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HEAR 5-year-old Lucas Hernandez 911 call; New Thriller 'Last Time I Lied,' Riley Sager · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: M Triumph Channel one. Thirty two five year old little
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  Speaker 1: boy Lucas Hernandez goes missing while his dad is out
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  Speaker 1: of town working. Then months past in the search becomes
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  Speaker 1: desperate volunteers, a t v S horseback volunteers, a t
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  Speaker 1: v S horseback police tracker dogs. No one can find
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  Speaker 1: little Lucas until a private eye, David Marshburn tricks step
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  Speaker 1: Mommy Elizabeth Glass into getting into his car. They dry
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  Speaker 1: for hours until she ultimately leads him to little Lucas's
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  Speaker 1: body found in a washed out culvert in an erosion. Pan.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy, Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. In the last hours, we learn of
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  Speaker 1: another bizarre twist. The dad, Jonathan Hernandez right now in
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  Speaker 1: the intensive care unit at a local hospital. Why this
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  Speaker 1: after step MoMA autopsy reveals she commits suicide. The story
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  Speaker 1: becomes more and more convoluted, with so many twists and turns,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to keep up. We are going for the
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  Speaker 1: very latest in the condition of Jonathan Hernandez, Lucas's dad.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, we have just obtained the nine one one calls.
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  Speaker 1: Do they reveal what happened to little Lucas as well
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  Speaker 1: as to Emily Glass? Take a listen, Oh my' fun
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  Speaker 1: where's your son? When did he know? I'm the long
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  Speaker 1: so it was a live following five ma'am old, ma'am
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  Speaker 1: how old is your son? He was five years old?
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  Speaker 1: Wive years old? Did someone take him? No? I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what did he walk off? Now? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we have coffee. Oh yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know what did I don't know what you do
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  Speaker 1: and what Adrian are you at? I'm just fine, fine,
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  Speaker 1: solf and oh I don't know where to do, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Go and repeat your location for verification for me. Okay, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: huh so it's more all right, man, I have to go.
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  Speaker 1: I call his father because you not tell mean right now?
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  Speaker 1: All right? Can you stay in line with me. I
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  Speaker 1: need to get some more information. Okay, I didn't you
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  Speaker 1: on line with me? What is your phone number that
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  Speaker 1: you're calling from? Okay? And what is your name name? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: stay on the line with me. I've got some more questions. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what is your son's name? Luca Lucas? And he said
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  Speaker 1: he's five years old? Here, he's five years old. The
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  Speaker 1: white wats Hispanic rasion. He's wine too. He got some
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  Speaker 1: mexicane in him and not a logue. I mean you
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  Speaker 1: said he's half Mexicans. Oh yes, okay, that's fine. How Polly,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know him boone before seeing I don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine. As ethan medium or heavy build. He's little,
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  Speaker 1: he's really little old. Okay, do you remember what he
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  Speaker 1: was wearing on forward. I'm a very black sweat and
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  Speaker 1: the okay I'm breaking in just one moment with me
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  Speaker 1: is Susan Constantine, body and verbal language expert, Ashley Wilcott,
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  Speaker 1: juvenile judge, lawyer and founder of child Crime watch dot com,
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  Speaker 1: And Vincent Hill, private investigator, former Nashville p D. Everybody,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I want to get
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  Speaker 1: right into it. To Susan Constantine, you know, the more
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  Speaker 1: I listened to Emily Glass on this nine one one call,
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  Speaker 1: the more actually the more questions I have, um, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm gonna get to you and Vincent in
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  Speaker 1: one moment because I want to talk about the impact
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  Speaker 1: of a nine one one call a trial, which I
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  Speaker 1: would love to kick off a trial with a nine
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  Speaker 1: one one call because it takes jury straight to the
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  Speaker 1: moment as it's happening. So, Susan Constantine, I'm just overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm overwhelmed listening to Emily Glass and all the gasping
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  Speaker 1: and the hyperventilating and the fake crying. She knows exactly
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  Speaker 1: where Lucas is because she put him in the washed
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  Speaker 1: out culvert. She put his tiny little body there. Time passes,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know how many days have passed, and then
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  Speaker 1: she fakes this nine one one call. Now, I'm no expert.
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  Speaker 1: You're the expert, Susan Constantine. I want to hear what
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  Speaker 1: you have to say. I'm just going on the facts
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  Speaker 1: that I know. Yeah, you're very good observation, Nancy. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, if you listen to her voice at the
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  Speaker 1: very beginning, she becomes very angry with the caller. So
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  Speaker 1: anger is not an emotion that we would hear from
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  Speaker 1: someone that is concerned about that their child is missing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, her her gasping, you're right, it's very overacting.
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  Speaker 1: It's in performance. One of the things that I found
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  Speaker 1: really quite revealing was is when the caller asked her
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  Speaker 1: how old is your son? She says he was five
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  Speaker 1: years old at that point forty five seconds of that interview,
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  Speaker 1: so she had already viewed him as dead. So when
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  Speaker 1: you're listening to this, she's pushing out her cry, she's
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  Speaker 1: forcing this this um gas being a response, and it's
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  Speaker 1: very revealing that she is actually in performance. Wow, a
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  Speaker 1: performance of a lifetime. Astley Wilcot, you are not kidding, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: And let me tell you what you just said is
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  Speaker 1: so true. When you have a jury trial and you
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  Speaker 1: start with the call, not only does it take you
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  Speaker 1: to that exact moment, it pulls the jury in emotionally.
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  Speaker 1: And so in this case, can you imagine if they
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  Speaker 1: heard her and everything you've just described, and then we're
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  Speaker 1: to learn if she were being tried that Wait a second,
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  Speaker 1: she was actually involved in this child was murdered. Very actful. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Vincent Hill, I'm going on what Ashley will Cotton,
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  Speaker 1: Susan Constantine have just said. Vincent Hill, former Nashville p
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  Speaker 1: D now private eye, Vincent, this proves when you are
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  Speaker 1: looking at somebody and you're listening to them give a
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  Speaker 1: statement or their testimony, you really have to analyze it.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to take it with not a grain or
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  Speaker 1: a pinch, but a box of salt. Because if I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know better, you know, this woman could could could
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  Speaker 1: really give Meryl Streep a run for her money for
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  Speaker 1: the next Oscar nomination. The acting and the crying and
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  Speaker 1: the fake hyperventilating on the nine one one call, Vincent,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how do you determine when a witnesses telling
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  Speaker 1: the truth. Well, you hit the nail on the head, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: And to an untrained ear sound sincere this nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call. But we've all said that this was an
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  Speaker 1: over acting job. And the one thing that I picked
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  Speaker 1: up on this entire time, she kept saying I woke
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  Speaker 1: up from a long nap, But she never once said
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  Speaker 1: I went out to look for a little lucas, So
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  Speaker 1: she already knew he was gone and he was likely
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  Speaker 1: deceased at that point. Man, that's a good catch, Vincent Hill.
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  Speaker 1: She never did. Okay, Alan, could you roll some more
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  Speaker 1: of that nine one one call. I'm trying to glean
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  Speaker 1: any facts that I I Canokam, all right, I'm so here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: just keep talking about going and going. I understand, I understand, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I need to get a little bit more information. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: when was the last time you saw him around? Like
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  Speaker 1: the junior clog? Okay, and you're at he was at home?
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  Speaker 1: Just okay, all right? And what color is his hair?
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  Speaker 1: Ben brown? Short or among its swords? Okay? Was he
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  Speaker 1: wearing anything else? Hat? Or he had? He had white
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  Speaker 1: socks on and he had to pull up on until
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  Speaker 1: we were we were taking an oppen So what do
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  Speaker 1: you mean a pull up a plug for um for
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  Speaker 1: a night time you know, Okay, what color was that? Um?
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  Speaker 1: White and blue? White and blue? His down eyes okay,
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  Speaker 1: really really long eel okay, and M I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Just just hang in there, okay, M is he the
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  Speaker 1: only one missing? Yes? Okay? Did you see any suspicious
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  Speaker 1: people in the area? Uh? N? Okay, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I was somebod on the corner right about any
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  Speaker 1: other words, and suspicious people in the corner. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that us to do anything in it,
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  Speaker 1: but you just never know in this neighborhood and list. Okay, Lauren,
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  Speaker 1: we know a lot of the facts with me, Susan Constantine,
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  Speaker 1: body and verbal language expert Ashley Willcott, juvenile judge, lawyer
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  Speaker 1: and founder a child crime watch dot com, and former
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  Speaker 1: cop turned private eye Vincent Hill. Ashley, we know that
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  Speaker 1: she later tries to blame a quote homeless guy she
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  Speaker 1: claims she brings into the home, who they then infer,
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  Speaker 1: kills or takes baby Lucas, But when dispatch asks her
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  Speaker 1: point blank about strange or suspicious people in the area,
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  Speaker 1: she does not name him. That's right. She lies, lies, lies,
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  Speaker 1: a front, words backwards every direction, and and she's just
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  Speaker 1: making stuff up. Now, the one thing I wonder, Nancy know,
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  Speaker 1: she does keep saying in the nine one one call,
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  Speaker 1: he's gone, He's gone. And so I'm not a language expert,
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  Speaker 1: but I wonder if that's at all She's panicked and
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  Speaker 1: hyperventilating because she knows he's gone, i e. Dead, and
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't want to get caught. You know, another issue
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  Speaker 1: I'm suspicious about. Actually she said a homeless man and
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  Speaker 1: refer to a woman being involved somehow in Lucas's disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: But when you listen to this NIVEL one call and
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  Speaker 1: she's asked specifically by dispatch about suspicious people in the area,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't mention either of them. That story only pops
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  Speaker 1: up well after the search is on for Lucas. Another
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  Speaker 1: thing that strives me Susan Constantine body and verbal language expert. Man,
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  Speaker 1: she's got the lies down to a t. To the details,
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  Speaker 1: even describing his pull up. Yeah, it's overly descriptive. Most
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  Speaker 1: people in those situations don't really don't remember those very
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  Speaker 1: high level details. They just remember things that just kind
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  Speaker 1: of occurred. So the fact that they kind of go
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  Speaker 1: back and then they re do that statement and then
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  Speaker 1: they start adding all these little details. Then they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to appeal to the person that they're actually speaking to
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  Speaker 1: to make it sound more logical. But the one thing
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted to make a point to is, remember
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  Speaker 1: Nancy have talked about that number. Three forty percent of
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  Speaker 1: all deceptive statements reference at three o'clock or three thirty
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  Speaker 1: time frame in their statements. And again she says that
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  Speaker 1: she saw him last around three o'clock. You know, to
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  Speaker 1: visit Hill private investigator. I know that sounds like what's
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  Speaker 1: your lucky number or read the numbers or numerology, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't put a whole lot of stock into that,
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  Speaker 1: but statistically, Susan is right. She has looked at thousands
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  Speaker 1: of statements in fact situations, and there are certain numbers
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  Speaker 1: that people fall back on. I don't know why that is.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it is because for all those years they got
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  Speaker 1: out of school at three o'clock or I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing and I don't have the expertise to do that,
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  Speaker 1: but she is right about that, Vincent. Susan's absolutely right,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's the default number. And to your point, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it is because we get out of school at
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  Speaker 1: three o'clock or people get off work at three o'clock,
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  Speaker 1: so it just becomes this common number that we we
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  Speaker 1: call out during these times. But one thing I noticed
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  Speaker 1: if you listen really closely in this call, there's another
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  Speaker 1: child in the background, and you can even hear that
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  Speaker 1: this factors say is he the only one missing? But
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  Speaker 1: what's important is that child is very calm and how
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  Speaker 1: they're acting. And if this child was watching their parents
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  Speaker 1: crying and being hysterical automatically, the child would be. So
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  Speaker 1: that goes back to this was probably a huge acting
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  Speaker 1: job by Emily Glass during this through okay, m m
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  Speaker 1: and put a movie on for him and like a
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  Speaker 1: good shower really quick, and he was asleep when I
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  Speaker 1: went tick back on. It was okay, I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is a good nap. And then my room. M okay.
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  Speaker 1: So you went to check on him and then you
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  Speaker 1: went to go take a nap and he's not there anymore?
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  Speaker 1: Correct non, uh, okay, it's it's okay. Do you have
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  Speaker 1: do you know if he left with anything else? Was
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  Speaker 1: there any pets missing or anything? Oh? You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? He says, and go into the shoes and
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  Speaker 1: coat are in there. Good yea, m okay has he
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  Speaker 1: ever wandered off before. No, Oa, okay, good boy, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I mean where are you? Where have you looked at all?
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  Speaker 1: Have you looked in the house at all? I liked all.
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  Speaker 1: Went to the neighbors and I asked and they said
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  Speaker 1: no enough what I called you? Okay? And I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what he wanted to go catch next door? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know there. You hear Emily Glass when she's pointedly
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  Speaker 1: asked by nine o one Dispatch and then she goes, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I looked at the neighbors, and I looked all around
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  Speaker 1: the house, the fake crying, the fake moaning, the fake
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  Speaker 1: hyperventilating with all the while we know she is the
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  Speaker 1: one that disposed of five year old Lucas's body. At
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  Speaker 1: this hour, we learned the distressing news that Lucas's dad
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  Speaker 1: Lucas's father, the only person left alive of the scenario,
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  Speaker 1: is in the intensive care unit at the local hospital.
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  Speaker 1: We have also obtained his nine one one call when
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  Speaker 1: he comes back to his home um and he finds
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  Speaker 1: Emily Glass dead from a lethal shotgun wound. Listen, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: tell me exactly what happened. Oh, it's the first time
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  Speaker 1: I've been home and like three weeks. Uh my fiance
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  Speaker 1: who has been saying here m h. And I had
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  Speaker 1: nowhere else to go tonight, so I asked her, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: are you awakes, et cetera, and she didn't answer. So
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  Speaker 1: I came home and it's so bad. It's so bad.
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  Speaker 1: I saw my rifle at her feet. Yes, I think so.
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  Speaker 1: I think so. Her her brain is laying on the
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  Speaker 1: carpet and her head is split wide open. Where's where's
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  Speaker 1: it done at? Now it's at her peek? Okay. Then
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  Speaker 1: you said it's a rifle, yes, okay, have you seen
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  Speaker 1: any other weapons? No, ma'am, I have a shotgun in
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  Speaker 1: the closet. If it's still there, I haven't even checked.
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  Speaker 1: But there was only my rifle that it looks like
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  Speaker 1: she got out of the case. Okay, And is anyone
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  Speaker 1: else injured? Then you are hearing Jonathan Hernandez on his
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call when he discovers his fiancee Emily
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  Speaker 1: Glass looks his stepmother dad in his home. Joining me
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  Speaker 1: Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Susan Constantine,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott and Vincent Hill. Susan Constantine, what do you
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  Speaker 1: make Jonathan's words? One, Well, first of all, he takes
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  Speaker 1: too much time to lead up to what happened that
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  Speaker 1: nine when one operator said what happened? And then he pauses,
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  Speaker 1: He's like he's exhausted, and then he uses what Nancy again,
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  Speaker 1: I've been gone for about three weeks, and then he
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  Speaker 1: you know, the lead up to what happened is too long.
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  Speaker 1: So there is a there's science behind this tape about
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  Speaker 1: of the story should be the lead up, fifty of
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  Speaker 1: the body of the story and of the end. But
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  Speaker 1: if you listen to his story, he's got fifty percent
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  Speaker 1: of it's the lead up and when he's walking in
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  Speaker 1: the door, so he's a very emotionally disconnected. And he
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  Speaker 1: also gives you reason why he wasn't there, that I
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  Speaker 1: had nowhere else to go, and then um he uses
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  Speaker 1: the word etcetera, etcetera is where you're leading out information
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  Speaker 1: remember later or later on. Meanwhile, sometime thereafter he's not
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  Speaker 1: giving us all the information what led up to the
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  Speaker 1: reason why he was there. To Ashley Wilcott, juvenile Judge lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: founder offrime watch dot com. What do you make of it?
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  Speaker 1: There's just too much that I question about the father.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously I feel for him, grieve his loss, all of
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  Speaker 1: those things, But Nancy, something doesn't add up to me.
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  Speaker 1: And we do have reports from relatives that there have
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  Speaker 1: been bruises on Lucas before his death and signs of abuse,
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  Speaker 1: and I just believe that the father knew more than
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  Speaker 1: he's letting on too. I noticed that he refers to
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  Speaker 1: her still as my fiance, and that he had nowhere
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  Speaker 1: else to go that night and apparently was going there
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  Speaker 1: to stay his fiance Emily Glass, Lucas's stepmother, staying in
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  Speaker 1: the home. Joining you right now, Lee, Agan, Lee, what
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  Speaker 1: can you tell me about the latest regarding Jonathan Hernandez
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  Speaker 1: in the I c you what's happening. Shortly after lucas
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  Speaker 1: Memorial on Saturday, he started having breathing problems and he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't follow. I spoke to his mother, Cindy, and she
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  Speaker 1: said that he went to the er Saturday evening. They
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: thought it might have been tonsilitis, but they gave him something,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: sent him home and by three am that the pain
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: had gotten much worse. So he went back in and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: they checked him into the hospital at that time, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: they're doing a CT scan to figure out what's going on.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: He's still in a lot of pain. He's still there.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: He can't breathe, he's having trouble eating, and they really
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: don't know at this point it's gonna be he's gonna
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: be determining after they get the test back. You know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I'm just overwhelmed with what he has been through to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: visit him. Private investigator, former Nashville p D. What do
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you make of his nine one one call. I noticed
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: he was extremely deliberate with his speech, and on the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: several times that he's spoken with us and you've been
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: with me, Vincent, he was very calm and very deliberate.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And first it threw me off a little bit because
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: he's talking about such emotional and upsetting topics of disappearance
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of his son, five year old Lucas, Lucas's death, his
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: battle to get custody of his one year old daughter,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: who was you know, taken away during all this um
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: He of course was out of town when all of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: this happened, just trying to make a living. Then the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: discovery of Emily Glass dead in his home. I just
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: think it's been too much for Vincent. Yeah, it's definitely
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: been a lot for anyone to take in Nancy. But
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: going back to what Susan said in his nine one
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: one call, there was a lot of build up to
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: what happened, And again, when you're listening to the calls
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: in it as an expert, you would expect that to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: come out first. And not pointing fingers at Jonathan by
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: any means, but I'm sure people will question because he
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: said things like she had my rifle, which could explain
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: why his DNA would be on it if this was
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: investigated a different way. So there's a lot going on here. Again,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: not pointing fingers to Jonathan, but the nine one one
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: call did seem a little calm, a little deliberate, less
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: than what you would expect if you just found your
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: fiance with her brains blown out on the floor. I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: want to listen again to what I can learn from
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: this nine woman call from Jonathan her Nandez listen exactly
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: what happened. Oh, it's the first time I've been home
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and like three weeks. Uh, my fiance has been saying
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: here m H, and I had nowhere else to go tonight.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So I asked her, Hey, are you awake, et cetera,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and she didn't answer. So I came home and it's
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: so bad. It's so bad. I saw my rifle yourself. Yes,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think so. Her her brain is
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: laying on the carpet and her head is split wide open.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Where is where's it done that? Now? It's at her feet? Okay.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Then you said it's a rifle, yes, okay. Have you
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: seen any other weapons? No, ma'am, I have a shotgun
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: in the closet. If it's still there, I haven't even checked.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: But there was only my rifle that it looks like
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: she got out of the case. Okay, And is anyone
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: else injured? The you know of you know, his demeanor,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Susan Constantine is very similar to every time we spent
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to him. So that is his natural demeanor. I think
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the guy's just been through too much, Susan. What do
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you make of his demeanor? Well, I think that you're right, Nancy,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And part is that you know, we do look at
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: norm or baseline behaviors. How do they normally sound? But
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: there's other information that he's not giving us. He's he's
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: leading out stuff that's really important, you know, like etcetera.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: What is why does a person use etcetera. They use
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it because they're leaving out things that are leading up
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to what happened. All I'm saying is that there's something
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that occurred from the time he got the call to
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: when he got there, So there was something that occurred
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: between the two of them before they got there. His
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: his demeanor is very flat. He's got a very flat affect,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: but it never changes, even when he's talking about his
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: brain laying on her brain laying on the floor. It's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: just very odd, even though that is his baseline behavior. Two, Alan,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: do Alan, I know you recall when we spoke to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Jonathan and everything he told us corroborates what he says
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: in that normally call. A lot of people have laying
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: blame at him at his feet. They have suggested he
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: was part of Lucas's disappearance, which I do not believe.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: They have suggested he's responsible for Emily. Emily's death, which
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I do not believe based on the autopsy findings. Some
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: of her friends have joined us and they have had
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: suggested he or someone else was responsible. Even a Wiccan
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: plot up Wicca witchcraft. Okay, almost too fantastical to take in.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: But I want you guys to listen to what Jonathan
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: told us as compared to the nine on one call. Listen.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: The lights were on and the TV was on, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it looked like, you know, somebody was there. And I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: go to the bedroom and she's not there. So I
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: go out to the garage and check to see if
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the car was there. I thought, maybe she wasn't staying there,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: maybe had left for something. And her car was there
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: in the garage. So I went back inside and did
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: a more thorough room by room search, and when I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: found her in the back room. When you found her,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: was she dressed? Was she lying in bed? What was
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the condition of her body? She was dressed, It looked
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: like she had pajamas on. At first? Did you believe
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: she was just asleep? No? I did not. I thought
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: it was a dream. I wasn't sure what was happening
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: at first. Why are you convinced, Jonathan Emily killed herself
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: just just the way everything looked um, It looked like
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: she had thought about it. She got my gun case
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: out of my closet and took it into that back
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: room with her, and then opened the gun case there,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and the gun was laying next to her, and she
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: had it looked like she had smoked three or four
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: cigarettes that were on the on the floor by her feet,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: so you know, maybe she had thought about it for
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: a little while anyways before she did it again. Everything
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Hernandez has told us in the past is corroborated
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: by this newly obtained one call. This is what he
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: tells me regarding the crime scene itself when he finds
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Emily Glass dead in her home. There were actually three
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: suicide notes. Listen to what Lucas's dad, Jonathan tells us
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: about the discovery of those suicide notes. Where were they?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. They didn't They didn't tell me
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: where they were, and as far as two of them,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: they haven't told me what's in them. Except for the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: third one they did tell me was rolled up and
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: stuck inside of her engagement ring and it said to um,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: give our daughter the ring when she gets older. With me,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, Ashley Willcott, and Vincent Hill also with me.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee Egan Lee, I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: find it very difficult to believe a simple breathing problem
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: lands Jonathan Hernandez and I see you and he's still
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: in there. Well, I think it's a bit more than
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: just a breathing problem. His mother said that there could
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: be like some kind of lesions or an abscess on
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: a esophagus. They again, they don't know for sure, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to lease tests are done, but it was enough to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: where when he went back the second time, they checked
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: him in their to Ashley Willcott, Ashley, I'm wondering armchair
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: diagnosing here when you have there They've confirmed it's a
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: esophageal issue. We think when you have incredible stress, very
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: often your esophagus clamps up and it feels like heart
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: attack and people actually have to lay down prone because
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the pain is so intense, and it's awfu mistaken for
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a heart attack. I mean, actually, after all this, dad
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: has been through the suggestion, as you pointed out, that
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Emily Glass had been mistreating and abusing the child all
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: this time when he was away working I guess on
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: an oil rig type situation and leaving his son with her.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: He did not see it, He did not realize what
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: was happening. According to him, then the sun missing. He's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: looking for the Sun for three months trying to find him,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: only to find out his body has been found, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: then as fiance commits suicide. I mean, that guy has
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: been through hell and back. Arguably one person can only
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: take so much, and he's full up of what he's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: had to take. The other thing, Nancy has to remember,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: when you interviewed him one time, he did say the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: other piece of this that was so hard is that
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: people are actually angry at him and contacting him and
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: won't leave him alone. Because of course all of America
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: wants to tell him, you know, what they think about
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: his actions are lack of action. So I think that's
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: one more additional stress that was added to all of
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the rest of us. I guess part of it Vincent Hill.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, he is the father of Lucas, so ultimately
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it is at his feet what happened to Lucas, because
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be taking care of your child. But
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I've just got to say, the man's out of town,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: trying to make a living to support everybody when this occurs.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't see how he could be responsible.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: The sad part, Nancy is he entrusted Lucas with Emily
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: as many of us as parents do. Me being a
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: single father, sometimes I have to entrust my son with
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: someone while I'm out making a living. So we can't
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: lay that blame at Jonathan's feet that this happened in
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Lucas because he thought his fiancee would assume that role
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: of protecting. Lucas susan constantine body and ver a language expert.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: He has the same methodical, uh tone of voice every
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: time we hear him, and I don't know how he
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: controls all that stress. Well, it sounds like to me
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that he holds it in and that's probably why we're
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: seeing the reason why he's in the hospital, because you
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: can only retain that so much. Remember we talked about
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: all that anxiety being held inside that it's like a teapot.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Once it gets to a certain temperature, it starts to boil,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and it starts to boil over. So and I think
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that's what we're saying here. Take a listen to the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: memorial for Lucas Hernandez hild in the last days, I'd
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: like to share a letter inspired by the many volunteers
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: who have been forever changed by Lucas Lucas Hernandez. That's
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: a name many of us heard for the first time
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: on a cold February day. As it sounds, slowly sank
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and darkness fell. The moment we first heard his name,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: we realized that the worst fears of any parent we're
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: coming through. A child was missing out in the dark, alone,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: cold and afraid. We didn't know him yet yet the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: community drew in a tense breath, filled with fear and anxiety,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and we would not expel for the next ninety seven days.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: In the beginning, Lucas was simply a missing child. We
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: did not know him. We had never heard the sound
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: of his voice or witnessed his sweet giggle. We didn't
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: know the struggles that he had faced when he came
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: into this world, small and sick. We didn't know about
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: his cherished mother and his idolized father. We didn't know
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: about the precious moments he spent with the family whom
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: adored and loved him. All those things came later, graciously
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: gifted to us by those who knew him best. Joining
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: me right now and name you all know or should know,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Riley Sager. Awesome, awesome book coming out the last time
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I lied. Oh my goodness, Okay, that's conjuring up all
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: sorts of images for me. Riley. Now it seems like
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I was just talking to you about Final Girls, which
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: was awesome. Tell me about the last time I lied. Oh,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: first of all, what I need to know is can
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I get it immediately? I'm all about instant gratification. Can
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I get it on Amazon? That's my first question. Yes,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: it is available today wherever books are sold. All right, Now,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that that's important to me because you know, uh, the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: school the twins go to it, they pile them up
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: with reading and honestly to go to the bookstore. Don't
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: get mad at me because I'm all about the traditional bookstore,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: brick and mortar. I'm down with it. But for their purposes,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: it's easier for me to just carry around an iPad
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and downloaded on Kindle. So you've made me very happy
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that I can get the Last Time I lied. Yes,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that's the title of his brand new book on Amazon. Okay,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: now hold on, and this is not an ad for Amazon.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't know them if they bit me on the net.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I'm all about the book the last time I like. Okay,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: it's out today, first day. Tell me it better be
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: a thriller. Riley, if there's not a dead body, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not thrilled now, I don't want it. Forget a romance.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Tell me this is not a romance, is it? There?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: There is a little bit of romance, but oh, dear
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Lord in Heaven, what it's all you can think about?
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Is sex? Really? Okay? When there's a dead body. I
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: have this fight all the time about Hally Dean because
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I have um a team. I come up with ideas
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: for my character Haley Dane, and they always want her,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you know, getting more involved with a man. I'm like,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: what is it with you people? Is that all that's
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: on your mind? So you threw in some romance, okay,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I hope it's you know, was an appropriate amount of romance.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: And he's suspicious too, so it might not be completely romantic.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I want the thrill, Riley, tell me, Okay. So the
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: book is about a woman named Emma Davis and fifteen
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: years ago she went to an exclusive all girls summer
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: camp and well, hold on, whoa whoa whoa woo all
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Lucy and John Davis friends want them to go to
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: summer camp. I'm like, h E double l no what
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I want them dead or molested? Forget it. They're staying
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: right here with me and we're staring at the TV.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Hold on, how old is Emma when she goes to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: summer camp. She mm hmm. Okay, that's a little bit better. Okay,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: go ahead. I was about to accuse you being a
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: bad dad. Although this is a fictional character I'm getting
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: mad about. Okay, go ahead. Emma goes to camp. What
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: happens M Three of her cabin mates um leave the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: cabin in the middle of the night, and the last
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: one out the door shushes her and says, you're too
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: young for this, M And they're never seen again. I'm
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: getting chills. Okay, just so you know, I was a
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: camp counselor at Rock Eagle National four Camp when I
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: was a hYP master. All day long, I took children
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: on hikes and you're you just scared me the thought
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of three of them getting out and never being seen
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: alive again. And now, fifteen years later, she's invited back
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to that same camp to teach art because she's an
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: up and coming artist, and she decides to go and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: figure out try to find out what happened to her friends.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: He actually gave me chill bumps. Just then okay, So
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: they leave emmastades behind. Whatever you do, don't give away
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the ending, because I will never ever forgive you. My
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: husband is the worst. We can't watch a movie without
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: him blurting it out, usually because he's seen it before,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: not because he's sleuthed it. Okay. And even the twins
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: their ten. Before we watch any movie, they're like, Dad,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: do not speak, okay, don't don't give it away. So
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: they leave. It's in the middle of the night. I'm
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: scaring myself. Then happens um no one. They've never been found.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: So fifteen years later later, Emma returns to the camp
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: as a painting instructor, and her real reason is to
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: try to figure out what happened to her friends, and
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: when she gets there, she realizes that everything about that
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: camp might not quite be what it seems. You mean,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Camp Nightingale. I mean, do you think maybe you should
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: have given it a creepier name than Nightingale, like Camp Freaky.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: But names can be deceiving. Looks can be deceiving. You
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: can't trust anyone. I love that, okay, go ahead, says
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: She goes back to Camp Freaky. Excuse me, Camp Nightingale,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and what happens as a painting instructor. But wait a minute.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: During the years between age thirteen and she turns into
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: a young adult, what happens then, Well, she's hated in
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that time? Do we know? She's hated by the past
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: those mentally haunt her. She wants to know what happened
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to him, what happened to them? And this is what
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: do you mean by haunted? To come to her in dreams?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: She wakes up with the night screaming, she's sweaty. She
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: what tell me, Clammy? She might have had some mental
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: problems after the disappearance. Well, I guess so, and some
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: of them might return to her as hallucinations, or they
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: might be ghosts. You never know. Wait, let me ask
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: you something. Where are you from, Riley sag or that
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: you don't believe in ghosts? I am from the middle.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Let me guess New York City, No, Pennsylvania, what part please? Um,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: It's the tiniest county in the state, Montour County. I
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: lived in Philly for a while with my sister when
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: she was a professor at Wharton for a brief time
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: after my fiancee was murdered, And so I know the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Philly area pretty well, Um, now where is this? This
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: is pretty much in the middle of the fate. Yeah,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I grew up surrounded by field and to soybean fields
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and tall pine trees. So we don't know exactly why
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: she's hallucinating. She's having dreams or are they for real
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: ghosts begging her to help find them? So that night
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: when the girls leave, they're also thirteen, I take it. No,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: they're older girls, older as in fifteen, sixteen, sevent and
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: she has no idea where they were going. Did she
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: try to go along? That would be spoiling things? All right,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: don't don't spoil it, don't don't you dare, because I
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: will never forgive you. Now you have just come off
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the success of Final Girls. Final Girls. For those of
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: you you know what, I'll let you tell it before
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I go on and on about you. Tell about Final Girls,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: because the huge best sell Girls was about um, a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: group victims of horrible horror movie like massacres. And there
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: are three of them and they get all this attention
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: in the press, and um when one of them dies
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  Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances, the other two sort of meet up
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  Speaker 1: and things get really suspenseful and scary from there. Well,
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  Speaker 1: each one of the girls survives a horror and suddenly
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  Speaker 1: they realize somebody wants them dead. They were the victims
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  Speaker 1: of three separate tragedies. Okay, the only way that they're
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  Speaker 1: bound together is what they went through, the similar trauma
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  Speaker 1: of having been through that. Right. Well, Riley, question to you,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: where do you get the ideas about torturing young girls?
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I can't help but ask, well, I don't see it
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  Speaker 1: as torture and young girls. I see it as showing
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  Speaker 1: their empowerment. Empowerment with basically a serial murder in the background. Uh. Well,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: in the three final girls, of course they were. The
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  Speaker 1: tragedies are separated. But how do these ideas come to you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm in there's nobody missing in your apartment complex. There's that.
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  Speaker 1: If there is, I didn't do it, Alan, get on it. Wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: let me let me get this straight. The ideas just
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  Speaker 1: quote come to you? Because if I had you on
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  Speaker 1: a cross examination so much like the dream O. J.
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  Speaker 1: Simpson had the ideas just come to you? What a
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: phenomena alminous is If you're clairvoyant, Riley Sager, when did
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  Speaker 1: the ideas come to you? Are you asleep? And you
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: wake up. Are you driving down the road? What? Um?
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Part of my writing process is really just allow myself
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  Speaker 1: thinking time where I just sit in a comfy chair
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  Speaker 1: with a of coffee and a pen and paper and
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  Speaker 1: just think about what fascinates me. What do I want
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to spend a year writing? What? What I what could
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  Speaker 1: make a really interesting, suspenseful book. And with the last
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: time I lied, one of the things that inspired me
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: was it's a It's a classic movie from Australia called
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Picnic at Hanging Rock and it's about girls at an
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  Speaker 1: all girls school in the outback who go to a
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  Speaker 1: place called Hanging Rock and they vanish and there are
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  Speaker 1: no answers. The movie doesn't tell you what happened to them.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Riley Sager, you're freaking me out just a tiny bit.
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure anybody's missing? What's in your apartment complex?
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  Speaker 1: You know I can find out, Riley, You might as
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: well tell me the true I put my neighbor on
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  Speaker 1: the phone, No, because I know that's How do I
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  Speaker 1: know that's your neighbor, not somebody bound and gagged in
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  Speaker 1: your basement? I mean I don't know. Okay, So you're
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: telling me Alan checking out? Make sure anybody's missing in
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: his apartment complex. So how long did it take you
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: to write the Last Time I Lied? It was about
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: a year. In between finishing Final Girls and the publication
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: of Final Girls, I had a lot of time to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: work on my next book, and I spent a lot
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: of time trying to figure out what kind of creepy
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  Speaker 1: things are happening at this creepy camp and the middle
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: of the forest. Well, there goes the children's My children's
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  Speaker 1: chance to go into camp next summer. That is just
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: not going to happen, and certainly not to camp nightingale U.
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  Speaker 1: So question to you, I apologize to them because you
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: will not be sending them to camp after going to
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: camp anytime soon. Let me ask you a question. So
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: we have Emma in this Last Time I Lied and
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Quincy and Final Girls. Are they different? Do you do
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: they have the same type of personality and how did
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you create that personality? Well? I like to look at
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: what happened to them in the past, these traumatic events,
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  Speaker 1: and see how they shaped them. For Emma, she's a
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: painter and one of the things she does is she
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: paints the girls who went missing from her cabin. That's
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the first thing she paints on her canvases, and then
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: she covers them up with abstract views of forests and
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  Speaker 1: lakes and trees, and that sort of her way of
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: sort of trying to process her grief and this feeling
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: of guilt that she has about their disappearance and not
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: knowing what happened at them. The book is really all
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: about what does a person do when they don't have
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  Speaker 1: answers and at what lengths will they go to to
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  Speaker 1: find those answers, And the main crux then for Emma
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  Speaker 1: is getting answers about what happened to her friends that night,
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