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Monday Mini: TikTok Activism · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. Never
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  Speaker 1: told your production of iHeart Radio. Okay, any I have
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  Speaker 1: to ask you for this Monday money because I kind
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  Speaker 1: of already know this answer. I believe, but you can
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  Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong. What is your favorite source
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  Speaker 1: of social media slash medium style of communicating on social media? Though?
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  Speaker 1: Uh I, I guess it's Instagram. I don't. I really
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  Speaker 1: don't use social media that much, but people contact me
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  Speaker 1: through Instagram pretty regularly, and so I'll go in and
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  Speaker 1: answer messages on there. I used to love a tipsy Graham,
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  Speaker 1: which that was one of my favorites, which is where
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  Speaker 1: you get kind of tipsy and then you record a
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  Speaker 1: story and you cannot rerecord it. You have to post
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  Speaker 1: it as is. And I've gotten some gold on that.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think Twitter can be great, but
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  Speaker 1: it is generally not great, but it can be. It
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  Speaker 1: has some like really nice areas that I do love.
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  Speaker 1: But I say Twitter gives me like the news faster
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  Speaker 1: than the news, like I can't and immediately, like I
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  Speaker 1: read one random text yesterday and was told within fifteen
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  Speaker 1: minutes of Jason Mamoa's divorce I was like or split,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, good God, what's happening? And I
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  Speaker 1: got it from a person on Twitter who was already
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  Speaker 1: on top of things. Yes, yes, Twitter is definitely very
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  Speaker 1: very quick to report things. But also, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: always so every time I see something or someone I
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  Speaker 1: love trending on Twitter, it feels like I'm dying inside
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  Speaker 1: because it's almost always bad. But so far it's been fine.
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  Speaker 1: But that aspect I hate, I hate. And it's also
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  Speaker 1: it plays into the algorithm because I get a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of Star Wars stuff or Marvel stuff because I love
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars and Marvel. That makes sense, But that means
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  Speaker 1: that every time I see on trending, like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I just saw Mark Camel's tending, I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: it's ruined. But it was fine. It's just popping up
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  Speaker 1: because they know I like the streets before, right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think for me too, I will say I like
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  Speaker 1: Twitter for like I said, people will tell me things
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  Speaker 1: so quickly, and it gives me kind of a good
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  Speaker 1: way to gauge just because of the people I'm following
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  Speaker 1: or the people who are following me, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff Instagram, I've done less and less
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  Speaker 1: on because they have not put in the whole like
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  Speaker 1: suggested you like these posts in between all of them,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, who are these people? I'm very confused about
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  Speaker 1: what is happening to things that I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: see anymore? And it becomes an add to you should
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  Speaker 1: follow this, and you should follow this, and I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't for a reason, why is this happening.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want these pictures and some of it is
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  Speaker 1: really sad, and I'm like, no, I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like this for a reason. Why are you doing this?
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  Speaker 1: And then if you like, if they think you've already
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  Speaker 1: seen your old posts, they give you all new ones,
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  Speaker 1: which again I'm baffled, like, who are these people? What
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  Speaker 1: has happened? What is happening to my feed? So this
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  Speaker 1: plant has become less on my list? And of course
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  Speaker 1: I've kind of talked about the fact that my mother
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  Speaker 1: is now on Instagram, and so I post a lot
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  Speaker 1: less less because of that on Instagram. So just if
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  Speaker 1: y'all wonder why, it's just now like I'm kind of dropped,
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  Speaker 1: but my newest favorite and you know, my newest favorite
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  Speaker 1: because I've been talking about it for so much. It's TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: And there may be a bit of irony with the
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  Speaker 1: fact that I've talked about not knowing who is on
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  Speaker 1: my you know list, and all of a sudden getting
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  Speaker 1: all these new things, which is kind of the whole
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  Speaker 1: point of TikTok is to share with you fees that
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  Speaker 1: might interest you that you may not know about. Which
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  Speaker 1: is the for you page, But we'll talk about that
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  Speaker 1: in a minute. But before we started, yes, because we
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get into a little bit about what TikTok
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  Speaker 1: is doing and how big of an influence it is
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  Speaker 1: and how big it is when it comes to movements,
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  Speaker 1: activism and women. So but when it comes to social media,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot to talk about, and we just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to go ahead and let you know. We're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: go to in depth in some of these things, but
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  Speaker 1: they mention sexual assault or violence, harassment, eating disorders, fat shaming,
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  Speaker 1: trauma experience, and all of that kind of conversations because
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to movement and activism, there's usually something
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  Speaker 1: that they're trying to fight against or fight for, So
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and let you know about that content. Warning, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's a job. Again, We're not gonna get too deep
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  Speaker 1: into it, but just kind of give you some examples
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  Speaker 1: and um, some people who are doing the activism on TikTok. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and if you've been listening, like I said, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: caught up in the world of TikTok, and y'all. I
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  Speaker 1: avoided it for so long because I knew I knew
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  Speaker 1: well one, it felt like one more thing to take
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  Speaker 1: up on my phone and my data in my Space,
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  Speaker 1: which I've had to delete so many things recently because
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have enough on my phone own.
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  Speaker 1: And then also I thought maybe TikTok was a bit
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  Speaker 1: too young for me, because it did it kind of
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  Speaker 1: came from the world of snapchat, all of those things
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  Speaker 1: which I really thought were for teenagers who like to
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  Speaker 1: share videos with each other, dances and all that, and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hitting forty, do I really need to be in
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  Speaker 1: another social media world? I'm wrong, but just saying, um,
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  Speaker 1: and of course, fear of what I would be diving into.
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  Speaker 1: There are so many things that I'm like, what, what,
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  Speaker 1: what is this? But I wasn't wrong about these fears.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't wrong to the point like I said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so caught up. I've had to place a timer setting, honest,
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  Speaker 1: so that it will check me on how much time
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  Speaker 1: I'm spending or consuming this app. Because there is a
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  Speaker 1: setting where you will make you do a code pen.
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  Speaker 1: It stops you, tells you that you've spent an hour
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  Speaker 1: on here. Do you want to continue? You must enter
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  Speaker 1: this pen. So I did that for myself because literally
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  Speaker 1: with for three hours I stayed up from I went.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to at about at eleven o'clock looked
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  Speaker 1: down after watching all of these videos on TikTok that
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  Speaker 1: it was to thirty am. I had spent that much
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  Speaker 1: time not realizing it. Yeah, it's a time suck for
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  Speaker 1: sure if you're not careful. And I'm not the only one,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, Annie, I know you're not into it,
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  Speaker 1: and I've had to send you some of the videos
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  Speaker 1: smart Smart, Smart, But I'm not the only one. According
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  Speaker 1: to some statistics, there are currently one billion monthly active
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  Speaker 1: TikTok users. In fact, they have over three billion downloads,
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  Speaker 1: which is about one third of all social media users,
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  Speaker 1: point blake, and they did that in four years, which
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  Speaker 1: it took almost three times that long for the growth
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  Speaker 1: rate of Facebook or Instagram, so it took them ten
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  Speaker 1: years to grow that many users, but for TikTok, and
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  Speaker 1: they did within four years. And this includes a supposed
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  Speaker 1: band that was supposed to happen at one point, which
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  Speaker 1: they have actually skyrocket the number of downloads. That is
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  Speaker 1: that conversation, I like, so yeah, I remember that everyone
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  Speaker 1: was panicking. I'm like, do you really want tik talking
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  Speaker 1: like no, but what if I do later? And then
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  Speaker 1: there was also the fact that, uh, they had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ads out at one point why during the
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  Speaker 1: time they said that they may be banned. Yes, And
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  Speaker 1: also just to add on he probably saw but SNL
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  Speaker 1: with Billie Eilish did a sketch on spending all the
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  Speaker 1: time on TikTok, probably too real. Well, it was very funny.
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  Speaker 1: It was a dad trying to get his I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: daughter to take out the trash and she was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah yeah, and it was just on TikTok, TikTok, TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: And finally he joined TikTok to try to send her
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  Speaker 1: a message like take at the trash and did it
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  Speaker 1: turn out that he actually got a part of it
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  Speaker 1: and got stuck in it too. Probably probably, I have
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  Speaker 1: to say that's my least face. I like getting TikTok
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  Speaker 1: from people, but I hate that it auto places the
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  Speaker 1: next TikTok. I hate auto play with a burning passion.
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  Speaker 1: No matter where it is, I hate it. Do not
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  Speaker 1: make me watch your next video. Um So, in one
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  Speaker 1: TikTok was the most downloaded non game app for the
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  Speaker 1: first six months and has been one of the most popular,
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  Speaker 1: if not the most popular app in twenty nineteen. And
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  Speaker 1: and yes, they even asked Google as the most popular
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  Speaker 1: quote online destination, which was tracked through a web traffic
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  Speaker 1: monitor called cloud fair Radar. Right, so this report went
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  Speaker 1: out everywhere because it made such big news that it
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  Speaker 1: out did Google. Yeah, and of course TikTok has its
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  Speaker 1: issues and problems, whether we are talking about the continued
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  Speaker 1: shadow banning and non crediting of black creators and you
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  Speaker 1: can go listen to our episode that we did with
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  Speaker 1: Bridget to learn more about that. Um the continued harassment
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  Speaker 1: and trolls of content creators, and even fat phobia of
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  Speaker 1: the app. Um So, there's a lot to watch out for,
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  Speaker 1: just as there is on pretty much every every social
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  Speaker 1: media platform. Also, and we will talk a little more
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  Speaker 1: about some of the specifics, but justinn f y I.
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  Speaker 1: There has been a big debate about whether or not
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  Speaker 1: TikTok it's actually bad for you, as in your mental health.
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  Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of conversation about the fact
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  Speaker 1: that TikTok makes you aware of things that you might
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  Speaker 1: not know of. I actually watched like real time, in
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  Speaker 1: real time, someone diagnosed another woman's thyroid issues that were like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is really off the topic of whatever she was
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  Speaker 1: talking about, but I noticed your thyroid. You may want
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  Speaker 1: to go check it out because it's this and this,
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  Speaker 1: and it turned out, yeah, there was an issue. So
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  Speaker 1: it was really interesting on the content like this because
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of hyper awareness. There's a whole side
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  Speaker 1: of TikTok called a d h D TikTok. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: got caught up in that anyway, So there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: to be said. And yes, also we could probably have
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  Speaker 1: that conversation about the fact that TikTok and apps like
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  Speaker 1: this create a shorter attention span and whether that is
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  Speaker 1: good for you or not. I'm gonna go with not
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  Speaker 1: as me who has a very short attention span. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and with it being a near medium, This is a
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  Speaker 1: great opportunity to start off on the right foot, or
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  Speaker 1: equal footing at the very least, meaning at this time,
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  Speaker 1: the amount of women content creators are more than men
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  Speaker 1: by about seven and a half percent, with women making
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  Speaker 1: up fifty three point seven nine percent while men make
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  Speaker 1: up about forty six point one percent as of August one,
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  Speaker 1: and the gap is significantly larger when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the users. Women make up of the users while men
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  Speaker 1: make up thirty nine percent. And if you're wondering the
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  Speaker 1: age breakdown, nine year olds have the most users, with
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  Speaker 1: thirty of users beat in that age group, followed by
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  Speaker 1: eighteen and younger, which is that eight percent thirty nine
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  Speaker 1: plus is that nineteen percent and thirty to thirty nine
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  Speaker 1: at eighteen percent, which I found surprising honestly that the
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  Speaker 1: thirty thirty nine would be higher um. However, there are
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  Speaker 1: a few reports show that the under age eighteen users
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  Speaker 1: may actually be larger than that number represents UM, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's because they're lying about their age or whatever what not,
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  Speaker 1: because some of the other UH statistics show that they
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  Speaker 1: are the highest amount of the age group that uses TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: which again probably is also wild Like this feels like
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  Speaker 1: it's way too young for me. But it's not just
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  Speaker 1: the overall demographics that have interested. It's more to do
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  Speaker 1: with the actual content. Um. And if you look at
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  Speaker 1: my of for you page or f y P as
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  Speaker 1: the hashtag goes, which I still don't quite understand, Apparently
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  Speaker 1: it makes it more popular. I don't know because someone
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  Speaker 1: who's like I don't have this on my thing, And
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  Speaker 1: if you're seeing this, it's been for you And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: is it? Is it? Wait? Is it? So? I'm very
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  Speaker 1: confused about this. You will see that for me, I
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  Speaker 1: have many a dog, cat, maybe a raccoon. Maybe in
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  Speaker 1: the EMU account that I follow, it's probably cute. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But with that, there are also many different activists that
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  Speaker 1: have caught my attention. Okay, UM, well, I see I've
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  Speaker 1: seen an evil I like an em I'm just surprised,
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  Speaker 1: that's all. But I guess it's not so surprising to
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  Speaker 1: see the large amount of misinformation, unfortunately that the platform allows.
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  Speaker 1: But the good news is there are those who have
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  Speaker 1: and continue to go viral with factual information to counter
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  Speaker 1: the damaging content. I remember we talked about this with
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  Speaker 1: the Dungeons and Dragons account right, yes, um, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: the debunking of medical misinformation or about politics, there are
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  Speaker 1: several creators out there bring scientific information in one to
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  Speaker 1: three minute snippets. But with that there is also a
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  Speaker 1: lot of drama and some real danger. The word doxing
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  Speaker 1: has been flying around social media, the social media world
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  Speaker 1: and just in case you don't know, that's publishing personal
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  Speaker 1: information like a dress um online. Uh, And TikTok is
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  Speaker 1: is a part of that is the top contender for
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  Speaker 1: usage of the word and not too surprisingly, if something
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  Speaker 1: or someone is caught with enough ferocity, people have been
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  Speaker 1: swept up in firing's, harassment and swatting. Right. There's actually
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  Speaker 1: a couple of incidents recently by two content creators that
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  Speaker 1: they actually got swatted and uh, there's a whole lawsuits
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  Speaker 1: happening and such. So there's a lot going on within
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  Speaker 1: this world. There's a lot of drama. Yeah you've been
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  Speaker 1: telling me anyway, um, And there are many who criticize
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  Speaker 1: the monitoring or how TikTok is monitoring the app, questioning
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  Speaker 1: what is considered a violation and what is allowed. Recently,
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  Speaker 1: a popular TikToker was arrested for the murder of his
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  Speaker 1: partner Um. I think at that point they were ex
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  Speaker 1: partners Um and his account which highlighted his relationship. They
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  Speaker 1: made it us like couple's account during the time was
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  Speaker 1: allowed to remain up after his arrest, like they didn't
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  Speaker 1: do anything for it, and they kept it all going. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: They had a pretty high amount of followers. And we
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  Speaker 1: talked not too long ago about the continued highlighting of
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  Speaker 1: white TikTok creators over black creators who had to go
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  Speaker 1: on strike to even be heard. But seemingly very little
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  Speaker 1: has changed to even out the disparity. But there are
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  Speaker 1: movements that are being brought to the forefront and for
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  Speaker 1: the better, such as climate change activism and a group
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  Speaker 1: known as eco Talk, which is made up of young
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  Speaker 1: influencers posting videos about environmental and climate topics which begin
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  Speaker 1: in July twenty has been able to have some much
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  Speaker 1: needed conversations thanks to this app Yes and the group
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  Speaker 1: has worked to make viral videos to bring awareness to
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  Speaker 1: the problems happening around the world. Members like Chris and Cabrera,
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  Speaker 1: a marine biologists, have been using TikTok to bring scientific
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  Speaker 1: content into a fun learning resource type of area. Environment
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  Speaker 1: and she has garnered hundreds of thousands of views for
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  Speaker 1: her video. Um and she's not the only one that
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  Speaker 1: hashtag climate change and sustainable have more than billions of
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  Speaker 1: views throughout TikTok. Other movements, such as abortion rights movements,
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  Speaker 1: have also been able to use TikTok to educate and
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  Speaker 1: bring awareness. TikTok or Alex Krato at Alex the Feminist,
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  Speaker 1: for example, has had over four million views of her
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  Speaker 1: one of her post alone own which showed her confronting
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  Speaker 1: anti abortion protesters. And this is working not only to
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  Speaker 1: push back the protesters and educate the viewers, but also
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  Speaker 1: to protect the rights of women coming to the centers.
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  Speaker 1: And then there are people like Drew a Foilo I'm
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  Speaker 1: so sorry if I said that wrong, a f u
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  Speaker 1: a l o who has her own way of turning
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  Speaker 1: the tables on misogynists. UM and I do follow her
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  Speaker 1: as well. She's very entertaining. Everybody knows her by her
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  Speaker 1: laugh just in case you were wondering. Uh. And she
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  Speaker 1: has a whopping three point six a million followers and
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  Speaker 1: has built her followership with her unique content of criticizing
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  Speaker 1: and critiquing sexist content. So she'll literally stitch her videos
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  Speaker 1: what they call it, which is again accompanied by her
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  Speaker 1: very identifiable laugh, is quite cute, and she doesn't hold back,
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  Speaker 1: and I would say she is an absolute powerhouse. She
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  Speaker 1: may making sexist men shrink into oblivion with her jokes
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  Speaker 1: and comebacks, and she has been criticized for her usage
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  Speaker 1: of harsh jokes and pointing out physical characteristics, but as
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  Speaker 1: she says of those who pushed back, quote, all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm the meanest girl ever. You make a joke,
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  Speaker 1: and I make a joke, but somehow mine's mean and
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  Speaker 1: yours isn't okay okay. So essentially, she's like talking about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that whenever she sees the video of men
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  Speaker 1: making fun of women, she comes right back at them
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  Speaker 1: and let them know, hey, I'm here. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is pretty harsh, but it is quite funny. I
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it. Again. Of course, I may not do this
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  Speaker 1: type of first spot. I don't think I have the
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  Speaker 1: gumption to do so as she does. But she has
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  Speaker 1: definitely gained a lot of traction to the point that
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  Speaker 1: it's almost hilarious. How often you'll see her name tagged
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  Speaker 1: in these videos ready to go, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: men and responsibill delete the videos. Immediately or delete their account.
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  Speaker 1: So it's pretty interesting to see. But women like her
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  Speaker 1: who do these things are coming with a whole other
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  Speaker 1: level of like, hey, we're done, We're done playing. And
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  Speaker 1: she even talked about the fact that, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a it's a mistake to assume that every woman is
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  Speaker 1: just going to take the high road, which we've been
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  Speaker 1: taught first way too long. So stuff like that. But
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  Speaker 1: with the good does come the bad. And recently Vice
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  Speaker 1: reported an alarming amount of in cell content on TikTok
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  Speaker 1: as well. Recent data by Claren O'Connor shows a large
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  Speaker 1: amount of misogynistic case speech within the platform and oftentimes
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  Speaker 1: it's ignored by TikTok. And one big movement highlighted was
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  Speaker 1: the mg t OW or Men Going their Own Way,
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  Speaker 1: which was a movement that often titled misogyny with white supremacy.
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  Speaker 1: Not surprising, and some of the videos shared within these
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  Speaker 1: hashtags and these groups have included videos that were made
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  Speaker 1: by Elliott Roger, an in cell who murdered seven people
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  Speaker 1: in before he killed himself, and one of these videos
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  Speaker 1: include him specifically talking about women and how they have
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  Speaker 1: quote have started him of sex and pleasure, so obviously
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  Speaker 1: very much in the in cell manifesto UM and which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, they stayed up until this report was
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  Speaker 1: shared with TikTok recently. Yeah, and though TikTok has banned
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  Speaker 1: many of the hashtags and some accounts related to the movement,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to be going away. And TikTok also
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  Speaker 1: seems to be going UM pretty slowly to take some
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  Speaker 1: of these items down. Hashtags like hypergamy and red pill
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  Speaker 1: were still active when Vice released their article as of
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  Speaker 1: November of one, and why would they allow so many
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  Speaker 1: tags and accounts to continue unchecked. Well, Fraser Heritage, a
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  Speaker 1: professor at Birmingham City University, says, quote one of the
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  Speaker 1: issues online platforms face is that swass of society are
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  Speaker 1: misogynistic or at least built on misogynistic ideas. So there
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  Speaker 1: is a difficulty in drawing a quote line in the sand,
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  Speaker 1: right And I thought that was a really important line,
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  Speaker 1: that this is the idea and it's so accepted that
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  Speaker 1: it allows for it. And I can't tell you how
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  Speaker 1: many videos that I have actually seeing UM that didn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily equate to being in cel, but that would go
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  Speaker 1: in blaming women for situations, whether it's I've seen several
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  Speaker 1: great videos of women pushing back on men, harassing them
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  Speaker 1: or not living them alone, and within the comments, men
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  Speaker 1: are so adamant that women are in the wrong and
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  Speaker 1: being too aggressive the way they dress, and the amount
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  Speaker 1: of comments that flood in like that, it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of shocking because I'm thinking, with this new content, maybe
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: people have changed perspectives and have understood and have grown,
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  Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem like that. UM. And I think
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  Speaker 1: with all those comments and with all those conversations happening
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  Speaker 1: within the videos, none of them are really checked, is
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: seen from what I can gather, and that's concerning. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I think a part of that is just the fact that, well,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: it is what it is, and you knew what you
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  Speaker 1: were getting into with so um and with platforms like TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: which has dramatically grown in popularity, it may be harder
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  Speaker 1: for workers to keep up with ever changing and ever
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  Speaker 1: adding amount of content. UM. So many are hopping on
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  Speaker 1: with a new dream of being a TikTok influencer, not
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  Speaker 1: realizing how it can be good or bad. You never know.
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  Speaker 1: And for those who do make it, they are making
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  Speaker 1: bank as creators can make up to two hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars for one branded post, Like I was like, wait, what, um,
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  Speaker 1: And if you have a certain amount of followers, you
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  Speaker 1: could possibly make from two hundred to five thousand a month.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, you would need to accrue over a hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand followers to even be considered to get any of
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  Speaker 1: this pay. Just a reminder and some of the top
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: influencers today include Charlie di Amilio I'm sorry if I'm
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: between these names, who has a hundred thirty two point
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  Speaker 1: seven million followers, Cabby Lame at twenty four point nine million,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and Bella Porch at eighties seven million. So there's a
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: lot of people, and there seems to be like the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: top five that just kind of go, you know, different rankings,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of them have made careers out of this.
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  Speaker 1: Not only has Bella Porch has now I think she
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: was already a star UM and a singer, but now
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: her career is even more so grown in popularity. And
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: then uh, Kavie Laine, who was known he doesn't even
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: really speak in his I don't know if you know
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  Speaker 1: who this is, um, but he's a content creator that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: literally just points out things that are obvious so there
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: may be an item that helps you, uh get some
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: keys off the ground. But like it's so random. He
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: just like shows you, like picks it up, like pick
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  Speaker 1: it up, and that's the thing. Super cute. I enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: It's fun. But he's made a career off of this
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  Speaker 1: and has been touring around the country, around the world
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  Speaker 1: modeling and getting sponsorships. And then Charlie dam Leo, she's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: been through a lot of things hurt her sister are
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: both pretty viral, and I believe they're getting their own
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  Speaker 1: reality show through this, So there are a lot. Addison
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Ray is also another big name in TikTok world, and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: she hasn't done a movie already, a Netflix movie, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot to be said that if you
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: can make it wonderful. Of course, some of these content
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: creators have also been accused of stealing content from others,
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  Speaker 1: and oftentimes that as women of color, people of color
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  Speaker 1: that they've been stealing from. So that's a lot of
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: questions that we have in that as well, because yes,
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  Speaker 1: this can change people's lives, this can be a career,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: So it does make a difference in this level. And
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and I'm not even talking about using sounds. So on TikTok,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you can take someone's original content and whatever they're saying
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and put it onto yours and make it like an overlay.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a whole different type of level that I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure about, but I do know that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times it's stolen and people don't credit that even
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and that it's like it's obvious as someone else's content,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Where did it come from? Why wouldn't you say it?
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  Speaker 1: And the problem is when people are making money off
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of that content without acknowledging and or giving credit to
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  Speaker 1: where it came from to begin with, which TikTok is
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a whole new world. I'm interested to see how copyrighting
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and any of that, and even to the point someone's
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: actually said and we want to dig in this to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: later that it could be an n f T, that
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: soon maybe some of the sounds could be an n
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: f T. And I'm like, what, Oh, there's a lot.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: It's what a world that is to explain this to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: ourselves twenty years ago, I'm confused today it exists. But yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: so there's a lot happening in TikTok world. Obviously I
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: didn't even hit on some of my favorite content creators myself.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I just kind of pulled in some names that I've seen,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: um and that as we're researching it. But there's a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: lot to be said, and there's a lot to look
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: into when it comes to social media, especially in newer forms,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and why it's so popular and again the opportunities that
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: it can afford to women if we truly, truly are
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: given that opportunity. Yeah yeah, well Samantha, you and I
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: just need to get one thousand followers. Yeah yeah, I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: have one video out and you don't. It's not even
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: my name, and I got six views. I'm so o hey, hey,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that's not bad. That's pretty good. We did see Samantha
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and I and what feels like Forever Ago. Did actually
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: go to a movie theater and we saw a commercial
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: for somebody's TikTok account and I was like, wow, okay, um, well,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: clearly there's a lot we could dig into here, and listeners,
• 24:45
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• 24:47
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• 24:50
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• 24:52
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• 25:03
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• 25:06
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• 25:09
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• 25:11
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