'll get that. We'll get Tom
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Lehman out there, who's an awesome brother and Fold supporter,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: and go do DC Ranch. And we'll skip over and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: get Tom Pernice and do Silverleaf.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I need to hang out with you more often. You
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: got the connections everywhere. I told you. Yeah. It's all good.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Take it easy.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: God bless.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you. The Volume.