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Brunette beauty goes for walk, found hidden in basement crawl space wrapped In duct-tape 'like a mummy' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: twenty eight year old beauty goes missing. I've never seen
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Speaker 1: so many twists and turns in a case. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, with me an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: First of all, my longtime sparring buddy, Mark Eiglar's criminal
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Speaker 1: defense attorney and author of Be Happy by Choice, Happiness Guaranteed,
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Speaker 1: or Your Misery Back. Oh, you can find it at
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Speaker 1: Happiness Happy by Choice dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalysts
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Speaker 1: to the stars joining me out of Beverly Hills at
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD
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Speaker 1: twenty two of That homicide author Seattle's Forgotten Serial Killer.
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Speaker 1: Gary Jane Grant at Kloyd Steiger dot com. Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, but first to leave my page Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot com investigative reporter. You know Maria Fury. It
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Speaker 1: sounds like she's beautiful on the out side and beautiful
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Speaker 1: on the inside. What can you tell me, Levi about
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Speaker 1: Maria before she goes missing? You know Nancy, her friends
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Speaker 1: and family say that she's an extremely nice person, always
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Speaker 1: willing to help someone out. She loved animals, and she
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Speaker 1: was reported missing Thursday afternoon. Hold on just a moment
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Speaker 1: before we get into the missing. I'm looking at a
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Speaker 1: picture right now, doctor Bethany Marshall, and this is just
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Speaker 1: the kind of photo that Mark Eyeglash hates and would
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Speaker 1: fight me tooth and nail if I tried to bring
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Speaker 1: this in front of a jury. But you know, she
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Speaker 1: looks like I know, this drives you crazy when I
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Speaker 1: do this, Doctor Bethany. She looks like twenty eight year
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Speaker 1: old Selena Gomez, so you know now, and she's got
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Speaker 1: it looks like a objection right being to sympathy. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what Eyeglash would say, and he would argue
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Speaker 1: that this has nothing to do with her disappearance. She's
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Speaker 1: with a young man, this must be husband, Joshua Fury,
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Speaker 1: and with a gorgeous chocolate puppy, a chocolate brown lab
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Speaker 1: a puppy. Have you seen this, Jackie? I mean, when
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Speaker 1: I look at her and I think about her going missing,
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Speaker 1: it just burns me up. LEVI you said she was
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Speaker 1: quote nice. I mean you could say that about the
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Speaker 1: sofa up in the living room. But what else can
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Speaker 1: you tell me about her? I mean, I know you
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Speaker 1: say she loves pets, but I know she was an
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Speaker 1: exercise enthusiast. In fact, the last time she was seeing
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Speaker 1: she was wearing black exercise pants with a pink stripe
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Speaker 1: down the leg, a black shirt. It looks to me
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Speaker 1: as if she had gone out jock was ready to
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Speaker 1: go jogging. There are other action shots of her, or
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Speaker 1: here's one of her snow skiing somewhere with a mountain
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Speaker 1: in the back background. I know she exercised routinely out
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Speaker 1: in her neighborhood. And now I'm seeing another picture, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: of her holding that little puppy and now he's a
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Speaker 1: big dog. Here she is, he grew up with her,
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Speaker 1: and she's got a big smile on her face. Where
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Speaker 1: where do they live? Leave? I what's the location? Maple Grove, Minnesota, Nancy, Okay,
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Speaker 1: right there, Joseph Scott Morgan, You and I've seen a
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Speaker 1: lot of cases, but Maple Grove. That sounds like it's
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Speaker 1: out of the Laura Ingle's little house on the prairie,
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Speaker 1: Like nothing could ever go wrong in Maple Grove. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's what makes these cases many times so very horrific
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Speaker 1: because you get this kind of beautiful, bucolic sounding place
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, hell rains down on it. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know Chloyd Stiger thirty six years Seattle PD and
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Speaker 1: author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant. I haven't
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Speaker 1: forgotten him, by the way Maple Grove. You know, I
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Speaker 1: recall Cloyd turning into so many homicide scenes, and very
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Speaker 1: often they'll be like Fair Street, Candy Apple Drive, and
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Speaker 1: then there's a murder and it's a perfectly neat looking
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Speaker 1: residential home with a cul de side or maybe tree
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Speaker 1: lined like Beaver Cleaver, remember that, Cloyd, and it just
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Speaker 1: doesn't fit with what your mind believes is going to
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Speaker 1: be a murder scene. Well, Joseph Scott's right. You know,
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Speaker 1: on the outside of the street's going to look completely passive,
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Speaker 1: but you never know what else is going on in
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood and what's going on inside. So that's that's
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Speaker 1: the problem with these cases, that that steak up on
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Speaker 1: everybody and nobody expects them. Yeah, it really does, guys.
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to WCCO CBS
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Speaker 1: four News anchor Frank Vasello, I please need help finding
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Speaker 1: a Twin Cities woman whose family fair she is in danger.
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Speaker 1: Maria Fury disappeared after she left her home in Maple
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Speaker 1: Grove to go for a walk yesterday morning. Investigators on
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Speaker 1: homeowners near Eagle and Pike Lakes to check their property
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Speaker 1: for anything suspicious. Free was wearing a black shirt and
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Speaker 1: black pants with a pink stripe down the leg. A
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Speaker 1: public search's plan for tomorrow morning. Listen to what they said,
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Speaker 1: Twin Cities, Twin Sees. I feel like I know the
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Speaker 1: Twin Cities like the back of my hand because of
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Speaker 1: all the prey books you ever read those, there's like
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Speaker 1: a whole series of them. They always happened. I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure around the Twin Cities. So I'm looking at this location,
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Speaker 1: Levi page she went missing walking. I'm looking at her home.
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Speaker 1: It'send kind of a rural area, but it's a subdivision.
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Speaker 1: Is that where she goes missing? Yes, it is Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And Nancy her husband, Joshua Fury, says that he went
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Speaker 1: to go to work. It was around eleven thirty am,
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Speaker 1: and she was on the phone with her mom, actually
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Speaker 1: inside the house, and she said that she was about
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Speaker 1: to go for a walk. Heading out for a walk. Guys,
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Speaker 1: Maria firies family distraught along with her husband when she
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Speaker 1: goes missing as she goes out for a walk. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: can I make a comment about that? Yeah, jump in. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know, women who walk, run, jog on the same
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Speaker 1: route every single day, unfortunately, really put themselves at risk.
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Speaker 1: These are the type of young women where somebody might
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Speaker 1: be watching out of their front window of their house
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Speaker 1: and they see the same young woman come by day
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Speaker 1: after day after day. Or a serial killer is looking
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Speaker 1: for a victim and looking for somebody who's vulnerable, separated
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Speaker 1: from family and friends, an old boyfriend, somebody who's stalking her,
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Speaker 1: you know, becomes preoccupied and begins to familiarize himself with
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Speaker 1: her whereabouts. So when you tell me, I look at
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Speaker 1: the picture, I look at how gorgeous she is. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, as a psychoanalyst, I can sometimes tell
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Speaker 1: people's mental health just by looking at their face. You
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Speaker 1: can tell by their affects. She doesn't look depressed. They
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Speaker 1: look very happy in the marital picture. She loves her dog.
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Speaker 1: But it's that jogging route that just concerns me a
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Speaker 1: little bit. If she fell prey to somebody who kind
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Speaker 1: of had an eye on her, you know, as you
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Speaker 1: were saying that, Doctor Bethany, And I don't know if
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Speaker 1: this has happening with you, Mark, I glash with me,
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Speaker 1: I Renown, a criminal defense attorney and author, would be
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Speaker 1: happy by choice. Mark, take off your defense at just
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Speaker 1: a moment and help me analyze this. Because as doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall was talking a parade, a stream of women's
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Speaker 1: names and faces ran through my head. Remember Sarah school
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Speaker 1: was just covered. I think Sarah was her first name,
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Speaker 1: and her neighbor had been watching her. She ends up dead,
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Speaker 1: leaving behind a four year old little boy, but one
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Speaker 1: that is more commonly known as Molly Tibbitts, the college
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Speaker 1: student that was doing home at a boyfriend's home. Boyfriend's
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Speaker 1: out of town. She goes for a jog. Bam turns
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Speaker 1: out to be a farm worker that would see her
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Speaker 1: go jogging day after day. How many cases start just
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Speaker 1: like that, Mark Eyeglash Unfortunately too many. So what's the message?
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Speaker 1: If you're pretty stay indoors? You know? So you know
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Speaker 1: that's not exactly the message I was thinking of. I know,
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Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating, but now they're Unfortunately there are too
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Speaker 1: many cases like that, anyone in the same mode of
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Speaker 1: action so that they could be followed. You hear that
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Speaker 1: all the time. I like the point that was made. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know. In my book coming out, Mark, I deal
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Speaker 1: with how to stay safe and a lot of situations,
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Speaker 1: including exercising. One of them is to take alternate routes.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, you have a route for a reason.
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Speaker 1: Either it's timed out for the time you want, or
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Speaker 1: it's more convenient. There's reasons people do what they do.
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Speaker 1: By rote crime stories with Nancy Grace, We're talking about
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of a gorgeous young girl and I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at our picture right now, Maria Fury take a Listen
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Speaker 1: to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave Mack. Maria
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Speaker 1: Fury's family described her as fiercely loyal to her family
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Speaker 1: and friends. It's not like her to not keep in touch.
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Speaker 1: Joshua Fury reported his wife missing in the early evening
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Speaker 1: of April thirtieth. He called the Maple Grove Police Department
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Speaker 1: to report his wife missing. Fury tells officers that when
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Speaker 1: he got home from work around six thirty pm. His
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Speaker 1: wife wasn't there. He looked around the house, he found
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Speaker 1: her phone. He then searched along her usual walking route.
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Speaker 1: When he didn't find her, he reported his twenty eight
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Speaker 1: year old wife missing. Police conducted search of the home.
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Speaker 1: The next day, police begin an exhaustive search of the area,
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Speaker 1: spending two hours searching on the ground, a helicopter conducting flyovers.
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Speaker 1: But where is Maria Fury? Where is Maria Fury? They
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Speaker 1: say they did an exhaustive search. Let's get into it.
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Speaker 1: Leavi Page with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: tell me about the search. I understand the search was,
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Speaker 1: as Dave Matt just described it, exhaustive. What did they
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Speaker 1: do to try to find her? So they were searching
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Speaker 1: in the woods, they were searching bodies of water, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: They dispatched helicopters to search for her. And here's the
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Speaker 1: facts surrounding her disappearance. Her husband comes home from work
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Speaker 1: around five pm. She's not there. He says that her
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Speaker 1: cell phone is inside on the kitchen counter, her pocketbook,
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Speaker 1: debit card, everything is in wait, wait, wait, hold on,
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Speaker 1: hold on. That says a lot to me right there,
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Speaker 1: to Cloyd Steiger, it's not like her. Remember when Sherry
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Speaker 1: Peppini went missing and her cell phone is found out
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Speaker 1: in a rural area by us several mailboxes, and it's
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Speaker 1: sitting beside the dirt road with the earpiece coiled up
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Speaker 1: on top of it. It's out. That tells me she
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Speaker 1: was jogging here. Nothing seems to be a missus Cloyd Steiger.
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Speaker 1: Cell phone sitting right on the counter. LEVI, where is
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Speaker 1: your pocketbook? We don't know. We know that it wasund
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Speaker 1: inside the home. Pleas that it was about inside. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's important because it's not strewn out in the front yard,
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Speaker 1: Cloyd Stiger. It's not dropped by the car as if
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Speaker 1: she were trying to get in the car, as in
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos who went missing up in Connecticut. She's dead,
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Speaker 1: her cell phone still in her car. She never really
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Speaker 1: made it out of her garage into the home. Here,
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Speaker 1: the pocketbooks in the home, the cell phone sitting on
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Speaker 1: the counter. What does that tell you, Kloyd? What whatever
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Speaker 1: happened started in that house, whether it was well, I
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Speaker 1: don't know about that. What has she walked out to
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Speaker 1: go walking and left all our stuff very neatly right there? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's what The other thing to kind of buzz me
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Speaker 1: about this is the time that she's only gone an
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Speaker 1: hour or he's home an hour when he calls the police.
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Speaker 1: I mean, wait a minute, I disagree. He leaves around
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Speaker 1: two thirty, he sees her talking on the phone. He
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Speaker 1: gets gets back after work and he noticed she's missing.
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Speaker 1: He re walks the route Leavi page. What I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to say is there's no struggle in the home. There's
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Speaker 1: no struggle in the car. The car still sitting there. Well,
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Speaker 1: mar can you tell me LEVI there is no evidence
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Speaker 1: of a struggle inside the home. And he says that
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Speaker 1: he got off work around five pm. She was not there.
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Speaker 1: So he got on his bike and went to the
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Speaker 1: route that she usually goes on to go jogging and
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Speaker 1: walking and could not find her. That was about an
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Speaker 1: hour later after he returned off work from work, and
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Speaker 1: then he called nine one one and police arrived and
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Speaker 1: started searching for her. Well made jump in if I
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Speaker 1: I was just a quick comment. I think it's admirable
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Speaker 1: that he called the police right away. He went looking
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Speaker 1: for her, he couldn't find her. He called the Please
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Speaker 1: because so many people wait twenty four hours and minutes
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Speaker 1: too late. Secondarily, did the husband know something? Did he
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Speaker 1: go looking for her right away because she had a
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Speaker 1: stalker or she had been engaging in some risky behavior,
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Speaker 1: maybe running without a cell phone or without something to
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Speaker 1: secure her safety. So maybe we should see this as
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Speaker 1: a good sign that he went looking right away. Guys.
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Speaker 1: The police get dispatched to the couple's Maple Grove home.
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Speaker 1: They're a red fox drive after her husband called reporting
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Speaker 1: wife missing. A large scale search is launched, including teams
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Speaker 1: on the ground and searches by helicopter. Police bring out
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Speaker 1: sniffer dogs, as they call them, scent dogs. We know
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Speaker 1: that bodies of water or search did Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: forensics expert. Searching as a diver is very very difficult,
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Speaker 1: as you know, I've dived all over before the twins
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Speaker 1: were born, and very often the water is so murky
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Speaker 1: if you hold your hand up you can't see it.
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Speaker 1: Very very difficult, and especially lakes lakes. What can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about a forensic search of a body of water.
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Speaker 1: How difficult is that, Joe Scott? It's very difficult, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: First off, there there are actually people that specialize in
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Speaker 1: underwater crime scene processing and you know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: the stuff, as you stated, is done by feel. You
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Speaker 1: have to you kind of feel around. It's not like
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Speaker 1: you know, people think about you know, you're diving. You
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Speaker 1: go to the Caribbean and you can see everything in
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Speaker 1: front of you. It's not like that, particularly in these
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Speaker 1: inland lakes. Even though Minnesota is known as the Land
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Speaker 1: of ten Thousand Lakes, these lakes are not necessarily clear.
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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of silt in there. If you have,
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Speaker 1: you know, a body, or if you have other bits
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Speaker 1: of other and it's like firearms and that sort of
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Speaker 1: thing that we have to deal with in forensics that
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Speaker 1: are at the bottom of the lake. Most of these
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Speaker 1: people that process these things actually do it by touch
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Speaker 1: and feel. Wow. Just imagine being on your hands and
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Speaker 1: knees at the bottom of a lake feeling around for
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Speaker 1: a body or a weapon. We know the scale was
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Speaker 1: the search was extensive at the get go. But I
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Speaker 1: understand Joseph Scott Morgan. They start in the house. Why well,
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Speaker 1: because generally if you've got someone missing, okay, like this
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Speaker 1: young lady, it's not like she had been to work
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Speaker 1: or somewhere else. And plus this is the hub. If
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Speaker 1: you imagine the center of a wheel. Everything else kind
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Speaker 1: of radiates out from where you live, and this is
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Speaker 1: where she was last known to be. So that's going
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Speaker 1: to be our primary scene at that moment time. That's
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Speaker 1: going to be forefront and our mind as to where
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Speaker 1: it's going to give us clues as to where she
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Speaker 1: might be at this point in time. We're dealing with
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Speaker 1: a missing person's case, and that's what we're trying to
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Speaker 1: narrow down. There are there any clues at the scene
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Speaker 1: that's going to give us an indication of where she
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Speaker 1: may have been going. Did she leave a note? Was
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Speaker 1: there a sign of struggle, as we had mentioned earlier,
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Speaker 1: signs of break in, that sort of thing. So we
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Speaker 1: have to eliminate all of that other stuff before we
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Speaker 1: extend it out any further. And if there were a
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Speaker 1: sign of signs of a struggle. Mark Eyeglash, criminal defense
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Speaker 1: attorney joining me, let's just talk about Teresa Severs. That's
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Speaker 1: a great example. Cops walk in, there's an immediate sign
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Speaker 1: of struggle. Now a lot of times that indicates a
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Speaker 1: random perp, because if it wasn't random, they could clean
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Speaker 1: up afterwards. If it wasn't random, there may not be
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Speaker 1: signs of a struggle. But here we see no sign
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Speaker 1: of struggle. That tells me. It could tell me a
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Speaker 1: lot of different things, but specifically that the incident did
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Speaker 1: not occur in the home. Plus cops came and come
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Speaker 1: the inside of their home. Mark eye Larsh, Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it could tell you that, but if it all also
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Speaker 1: could tell you nothing, because yep, the first thing a
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Speaker 1: rookie CoP's gonna do when a wife goes missing is
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Speaker 1: believe that it's the husband, and because of that, they
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Speaker 1: then will consider where they spent the most time, in
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Speaker 1: the most likely place that this could have happened, being
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Speaker 1: the home. The absence of a struggle or evidence of
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Speaker 1: a struggle can simply mean that the area has been
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Speaker 1: staged however the husband wanted it to look like. And
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Speaker 1: so I don't think that you take anything for granted.
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Speaker 1: I think that you make no assumptions and you stay
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Speaker 1: focused on the husband until you eliminate them. Well, you
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Speaker 1: have to, guys, take a listen to our pens a KSTP,
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Speaker 1: ABC five, Crystal Bull. This Maple Grove neighborhood doesn't seem
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Speaker 1: like it would be the scene of a crime. At
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Speaker 1: one point we saw anywhere from ten to fifteen cop
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Speaker 1: cars Maple Grove please say. Twenty eight year old Maria
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Speaker 1: Pugh Theory was reported missing Thursday. It was through this
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Speaker 1: neck of the woods that neighbors tell us they saw
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Speaker 1: investigators bringing out their canines looking for evidence. Neighbors tell
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Speaker 1: us the two moved into the home on Red Fox
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Speaker 1: Drive this fall. I just moved in later in the fall,
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Speaker 1: and I just kind of mete him a couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Came over and helped me with my yardwork,
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Speaker 1: and seemed like a nice young couple and that we're
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Speaker 1: very happy, and all of a sudden this happens. This
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Speaker 1: neighbor didn't want to be identified. It seemed like a
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Speaker 1: hardworking young couple that moved into the neighborhood and very
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Speaker 1: he was very well mannered and quiet. Prime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Guys. A disappearance of a twenty something Maria
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Speaker 1: Fury throws a community into a frenzy. The search goes
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Speaker 1: on by helicopter, by ground by K nine, but then
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Speaker 1: with no luck. Having gone over and over her walking route,
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Speaker 1: police bring in as they call recovery dogs. Recovery dogs
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Speaker 1: in the search for twenty eight year old Maria Fury.
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Speaker 1: Then a sudden twist in the case. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Crime online dot COM's Dave Mack. As the search
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Speaker 1: for Maria Fury continues, police begin to interview friends in family.
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Speaker 1: That's when they learned that Maria Fury and her husband
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Speaker 1: are having marital problems. In fact, Maria's mother tells police
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Speaker 1: she intended to leave her husband. Friends describe Joshua Fury
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Speaker 1: as controlling and possessive. He repeatedly denied harming his wife,
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Speaker 1: and even in Tipton to blame his wife's ex boyfriend
21:53
Speaker 1: for Maria's disappearance. Police soon executed search warrant of their
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Speaker 1: home with recovery dogs, which hit on human remains in
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Speaker 1: the lower level crawl space with a dirt floor covered
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Speaker 1: in plastic. The space was less than four feet tall.
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Speaker 1: Officers spend hours working with a system of buckets and
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Speaker 1: tarps to remove the dirt from the small crawl space.
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Speaker 1: At about one thirty in the morning on May the second,
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Speaker 1: Maria Fury's body is found. How does the body this beautiful,
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Speaker 1: young Maria Fury end up in a crawl space, a
22:24
Speaker 1: crawl space of her own home. Now many people are
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Speaker 1: full to police for not finding this the first few
22:32
Speaker 1: times they searched the home, but they only found Maria
22:36
Speaker 1: after bringing in recovery dogs, which means cajavra dogs. That's
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Speaker 1: what that means. You know, you may see this in
22:46
Speaker 1: horror movies where bodies are hidden in crawl spaces, but
22:49
Speaker 1: in reality doesn't happen that much. We all recall the
22:53
Speaker 1: case of killer clown Wayne Gacy, who buried a number
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Speaker 1: of young boys bodies in crawl spaces in its own
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Speaker 1: a home, but the reality is too Joseph's got Morgun.
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Speaker 1: Professor forensics Jacksonall's state, you don't see this mode of
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Speaker 1: disposing of a body that often. No, No, you don't.
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Speaker 1: I've worked several of them over these over the course
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Speaker 1: of my career, and one of the really interesting, you know,
23:20
Speaker 1: little sidelines to this I find in these cases I've worked.
23:24
Speaker 1: It seems as though, and you know, doctor Bethany could
23:27
Speaker 1: probably talk to this, but it seems so that people
23:29
Speaker 1: that do this sort of thing where they'll take a
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Speaker 1: victim and bury them within the structure or beneath the
23:35
Speaker 1: structure where they're in dwelling where they live, it's almost
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Speaker 1: like they want to keep control of the body. Okay,
23:42
Speaker 1: And there's any number of places that we can go
23:45
Speaker 1: with this psychologically, but it's like they want to deny
23:48
Speaker 1: access to anybody else to that body, because you know,
23:51
Speaker 1: if you take a body and you're buried out in
23:52
Speaker 1: the woods, you have the opportunity of just some random
23:56
Speaker 1: person coming along and finding the body. You know, we
23:58
Speaker 1: were talking about that with working This case is a
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Speaker 1: missing person's case. In this particular instance, these cops are
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Speaker 1: not thinking about, well, maybe she's buried under the house
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Speaker 1: in the crawl space. That's not the case they were
24:10
Speaker 1: working in this As a missing person, you take her body,
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Speaker 1: you bury it beneath the house, you have absolute control
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Speaker 1: over access and movement of the remains of the evidence
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Speaker 1: and everything. And so he literally asserts himself, inserts himself
24:26
Speaker 1: into this circumstance where everything is in his control, even
24:30
Speaker 1: though her body, the wife, the body of his wife,
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Speaker 1: is buried right beneath his feet. I want to circle
24:36
Speaker 1: back to you about the logistics of the forensic evidence
24:40
Speaker 1: that you would find. Look for how it's preserved and
24:42
Speaker 1: how it's destroyed in a crawl space. It's very, very
24:46
Speaker 1: significant in this case. But I want us to go
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Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany on what you just said, Doctor Bethany
24:51
Speaker 1: Marshall joining me out of Beverly Hills, Doctor Bethany, what
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Speaker 1: does it mean when you dispose of a boy? When
24:57
Speaker 1: you kill someone and you keep their body close you
25:01
Speaker 1: and I were talking about this the other day with
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Speaker 1: Shannon Graves, where this young woman was murdered, She was dismembered,
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Speaker 1: she was putting a freezer, and the killer her boyfriend
25:14
Speaker 1: kept the key to the freezer padlock on his keychain,
25:20
Speaker 1: so every time he looked, I mean, I've got pictures
25:22
Speaker 1: of the twins and David on my keychain. He has
25:25
Speaker 1: the key fob to his lover's dead body on his keychain.
25:31
Speaker 1: That's right. So what does this mean when you keep
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Speaker 1: the body or a memento of the body close to you. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think a significant fact that could shed light on
25:43
Speaker 1: why he would put her in a cross space in
25:46
Speaker 1: the marital home is that she wanted to leave her family.
25:50
Speaker 1: Was saying she wanted to divorce him, that he was jealous, possessive, controlling,
25:55
Speaker 1: And we know I said this so many times on
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Speaker 1: your show, Nancy. Women are at the greatest for homicide
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Speaker 1: when they are gaining their independence and they want to
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Speaker 1: leave an abusive relationship. So put that fact alongside that
26:08
Speaker 1: these details that she's buried in the marital home, he's
26:13
Speaker 1: now guaranteeing she'll never leave. She can't go out into
26:16
Speaker 1: the world. She can't be beautiful, she can't be admired
26:20
Speaker 1: by other men, she can't get another academic degree, write
26:24
Speaker 1: a paper, have children, enjoy her friendships. He has scrubbed
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Speaker 1: her off the face of the earth and in his
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Speaker 1: own crawl space. Also, Nancy, another less psychological and more
26:36
Speaker 1: cognitive behavioral factor is that he actually might be fairly
26:40
Speaker 1: low functioning, meaning that he couldn't pick a very sophisticated
26:44
Speaker 1: spot for her, and that maybe this was, you know,
26:48
Speaker 1: what we call a crime of passion. I tend to
26:50
Speaker 1: think a bit more as abuse going out of control.
26:53
Speaker 1: He killed her. He had not prepared a dump fight
26:56
Speaker 1: ahead of time, and so he had to bury her
27:00
Speaker 1: close to home. You know, like with parents who kill
27:02
Speaker 1: their children. We always know that two thirds of children
27:06
Speaker 1: who are are murdered by their parents are disposed of
27:11
Speaker 1: within a quarter mile of the home, and that's often
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Speaker 1: due to familiarity and then lack of planning and preparedness.
27:18
Speaker 1: On the perpetrator's part. Guys, we're talking about the husband
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Speaker 1: a Minnesota man, Joshua David Fury, twenty eight years old
27:26
Speaker 1: himself is faced with the prospect that his wife's body,
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Speaker 1: twenty eight year old Maria, is found in his crawl space. Okay,
27:37
Speaker 1: so right there, Mike, Mark our Glash, you got a problem.
27:41
Speaker 1: Mark Eyeglash, criminal defense attorney joining me and author, Mark,
27:47
Speaker 1: how do you dig yourself out of that hole when
27:50
Speaker 1: your clients body is in your clients crawl space in
27:56
Speaker 1: the basement. Yeah, I got no problems until the check clears. Okay,
28:00
Speaker 1: this guy has paid me in nickel, I got no problems.
28:02
Speaker 1: Let's just for tandy paid hypothetically. Hypothetically the guy is
28:07
Speaker 1: paying for my kids college, then, yeah, I got a
28:11
Speaker 1: problem and usury. When the body is in your house
28:15
Speaker 1: and no one else has access to the crawl space,
28:18
Speaker 1: you're looking at a defense that likely will never work.
28:21
Speaker 1: And that is you know, was cuckoo for Coco puffs
28:23
Speaker 1: when it happened, And that's it. And then you're talking
28:26
Speaker 1: plea bargain. Yeah, I mean you're stuck. Were you going
28:29
Speaker 1: to argue that an instruder came in murdered her and
28:32
Speaker 1: buried her, had the time to bury her in the
28:35
Speaker 1: crawl space and not just that leavi page. What was
28:41
Speaker 1: the condition of her body? How was she found? So Nancy?
28:45
Speaker 1: She was found wrapped in plastic and she had duct
28:49
Speaker 1: tape over her nose, her mouth, and her face wrapped
28:52
Speaker 1: in pat plastic, duct tape over nose, mouth and face.
28:56
Speaker 1: And as I recall, plastic bag over her head, it
28:59
Speaker 1: was like doctor Bethanie Marshall, psychoanas joining me at Beverly
29:03
Speaker 1: Heels that she was hermetically sealed like a mummy. Yes.
29:09
Speaker 1: I contrast this how he treated the body with helping
29:13
Speaker 1: the neighbor mow his lawn, with his lawn work. You
29:16
Speaker 1: know he's out there, they're acting happy. He puts on
29:19
Speaker 1: what Read Malloy calls the mask of sanity, which is
29:22
Speaker 1: what the sociopath frequently do. They act. They act, They
29:27
Speaker 1: learn to pretend that they are normal in society. They
29:30
Speaker 1: are superficially gregarious and affable. They want to be liked.
29:36
Speaker 1: And you compare that with taking his beloved wife, putting
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Speaker 1: a bag over her head, feeling it with masking, not
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Speaker 1: with masks, with duct tape, pulling her arms to the side.
29:48
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan could speak more to this particular crime scene.
29:52
Speaker 1: But this is somebody who was so dispassionate about the
29:56
Speaker 1: woman he loved. He you say hermetically sealed. I think,
30:01
Speaker 1: did you ever see the movie Boxing Helena about thirty years?
30:04
Speaker 1: I know, I've tried to put that out of my
30:05
Speaker 1: mind because I knew what it was about, and it
30:08
Speaker 1: got me so upset that I couldn't bear to the girlfriend.
30:12
Speaker 1: So he successfully removed body parts until she's she's done, Okay,
30:22
Speaker 1: I'd take my earpiece even I had to take my
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Speaker 1: earpiece out for that one time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the sudden disappearance of twenty eight year
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Speaker 1: old Maria Fury, the intensive search for her. Cops come
30:50
Speaker 1: back and let me point this out to Mark Eyeglash,
30:55
Speaker 1: criminal Events Attorney. They came back with a second warrant
30:59
Speaker 1: to search home and in a crawl space no more
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Speaker 1: than four feet off the ground in the basement, and
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Speaker 1: there was a dirt floor basement, they find her body.
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Speaker 1: They find it by use of cadaver dogs they youphemistically
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Speaker 1: call recovery dogs. Take a listen to Dave maat crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com. During a police interview, Fury admits to
31:24
Speaker 1: killing his wife and burying her body in the crawl space.
31:27
Speaker 1: He says he killed her during an argument about her leaving.
31:30
Speaker 1: He says he squeezed his wife's neck until he heard
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Speaker 1: a snap, then, realizing she was not dead, placed a
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Speaker 1: plastic bag over her head and her nose. He told
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Speaker 1: police that after he killed her, he wrapped her in
31:42
Speaker 1: duct tape, the very same duct tape that he was
31:45
Speaker 1: later going to use to hang her missing posters. Then
31:48
Speaker 1: he cleaned up the house went to work. Fury told
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Speaker 1: authorities the murder and cover up took only two and
31:54
Speaker 1: a half hours. Wow. Koy Siger, thirty six years, Seattle PD,
31:58
Speaker 1: twenty two years homis sounds like he was proud of
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Speaker 1: it that he managed to kill her, dispose of her body,
32:05
Speaker 1: and do a clean up and make it to work
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Speaker 1: on time. Yeah, you know, this guy is like an
32:10
Speaker 1: ultimate I think I agree with Bethany. He kind of
32:13
Speaker 1: sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies and he just it's just a
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Speaker 1: matter of here's what I did. And you know, one
32:20
Speaker 1: of the things that you mentioned John Wayne Gacy and
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Speaker 1: varying in the in the crawl space. And one of
32:26
Speaker 1: the things that made John Easy get caught was that
32:29
Speaker 1: started to smell, and this guy would have had that
32:31
Speaker 1: problem down the line that would have started this order
32:34
Speaker 1: would kind of came up from the floor. But he
32:37
Speaker 1: is the ultimate controlling. You know, it's my house, my person,
32:42
Speaker 1: and I'll just do this and go to work and
32:43
Speaker 1: act like nothing happened at work. So yeah, he's he's
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Speaker 1: a piece of work. Guys, we're talking about Maria Fury,
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Speaker 1: Now discovered in the crawl space of her husband's home.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut seven Fox nine News
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Speaker 1: anchor Keltsy Carlson. Joshua Fury is charged with second degree
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Speaker 1: murder for the death of his wife, Maria Now. Authorities
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Speaker 1: discovered her body in a crawl space at the couple's
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Speaker 1: home on Saturday. Investigators believe Fury strangled his wife because
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Speaker 1: she planned to leave him. After today's court hearing, Maria's
33:15
Speaker 1: mother thanked the community for its support. You have to know,
33:19
Speaker 1: obviously her murder was just gut wretching, But we really
33:22
Speaker 1: want to thank the community for the love and support
33:25
Speaker 1: that surrounds Maria and surrounds all of us, and we
33:30
Speaker 1: really feel your love, and so does Maria, So thank you.
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Speaker 1: Fury's bond was set at two million dollars in honor
33:37
Speaker 1: of Maria's voice. Her family is raising money to help
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Speaker 1: victims of domestic violence. To doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts joining us,
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Speaker 1: why not just break up if your wife wants to
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Speaker 1: leave you? Why go through all of this and risk
33:57
Speaker 1: life behind ours or the death penalty just to make
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Speaker 1: sure she's dead? I mean, and it was to be
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Speaker 1: with someone that doesn't want to be with them. He
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Speaker 1: did not want to think of her being a free
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Speaker 1: agent and autonomous in the world. That would have tortured him.
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Speaker 1: These guys have what we call persecutory anxiety. If you
34:19
Speaker 1: go out and have a that means you have rejected me,
34:23
Speaker 1: you've left me behind. They're very primitive and infantile, meaning
34:27
Speaker 1: just like a baby who feels that mommy deserves to
34:31
Speaker 1: devote her whole entire life to the baby, and by
34:34
Speaker 1: the way, babies deserve to feel the way this way.
34:37
Speaker 1: These adults are like caught in that infantile mindset where
34:40
Speaker 1: they cannot let the woman go. She has to only
34:43
Speaker 1: be devoted to him, and if she does anything else,
34:46
Speaker 1: it's like off with her head. That's the psychology, the
34:50
Speaker 1: mechanics of recovering her body out of a crawl space
34:53
Speaker 1: that was no tar than four feet in a dirt
34:57
Speaker 1: floor basement to ours and hours. Take a listen to
35:02
Speaker 1: WCCO for Katie Johnston. Investigators believe Joshua Fury killed Maria
35:08
Speaker 1: Fury because they were having problems and she planned to
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Speaker 1: leave him. Belisaya, dog used to detect humans, scent indicated
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Speaker 1: a body was in a crawl space in the lower
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Speaker 1: level of the couple's home. Officers took turns digging in
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Speaker 1: the crawl space and found her body at one thirty
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Speaker 1: in the morning Saturday. Fury told police they had to
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Speaker 1: fight Thursday morning and he strangled her and put a
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Speaker 1: plastic bag over her face. To you, Justice, Scott Morgan,
35:32
Speaker 1: forensics expert, do you recall the search for two year
35:35
Speaker 1: old Kelley Anthony where police and medical examinary investigators were
35:41
Speaker 1: out way into the night the week morning hours with
35:46
Speaker 1: cranes with spotlights shining down on their hands and knees
35:51
Speaker 1: so as not to disturb what they would find, trying
35:53
Speaker 1: to piece together two hundred plus bones of Keilly's tiny
35:57
Speaker 1: body including for instance, this tiny little bone at the
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Speaker 1: end of your pinky, your little finger, trying to piece
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Speaker 1: together this child's body. Can you imagine in that basement,
36:10
Speaker 1: hours and hours taking turns, digging into a crawl space. Yeah. Yeah,
36:17
Speaker 1: it's a nightmare. I've worked several of these, and a
36:20
Speaker 1: friend of mine, an old investigator, actually described it this way.
36:24
Speaker 1: It's like trying to cook a four course meal in
36:27
Speaker 1: a phone booth. It's a very tight, constricted area. And listen,
36:33
Speaker 1: you're not just on your hands and knees and a
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Speaker 1: cross face. You're on your belly and everything is right
36:38
Speaker 1: in front of you. So it's very intimate conditions. Whereas
36:41
Speaker 1: you know, if we're standing upright, if we're working a
36:43
Speaker 1: case inside of a house, we have some kind of
36:46
Speaker 1: distance between you know, literally our faces and the body itself.
36:50
Speaker 1: But in this particular case, you're literally right on top
36:54
Speaker 1: of the body, and you're terrified because first off, it's hot,
36:58
Speaker 1: it's very humid under there. The ground, because you're in
37:02
Speaker 1: a crawl space, is very uneven. Notice what Dave said
37:06
Speaker 1: earlier in his report, it varied from three to two
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Speaker 1: four feet. It's not like a smooth basement, so you're
37:11
Speaker 1: having to deal with the contour of the ground, and
37:13
Speaker 1: then you have all these evidentiary considerations. Am I laying
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Speaker 1: on top of something? Am I moving something around? Lighting
37:20
Speaker 1: is horrible. Most people don't have their crawl space a
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Speaker 1: lit so you have to bring in lights. Well, guess
37:25
Speaker 1: what comes with the lights, Nancy, incredible heat. You begin
37:28
Speaker 1: to bake underneath this environment. That's why they kept having
37:32
Speaker 1: to bring people in and out. They're not just moving
37:35
Speaker 1: evidence out, They're having to bring fresh investigators in. After
37:38
Speaker 1: a while, your shoulders hurt, your elbows hurt, your knees hurt,
37:42
Speaker 1: even your belly hurts, and then you're under incredible stress.
37:47
Speaker 1: To try to make sure that you can put all
37:49
Speaker 1: of these pieces together. You have to photograph in very
37:52
Speaker 1: tight areas. It is an absolute horror show to work
37:56
Speaker 1: one of these cases. I think back. You know we've
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Speaker 1: cited John Wayne Gacy a couple of times. There are
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Speaker 1: these classic images from his home, which I don't think
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Speaker 1: he even stands any longer. But you know, the police
38:09
Speaker 1: in displays I think is the name of this location
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Speaker 1: up in Illinois. They had to take the floors out
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Speaker 1: of the house and there's these classic images of the
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Speaker 1: crime scene investigators standing between the joist. You don't have
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Speaker 1: this opportunity in her case. You literally have to kind
38:22
Speaker 1: of feel your way along, like we were talking about underwater.
38:25
Speaker 1: But it's a horrible environment to have to endwell too.
38:29
Speaker 1: Dr Bethidie Marshall. According to cops, after murdering Maria and
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Speaker 1: burying her body, he cleaned up meticulously. Sounds like Scott Peterson.
38:39
Speaker 1: He turned into a neat nick what to work, came
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Speaker 1: home and reported her missing. What do these actions tell
38:46
Speaker 1: you he was really planning to get away with the
38:50
Speaker 1: perfect crime. What it tells me, Nancy along the lines
38:53
Speaker 1: of what I said about him being a sociopath. You know,
38:57
Speaker 1: criminals are stupid. We all know that from years of
39:00
Speaker 1: working together, right that they never think they're going to
39:03
Speaker 1: get caught. Not only did he feel he had ultimate
39:07
Speaker 1: control over her in life and in death, he felt
39:11
Speaker 1: he had control over the community, over her family, over
39:16
Speaker 1: the police. I bet if you interview her family, you're
39:19
Speaker 1: going to find out that he was incredibly controlling and
39:22
Speaker 1: derogatory towards them as well. I think they all probably
39:25
Speaker 1: knew he was an abuser, and he probably thought he
39:28
Speaker 1: could get away with anything like that. Nobody could ever
39:31
Speaker 1: come in with lum and all that nobody would ever
39:34
Speaker 1: know based upon his personality type, that perhaps he did
39:38
Speaker 1: something to her that her family, who loved her so much,
39:42
Speaker 1: would never think to investigate and take a look at
39:45
Speaker 1: what he might have done with her. He just thought
39:48
Speaker 1: no one would check. I bet this was a clean, quick,
39:51
Speaker 1: quick clean up job. And when the investigate gators came in,
39:55
Speaker 1: it was pretty obvious what happened. What about the fact
39:57
Speaker 1: that he planned in his own mind, he actually planned
40:01
Speaker 1: to use the duct tape that he was wrapping around
40:03
Speaker 1: her head to put up missing posters. Not only did
40:07
Speaker 1: you said that, I was going to say, not only
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Speaker 1: did he plan to use the duct tape that he
40:12
Speaker 1: used on to kill his wife to hang up the posters,
40:15
Speaker 1: but he said it so dispassionately to the police. I mean,
40:18
Speaker 1: why confess that to the police unless you are such
40:22
Speaker 1: a sociopath that you have absolutely no feelings. You're cold blood.
40:26
Speaker 1: This is the kind of guy that once he gets
40:28
Speaker 1: behind bars, he's going to start bragging about the crime
40:31
Speaker 1: because it didn't mean much to him other than it
40:33
Speaker 1: was exciting to end her life. It was just that
40:37
Speaker 1: it's Eyeglars See when I hear all these details, when
40:40
Speaker 1: I hear about what he did to the body and
40:42
Speaker 1: how he tried to conceal her, and and all the
40:46
Speaker 1: specifics that you're talking about, that almost eliminates the chances
40:53
Speaker 1: of success on an insanity See that's Okayetically is that
41:00
Speaker 1: you glash? Well, you know, best I ever put on
41:04
Speaker 1: the stand was a dog, so great, so I don't
41:08
Speaker 1: mind your furry friend. So by this meticulous planning, my wife,
41:13
Speaker 1: my wife, by this, it's her fault. By this meticulous planning,
41:17
Speaker 1: he almost eliminates any possibility he's going to be able
41:20
Speaker 1: to plead And Sanny, that's I was just gonna hit
41:23
Speaker 1: you with but you beat me to the punch eye glash,
41:25
Speaker 1: you're right. Oh that's my point. Yeah, that's my point.
41:28
Speaker 1: I don't want you to hit me with that. Yeah.
41:29
Speaker 1: I look, my job is to the best that I
41:32
Speaker 1: can with the fact that I have. And you know,
41:35
Speaker 1: the guy's already giving it up in detail. It matches
41:38
Speaker 1: apparently him, not you physical evidence. Yeah, And the thing
41:42
Speaker 1: is a real problem, you know, if this goes to trial,
41:47
Speaker 1: because right now he's charged with murder two the max
41:51
Speaker 1: on that is forty years. But if he goes to trial,
41:55
Speaker 1: don't you know the prosecutor's gonna love arguing to the
41:58
Speaker 1: jury he was planning to get an inside laugh every
42:04
Speaker 1: time he hung up a missing poster for Maria because
42:08
Speaker 1: he was using the same duct tape he used to
42:12
Speaker 1: bind her body. It probably relive it every time he
42:17
Speaker 1: rip off the duct tape and put up the poster
42:20
Speaker 1: and touch and hold that duct tape. Well, you know what,
42:25
Speaker 1: rot in hell fury. We stand by his justice unfolds,
42:30
Speaker 1: God willing it will. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,