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ITB Roundtable: Intel From Two Days Of Eagles Mandatory Minicamp · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It
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  Speaker 1: is Jeff Moser, it is Adam Kaplan and of course
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  Speaker 1: we are joined by Inside the Birds dot COM's Andrew
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  Speaker 1: de Checko. Eagles mandatory mini camp, two of them back
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  Speaker 1: to back Tuesday Wednesday, it's over. We got all the intel.
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  Speaker 1: Adam was there, Andrew was there. We're gonna bring you
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  Speaker 1: all the intel from their eyes from the Jefferson Health
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  Speaker 1: Training Complex to the ears of our listeners in this
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  Speaker 1: podcast and really looking forward to doing that. So let's
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  Speaker 1: get started right away, fellas. And by the way, it's
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  Speaker 1: crazy now because after this there's six or seven weeks
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  Speaker 1: of no football until training camp.
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  Speaker 2: So this was it.
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  Speaker 1: This was both of your opportunities to see the whole
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  Speaker 1: team there, the new offense and the requel in addition
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  Speaker 1: to the defense. But Andrew, give us the attendance report
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  Speaker 1: real quick.
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  Speaker 3: First for both days.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe tryon show Yanka wasn't there for either day,
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  Speaker 4: and then not practicing today was Makai Lemon, Jahad Campbell.
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  Speaker 5: Those were the two names.
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  Speaker 4: Britain, Cubby Tucker, Large Grant kal Kata and then Jalen
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  Speaker 4: Carter participated in individuals and warm ups, but again not.
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  Speaker 5: In team drills, so that was something.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And Jonathan Bernard as well, he hasn't participated in team
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  Speaker 4: drills throughout the.
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  Speaker 2: Spring and that's because of his surgery. Yeah, he was
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  Speaker 2: talking about that today.
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  Speaker 1: Right Tryon Shoenka was also not at the two open practices.
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  Speaker 3: Is that accurate or was he there?
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  Speaker 5: No? I have not seen him. He hasn't been there.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, after that first day, I was told
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  Speaker 4: that all but one player was there for the for
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  Speaker 4: the voluntary ones.
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  Speaker 3: So that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And then I know a lot of the guys said
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  Speaker 1: that DeVante Smith was an excused.
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  Speaker 5: Personal a personal reasons.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But it's weird that Trion Schwenka, who's
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  Speaker 3: trying to make.
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  Speaker 2: A team, he ain't gonna make it anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I know he wasn't gonna make it, but I also
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  Speaker 1: wonder if he realized that and then he's, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: pulling a Jakwaski tart from many years ago and been
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  Speaker 1: like I gotta, I gotta leave.
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  Speaker 6: Because I wonder he signed April six, It was the
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  Speaker 6: date of execution of his contract.
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  Speaker 2: No, gonna look up.
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of one of these things like why did
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  Speaker 6: he sign here when they gave because I'm sure his
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  Speaker 6: agent could find out what other guys were making. Gurnard
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  Speaker 6: comes in here for twenty five million, you know, he
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  Speaker 6: gets extended twenty five MINIU a season, and then they
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  Speaker 6: brought it Arnold Ebukeetty four he's gonna make I think
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  Speaker 6: four million. Let me just double check that. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 6: gonna make four point three million. Ebuqutty, by the way,
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  Speaker 6: signed before try On Shayanka did. It's like, why did
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  Speaker 6: he sign here? And then if you really do your homework,
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  Speaker 6: Vic only plays three? You dress four edges, he play three.
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  Speaker 6: That's what he does. He doesn't change that. By the way,
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  Speaker 6: the same thing that.
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  Speaker 3: Was the discussion that we had at the time.
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  Speaker 6: It is like, which the yeah, yeah, I we'll see
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  Speaker 6: if it's we'll see, we'll see what happens. But yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that was kind of odd. But listen the story that
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  Speaker 6: you know, it was warm. It was day two many
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  Speaker 6: mandatory minicamp practices, and you know, Andrew was there with
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  Speaker 6: me and we exchanged notes. Is it was my first
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  Speaker 6: exposure to it, and it's kind of what I thought
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  Speaker 6: it would look like. The offense condensed slits, tight, splits.
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  Speaker 6: What you call coaches depends on which coach you talked to.
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  Speaker 6: The tight splits. It sure as hell looks like the
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  Speaker 6: McVeigh offense, the concepts and Sean does this for a
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  Speaker 6: reason because it helped, as we've talked about now for
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  Speaker 6: five years, it helped free up Cooper Cup and then
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  Speaker 6: once they got pooking to cook because knew they couldn't get.
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  Speaker 2: Open on their own. It helps you get open. Talk
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  Speaker 2: to coaches about this.
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  Speaker 6: It's a lot easier to run against man coverage when
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  Speaker 6: you play inside. When you're outside, it's really hard to
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  Speaker 6: win one on one. That makes sense. But Andrew, you've
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  Speaker 6: been here for every practice they let well, all the prices,
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  Speaker 6: they let you watch with the media. Overall, you've seen
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  Speaker 6: this passing game. How much different does it look to
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  Speaker 6: you than you've seen before?
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  Speaker 5: What a bit different you're saying, player schemed open. Whereas
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  Speaker 5: in the past, too many times the receivers on the
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  Speaker 5: outside have won one on ones, and I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that that's sustainable. Last season they didn't win as often
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  Speaker 5: as they had in the past, but you're seeing a
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  Speaker 5: lot of multiple tight end usage. They really have focused
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  Speaker 5: on middle of the field throws, intermediary throws, getting the
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  Speaker 5: ball out of the quarterback's hands, a lot of under
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  Speaker 5: center work for Jalen Hurts and the other quarterbacks. And
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  Speaker 5: this is so important right now.
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  Speaker 4: This is the ironing out phase because then when you
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  Speaker 4: get to training camp, that's where everything ramps up.
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  Speaker 5: And that's something to keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 4: But one thing I will say, guys, and we've been
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  Speaker 4: talking about this for seemingly three years now, the running
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  Speaker 4: backs have been a pretty big mainstay thus far in
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  Speaker 4: this offense in terms of checkdowns and things like that,
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  Speaker 4: angle routes, and so I can't help but wonder if
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  Speaker 4: that's gonna be something that they will implement in this
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  Speaker 4: offense where you have to get the ball out quickly,
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  Speaker 4: timing is so paramount for this to work that you
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  Speaker 4: want to have those built in options for your quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: So I was asked on our you know, every our
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  Speaker 1: listeners know we're on ninety seven three South Jersey every
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  Speaker 1: you know day Monday through Friday, one of us in
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  Speaker 1: football at four segments, and Mike gil the host, asked me, fellas,
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  Speaker 1: after you know, seeing reporters like yourself, Andrew and Adam
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  Speaker 1: saying that the running back was getting the ball in
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  Speaker 1: the passing game. So Mike Gill asked me, is that
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  Speaker 1: going to be more prominently featured in the offense this year?
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  Speaker 1: And I see Adam shaking his head already, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: call me September twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Eight, you know, call me week four.
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  Speaker 6: I love questions like that, Like we're not coaches, Like
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  Speaker 6: we could tell you what we say. Yeah, you could
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  Speaker 6: talk to someone with the team and they'll tell you, hey,
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  Speaker 6: you know this is probably going to be involved, but
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  Speaker 6: until you get there right.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, part of the problem with Hurts has been is
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  Speaker 2: unwilling to check the ball down.
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  Speaker 6: And also this, I know for a fact the play
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  Speaker 6: will be in during the week and you get to
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  Speaker 6: the game and I think happens it doesn't happen with it.
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  Speaker 6: It could be a checkdown, It could be an angle route,
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  Speaker 6: it could be whatever.
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  Speaker 2: You just you say, you all you could.
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  Speaker 6: Why do I frown Because I've been seeing this way
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  Speaker 6: too much since ur It has been the quarterback and
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  Speaker 6: we know the gen's got this great arm downfield. But
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  Speaker 6: you've got to be more diverse than you're in your
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  Speaker 6: passing game and your willingness to do it, your thought process.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all we're saying is what we've seen, and that's
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  Speaker 4: something that has been part throughout the spring.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of inside the numbers throws as well.
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  Speaker 6: Oh there was a Andrew. There was a big time.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if you noticed it, but there was
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  Speaker 6: a sideline throw to Wicks. It was a deep comeback.
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  Speaker 6: It hurts through the bleep out of it. I don't
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  Speaker 6: want to curse. Yeah, that was a big time. A
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  Speaker 6: deep comebacks in every every offense, every scheme. But here's
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  Speaker 6: what I liked. He was decisive and that ball came
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  Speaker 6: out like it's got like it's it's a time and throw.
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  Speaker 6: It's the receiver goes deep and he turns around, it
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  Speaker 6: comes back and that ball that that ball's got to
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  Speaker 6: be out and it was right on time. I was like,
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  Speaker 6: that was a nice design play that goes to your
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  Speaker 6: point on timing and it's a rich Jeff, as we
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  Speaker 6: sent it back to you, it's this is a rhythmic offense.
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  Speaker 6: It's got to be on time. But they've got a
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  Speaker 6: very interesting past our group. Remember submit he didn't even
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  Speaker 6: work on Wednesday, and you know you saw Hollywood Brown
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  Speaker 6: get more reps, Wick, Scott more reps. We saw Danny
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  Speaker 6: Gray get some You know that like guys you would
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  Speaker 6: not get on the field or getting on the field
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  Speaker 6: because you're you remember Makai lemoncamp practice, He didn't practice
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  Speaker 6: for weeks because of the hamstering issue, right, So they
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  Speaker 6: were taking they were taking a look at a lot
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  Speaker 6: of other guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So one thing I wanted to ask you guys,
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  Speaker 1: because I thought it was really interesting, is a I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley and Lane Johnson were surprisingly detailed in both
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  Speaker 1: of their press conferences about the wide zone that Sean
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  Speaker 1: Mannion is implementing and Chris Cooper is coaching for the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line and how it's different, but what the advantages
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  Speaker 1: of it will be when they when they get it together,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, the egos don't like to really talk
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  Speaker 1: about things that would give anybody a competitive advantage.
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  Speaker 3: But Lane was pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Forthcoming in the whole design, saying, we want to get
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  Speaker 1: the linebackers and the d tackles running side to side.
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  Speaker 1: We want to tire them out and then switch to
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  Speaker 1: sort of power football after they get tired. So we
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  Speaker 1: do know that there is the expectation at least of
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  Speaker 1: seeing a decent amount of this outside zone, wide zone,
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  Speaker 1: stretch zone, a mid zone, and there's different versions of it.
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  Speaker 1: But bottom line is offensive line moving horizontally looking for
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  Speaker 1: that one cut system, whereas for years they've run inside zone,
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  Speaker 1: power duo, everything up the middle. I'm wondering, Andrew, and
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  Speaker 1: from what you saw on Wednesday Wednesday's practice, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do you continue to see that being the most prominent
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  Speaker 1: run or is its mixed in?
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  Speaker 3: How do you guys see that all the practices.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, it's been mixed in and it hasn't been
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  Speaker 4: incredibly prominent. I would expect that to be more of
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  Speaker 4: a mainstay when you get to training camp. They're more
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  Speaker 4: so going through the installation process and establishing that foundation.
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  Speaker 4: But I think what Lane Johnson said that I found
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  Speaker 4: to be interesting is that you're stretching at front side.
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  Speaker 4: You're making the defense cover a lot of ground, but
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  Speaker 4: you're also giving the running back the ability to.
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  Speaker 5: Read backside blocks.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And Lane also said, for the first time in his career,
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  Speaker 4: he's going to have guard hill and so he said,
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  Speaker 4: if he loses one on one, because that's what he's
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  Speaker 4: been doing, you'll have the guard there.
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  Speaker 5: To help him out.
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  Speaker 4: So he said me like that was what he said
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  Speaker 4: when he after he said that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Adam and I talked about this.
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  Speaker 1: I even had a quick chat with Greg Cosell, and
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  Speaker 1: we're pretty sure what he means is because there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a heavy influence of play action passing and
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  Speaker 1: being under center.
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  Speaker 3: What looks like runs.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you've got your five offensive line, your two
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  Speaker 1: tight ends probably split, and that gives you a max.
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  Speaker 3: Protection front for a pass.
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  Speaker 1: But it starts off looking like a run flowing one
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  Speaker 1: way or flowing the other way. But then the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: keeps the ball and it becomes play action pass. But
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  Speaker 1: the blocking team starts off with the tight end on
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  Speaker 1: the play side blocking the edge right, and then the
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  Speaker 1: right tackle and right guard double. It's not really a
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  Speaker 1: double tea. It's like a reach blocking.
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  Speaker 6: Or watch Kittle watching watch the Niners play action with Purty,
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  Speaker 6: watch them raw to the right and watch title right.
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  Speaker 1: So you it starts off as like a double team
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  Speaker 1: and then it becomes a pass and then you have
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  Speaker 1: help I think for distinction purposes. If it's a third
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  Speaker 1: and seven and they're calling a drop back and Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Hurts is scanning the field, you're not gonna see the
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  Speaker 1: right guard helping Lane Johnson. That's that's not a player.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what you're going to see because Cam Jurgens
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  Speaker 1: can't handle like a big, huge guy all by himself.
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  Speaker 1: But I do, I do understand what Lane's talking, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that will be an advantage that they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to get overall, which is the perception of running the
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  Speaker 1: ball a certain way and then springing the play.
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  Speaker 3: Action pass on the defense.
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  Speaker 6: You were saying them, Yeah, No, it's uh, it's you
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  Speaker 6: have to remember a couple of things here. So you've
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  Speaker 6: got the heavy influence of mc Sean McVay, right, Seawan
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  Speaker 6: Mannion obviously uh, and then Mannion worked for Michael Matt Lafloor.
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  Speaker 6: Matt Laflora is what is Sean mcvay's offensive coordinator in
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  Speaker 6: Tron's first year in twenty seventeen as a player. And
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  Speaker 6: you've got the offensive coordinator who strictly is coming from
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  Speaker 6: the Shanahan influence, Okay, Chris Cooper Shanahan influence, and of
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  Speaker 6: course obviously Minnesota and Kevin O'Connell McVeigh. So you mix
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  Speaker 6: all this stuff, this seems could be beautiful. Like this, is
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  Speaker 6: there another team that's got so many influences. I think
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  Speaker 6: it's super cool. I think it could be really look.
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  Speaker 2: Good, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's a it's a really cool blend of
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  Speaker 1: a different bunch of philosophies, both as you're mentioning as he.
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  Speaker 3: Played, because he played for McVeigh.
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  Speaker 1: And Lafleur, as you mentioned, was his offensive coordinator when
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  Speaker 1: he played his first few years with the Rams, and
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  Speaker 1: then he went on and played under. I think Clint
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  Speaker 1: Kubiak was at one point his offensive coordinator in Minnesota,
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  Speaker 1: and so was.
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  Speaker 3: So was Gary Seattle in Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, I think Clinton was in Minnesota at
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  Speaker 1: the time that Seawan Mannon was a player in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was.
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  Speaker 1: I think Gary Kubiak was actually the assistant like head
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  Speaker 1: coach too, running offense. Remember, he came back for one
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  Speaker 1: year with the Vikings under and then stefans Key became
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  Speaker 1: the head coach and he needed help, he needed like
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  Speaker 1: a veteran guy, so he brought in Gary Cooper.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because that's where he got the mid zone. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I remember Kevin talking about that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, that's all the same kind of pattern. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder I want to what you guys think about
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  Speaker 1: tight end usage because we expect that the Eagles are
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  Speaker 1: going to continue to be among higher league average in
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  Speaker 1: twelve personnel, and maybe even more so, should be more
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  Speaker 1: so than even in the past. But which tight ends
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  Speaker 1: are getting out there right now and getting the looks.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of obviously Dallas Scott, but EJ. Jenkins
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  Speaker 4: has been getting a lot of work as well, Johnny
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  Speaker 4: Munt not so much Eli Stowers, but I did notice
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  Speaker 4: he was wearing a sleeve on his right leg. But
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying those three and Grand Kaka Terra, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: as I mentioned, didn't work today, so that that's sort
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  Speaker 4: of limited.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't seen a ton of Stone Smart.
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  Speaker 4: Cameron Latsu has worked in there as well, so I
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  Speaker 4: see a world where they carry four tight ends, and
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  Speaker 4: I think what was really emphasizes how important the blocking
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  Speaker 4: aspect is if you're a tight end in this offense,
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  Speaker 4: so that that that could sway how they look at
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously Johnny Mounts here to block, but other
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  Speaker 4: players as well.
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  Speaker 2: Just understand something.
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  Speaker 6: Just one thing to add, I wouldn't make any broad
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  Speaker 6: statements about how much twelve personnel they're going to play
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  Speaker 6: because Remember Lemon did not practice for two weeks. Smitty
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  Speaker 6: didn't practice like the media only saw, so they only
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  Speaker 6: got access to a handful of practices. Yes, Egos have
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  Speaker 6: a lot of ten ends. But they did make a
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  Speaker 6: trade for Dan Tavinwook's extended his contract. They spent a
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  Speaker 6: first round pick on Lemon. You got, Smitty, you got.
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  Speaker 6: They paid five million to Hollywood Brown, which is I
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  Speaker 6: thought it was ridiculous, but we'll see what his role is.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to have the ability to whatever the hell
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  Speaker 2: they want.
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  Speaker 6: If these if Manny is who they think he is
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  Speaker 6: and hurts, plays well, and he gets rid of the
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  Speaker 6: football in time, they could literally run is whatever groupings
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  Speaker 6: they want to run, which have enough they you can make.
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  Speaker 2: I learned this the hard way when Tyer kills to
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  Speaker 2: the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 6: Think there's no way that I know Mahomes was great.
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  Speaker 6: That he hasn't been great the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 6: but he was great. Then when the MVP back to
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  Speaker 6: back Super Bowls. If you've got a great play caller,
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  Speaker 6: you could scheme anybody. You could figure out a way.
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  Speaker 6: I learned this from talking to coaches like you, you
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  Speaker 6: do the best you can with what you've got. If
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  Speaker 6: this kid's as special as Eagles thinking is, look out,
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  Speaker 6: he'll he'll do great with this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But you got to have buy in, you got to
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  Speaker 2: have execution. It all works together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what you're saying is very important because you can
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  Speaker 1: be much more opponent specific with how you choose, Like
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  Speaker 1: if you think you can really move the ball on
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  Speaker 1: a team, if you keep it in base, you can
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  Speaker 1: play a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Twelve personnel, even thirteen Eagles have.
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  Speaker 1: If yes, if Mannion really wants to steal a little
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  Speaker 1: bit from his mentor so McVeigh, then maybe and the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles certainly have enough tight ends to play a little
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  Speaker 1: thirteen persons.
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  Speaker 2: Andrews said, they have.
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  Speaker 6: They there's a word absoluteency for tight ends. Yeah, they've got.
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  Speaker 2: They'll have five or six receivers to work with. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Lemon said, get him up to speed in training camp.
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  Speaker 2: This is not good. He missed two weeks of practice
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: like that. He's behind.
• 15:03
  Speaker 6: It's not doesn't mean he won't start week one. It's
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: just in his learning and getting used to this offense.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: He hasn't. He wasn't on the field.
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: But once he's comfortable, you get Wicks on the field,
• 15:13
  Speaker 6: you get Hollywood Brown if he's if he's as good
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: as they think he's going to be.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: On Andrew's point, you got all those tight ends, you
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: got all these receivers. Yes, they don't have a J. Brown.
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: We get that, folks, it shouldn't be quite as good.
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: But you got to understand the coaching coaching matters. It's
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: players one coaches one a. You can't have one with
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: the other to be great. You can't win without good coaching.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: You just can't.
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: It's impossible, literally impossible. You're a bunch of dumb coaches
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: who can't coach.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: You're not winning.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: I mean there's a part of the fan base since
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: you could just the players could coach, Just roll the boat,
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: let them coach and coach themselves. Like this is how
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: dumb some of football Twitter could be. Sometimes they just
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: don't understand.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: It's a you know that, Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: like you can't it.
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: But I'm so interested, Andrew who it looks beautiful. It
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: looks like it could be great. We won't know till
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: we get to the regular station for many games. But
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: it's not like they don't have talent. People, Like there's
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: no way they go through both without a J. Brown.
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: Why can't you make a run if the coaching and
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: execution is great.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, coaching execution is a big part of it. There's
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: also the continuity pieces there with DeVante Smith and Dallas Gotter,
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: and I thinks on Davante's skill set, I think this
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: system could stand.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: He could stand and benefit most.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Out of all the receivers that they have because of
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: his multifaceted skill set. But you're right, we're not gonna
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: know what this looks like, and that's why it's so important.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I find myself reemphasizing that the Eagles are so early
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: in this process, so you can't read too much into
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: it one way or the other. This is the sort
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: of the introductory phase, the onboarding phase, whatever you want
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: to call it. But you can certainly see the direction
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: that they're heading.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, someone can listen to this and
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: rip the crap out of us they want and say
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: what they want.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: I don't really care.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: But like, we're not sitting here talking about stats. We're
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: not sitting here talking about quarterback accuracy. We're not talking
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: about turnovers because we don't do that. We know what
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: mini camp is. We know that there's seven there's players.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: That are out. I mean, like, that's it's pointless for
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: us to do that here.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: So we're not going to We're just gonna talk theoretically
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: and conceptually. And I think that Adam put it in
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: a good way and he said, there's enough here for that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: If this offense really does what it's supposed to do,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: it should look really interesting right now. You know, just
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: based on what you've said Andrew, reading your stuff and
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Adam you saw today, I'm sure the offense doesn't look
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: like poetry in motion right now, but.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I don't It's funny. I might've been talking to Andrew.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I forget someone to practice on Wednesday. I'm like, Okay,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: it doesn't look very good today. Points, but I don't care.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to me.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: I don't get In fact, if they would have ripped
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: it up, I would have read into it. Oh it's
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: nice if they had a good practice, it doesn't matter.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's OTAs these are. It's folks.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: Just give you an idea. It's a lot of seven
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: on seven. Okay, it's like flag football. It looks just
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: like flag football. They're in jerseys with the T shirt
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: under it. They're wearing shorts.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: It's extremely like they cannot get physical, so they're not
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: allowed to. You just talked about.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Andrew gave you the injury list, the guys who are
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: in practicing, guys who aren't there.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: But it's a developmental face. Andrew nailed it. It's just
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: you're you're literally at the beginning.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't read into anything now that Tanner McKee
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: stuff hilarious.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about that.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Can I think it's actually very funny?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: All right? How do you think it's fun I think
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: it's weird.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: I see it different than most people because again I
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: basis song going back to two thousands, my first year
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: covering the NFL, I've seen a lot of weird stuff.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: This is really odd there. The question is not see
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: I think people are I look at it differently than
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: everybody else.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I want to know why? Why are they rotating?
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: This makes no sense to me. You know what you
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: have in Tanner McKee.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: Andy Dalton's a thirty eight year old journeyman who's near
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: the end of his career.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Like, why are you even rotating?
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Well, there's clearly any reason they're they're You don't do
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: this if you're totally happy with Tanner McKay.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be on with you.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: I know the way it works. You don't do this
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: unless there's something you're not happy with. Was it the
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Washington game, which is one game? Can't be it can't
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: be that right, Oh, you're trying to push him, Like
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: what what we outlined the people when it happened, you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: we we let people know that how he loved and
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: he don't know he liked him.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: It was between the Eagles and Dalton.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: It was between the Eagles and Panthers before he signed
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: with the Panthers at the last minute. He just made
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: a decision of family decision. He wanted to live in Charlotte, Okay,
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: but how he was always like Dalton Dulton. Dalton in
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: his day was a pretty good athlete for the for
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: the position he played under Jay.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Gruden, you know or.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: Who are the Yeah ja, yeah, Marvin Lewis's OC for
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: a while. Yeah, you know it's a West Coast system.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: But he's also thirty eight years old.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So why are you bringing it? Like? I get it,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: you need a third string quarterback now, I know a
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: lot that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: The conspiracy theory is, Oh well, if they're going to
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: trade Tanner mckith.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: They need to get Dalton reps. That's a two.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: That's a convenient excuse to I. I'm not saying it's wrong,
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: but okay, fine people, some people would throw that out there.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: But this, on the surface, it's ridiculous, Like why, I
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: think it's funny, Like why would you do this all
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: of a sudden, there's something we don't know, we're gonna
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: find out.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: We'll always find out, so we will find out. Yeah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And I've said from the start that the whole hierarchy
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because you don't normally see a third
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: string quarterback who was fifteen years in the league who
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: makes more money than the backup. But and they went
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: out and acquired him, and it could just be it's not.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: But if you wanted to overrationalize it to make it
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: make sense, you would just simply say, well, Dalton's a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: way more accomplished quarterback in his career than Tanner McKee is,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: so why wouldn't he be the number two?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: But he's right, I get I get that he's near
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: the end.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you're trying to overrationalize it, you say, well,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't Dalton be a number two. He's way more
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: accomplished than No.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: I see what you're saying, but it's what I'm saying
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: that that's not how they view it.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Teams do something.
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: They do stuff for a reason, Like, yes, most of
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: OTA's is about rotation, an experimentation. I get that that's
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: based on decades of watching this stuff. I laugh sometimes,
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: Andrew and I will laugh and we'll see a guy
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: like last summer they might have had a number four
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: guy run with the.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Ones and OTA. It's like, this guy's not even gonna
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: do an the team. What do they do? Like they're
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: just getting they want to take a look at a guy.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: That's fine, Yeah, they're just mixing a magic it's but
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: but the adult the Dualt McKee stuff, it's kind of
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: funny because they're they're they're giving the media something. If
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: you really are smart, you find out why they're doing
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: it and get to the truth, because you don't.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Teams don't do stuff on a whin. They do it
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: for a reason.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: I just find it kind of interesting and funny, like what,
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: why all the sudden is this happening now?
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: On Wednesday, it was Tanner McKee who worked with the
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: second group as Nick Sirianni mentioned about the rotating, which
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: is something that I and many have written about.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, we'll we'll see how how it
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: pans out in training camp.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: But and the practices that were open to the media,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: it was largely Andy Dollman working with the second team.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Might have been three practices, three consecutive practices.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Nick said, every Yeah, now they're not taking on and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: off and on and off, they're not alternate.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Well, three consecutive that we're open to reporters. So what
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: they're doing when we're not there now?
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Ryan, plus now are they giving Andy in one practice
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: ten reps and only ten or five?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: You'd have to be charting.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: And understand what they're trying to accomplish. But the whole
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: thing's interesting and kind of comical because there's it's just
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: not the way things ended last season. So I don't
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: know what has happened when you didn't have any games
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: or practice, what what could it possibly happen?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: One thing that I don't know, because again you're looking
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: for rational reasons for why and not trying to jump
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: gun here. But you know, if they feel like Tanner
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: McKee will eventually get Dealton training camp because there's going
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to be a quarterback that a team isn't happy with,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: or there's going to be guy who lost the injury.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: It's good to have your back up just up to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: speed and not getting no reps. But then the counter
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that would be Dalton, like as Adam mentioned and Andrew confirmed,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Dalton's played in this offense before.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: It's McKee who really needs the reps.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: But again we don't know how the reps are being
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: divided when the media isn't watching. So it's all it
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is funny now that you think about Adam, because it's
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: funny how it makes people have mind pretzels when it
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: could just be a nothing burger.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: It is interesting now, but I s's interesting. It is
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: interesting when I when I first heard about this.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: So it's like, what, like that's that's the most bizarre
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: thing I've ever heard, Like makes no sense, But just
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: talking to coaches for twenty seven years, I just know
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: they do things for a reason. They just don't throw
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: it on a whim, like there's thought, there's thought put
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: into it, Like but why I want to know the
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: why it's happened.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: It's happened.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: That's fine, it's it's whatever happens. Happened, but I want
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: to know the why behind it. Why are they doing this?
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Crazy?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And Nick Nick Sirianni didn't just come out and say
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: why when he was asked.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would just be a total give.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: But he could have. He could have shot it down.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: No, what I I think Zach Berman asked that it
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: was a zacht Literally as soon as the press conversation start,
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: he said, Hey, what who's your number two quarterback?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I think was the question.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: Now if maybe if he asked them ten minutes later,
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: he would have said, hey, we're just trying to get
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Andy reps because he's new.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: He's new to our team. I want to get him.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I want to get him some reps with the twos.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: But he didn't say that. He could have said that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: He didn't do that, right, That's why I could have
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: shot this thing down.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: He didn't do that, say anything.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: No, Yeah, I guess if I'm trying to rationalize, you
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: could look and say Tanner needs the reps right now.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: But Andy is familiar with this system, so maybe he
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: can be someone who sets an example for for what,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: for how it's supposed to look and gets the ball
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: out of his hands a little quicker and then things
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't know. It is a fascinating situation.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Andrew. I'll tell you what what you just said.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: When when Andy don't play for John Gruden, I mean
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: Jay Gruden with the Bengals.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: When Jay was the OC, he was quick draw mcgral man.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: He when he his processing, he started to really breakdown
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: his processing later in his career with Dallas and moving.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: You know, he just became a journeyman. He sometimes you
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: lose your whatever the case may be. But when he
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: was really good early in his career, before he got
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: he had that hand injury where he was.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Headed towards being an MVP candidate.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: Quick decisions bought Chad Johnson and whoever else they had.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: He got the.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Muhammed, good call by you.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Some of the tight ends he got rid of that
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: football Tyler Eifert, you remember.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Him, Marvin Marvin Jones.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Jones, good call. Yeah. They were loaded man. And he
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: was really good, listen, he was really good.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: He just could't win a playoff game.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: That was you know, that was he couldn't win the
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Prime Time. Yeah. He hit all the records on.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: The Prime Time. Yeah, there were a couple of No.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: He Andrew makes a great point. He does know that,
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: but and he also has not been here before. It
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: doesn't know these players, So there's a I have to
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: believe it's got to be more than that. Well, we're
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: gonna find out, and we'll we'll see. It's bizarre to
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: me because as much as they've loved him behind the scenes,
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: it's just odd.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Anyway, let's move on.
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  Speaker 1: an addition here. Aj Epanessa he loved.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: How do you like it?
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: He's a power defensive lineman. He's not an edge rusher.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Just about what people think. He is talking to people
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: work with him in the past. He played his entire
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: career in forty three with Sean McDermott. He was drafted
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: to be a power end, which is generally the run side.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: He's yeah, yeah, he really, As someone told me, he's
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: his six foot six, forty three defensive and he should
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: have played in thirty four, which he's going to play
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: in here now the Eagles running thirty four, he should
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: play as a seven technique.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I guess that's really what he he's got six six,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: two sixty. Yeah, he's really a longing the.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Way for people. He means he lines up over the
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: offensive tackles.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, right, he's built for it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: And I did he not fail a team's physical in
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: spring on my wrong about that and free agency?
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the Cleveland Browns that Yeah.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a little light for the three for a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: seven though he's two hundred and sixty pounds, usually.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: He might be. He see he was, but that's what Usually.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Your ends or are closer to three hundred pounds because
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: they're stoppers.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: You could be too eighty two nine, Well maybe put
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: weight on, don't know, but I'm just telling with his length.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: To draft him in the second round as the Bills
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: did the Bill.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: He got product. Listen, he got production. He actually got
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: better a than a sacker. But he's just not a
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: he's not a true edge crusher. I think people have
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: mislabeled him.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Right, but which he doesn't have great hands. I mean
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: he's strong at ioway, but.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: He's really long. He's super strong. At Panessa, he's super strong.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Well, he has a similar bill to Joe Tryon, who's
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: six foot five to sixty pounds.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: Sopes is thicker. Yeah, he looks like he looks like a.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, try On is more a customs
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: lining up like in the two point and or just
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: rushing from the edge and and.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: Try and you're just talking about weight, but this guy
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: is a this guy because remember.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: A nickel, you generally play forty three front.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Anyway, now we're not taking's gonna be on the team,
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: but we'll see in training camp how they line him
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: up because he hasn't playing the scheme before. So we're
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: we're gonna, you know, we're gonna see. Yes, uh, Buffalo
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: got production at him. It's not that he didn't do
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: well at.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Times twenty four sacks, but.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had production.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: But he's really that's not really what he is. I
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: think some people when they look at numbers, oh he's
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: he's definitely interesting. Not really if you watch his tape
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: and we'll look at his length, but.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I think he will see and then uh, Michael Jordan,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I think he's hold on. I Thinkinessa is ideally like
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you're you're at this stage of his career, you're when
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you're rushing the passer, usually a mour man.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Front, not a five man front.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So he's like three right, so he's like your interior detail.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I almost think I'd rather have him on the inside
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and use that burst like they do with Brandon and No,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: that would be great. But then they're like, wait a minute,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: you got Jordan Davis, you got Jayalen Carter.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: You gotta know, you got Moro Joe. You got to.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Remember remember coming.
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: He's coming here as a try he tried out, right,
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: He's gonna be brought in training camp. He's just got
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: to get through each week to see if he's even
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: gonna be in the roster. Yeah, we have to understand,
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: and well we'll see where he lines up in training camp.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: I just like, I like this, Andrew, and I saw
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: the tryout group. Who is the Davis guy you you
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: brought up?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Andrew to me that.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: It was Joaquin Davis from like North Carolina eighty. I
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: don't know it was. It was a small coach that James.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Courchet was there. It was a punt returner.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: By the way, the.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Eagles are not very deep in punt returner.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I know they need a really interesting signing from.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: I asked Andrew on Wednesday, I said, Andrew, who the
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: hell is their punt returner on the covey?
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: I mean you you would think that maybe they would
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: give Hollywood Brown a look there, given his speed, maybe
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: in Elijah Moork and try to carve out a role
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: for himself other than wide receiver, to try and give
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: himself a good chance to make them.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, we'll see.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: We know Cooper, we know Vic Fangil will march right
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: into Nick Siriani's office with like a weapon if he
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: tries to make Cooper to Gen the punt returner.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: That is not happening.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Vic is not allowing Cooper to Gen to be a
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: punt returner. So I don't to me, the candidates, like
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you said, are Marquise Brown and a guy and Eli
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Moore who might not make the team, and then who
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: not not too many you know.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Also, and we're way down the line here, but you
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: can also put someone like Cubby on the practice squad,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: elevate him for three weeks. Sometimes the roster has a
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: way of shaping out. By that point, a roster spot freeze.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Up Yeah, you can even keep pro proche on the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: on the a veteran on your practice squad in case
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: you need him to return punts for a couple of weeks.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Because he's been there, they have to sign him.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying if he winds
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: up making the team, because it's been decent.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: He's been a.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Journeyman wide receiver who's played for the Ravens, He's played
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: for the Browns.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: What else he played for? He played for another team too.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: He's only going to stay in league as a pumper turner.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I mean it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, great kid too. I interviewed him before the twenty
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: twenty draft.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: There you go, all right, before.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: We get out of here.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't really talked about the defense. And
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I know Andrew that just talking to you and reading
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: your stuff. I mean, requoll And has has come as
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: advertised so far. And I think you and Adam had
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the experience that I've had before sometimes with certain athletes
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: where once you actually see them, like stand next to them,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you realize how uniquely built they are.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I always talk about my.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Time where I met Flarry Fitzgerald and I was I
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: can almost like not pay attention to the conversation because
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: wide receivers aren't built like that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: It's it's just so striking.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: But what's it like seeing Rikuolan out there running as
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: fast as he does at that size?
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Adam, go ahead, this is your first shot at seeing him.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: What do you got?
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: So I happen to see him many years ago at
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: whatever game I saw him at in twenty two senior ball,
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: whatever the.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Hell he might have grown three inches since then.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I forget.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: I just remember, like, just he is as advertised. He's
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: a legit six four Now I understand smitten in practice,
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: and look that A. J. Brown's not there and not
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: that Makai Lemon movie match up on the most but again,
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: that would be fun. I don't have much out there receiver,
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: but to see him just dominate, it's just like he
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: it's funny. I was sick of It's like it reminded
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: me of a way different scale. But when Miles Garrett
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: came in here two years ago and just house the
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Eagles offensive line, it was kind of like he wasn't
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: being tested and he was like, like these guys are gnats,
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Like these these guys taken by me.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was kind of he dominated. I
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: understand it. So it's it's flight football, it's it's off
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: season practice. They mean it means nothing to me, right,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: But I only just I.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: Look at footwork, backpedal, stop and start, body type, waight,
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: just the showing things I look for.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I try to get out of going to these practices.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: He was he dominated. I know he wasn't being tested much.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: But Andrew, he's so he's a receiver because he's a
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: former receiver playing corner, and he's so much taller than
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: all their receivers. He Wix is tall. He's just under
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: six to two. He's way bigger than he is.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's kind of a bowie out there, has really
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: good ball skills. You see his ability to match carry
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: and deliver. We'll see what happens when the pads come
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: on and the competition ramps up in training camp. But
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I have to tell you, guys, there's probably not a
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: more enticing matchup for me then to watch Reek Wall
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: and go up against Kayle Lemon or Don Tavian Wicks
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: in one on ones in training camp.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: That's one ones.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: I love those, yeah, because that's when you get match
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: up with guys you probably wouldn't be an eleven on eleven.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: It just they they'll just match it. They they mix
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: and match a lot of guys. It's actually pretty cool.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: But yeah, wollen he looks the part. But let's let's
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: let's let's get to let's get to training camp. See
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: how he does.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta ask though.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Was there a play uh where Woolan was matched up
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: on like Elijah Moore and he broke up a pass.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: To him or something like that?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Is that? No? The big one is he had the pick.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: He had the pick against God or he just know that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: But somebody I thought I saw that he was up
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: against Elijah Moore, and I can't think of a worse mismatch.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, five nine Elijah Moore than they go up against
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: against six FOURK.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Wooland with the I have a foot on him.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Well, he defended Hollywood Brown pretty well last week on
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: that on that route that I was telling you guys
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: about the go ball, and Hollywood Brown's not a big
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: guy either, but it almost looked like Greek Walling gets
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: his body and sort of blocks him off and it's
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: just so tough to get around.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Nice we'll dig more than are our notebooks in the
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: future show, since we've got six weeks left until training camp.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: But I was I know it. I'm just talking about conceptually.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: As you mentioned earlier, it does look really fun. It
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: looks like it could be fun, but they got to execute.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: Guy's got to do what they're told, like they just
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: gotta they gotta listen to the coaches and and execute.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: Jalen's got to buy in. It sounds great, said all
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: the right stuff. We've been fooled before. We'll see what happens.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: But this thing has a chance to look really interesting
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: this season. I know it's we had heard things, we
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: knew about some things that were coming here when Manu
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: was hired, but you don't know until you get there.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: But my first impression is pretty damn good.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't mean a whole lot yet because.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: We're in early June, but I'm very interested to see
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: what this thing looks like, as he Andrew brought up
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: in training camp.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Very interested.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: All right, here's what's going to be coming up within
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the next days and weeks here on inside the Birds. First,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the CHECKO is going to do is to CHECKO daily
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: is going to be giving you guys more intel from
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: what went on the last two days at the camp.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: He's going to do some stock up stock down stuff
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: on his to checko dailies. We're going to have Sam
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Finkle back with us probably Friday morning. We'll have inside
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the data, which is a continuation of when we started
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: just using predictive modeling to figure out what contract extensions
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: for certain players might look like. And then Adam and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I will get back into our series next week starting
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: on continuing on to defense, where we're looking at contracts
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: at each position, what it means for each player's future.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know that that's been some really extensive
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: stuff we've been doing there.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And one more Greg Cosell is coming back.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: And Cosell, yep, go ahead, what are we doing with him?
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: So we are, well, we'll be recording it soon.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Well that's kind of a TBA and when we're gonna
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: drop it, but every uh summer as our inside the
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Bird's listeners know, and maybe we have new people who
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: haven't familiar with it, but we bring in Greg Cosel
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: them the tape breakdown guru that he is, and we
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: do an NFC East preview because all the moves have
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: now been made, all the rookies are in and all that,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and Greg gives us his tape breakdown perspective on each team.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: It's a four part series with all four division teams,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: so we got a lot of great stuff coming up
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: in the next few weeks. On inside, It's funny you
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: said all the moves are made. Well, look Washington once
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Brandon ayuk I but the moves or who the hell
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: knows what he could even do at this point. Oka,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: If we're gonna do it at Washington preview, we'll go.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and by the way, they're gonna they want it,
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Brandon and I will be there like the fifth receiver
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: or fourth receiver they played.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Football in a long time. But that's another story.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: You know what we should also do, guys, is training
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: camp stars of years past.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that might be a good Oh yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: That's July. Uh yeah yeah, or Hank Baskets of the world.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Are Greg saladmatize something?
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: Lorenzo Booker, Yeah, yeah, Lorenzo Booker, Yes, I was reminded
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: of that by someone a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: but I lived, and so did you. Jeff the Hank basket. Yeah,
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: I'm just telling you that was one of those like
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: is this real or not? And it wouldn't stop until
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: it stopped. When it stopped, it was ugly. But you
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: know Nate Brown. Until they got to train to contend,
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: Nate Brown started dropping past his Nate Brown to another one.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Lorenzo Booker for sure won the Lee Heisman Award.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: He was but he was unbelievable.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Fannie MoMA, Yeah, stop.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: That's why he did it.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: To wait.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: In ten years from now, are we gonna be who
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: is that guy you mentioned before?
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Henry Josie Brother? Nothing will be Henry Josie.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Nothing he was Davis.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in like ten years from now, when we're doing inside, Well,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: if I'm still alive, Andrew's probably gonna be running at
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: that point with two other slubs.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: But we'll be like, oh yeah, Waki Davis. Remember how
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: he ripped it up in that Training Camp.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: Practice Michael Gas person, Come on, man, hey, look man,
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: we referenced Michael Gaspers, Andrew and I practice Wednesday, and Andrew, Brent,
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: Andrew and I love as Jeff does. If folks don't know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: we love the Training Camp Superstars. You never hear from
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: him after one practice or of the summer, like they
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: either never play football game, they go to the CFL.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: But what happens is the fans get attached to a
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: training camp superstar and you literally it's like when the
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: guy gets cut, you've cut. They were part of their family.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: It's almost they're not related to the player, but they
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: get so attached to the player, like youry.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Like, how can she hear mcgride not make the team?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Right here? McBride?
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Right right?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Did he go to Delaware State?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: He did go to Delaware State, same school at Darnarian
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: mccant's another Lee Heisman.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, yeah. We better stop. This
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: is too much Shenanigans. We gotta save this for some
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: future podcasts.
• 40:24
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• 40:28
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