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9 - SUNNYdelight Filled Days On The Road To WrestleMania! · Singlets & Suplexes: A Pro Wrestling Podcast

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Hello, welcome to Singlets and Suplexes, a pro wrestling
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And I'm Luke. Evening.
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Very good. We're hurtling towards
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We do need to talk about some things.
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Obviously, we passed a milestone this past week.
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for want to know your thoughts take take apart in our polls.
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You know, we love talking to you guys about wrestling as well and
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getting you listeners involved. On that note, Luke, Are you
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ready for housekeeping? I am, yes.
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OK, so we did do a poll of the back of last week's Cursed by
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the Wrestling Gods, which was, of course, the Blackman.
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The poll was, would you put Steve Blackman in the Doobie
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Doobie Hall of Fame? We had.
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So these were the four options we had.
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Yes, No, maybe now we had. Can you repeat the question?
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So it was a bit of a bit of a top of the nose to a good old
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Malcolm in the Middle, if anyone who who got that.
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But 100% the vote was yes. So what's your thoughts?
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Not Luke. Yeah, I've definitely agree with
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it. I think he was part of kind of a
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boom period in wrestling, arguably one of the biggest boom
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periods he guys were kind of dived into last week.
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He did have some big moments. He was in there with the bosses
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son and I think from doing the research on him and kind of
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listening to interviews by others, he's kind of was very
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well liked in the back. So I think it's something that
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would be appreciated by the fans and the guys in the back.
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So yeah, 100% would love to see him in the Hall of Fame, and I'm
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glad that everyone else agrees as well.
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Yeah, I think if the likes of Tito Santana in there, you know
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what I mean. And then he's a similar colour
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guy, right? So solid in the mid card for
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like wrestling's boom period. So get him in is my opinion,
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diving into some thoughts. So Lou hit us up on Spotify.
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So basically the these are the comments that were left on last
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week's episode. That's how we get these
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comments. So if you are listening to this
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episode in the future, when it drops, leave a comment on it on
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Spotify, a question or a thought and we will reference it in the
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following week's housekeeping. That's how it works.
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So Lou commented on last week's episode and what Lou said was,
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well, obviously, as you mentioned, Luke, we're in the
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the build the WrestleMania. Now, if you could have any
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singer slash band perform the national anthem at WrestleMania
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this year, who would you pick and why?
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Lou also said they have to be still alive.
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And Lou also said that we cannot pick Supergrass.
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Right. Well, Supergrass was me go do so
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she's taking that away from us. So that's a shame, but it'll be
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all right, I think. Well, this is one that we've
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already touched on maybe last week, but I think it's got to be
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Nickelback for me. They're doing the song.
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I know the Canadian, but why not?
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Yeah, I mean, you certainly got the voice.
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You could pull it off. I don't know how the Americans
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would feel with a non American singer.
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I don't know if that's a thing. It might not be a thing.
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Maybe I'm just big enough be something it's not bought.
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You know Nickelback to other theme tune there and the have
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played roles like before and the have played live a tribute to
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the troops as well. I believe so.
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That sounds very true, that Nickelback playing tribute to
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the troops on WA show, That sounds like it's definitely real
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play. I believe that 100% I.
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Mean, I know the Canadian that is 100% American, isn't it?
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Nothing. Another one who, because I've
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got this kind of obsession with them at the minute because
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everyone's like, is he fake? Is he an industry plant?
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But maybe he's Youngblood because he's cool.
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He's hit by the kids, isn't he? And not he invited him to the
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dungeon recently. I think he's a wrestling fan.
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And he did smash that cover of changes at the Aussie tribute
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show. And I feel like you've got that
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look where fits fits in with the wrestling demographic.
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Certainly does. He certainly does.
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I'm sort of stumped. I'm caught off guard by his
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questions, so it's a great question.
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So thank you for doing that. Singer or a band?
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I'm just going to go out and go like they've been.
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They will become Disney Legends at Day 23 this year.
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Let's keep it American, let's keep it Americana.
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Let's get the Jonas Brothers singing the national anthem.
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You do love the Jonas Brothers. I mean, what's not alike?
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I mean, they are, you know, three awesome, awesome American
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lads. If you're going to go down that
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route, maybe they could have Hanson with them as well, like a
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person of this, you know, I mean all the new a super band.
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Why not? But yeah, other than that, I
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probably think I don't know. I don't know how many like bands
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or or TJ rolls me on television lately.
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So, like, could he do what? He's might have a much.
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Trust me, I never know. So probably not.
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Do you go like Lily Garcia, who's done in the past?
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You keep it in the family. How about you dim the light and
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it's fuzzy? That's how you bring carrot.
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Go back. Not could love that that's how
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you that's that would certainly turn something that would break
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I think if I haven't. Yeah, it would be shot and
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people wouldn't be expected it, especially getting the Canadians
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taking the national anthem. She was like when announcing the
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kept with secrets. It was like, no one knew.
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I was like, yeah, I think that found them fuzzy.
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And Jericho sings. That would be that would be
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wild. Yeah, that'll be excellent.
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That's I think that's the answer, isn't it?
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Yes, it is. It's Fuzzy Chris Jericho and
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Fuzzy Or do is this Halvin SAC man?
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Davey's back on television. You've seen how good he can sing
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at the Slammy Awards, right? And dance.
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And well, he certainly can dance.
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He certainly can. Do you do that?
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But all joking aside, I think you've probably picked the
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better options with with Nickelback for me, I think.
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Do you go suitable vibes and go for like a mega rock band?
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Do you just get, you know, Guns and noses are still touring?
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Do you just get Guns and noses to do it?
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Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, that would be like a
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really good, solid, non funny pick, wouldn't it?
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Because I think they would they, you know, if it fits everything
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well, doesn't it takes a lot of boxes.
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Certainly doesn't. You know, we both like Guns and
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Roses. I think Axel's obviously all the
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now, so his voice isn't as good as it was.
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I still think he's all right life.
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But I think for one song that the song was sure they should be
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able to kneel that and do a really good job. 100%.
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Or next questions from Wells. And he sort of, he's fired him
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with sort of two big thoughts and questions.
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So loved Steve Blackman, totally different to what WWF had to
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offer at the time. Great character work.
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Turns out he was just that savage in real life.
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He said looked in peak shape too concerning what he went through.
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He made a hell of a career for him.
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So that's sort of what we reference with his illness.
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Definitely what could have been if not for injury on bad timing.
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So great to see Wells agreement with what we were seeing.
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Question, He says. What do you think of the
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protected finisher? Do you think these are seen as a
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rare commodity these days? Is it good or bad?
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What impact does it have on the individual of any kick off a
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kick out or is it just part of the modern day and something
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that just needs accepting? Does it diminish a wrestler's
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credibility or ability to get over?
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So I think the first finisher, I think when I think of
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protection, I think of the 3D, the Dudley Death drop to where
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I'm pretty sure nobody kicked out of the very end.
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Is that right? Because.
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When you've said that you, I thought, oh, that's a good one
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because I wasn't aware it was that protected.
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But if that's the case, yeah, that's really cool expression
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for A tag team. I'm sure the stories were like
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Conrad it exactly. So someone hit us up in the
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comments board where they've hit take out with it and then they
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haven't got the three count, but like someone's interrupted the
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pin, like do you know what I mean?
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So there's things like that way, the protect that way like that.
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But it hasn't been a clear kick out of it.
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And I've got a few and it wasn't until the last match with the
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Hardys where that might have happened.
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I mean, against someone hit in the comments.
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But if it was not a gate, it's very concerned how long that
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he's been on top for. Like it.
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I'm sure it's only once or a handful of times that someone's
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actually kicked out of it just because of how of how
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devastating. Like I said, Bob has told the
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story where like even take I was like, well, yeah, hit us with
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it. Pin is like cane.
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I'll break up the fall because we're not, we're not, we're not
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going to, we're not going to wear someone kicking out the
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death drop like here, like, well, that, like that needs to
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be used down the line for something important.
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Yeah. And if take our signs off on
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that, you know, it's obviously well respected.
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So no, that's that's interesting for me to hear.
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So that's not one that I've never knew about, but I think
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this question is really good. It's really structured.
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So kind of to take off a few of the points within the question
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that is it just a case of it's kind of this is what modern
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wrestling is and you've got to like get on board with it.
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I think it is, unfortunately, it's not something that I'm a
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big fan of and I think people who really go in on a W, that is
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one of the big things people no sell like big finishers all the
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time. I've referenced that Kyle
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Fletcher match wage is a Bain Buster off the ladder and it's
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not the finish. Like I say, unfortunate.
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I think it's something that is here to stay.
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I think we'll live in that world of, you know, TikTok grabbing
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people's attention slowly. So sometimes matches do seem to
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have moved much quicker now. And you will hit one, you know,
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a finisher that maybe 1520 years ago would be the end.
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And that was it. You might see that move hit four
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or five times in the match to kind of get a quick pop from the
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crowd. Like, I can't believe he kicked
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out of it. So yeah, I do think it is the
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modern way and it's not something that I'm like
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massively a fan of. To maybe answer that question in
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a bit detail, a bit more detailed with what Elsie said,
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I'll circle back on it when we do a moment in time because it's
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funnily enough hit one of the points I wanted to make from it.
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But then thinking about what that protected finishes, it's
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not quite the same. But one that jumps to my mind
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straight away is when obviously when Chris Masters debuted and
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he did the Master Lock challenge, yeah, it wasn't in
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the match, but that was something that went on for
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months and nobody could break it.
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And then it was eventually Bobby Lashley who broke it.
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And it was a huge thing when the Master Lock was finally broken.
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So it can massively add something like that.
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Kept Chris Masters really kind of high up the card for a while,
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that Master Lock challenge. So I do think a protected finish
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is something that you don't see as much, but when it's done
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right, it's fantastic. And when it is finally kind of
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kicked out of or broken or whatever, people are on board
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with it and you get that huge reaction.
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Definitely, I think of Brett Hart and obviously the sharps
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and you know, not many people, but reversed it.
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They might get to the ropes to like break it, but you know, it
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was it was it was very rare that that people got to the ropes to
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break it up. And I remember that like, and
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that's the virus series match, the screw job.
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Obviously the finish where Michaels puts a minute.
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Obviously the whole spot was called beforehand where it was
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like, I'm going to put you in it.
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Then Brett's going to reverse it because Brett the only one who
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knows how to reverse it because it's his move.
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And that was like a big that was why that happened in the match.
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And people think, oh, Brett was silly to like, let him put him
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in it and move. But that's why because the spot
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was called where you put him in it and Brett would reverse it
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because Brett knows how to because it's his move.
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So psychology all made sense. But then obviously they all told
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a lie, didn't he? And and that's what happened
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there. But but yeah, like even even go
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back to that era, like he's early 90s, you know, there
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wasn't wasn't people reversing the sharpshooter, the Hogan egg
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drop wasn't people kicking out of that at the time.
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So yeah, absolutely. I think some of the biggest
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pops, like I think one of the biggest pops in the modern US
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probably are not just a popular reaction because like maybe
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maybe the pop was like inward because like it was that much of
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A shock. But like when Brock beat Tigger
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at Mania with the F5 take a didn't kick out.
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Like the fact he didn't kick out was what like made everybody go
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berserk and be shocked. So, you know, I think that is
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definitely something to be looked at.
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And then so you got housekeeping that I know it was.
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So look me and you made a little mistake last week.
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A tiny slip of the tongue. Did we?
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Yeah. Someone pulled us.
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Have we been pulled? So possibly been pulled
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possibly. I heard it in the Attitude and
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it was maybe a bit of both. So when we were talking about
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the Brawl for All, we refer to it as Fall Brawl.
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Both obviously wrestling paper views, but obviously Fall brawls
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are WCW pay-per-view and Brawl for All was the the event WWF
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put on that was sort of the actual real boxing match that
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went crazy. So it's easy slip the tongue to
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make and we both were both made that that that error.
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There's that much wrestling and a lot of it sounds the same, so
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it's easy to do. Also as well, in the current
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climate, you know where you've got Donald Trump as president
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and the man is feel like I refuse to accept any
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responsibility for anything that I've done wrong, so I don't
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care. Well, I do.
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Care. I'm not wrong.
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Whoever they're wrong. Yeah, well, if you care, you're
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wrong. That's what that's that's that's
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the modern world. Deal with it.
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Yeah. It's one of the things we
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because we've said it wrong, because it is actually a
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wrestling period. It's a bit like Arnold is 1.
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It is a wrestling review. It is right?
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Yeah, no, it is actually. I hadn't yet.
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But even when you were seeing it then doing the correction in my
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head, I was on the like kind of pull them aside of it.
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Trump was right. Which one was wrong?
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Yeah, no, 100% that brings an end to housekeeping.
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Luke, I think that gets us ready for a week in review and.
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I think. I'm going to go first with my
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first positive and that was I absolutely loved how Smackdown
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dealt with Matt Cardona, Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes.
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I thought Cordora coming out and stiffening one with the
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microphone was wonderful. Obviously you would be angry,
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right? And like Cordora's a jacked man,
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so like, you know, he can't handle himself.
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Let's not make him look too much like a bitch.
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Do you know what I mean? So I think he came out, he stuck
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Randy with a mic. Randy was caught off guard big
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time, obviously with it. And you know, that got the match
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set up. And then when the match got set,
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I was a bit like, Oh no, is this going to be like a squash fest?
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But I feel the match started off good.
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You know, Cardonas in his face, he's given him some stiff ones
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in the corner. They end up on the outside.
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Randy does get in the upper hand.
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He's listening to the voices. And then he does start to sort
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of dismantle Matt. Matt sells so well for Randy.
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He's making Randy look like a a vicious $1,000,000 books.
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And that ties us all into Cody coming out to sort of make the
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save. But also really good Orton and
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then these two got it like wildfire.
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I don't know what your thoughts are on this whole.
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It opened the shore and then it closed the shore and after
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assault the cotton, it was really, really good from the
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previous week as well. Yeah, it was kind of top my list
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with it being smacked down the first thing we're kind of look
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at the review of things I enjoyed this week.
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So yeah, I think you're right about the Mac or doing a match
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with Orton because, you know, back it's a few kind of offense
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in. But what I liked about it is it
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was kind of the first match Randy had wrestled since he's
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turned heel. And like the way he moved in the
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ring and how he acted, I thought, you know, it was like
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slipping on an opaque gloves for him, wasn't it?
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It was kind of just that I know exactly what I'm doing here.
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I know how to be a Dick. Like we slowly work on his
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shoulder, like methodical nasty. And I thought I did a really
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good job of kind of solidifying that Orton heel turn.
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And obviously it's, you know, it's night and day the
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comparison. But obviously seen as heel turn
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just didn't work at all all last year.
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He'd obviously never worked healing his career.
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Probably a big fighter behind it, as well as the fact that,
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you know, the Rock was meant to be involved in that storyline
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allegedly as well. But this heal term with Orton,
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it's like it's happened perfectly, I think because it's
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something that Orton knows how to play very well.
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And I think as the two weeks have ruled by kind of putting my
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card on in that spot was probably a really good kind of
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bit of filler to kind of keep him in care.
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Cordia Weird. Just enough to kind of sell the
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injury in the attack. Definitely.
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And then I loved like Cody coming out of brawl with him.
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I thought really put obviously Cody's selling the injuries.
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He's been gone while he was recovering from that vicious
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attack that Orton did. So we've made Orton look
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$1,000,000 and made him look really vicious.
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And then Orton's made himself look really vicious in the match
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of Cardona and Cody's come out of stand up to him here.
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He's recovered a little bit, enough to stand up to him.
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And I thought, yeah, it made me just excited for Wrestleman and
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I'll see these two go out it it's going to be class.
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Yeah, and I thought it was done well where you didn't have Cody
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and Orton speak to each other this on this week's Smackdown,
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because you've had a lot of talking with Roman Reigns and CM
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Punk in the other world title match.
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So I thought it was cool that this like they did just go
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straight for the brawl with Orton and Rhodes.
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And I think you're going to get the talk and after, which was
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kind of set up quite intriguingly on Raw where
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Stephanie McMahon come out and kind of warned Cody about like
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who Randy is and how serious he needs to take this.
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So I think kind of we'll get some talk in this week, but it's
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had a much better set up where you've had the attack, you've
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had a brawl, you've had someone else give an opinion and kind of
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a warning on it and then where does it go from there?
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It did make us think, could Randy Orton be talking to
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Vincent Kennedy McMahon? Well, I think let's talk about
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that. So I mean, you mentioned
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Stephanie. So after that, awesome.
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I've told you how much I love the whole setup from start to
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finish and smack down and on Raw open to Cody, Stephanie comes
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out and I'm just like this, this doesn't need you like why you
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like Randy. Randy knows he's visited because
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he busted his head open on the steel steps with a chair and he
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was gone for like 2 weeks. Like I get it in Madison Square
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Garden, you probably put out there for like the pops like a
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Mcmannan that they're gone. But I just feel like, you know,
19:59
I get just going in the Hall of Fame, but and I like Stephanie,
20:03
but I don't know why. I don't know why she's got
20:06
herself involved in this. Like, no, like they've come to
20:08
mega blows on just on Friday night.
20:10
Like this is now set to go for Guerra WrestleMania.
20:13
Like, don't need you come out to talk to to talk to Cory.
20:17
What was your thought on Stephanie?
20:19
Come out and speak to him. I think it was short enough that
20:22
I didn't hear it. Like I said, does maybe think,
20:25
oh, she's going to be part of these phone calls.
20:27
Could it be Vince? Could it be Shane?
20:29
Probably not Vince, but you know, he could be.
20:31
Things seem to have been turned on that and you've still got
20:35
another three episodes of Smackdown beforehand.
20:37
I think that's possibly part of it as well.
20:39
Like if there was only one more if if like this week was the go
20:42
home show, then she wouldn't be needed.
20:44
But there is still three more episodes before we get to
20:48
WrestleMania. So I thought it adds something
20:51
extra fun now. And I'll I'll I'll put it off as
20:54
kind of a on the fence feeling on it to see where it leads.
20:58
Like I say, with quite a bit of TV still to come.
21:02
Yeah, I feel Cody wasn't there because it's it's Madison Square
21:04
Garden. They don't go there as often as
21:05
used to. And I feel like the WE champion
21:07
has to be the Garden. But then a few you'll just put
21:10
him in a non TV segment like for the crowd.
21:14
Like after, yeah, like after the show movies before.
21:16
Yeah, like I say, I mean the, the, the, the teas and stuff
21:19
with Randy on the phone. So I think it could be she could
21:22
just be in there as like a red Herron.
21:23
Do you know? I mean to make people go.
21:24
That was it. Vince is it is a Triple H like
21:28
Stephanie's come out there. So I think it could, yeah.
21:30
I think it adds a little bit of an intrigue because I say
21:32
there's still, there's still time to go on this one yet.
21:35
Do you think, when do you think the reveal?
21:37
Who's on the phone before WrestleMania or after?
21:42
I think it depends. I think you could reveal it
21:44
before, see if Corey's getting the other hand on on another
21:47
brawl, then someone comes out to help Randy.
21:49
That could be human. It's revealed.
21:50
But I can see going all the way to Mania and like it actually
21:54
happening in the match, like someone coming out.
21:58
So I saw one thing online where I think it was someone just
22:01
fantasy book and but some people seem to think that the person
22:04
Randy speaking to on the phone is himself because he's not well
22:07
mentally that that would be a bit of a let down, wouldn't it?
22:12
Yeah, it would be a big time. I mean, it's probably the rock,
22:15
right? Well, not according to Malta, so
22:18
then yes, it definitely is the rock.
22:20
So whatever he says, I'll go. I'll go the opposite 100%.
22:23
Like, so how does Melton know it's not the rock Toronto like
22:25
his rock told and it's not him? Did you not see his quote?
22:29
It was fucking melter as fuck. It was like he's been told from
22:32
people from a source and WE that's not the rock.
22:35
But they've also said that it's very guarded so they don't know
22:37
themselves. So then they don't know the
22:39
Dave. And if I didn't want Dave to
22:41
know, I would tell him it wasn't the rock.
22:43
Yeah, exactly. But it's like the whole like,
22:45
again, it was just everything, he says now.
22:47
It was just a contradiction within a contradiction, Yeah.
22:50
It is and I just recovery like I'm not Dave's biggest fan.
22:54
I do respect and listen to Brian Alvarez, who is on the Observer,
22:58
who I, you know, I don't always agree with him, but I do listen
23:00
to what he has to say and I find what he has to say interesting.
23:02
So it's not a case of what anti observer, but yeah, Dave, just
23:07
what's going on? My next positive was Punk
23:11
Reigns. I figured we've talked about how
23:13
much they've done the talk in the previous weeks.
23:15
And this week Reigns comes out. He's got the card in the point
23:18
in his hand, he's about to say something.
23:20
Punk comes out and just starts brain him.
23:24
Just loved this straight at the point.
23:25
Punk looked a bit crazed actually, which was cool to see.
23:29
Ready to sort of get revenge for last week.
23:31
And yeah, I'm ready for these two.
23:34
Mania as well now, right? If Mania was next week, I would
23:36
be all over it. I'm ready for me and I'm pumped
23:39
and I can't wait to watch it. Yeah, I thought it was good as
23:43
well. You know, they've done a lot of
23:44
talk and it was straight at the point, kind of Punk got his
23:46
receipt back from last week. And yeah, I think you've picked
23:48
out the bit that I enjoyed from it most, that Punk looked a bit
23:50
Chris. I really like when he was like
23:52
you'd already put him through the table and he was on top of
23:55
him punching him, going Roman, Roman Reigns as he was like
23:59
brain him and then like laughing.
24:01
So yeah, like, I think it's like that one hinged old man Punk.
24:04
I like it. I think I'll say it was really
24:06
short because I'd been watching it in segments when I was at
24:08
work. It just caught a pause it and
24:10
then I realized there's only 8 minutes left.
24:12
So do you know what I mean? That's kind of using your time
24:14
wisely that it was in and out in 8 minutes between Roman coming
24:17
out, Punk coming out through the table, brawl show ended.
24:20
And apparently after I went off the air, Punk was obviously
24:22
walking on the rear lens as it went off the air.
24:25
And apparently there was a Roman Reigns fan in front of him.
24:28
And if that's gone off the air, Punk's given the birds flipped
24:31
them off with the fingers. And then he's pretended to do
24:34
the stupid, like Superman recharge it on the hand, like
24:37
the, and then, like, pretend to like, wank off and come in his
24:40
face, if you know what I mean. That British taunt, he would do
24:43
it to somebody. So yeah, I don't know.
24:46
But obviously I assume he was OK to do that and it's fine.
24:50
I don't think there's going to be anything coming in his way
24:52
about very interesting times, I suppose.
24:54
Roman shared actually like the image where like Punk's eyes
24:57
look fucking stupid and he's and it's kind of mid throw in the
25:00
coma I would say and Roman just kind of captioned the pictures
25:03
saying this is your WWE champion.
25:05
Don't worry, I ended up Mania. Yeah.
25:07
So I feel that was probably a spot, like I'm going to do this
25:09
and you'll be able to use it later in social media pose, I
25:11
feel. Yeah, so he has.
25:13
So Roman has acknowledged it. Acknowledge me.
25:19
But yeah, I'm ready for these guys to throw down.
25:21
I thought Roman looks great, Punk looks crazed and great.
25:24
I think these two should have a great match at WrestleMania and
25:28
I'm very excited for it. I think both main events are
25:30
looking like for Night 1 and Night 2.
25:32
I feel the past we've had like 1's always been like like
25:35
Rooster Comic, the other. But like, both of these look
25:38
pumped up and I can't wait for both of them.
25:41
No, for like, you know, for the Internet saying that that there
25:45
was a massive kind of panic behind the scenes that because
25:47
nobody knew what was actually happening.
25:49
I think it's been building really nicely.
25:51
And obviously this might be down to time.
25:53
If it does, it doesn't happen. But we're talking before we
25:56
start recording that we might do like a special show where we'll
25:58
kind of rank the matches as what most looking forward to.
26:01
But kind of if at this moment in time, Punk Reigns is my number
26:05
one that I'm most looking forward to.
26:06
So yeah, definitely. And then I enjoy, I loved
26:13
Brock's presentation this week. That's my, this is my third
26:16
positive of the week. Brock came out ready to fight.
26:19
He had the gloves on, the shorts.
26:21
He looked jacked and ready. Brock looked bigger than ever,
26:23
to be fair, I thought, which is great.
26:25
I think he probably needs to be bigger than ever to fight over
26:27
family. And then I love the fact that we
26:29
sort of had it taken away. They win the ring, they're about
26:34
to face off. Obviously Triple H was shut it
26:36
down and said, no, we're going to WrestleMania.
26:39
So he's teased us all with it and they were ready to throw
26:41
hands, but then it didn't happen.
26:46
And yeah, I sort, I sort of, I sort of enjoyed that aspect of
26:49
it. I don't know whether it was more
26:50
mind games from Brock or whether he was actually going to throw
26:54
down or not. I'm on the side on that.
26:56
But yeah. And I think once we once we
26:58
actually get a maniac can see this being, I don't think it's
27:01
going to be one side. I think both might destroy each
27:03
other. Yeah, I was, I was talking to
27:06
Offer and George about this match today and I'd quite like
27:09
it to be like, can you remember the Goldberg Brock match at
27:12
WrestleMania, the one in Orlando?
27:13
So like the one years later where it was kind of hard
27:16
hitting, bit of a spot fest in and out.
27:19
Like I think that's the kind of blueprint they need to go for
27:21
for this match. Yeah, hit all the big moves,
27:25
both of them, and who was going to win is going to win, probably
27:27
over, probably overcoming I imagine.
27:30
Yeah, I thought over family look class taking out those security
27:32
guards as well. One of them took a fucking
27:33
naughty bomb like. Well, I mean, should we go to
27:37
negatives? Well, just quickly on the over
27:40
family thing because it I didn't mind it, but one people, one
27:43
thing people have been really critical of with all the Brock
27:46
thing was Triple H coming out to get involved.
27:47
What was your thoughts on that? I.
27:54
Know you only got between them but.
27:56
That's what I mean. One of my negatives were going.
27:58
It was like, how about at least two to three times every show
28:02
now, like security referees or agents are like trying to get in
28:07
the middle of brawls but then do absolutely nothing about it.
28:10
And general managers as well. So like, I feel like that
28:14
they're not really when they cannot shut things down, like no
28:17
one pays attention. So like, yeah, the honest
28:20
situation now is going to take Triple H to come and put his
28:23
face. And especially 2 big egos like
28:24
them too. I mean, Brock's a big ego and
28:26
Auba's a big man The Who we probably respect shortly.
28:31
It's a lot, right? And it's probably took him to
28:33
say no. You guys back down.
28:35
You're going to mania like I'm telling you, it's not these
28:38
little ponzis who will have look like a joke every week and that
28:41
that's me negative. I'm going to go into even the
28:43
general managers look like jokes now.
28:46
But yeah, they've looked like like the referees look like
28:48
jokes, the agents look like jokes, the security look like
28:51
jokes and the general managers look like jokes every week.
28:53
So yeah, it does take Triple H to come out to say no, he's
28:56
aren't fighting. Yeah, I agree with that as well.
28:59
And I saw, I don't know if this is kind of going too much into,
29:01
but I saw someone say like it was, it was like because
29:04
everyone else had tried and couldn't do it, so it needed
29:06
kind of the highest guy in the back to come out.
29:08
And also because Brock and Alba knew that he is untouchable
29:11
because he can't wrestle. So they respected triple HS
29:14
health problems. Do you think that's what they
29:16
were doing? Respected Triple HS don't.
29:18
Respect his health problems, I think.
29:20
I think the respect what he is and what he's done like, you
29:23
know, you know, I mean, you sacrifice a lot of business
29:26
that. Person's thought a lot about it
29:27
hasn't. I think so, yeah.
29:29
But like what's your thoughts on on that negative.
29:31
So basically for weeks now since we started the podcast and we've
29:35
been watching wrestling every week, like since February, I
29:37
feel it hasn't been one week or passway on both shores.
29:41
Security, rural agents and general managers, a company like
29:44
Stop the Brawl and they just they don't do anything.
29:47
Nobody. I mean, apparently he's fined
29:48
all by family like this week. But like that's not the point.
29:51
Like a few every week. It just they all come down in
29:53
the corner to control these brawls.
29:54
Like I feel just having brawl and if you're if these guys are
29:56
going to come out and do nothing, I know it's a joke that
29:59
like the extra talent or the security and they take the
30:02
bumps. It may be fair enough but then
30:04
but when the road agents are getting bumped and getting
30:06
ignored and like like. I'm pretty sure Roman raids
30:10
speared PT Williams on RAW. He did because Michael said
30:14
Petey Williams. Petey Williams has been speared,
30:16
which is never something you'd expect to hear on a 2026 episode
30:19
of Roles. So yeah, he did.
30:20
I, I mean, I think he can only do so much with authority
30:25
figures. But I think it more it's more of
30:27
a criticism of the book and that there's just been too many
30:30
brawls because there's been that many brawls that they've had to
30:33
have constantly throw these kind of, you know, in fucking air
30:35
quotations authority figures out that I think that's just maybe
30:39
being one brawl too many recently where like you say,
30:41
you've had Punk, you've or and you've had Cody, you've had Drew
30:45
Jacob Fatu kind of the care and live Morgan.
30:48
I have a beat down in a brawl this week.
30:50
So there has been a lot of that where every time they've made
30:53
that kind of create a decision to put the authority figure out.
30:56
So I think you restricted and I say, well, it's one we've talked
31:00
about a lot where I do think eventually Nick Aldous is going
31:03
to end up in the ring, but I still think we're a little while
31:06
away from that. So yeah, it does.
31:08
It's just, I think it's just, it's too much of it.
31:10
That's why I think it's it's obviously because too much
31:13
because you've noticed it to a point.
31:15
Yeah, my next negative is just. I do you know what's going on
31:21
with the Quebec virus? This was the this was the final
31:24
match on Raw, but it was the segment before the main event
31:27
segment, which was pumpkin rains, right?
31:29
So it was Raquel Rodriguez versus your sky completely
31:33
Warriors get involved. But I just think Raquel's won
31:36
the match. And I just think, no offence to
31:39
her, but like, you're tall, but you're not even like big.
31:43
Like you're not big like Jade and you're not big like NIA Jax
31:47
or Ash legend and you're not big like Ria Ripley.
31:49
You're just tall like in the ring, like, oh, you're that
31:54
good, like doing it wrong. She's a professional SRH, which
31:56
is which is good enough for that.
31:57
But there's nothing that you do and that's like exciting.
32:00
There's and I just feel that like I just followed the segment
32:04
like the match was a bit boring and the the URS ground was a bit
32:09
weird. And then Raquel, we didn't like
32:11
what does that do for anything? I just felt it was like it was
32:14
almost like, oh, it's a second before Reigns and Punk.
32:16
That's just like doing something like the swimming on the air.
32:19
Yeah, I agree with you. I think a lot of my negatives
32:22
this week are about like kind of some of the undercard bills for
32:25
WrestleMania. And I would include this one on
32:27
it because I think what the the purpose of this is that I think
32:30
they're going to build to ask your sky where I think, you
32:34
know, you put them to on pay by you'll think I'll be a good
32:36
match. But I just don't think they've
32:37
done enough to get people really interested in it.
32:41
And I think it's been a casualty of the fact that Bianca Bel Air
32:44
was still injured where you would have got Jade Bianca,
32:46
where they've had to kind of end the rear Ripley real, your Sky
32:51
tag team early. And then they've gone.
32:53
You know, your Sky is over, though.
32:55
She's worked really hard. We need to get her on the card.
32:58
So I think it's just a bit of like forcing your Sky on at the
33:01
card. And Oscar was kind of the best
33:03
option. Yeah.
33:06
And then to have a great match as well, So, but, but we need to
33:10
get there so we care about. It's my worry.
33:13
No, 100%. I don't think we really will.
33:15
I think it might lead to kind of Curry saying turn in on Oscar
33:20
after all the kind of emotional abuse.
33:22
But yeah, it's just something where it's a bit half hearted.
33:26
Like the match itself. I'm I'm sure it'll be fine, but
33:29
I don't think it's like, I don't think there's anything going to
33:31
happen between now and WrestleMania that's going to
33:34
make that match kind of anywhere close to something that I'm kind
33:36
of excited to see. And the kind of comments on
33:39
Raquel Rodriguez, like I kind of, I disagree with her to a
33:42
point because I think she is good.
33:44
Like without sounding like one of those people, but like if
33:46
you, if you can kind of watch some of our work in NXT, there's
33:49
some really good stuff there. Again with your sky actually.
33:53
So I wonder if that was kind of why they're thinking of putting
33:55
her in together because they know they've worked well
33:56
together in the past. And she's someone who seems that
33:59
kind of she does put a lot of work into it.
34:01
I remember, you know, reference Kevin Nash a lot, but Kevin Nash
34:04
kind of made a critique about her not working stiff enough and
34:07
she kind of responded saying like, you know, if Big daddy
34:09
cool saying that I'll take it on board and I'll I'll improve.
34:12
And I think it's just she works well as Liv Morgan's heat out.
34:16
But I think they just haven't fully worked out how to push out
34:18
yet. But I do think there is a better
34:22
kind of superstar in Raquel Rodriguez and that then has been
34:25
presented on the main roster. And I think we might get there
34:28
eventually, and I hope that we do.
34:31
We will see. We will see.
34:33
And then my last negative is it's sort of not really
34:37
negative. I think how it's come about to
34:39
negative, but I think actually the match at WrestleMania, I'm
34:42
probably excited to watch and see these two got it.
34:45
But I feel Rollins and Gunther. So I feel like we have
34:51
absolutely like they've obviously waited to see if Bronn
34:54
could get cleared and because he hasn't put Gunther in there,
34:57
which is, you know, great. And you know, Gunther and
35:00
Rollins on paper sounds fantastic.
35:02
I must see match right? But why it's negative is that
35:06
like let's just see if Braun did get fit and cleared, where would
35:10
could that be? What was he just waiting the
35:12
wings to see if he was either around?
35:15
Yeah, 100%. I think that one's just like
35:17
totally been unlucky, hasn't it? We've touched on it already kind
35:19
of in the weeks gone where like big injury problems is kind of
35:22
scope, but that obviously Gunther and Ray, obviously
35:25
Rollins, Brom breaker, maybe he's gone.
35:27
That doesn't get on the card. If Rollins didn't get cleared
35:30
again, I think the match will be good, but I think it's a strange
35:35
one because because obviously gun does like this Uber heel
35:38
who's, you know, retired all your heroes and Rollins has only
35:41
just come back and when he went off he was a heel as well.
35:44
So I just think like I think people all struggle to care that
35:47
much for Rollins in this match unless the unless swimming mega
35:52
happens in the lead up do it, which again, I can't really see
35:54
happening. So yeah, it's a massive negative
35:56
for me because you've got two kind of two of the best in ring
35:59
workers in the company like today in the have clearly just
36:03
been thrown together. And again, I was thinking that
36:06
like Paul him and someone who I think needs some time off TVI
36:10
feel like his old presentation and act is very stale.
36:14
And I just feel like you're probably going to get him in
36:15
aligned with gun theft for a couple of weeks, not long term.
36:19
But again, so then it's just more human where I feel like I
36:22
was kind of hoping when Rollins first took him out, that was him
36:25
off TV for a bit. Because I think it's that I
36:27
think that kind of act is done for a while.
36:30
So I hope I don't think there will, but I hope like Gunther
36:34
like next week is like nothing to do with Paul Heyman.
36:37
There was an opportunity to take you out signing a match
36:38
Romanian. I'm doing it and I want to fight
36:41
the best people and end them. So it's nothing to do with Paul
36:43
Heyman. But I'm coming for you, Seth.
36:45
And then have Seth have to focus on Gunther and we can come back
36:49
round to the to the Paul Heyman and Bron thing later down the
36:56
line, I suppose. I think you're right.
36:57
I think the vision now being the tag team trap means you can push
37:00
them as A tag team. I think.
37:02
I think they're a good tag team. I don't know what your thoughts
37:06
on them as A tag team, but I think I think they don't need to
37:08
be the vision, the group that can be the vision, the tag team
37:10
and do well as a heel tag team, no. 100%, I think them two
37:15
together, there's potential there, but that was one of my
37:17
negatives. We talked about it last week.
37:20
The fact that, you know, the Usos have now dropped the
37:22
titles. Are they even going to be on the
37:24
Mania card? Yes, it looks like it is.
37:26
But it looks like it's going to be a hokey 6 man tag match with
37:29
IO speed, which I just have no interest in it all.
37:32
Like I get the IO speed thing. I get he's not for me.
37:35
He's he's for the kids. And when he was in the Rumble, I
37:38
thought he was excellent. You know, he did his spot well,
37:40
but like, yeah, like the goal from kind of being in the Punk
37:45
storyline for a couple of weeks, you know, reuniting.
37:50
He was the world champion. He won the world title last year
37:52
at WrestleMania. It's a huge drop off.
37:54
That isn't it? If that's kind of the end goal,
37:56
kind of the Usos and Ellie Knight versus the Vision in
37:59
actual speed. And it's it's a shame for Ellie
38:00
Knight as well, because again, kind of those rumours that might
38:04
be him first in Brockett Mania, kind of a lot of people wanted
38:07
him to see the win the title by now.
38:08
And now he's kind of just in a hokey feud with a fucking
38:11
YouTube. Yeah.
38:14
No, I think it's definitely I mean, if you remember when we
38:16
went to will be money in the bank weekend in London when he
38:21
was like so old van that didn't pull the trigger then on early
38:24
night and maybe they should have done and then here we are now
38:27
where it's cool off a lip. He's still over, but he's it's
38:29
cool off. It's not the mega over he was
38:31
then, and like again, maybe in a few years time he's cursed by
38:37
the wrestling gods because maybe he never gets a chance to win
38:40
the big one. I think it's done like as in I
38:44
think that time has passed now. Like if you look at how stacked
38:47
the cards on stuff, like I don't think he wins the world title
38:50
now. I think it is, yeah, Kind of a
38:53
little bit of cursed by the wrestling cards with things
38:55
we're kind of time and age, you know, if you believe unreal or
38:59
in script, whatever it's called. Kind of when he got pulled for
39:01
how he messed up in the Money in the Bank ladder match.
39:03
Yeah. I think there's a few moments
39:05
already that you can kind of pick out and think, yeah, it's
39:08
not. I think I think that moment's
39:10
past, unfortunately. It's a shame because I think
39:11
he's great. I really like him.
39:12
He's like a throwback to kind of an attitude your type character
39:15
that you can work in the ring. He looks great.
39:17
So yeah, I think it is a massively missed opportunity and
39:19
I think it's kind of yeah be interesting to see what the next
39:22
kind of two, one to two years look for earlier night it.
39:26
Certainly is. Any more positives from
39:28
yourself? Yeah, so Mike dropping in AW off
39:32
Will Offspring and the John Moxley feud.
39:35
Obviously Moxley took out Offspring, which is when he went
39:38
off and have his neck surgeries. He's back and I think Offspring
39:41
has kind of come back looking a bit meaner, a bit less bruv.
39:44
He's got a vendetta. He's going to take out the death
39:46
Riders. I did enjoy him seeing that Pack
39:48
was a liar, that they've never shook hands and he's like a
39:51
typical Geordie lying through the butt of his teeth that
39:52
didn't take it offensely, I thought was good.
39:55
And Osprey is looking a bit bit more dangerous, which I think is
39:58
kind of what they need. I think he beats Moxley as well.
40:01
And I think the kind of doing what I thought they would have
40:03
done last time round in London, where I think this is Offspring
40:06
getting ready to kind of go to all in in London and beat MGF
40:10
for the title. I think that's where that leads
40:11
to. And I think it's cool to see,
40:13
except they are a big fan of Offspring.
40:15
Yeah, I think we've seen them live a couple of times.
40:17
I think I've said on the podcast before, whenever I've watched,
40:21
well, Osprey in person, I always come away thinking, have I just
40:26
watched the best wrestler in the world right now?
40:29
And I'm not his biggest fan? Like I am a fan of him and he's
40:33
great. But like, you know, Brett's my
40:34
favorite, right? So he's not my favorite, but
40:36
every time I watch him live, I have that thought.
40:40
When I walk away, I go, I'll just watch the best wrestler in
40:42
the world right now wrestle like so that's that's how good he is.
40:46
And that would be huge if he was to win the big one at Wembley
40:49
Stadium. I think that would cement AW UK
40:54
legacy. I think they're doing big shows
40:56
and delivering big moments for its UK and European wrestling
40:59
fans, so we'll see if they go that way.
41:03
I think it's the the better bet because I think kind of watching
41:07
AW week to week, I think it'll I think I think this is what
41:10
they're setting up for off speed of face MGF bought.
41:13
I think in the background they're kind of still thinking
41:16
about pulling the trigger on Derby Allen as well champion.
41:18
And I don't mind Derby Allen, but I think I don't think him as
41:24
as world Championship as as the world champion for AW does
41:27
anything for them kind of to kind of get more eyes on the
41:31
product. I think he's very much kind of
41:34
what the hardcore fanbase love, but I think it's also sometimes
41:37
the kind of thing that holds AW back, whereas I think Will
41:40
Ospreys has got a lot more mainstream appeal in the same
41:43
way that MGF does with So I think them two going up against
41:46
each other kind of, you know, working the heel in the face.
41:48
I think they're the two biggest stars that you can see are kind
41:51
of exclusive DW and the company. I think that's the right way to
41:54
go with it. And I think kind of having this
41:56
feud with the Death Riders and kind of face and kind of Moxley,
41:59
who's a bit of a final boss in AW now is kind of a the great
42:03
build to keep him going. And I know MGF's got a much more
42:06
Kenny Omega as well, which would be a kind of that good notch in
42:08
his belt when he beat so much. I think you will.
42:11
So yeah, I think it's kind of, it looks like a bit of a long
42:13
build because August is a while away.
42:15
But yeah, I hope that's where it's leading to.
42:18
Where do you think the Death Rye hasn't actually go after this?
42:20
Because they've sort of lost a bit of steam you could see on
42:24
television over the last few months.
42:26
Yeah, I think it's I think it's coming to its natural conclusion
42:29
where I think it'll be maybe a bit of time off for Moxley and
42:32
then the kind of everyone goes the separate ways because I
42:34
think it's not that great of a stable.
42:36
Like I think Daniel Garcia shit actually he's still got who I've
42:40
just never been able to get into and we are you as OK, but I
42:43
think he's been exposed a bit being around the bigger guys
42:46
that like as in top guys that he's not that bad.
42:48
He hasn't got that in them and obviously, you know, Claudio's
42:52
Claudio, isn't he? You'll be fine whatever he does.
42:54
And he's doing a lot of stuff with CMCMCMLL at the moment.
42:58
He's the champion there. So yeah, I think it's kind of
43:01
coming to a natural conclusion. I think it could maybe fizzle
43:04
out after the Moxley Osprey match in a couple of weeks.
43:09
Any more positives? No, you've hit them all, I say.
43:13
I had pretty similar. It was exactly the same,
43:15
actually. I had the Orton, I had over, I
43:17
had punk and then my extra was just little AW, dive in.
43:21
And do we cover all your negatives?
43:23
No. So my other main one that I'll
43:25
touch on, well, now there's two actually be fair.
43:27
So the first one was Carmelo Hayes dropping the US title to
43:30
Sami Zayn. So I think they've done a really
43:33
good job with that U.S. Open challenge between like him
43:36
and Dragon off. And obviously Sami Zayn started
43:39
before that. They've kind of hotshot of the
43:41
title onto 1 so that he could have Trick Williams versus Sami
43:44
Zayn at WrestleMania. But that feud was there already.
43:47
It didn't need the belt. And I think it's a shame that
43:50
you've had someone like Carmelo Hayes doing all this hard work
43:53
and it's now looking like you might not be on the card.
43:56
Like I say, there's still three shows before then.
43:59
So maybe he's Carmel gets the belt back, maybe kind of Trick
44:02
Williams helps them, and then you just have trick versus
44:04
Sammy's in without the belt. But yeah, I just thought they'd
44:08
done more than enough for that match where like, I was actually
44:10
looking forward to Trick Williams versus Sammy's in and
44:12
it just didn't need the US Championship, especially when it
44:14
had been getting kind of represented so well.
44:17
I do know what you mean. I didn't think the match was
44:20
fantastic. I thought Sammy and coming over
44:24
here has had a fantastic match. But yeah, like I feel that
44:28
animosity has been room for weeks between them two, right.
44:30
So for Trick trick and some you could have had that be a good
44:34
match. 100% Trick Williams has got a huge upside.
44:37
There wasn't any like he's like future world champion in the
44:40
next 18 months. Like he's up.
44:41
He's so over with the crowd. He looks great, he's
44:44
charismatic. Like, I'm a big, big fan of
44:46
Trick Williams. Yeah, and he's looking like he's
44:48
looking big, like bigger than he was before.
44:51
I think he's taking that seriously on the main roster
44:52
about looking like a heavyweight champion, if that makes sense.
44:56
No, he does. He looks the part.
44:57
There's like there's no, there's no downside to him.
44:59
He can talk, he can go, and he looks great.
45:01
Like, yeah, like there's absolutely nothing holding him
45:03
back. Any other negatives?
45:08
Yeah, so again, it's much to do a build.
45:10
So the IC title ladder match that's been announced for
45:13
WrestleMania. So I've kind of said in the past
45:15
like I really like a multi man ladder match at Mania.
45:17
I kind of wish it was still the money in the bank.
45:19
I don't mind it being for the IC title.
45:21
I just think that it was like Penta come out and said that oh,
45:25
it's a ladder match. And then after the Raw went out,
45:28
they were like, Oh yeah, the people who are in the ladder
45:29
match, which is JD McDonough, Rousseff, Dragon Lee and Javon
45:33
Evans, they'd all qualified on a pre recorded main event.
45:37
So when like I've said, when you've still got another two
45:40
shows to go, I just felt you could have built that no
45:43
problem. Like you've seen it done in the
45:45
past before where you could just have all them kind of arguing.
45:47
Maybe he's a bit of a brawl and then you know that also there's
45:50
too many, but your GM comes out and says right at WrestleMania
45:52
he's can all face each other a lot of much.
45:54
But yeah, it just seemed like a bit of a strange way to set that
45:57
match up. I think they've tried to make
46:01
Panda sound air crazy and be like the fans hero, like giving
46:05
the fans what they want. Like that's that's what they've
46:07
tried to do with it. I think you have Penta announced
46:10
that he wants to do that, but I think you could have the
46:13
qualifying matches on the next few weeks and I feel there's
46:17
room for more, right? I think you could put more on
46:19
that other match, right? Well, yeah, because that was
46:22
another thing I was going to say because they've already
46:24
announced that Pentas defending the IC title, an upcoming AAA
46:28
show against the Kingo. So I think he gets out of that
46:31
match as well, which I think will be really cool.
46:34
And I think it kind of helps more positive that I'm always
46:37
kind of bind the drum for that. Like the WWE AAA kind of merge
46:41
is a good thing, especially if you get like one of their
46:43
biggest stars in an icy title match at WrestleMania.
46:46
So it will be interesting to see you, like you say, who's
46:49
actually in that match when it went once that bell rings at
46:51
WrestleMania. Do you feel that's a bit too on
46:55
the nose? I see like all the pre recorded
46:57
main event so we know who's will be.
47:00
The word is it that way, but that's how it's come out.
47:02
So like it's just because obviously everyone RAW was like,
47:05
how was that happened? But then I saw main event goes
47:08
out tonight, I think. And yeah, although all them all
47:10
was all qualifying matches, but they've already announced the
47:14
graphic on RAW. So I don't know if that's just
47:16
saying that they've messed up, but yeah.
47:18
No, I think that I don't think I have messed up, but like the
47:22
have done nothing. Then those sort of reference are
47:24
like, yeah, those matches had taken place.
47:26
Thoughts. That's how on MPs knew.
47:29
So we'll see. It's a bit crazy.
47:33
One thing obviously you're talking about trying to sort of
47:36
spread the awareness of AAA. It doesn't look like Dom versus
47:41
Finnbala is for the AAA world title.
47:44
I feel that it probably should be to get even more eyes on the
47:48
product, right? Do you think that'll gather?
47:51
Yeah. I don't, I think, I think it's
47:54
far not definitely only it will like because I say I think the
47:56
like to kind of dip the toes in the north, but I have
47:59
essentially another world title match for another promotion on a
48:02
WrestleMania. I'd be very surprised at that.
48:05
I think Don might even lose it beforehand with Bala turning up
48:08
in Tripoli to kind of add to that feud because I say there is
48:12
another AAA show before WrestleMania.
48:16
Very interesting. I'll be interesting to see what
48:18
happens there. What do you want me prediction
48:21
for the money in the backlatter match, though, Yes, not money in
48:24
the bank, the icy title match because just kind of other
48:26
things that I've been cooking in the background.
48:28
I think coffee helps. Javon wins, and Javon does join
48:31
a new version of the New Day. How far is Woods from coming
48:37
back? Is that long term?
48:39
I don't know, I've got no idea on that one.
48:42
But yeah, because it's something that they're still sticking with
48:44
In the IC title match with Kofi and Penta was kind of the
48:47
comment we did a good job of seeing.
48:48
Kofi had asked it because he wants Javon in The New Day and
48:51
lead as lead by example. So he wanted to win the gold to
48:54
show Javon that's where he needs to be.
48:55
So like the arcs sticking away at that.
48:57
And I feel like Javon Evans needs that because he's he's
49:01
very young, very talented. He isn't that great on the
49:04
microphone yet. And I think maybe he's putting
49:06
them in there with The New Day as kind of the the main singles
49:09
guy. I think that could be really
49:11
good for him for a year. So I think Javon Evans wins the
49:14
IC title mania with coffees help.
49:17
That would be huge. And what's your thoughts on
49:19
Grayson well as he sell around with this gang or does he move
49:22
on? Nah, I think he's gone.
49:23
He's in other words, a shame because again, like in the NXT,
49:26
he was, I think he had a lot of potential and he looked like the
49:29
better of the two with Austin Theory.
49:31
But again, yeah, I don't know if they've kind of tried everything
49:34
they want to try with him in his moments past was a shame.
49:36
But yeah, I think that might be part of like the heel turn the
49:39
next night on Raw, the kick Waller out as well.
49:44
Keep the new days, mega heels. Yeah.
49:47
I like the sound of that. Any other thoughts for we can
49:51
review? No, not buffet on everything the
49:54
put the good and the bad. We have indeed.
49:56
It was a. It was a it was a packed week
49:57
with a lot of good stuff. I think obviously our next
50:02
segment is a moment in time. This is where we look at a
50:04
wrestling match or a moment or an event.
50:08
We think it's great that maybe doesn't get talked about as much
50:11
as it should typically be matches.
50:14
And it's a match again this week, Luke, you chose a moment
50:18
in time. I don't know if you want to
50:19
introduce it to the audience. I did, yeah.
50:22
So I've chose the three Stages of Hell match with Triple H
50:25
versus Stone Cold Steve Austin at No Way Out 2001.
50:31
I'm really glad you picked this match.
50:32
I think, you know, you think our Stone Cold Triple, that's a big
50:35
match. It doesn't really fit what we're
50:37
talking about when we talk about moment in time.
50:39
But I think running out where this match is, you don't have
50:41
people talk about as much because it's in between Royal
50:44
Rumble and WrestleMania that WrestleMania is rocking Austin
50:47
and that's where Austin's going next.
50:48
He's already he's taking a WrestleMania, right?
50:51
And he's going to fight the Rocket WrestleMania.
50:53
This is also the blow off to Rikisha.
50:55
You would know that someone called Steve Austin.
50:57
So it's like it's a blow off for Triple H in Austin.
51:02
But Austin goes straight into the main event of WrestleMania
51:03
after this and then Triple H moves on to something different
51:06
as well. So that's why I think it gets
51:08
forgotten hard, because by the time you get the Mania, this is
51:10
over, no? 100% and I think that, you know,
51:15
when you think of Austin, you think of the Rock, but I think
51:18
Triple H is Austin's greatest rival.
51:20
I think they were. I think the reason I think that
51:23
is because Triple H was kind of the Vince McMahon who was more
51:27
athletic, even though he wasn't playing it on TV then he was
51:30
still kind of this more authority figure and people kind
51:32
of knew that, you know, the online culture.
51:35
So kind of I think it was still kind of a continuation on of
51:37
like Austin being the kind of working class blue collar hero
51:41
against the kind of upper class management stick near to the man
51:44
type of thing. And there's kind of loads of
51:45
good matches between them two. And like you say, obviously it
51:47
was revealed that it was Triple H.
51:49
You kind of paid rikishi to run the rock over.
51:52
And I think sometimes when people kind of talk about
51:54
Austin, they forget kind of how important to especially to his
51:58
later career like Triple H actually is.
52:00
Because obviously we'll go into this match in detail.
52:02
But after this match, you've said Austin wins the title of
52:04
Mania, but he does that by turn and heal.
52:07
And then the next night on Raw, Triple H and Austin team
52:09
together for the two manpower trip.
52:12
So it's kind of a bit of a bit of about things are about a
52:15
shift with regards to Austin. And I think, like I said,
52:17
definitely the later part of his career, Triple H is a big part
52:20
of the things Austin does. A huge part definitely.
52:23
I agree with all of that and I think even Austin coming back,
52:28
obviously you know, he was written off TV with being run
52:30
over by Rikishi. Austin comes back, he fuser
52:33
Rikishi sort of mentions the Rock a bit bookies taking a
52:36
WrestleMania fuser Triple H once he finds out Triple H is the one
52:39
who paid Rikishi to hold him over and they feud.
52:43
You know, Austin return and Rachel's like in tackle to all
52:46
of the storyline of Austin's return, which is probably one of
52:50
the biggest returns in wrestling history, right?
52:53
100% and what I like about the build up is that like it shows
52:56
the silliness of wrestling. So kind of the things that led
53:00
to this match, like if you walk into a police station and said
53:03
this, or if you walk into a police station, it's Triple H,
53:05
you could say that. Hello.
53:06
I'd like to make a complaint about a man called Stone Cold
53:08
Steve Austin. He's doing attempted murder on
53:10
his by putting us in a car and rising up in a forklift and
53:13
dropping it. He's assaulted my wife in front
53:15
of his and he's caused his progression within my workplace.
53:18
Can you arrest him, please? Yes, we will, Sir.
53:20
He sounds like a maniac. Silly, isn't it?
53:24
It is but also awesome to go to the police and say this man
53:27
hired a contract killer to run the old one.
53:29
Trying killers. A big Samoan.
53:32
And and then beat up my disabled friend Jim Ross.
53:35
Did, Yeah, did. Just did beat him up.
53:37
So it was tit for tat wasn't it? And it also had one of those old
53:40
school wrestling tropes in the build up as well where a couple
53:42
of weeks before Vince said neither man can touch the other.
53:45
And I think that I was the don't do that much, which is good
53:48
because it would get tiresome. But that's a nice little kind of
53:50
added thing in like a big feud where like you can't touch each
53:53
other till the match because it builds it up.
53:55
And that was what kind of lead Stone called the stunner and
53:57
Stephanie because Triple H couldn't do anything.
53:58
And he that you sold that quite well of just like the
54:00
frustration and the devastation. That is why he's being attacked
54:03
and he can't do absolutely nothing about it.
54:05
Definitely retaliation. Tribute attacked GR because he
54:09
need to get back in Austin. I loved how he put that troop in
54:13
but it worked for both of them. I sometimes think they do it, it
54:15
just helps the heal. But I feel this help them both.
54:17
Like, no, you're both going to get frustrated to where it's
54:20
going to come to big heads at the PIT review. 100% So if we
54:25
had, we'll dive into the match because it was quite a long one.
54:27
It's about 39 minutes. So all right, if I just kind of
54:29
run through the match kind of with the important bits, then
54:32
we'll go from there. What do you reckon?
54:34
Absolutely, but I don't want to run through the card first.
54:37
Yes, yes, we'll do that. We'll do that.
54:39
So the matches are on the shows because I watch the full card.
54:42
Actually it was Big Short beat Raven for the hardcore title.
54:46
Lots of hardcore silliness and in that match I forgot that
54:49
there was a bit where Raven had a ninja.
54:50
Can you remember any Ravens ninja?
54:52
No, I don't remember Ravens ninja.
54:54
I feel like I showed. The Raven, yeah, Raven had a
54:56
ninja and I liked how he was announced to the ringers from
54:59
the Bowery. Very nonspecific.
55:01
Great feel for Way for the IC title.
55:03
Chris Jericho will be Chris Benoir, Eddie Guerrero and X
55:05
Pack so proper, you know, workhorse guys in a for the
55:08
workhorse title, Stephanie McMahon, Beatrice Stratus in a
55:11
match that was kind of a lot better than it had any right to
55:14
be. Obviously you had the three
55:15
stages of hell. You then had Steven Richards
55:17
versus Jerry Lola Richards had Ivory, Lola had the cat.
55:22
This would actually end up being Lola's last show for a while
55:25
because the sack the cat and he walked out with her.
55:28
So that kind of leads to Paul him and debuting as a
55:31
commentator in the build up that WrestleMania Dudley Boys be
55:35
Undertaker and Kane in edging Christian and then in the main
55:38
event to set up Austin versus The Rock, The Rock be Kurt Angle
55:41
for the WWF Championship. So again, stacked card, wasn't
55:44
it? Very stuck in the fact that this
55:46
match isn't right in the middle of show even though it's such a
55:49
great match. Just tells you how good
55:51
wrestling was at this time. Oh, I mean, if you just look at
55:54
that, I mean, picking out a big show, Jericho, Benoir, Guerrero,
55:59
take Kane, Edge and Christie and Rock, Kurt Angle.
56:02
Do you know what I mean? Like the role, if they're not
56:04
already in the Hall of Fame yet, they're all going to be.
56:06
And it does. I think it's a real kind of,
56:08
it's that back end of the attitude here.
56:10
I starve a new era, huge boom period where you've got all
56:12
these guys still at the top of the game.
56:15
Absolutely agree with that. And then yeah, so obviously
56:18
we'll we'll dive into the mass. I always, I do.
56:20
I had a little look see what was going on the rest of the world.
56:22
So UK number ones in February, very very would tie in for us
56:26
start the month it was rolling by Limp Bizkit.
56:29
Makes perfect sense in this time period.
56:32
Exactly, and that month ended with Atomic Hit and hold again,
56:34
so very different month in the UK charts.
56:36
Biggest selling drink in the UK was Sunny Delight.
56:39
I like that fact because that was definitely something I used
56:41
to choke down while watching the wrestling big selling games with
56:46
Portmont Gold in GTA 3. So would you, would Little Pete,
56:49
you being swigging as Sunny Delight, play in Portmont Gold
56:51
just before you watch this paper view, do you think?
56:54
So I had Pokémon silver. Well, yeah, there was gold and
56:58
silver. My mistake.
56:59
Yeah, I think gold must have just outsold that one.
57:01
Then it. Would have done.
57:02
Yeah, I think that's why I had silver.
57:04
But so sunny delight. In my household.
57:07
I was only allowed at certain times because it was deemed as
57:09
an expensive purchase, so it. Was I was only allowed it at me
57:14
Nana's house because I had too many ES in it.
57:16
I mean doesn't like preservatives, not drugs.
57:18
Me Nana wasn't listing me drinking with ecstasy.
57:21
So yeah, she used to buys it because she didn't know she just
57:24
saw as an orange drink. So it must be good for his.
57:26
So I'll be like, yeah, keep that coming.
57:28
Yeah, so I wasn't allowed to eat them as I have our good notes on
57:31
them. Like I wasn't allowed red pop
57:33
and I wasn't allowed sweet to E numbers.
57:34
So sunny delight I did get, but it would be like a monthly treat
57:39
and it was something that you get once a month on and
57:41
sometimes it could be revoked if it'd be naughty, if it'd be
57:45
naughty. Mama Christie and Paul sometimes
57:48
like remove the sunny delight. No, something to like and bought
57:50
in the shop. Yeah, so I always this much or
57:53
sticks on me had that, really enjoyed it, but it could be
57:55
partly down the fire. I was off me tits on Sunny
57:57
delight. So yeah.
57:58
But no, I've rewatched the batch and it was just as good.
58:00
So we'll jump into it for the match itself there.
58:03
OK. Before so in wasn't the like 2
58:06
main flavors Sunny Sunny delight?
58:09
One of them was like Orlando something.
58:11
It was Florida. It was Florida based because
58:13
that was exciting to us because I hadn't been to Florida yet.
58:15
It was like. Florida, something in California
58:17
something. Wasn't it like different types
58:18
of orange? Yeah.
58:19
Yeah, it was so I wasn't as bother California that wasn't
58:21
appealing, but a drink of Florida when I was still in the
58:24
heart of horse me biggest dream in life to go oh, that was
58:27
exciting times during and that yeah, you're a California and
58:29
Florida. Want a time to be alive?
58:32
We brought it back a little while, but it's not the same.
58:34
Because of the E numbers, they can't put them in anymore.
58:37
The world's moved on, so it's never going to be the same.
58:40
What that walk nonsense? I had drink 10 bottles of it
58:43
just to get a buzz to watch this match.
58:45
It's not the same. Now I definitely would be now 10
58:48
bottles. There was no budget for that
58:49
Madam's household. Well, that's why I think it
58:52
tripped me, Nana, you know, because the sunny delighted come
58:54
in. Like what You would get orange
58:55
juice. They did it in like 2 litre
58:57
bottles. Know how you like a pint of
58:58
orange juice? I think she thought it was that.
59:00
Well. Tricked her and you got the good
59:02
tasty times. I got the good tasty times, but
59:05
on the match, I like the little throwaway line in the build up
59:07
to it, it was 2 enemies, 3 stages of hell because that's
59:11
2-3. You see, that works, doesn't it?
59:14
But yeah, so the batch starts, obviously I say they haven't
59:16
been able to touch each other. So Austin straight down Brawl
59:18
from the bell, early pedigree attempt, Austin hits it into an
59:21
arm breaker. And again, because this is a
59:23
straight up wrestling match, the first one, Austin continues to
59:26
work the shoulder, which again, we've kind of touched on a bit
59:29
of kind of psychology on other matches where I don't think you
59:31
see it as much because then Triple H then works the knee of
59:34
Austin, because this is a wrestling match, hits a Figure
59:37
4, again, working the knee, nice little head smashes into the
59:40
turnbuckle from Austin to Triple H always look great with anyone
59:43
with long hair. So Triple H's hair's bouncing
59:45
back, the hair's flying everywhere.
59:47
Austin goes for the stunner stops, Triple H spins them
59:50
around, but Austin manages to get a sweet looking clothesline
59:53
off. Then the thought, which I can't
59:54
remember from this match was all is that Triple H does a roll up,
59:57
tries to use the tights, Austin does a roll up.
59:59
It was quite cool seeing. Two big guys do that.
1:00:02
It's something you'd maybe think of someone like kind of like a
1:00:04
mid card move, maybe smaller guys, but those two are doing it
1:00:07
in that match. Then Triple H goes on top term
1:00:09
but Will goes for an axe handle smash into a Stoner 123.
1:00:13
Austin wins the 1st fall. So what did you think of people
1:00:16
doing in the stages then? So what did you think of that
1:00:19
first fall? The straightforward wrestling
1:00:20
match. I just love the psychology and
1:00:23
how it was put together. So Austin comes out and as he
1:00:25
said, you know, he tries to go like brawl style, which is his
1:00:28
style, and he gets away with that for the first part of the
1:00:31
match. Then Triple H is able to turn it
1:00:32
around into more of a wrestling match.
1:00:34
And the commentary are very much building the story of it being
1:00:36
like, if this stays a wrestling match, Triple H should win or
1:00:40
has the upper hand to maybe win, But then like, Austin ends up
1:00:44
getting the pinfall. So it's a bit like it's
1:00:46
juxtaposed all over the place and it's entertaining as hell.
1:00:49
And it's like, Oh my God, like these two are going to give each
1:00:51
other hell. We're seeing the word hell
1:00:53
because it's 3 stages of hell, right?
1:00:55
But yeah, I loved how Austin tried to take it to a brawl and
1:00:57
did for a bit to have the other hand.
1:00:59
It turns back into a wrestling match where you think it should
1:01:02
then win it, but then Austin flips it at the end.
1:01:05
Perfect story. 100% And then it goes into the next 4, which is a
1:01:09
street fight. And I clicked on straight away
1:01:11
that the second that they've had the little breather, they go
1:01:14
straight outside. And I realized that like for
1:01:16
that straight wrestler match, it was more or less all in the ring
1:01:18
because it was a wrestling match.
1:01:20
And then the street fight start in the straight of the outside.
1:01:22
So not only the straight of the outside, Austin hits 2 nasty
1:01:25
looking suplexes on the ramp. You can see the great marks on
1:01:28
Triple H's back kind of brawl around the ring.
1:01:31
Old fashioned big monitor to the head of Austin.
1:01:33
It just doesn't look the same. The tablet or an iPod does it
1:01:35
that now. So always enjoy seeing all clips
1:01:38
with the old monitor. Obviously after he's been hit
1:01:41
with that, it brawls into the crowd, goes back into the ring,
1:01:44
Chair shot from Triple H to Austin.
1:01:47
Sorry, chair shots from Austin to Triple H because Triple H is
1:01:50
getting no offense. And now that's a street fight.
1:01:52
He hits about 10 chair shots to Triple H Big shot to Triple H's
1:01:56
ribs with the with the game with that the back outside the ring.
1:02:02
Austin then pulls out Bobby. The bit of the four by four
1:02:05
wrapped in barbed wire goes to hit Triple H with a Triple H
1:02:08
gets a low blow in it. Bobby gets hit off Austin's head
1:02:12
instead, which busts Austin clean open, and it's the famous
1:02:16
bald man, sweaty blood pouring everywhere to create images in
1:02:19
Austin Bleeding. Yeah, it's like that image that
1:02:21
Brett Hart in Austin made famous way back at WrestleMania, and
1:02:26
it's iconic. And here we go.
1:02:28
Austin's a bloody mess, sweaty mess, but we know that does not
1:02:32
stop Stone cold. If anything, it powers them on
1:02:34
even further. Yeah, Triple H manager, there's
1:02:37
a big old punch which flies off and over the table.
1:02:40
Triple H gets them on the announce table for a pedigree.
1:02:43
He reverses it. Lovely back body drop through
1:02:45
the Spanish announce table, Jr. said.
1:02:47
Because they don't mention that anymore.
1:02:48
Do the the Spanish announce table?
1:02:50
Correct. Yeah, it's not.
1:02:52
It's not. I might be wrong, but I feel
1:02:54
like it doesn't get referred to as a Spanish announce table.
1:02:56
The second one now. I haven't heard it in a while.
1:03:00
Yeah, so Triple H backdrop for the table.
1:03:01
Austin grabs a beer, bashes in Triple H's head back in the
1:03:05
ring. Austin hits him with the ring
1:03:07
bell, Triple H kicks out. Triple H managed to get himself
1:03:10
back up, neck breaker on the chair to Austin.
1:03:12
Austin kicks out. Backdrop on the chair, Triple H
1:03:15
Triple H kicks out. Then we get a Pedigree, which is
1:03:19
reversed and he's thrown to the outside, but Austin had a rabid
1:03:21
dog straight back on him on the outside.
1:03:24
Steel steps are reduced, so Austin gets the seal.
1:03:27
Steps to the head of Austin. So you know, Austin gets the
1:03:30
steel. Steps to the head of Triple H
1:03:31
Triple H is now busted open. We've both got them busted open.
1:03:35
Triple H grabs the sledgehammer from the commentary table and
1:03:38
joyed the King, asking Triple H asking Jr. if he'd hid the
1:03:42
sledgehammer there for Austin to use, which Jr. said he hadn't.
1:03:46
Back in the ring, Triple H goes for the sledgehammer.
1:03:52
Austin dodges it, tries to hit a stunner, reversed sledge him out
1:03:56
of the head. Pedigree 123.
1:03:59
Triple H wins the 2nd fall and the street fight.
1:04:01
So how what did you think of that street fight?
1:04:03
Because there's a lot in there. The walls and I think everything
1:04:06
he said is back on. So I love the fact it's straight
1:04:09
to the outside. Vicious suplexes on the ramp and
1:04:11
this is the old school ramp and no give and you can see the
1:04:14
brutality of it. Austin's taken the street fight
1:04:17
to Triple H and the company came up here in that story.
1:04:20
Like I said, the 1st 4 was meant to favour Triple H but Austin
1:04:23
actually won. This second four will feed a
1:04:25
Stone cold and the match does save a stone cold.
1:04:28
The result doesn't but the match does and he he really gives a
1:04:31
lot of damage to Triple HI Think introducing Barbie, it sort of
1:04:36
pays home much. Triple H's previous street
1:04:38
fights with Cactus Jack. So I like it was like very
1:04:40
poetic. So I told a really good story.
1:04:45
Obviously we've talked about Austin being busted opening and
1:04:48
just how iconic that looks. There's that much chaos that
1:04:51
GR's headset gets like ripped off and doesn't work for some of
1:04:53
the match, which I thought told the story about the the absolute
1:04:58
chaos. There's a bit where Austin gets
1:05:00
the ring bell not so Bobby comes out, which reminds me of Triple
1:05:05
H's past street fights. Now when the ring bell comes
1:05:08
out, it reminded me of submission match, which was
1:05:11
barbaric, which was obviously Brett and Stone Cold at
1:05:14
WrestleMania. That reminded me of that.
1:05:16
So these these little pieces that are like from these two
1:05:19
guys has passed almost doing the greatest hits here, which is
1:05:21
absolutely fantastic. Some vicious neck, neck Breakers
1:05:26
on the on the on the chairs, as we mentioned.
1:05:29
And I think, yeah, that's, that's how he introduced his
1:05:33
barbaric. Yeah.
1:05:38
I just think overall it was it was a vicious street fight.
1:05:41
And then like I said, Triple H manages to get the upper hand on
1:05:45
and then it's almost like, right, the two things we thought
1:05:48
wouldn't happen like have happened.
1:05:49
So the both got to fall. But it's almost the other way
1:05:52
around to what we predicted, which means anything can happen
1:05:55
in this third form, like all bets are off.
1:05:57
So it's probably the most exciting you can be going into
1:06:00
it. Definitely and let's go straight
1:06:02
into it. So obviously cage down by this
1:06:04
point, they're both fucked. So it's a much slower pace,
1:06:06
which is again talking about psych.
1:06:08
I mean, they're probably fucked anyways.
1:06:09
But as psychology goes, they kind of both selling kind of how
1:06:12
much they've already been through match starts.
1:06:15
Triple H runs Austin and the cage gets Bobby, Rakes Bobby all
1:06:18
over the face of Austin, chair shot to Austin, and then Triple
1:06:27
H runs Austin in the cage and Rakes it all over Barbie.
1:06:30
So it's kind of tit for tat. I'll do this, you'll do that
1:06:33
kick out after that continues Austin to kind of rake Triple H
1:06:37
his face without Bob wire blood everywhere.
1:06:40
Austin kind of does that, backs himself into a corner and just
1:06:42
comes out kicking like a caged animal, kicks Triple H all over
1:06:46
the ring and you get the kind of classic Triple H Ric Flair kind
1:06:49
of face bump from the corner. So again, kind of playing the
1:06:52
greatest hits. Triple H tries to escape.
1:06:54
Jr. says there's no point in that.
1:06:55
You can only win this cage match with a submission.
1:06:58
They're both kind of fighting on the top rope, bashing each of
1:07:00
those head in. Austin gets the worst of it,
1:07:03
drops down onto the rope for the nut shot.
1:07:05
Austin does manage to get back up though from that, and he
1:07:08
throws Triple H from the top 10 buckle.
1:07:10
Nasty little bump down goes for the pin.
1:07:13
Triple H kicks out, he hits a stunner into the cage.
1:07:18
He goes for a stunner. Triple H reverses it.
1:07:20
Pedigree Austin kicks out of the pedigree.
1:07:23
Triple H grabs the ref. Can't believe Austin's kicked
1:07:26
out of the pedigree, and then hits another headshot to Austin.
1:07:30
This time you get a pedigree counter where Triple H has
1:07:33
flipped into the cage. He staggers into a stunner, but
1:07:37
Austin's too fucked so he can't follow up properly.
1:07:39
Goes for the pin, kick out, Austin grabs Barbie, Triple H
1:07:43
grabs the sledgehammer, both hit each other with it.
1:07:46
Triple H drops down on Austin and Triple H wins, which I had
1:07:50
no memory of because I just assumed we're watching this with
1:07:53
Austin going into Mania. Austin one, but Triple H gets
1:07:56
the win in the end. So what was your thoughts on
1:07:59
that then? Yeah, I'll just talk about the
1:08:01
finish. So I think the finish has been
1:08:02
so the both caught each other weapons and then it's like lands
1:08:05
on top of him. So he wins by default, right.
1:08:07
And I think it's important Triple H gets a win going into
1:08:12
WrestleMania, where I think he's going to then feud with
1:08:14
Undertaker, if I'm not mistaken. That's right.
1:08:18
And I think, but obviously what happens is that once the cage is
1:08:20
lifted, the, I mean, these guys in the rings are at least 5
1:08:23
minutes, right? That doesn't move on.
1:08:25
The broadcast doesn't move on. It stays with Triple H finally
1:08:27
gets his arm raised and Austin gets up and gives him a stunner.
1:08:30
So Austin leaves on his own 2 feet and gives the fingers at
1:08:33
the top of the stage and leaves as if to say it's been a war.
1:08:36
Triple H has technically got the win, but Austin's leaving on his
1:08:39
own 2 feet, so we haven't damaged him.
1:08:42
And he's going into The Rock looking strong because he's just
1:08:45
fought a war and he's still standing.
1:08:47
Triple H is on his back because he's took a hell of a beating.
1:08:51
He's just took a stunt out after the match, but he did get the
1:08:53
win, so he has some momentum to then take him into The
1:08:57
Undertaker at WrestleMania. So I just thought it was done
1:08:59
really well. Like to give Triple H to win,
1:09:01
but to still make Austin look strong was like perfectly done.
1:09:06
Yeah, definitely. And that kind of led to the
1:09:08
triple. H and that's it.
1:09:09
I'm actually I kind. Of checked what happened after
1:09:11
that and like Triple H and she's saying that there's no one left
1:09:13
for us to beat. I've beat the baddest man in the
1:09:15
company and Undertaker kind of comes out and says, well, you've
1:09:18
you you can't beat me, especially at WrestleMania.
1:09:21
And you get the first of the Triple H Undertaker trilogies at
1:09:23
WrestleMania. But yeah, I thought it was a
1:09:25
great match. Like I say I thought like the
1:09:27
psychology is just like 10 out of 10 throughout it like working
1:09:30
the wrestling match, then going outside for the street fight and
1:09:32
then you kind of make the most of the cage as much as you can.
1:09:35
Unbelievable finish. Like I say, it was like a spot
1:09:38
with them both hitting each other and Triple H flopping down
1:09:40
where like I say, it's still Triple H gets that win, but it
1:09:42
protects Austin. But then the other point that I
1:09:45
took away from it before was it Wells who asked the question was
1:09:48
yes, Wells question about the protected finisher because in
1:09:51
this match you. Have.
1:09:53
Austin win the first match with a stunner.
1:09:56
It's the first time he hits the stunner.
1:09:58
He hits it, he gets the win 123 you have Triple H win the second
1:10:02
match with a pedigree. It's the first time he's been
1:10:03
able to hit the pedigree. The second pedigree in the match
1:10:06
Austin does kick out of, but Triple H like can't believe it.
1:10:10
He's beside himself, He's grabbing the ref can't believe
1:10:13
anyone's kicked out the pedigree.
1:10:14
And then the second Stoner in the match, Austin's too fucked
1:10:18
to do anything about it, so he doesn't get the win with it.
1:10:20
So both the morning hit the finisher twice and you can see
1:10:23
every time he's protected because first time each it leads
1:10:26
to a win. Second time this kind of I can't
1:10:29
believe he's kicked out and then Austin's just too fucked a fair
1:10:32
finish up on it in constantly throughout the match that both
1:10:36
moves are teased and there's backdrops and there's reversals
1:10:39
and they're all done really well.
1:10:41
But again, it's like if you hit this move, it's done.
1:10:44
So that's why it has to keep getting reversed.
1:10:46
Whereas I think especially in a match where you're essentially
1:10:49
wrestling 3 different matches, you would have hit your finish
1:10:52
as a lot more now and people would have kicked out because
1:10:55
didn't. Did Drew in Punk end up having a
1:10:59
three stage as a hell match? I know I had a hell in a cell so
1:11:02
I'm not. I'm not sure.
1:11:03
Possibly I might be. Wrong, but if the did, I'd be
1:11:05
interested to go about and watch that and see how many.
1:11:07
Times the GCS and the Claremore's used because the
1:11:10
global wells is question. I think finish has arm protected
1:11:13
as much and I think this match is a kind of really good example
1:11:16
of him was a 2001. So it's like 25 years ago.
1:11:19
Fucking hell, is that? Yeah, 25 years ago, probably,
1:11:22
yeah. You can see how protected the
1:11:24
Pedigree and the Sun are. You know, it's two of the
1:11:26
biggest guys in the company in their finish Has mean something.
1:11:29
Yeah. And I think, you know, even when
1:11:31
Austin kicks out the pedigree and tributes.
1:11:32
Can't believe it again like the the both not gots or triplets
1:11:36
doesn't cover like straight away there's a delay in getting the
1:11:38
cover and like the ball very fatigued in the telling that
1:11:41
story of them both being fatigued.
1:11:42
That's why the finish has maybe on hitting as strong as usual.
1:11:45
That's why they can't pin as strong as usual.
1:11:47
So it does tell the story that I think obviously 3 stages are
1:11:50
held recently Cordy and Drew when Drew win the belt before
1:11:53
the that might be what was thinking of that might be most
1:11:55
thinking of yeah and I think. It was a lot of finished as
1:11:57
correct Yeah, batters, modern day.
1:12:00
Wrestling, I think, which answers his question.
1:12:02
I think it is just Monday wrestling.
1:12:05
You've got to kind of get on board with it if you're still
1:12:07
watching it. But yeah, I definitely think it
1:12:08
was better when especially the bigger guys like, you know, your
1:12:11
top guys, the finishing moves were massively protected 100%.
1:12:16
Now I just want to talk about how.
1:12:19
Obviously this whole match happens because of who run over
1:12:22
Stone called Steve Austin. And it got me thinking that that
1:12:26
was such a big thing in this time period.
1:12:28
And like, especially a young, young Pete, like who won, who
1:12:31
won him over. It was a big thing, wasn't it?
1:12:33
Reminded me of, like, something else big that was happening in
1:12:35
the world that say at a similar time, that was who was Eric
1:12:38
Cordman's dad. And we didn't know who that was,
1:12:41
but it was going to be revealed. Have we watched that recently?
1:12:44
Yeah, I do remember that very well.
1:12:45
Because I've found I've watched. It about 3 weeks ago some work
1:12:47
me way through South Park from the stars.
1:12:50
So I remember those two, those those like the two biggest
1:12:52
questions on my mind. Like during this couple of year
1:12:55
period was who would have a stone cold and it was Eric
1:12:59
Coleman's dad. And then what?
1:13:01
I pull out that, you know, go and shoot Luke.
1:13:04
I was just going to say the stone.
1:13:05
Cold run over I. Think it was massive because
1:13:07
like. The Internet was still dial up
1:13:08
and it wasn't as big, so in the lead up to it there was a kid at
1:13:12
school who had the Internet and he said that the person who'd
1:13:16
run over Stone Cold was Hardcore Holly because he'd seen online
1:13:19
that Hardcore Holly was due back from an injury so therefore it
1:13:22
has to be Hardcore Holly. So what a career that could have
1:13:26
been if I had it been Hardcore Holly that ride over Stone Cold.
1:13:29
But then secondly, the reveal of who run over Austin did have the
1:13:33
Internet then because if you remember, Rob was on a Monday,
1:13:37
we didn't get it till Friday. So I remember waiting for the
1:13:40
picture to load up on the Tuesday morning before school to
1:13:43
find out it was Rikishi, but not being able to watch it till the
1:13:45
Friday and then going into school being like it was Ricky.
1:13:49
She it was Ricky. She called you a bullshitter.
1:13:52
But then getting. Yeah, what?
1:13:53
On Friday. Yeah, and I was right.
1:13:55
Yeah, because I had the Internet as well and that kid was still.
1:13:57
Adamant it was hardcore Holly because he was back from injury,
1:14:00
but if that's how it worked would need a surprise.
1:14:03
Who's due back from injury? That'll do Hardcore Holly.
1:14:06
I mean, I'm sure how Holly did have.
1:14:10
A race car gimmick wasn't like the spark plug Bob Holly when he
1:14:13
was a NASCAR driver. Yeah, so maybe not.
1:14:16
I think what he could have would have moved on an alternate.
1:14:17
World. Spark you plug.
1:14:19
I like that Bruce Pritchard story about.
1:14:22
Hardcore Hollywood, I think they were doing essentially a town
1:14:24
hall meeting where they were like open to any suggestions and
1:14:27
probably just like stood up when I've got a suggestion, meet me
1:14:29
world champion. And then they're like, well,
1:14:31
then what? Then you know, they'll just be
1:14:33
everyone. They're like, thanks Bob.
1:14:35
Any more questions? Wow, Bob Holly, somebody like I
1:14:39
think gets a lot. Of seems got a stick on inside
1:14:42
the wrestling world but just this week he's been the news
1:14:44
where I think he's looking in really good shape so I mean if a
1:14:47
wrestler is in good shape and that's that's a good thing so
1:14:49
we're certainly champion now yeah yeah he did AQ and a
1:14:53
Newcastle once and I. Was regret not going because.
1:14:55
I think it was about £10 and I thought that would be a really
1:14:58
good way to spend the night because he's got all biography,
1:15:00
which is meant to be quite good. Because it's like, I think he is
1:15:03
very opinionated and I think it is just like one of those books
1:15:06
where it's like, this is what should have happened.
1:15:07
This is why I'm right. We'll have to try and find them
1:15:10
and then we're going to maybe review the book on the.
1:15:12
Podcast if we can both find a copy yeah and tie in it might be
1:15:16
cursed by the wrestling gods because he is someone who's had
1:15:18
an. Interesting career indeed, that
1:15:20
one last thought was that, and I know, probably.
1:15:22
Always talk about this aspect of people, but just how big does
1:15:26
Triple H look in this match from his entrance?
1:15:27
Like he's absolutely jacked to the gills.
1:15:30
He's so huge. He's lean.
1:15:32
Like, Triple H is looking bigger and better than ever, right?
1:15:36
Oh yeah, you're definitely a body guy.
1:15:37
And you say triple? H always did look great.
1:15:39
You know, he had a book out, didn't he?
1:15:40
And now he helps Donald Trump with fitness.
1:15:42
So he's always been into that. You always look the part.
1:15:45
It was always, again, like going at the fine deals of this.
1:15:48
It was always the massive chest and the skinny waist.
1:15:50
That's a hard thing to accomplish that he put the work
1:15:52
in. There might have been extras
1:15:53
included, but you still have to put the work in to get the big
1:15:56
chest and the skinny waist. You certainly do.
1:15:58
You certainly do. So hats off to.
1:16:00
Triple H for that. I think that brings an end to
1:16:03
morning time. Luke, are we going to move on?
1:16:08
To did they really? Say that, which is of course a
1:16:10
look. Back out of court.
1:16:12
From somebody in the wrestling business could be from all
1:16:14
biography, it could be from an interview, could be something to
1:16:16
sell on television, swing the set in a shooting.
1:16:19
A view from from wherever could be set on commentary.
1:16:22
And I think you've got this week's.
1:16:23
Did they really say that? I have yeah.
1:16:26
Because I think. It's to do with Tony.
1:16:28
Khan. Because I feel like sometimes
1:16:30
Tony Khan books himself into a corner and works himself into a
1:16:33
shoot. But I'll, I'll say the quote 1st
1:16:36
and I'll let you see if you can guess who said it.
1:16:39
Bro. I got it confirmed on good word
1:16:41
that you really do enjoy at Juggalo Wrestling Lunacy.
1:16:46
While that's cool and much, much appreciated, give me a follow
1:16:49
back bro. Let's talk some creative.
1:16:51
Let's do something that will blow the WWE into oblivion.
1:16:54
You've heard about me over the years, but you've never had the
1:16:57
opportunity to get into me. Let's give them something to
1:17:00
talk about. So who do you think said that
1:17:02
bro? As of course all these.
1:17:06
Minds has gone blank. I know exactly who it is.
1:17:08
Constant on the tip. Me tongue.
1:17:09
It's Vince Russo. It is Vince Russo, yeah.
1:17:14
So obviously Vince Russo is. Booking Juggalo.
1:17:16
Championship Wrestling at the moment, I've, I've not seen it,
1:17:20
so I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.
1:17:23
But yeah, Tony Khan has kind of said he does like Vince Russo.
1:17:27
And that's the worst thing you can do, isn't it, with someone
1:17:29
like Vince Russo. So do you think, I mean, do you
1:17:32
think this is something where Vince Russo goes to some work
1:17:35
with AW? So I think Vince Russo has a
1:17:38
podcast with Jonathan Coachman. And I think they've been talking
1:17:41
about AW on there and then Tony Khan sort of reference that he
1:17:44
listens to the show, likes listening to them.
1:17:48
He does watch Juggalo wrestling. So he stroked Tony has stroked
1:17:52
Vince Russell's eagle by saying he's watches the show that he's
1:17:55
producing. And then they've reached back.
1:17:57
Obviously, I'll come on the show whenever you want.
1:17:59
And also like, yeah, like kind of work with the type of thing.
1:18:03
So I don't know if Tony's respondent.
1:18:04
To be fair, he hasn't. I checked before we started
1:18:09
recording he. Hasn't responded yet.
1:18:10
Bro I. Mean Tony Tony Conway has
1:18:12
realized that he's opened the door now and like.
1:18:15
Getting Vince Russo in and you know Vince Russo was, I wouldn't
1:18:21
say I'm a. Fan of it, so I'm not, but like,
1:18:23
you know, he was a part of like the biggest.
1:18:24
Period in professional wrestling history and like and how much of
1:18:26
a party you know he's he sort of all dropped promotes like.
1:18:32
How how big a party had not actually all right.
1:18:35
And I suppose, you know, he did have a part in it like but so no
1:18:39
100%. But obviously.
1:18:41
But then he did go to. BCW and then.
1:18:44
WCW did kill itself and he's a part of that.
1:18:47
And again, where he's part that actually our success and other
1:18:51
people pot access. He's not the only reason why WCW
1:18:53
died, right? There's lots of other reasons as
1:18:55
well. So he's not the sole person
1:18:56
responsible, but I think, yeah. And I think these people.
1:19:01
Is he always shooting as he always?
1:19:03
Working to make a dime. That he's always had podcasts,
1:19:07
Hasn't he always? Always had.
1:19:09
His thoughts and he has a I think it's just has quite a
1:19:12
loyal fan base of people who listen to him and and that's
1:19:16
fine. And maybe that's.
1:19:17
Who's watching this wrestling? Park, I don't know if this was a
1:19:20
Juggalo or Juicy wrestling or something.
1:19:22
Juggalo Championship Wrestling. Yes, the it's the Juggalos.
1:19:25
And all the guys that paint the faces, Yes.
1:19:29
Do you know about the Juggalos? That have conventions and
1:19:32
things, yes. Yeah, so it's that.
1:19:34
So that's how it started. I.
1:19:35
Remember there was a play PS2. Game for about the day I had it.
1:19:38
Juggalo Championship Wrestling. But yeah, so he's book and that
1:19:41
could my car daughter was a champion.
1:19:43
I think he had relinquished the title when he came back to WWE.
1:19:46
Yeah, it's one thing, a chance to defend.
1:19:49
I think. I think he dropped some of them.
1:19:51
On the way outgoing back to do, we read.
1:19:53
Matt, but I think there's somewhere he just, he couldn't
1:19:55
because he had loads of titles from all over the knees.
1:19:57
He was of course the indie God. And I think there was some way
1:20:00
just couldn't drop them because they do.
1:20:02
We want them back and obviously you don't want to risk an injury
1:20:04
on some of the Indies, so. So yeah.
1:20:08
So. All the wrestling.
1:20:10
Up there with like GCW for. Example.
1:20:14
I think so, yeah. I think it's like, I think you
1:20:15
can act it. I think you could.
1:20:16
Watch it on YouTube. It's.
1:20:17
Putting out it's putting out a weekly program now I don't think
1:20:19
it ever did until like maybe is the last couple of years and
1:20:23
then the broad Russo in but I think you kind of right where
1:20:25
like what you were seeing me. You know, Vince Russell was part
1:20:28
of a big boom period in wrestling.
1:20:29
I think the two things that ultimately go against him is
1:20:32
that he talks a lot and you don't over to work if it's a
1:20:35
shoot off his work himself into a shoot.
1:20:37
And then I think the other part is kind of history is written by
1:20:39
written by the winners, isn't it?
1:20:40
And he kind of comes off across it like a bit of a not one of
1:20:43
the winners in it. So I think that's kind of where
1:20:46
it goes against them. But yeah, I just think the
1:20:48
reason I picked that quote was just I thought I don't think
1:20:51
it's the right thing for AW to do.
1:20:54
Yeah. I mean, AW.
1:20:56
Is Tony Khan. 'S company, right?
1:20:58
Nothing. Between Tony.
1:20:59
Khan on, I think Tony Collins, the head book I write, and he's
1:21:02
the head of creative and I think he works for the wrestlers and
1:21:05
the wrestlers have quite a lot of saying what they do.
1:21:08
Like, do you want to bring another voice into that to
1:21:10
contradict it? Like probably not.
1:21:14
No, not at all. I just think.
1:21:15
It's kind of a bit like which I've said before where I think.
1:21:17
Sometimes and you know, like you said, they're a fairly new
1:21:19
company and the grand scheme of things that they just still
1:21:22
don't fully know what the identity is.
1:21:24
And even if you brought them Vince Russo in is a one shot
1:21:28
deal. I think it's kind of a backward
1:21:30
step in to create an identity because I think it's just a bit
1:21:34
of a shock factor pop, which is what Vince Russo is all about.
1:21:37
But I think it it takes away from what AW should be trying to
1:21:41
do. Yeah, maybe if you're in his
1:21:44
hometown, you haven't come out and do.
1:21:45
Something like that could be fun for the people and be fun for
1:21:48
him as well. But to have him there like sort
1:21:53
of a semi permanent fixture, like I don't know what sort of
1:21:57
benefit that would give you. No, definitely.
1:22:00
So it was an interesting quote because it's.
1:22:02
Like what? Way could this lead and if it
1:22:04
does lead to something, what does that mean for AW?
1:22:06
So do you think the coachman and Russo will get?
1:22:11
20 Con on their podcast Maybes. Yeah, I think that might be.
1:22:15
I think that. Might be enough to just say
1:22:16
right, I'm doing. Your podcast, now let's stop
1:22:19
this good look in all your future endeavors.
1:22:22
Well, Tony Khan, if you're listening, Peter and Luke would
1:22:25
love to have you on Singleton. Suplexes.
1:22:27
So get yourself dialed in next week if you want.
1:22:31
Tony Khan, if you listen and we'll ask you promise the only
1:22:34
good questions we won't ask you. I've had it.
1:22:37
I've had it confirmed on good authority bro, that he really
1:22:39
does. Enjoy listening to our podcast.
1:22:41
So we'll just need that tweet. Don't end up being yeah.
1:22:47
I think that brings an end to did they?
1:22:49
Really say that and we're ready to move on to Cursed by the.
1:22:51
Wrestling Gods. So this week I have chosen
1:22:54
Cursed by the Wrestling. Gods, and it's where we pick.
1:22:56
It could be a gimmick, a person, a full career, could be a
1:22:59
matching event, anything in wrestling that would think maybe
1:23:02
didn't get the benefit of the doubt or didn't quite develop in
1:23:04
the way it could have done. And of course, it's contextual,
1:23:08
so it's open to interpretation. It's been wrestlers so far, and
1:23:11
it's a wrestler today. And it is Billy Kidman, who of
1:23:14
course, real name was Peter Allen Gruner Junior, if you
1:23:17
didn't know that. And Billy Kim is 50.
1:23:19
I didn't. I didn't know if you're old
1:23:22
Billy Kimmons 51. It does make us.
1:23:25
Feel old, just like the fact that no way I.
1:23:27
Was 26 years ago. Or 25 whatever I worded out as
1:23:31
so the fact that Billy Kimmons 51 makes you feel old does the.
1:23:33
Fact that Billy Kimmons was married to Tori Wilson make you
1:23:36
jealous? No, I was always very proud of
1:23:39
him for that. I did know that one.
1:23:40
You know, fair play at. Home.
1:23:42
He was. He was a good lad.
1:23:43
Yeah. So I mean Billy Kim.
1:23:45
Had a good career and I'm going to get into why I think he could
1:23:48
possibly be cursed by the wrestling gods.
1:23:50
But we're going to dive through Billy Kimmin first.
1:23:51
So as a wrestler, obviously Billy Kimmin's best known for
1:23:54
his work with WCW. And then of course, he did come
1:23:58
into the WWE after the acquisition and was there for a
1:24:01
bit. And then he is still with the WE
1:24:03
as a producer, believe it or not.
1:24:05
So I don't think we've seen him get attacked in any brawl
1:24:08
segments yet, but who's to say we won't in the future?
1:24:12
But yeah, obviously best known throughout the late 19. 90s in
1:24:15
the early 2000s. So it's quite a small window
1:24:17
when he was sort of on national television, you could say while
1:24:21
in WCW really came and gained fear.
1:24:24
He was a key member of several, several stables.
1:24:26
He was obviously a member of Ravens Flock.
1:24:28
We've already mentioned Raven this episode.
1:24:30
Do you remember the Ravens Flock, Luke?
1:24:33
I do, yeah. We're cool as fuck because we're
1:24:35
even someone. Who could also do for.
1:24:37
This segment, and it was he was one of the only ones that were
1:24:40
able to bring away from ACW and kind of fully bring the
1:24:43
character and continue the momentum on it.
1:24:46
Indeed, he was also about the filthy animals.
1:24:48
And then he was laid. Out part of the new blood, which
1:24:50
I think you've just watched some new blood story and some.
1:24:53
Yeah, I have yeah. It was one of me working from
1:24:56
home ones, yeah. So I made sure I kind of.
1:24:58
Seen a lot of that. So obviously got in there with
1:25:00
the likes of Hogan and he was definitely, definitely trying to
1:25:03
push him. Definitely.
1:25:04
So as a member of those stables, he participated in memorable
1:25:07
feuds with. Hogan with Jeff Jarrett and Rey
1:25:10
Mysterio. He also found championship
1:25:13
success while in WCW. He was a three time
1:25:15
Cruiserweight Champion and a two time World Tag Team Champion,
1:25:18
once with Mysterio and once with Conan.
1:25:21
SO2 legendary wrestlers there who his tag team with and he
1:25:25
also had a Cruiserweight tag team finals which he won with
1:25:30
Mysterio as well. Obviously WCW was purchased by
1:25:33
World Wrestling Federation after it killed itself and Kidman did,
1:25:38
but he was on AWC. He was on a WCW contract, not an
1:25:42
AOL Time Warner contract. So essentially what happened was
1:25:45
those who were on the Time Warner contracts like Hogan,
1:25:48
Sting, Nash, Hall, etcetera, Goldberg, they just stayed on
1:25:52
those contracts and got paid by Time Warner.
1:25:54
The ones who won the WCW contracts had to come across Cos
1:25:59
obviously WWE bought the company.
1:26:02
So Kidman became a member of the WCWECW alliance.
1:26:07
Obviously during his time with the WE, Kidman found success.
1:26:10
He won the Cruiserweight Championship four times.
1:26:17
And he was also A tag team champion with Paul London.
1:26:22
What do you remember about him in?
1:26:23
WWE. So yeah, I remember him coming
1:26:26
in on that cruiserweight. Division where I think it was 1.
1:26:29
Of the stronger divisions. So like you had Chavo in there
1:26:31
because it was the WCW thing. You had Paul London and I think
1:26:35
he was someone who kind of was pushed quite hard.
1:26:39
And I always remember that feud because he did the Shooting Star
1:26:41
press, didn't he? And Paul London did the Shooting
1:26:44
Star press and that's how they ended up getting A tag team
1:26:46
together. So I do remember him kind of
1:26:48
coming in and again, because of kind of WCW figures, I was more
1:26:53
aware of him because of that. So like when he when the WCW
1:26:56
invasion happened, I was kind of like, oh, I know Billy Kidman.
1:26:59
Yeah, he's he's he's one of the good guys.
1:27:01
He's cool. Yeah, he certainly was.
1:27:06
The reason why I've chosen for Curse by Wrestling.
1:27:08
Gods is I think. But he was a cruiserweight.
1:27:12
He was very cool. He had a certain look.
1:27:15
He could go in the ring. He did get a certain rub when he
1:27:19
was working with the likes of Hogan.
1:27:20
Mysterio. In there with the Northwest or
1:27:24
Jeff Jarrett in there and they were Brett in there with Cornan.
1:27:31
And I think he was almost, in my opinion, I think of him as like
1:27:36
WCW's Jeff Hardy when I think how far Jeff Hardy went in WWE.
1:27:44
But he came in already reached those heights that Jeff did, if
1:27:46
that makes sense. Yeah, that's quite a quite a
1:27:50
good analogy, I think. Because they pushed him in WCW,
1:27:54
like I say is kind of the new blood and he was feuding with
1:27:56
Hogan. And I think if it wasn't WCW
1:27:59
that was kind of, you know, run by people could doing their own
1:28:02
Boogans, you know, whoever, whether you think badly or
1:28:04
negatively, but badly or positively of Hogan, you know,
1:28:07
they all had the stroke where I think if people like that didn't
1:28:10
have that kind of pull, I think they probably would have put the
1:28:13
world title on Billy Kidman in WCW, if not for nothing else,
1:28:17
just to see what we've pushed on this fall.
1:28:18
Let's see where it goes with them as world champion.
1:28:21
So I think that if he hadn't done that, he would have been a
1:28:23
much more of a bigger deal coming into WWE as a former
1:28:26
world champion. So yeah, I think you're right to
1:28:29
kind of pick them for Curse by the wrestling guys because I
1:28:31
think the timing there was just slightly off.
1:28:33
Although he got a much better run in the main event, seeing
1:28:37
then other smaller guys in WCW, he was still always going to be
1:28:40
held down by the facts of people on these ironclad contracts who
1:28:44
could essentially do what they wanted.
1:28:46
Definitely. And I think in WE.
1:28:48
Obviously he worked with. As you've mentioned Paul and the
1:28:53
new feud with the likes of Chavo Guerrero, but literally by 2005
1:28:58
he's released. But he come and says that he was
1:29:01
released due to an argument with management over the decision to
1:29:03
stop booking wrestlers on 1st class flights overseas.
1:29:06
So well that's true. Or not I don't know.
1:29:09
But what a way to get released eh?
1:29:11
Arguing over that first class baby.
1:29:13
Interesting if that is true, considering he goes back to work
1:29:16
behind the. Scenes, I mean, time heals all
1:29:18
wounds and I think if Brett can return to the company.
1:29:21
Then anyone can. Then he goes on the Indies.
1:29:25
I was going to say what was what, what happened after WWE
1:29:28
because I've got no, no. No knowledge.
1:29:29
Yeah. So following his departure,
1:29:31
after, after, after that. You know, he sort of goes in the
1:29:35
Indies, He comes to the United Kingdom, there's a tour there.
1:29:39
He's resting the likes of Johnny Storm, he wrestles Robbie
1:29:43
Brookside over here in the UK as.
1:29:45
Well, obviously someone who would go.
1:29:46
On and become a sort of an NXT teacher and then yeah and he's
1:29:51
just. Sort of around the Indies, not
1:29:52
really doing too much. Wrest, I mean, during this time
1:29:56
the Indies are like pretty dead, if you remember that Indies
1:29:59
haven't recovered yet from the from the wrestling war, you
1:30:01
could say so, yeah. So he's wrestling on the Indies.
1:30:05
He. Does wrestle Brian Danielson.
1:30:07
In 2007 on an indie and then he does wrestle Sean Waltman and
1:30:12
team up with Sean Waltman as well in Indy and he does then
1:30:15
sort of wrestle for the NWAA little bit working in TNA for a
1:30:22
little bit as well. But not not like too too
1:30:24
heavily. And him and Waltman also wrestle
1:30:28
Connors and enjoy Ryan is a fun one returns to WE in 2007,
1:30:33
helping to train upcoming wrestlers in the development
1:30:36
developmental territory Florida Championship wrestling, which is
1:30:38
of course now an XT. So he's there for 2000 and seven
1:30:42
2008. In 2008 he wrestles his last
1:30:44
match. He uses to afar junior.
1:30:47
Not quite sure where that was, but I believe probably would
1:30:49
have been in a Florida championship wrestling.
1:30:51
So at the time Florida championship wrestling was the
1:30:53
was obviously the the teaching school.
1:30:55
The development was targeted for degree, but it was its own
1:30:57
separate thing and he is hired as a producer in 2010.
1:31:06
In the end, he sort of been there since I suppose.
1:31:14
I think he's. Someone who takes all the boxes
1:31:15
for this segment, doesn't he? Because it's kind of like.
1:31:18
Even if he hadn't ended up back in W as a producer, which I find
1:31:21
the whole producer broad really interesting.
1:31:23
Like I'd love to know a bit more and do like some.
1:31:27
I don't know if you be able to do it because you need kind of
1:31:29
behind the scenes information, but kind of what it is the look
1:31:32
for in the full rules. Because kind of if you just look
1:31:35
at the current backstage producers, you've got like a
1:31:36
base, you've got Kenny Dykstra who was in the spirit squad,
1:31:39
you've got Jason Jordan, which kind of come from a career and
1:31:42
an injury. But like, yeah, I'd be really
1:31:44
interested to see kind of what they look for in these producers
1:31:48
because none of them are like huge.
1:31:51
Like no, none of them are like kind of former world champions
1:31:54
or anything like that other. So like the last sign of it does
1:31:57
interest is. But yeah, while saying it takes
1:31:59
all the boxes is because if you take away the fact that he ended
1:32:01
up batting the West as a producer, you know, end of the
1:32:04
day, he was in a big tag team with Rio Mysterio.
1:32:06
He's wrestled main event pay review matches with Hulk Hogan
1:32:09
and he was married with Tory Wilson.
1:32:10
That that's a great life. That's a career.
1:32:13
That's something to talk about, isn't it?
1:32:14
Certainly it's like he has had a career and he certainly has one
1:32:17
now. But could?
1:32:18
He have hit bigger heights is why I'm saying he's cursed and I
1:32:20
just show how much he's like. So Kidman's contract was
1:32:23
furloughed by the company in during COVID-19 and then and
1:32:27
then he was failed, then he returned.
1:32:28
So I just think the company, WE did get rid of people in that
1:32:32
time period, but he was just failed and then brought back.
1:32:35
So that's how much. They think of them and I.
1:32:37
Think, you know, the likes of Jamie Noble, he's a producer all
1:32:39
right in in Hurricane Helms. And these are people who I think
1:32:43
were always entertaining on screen and get wrestling and
1:32:46
that's why they make good producers.
1:32:47
And I think Billy Kidman was one of he got wrestling, he
1:32:50
understood it and that's why he probably is a producer.
1:32:52
And like I said, COVID-19 was a good issue to get rid of people
1:32:55
with the need to do and, and they brought him back.
1:32:57
So he's obviously, he's obviously doing good.
1:33:01
Apparently there's a book. Detail in his career.
1:33:03
It's called Betty Kidman, the Shooting star, and that was
1:33:05
released in early 2014. I'm not sure if it's a biography
1:33:08
on autobiography, but maybe that's something you could look
1:33:13
out for. And it's funny because like, he
1:33:14
was ranked #31 out of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the
1:33:18
year in the PWI 500 in 1999, that was his peak.
1:33:23
That I say that was very much the.
1:33:25
New blood storyline thing so that.
1:33:26
Would have been when he's at the forefront we have getting that
1:33:28
recognition indeed. And then he was also.
1:33:33
Talk about Dave Meltzer. So the Wrestling Observer news
1:33:36
that the worst feud of the year in the year 2000 was.
1:33:41
But he came in and Hulk Hogan, worst feud of the year.
1:33:43
Courtney Melter and the crew. Yeah, I mean, it probably was
1:33:47
because it was one of those ones where it was half arsed and.
1:33:49
Like I say, it ends and Kidman's probably lower down the card
1:33:53
than when he started. Unfortunately.
1:33:54
We're like I say, I think if you're going to put that kind of
1:33:56
few together, you put the belt on them because why not?
1:33:59
You've gone that far, Yeah. But that brings any curse by
1:34:05
the. Wrestling gods now I think Billy
1:34:07
Kidman, great to watch his matches.
1:34:08
Great to see you still in WE now as a producer contributing to
1:34:12
the wrestling we all know love. But again, as I said, to me, it
1:34:16
was like W through Jeff Hardy, that he never really reached the
1:34:19
similar heights to what Jeff Hardy has since I think, yeah, I
1:34:24
think probably the only thing like him was maybe.
1:34:25
He just didn't have as much charisma.
1:34:28
Yeah. But yeah, I think that's that's.
1:34:31
Definitely a good. One to have chosen.
1:34:33
And I say, I say because of that, that kind of probably that
1:34:36
cruiserweight title when he had it with him and the likes of
1:34:38
Jamie Noble. And so if that was when like, I
1:34:40
would watch it religiously and I was still at that age where it
1:34:43
was like, Oh yeah, this is the best thing ever wrestling.
1:34:45
So like, yeah, I've watched lots of Billy Kidman matches.
1:34:50
That brings an end to Curse by the wrestling.
1:34:52
Gods, it's time for pro wrestling Feel good fact of the
1:34:54
week which we have not pre discussed or we did discuss at
1:34:58
the weekend, or we're having a nice tasty breakfast.
1:35:01
Can you remember what we were talking about?
1:35:04
I have now because I'd. Gone with something else, but
1:35:07
then I. Thought we're going to do this
1:35:08
as housekeeping. So yes, I can if I'm right or
1:35:10
we're going to talk about Mr. Buff Bagwell.
1:35:12
So let's do a double duty. So we'll do both, right?
1:35:14
But yes, so obviously a few. Weeks ago we talked about
1:35:16
Bagwell. Obviously he'd had he's had his
1:35:19
leg amputated but he's in good spirits.
1:35:21
He's not all getting back in the ring and that was the feel good
1:35:23
fact of the week. On this past week, he has
1:35:25
appeared on TNA and he's seen he wants a match and TNA looks like
1:35:30
they're going to give him that much if he can prove himself.
1:35:32
And he got to do it with Frankie Kazarian, which is really cool.
1:35:34
So maybe his match is going to be with Frankie.
1:35:36
Frankie got to work He'll which is what he's doing at the
1:35:38
moment, which is really cool. And then both got a cool moment
1:35:41
with. Is it Elijah who's called now?
1:35:44
Elijah Yeah, formerly Elias in WWE and.
1:35:47
Like that was really cool. And Elijah, I can miss pops.
1:35:49
So yeah, talk to us for your. Thoughts on both Bagwell
1:35:51
appearing on TNA and telling the world he wants his match?
1:35:56
Yeah, it's cool because it's kind of we've talked about these
1:35:58
guys. And cursed by the wrestling.
1:35:59
Gods, I know he wasn't on that segment, but like, it's cool
1:36:02
that like, but these people still mean something to someone.
1:36:05
I think when we talk about Bagwell, I told you about how it
1:36:07
was like the I got the figure because I had no WF figures left
1:36:10
and he had the hat and like, this guy's had a career.
1:36:13
And it's, I think wrestling fandom is very deep and people
1:36:16
kind of like to kind of see those guys from the past who's
1:36:19
kind of have been a part especially of childhood and
1:36:21
nostalgia. So for him to have gone through
1:36:23
that because I mean, it's not just is like getting amputated.
1:36:26
He's had quite a tough patch on and off in life.
1:36:29
So we've seen them kind of say you wanted to have done it and
1:36:31
then appear on TNA, which is massive at the moment.
1:36:34
You can make a strong argument that with viewing figures, it's
1:36:37
kind of the number 2 promotion in the country right now.
1:36:41
So yeah, I think it's a really cool thing.
1:36:43
And like you say, you mentioned Elijah was there as well.
1:36:46
I think if a match happens, it'll be A tag match and then
1:36:49
you can kind of protect them as much as possible.
1:36:51
But he still gets that kind of last day in the sun.
1:36:55
Absolutely. And I think I'm excited to
1:36:57
watch. I would TuneIn if they.
1:36:58
Went all this is booked by going back in the ring.
1:36:59
I would tune for not 100%. Yes, I've been watching.
1:37:03
I've got the TNA. Out was quite good actually, so
1:37:05
I. Do normally watch each week, but
1:37:07
yeah, definitely it's a cool thing.
1:37:09
I mean, especially if you build something around it, maybe get
1:37:11
some old WCW guys to come in as well.
1:37:13
Like kind of even if they're just backstage.
1:37:16
Do you know there's there's definitely someone there that
1:37:17
people want to see 100% And then what was your fuel and fact of
1:37:21
the week? Well, brother, it was the fact
1:37:25
that the Hall of. Fame the match going in.
1:37:26
Is Austin, not Austin Hogan versus Andre the slam heard
1:37:31
around the world? And I just thought that was a
1:37:33
great match to choose. We I think we might have picked
1:37:35
that when we're talking about that as well.
1:37:36
The matches could go in, but in a year that whole Corgan's
1:37:39
passed away and Andre's already gone.
1:37:41
I think that's a perfect match for this year's Hall of Fame.
1:37:45
What do you think? I think yes, I think it is.
1:37:48
It's, it's a huge moment, right? It's it's the clip that gets
1:37:51
played around the world whenever people talk about wrestling and
1:37:54
wrestling in the past is Hogan slamming, Andreen winning?
1:37:57
It's obviously the, as Guila Monsoon coined the phrase, it is
1:38:01
the unstoppable force versus the immovable object.
1:38:03
You know, it's, it's history, it's David versus Goliath, it's
1:38:07
legends coming together. I'm sort of as I mentioned.
1:38:13
Before, I think it's important to get these.
1:38:14
Matches in while. People are alive, so.
1:38:16
They can get their flowers now. I think people like Hogan
1:38:19
already had their flowers, right.
1:38:21
Part of us thinks I'm almost glad Hogan.
1:38:29
Won't be there for just in case the crowd.
1:38:31
Boom, there's that. And I also think.
1:38:35
That this match as well. Mainly because of that Andre
1:38:38
died so young and Hogan tells a lot of lies, which I sometimes
1:38:43
think you know exactly what he was doing.
1:38:44
Where this match is kind of full of myth.
1:38:46
Like is it real? Is it not?
1:38:48
Like I'm sure Hogan said Andre drank 3 crates of beer in going
1:38:52
out there. You wouldn't know if Andre would
1:38:54
put him over. And then other people have said
1:38:56
that's complete bullshit. But like, I quite like it as a
1:38:58
match because not neither of them are there talk about it
1:39:00
now. And there's still a lot of
1:39:02
questions of like, did that actually happen?
1:39:03
Didn't it happen? So it's a kind of huge iconic
1:39:06
match because of the slam and the two guys who were in it.
1:39:09
But then outside of it, there's loads of like talk on points of
1:39:12
like, who did this happen? Did that?
1:39:14
Yeah. And it's sort of cements hook to
1:39:16
me. And he has being.
1:39:18
The big, like the best, doesn't it?
1:39:22
Yeah. And I think you might have hit
1:39:23
the nail on the head by saying. If Hogan has still been around,
1:39:25
does he get? Booed at the acceptance speech.
1:39:27
Whereas this way kind of in the year that Hogan dies, it gets
1:39:30
him back in the Hall of Fame without obviously, unfortunately
1:39:33
him often to be there. So I think it kind of it gets it
1:39:36
in there nicely where everyone can just enjoy the match for
1:39:38
what it was. So this will be Hogan's third
1:39:41
Hall of Fame, is that right? Yeah, because NWO wasn't it was
1:39:44
that time with Brett for three? Each.
1:39:48
All right, because what did Brett go in as?
1:39:50
1/2 Foundation, did he believe? Brett's in as himself, he's in
1:39:54
as the whole foundation, and he's in.
1:39:55
His match, I think. Oh, well, well then yes, yeah,
1:39:58
because he's definitely in the match and he's definitely in
1:40:00
himself. So yeah, I didn't realize he had
1:40:01
three as well, but yeah, they go tied with Brett, which is what
1:40:04
what Hogan would have wanted. It is indeed.
1:40:08
Maybe would have. Waited for Mr. Fuji to hit Brett
1:40:10
in the eyes with some flower and then he'll come down and take
1:40:13
his Hall of Fame ring. That would have been at the 4th
1:40:16
one, wouldn't it? It would have been, yes.
1:40:18
I think I mean correct us if we're.
1:40:20
Wrong. Obviously we've made a mistake
1:40:22
last week. So we are.
1:40:23
We're just human guys. We can't make mistakes.
1:40:27
But yeah, I believe Breton three times has to put Hawken in three
1:40:29
times. And then we will see.
1:40:32
We will see where we go. Did you see?
1:40:34
I suppose we're chatting the shit.
1:40:35
Yeah, but John Cena's going to horse WrestleMania.
1:40:38
Yeah, I don't mind it. I think he has to wear a suit.
1:40:41
Like he's retired. The jolt and the T-shirts are
1:40:43
gone, so I'll not I'll not be happy if he comes out and jolts
1:40:46
in a T-shirt. But yeah, I think I'm having him
1:40:48
as the horse in a suit. It's great because he's kind of
1:40:50
said that, like he said in the week leading up, there's a time
1:40:53
to match that. He's very much still employed by
1:40:55
the WWE, is an ambassador. He's a big name.
1:40:58
It's in Vegas, I think. Yeah, I think it's good.
1:41:00
And I'm just, I'm putting good money on we're going to get a
1:41:03
Dan housing John Cena interaction.
1:41:05
I would love that. I would love that.
1:41:08
Yeah, well, because John John Cena has a big star like Dan.
1:41:11
Hausen so it would. Make sense?
1:41:12
Speaking of, you know, the immovable force meets the
1:41:15
immovable object. There you go.
1:41:16
Cena and Dan Hausen on screen together and they create one of
1:41:18
Dan Hausen so he's over as hell top.
1:41:21
T-shirt sales in the company, have you seen that they've
1:41:23
actually had the thoughts on the signed 8 by 10s on the House was
1:41:25
of him, yes. Then I saw just before we
1:41:28
started recording this as a photograph.
1:41:30
Opportunity at WWE World is now completely sold out for our
1:41:34
WrestleMania weekend, so it's just like, again, not a shit.
1:41:39
On anyone but like, what were you doing with them?
1:41:43
Oh 100%. I mean, I think the story is he
1:41:45
was friends with Punk. Which, you know, a lot of people
1:41:47
say that's what people will say who don't like AW, but I don't
1:41:50
know. That makes sense because like I
1:41:53
say, you're sitting on a gold by not even heard Zeb Calder, who's
1:41:56
like one of the most negative men in wrestling who's
1:41:58
essentially just got a podcast where he shouted a wall, says he
1:42:00
loves Dan housing. So if he's one Zeb caller over,
1:42:03
what will you do in AW? And I think, yeah, Dutch.
1:42:06
Well, you like me? You're doing like WWE is.
1:42:08
Making a lot of money off him and he's made a lot of money in
1:42:10
WWE. So I think I said WWE so police.
1:42:14
But yeah, like the WWE is making a lot of money off of him and
1:42:17
he's made a lot of money there. And I think regardless whether
1:42:20
they liked him because he like Pump or not, like AW could have
1:42:22
been doing the same. Exactly.
1:42:24
Especially because you can say like, Oh well, he was.
1:42:26
Injured a lot. I think that might be 1.
1:42:27
Of the defenses but like just have him in the backstage
1:42:30
segments then like he's been do he hasn't wrestled we were yeah
1:42:32
that's the mad thing. He hasn't even wrestled in WWE.
1:42:35
Yeah, just curse people and just be.
1:42:37
I love this week how I am. When he was there and then
1:42:41
Pierce is like, are you going to vanish now?
1:42:42
And he's like, yeah, then like just didn't and it was like we
1:42:45
had as fuck but like in a pure down house and we all love that.
1:42:49
Yeah, awkward. No, it was as he's great and I
1:42:52
say. I think I think we'll definitely
1:42:53
get a Cena done housing segment because John Cena knows what's
1:42:57
up and done housing is over so why wouldn't you 100% Luke?
1:43:00
I think that brings them to 1 episode.
1:43:02
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