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Super Bowl, Kanye’s Demise and RHOBH with Kate Casey · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: I want to remind you guys I'm coming to the
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  Speaker 1: real smart girl with us. Kate Casey of.
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  Speaker 3: I'm back.
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  Speaker 1: The amazing Kate Casey has a great podcast, Reality Life
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  Speaker 1: with Kate Casey. She's been my friend for over 10 years,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even more like 12. And so, of course, we
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  Speaker 1: want to talk. Let's talk everything about it. Congrats on
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  Speaker 1: your win. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: You are a Philly girl. Yes, I am. And your
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  Speaker 1: team won.
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  Speaker 3: We won.
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  Speaker 1: Now... Yesterday when I was walking the dog, which was Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, was it Philly? Like what crazy East
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  Speaker 1: Coast team? Was there this story that haunts me about
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  Speaker 1: once or twice a quarter? And that is a fan
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  Speaker 1: getting so excited that the team won that he went
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  Speaker 1: and ate– The shit from the police horses. And so
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  Speaker 1: during the game, the party I was at, which everybody
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  Speaker 1: was a Philly fan. Oh, good. And I just wore
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  Speaker 1: my items that I had from when I was Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Swift two Halloweens ago.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's confusing.
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  Speaker 1: Halloween and a half ago, whatever, last year. And so
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, there'll be people rooting for the Chiefs, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I have a shirt. Go Taylor's boyfriend. And I got
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  Speaker 1: there and I was like, oh, my God, I hope.
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  Speaker 1: But then they thought it was OK because that's since
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  Speaker 1: I was like mocking him. They were like, I go, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm mocking him. It's fine. Like, I'm not really for
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  Speaker 1: the Chiefs. And but I pulled that up and I
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  Speaker 1: started to show the Philly people. And I go, do
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  Speaker 1: you remember this story? And nobody did. Oh, really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But they were like, it was 2018.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you have to know that 2018, we had gone
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  Speaker 3: decades without winning.
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  Speaker 1: That requires some people to eat.
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  Speaker 3: We were in tears. We were out of our minds.
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  Speaker 3: We couldn't believe it. So that doesn't shock me at all.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard any more accounts of horse poo eating
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  Speaker 1: this time.
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  Speaker 3: But a lot of crazy- A lot of crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Riot type of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You know how you have your own algorithm? Everything in
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  Speaker 3: my algorithm is like eagles, eagles, eagles. So I live
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  Speaker 3: in my own bubble where I think about them all
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  Speaker 3: the time, but it wasn't until I went to Canada
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  Speaker 3: like three weeks ago, my son was wearing an Eagle
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  Speaker 3: sweatshirt and there were so many people that were coming
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  Speaker 3: up to him and saying things. And that was the
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  Speaker 3: first time I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Like pro Eagles or not for the Eagles. Like then
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  Speaker 1: you realize it was like a cool thing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. I think everyone's for us. Yeah. Like
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  Speaker 3: they're really for us. And then I really started to
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  Speaker 3: feel it certainly in the last couple of days, but. Well,
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  Speaker 3: they killed it. Killed it.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, Taylor was not, uh, Did she not come out
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  Speaker 1: in the halftime show? I never thought that. Well, did
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  Speaker 1: you see the moment where she got booed? She got
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  Speaker 1: booed and she seemed surprised, which I think they were
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  Speaker 1: just like, I don't think they were booing her. It
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  Speaker 1: was just more like they're stupid and they're booing that
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  Speaker 1: she's obviously a Chiefs fan and her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about Travis showing up in his
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  Speaker 1: like 1970s like fancy outfit? Like the Saturday Night Live suit.
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  Speaker 3: My friend Chris said he looked like Ron Burgundy. I
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  Speaker 3: felt like Ron Burgundy if he was a pimp. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit like that.
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  Speaker 1: He.
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  Speaker 3: When he left the game and he went into the
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  Speaker 3: suite with her.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And the way he looked like just a complete zombie,
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  Speaker 3: like surprised. It reminded me of A Real Housewife, how
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  Speaker 3: they think they killed it. And then the season starts
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  Speaker 3: to air. And then they're like, wait a minute. The
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  Speaker 3: audience is totally against me. I felt like that was
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  Speaker 3: like the kind of the outlook. Like they couldn't believe
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  Speaker 3: they lost.
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  Speaker 1: They couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 3: They couldn't believe it. And everybody was for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: And they lost by so much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Okay, so let's talk about... Oh, Giselle had her baby.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a boy, right?
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  Speaker 1: A boy named River.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, that's on that track.
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  Speaker 1: She moved on. And then Kendrick Lamar did his routine,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and... His routine. He did his performance. And
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  Speaker 1: I know, you know, they're not like us. Like, I
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  Speaker 1: know those songs. You know, I was thoroughly entertained. But
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  Speaker 1: not till I woke up at one in the morning
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  Speaker 1: did I realize, oh... Actually, this wasn't patriotic. This was
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  Speaker 1: not like I was like, oh, look how nice it is.
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  Speaker 1: Like because I'm hearing I'm just seeing like red, white
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  Speaker 1: and blue and Uncle Sam, Samuel Jackson. So I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's cool that everyone's becoming like way more, you know,
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  Speaker 1: go America. And then when I read all the stuff,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it was like really kind of. The
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  Speaker 1: whole point is that it was like it was very
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  Speaker 1: negative towards.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, patriotism to me is. celebrating American values,
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  Speaker 3: which is free speech. And he did win a Pulitzer
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  Speaker 3: Prize in 2018. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it was really cool to go and look at how,
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  Speaker 1: because then I was like on TikTok and I was
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  Speaker 1: seeing how everyone went through all the symbolism and everything
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  Speaker 1: that it meant and just what a lyrical genius he
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  Speaker 1: is and all of that, which I always think is
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  Speaker 1: really cool with hip hop. Like there was a class
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  Speaker 1: that you could take at my son's.
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  Speaker 3: High school.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool. That was like hip hop.
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  Speaker 3: Lyricism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And history and just sort of the same way we
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  Speaker 1: would dissect like Shakespearean plays.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And where the language felt so different from today, but
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  Speaker 1: you could like figure, oh, they're actually talking about this, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So that was really cool. But then there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of talk of like the songs were not popular
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  Speaker 1: enough for the general public because we normally get like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're comparing it to like Dr. Dre
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  Speaker 1: or which had that hip side.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But then also everybody knew it from like 65 to 10.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone knew those songs.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I presume part of that is that it's really
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  Speaker 3: difficult to get people to want to perform, which sounds
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  Speaker 3: crazy because it's the highest honor in music, really, to
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  Speaker 3: be asked to do the Super Bowl. But you don't
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  Speaker 3: get paid well. Right. Like $ 600 or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like $ 1, 000 a day scale union. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Weeknd actually used a lot of his own money
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  Speaker 3: for the performance. So you have that and also the pressure.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, for example, Saturday Night Live, if you
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  Speaker 3: and I were asked to be hosts, we would be like, duh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But a lot of performers freak out and they're like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to do live TV. So I think
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  Speaker 3: the pressure that comes with performing that a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people don't want to do it. Yeah. You don't want
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  Speaker 3: to be like repeat. You know, so.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I thought, I mean, I thought it was a great.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the dancing was so good.
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  Speaker 1: At the time I didn't realize that the thing with
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  Speaker 1: the PlayStation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I missed all that because I'm like at a party
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  Speaker 1: and people are talking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be hard.
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  Speaker 1: But like I enjoyed it. I thought it did great.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was cool. But I didn't really understand
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  Speaker 1: what was going on until like I, you know, read
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  Speaker 1: about it after.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes that's fun though because I found out only a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the nuances between himself and Drake. And, like,
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  Speaker 3: the Serena Williams part. My friend Chris explained this to me.
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  Speaker 1: Serena used to date Drake.
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  Speaker 3: But he went crazy because she broke it off, and
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  Speaker 3: he was obsessed with her, and he would diss her
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  Speaker 3: and her husband.
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  Speaker 1: In his music? Drake would?
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  Speaker 3: Like, anywhere. He's, like, one of those people who is
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  Speaker 3: all emotion and really gets wound up when a girl, like,
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  Speaker 3: breaks it off. And, like, he has a whole history
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  Speaker 3: with Rihanna, for example. And, like, Rihanna and Serena Williams are, like,
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  Speaker 3: I have my own thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then he has a whole history with the girl,
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  Speaker 1: Millie Brown.
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  Speaker 3: Millie Bobby Brown.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They were just really good friends. She was 13. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Talking about being in the biz together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They were just talking on the phone a lot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My friend Chris told me that apparently he has a
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  Speaker 3: room in his house with Chanel bags for the wife
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  Speaker 3: that he doesn't have yet.
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  Speaker 1: What do you.
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  Speaker 3: Think about that? Isn't that weird? You know how we
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  Speaker 3: say it's like the small things that say so much
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  Speaker 3: about somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also that's like a move every girl you date.
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  Speaker 1: Like I remember I dated this really rich guy when
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  Speaker 1: I was a senior at USC. And he went on
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  Speaker 1: to marry a girl who has a fabulous life. But whatever.
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  Speaker 1: He was very rich. And he was like 40. But
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  Speaker 1: I went on a date with him. I met him
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  Speaker 1: at Trader Vic's one night. And on the first date,
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  Speaker 1: like I drove to the house. It was in the Palisades.
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  Speaker 1: Probably not there anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And like each door was like, you know, several thousand pounds.
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  Speaker 1: I'd never experienced that. There was a couple that worked
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  Speaker 1: there together, you know, like a man and woman, like butler.
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  Speaker 3: Like a manager, like a house manager.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I loved it. But anyway, we came into the
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  Speaker 1: house and then we went to the woman's closet where
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  Speaker 1: there was like the first section and everything. And he
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  Speaker 1: was like, do you think you could fill this one day?
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's like a move. like on the
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  Speaker 1: first date with my husband Peter he's like talking about
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: his work and he used to travel a lot for
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  Speaker 1: work and he goes I like to fly first class
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: do you like to fly first class And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I've never been in first class.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, well, buckle up, girl.
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  Speaker 1: And actually, we did go in first class for our honeymoon.
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  Speaker 3: But I had never.
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  Speaker 1: But it was one of those like stupid drop those. No,
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  Speaker 1: like someone's going to be like, actually, no, I enjoy
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  Speaker 1: like a middle seat. Like, no. So I think he's
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  Speaker 1: probably doing that because he can. And he knows that
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  Speaker 1: it just if the girls weren't going to sleep with
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  Speaker 1: him before going over like they would. And then but
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: the whole a minor thing in the necklace. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like savage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That because he took out the word pedophile because
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  Speaker 1: I guess Drake was going to sue him or is
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  Speaker 1: suing him because he has that word about Drake in
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  Speaker 1: one of his songs. Yeah. And but then he still
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  Speaker 1: kept it. enough about what he thinks and then other
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  Speaker 1: people are like oh my god let it go move
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  Speaker 1: on you know keep Drake's name out of your mouth
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  Speaker 1: but most people are like loving all of it I
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  Speaker 1: mean if you were part of it like the reaction
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  Speaker 1: of people that had been following their but I but
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  Speaker 1: I still was like why do they hate each other
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  Speaker 1: so I looked and I looked and I looked and
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  Speaker 1: I guess at one time Drake said that Kendrick Lamar
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  Speaker 1: himself and somebody else are the top three rappers and
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  Speaker 1: then Kendrick Lamar is like, no, I am. I'm the top.
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  Speaker 1: And that was how the fight started. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably getting it completely wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's like what we obsess about with reality shows.
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  Speaker 3: It's like all the little nuances. But I think at
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  Speaker 3: the core of it, it probably gets under Drake's skin
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  Speaker 3: that Kendrick is kind of what he wishes he could be.
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  Speaker 3: The lyricist and has the personal story. that makes sense
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  Speaker 3: to be the rapper.
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  Speaker 1: Right. He's from Compton. The storyteller. Drake, who's from Canada
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  Speaker 1: and was a child star.
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  Speaker 3: And like was super wealthy.
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  Speaker 1: So. Right. And he was on the little kid show.
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  Speaker 3: Degrassi.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think he has an imposter syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: Drake.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I met Drake at a Kardashian Christmas party and
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  Speaker 1: he was a total delight. Was he? And took a
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  Speaker 1: photo with my Drake and Brandon.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, why was that not your holiday card?
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  Speaker 1: Um, You know, I have given it to the boys.
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  Speaker 1: So they have it to use when they need cred.
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  Speaker 1: But they're very little in the photo. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know. But I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: found it interesting. And then just like anything else, they
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  Speaker 1: know that it's exciting. But then all like the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: game over, turn off the TV, you know, get ready
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  Speaker 1: for the revolution, all that kind of stuff is cool.
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  Speaker 1: But I think a lot of they went over most
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  Speaker 1: people's heads, including my own.
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  Speaker 3: And it's kind of fun, though, in the aftermath of it.
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  Speaker 3: It was fun. I think we live in an Easter
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  Speaker 3: egg time.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Taylor Swift does that all the time, too. And I
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  Speaker 3: think it's fun in the day after putting all the
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  Speaker 3: puzzle pieces together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that was cool. This girl, Jordan Hudson, the
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: 24-year-old dating 72-year-old Bill Belichick, supposedly she has an engagement
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: ring on. Okay. She was in the Dunkin' Donuts commercial
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  Speaker 1: with Ben Affleck standing next to her boyfriend. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: she is 100% getting everything she needs to out of this.
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  Speaker 3: Why has someone not pitched a reality show about these two?
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  Speaker 1: Well, she will probably say yes and he'll probably go
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  Speaker 1: along with it.
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  Speaker 3: He'll go along with it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he's like, I don't care. Like, she
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  Speaker 1: is into me. It's fun. I've got, you know, 15
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  Speaker 1: years left on this earth. This is who I want
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  Speaker 1: to hang with. I don't care what anyone says. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: whether she was 24 or 40, who the fuck cares?
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  Speaker 1: He's not dating a 70 year old. That's that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Even if he was dating a 50 year old, people
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't make a big deal about it. But still, that's
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  Speaker 1: 22 years difference. If he was dating a 50 year
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  Speaker 1: old woman, that is still a huge age difference. So
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  Speaker 1: once you get to like 40, 50 years, who cares?
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  Speaker 3: I also think now that he's coaching at UNC and
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  Speaker 3: he's around all these college kids and he's recruiting lacrosse players,
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  Speaker 3: like he's got the young girlfriend, this may add a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years onto his life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right? Why not?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But then you're her friend and you're like, can
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  Speaker 1: Bill like bring over his players and not his contemporaries?
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  Speaker 1: Because I don't want to hang with those grossies. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Then the Kanye commercial. Did you see the Kanye commercial?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I did. Tell me.
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  Speaker 1: So he, all of a sudden, the middle of the Superbowl,
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  Speaker 1: Kanye pops up and he says, it's an iPhone video
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  Speaker 1: of himself. And he goes, I spent all my money
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  Speaker 1: to buy this commercial and to show you my new
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: teeth and whatever. They just look like weird. He looks
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: like a New Jersey house husband, a real house husband
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  Speaker 1: in New Jersey, but worse. Anyway, who knows what they were.
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  Speaker 1: And then it just goes Yeezy.com.
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  Speaker 3: That's all he said?
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Yes. But then what I found out this morning. Oh.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: is when the people that clicked on it, there's only
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: one item for sale. Oh, no.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: The Nazi symbol on a white T-shirt.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: Why are we giving this guy any ounce of attention?
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: This is the last thing we need right now.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Why are not people more outraged and not talking about it?
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, well, I see why, because we
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: don't want to give him any attention. But then I
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: feel like we have to say something because it's so
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: gross and got so out of hand and he was
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: ranting all weekend with the most horrific stuff that he
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: was saying about some of the things he was saying
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: he was like asking Trump to free Diddy saying his
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: friends are not sticking up for him he was then
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Diddy's attorneys came out and blasted him then he was
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: talking about Bianca he did end up finally they kicked
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: him off of X finally Elon or somebody was like
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Or enough people wrote. I think David Schwimmer was writing stuff.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: I think I saw that.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: And finally, or he voluntarily left. He was gone as of,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: you know, Monday morning. One of the other things he
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: said about his wife. Here's a tweet. I have dominion
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: over my wife. Well, I don't even know what that means.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Dominating.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Is that a version of dominating?
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: I think he's trying to say I have control over
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: my wife.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: This ain't no woke as feminist shit. She's a billionaire.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Why would she listen to any of you dumb ass
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: broke people? I guess bitches. People say the red carpet
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: look was her decision. Yes, I don't make her do nothing.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: She doesn't want to, but she definitely wouldn't have been
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: able to do it without my approval. You stupid ass
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: woke pawns. I have no respect or empathy for anyone
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: living because no one living can F with me. But
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I do love some people and I give them a favor.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: By the way, shame on all those media outlets that
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: posted those pictures.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: She's clearly– I posted it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: She's clearly a woman who's being controlled.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: That's public humiliation.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I did.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Is that bad?
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Yes. That's public humiliation of a woman.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I don't– okay. Well, then I'm sorry. But I mean,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. When it happened, the night of the Grammys,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: and I even talked about it with Chris. I go,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised like they're letting me put this on Instagram.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I know. They're all complicit. But I did it.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: So are you mad at me?
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Not mad, mad, but I just don't think all the
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: media outlets should stop posting pictures of it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I'll remove it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I feel badly for her.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Let me phone.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I really am.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Hold on. You know what? She's got to leave now, though.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: She needs to leave.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, now if you don't leave, then you're just as
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: bad as him.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that. I think it's really hard when
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: a woman's being controlled.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So now here's my next thing. Okay. You know, I've
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: talked about this, like, Kim, my God. I don't think
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: there is a worse person to co-parent with in the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: world right now that's a celebrity besides Kanye. And I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: know she's in a hard position because her kids, I'm sure,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: want to see their dad. And I'm sure North is,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you know, she's now a momager to North, and North
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: definitely has her own mind at 13. But if I
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: was Kim.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: If I was Kim, this would be it. I would
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: be doing ex parte in court, changing whatever custody arrangement
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: we have. I agree with you. And I'd be like,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: my kids cannot be around him.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: No.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: You know, look at what he's saying. And even if
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: he doesn't really feel this way about Jewish people, he's
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: at the verge of like, he could just kill them all.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Nannies are not, security guards are not. Like, I'm not
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: letting my kids be around this person that is that.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And I'd be like, I'm sorry, North, if you're mad
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: at me for it. Like your dad is insane. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: if you can't explain to your kid why you can't
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: be around someone that is saying this stuff. And I
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: don't care. You could someone go, well, it's for PR.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: It's publicity. He's selling a shirt.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I know. It's despicable. So it's like.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: It's disgusting and not enough people are enraged about it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: And it's shocking. Well, that's the problem with people like
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: that because they say it so often people sort of
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: become numb to it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: And then again, I get it. We don't want to
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: give him attention. I understand that aspect of it too.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: But and maybe if you're friends with the Kardashians, they're like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: please don't talk about it. You know, it's not like
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Khloe's going to talk about this on her podcast. I mean,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I get it. But like I am because
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: this is just disgusting. And as a mom, I'd be like, oh,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: my kids are not going to be around you. Like
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I said, with security guards or not, you're not going
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: to see him until he gets evaluated. And if anything,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: he's like, I have been evaluated. And this is the
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: way I feel. Whoops. People do feel that way and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean they're crazy. There are hateful, awful people
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and he might just be a hateful, awful person.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Well, also you see him psychologically destroying a woman. in
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: front of us, let alone what he must do to
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: his own kids in privacy. This is what he does
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: publicly to a woman. Think about what he would do
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: behind closed doors.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: So that was awful.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: This was kind of interesting just for fun. She had
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: these pants on That someone caught, which are these shorts
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that got a little hole in the front for a strap-on.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And she was wearing them out.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Because he likes to humiliate her.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He likes that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Probably, but why would he?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: He likes that. I mean, Amber Rose said that he
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: liked it in a tweet a long time ago.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: She did? Yeah, that's fine.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I guess a lot of guys like that with girls
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: to be wearing strap-ons.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Well, we know he has a history of telling the
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: women that he's with what to wear. He likes to
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: control even all aspects of their life, including what they
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: can wear in public.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Right. Even with the Julia Fox, when she talked about
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that one month with him. Kris Jenner is selling her $ 13. 5
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: million home. This is the black and white Florida home
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that then she left and Rob has been living in
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: for like the last like eight years.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, he has been.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Oh. And so she's selling that. And so I watched
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the Hulu episode. latest episode of The Kardashians. This is
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the premiere episode. I have not really watched it since
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: they've been on Hulu. Oh, really? And I just was like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I was looking around and it popped up
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: on Hulu. I'm like, I'm going to watch it. And
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: in the episode, Khloe goes over to Malika's house, her friend,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and they arrange for Lamar, her ex-husband, to come over
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: because she has some of his old stuff. And Obviously
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: they paid him to make this appearance and obviously he
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: needs the money to do it. So she gets over there.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: You said you watched it too. And she says, I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: haven't seen him in nine years. So when, so they
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: were divorced already when he went to the brothel in
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Vegas and basically died and they brought him back to life.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: He was on so many drugs and had a heart
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: or stroke, whatever. They, you know, the family gathered around.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: They took care of him in the hospital. They found
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: another house in Calabasas. They got custom furniture made because
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: he's so tall. Took care of him and everything. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: she was kept coming over. And then she says in
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the show, and then one day I came over and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: he was doing stuff he shouldn't be doing. I assume
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: she means drugs. Yeah. So that's when she like kicked
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: him out. Hasn't seen him in nine years. I was
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: under the impression that he like was owning rehabs and stuff.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Or maybe he was the face of rehabs recently.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like that. Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know when this was filmed, but it felt
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: like that's maybe not what he's doing right now.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: So was that in an attempt to do some sort
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: of brand crossover?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Like maximize marketing opportunities? No, they don't talk about the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: rehab or anything. It seemed like he was kind of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: fucked up, to be honest. So he comes over. He's
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: profusely sweating. And she's like, what? Are you going to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: talk this low? Like, we're filming a show here. And
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I remember when they had the Chloe Lamar show.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And it had to be all in subtitles because you couldn't.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: He was a mumbler and you couldn't understand him. And
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: so I'm watching it with Peter and we went to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the wedding all those years ago after they'd only dated
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: for 30 days and got married, got married at the
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Azov's house, Irving Azov's house.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Was everybody around you like, wait, what's going on? What's
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: happening here?
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed crazy, but it felt like.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: She was like so in love with him. Here's the thing.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: It's all part of the mom. Like one thing about Chris,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and I remember thinking this, but I remember the first
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: time I met her and I was like, wait a minute.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Kim got married to this guy, Damon, who had four
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: kids when she was 18, secretly in Las Vegas. Like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you were going insane. And she was like, well, you know, I...
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: You know, no, I was going to be there for like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I guess she didn't say this, but I guess she
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: figured I'm going to be there when they break up. Like,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: so if I condemn her now and it's already done.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: So I get that. It was already done. And then
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: she did break away. But in this particular one, I
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: feel like. From what I remember, Chloe really hadn't had
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: like a real boyfriend and he was so into her.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And he was it was like the height of the Lakers.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: They had the show. I truly believe they were like
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: in love. And there's couples that get married that quickly
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and everything. But here's what I'm going to say in
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: watching this interaction. Regardless if he had ever taken a
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: drug or cheated on her and they were married for
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: now 15 years and had two teenage kids, they'd be
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: divorced today.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Because she... Was 24 and he was this basketball player
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and it was sexy and it was fun. But he's
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: still stuck in that time. He's still stuck in that time.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: He shows up wearing a shirt with himself on it
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and she's embarrassed. She's like, oh, you're wearing yourself on
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a shirt. And then she's like, can you speak up?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And she's like annoyed and not attracted at all. Like
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: purposely wore like jeans because he was always like rubbing
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: her legs and stuff like I remember. And so she
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't even want to like show my
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: legs or have them think that I'm like at all.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And yeah, like if they were together like any other couple,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: she would have completely outgrown him. She, you know, is
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a businesswoman. She's really smart. She's very likable, you know, and,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you know, huge with the American, good American gene company.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Everything else she's done.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And also a mom.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Also a mom.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: She's like thinking about her own daughter. Like, why? What
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: am I doing here with this person who doesn't represent
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: who I am now?
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know, not that she needed him
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to have done drugs or almost died, but sometimes you
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: got to be grateful for someone treating you so badly
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that you could walk away. Because if he didn't do
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: all those awful things, if he, like I said, never
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: cheated on you, You know, and they were lamb, lamb,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and she's got that loyalty. She probably would be in
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a marriage with a guy that she totally does not respect,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: is annoyed by, and thinks is dumb.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I think that's why everyone likes her so much is
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: that they just want her to win so much.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm like she should seriously be grateful that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: he showed himself so quickly on before she had his kid.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And everything else, because then she probably would have given
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: him a million extra chances because he's the dad and da-da-da-da,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: or she would have been doing all that stuff for
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: his family.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: You know, it would be interesting to hear her give
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: advice to, like, Paige DeSorbo.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Because, like— People are so in arms about Paige and
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Craig breaking up and the reason they must have.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here we got Paige, and let's jump to that. Paige,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: of course, we've talked about. She's from Summer House. He's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: from Southern Charm. We talked about their breakup. He went
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: on Watch What Happens Live recently, and I thought it
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: was really great because he shared, yeah, she did break
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: up with me. And then I did do an interview
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: a couple of days after she broke up with me,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: but we weren't public and I didn't know if we
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: possibly could get back together. So I played along that
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: we weren't broken up, but that seemed to irritate her.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So he was responding to a podcast that she did
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: where she's like, I didn't cheat and you knew we
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: were broken up and you still acted like we didn't.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So now he has to respond to that. But the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: thing that he said, I watched what happens live, which
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: was really good. And he's like, Am I supposed to
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: defend what people are saying like on Reddit?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Like I was very– you know, he was very classy
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: when they broke up. He's been classy this whole time.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know if there was something else going on.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: She's gone up and down and said it hasn't been.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: There's somebody named Joe people think she's seeing or saw.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Who cares? They're broken up. They had a nice three-year
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: relationship that didn't last forever. They're both likeable.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you and I kind of agree on this,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: that sometimes there's a person that's great to date, but
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: not to marry.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: And it's easy to get married. It's hard to get divorced.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: So I feel like Chloe would say, count this as
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: a blessing that you guys were able to figure out
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: this now and save each other the headache. Because I
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: think he ultimately wants to get married and have kids.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: And she didn't feel like it was the right time
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and place or whatever. It's a blessing in the end.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Because it leads them to the person they're supposed to
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: be with.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And she probably was like, why am I resisting this?
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: There's a reason why. You know, it's like when someone,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like when you're dating a bunch of people.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I remember when I asked my sister when she was
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: dating her husband and then they got, you know, engaged
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm like, well, how do you know he's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the one? Like we've dated, we both have dated so
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: many people. And she's like, because it's easy. Like I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: didn't have to think about one thing. I didn't have
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to think about if he was into me. I didn't
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: have to think if I was into him. I didn't
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: have to think.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: True.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Will he make a good husband? Are we going to
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: have a night? Like I just didn't have it. There
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: was no, you know, and that's why where I think
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it was like. And then also you have, you know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: it's hard when you're a public figure, a couple that's
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: like loved like them.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: So you have all the people cheering them on and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: all the people like can't wait for it. And I
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: think she really did have fun and liked him and everything.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: You can't stay with somebody because you don't want to
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: disappoint other people.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: You can't. You've got to live for your– I think
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: they should make her the bachelorette because they put the
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: bachelorette on hold for another year. And I think it's
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: because Gen Trans season was so bad.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't even hear about it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Exactly. So they usually go off the success of the
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: last season to propel the new one. They should make
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Paige the new bachelorette because then you could have Hannah
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Berner and all of her friends kind of come and participate.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: It would help that show grow. but they should give
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Craig a spinoff on Bravo. dating show. And I think
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: the women would come out of the woodwork to want
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: to date him.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: The only thing about having Paige on is that she's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: just– I'm never going to believe that she's into any
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: guy that would go on The Bachelor.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: But that would be so funny. We're not thinking she's
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: going to marry somebody. I'm just saying entertaining TV– like
• 29:59
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  Speaker 1: It should just be a show.
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  Speaker 3: The good people at The Bachelor don't think those relationships
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  Speaker 3: TV show. So I think that would be entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: But I was thinking for her own brand, she can't.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't want to be inauthentic to her people.
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  Speaker 3: So it has to.
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  Speaker 3: A guy that I— It would be a two-year commitment, too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so today... After recording this, this is not out,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: but apparently Justin Baldoni did a podcast where there's a
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: clip and he gets very emotional. It's called like The
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Two Gents or something. I've never heard of it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Gents Talk.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Jen's talk. I thought it was like.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Breaking news.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I thought he agreed to give his one and only
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: interview to probably this guy either he gave Justin a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: kidney we don't know about.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Or at one time they were lovers.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Because I'm like, who is... You're not going to go...
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: To like Joe Rogan, you're not going to go to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: like something where everyone's going to hear your side in
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: like a half a second. We're going to have to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: search it out. But you told me it's your understanding
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that this was recorded a while ago.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: November of last year.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: So he alludes to- Before the lawsuit.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Before the lawsuit.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: But after the trauma.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Before the lawsuit and the complaint, but alludes to.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: But after the bad PR and all that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Anxiety, a very difficult year. So at this point, everyone's
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: looking for any social media clip. And I don't know
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: why that show didn't put the interview out in November
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: of 2024? That to me is a big question.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe they were just like, yeah, like I know I
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: would have been like the minute, but maybe that's, that's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the lesson to people. Like maybe wait till it even
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: gets bigger to plop it. Um, you know, uh, I mean,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I think about that. What is the part that he's
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: crying about? It's just like, you know, his dog died.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even like had anything to do with like,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: You know, I was treated so badly on this last
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: project I did or whatever. So AI found this. This
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: is what they're saying. This is from truthorlie.ai or whatever.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: So this is a video of Blake doing another interview.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: There's so many coming up. And she says that the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: rooftop scene was written 90% by Ryan Reynolds and And
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I totally believe that with the crypto bro line and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the laughing and all this other stuff. Because she felt
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that her character wouldn't have fallen for this gorgeous... Neurosurgeon.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Neurosurgeon that looks perfect while you're.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Hanging out on a... Or something like she would have...
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: That her character, Lily Bloom, would have noticed red flags earlier?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Or would have busted his balls? No. Like, anyway. So
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: she says that it was him. So I'm like, okay,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: so now.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You know, now we know like Taylor has all these
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: reports had come out before the Super Bowl that she
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: didn't invite Blake and Ryan to the Super Bowl. But
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: also that she's like annoyed. And why are you bragging
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: me into this weird thing? I'd be pissed too.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I think she just thought it was like, you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: she had this fun friend. It's fun to have a
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: famous friend. They probably had some chuckles and laughs. For her,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: it was cool to be around. Like she probably loved
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Deadpool as well. Thought he was funny. Came over and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, my God, how cool that I'm seeing
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: this script before. Yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Like what?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: She's basically saying, yeah, it's Ryan. And we know how
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Ryan writes stuff and everything. We know that then at
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the same time the movie was even done, he decided
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to add this whole nice pool character, which was making
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: fun of Justin. Can you imagine? There's so many clips
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: of her telling on herself that it's unbelievable.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine he gets rights to the movie in 2019?
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: You work all of those years. This is your project.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: You're like, this is my launch pad to something. And
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: then to have someone rewrite, redo things, it's just like
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: slipping through your fingers. It's like quicksand, right? Like you
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: thought you had something and then it's just disappearing in
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: front of you.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, you know, I mean, listen, if the trial
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't go on, you know.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I actually, I'm starting to think the trial will happen.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I know there's a 92% chance of settlement, but. Right.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: At this point, where so many people are invested in
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: the story, you have to have both sides to agree
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: to settlement. And at this point... I don't know.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: It's weird that we don't have all the stories in
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the clips of people being like, I worked with Justin
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and he's a nightmare.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I still feel like.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: So where are those?
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I wish we could fast forward to the end of
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: it all because we don't have all of the discovery,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: you know? So it's hard really to say who wins
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: at this point. But at this point, in terms of
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: a PR war, it does feel like he's winning.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: And they're... Two aspects of it that I find really interesting,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: obviously the power dynamic. I think a lot of people
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: can relate to that in a place of business where
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: you may have to placate someone because there's a difference
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: in power. But the other part of it is, and
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: you totally relate to this, is how traditional PR has
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: changed in an internet era. Like the internet is almost
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: like a destruction machine. And you have old school publicists
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: who used to represent maybe a couple A-listers who could
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: make a call to a traditional media company and say,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: kill this story or do a softball interview, and then
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I'll give you access to my other client. And they
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: need content, so they're a little bit more willing to placate.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: But now everyone in the comments has their own social
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: media channels.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: So Mary816 on TikTok is like, I don't give a
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: shit who you are, publicist. I'm going to say what
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I want because my opinion is getting attention. And the
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: more controversial opinion that you have on in the Internet,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: the more virality you have. So that to me is
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: what's really interesting, too, is the power shift in traditional
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: media versus the social media era. Yeah, totally.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And, you know, and just like she got wrapped up
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: in like, you know, this vengefulness to go after her
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and Ryan, to go after Justin, because she felt there
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: was whatever, a campaign against her, or she was reading
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the hate pages about herself. And we've all been there.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: And it is, it gets in your head. And that
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: same thing happened with like Paige and Craig, you know,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: they were reading their own weird stuff of people saying,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and she, Paige was probably like, I didn't cheat. And then,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like, well, why aren't you defending, why
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: aren't you standing up, Craig, and saying, hey, she didn't cheat?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And he's like, who's saying this story? Some random, like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: blind item that then had, you know, 300 comments under it?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And I've been there, too, where someone's like, you need
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to stand up and be like, settle down, juicy scoopers.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I'm not drawing attention to something
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: that's not significant. There's no proof to it. There's nothing,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you know, it isn't attributable. trial. It's not. It's just
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the talk. But when you're in it, it can be consuming.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: It can be really hard. And it really is important
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: that when someone is in that place, that they really
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: just put away their phone for a couple of weeks.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I think in a lot of cases, the best crisis
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: PR advice you can give to a client is to
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: play the short game is to just disappear for a while.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: But for somebody who is an actor who is getting,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: feeds off, you know, the attention from their work and
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: their personality, that's near.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Impossible for them. You know, Stassi did it really well.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: She did do it well.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Because, because she went away for a little bit and
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: then she was pregnant and just walking around and she's
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: with her husband or maybe they weren't married yet, but
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: they were together and she's pregnant and, It just it
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: showed like, wait a minute, like we we love this girl.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: She's giving us entertainment now. She's finally becoming a mom.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: But it also offered her the opportunity to have some
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: introspection and to have a moment and recalibrate and think
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: about where she wanted to move her career. And didn't
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: she write books after that?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she really had a like she really
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: had a great comeback from what that time of like
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: quick to cancel people was, you know, that 2020 time.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: But like in this, now because you've put out this
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: lawsuit that anyone now can talk about, you chose to
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: do it this way thinking that they would either just
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: crush him or he'd skittle away or whatever. And he didn't.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: And now all of your personal text messages, emails, personal
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: communication is all fair game.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And I think we've all been there in this business
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: where people are like, you should sue. You should sue
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: for defamation. And there's times where you're like, yeah, fuck
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: this motherfucker. And then you think about it and you're like, okay,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: wait a minute. What does that really look like? What
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: would that really gain for me?
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: You're going to spend so much money on these lawsuits.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And where is this going to keep me up at night? Yes.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Is this going to be creatively debilitating for me? Yes.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: So it's better sometimes to lick your wounds and just
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: shut the fuck up and go away.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It'll also be interesting to see the two different worlds,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: like the implications for them in the public spotlight, but
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: also within the entertainment industry.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Like how many people who have positions of power in
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: the entertainment industry want to work with either of them?
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: The other thing I saw someone talk about is how
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: like millennial couples, them being one of them, and they
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: were kind of leaders of it, would like talk about
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: like how they like hate their spouses or hate their kids.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Like he has all these like tweets and funny jokes about.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I think he's just odd that way.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Of like, you know, you know, not liking his wife. Yeah,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: like his kids or she said, you know, he'd leave
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: me in a burning building or whatever.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, in other words, if they
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: weren't famous and you saw those comments, you'd be like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: what a weirdo.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: They just get into this thing where she, again, I
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: just don't think she's anywhere to the level that like
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Scarlett Johansson was as far as like intellectually stimulating.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Also, by doing all this, it almost opens the door
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: for people to start. picking away at their marriage dynamics
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: and whether or not there are control issues. So that's
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the decision that unfortunately some people make in the pursuit
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: of a lawsuit, that there's this other aftermath that comes
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's possible. She could now
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: just go to him, have them go and be like,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: what can we do? Because it's like there's too much
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: pain that has been caused.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: It's like if right away she was like, OK, I'm
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: taking it back or whatever. But now there's too much
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: that he'd be like, no, because now he only has
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: something to gain. He already lost the three jobs. He
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: already got dumped by William Morse. Now he is producing
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Scarlett Johansson's first directorial debut. Now the work is going
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to start to come. Everybody's like now he's the underdog
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to settle. Like now it's like, go for it. Now
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: everyone is like, no, he's a really nice guy. And
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: this was like absolutely awful. So, meanwhile, Blake Lively and
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Anna Kendrick. When does this movie, A Simple Favor 2,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: come out?
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to watch it, so I don't know.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I guess she didn't die in it. I guess it
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: was like her twin sister that died or something. I
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what the movie's about.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, I loved the movie because she played like a
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: bitch in it. It was just perfect. And they have
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: weird moments on the couches doing interviews, too. Every interview
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that– Blake Lively does is weird. But they're saying they
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: don't have any beef. They're good. And I'm like, of course,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Anna Kendrick's going to be.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Like, we don't have any beef. they got to promote
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: the movie. Yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: And like, again, don't drag me into your bullshit. You know,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: what do you think? They said that Jenny Slate, who
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: plays Justin's sister in the movie and her best friend,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: it ends with us, that she would be called for
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to be deposed from both sides because originally right off
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the bat, she was team Blake. Now she's probably like, God, keep.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Me out of this. I mean, without question. She's like,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: this is a nightmare.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I chose the wrong side.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I chose the wrong movie to work on.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: My friend Hillary Shepard has the funniest term. Actresses that
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: basically play themselves in every role are self-actresses. Is that it?
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I feel like Blake is like that. Like the roles
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: that she really nails are the ones where that's mostly her.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: That's why she says in those clips like, I weave
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: myself into it. It's like, you're actually cast for roles
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: that probably you're much like.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And I think all the weird choices for the clothes
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: was her trying not to be herself. So she was like,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: oh my God, that's great. Like this funky kind of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: dressing with the two pants and all that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Tell them about the pantyhose thing you told me in
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: the pajamas.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. So, okay. So after the first night that
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: they like, spend the night together. I don't know if
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: they bone or just whatever, but she comes out wearing
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: pajamas and that's when the sister discovers that they hung
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: out together, whatever. She's wearing pajamas and someone discovered that
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: she has her black fishnets on under the silky pajamas
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: after spending the night with Justin Baldoni's character for the
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: first time. So in the movie, she's wearing fishnets with
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: these $ 2, 700 Yves Saint Laurent fishnet diamond boots. Stupid. That
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: she wears to the party. And so that means either
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: they messed around with the fishnets on and then she
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: put on pajamas and slept with fishnets and pajamas on.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Or as you said, or you're just a lazy actress.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: You're a lazy actress and also that the wardrobe person
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: at that point had checked out and wasn't looking at
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: like a consistency moment like that.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Like, wait, wait, wait.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: You know, remember this is, you know, there's always this
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: stuff that happens when you, like, film the other scene.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: They have to check and make sure, like, the hair
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: is exactly the same or, like, your collar was out,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: not in. And then there was, like, We took a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: class at SC where we would like figure out, oh
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: my God, that's an edit mistake. Look, they went back
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and now the sheet's off her boom. Now it's on,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: like all this weird stuff. And you see it in
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: reality shows too. And that's when you know, or like
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the nail, like you know they actually went back and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: redid a whole scene when you see that like the
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: nail polish is a different color or a whole nail
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: is chipped or something. Yeah. That's when you're like, oh,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: they redid that. You know, they had them come.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: And show up.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: That made me laugh when you said that. Or you're
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: just like a lazy actress.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just lazy. You're like, well, I don't feel
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: like taking these off and I'm just going to keep
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: these on because we just filmed the other scene with
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the fishnets on. So, yeah, very weird shit like that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: This was interesting. This is from the first degree TikTokers
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: or maybe they have a show.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: But they brought up.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: She's so pretty, that actress.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: This girl, Marina Baccarin. She was in the latest Deadpool.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And there was a blind item saying that they were
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: not getting along a while back.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: And she was not part of the press. And she
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: was on the red carpet like by herself.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Let's get her on the horn.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And so something happened there where– Maybe, you know, he
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: either didn't like her or maybe Blake was jealous of
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: that and it was a tit for tat. Like, she's
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: not going to be part of it or who knows?
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Who knows why this rumor and if it's in fact true.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: We haven't heard from her. I don't know. But I
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: would like someone to delve more into it. But the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: first degree girls figured it out first. But here it is. Yeah.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: What happened there? What was her experience and why wasn't
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: she involved? a bigger part of like doing press with him.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: And that's awful too. With Ryan. And I, by the way, again,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I feel like people relate to that in all kinds
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: of businesses that you're in. Like when somebody has more
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: power than you and you feel like you can't say
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: your honest opinion because it's going to create a situation
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: where you're not hired for a new job.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, especially as a woman, you never want to
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: be perceived as difficult, like difficult. Like I remember I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: was doing a, um, I was doing a show at
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a comedy store in San Diego. And there was a
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: comedy condo. And I was with my friend who was
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: opening for me. And it was the condo. It was
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: like the middle part. And then we each had our
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: own bedrooms. And we said goodnight. And she was going
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to leave early in the morning. And I went to bed.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And then I heard the front door open and shut.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I know she hasn't left
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: yet because it's like 1.30 p.m. like, that's weird. And
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I just remember like God like said to me, just
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: stay quiet. Just stay quiet. And so I did. And
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I just told myself she must have just been checking
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: her suitcase or something in the hallway. And I just
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: told myself that. I didn't call out to her or anything.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: So the next morning I wake up and she's gone
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: and flying back to Denver. And I start driving and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I go, oh, did you make it there? Yes. And
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: she goes, the weirdest thing happened last night. She goes,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like someone came in our condo. And I go,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: that wasn't you opening the front door? And she's like, no.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: And so we talked about it. And I'm like, we
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: thought somebody at the club maybe. They didn't change the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: combo because they're supposed to do it every week, like
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: an Airbnb or whatever. And maybe they thought we weren't
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: staying there and they could stay there for the night
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: or maybe something more sinister was going on. on this
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: person's mind, I don't know. And then of course my
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: mind went to a whole different way of like, oh
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: my God, what if I had come out? I'm like,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and you heard me being killed, would you have jumped
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: out the window of yours? I thought of all the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: crazy shit because I would have been like, what the
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: hell are you doing? And then the guy freaks out
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: thinking I'm gonna get him fired at the comedy.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Club or whatever.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: So I think about it and at the time, This
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: is only like a few years ago. I was so
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: conscious of like not being difficult as a female, as
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: a female comic, you know, whatever. So I finally tell,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I look and I see that another girl is headlining
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: in like two weeks. And I'm like, I got to
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: say something. I see that maybe it was Taylor Tomlinson
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: that was coming. And so I told my agent and
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: he was like, Heather, my God, no, you have to
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: tell me this, you know. And, but it was like,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I just was like, again, you know, you I'd had
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: things like happen, like where I knew that sometimes I
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: didn't get asked back because someone was like.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, she was annoying.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: She asked too much that, you know, like it was like.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, you're like, can I have a water?
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like there was this one thing that we did
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: in Vegas that a lot of female comics did. And
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: part of the package was like, you could have, go
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: to the nightclub and do all this stuff. And so
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I took advantage of all that, but that meant people coming,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: following us, seating us there and all that stuff. And
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: then I found out that other female comics were doing
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the gig by themselves and going up to the room
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: and going to sleep. And I was like, that person
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: is a much easier person to deal with though. You
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like, The girl that came alone
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: that was like, no, I don't need you. I don't
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: need security to take me to the club. And I
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: don't need all of this. And I don't need you
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to call into the club and say, save me my table.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: And so then I was like, oh, my God. I
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: wonder if, like, those people talk and somehow– and you
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: never know.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Like, you never know.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: So it gets in your head. And so now you're
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: this actress and you get a feel that maybe, like,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Ryan doesn't like you or whatever. And you just are like,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I'll just do whatever I'm supposed to do.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: God forbid she's in the same agency and she– complains, like,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: does she lose representation because she says something?
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of ripple effects.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I know. And it's no way to prove it because
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: it's like, if you do speak up and complain or something,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh my God, I'm so glad that you
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: shared this. You absolutely could. But then they're also like,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: And if your agent is a man, too, it's like
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: when you would tell your, you know, male high school teacher,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: can I go to the bathroom? I have my period.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: And they're like, like, sometimes guys just don't want to
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: hear anything that's like. Anything least but uncomfortable. And then
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: also we're into a legal thing. If there's any kind of,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: you know, harassment, sexual harassment, abuse of powers, anything like that.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Also, the sad realization, I think, that we're all kind
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: of realizing is that it really is about how high
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: someone is in the food chain. Oh, my God.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I just remember another awful story. When I was working
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: on Keenan Everway and it's my first writing job.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: It was hard. It was my first writing job and
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I wasn't really getting the vibe of like what I
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be doing or whatever. And the agents
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: were these young agents and they were like so excited
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: to be like, we got this 27-year-old writer like a
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: real writer's guild job. So I guess they were like
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: trying to like prove that they had some power. So anyway,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I think I was like having a hard time getting along.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I felt like I just like, you know, entered a
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: new school or something and I just was like a dork.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: And so they showed up to like talk to the–
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the producer ahead of the writers to kind of be like,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: you know, Heather's not comfortable or whatever. And I remember
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: one of the male writers who became my friend and
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: we worked on other projects, came in and was like
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: screaming at me and was like, you're fucking with our
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: fucking livelihood and stuff. And I'm like, I didn't even
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: mean to complain. They were just asking me how it
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: was going and I was stupid enough to be honest.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I feel awkward or, you know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: they got mad at me for this one thing. They
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: thought I like, you know, whatever. And I was just
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: like a bag of nerves. I was like, this is.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, now these people hate me
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: because I spoke up and I look like this little
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: like annoying person and who's not even really contributing that
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: much to begin with because I'm like, don't understand how
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: this works. Yeah. It's really hard.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Or if you are working at a company and you
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: want a promotion or you want more, you know, to
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: be paid better, any sort of thing like that, you
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: can get a reputation as being too needy or difficult.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's hard, but sometimes you have to decide when
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: you're going to shut the fuck up. Or sometimes you
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: have to let them. I just wanted to talk about
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Mel Robbins for a minute because she is everywhere. And
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, who is this Mel
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Robbins woman? So... She has a very successful book and
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: podcast and now tour and every motivational speaker. And this
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: whole let them thing is like, hey, if you find
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: all your friends had a beautiful luncheon without you, let them.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Let them have that great luncheon. Yeah. Now, I know
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: people are going to probably correct me. This is what
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I've gathered from it. I have not read the book.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: But like the minute you stop trying to control those
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: around you's behavior, then you can gain control of like whatever.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Makes sense.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: But the let them, the let them. And so I
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: see that she's, you know, going on tour. And I'm like, oh,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: my God, what if like a bunch of women are
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: like calling each other and they're like, hey, let's go see,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: you know, her on tour. And then no one gets
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: back to the person. And then they go to the
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: show and they see a bunch of their friends. all
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: planned and went, and they're like, oh, I guess I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: gotta let you guys just exclude me. Like, if everybody
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: planned a trip and didn't include you, let them, even
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: though it's coming to see me. Like, I was like, okay,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: with that, But I looked up some things about her.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: So she was a lawyer.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: And then she had a syndicated radio show that didn't go.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: But now this podcast is huge, which I love. So
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: that was canceled. And then she did her own thing. And,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you're on this path and you do
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: it for many years and then it pops. And it
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: seems like her philosophy and everything has popped. And people
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: really like that she's talking about mental health the way
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: she's doing it. And, you know, she's like my age.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's all great.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: But anyway, we were researching. She has said she has
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: an open marriage.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, really?
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: So that's the ultimate let them. If they want to
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: fuck someone else, let them.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: You can't control.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: If I want to fuck someone else, let me. So
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, of course you should. If your
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: whole philosophy is like, let them, of course you should.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be shocked that you have an open marriage
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: because you've got to let everybody be and do what
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: they want.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Her kids are all, I think, older now, too. They're
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: in college.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the first or the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: second husband or what.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's the first, but they're probably in an age,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: and I think they do work with her sometimes.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Where, like, your kids... You could have conversations like that.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: And again, I did not read the book. I don't
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: listen to the thing. Everyone relax. I think she's very successful.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I know she's bringing a lot of joy to a
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: lot of people. But I'm just– those were just some
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: of the things that I keep seeing in my feed,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: a million let thems, let thems.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Let them, let them.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well, now this sort of makes sense.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: And then also there was a woman that also wrote
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: a poem called Let Them. Oh, really? Now, there might
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: also be a moment where she gave that woman credit,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: but she was getting some criticism for that.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: I think people like her because, and I followed her
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: before she had a podcast.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Like, she's not, she's just pretty natural looking. And she
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: just puts things into, like, short clips that seem complex,
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: but she just simplifies it, so... I think that that's
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: why she's really taken off.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she covered a whole self-help book. Right. Like
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you could just watch a couple clips. Like she covers everything.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I just saw one that she was like, hey, to
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: the 20-somethings, your friends are going to scatter. Like you
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: were all really close in college and now you're not.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: And it is what it is.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: And again, she goes, they might have a party and
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: not invite you. I'm like, my God. You're like, why
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: do you keep shoving it in my face and no
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: one wants to invite me to anything? Like just when
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I thought I felt good about something.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: There were a lot of Super Bowl parties I didn't
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: get invited to.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Did you still get upset about stuff like that?
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Not like I did like a year ago.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, like 10 years ago, I think you would
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: have taken things a lot more personal.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. It's it's only recent I thought and it
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: was before I let them no it's only been really
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: recent that I finally am like I I mean yeah
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: really recent that I that I'm not overly bothered yeah
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: um now I kind of get a kick out of
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: it and I don't care that's good and like I
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: had several people that I'm talking to on the phone
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: who was like okay well I'm having people over for
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: um Super Bowl um But, you know, I'm so happy,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: whatever we were talking about, I shared some news. And
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, cool. And they didn't say,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: by the way, it's really small or I'm not going
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: to bite you. They just said it. And I was like...
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Let them. I didn't care because I already was invited
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: to one.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: And I only needed to be invited to one. I
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: needed to be invited to 17 and figure it out.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: But in the old days, you would have had to
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: map out how you can get to each one and
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: stop in.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: So that's good. Right.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: And also, yeah, with age, you don't care. But yeah,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: that philosophy does help. But at the same time, just
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: like the classic, he's not that into you.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I think you also have to be honest. If these
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: friends aren't reaching out and they're not including you, it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: could also be that they're not that into you or
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: they don't feel the same as they did five years
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: ago or you're not part of the inner group or
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: you haven't reached out enough. You haven't reached out enough
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: and therefore you're not part of this text exchange.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Or do you just sometimes as you get older, you
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: have less in common?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of people have a lot of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: shit going on as you get older. Job, taking care
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: of elderly parents, kids in school.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I think the only way to get over friends not
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: including you is if you're screwing someone that you like
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: or you're, you know, have a good marriage and you're
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: happy with your marriage. Okay. Or you have like gotten
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: to a level of success that you didn't have back
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: when they were inviting you. And that's the only way
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: it's not going to hurt.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: I've never been the kind of person that gets upset
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: if I'm not invited. I don't know. Well, I mean.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: It's hard because you wouldn't have known it. It was
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: very easy to keep it a secret.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: You know, it used to be you wouldn't know.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it used to be you passed out the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: invitations in the classroom and not everybody got one. I mean,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: that was my first of not being invited was my
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: friend Carrie's birthday. And we both brought out invitations the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: same day and I invited her to mine and she
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: did not invite me to hers. And we both invited
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: like the same other eight girls. And then I remember
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: the mom called my mom and I heard my mom going, yeah,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I see we have an issue and sure, we'll move
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: ours the following week. And then she came and was like,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I forgot this at home. Oh. And so I'm like,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: I guess that's why I'm triggered by the non-vite because
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: it's like I remember it so– and I remember feeling
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: bad for her. Like I knew she had like a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: good heart, but she just didn't want me at her party.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I wasn't her top eight. Like she just– I wasn't
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: top of mind or whatever. Then they made it that
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: if you give out invitations at the class, you've got
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: to invite everybody.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: That's not what they do.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: And if you don't, then you've got to call them
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: and you've got to be quiet about it. And now
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I would say, you know, and also don't post if
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: you don't want to hurt feelings.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: You know what they also do in schools now in elementary?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: The teachers will say things like, we don't have best friends.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Remember when I could be like, you are my best friend.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: They just kind of dissuade that.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's good.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: It's good.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's really weird when adults talk.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, I do too.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I do too.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: I hate that.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: A lot of adult women will say my best friend
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, that is weird. Yeah.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: But they also don't, we don't do sleepovers either. That's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: like gone.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million TikToks that don't ever have
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: a sleepover.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: They just don't. It's like a common thing. All parents
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: were just like collectively like, yeah, we get it.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's too risky.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's too risky. It's also annoying.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: It's annoying, but it's also too risky that somebody might
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: be at the house, but also you hosting it, your
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: kids might sneak out. They might, somebody might accuse you
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: of something. It's like the same thing of like, you know,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: any kind of, you don't want to be alone with
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: a kid that's not yours in any activity. Like I
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: remember when my son was in like the Cub Scouts,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: that was all taught. But like, even if you're on
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: a trail and you're, All of a sudden, you're walking
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: on the trail with just a kid that's not yours.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to, like, stop and call another person. Like,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: a doctor– like, a gynecologist has to have a nurse there. Like,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: you do not, for any reason, to protect yourself, want
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: to be alone with a kid that's not yours.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: And I– thank the documentary filmmakers of the world over
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: the last 10 years who have like enlightened us on
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: a number of things. But that is absolutely one of them.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Totally. Okay. Real Housewife, Beverly Hills. We'll let them. Sutton
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: decided to only invite to meet her delightful mother. Right.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Sutton invited Erica and.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. She invited Kyle.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, wait.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Kyle, right.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: And Garcelle.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Kyle and Garcelle. Yeah.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: That was it.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: you know, look, we all know these things are, you know,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: let's split up the group and then you guys. And
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: this episode was really good for a couple of reasons.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, I loved it.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: We got to see her mom, who is an odd
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: bird that, you know, one of the things I thought
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: was really interesting is we know that Sutton is divorced
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: from a very successful man and she gets $ 330, 000 a
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: month or something. But I guess financially they were taking
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: care of Of Sutton's mom. And once they got divorced
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: right away, she's like, well, who's going to take care
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: of me? Which is the sign of a narcissistic mother, correct? Yes.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: There are two things going on here. You can't ask,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: you can't expect someone without introspection to suddenly gain some
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: when they're older.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: 80, yeah.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: It just is not going to happen.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: But also the way that Sutton kept saying, People say
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: I'm like my mother, but I'm just not. And I
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: feel like that happens so much with mothers and daughters
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: where you believe you are the watered down version or
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: you are the watered down version of your mother. But
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: you all of the things that you did, like can't
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: stand about your parent, you sort of disconnect yourself from.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: But the when the minute you go back to being
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: around your parent, you go back to the same roles
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: that you had in your house and. You can see
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: yourself as a mirror, right? So in the scene, she's like,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I'm nothing like my mom. But I'm like, you are
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: absolutely like your mother, just like the Heather Dubrow scenes
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: with her mom. And she was so defensive about anything
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: having to do with her mother. But I'm like, I
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: can see the similarities. And by the way, that's not
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: dissimilar to everybody and their relationship with their mother.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: I love a housewife that takes us back to meet
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: the mother because origin stories tell us so much.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: And also, I mean, she is like the mom. She is.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: When Dorit was spilling her soul out saying that Jagger said,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: are you guys divorced? And she's saying, you know, and
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: then I said to Jagger, no, mommy and daddy still
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: love each other very much. You know what? I just
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: have to tell you that it's a long ride to Oxnard.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure your voice is very good, but Sutton,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: name them. So we need to get going. And it
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: was like.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: How about the scene with Teddy? The first season. Do
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: that one.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: When she was like, you're boring.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Wait.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: Well, frankly, Teddy, I thought you were, I thought, oh God,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: you're going to be boring.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: That is just like her mother.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Just unfiltered.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: No filter. And you wonder like all of it together.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: What is it? You know? Yeah. But it's also really
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: sad to see because it's so opposite of what I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: have of like a mom that like, you know, just
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: thought I was the greatest.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: So it makes you sad.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: It makes me sad to see that for whatever reason,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: if it was Southern, if it was a personality, if
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: it was because she married this really rich guy and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: she thought she was stupid to not have made it work.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Like maybe the mom was like, I don't care how
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: mean he was to you. Like you should have, you know,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: in her mind, maybe the mom was like to Sutton.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: You failed because you let this fabulous guy get away.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: She's also generational.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: She's regional. The man has all the power. The respect
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: goes to the man. She's like, I built this store.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: I've raised three successful children. I still don't get the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: respect from you. But she really seems to respect the
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: ex-husband more. Yes. Which is twisted.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: And then we had a great scene happening at a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: dinner at Kathy Hilton's house. Oh, yeah. With Dorit.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Talking about PK and how– and I think we've all
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: been there too with a girlfriend that's a little bit
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: in denial.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: And Erica Jane, who has just been so great to watch,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: just being like that girl that's been through some shit.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: She's the girl buckle up. Yeah, that's like really– but
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: it's really like a girl's girl too, like giving good advice.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: not at all making it about herself.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Erica was not always a girl's girl. No, she wasn't.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: I feel like she's leaned into it way more.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I think when she was- She must not.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Have ever been around women. I'm not kidding you. I know.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I think she was playing a role for 20 years
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: that wasn't really her. And she was, again, I'm probably
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: like Sutton's mom. If she had Erica, she's probably like, yeah,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I'm in this incredible thing. Yeah, he's kind of a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: dick to me. Yes, I don't want to screw him anymore. Yes,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: he cheats on me, but I don't care because I
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to screw him anymore. But I get to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: do all these cool things. And now he lets me
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: go be this diva with all my gay besties.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: And I think her mom was a little difficult too.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm just going to keep my mouth shut.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Now she's the real girl that she is. Been on
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: the show for seven years. Has her own thing going.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe she feels safer.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's just a complete, like her life was
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: really turned upside down and now she sees it and
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, he's trying to, you know, divorce you
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: before the 10 years so that he doesn't have to pay,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: you know, alimony for the rest of his life.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Isn't it weird that didn't even occur to her, Dorit?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: It probably did.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Like, Eric is the first person to bring that to
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: our attention?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I think all... I mean, it could have been that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: it did, and then the producers were like, bring that
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: up at the dinner.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Now, Carlos King thinks that this is all not real. Like, this... What?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Tell me this.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: Dorit and PK, like, he thinks that they're pretending.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: No way. Because if they were pretending, it would not
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: be this shocking.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: Is it shocking, though?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: So, okay, let me... Now, let's explore this. So... What
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: has she said that can't be taken back? She said
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: that he was a terrible father.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: That would be a hard thing to take back.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. So that's why I don't think it's true. Because
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: if you were in cahoots, then you would have some–
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: she would be saying, no, he is a great dad
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: and he always calls. But now he's not into hanging
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: out together, the four of us. And in the beginning
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: of the separation, he was. Like, okay, so that's what
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: we would be hearing, I think. if they were really
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: in cahoots and there was a plan for them to
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: get back together. They're never going to get back together.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: They're going to get divorced. That's my prediction. And this
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: is real because you're right. She would not have said, actually,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: you know what? He's not a great dad.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you walk that back. And I
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: know because I know.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: People that in the beginning, then they do, you know,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: they say, no, it's going to be good and everything.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: And then they're like, no, like, He fucking missed his
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: flight to see his daughter this weekend. He's not into it.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: He's over it. He's not a good fucking dad. And
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: they will say it now. But in the beginning it
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, let's– and they still might be
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: good to their kid as far as– but then even
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: then eventually they'll be like, yeah, your dad's new wife
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: was his secretary. You were four. Figure it out. Like
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: it eventually comes all out. It just takes some time.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: And so, no, I think– And I think she's pissed
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: because she's like, oh, my God, I covered up with
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: my parents. I covered up with the kids. I covered
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: up with your alcoholism. I covered up with that DUI.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: I covered up with the fact that we weren't having sex.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: I acted like we were super in love. I did
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: it all because that was what we decided to present
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: on the show. And now you want to go.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: The show complicates it because– I feel badly when they
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: go through a divorce because the one person is the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: platform of the TV show.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: And then you're looking for a storyline and the storyline
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: always like fell on his birthday or her birthday or whatever.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: So they're like, great, we'll plan a big ass party.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: The finals. Oh, good. The producers.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, good.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: So now the party has to be a beautiful toast
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: that we all see. But if it wasn't filmed. They
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: may have not even celebrated the birthday. And probably she
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been compelled to, like, do that. We don't know.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: But one thing, too, though.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was really funny.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like, is the Easter egg with Kyle when she's like, Dorit,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: I just don't even know who you are. I'm like,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: is that because she's like, all of a sudden you're
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: not happy in your marriage? Where did that come from?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: I think she's just going along with the fact that, like,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: you know, look, everyone's going to change in 10 years. Between,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: you know, 36 and 46, but also... No, she changed
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: from last year. Oh, just from last year.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Last year.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: She was like, of course everyone's different.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, we have a great marriage at the reunion. Like,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: things have never been better. Because I think she was
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: still hopeful, and now that she's not, it's like.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Possible. Possible. The gloves are off, and she's like, fuck it,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I'm done, like, lying and everything. Or are they like.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: And she said she didn't want... You're not going to
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: be on this show if you continue to be like
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: a mouse.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Well, she said in her interview with Alex Baskin... She
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: did not want to come back on the show because
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: it was all of this. What she's going through with
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: him was hurtful. And he, PK, was like, you have to.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: You have to because it's your job and you need
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: to make money.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: You need to make money. But we've seen that happen
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: with a lot of husbands who are like, get a
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: job because we're getting a divorce. You need to make
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: some money.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: I think that Nikki was also just. But then on
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: top of it, if we're going to rip off all
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: the Band-Aids and like, yeah, now we're talking shit about
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: each other, which we never did before. So now it's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: like 10 years of like stuff that we held back
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: that maybe another reality show couple would have shared. And
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: then if they did break up, we wouldn't be totally,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: you know, as surprised. But because it was such a,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: you know, yes, hello, Jagger and Phoenix as she's getting
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: her glam done.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: Do you know any mom that talks like that?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, my love.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, dear. I am around a lot of moms, and
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: none of them talk like that. They're like, get your soccer. Crap.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: But she's not doing all that stuff, so it's like–
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: It's just so odd to me. But, I mean, the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: kids seem to be, you know, really great and everything.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: And I think– yeah, I think it's like– and I
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: just think she was, like, fine, like, not having a
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: romantic marriage– And so now she's also like pissed that,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: you know, and so now she's like, oh, fuck you.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Like you were gone for 73 days.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Like being on a reality show, how could you maintain
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: a romantic relationship with your spouse? I feel like it
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: drains them. It sucks them all dry.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: I forgot there were certain housewives. I want to think
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: it was maybe Countess and also– Lisa Vanderpump, maybe not.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But there were a couple that I've
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: interviewed that said that right from the start, they're like,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: you can never film in my bedroom.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: Well, that's good.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: But that's not Doreen. They're always getting glam in the bedroom.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: They're always like a lot of, you know, not that
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: it's sacred, but I'm just saying. There's certain things like that.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: I'm talking more about a marriage, the romance. Like how
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: do you keep that flame lit when you're on a
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: reality show?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: What about when Kathy Hilton goes 56?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Although I do think they're in love.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Who's in love?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: I do think Kathy and Rick Hilton are in love.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: And I think she's right. I think there's real romance there.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: I think there's a real friendship there too. There's a
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: real companionship that they're so– I don't want to say
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: codependent because I always feel it's a negative, but really
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: a team, like really together, like we're each other's dates,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: we're each other's best friend, like whatever. I don't want
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: to like necessarily, like we're happy to hang and we're
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: happy just to go to dinner with the two of us.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: We don't have to invite another couple. We still have
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: plenty to talk about. We still have a good time.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the truth, you know, whether it's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: because they did get married so young and they don't
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: really know any different or whatever. But When she's like,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: first of all, I thought PK was 56 when I
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: met him. That was so funny because, you know, when
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: I said that they were 20 years apart on my show,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: I said Dorit and PK are 20 years apart. This
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: was like a year ago and maybe there was some
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: talk of them separating. He DMed me and he's like,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: we are eight and a half years apart. And I go, oh.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: And at the time he goes, I'm 56. And she's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: 47 or something. And I go– or 48. And I
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay. Well, she just looks a lot younger.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: I was shocked.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like he– but I think she– I don't think
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: he looks necessarily older than 56. I think exactly what
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Kathy said. I think he looked 56 10 years ago.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: And he looks that now.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: Well, also the dynamic of the marriage has always seemed
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: like he's more a.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Big age difference. And also having kids.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: Eternal or something. He has older kids. Yeah.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: But, you know, the way the contract is, he's not
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: getting paid, right? Yeah. Unless he wants to work out
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: his own deal. Salt Lake City ended. Any thoughts? I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: don't know. I guess they're all coming back.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: I'd hate to be Bronwyn going home to Todd after
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: the reunion. I feel like they have a lot to
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: work out. Well, Todd and I, you know what?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: We will work it out. What a lot of people
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: don't realize is we're not just about costumes and coffee cups.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: We're not. He is the funniest person that I've ever met.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: He.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely adores me and gives me jewels. And he loves Gwendolyn. And,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: you know, he wanted me to do this show. And
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: what you guys don't understand is that we have sex
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: anytime he wants it.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. So she'll definitely come back with a
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: different house because I feel like too many people were like,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: there are a lot of dogs defecating on the floor
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: and the furniture is weird.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, she's weird and the furniture is
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: weird and whatever, but you know, she's definitely got to
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: come back. And, uh, But it must be really weird
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: when you are like Elisa Barlow and you like get
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: this little twat on the show.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure there are lots of fights about it.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: And that's why she's like, I am done inviting my
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: friends to be on this show. I've literally cast every
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: single person and you guys have fucked me over so badly.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, she's right.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: They have.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Right? They finally have. And I get it because she's like,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I had to talk to her on the phone all
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: the time and Angie had to talk to her all
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, because she brought him on the show
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: and she's a phone talker and then You know, but
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: then they get to feel their own oats and they're like,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I am not going to kiss your feet for the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: rest of my life for getting me on this show.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: I'm the fan favorite. People love me. I've had great
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: one liners. But then in her defense, she's like, oh,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: my God, why did I ever suggest that they pick you?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: Because I think a lot of them just figure this
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: person's not going to become a star. Like they're just
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: going to be a friend of they're going to fall
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: flat because most of them have personalities where they believe
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: that they're a celebrity from the time they're born.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: So they assume no one else has the charisma that
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: they do. So I think they're actually like shocked when
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: the audience really kind of loves any of the people
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: that they recommend.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: But they are. That's a good show. They're fun.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't know if they're necessarily
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: recommending as in the casting directors are scrolling through their
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: Instagram feed to see somebody in the background. And then
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: they look through who they follow and they're contacting people
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: like they probably. go through and see who each person
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: follows and then kind of poke around. Oh, this person
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: is in Salt Lake City. Hey, would you be interested
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: in talking to me?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Imagine if you have a good friend, like you're on
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: The Housewives, you know. Yeah. And like I'm on The Housewives. Yes.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: And you're my friend. And I just kind of like
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: you being my friend. Yeah. I don't want you to
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: be on it.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Just be on the side.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: But you have a badass house and, you know, like whatever.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: You're pretty crazy. And, you know, it's like and you
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: go out to dinner and you're like, OK, well, let's
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: take a photo, you know. And and then you're like
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: tagging me and you're like, why don't you share it?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Why don't you share it on your stories? Yeah. And
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I forgot. I forgot to share. Like just trying to
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: keep any friends secret.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: Or conversely, what about I'm your friend and you're on
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: the show. And then next thing you know, I'm saying, oh,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: I'm just like I'm going to film something on the show.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: And then I show up to the party with like
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: fur on, huge diamond earrings. And I'm an exaggerated version
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: of the person that you know.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: You call Melissa Gorga on Teresa.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: And you're like, what the fuck, Kate? What are you doing?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: I could see that happening, by the way. And then
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: I open my phone and I.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: See that you're with all my castmates and you didn't
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: invite me. And then I have to go, let them.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: Let them.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Let them.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't know any of these people.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't be on this show if it wasn't for me.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: But let them.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: Go.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Go have fun.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, you're.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: You decided to take everyone on a private jet to.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Go to your- Wearing matching trucker hats that say mermaids.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Go. Yeah. Have fun. And I'm like, Kate, I can't
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: believe you guys are filming Real Housewives this weekend without me. Like,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: what the hell? Like, I'm just not going to be
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: part of this trip for the next three days. And
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: then you have to just be like, well, you upset
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: me when you didn't acknowledge my dog the other day. Right, right, right, right.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: You barely looked- Muffin in the eyes.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: That's why I think Heather got so mad when she
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: was an invite to Palm Springs. She's like, girl, where, like, huh?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: I've been here from the beginning.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I'm here from the beginning. I'm a good fucking time. Yeah.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: And like, I didn't even do anything. I still never got,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like that was, that could have been a
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: move by the, who knows why they wanted to exclude her.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: It made no sense. I still don't even know.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: I don't get it.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Why half the fights were the fights or whatever. Do
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: you think New York is coming back?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It'll just be different. I don't know. They'll change.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: New York, all those people.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the crying.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: Rebecca Minkoff swinging a mask.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: And she's just like, whatever, I'm leaving.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: Brynn should not be on the show anymore. By the way,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: she should have been on a different show. That kind
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: of didn't make sense from the beginning.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm curious to see where she kind
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: of ends up. Does she just like stay at this
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: level and get a few deals here and there? Because
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: she does dress really well.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: She'll be on like villains and traitors and all that.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she should be used for something else
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: if she doesn't come back.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: There's a whole new category in reality TV where now
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: they have these shows which bring in other people from
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: other reality shows.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: She'll be on like a Traders or something. Jessica Alba
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: and her husband are getting divorced.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: And they just both have their own businesses and so
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: much money.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: Great. She's going to have so much fun dating.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Then they have three kids. Good for her. With
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: age names. Honor, Hayes, and like Haven.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: I have a haze, but a girl.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: That's cute. I like that name. People are worried about
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Justin Bieber.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: I worry about him all the time.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: He looks awful. Other people are like, he's a new dad.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shut up. He's not the Octomom, okay?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe if he had eight kids and no help, maybe
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: he would have some sunken eyes.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Maybe what they're saying is it gives him something to
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: be joyful about.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: No, they're saying that's why he looks like shit.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Because he's a child?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, because he's a new dad.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. He's up all night breastfeeding. Give me
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: a break. Stop it. No. What?
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: No. I mean, this does look like he's not well.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Worried about him.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Well, Kate, this was really fun.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: Always.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Tell everybody what you got going on.
• 1:22:56
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• 1:22:59
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• 1:23:02
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• 1:23:04
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• 1:23:07
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• 1:23:11
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• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: What's some hot things to watch coming up?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. I am so excited for you to watch
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: this season of Love is Blind. I, oh my God,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: I'm shaking. I can't even tell you.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: When does it come out?
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: Friday. Valentine's Day. It's in Minneapolis.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Did you get the screeners?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: I watched the first episodes. I was kind of falling asleep.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: I shut up. I haven't stopped thinking about the last
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: episode of the first tranche of episodes.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: I cannot wait for you to watch it. All right.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: We have to talk about it. Okay. That's the one
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: to watch this week, Love is Blind.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: On Friday. Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: Because at first you're like- oh, my God, they're all
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: really sweet and earnest. And maybe it's because they're from Minneapolis.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: And then you start to go, that one's the sociopath.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: That one's the sociopath. It's really good.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, good.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: And by the way, a great thing to watch on
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Valentine's Day with somebody.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: Like, don't go out. Just stay in.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: And also, Love is Blind makes you feel so much
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: better about being married because all they want to do,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: all they keep saying is, I just want my person
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: that I can just have somebody watch Love is Blind with.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, here I am with my person watching
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Love is Blind. I need to be more excited about
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: being married. Look at these people.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: Well, also, you watch it with your sons, too. Added bonus.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: Watch it with anyone or watch it by yourself.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: Actually, my kids really got into the season, too, because
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: I would be watching and they would walk through and
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: they'd ask me about it. So, yeah, it's the one
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Awesome.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: Alright, thanks Kate. Thank you.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: in store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: free click and collect.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: So easy.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.