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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 3: Huge day for our country, our economy, the targets have
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  Speaker 3: finally landed, or get into all that detail at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: But we've also had net migration data out today revealing
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  Speaker 3: we've had over one hundred and ten thousand people arrive
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  Speaker 3: in the March Quarter. We have politicians pretending that if
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  Speaker 3: even we talk about.
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  Speaker 2: This tonight, we're all racists. Left. Can't help themselves, can they?
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  Speaker 3: A talk show host of the US, Jimmy Kimmel, the
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  Speaker 3: latest to mock the Charlie Kirk assassination. Now what he
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  Speaker 3: said is repugnant and it's meant that Kimmel Show has
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  Speaker 3: been axed immediately. But we'll speak with someone tonight who's
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  Speaker 3: had the privilege to meet Charlie Kirk. He's an Australian,
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  Speaker 3: Tony Abbott. We'll go Bush too, as yet another farming
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  Speaker 3: community finds himself and David and Goliath battle over renewables.
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  Speaker 3: This time meets a small town funny against a massive
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  Speaker 3: battery farm that will decimate farmers. And of course, those
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  Speaker 3: targets underpinning our emissions obsession and today, after a long
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  Speaker 3: long delay, we finally got Labors twenty thirty five targets.
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  Speaker 4: This is a responsible target.
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  Speaker 5: We have an abundance of solar and wind above the
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  Speaker 5: ground and a periodic table of critical minerals below the ground.
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  Speaker 6: Australia's clean energy transition is an economic growth opportunity, not.
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  Speaker 7: A drag dead against Labour's twenty thirty five interim emission
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  Speaker 7: reduction targets.
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  Speaker 3: So with his issue, because finally the government today announced
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  Speaker 3: Australia's twenty thirty five emissions reduction target. Now, this is
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  Speaker 3: information we all should have had before we voted in May.
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  Speaker 3: And when I walk you through the detail, you can
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  Speaker 3: see now why they hid it from you. Because it's
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  Speaker 3: economically reckless, it's environmentally destructive, it'll impose forage households even more,
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  Speaker 3: and the worst of it all, it won't make a
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  Speaker 3: scrap of difference to global temperatures, given that we're scarcely
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  Speaker 3: one percent of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, in Australia, we have two targets to meet
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  Speaker 3: by twenty thirty. The first one is a forty three
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  Speaker 3: percent decrease in our emissions and the second one is
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  Speaker 3: that renewables target. And that is that they form renewables
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  Speaker 3: eighty two percent of our electricity generation in just five
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  Speaker 3: years time. And right now there's not an expert in
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  Speaker 3: the country, not one that says we'll meet either of
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  Speaker 3: those targets.
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  Speaker 2: So what does Labor do well? Today?
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  Speaker 3: They doubled down on failure, announcing a plan to cut
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  Speaker 3: emissions by as much as seventy percent by twenty thirty five.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: The same government that can't get us forty three percent
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  Speaker 3: down in five years time now our records, they can
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  Speaker 3: get us seventy sent down in ten years. And despite
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  Speaker 3: releasing more than fifty pages of detail, nowhere are they
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  Speaker 3: willing to tell you just how much this commitment will
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  Speaker 3: cost you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean this is a scam.
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  Speaker 8: No policy detail, no costing detail, no price impact detail.
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  Speaker 8: Why is it that the government is releasing so much
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  Speaker 8: information but fails to tell the Australian.
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  Speaker 9: People the impact it is going to have. The Treasurer has.
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  Speaker 8: A fifty three page document I've had a quick read.
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  Speaker 8: Not once does that document, apparently modeled by Treasury, outline
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  Speaker 8: the cost of Labour's plan to get to twenty thirty
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  Speaker 8: five over the last three plus years under this government.
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  Speaker 8: We have seen prices go up, reliability go down, and
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  Speaker 8: emission's just flatline. They have zero credibility whatsoever. And today's
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  Speaker 8: release Finform was nothing more than a word salad or
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  Speaker 8: promises which again will not be kept.
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  Speaker 3: Now. Everything there that Ted O'Brien, the Shadow Treasurer said,
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  Speaker 3: is accurate, but it gets worse. Not content with keeping
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  Speaker 3: the cost of this madness from you. Labor even admitted
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  Speaker 3: today that Australia's climate plans are way way way ahead
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the world, that they were ambitious, meaning
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  Speaker 3: we're leading the world in destroying our economy. We're leading
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  Speaker 3: the world in negating the natural advantage that our resources
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  Speaker 3: have always given us. We're leading the world in de industrialization,
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  Speaker 3: in making ourselves weak, while all of our adversaries are
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  Speaker 3: focused on building their strength, as if this is something
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  Speaker 3: to be proud of.
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  Speaker 10: An orderly transition to net zero is a golden economic
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  Speaker 10: opportunity for Australia.
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  Speaker 6: Our range positions Australia as a glos global leader on
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  Speaker 6: climate ambition. In fact, we are presenting a higher ambition
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  Speaker 6: than most other advanced economies.
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  Speaker 11: Now.
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  Speaker 6: The Powis Agreement calls on countries to set their highest
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  Speaker 6: possible ambition in light of their national circumstances, and our
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  Speaker 6: bottom up analysis proves that we've done exactly that. It's ambitious,
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  Speaker 6: but it's absolutely feasible. Today's report is ambitious for Australia.
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  Speaker 6: It's ambitious for a prosperous future that places Australia's people
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  Speaker 6: and Australia's industries in the driver's seat on the global
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  Speaker 6: push to protect our planet.
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  Speaker 4: This is ambitious, but it's achievable, and as the Prime
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  Speaker 4: Minister said, it's ambitious by international standards compared to like
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  Speaker 4: minded similar economies.
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  Speaker 5: It is ambitious by what has been laid out in
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  Speaker 5: terms of harving emissions from today, but it's achievable.
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  Speaker 2: What a goon show.
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  Speaker 3: What it surprises you to know that the word ambitious
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  Speaker 3: featured almost one hundred times in that press conference. Probably not,
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  Speaker 3: you're not surprised. This isn't about the science. This has
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  Speaker 3: never been about the science. It's never even been about
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  Speaker 3: reducing emissions. Because if Labor was serious about that, well
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  Speaker 3: nuclear power would be on the table, but in this
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  Speaker 3: country it is.
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  Speaker 2: Still banned by law.
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  Speaker 3: What staggers me in all of this is how Labor
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  Speaker 3: gets away with the biggest change through our economy since
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  Speaker 3: the Industrial Revolution without a sceric of costing information.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not just me saying.
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  Speaker 5: That the global shift to clean energy is the biggest
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  Speaker 5: economic transformation since the Industrial Revolution.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so Chris Bowen and I agree very rarely, but
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  Speaker 3: on that point we do. So why won't he or
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  Speaker 3: the government come clean about the cost? I mean, do
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  Speaker 3: you buy a house without asking how much it'll cost?
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  Speaker 3: Does business build a new factory or launch a new
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  Speaker 3: product and put it on the shelf without working out
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  Speaker 3: how much it'll cost? So why are we letting government
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  Speaker 3: get away with it? The Business Council of Australia only
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  Speaker 3: last week released a report that put the cost of
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  Speaker 3: achieving a seventy percent target at over half eight trillion dollars,
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  Speaker 3: and the Net Zero Australia Report in twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 3: costed climate change measures up to twenty thirty at one
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  Speaker 3: point five trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as usual, the.
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  Speaker 3: Governments trying to frog March US and to accepting this
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  Speaker 3: latest act of economic self harm by saying that the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the world is doing much the same. Sure,
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  Speaker 3: the EU might be, but they're not doing it with
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  Speaker 3: unreliable wind and solar. I mean they're going to meet
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  Speaker 3: their targets, like the UK by going health and leather
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  Speaker 3: on nuclear. But the countries that are most like US,
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  Speaker 3: large resource economies like Canada, well they're nowhere near a
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  Speaker 3: seventy percent target. In Canada, they're looking at a target
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  Speaker 3: of forty five to fifty percent. New Zealand, where agriculture
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  Speaker 3: is a big industry like here, they're not seventy percent either.
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  Speaker 3: They're in the fifty one to fifty five percent target range. Indeed,
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  Speaker 3: these two comparisons today were put to the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 3: The two questions, the range is higher than comparable economies
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  Speaker 3: such as Canada and New Zealand.
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  Speaker 2: What do you say to that and what will we
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  Speaker 2: be impact thee.
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  Speaker 3: And secondly, we see a tariff to a carbon tariff
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  Speaker 3: to reach this goal.
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  Speaker 4: Our policy, our plan to get there is in Australia's
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  Speaker 4: zero plant that we're also releasing today in terms of
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  Speaker 4: sexual plants, and we think we've got the sweet spot.
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  Speaker 4: There will be criticism from some who say it's too high.
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  Speaker 4: There's some who will say that it's to what we
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  Speaker 4: have done is except the Climate Change Authorities advice and importantly,
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  Speaker 4: this is world's best practice.
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  Speaker 2: What a fudge.
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  Speaker 3: The PM couldn't even answer that question, couldn't explain why
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  Speaker 3: we're so far ahead of the pack. And let's not
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  Speaker 3: forget the reality of the biggest emitters in all of this.
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  Speaker 3: Under Donald Trump, America has made no emissions reduction pledge
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  Speaker 3: at all. They've pulled out of Paris and they're doing
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  Speaker 3: everything they can to drill, baby, drill. The other big
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  Speaker 3: three China, India and Russia, well they've never been committed
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  Speaker 3: to that zero by twenty fifty. I mean, these countries
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  Speaker 3: don't put reducing emissions ahead of growing their economies. So
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  Speaker 3: if we had our heads screwed on properly, neither should
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  Speaker 3: we today. The Prime Minister implied that China was all
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  Speaker 3: in for renewables.
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  Speaker 4: Mate this point about international comparisons as well, because we'll
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  Speaker 4: hear from the coalition will often the skeptics will say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the world isn't acting there for austration
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  Speaker 4: do anything. Just one fun fact from the Global Energy Monitor,
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  Speaker 4: amount of wind and solar power under construction in China
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  Speaker 4: is now nearly twice as much as the rest of
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  Speaker 4: the world combined. Just a fun fact there. We are
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  Speaker 4: part of what is a global transformation that is occurring.
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  Speaker 4: We need to do our part, but of course we
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  Speaker 4: know that the world has to act as well.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, that's not a fun fact, that's a false fact.
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  Speaker 3: The truth is that wind and solar provide about twenty
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  Speaker 3: five percent of China's electricity, and you know it provides
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  Speaker 3: the other sixty percent. And there's other numbers in there,
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  Speaker 3: but sixty percent that's coal.
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  Speaker 2: Coal.
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  Speaker 3: Often mind here in Australia, our coal we can't use,
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  Speaker 3: but that we export north to his mates in Beijing.
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  Speaker 3: And what is also not telling you about his mates
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  Speaker 3: in Beijing is that they are massively expanding China's coal
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  Speaker 3: fired output. Last year, China approved sixty seven gigawatts of
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  Speaker 3: new coal fired power. That's roughly double Australia's entire generation capacity.
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  Speaker 3: It's just their increase, and it's almost double what we
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  Speaker 3: have here in this country. And it's also begun a
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  Speaker 3: further ninety six gigawatts of coal fired power construction, or
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  Speaker 3: roughly three times Australia's entire power output. Now, naturally, like
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  Speaker 3: everything this government announces, they're shoving more of your money
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  Speaker 3: out the door, some eight billion dollars of new taxpayer spending,
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  Speaker 3: despite the fact it's withdrawing the social license of the
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  Speaker 3: resource industries that we need in order to keep generating
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  Speaker 3: the tax revenues to allow labor to keep spending. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the budget does not add up. And actually the government
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  Speaker 3: reiterated its standard lines about wind and soul of being cheap.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, this is a con job. We'll
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  Speaker 2: see through it now.
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  Speaker 3: No one believes that their power bills are going to
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  Speaker 3: fall under this plan. They've never fallen despite all this
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  Speaker 3: talk of cheap wind and cheap solar. Even as they
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  Speaker 3: ask the question on this very point today, the journalists
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  Speaker 3: couldn't keep a straight face.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, so you say this will put down with
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  Speaker 12: pressure on energy prices, by what exact you got?
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  Speaker 4: You yourself laughed when you ask that question. So it
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  Speaker 4: should be treated in the way, in the spirit in
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  Speaker 4: which you've done. What we know is if we don't act,
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: there will be a cost to the economy. As the
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  Speaker 4: Treasurer has outlined, a.
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  Speaker 3: Pension is laughing pain when they get their power bills.
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  Speaker 3: A small business laughing when they get their power bills.
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  Speaker 3: Are all the workers that are losing their job because
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  Speaker 3: their industry is going offshore? Are they laughing at what
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  Speaker 3: you're doing to our economy? No surprise after that was
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  Speaker 3: the first tough question that the PM then shut down
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  Speaker 3: the press conference and scarp it out of the room.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a joke.
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  Speaker 3: And unless the Opposition opposes all of the not just
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  Speaker 3: the twenty thirty five targets, and good on them today
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  Speaker 3: for saying that, but all of the net zero nonsense,
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  Speaker 3: we are finished as a first world economy. We might
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  Speaker 3: as well start learning to speak Mandarin now or Arabic.
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  Speaker 3: It just depends who takes over us first, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we really are starting to give up on ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: Just it makes me angry. Well, our Prime minister might
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  Speaker 3: have had trouble and still has trouble getting an audience
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  Speaker 3: with Donald Trump. Our King no such difficulty. Anthony Alvineazy
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  Speaker 3: hasn't been able to stress the importance of aucas to
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  Speaker 3: our main ally, but today the King didn't.
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  Speaker 13: Miss Tyrane once again threatens Europe.
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  Speaker 2: We and our allies.
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  Speaker 13: Stand together in support of Ukraine to the terror aggression
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  Speaker 13: and secure peace. And our August submarine partnership with Australia
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  Speaker 13: sets the benchmark for innovative and batal collaboration.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you just love don't you just love that it's
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  Speaker 3: the King King of Australia. It's been able to do
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  Speaker 3: what our Republican Prime minister seemingly can't. I just love that.
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  Speaker 3: It's all about the twenty thirty five targets.
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  Speaker 2: Today.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get those headlines down from our reporter in camera,
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  Speaker 3: Cam Reddin.
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  Speaker 14: Good evening, Australia has set its twenty thirty five emissions
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  Speaker 14: reduction target, a decision that will have ramification stretching far
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  Speaker 14: beyond the next election.
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  Speaker 4: And we think we've got the sweet spot.
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  Speaker 14: It's been set as a range, upgrading our twenty thirty
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  Speaker 14: target of a forty three percent production on two thousand
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  Speaker 14: and five levels to a sixty two to seventy percent
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  Speaker 14: reduction by twenty thirty five, another step on the road
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  Speaker 14: to the ultimate goal of net zero by twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 15: This utter failure of a climate target is a betrayal
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  Speaker 15: of Australian communities.
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  Speaker 9: I was hoping we might see seventy.
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  Speaker 5: A target over seventy is not achievable.
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  Speaker 7: We are dead against Labour's twenty thirty five interim emission
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  Speaker 7: reduction targets.
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  Speaker 6: The reality is that in three years of government they
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  Speaker 6: haven't reduced emissions at all four households.
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  Speaker 14: Advice from the Climate Change Authority says a coordinated transition
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  Speaker 14: to renewables could save around one thousand dollars a year
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  Speaker 14: on energy costs.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe that'll come true?
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  Speaker 16: Absolute nonsense, Absolute nonsense.
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  Speaker 9: And what exact you are?
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  Speaker 4: You yourself laughed when you ask that question, So it
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  Speaker 4: should be treated in the way, in the spirit in
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  Speaker 4: which you've done. What we know is if we don't act,
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  Speaker 4: there will be a cost to the economy, as the
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  Speaker 4: Treasurer has outlined.
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  Speaker 14: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: We'll stay with this story obviously the twenty thirty five target.
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  Speaker 3: Joining me now for my panel journalist at the Daily
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  Speaker 3: Telegraph in Cidney, James Willis the Sky News contributor, Caroly
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  Speaker 3: Katz and Barness Will Welcome to you both. James, you've
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  Speaker 3: saw there in that package a lot of political reaction,
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  Speaker 3: and I mean a lot of that's the very hard
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  Speaker 3: left to wants seventy and above.
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  Speaker 2: You've done a whole lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Reporting though on renewables, the role at thus far and
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  Speaker 3: everything that underpins these targets. I mean, that's where the
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  Speaker 3: rubber hits the row. We know people are angry now
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  Speaker 3: what's happening in the communities, But there's all these you know,
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  Speaker 3: scammers and shiste and foreign money in the subsidy trough.
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  Speaker 3: With these sort of numbers, that's going to get a
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  Speaker 3: whole of a lot.
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  Speaker 17: Worse and solo right down to the household incentives which
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  Speaker 17: were meant to encourage everyone to get a new fridge,
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  Speaker 17: to get a new hot water system, to get a
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  Speaker 17: new battery, to get solar panels. There has been so
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  Speaker 17: much government money pumped into this scheme. Mind you, we
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  Speaker 17: don't know the exact amount because large figures have been
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  Speaker 17: kept under commercial in confidence.
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  Speaker 16: But already we've got a situation.
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  Speaker 17: Where Regional Australia is pushing back hard on this rollout
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  Speaker 17: of renewable energy, which is overwhelmingly impacting the bush.
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  Speaker 16: We don't have offshore wind.
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  Speaker 17: It looks like there's going to be no offshore wind left,
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  Speaker 17: and that's largely because people in ill Warror and Newcastle
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  Speaker 17: rejected them for their view. We certainly don't have them
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  Speaker 17: off Bondi Beach. But the bush has been made as
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  Speaker 17: you know too well to where the brunt of all
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  Speaker 17: of this, and so these green energy companies have come in.
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  Speaker 16: Most of them are overseas, some of them.
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  Speaker 17: Have got poor books, others I mean, I might just
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  Speaker 17: add that the most complicated but the most lucrative scheme
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  Speaker 17: that the government offers the capacity investment scheme, which basically
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  Speaker 17: the government will underwrite a project, guarantee you maximum and
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  Speaker 17: minimum earnings every quarter, and if you go under that,
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  Speaker 17: taxpayers will fund well. Some of the people that have
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  Speaker 17: picked up those subsidies include a Malaysian oil giant who
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  Speaker 17: are probably the biggest emitter in Malaysia, a government owned company,
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  Speaker 17: a couple of projects by BP the oil giant, and
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  Speaker 17: just heaps of foreign companies that ultimately are run by
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  Speaker 17: very wealthy people and have actually really no interest in
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  Speaker 17: reducing emissions.
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  Speaker 16: This is all about a quick buck.
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  Speaker 17: And they've discovered that Austraya has got a system.
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  Speaker 16: That doesn't have guardrails in place.
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  Speaker 17: We've done a story today about the fact that for
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  Speaker 17: every solar panel that the government celebrates, there's one that
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  Speaker 17: looks like it's being thrown out. Sixty thousand tons of
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  Speaker 17: solar panels being thrown out across the country every year.
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  Speaker 17: That'll be ninety five thousand by the end of the decade.
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  Speaker 17: And I've spoken to a very senior source in the
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  Speaker 17: green energy sector that installs these panels, and Chris Bowen
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  Speaker 17: giving everyone a cheaper battery at the start of this year,
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  Speaker 17: and all the green energy companies saying how good is
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  Speaker 17: cheaper batteries. Well, everyone's upgrading their solar system now as
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  Speaker 17: well and throwing the old system out. Guess what, the
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  Speaker 17: government doesn't have a recycling scheme in place. Plus the
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  Speaker 17: fact that most of his stuff, big and small and
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  Speaker 17: in between, is made in China, and the government's got
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  Speaker 17: this massive twenty billion dollar made in Australia fund. Well,
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  Speaker 17: I'll tell you what made in Australia should be net
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  Speaker 17: zero And if we can't even do that, we're kidding ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: And I have great concerns still, and others do as well,
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  Speaker 3: about Chinese made batteries on the side of your house,
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  Speaker 3: which are basically like a bomb if China wanted to
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  Speaker 3: detonate them at any time in the future. That's been
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  Speaker 3: said this week about electric vehicles. The same goes with
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  Speaker 3: home batteries. Let today she was strong saying that the
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Coalition will oppose this twenty thirty five target, but at
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: the same time sticking by her claim that they can't
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: have their own position on anything much beyond that while
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: they've got these reviews underway.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: Have a listen, we are dead against Labour's twenty thirty
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: five interim emission reduction targets.
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: Do you've been at zero?
• 20:25
  Speaker 16: D twenty fifty is also woefully impossible.
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: Our energy policy is going through a detailed policy development process.
• 20:33
  Speaker 15: That's our energy policy.
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: More broadly, targets must be achievable and realistic and these are.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Not okay, Caroline.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: So she can have a position on Labour's policy within
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: two hours of them announcing it. Two hours she says
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: we're not going to back these targets. She cannot hide
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: behind this idea that she's got to review herself stupid
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: for a year before she has a position on net zero.
• 21:00
  Speaker 18: Peter, I think Susan Lee is actually running out of time.
• 21:02
  Speaker 18: I'm not talking about a challenge to her leadership, but
• 21:04
  Speaker 18: she needs to give the Australian people a definitive answer
• 21:07
  Speaker 18: and just say no, the Liberal Party does not the
• 21:10
  Speaker 18: Coalition does not back these targets. You know, Labor hasn't
• 21:13
  Speaker 18: been able to achieve what it proposed given the previous
• 21:17
  Speaker 18: emissions targets. She needs to come out also big business.
• 21:21
  Speaker 18: Big business is signing its own death warrant by agreeing
• 21:23
  Speaker 18: to these targets because shareholders the value is going to
• 21:27
  Speaker 18: go down as well.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: What are they doing.
• 21:28
  Speaker 18: They're doing it what so they can get some political
• 21:30
  Speaker 18: cred to be able to go to, you know, environment conferences.
• 21:33
  Speaker 18: We've got Anthony Albanezi going over wanting to bid for
• 21:36
  Speaker 18: COP thirty one for Australia. Anyone reminding him about all
• 21:39
  Speaker 18: the emissions they're going to happen with people flying over
• 21:41
  Speaker 18: in planes. But getting back to Susan Lee read the room.
• 21:45
  Speaker 18: You've got Matt Canavan, you've got Andrew Hasty, you've got
• 21:48
  Speaker 18: Little Proud coming out. You've got to actually make the
• 21:51
  Speaker 18: decision and give the Australian people something to believe in
• 21:54
  Speaker 18: so that they can say yes, so the contest of
• 21:57
  Speaker 18: ideas can actually happen, not wait for another year.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: And look they're all into dependence. The people that haven't
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: can follow this. If we know we're not going to
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: meet twenty thirty, if the coalition is saying, well, we
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: don't back twenty thirty five, Well, how the heck can
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you get to twenty fifty. It's like building the foundations
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: of a house. If you haven't got the foundations, you
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: can't put the roof on. So I'd be scrapping twenty
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: fifty right now. Come on, Coalition, get check together. The
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: country is crying out for change the issue of migration too,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: and it didn't surprise me. James Willis, you know how
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: this game works. The day that they put out the
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: big twenty thirty five number, they wash their migration data out.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: This is the March quarter data. Just over one hundred
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: and ten thousand people came in that quarter. In terms
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: of net migration, these are huge numbers.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: They are huge numbers.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: And we're going to get to very likely, I think,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: by the end of the year, a record position. But
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: of course, you know, if we talk about it, we're racist.
• 22:54
  Speaker 17: Yeah, and it's important to know that the actual metric here, Peter,
• 22:59
  Speaker 17: is people leaving versus people that are arriving.
• 23:03
  Speaker 16: So it's actually the final number.
• 23:05
  Speaker 17: It's still way too high, a thousand people a day.
• 23:08
  Speaker 17: And it's not a racist argument. We're talking about numbers here,
• 23:11
  Speaker 17: we're talking about rent, we're talking about.
• 23:13
  Speaker 16: Where people can live, where they can go to school,
• 23:15
  Speaker 16: and we're.
• 23:16
  Speaker 17: Also talking about who we are allowing into this country,
• 23:19
  Speaker 17: including what are they actually bringing to this country.
• 23:22
  Speaker 16: Now, there was a really interesting university.
• 23:24
  Speaker 17: Study that I was reading this week that we've been
• 23:26
  Speaker 17: led to believe that most people that are coming here
• 23:29
  Speaker 17: are coming here because.
• 23:30
  Speaker 16: They're skilled workers and we've got a worker shortage.
• 23:32
  Speaker 17: But the overwhelming number of people are actually family members
• 23:36
  Speaker 17: of someone who has already moved here, that are one
• 23:39
  Speaker 17: or two extra family members or maybe more.
• 23:42
  Speaker 16: So it is time to have this discussion.
• 23:44
  Speaker 17: I think it's crazy that there are people in the
• 23:46
  Speaker 17: Liberal Party that say they tried to go too hard
• 23:49
  Speaker 17: on this or the election last time. You've got to
• 23:51
  Speaker 17: keep this on the agenda. Labor's obviously not going to
• 23:54
  Speaker 17: do anything about it, but ultimately, if you sell properly,
• 23:58
  Speaker 17: this is a key point of difference. It's amazing that
• 24:00
  Speaker 17: there are moderate Liberals Peter that have been telling me
• 24:04
  Speaker 17: that the cuts were too hard last time and they
• 24:06
  Speaker 17: need to scrap this and start embracing.
• 24:09
  Speaker 16: Migrants a little bit more. I don't think that's in
• 24:11
  Speaker 16: the best interest of Australia.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Tee.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: You know, liberal would want to lecture me today about
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: moderate liberals knowing what they're talking about, because the clown
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: there in the blue tie and their press conference with
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: all the labor front benches was, of course, the former
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: and still leading liberal moderate from New South Wales, Matt Keane.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: So tell your story, walkin.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I'd say that to liberals today on the moderate side
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: of the factions. Let's go to Victoria if I can
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: carelli the crime crisis. We know it's out of control,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: but we learned today that prisons in Victoria by MIDNXT
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: year could be full.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Now I know what's happening here.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: This is all a labor attempt to make it almost
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: impossible for the coalition to be credible. With Brad Batten's
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: plan to put more people behind bars and to cancel
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: bail if required.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: The government's going to say, yes, that.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Sounds great, but he can't deliver because there isn't the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: room in the prison.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: So I've got a solution for him.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Victoria spent six hundred million dollars to build a detention
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: facility during COVID. The place is a ghost town. It's empty.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Look how big it is. Let's make that a prison
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: for juveniles.
• 25:20
  Speaker 18: Excellent, idea, Peter, I've got another idea as well. Two
• 25:22
  Speaker 18: hundred and sixteen billion dollars for the suburban railroop, one
• 25:25
  Speaker 18: point one billion dollars to build a prison. Not saying
• 25:28
  Speaker 18: we need two hundred and sixteen prisons, but there you go.
• 25:31
  Speaker 18: There's where the money should be going. Complete crisis in
• 25:34
  Speaker 18: Victoria with the youth crime crisis, machetes, and I know
• 25:37
  Speaker 18: where most Victorians taxpayers dollars would rather be spent.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Right, I'll leave it there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get into the detail, a bit more
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: granular detail of what we saw from the government today.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Thank you both joining me now, Director of Energy Research
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: at the Center for Independent Studies, Aidan Morrison.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And thank you for your time.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is sort of grand final day for
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: someone like you, given all of your understanding of emissions
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: reduction and nuclear power and all of this climate policy,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: just at a higher level. What did you make of
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the analysis behind the targets, the missing costings from the paperwork?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: And I guess the government's constant reiteration in that press
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: conference that we are way above the rest of the
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: world in terms of our ambitions, as if that's something
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: like a good thing.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It just seems that at the moment there's a complete gap,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a credibility gap, if you like. I just can't see
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: how any of this is remotely plausible at the moment,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: where nowhere near reaching our twenty thirty targets. Basically, the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: role out of renewal energy has pretty much stalled. Even
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the subsidy schemes like the capacity Investment scheme don't seem
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to be driving much of an arptique in actual construction
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: of renewal energy. The Bush is firmly against it. We're
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: less than half, probably less than a third of the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: way towards where we need to be to reach twenty
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: thirty targets, and so I just can't see any plausible
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: world in which we're going to reach the later targets.
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: Would have to more than double the rate.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: At which we've decarbonized since twenty two thousand and five
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to reach that twenty thirty five target, And almost all
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the progress we've made on that two thousand and five
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: baseline has actually come from not emissions reductions, but increases
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: in carbon sinks from changes to land use, mostly slowing
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: down the clearing in Queensland, Okay, And so that's what's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: given US all our gains to date, we have barely
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: made a mark on the actual other emissions and so
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: now we're starting to clear land again in Queensland to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: put up wind turbines. So I think there's just a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: massive credibility gap that's opened up here. There's no chance
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: at all that we can reach the targets that have
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: been aspired to.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: And we just had that table on the screen there
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: of what other markets are doing around the world, and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: of course the Prime Minister points to Europe particularly today,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: but of course they've got heavy investment in nuclear same
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: thing in relation to the UK about their forward nuclear plans.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: And when you look at like economies with Australia, you know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: resources in Canada or agriculture in New Zealand, they've got
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: a much much lower target. And of course all the
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: big guys, all the big emitters, Russia, India, China, well
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: they're not even in the game. And the US has
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: said see you later.
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: So I don't think there's any serious players that are
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: aiming for very high for a good reason. I mean
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you would look at say the UK there they have
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a high target, but they have absolutely horrendously high electricity
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: prices and they're basically driving away their industry completely. Germany
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the same, A bunch of captains of industry, including a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: major union, have said that it's the largest industrial crisis
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: in Germany. So you can't admire these countries and say
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that's right, we should do that that's working. It's patently
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: obvious that it's not working in those parts. And yet
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: we're saying that we should be ambitious like that. They've
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: got economic destruction happening there. We should not be aspiring
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: for the same thing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: So nowhere in that document today do they tell us
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: how much this is going to cost Australia despite all
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: the resources of Treasury. And this has been the story
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: of the government now for a term and a half.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I did laugh at the treasure today in their press conference.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: It kept reiterating that the cost of inaction is catastrophic
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: and he went through all of these examples. Well, how
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: do they know what the cost of inaction is if
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: they haven't even tellied up the cost of action?
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: That's exactly right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And again, this credibility gap is just enormous now because
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: this document has basically said we've done a detailed economic analysis. Actually, wait,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: for it. They didn't do a detailed economic analysis. The
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Climate Change Authority. They commissioned Australia's Science Agency, not an
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: economic agent. They commissioned the CSIRO to do the heavy
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: lifting for their analysis. Now the CSIRO has not, so
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: far as I can tell, released that document. I've gone
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: looking for it today and I can't find it anywhere.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And that actually matches what we've seen with for example,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: CSIRS gen cost report, they have not released even under
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Freedom information claim they can't release it because it's too
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: commercially valuable to keep that stuff secret. So the CSIRO
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is the ones back in these numbers, and they've made
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: some just incredible claims that've said that we could reach
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: net zero by twenty thirty five and only shave off
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a single point one of a percent of our GDP growth,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and that GDP growth rate is actually high on what
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: we had.
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: In the last year.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So they're essentially saying that we can hit twenty we
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: can hit in at zero by twenty thirty five. I
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: just think that that analysis, when we see it, will
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: be absolutely away with the fairies, and it's disgraceful they
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: have not released it on the same day so that
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: we can actually analyze that and pull it apart.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it has just come to me
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: as I'm sitting here thinking, what the heck would I
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: do if I was back in the PM's office, or
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: actually I was opposition leader's office. I'd be running an
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: election promise on a royal commission into all of this detail,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: and I would put every single document out there for
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: public consumption and let all the experts and analysts tear
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: them apart, because I think the cover up and the
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: secrete around all of this stuff for the last fifteen
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: years is extraordinary. I mean this claim today that follow
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: this plan and will reduce power prices by thirteen percent,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: that has been said by labor now for about twenty years. Now,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong, But the only time power
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: prices dropped at all in the last twenty years is
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: when Tony Abbott scrapped the carbon tax.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: They dropped by ten percent. Now that that's the truth.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is right, But I think it's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: even worse than that. I absolutely agree with your call
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: for a potential role commission because that number that you
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: decided at thirteen percent claim it came from a report
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: from the market Commission and the Market Commission had actually
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: stopped doing that report, the Residential Electricity Price Trends Report,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: as soon as Labor took office. It was something they'd
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: been commissioned to do. They have a proper terms of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: reference and the ministers had asked them to do that,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and it used to be an excellent and very valuable
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: document would anchor itself in a current year project forward
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: exactly three years, breaking down all the different cost components
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: that make up your bill, and they stopped as soon as.
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: Labour took Their excuse was the Ukraine War.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Year later they used more or less the same excuse
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and stopped that report. When they restarted it, they've created
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: it completely differently and it's turned into a piece of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: fan fiction honestly for the ISP and Labor's policy. And
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: they're creating this policy now saying that they think that
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: they will be able to have thirteen percent off.
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: It's based on some absolutely ludicrous.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Assumptions, like that consumers will keep buying evs and batteries
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and solar panels, never expecting a return on those assets.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: So they're basically assuming that consumers will buy all that
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: stuff for free. They're assuming that Hydro will bid into
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the grid at between seven and twenty dollars a Mega
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: what hour, when in reality they exercised their market power
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: to bid in at one hundred and fifty or two
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars in Mega what hour. So that is an
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: absolutely horrendous document. Three years ago it was a brilliant document.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So we should be asking, we should be deep diving
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: what has happened that our trusted institutions has started producing
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: nonsense when in fact they used to be producing quality
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: work to falsify these claims that this is going to
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: somehow push electricity prices down when frankly, it never has
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and never will.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Keep it up aid and keep it up. You've got
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: to hold into account. We're going to keep fighting this
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: fight all the way through to the end. I'll leave
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: it there, thank you, tea what then pick up the phone.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Tonight on my way home.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I think that is an absolutely brilliant election commitment for
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: the Coalition. But speaking of Tony Abbott here, he joins
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: me after the break, welcome back. In a moment we'll
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: spect with a farmer as yet another regional community is
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: fighting back against a massive rollout of renewables, this time
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: it's batteries and it's happening everywhere. But first let's bring
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: in former Prime Minister Tony Abbott Tonyo. I want to
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: start with climate targets because I know you know this
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: issue intimately. I know you know it's one that Australians
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: do care about. When they understand the detail, they actually
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: vote against what the Left think they want. Explain to
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: me this, if we can't as a country meet a
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: forty three percent decrease in emissions in five years time
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: and no experts says we can, and how on earth
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: are we going to meet a seventy percent drop in
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: ten years time.
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: Well, Peter, you put it very well in your editorial.
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: You said that what this government is doing is doubling
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: down on failure. I really want to make two points.
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: The first point is that we have got to run
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: our power supply to produce affordable and reliable electricity, not
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: to reduce emissions. And that means getting more gas out
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: of the ground and using it here, and it means
• 34:41
  Speaker 10: keeping our coal fired power stations going. The other point
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: I want to make is that every time the Coalition
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: has made climate and energy an issue in an election,
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: we've done well. We fought Labor to a drawer campaigning
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: against the emissions Trading Scheme twenty ten, Labour's great big
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: new tax and everything. We stormed home in twenty thirteen
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: campaigning against Labour's carbon tax. We had a miracle win
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: in twenty nineteen when Sounded Matt Canavan in particular, campaigned
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: against Labour's forty five percent by twenty thirty emission's reaction target.
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: So the Coalition has got to create a contest here.
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: And as for that fantasy press conference today from Labor,
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: this idea that somehow China is leading the world in
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: renewables's there's only one word for that, or two words,
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: in fact, bes That's what it is. China gets sixty
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: percent of its power from coal, and China is massively
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: expanding its coal fiede power. And if it's good enough
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: for them, and if it's good enough for us to
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: export the coal to China, why shouldn't we be using
• 35:58
  Speaker 10: it here?
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I've got to also make the point to you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: you know what it's like to put policy through cabinet
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: and take it through the parliament. How do we get
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: in a situation where you know, it was Prime Minister
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: and Chris Bowen saying this is the biggest change to
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: our economy since the Industrial Revolution. And there is not
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: a costing on any document from this government in terms
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: of climate policy for nearly a term and a half,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: not not one costing.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: For the voter.
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: This is a case study in governmental self delusion. The
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: idea that we can do something which even they admit
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: is a massive economic transformation, and that it's all going
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: to be painless, that it will involve no significant cost whatsoever.
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: Its bonkers, absolute bonkers. And this constantly reiterated statement that
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: we don't have to worry about the cost because the
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: cost of inaction is greater than the cost of action. Well,
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: given the Chief Scientist himself has admitted that nothing we
• 37:16
  Speaker 10: do will make any difference. The cost of inaction is zero,
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: precisely zero. The cost of what the government is proposing
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: is astronomical. Again, I think you mentioned these figures in
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: your editorial. The net zero study put it at one
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: point five trillion just by twenty thirty. The Business Council
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: recently put it add up to a half a trillion dollars.
• 37:44
  Speaker 10: And this is money that we just don't have, particularly
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: as this government is effectively closing down much of our
• 37:54
  Speaker 10: resource sector, which is what we need to pay for.
• 37:58
  Speaker 10: The ever who is spending that this government is addicted to.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I like that the shoes on
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: the other foot. You know you've written down some notes
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: of things I've said in a speech rather rather than
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: the other way around as it used to be. Let
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: me talk to you on camera about Charlie Kirktony, because
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I know we've spoken on the fine, but you know
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I haven't had a chance to do that publicly for
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: your reflections or not just the individual and what he
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: stood for, but what this says about our public life.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I know that you met him briefly this year. What
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: does it say about the West in particular and our
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: now terrible inability to have a civil disagreement or a
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: civil debate.
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  Speaker 10: Well, what happened to Charlie Kirk was effectively a public execution,
• 38:55
  Speaker 10: and he's been created effectively a martyr for free speech.
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  Speaker 10: He has had a remarkable impact on young people, particularly
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: on young men. I am extraordinarily struck by just how
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: many people have mentioned to me the impact that he's
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: had on their lives. I guess because they have seen
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: him as a witness for truth. He was someone who
• 39:26
  Speaker 10: was prepared to go in to the most woke institutions
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: imaginable and basically say to people, challenge me, challenge me,
• 39:38
  Speaker 10: and in the end they couldn't or they couldn't do
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: it effectively. He was prepared to debate his opponents to
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: a standstill, and I suppose that's why the lunatic left
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: has decided to silence him.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to talk to you about the documentary, Bea.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I've written this book that will be launched sooner, a
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: history of Australia and a history that I hope people
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: will read and feel proud about our country again. You
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: know it's not all sunlit uplands. You cover some of
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: the dark days as well. But we've talked ourselves down
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: for so long. I think this will be a real
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: shot in the arm. But you've not only done the book,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: you've also done a three part documentary. I know it's
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: been a labor of love, but why did you think
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: this was so.
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  Speaker 2: Important, Peter.
• 40:33
  Speaker 10: A country that does not understand its past is bereft
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: and lost in the present and in the future. All
• 40:45
  Speaker 10: our yesterdays create today, and a better understanding of them
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: is going to enable us to create a better tomorrow.
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: And yes, nations like people have got to be selfware.
• 41:01
  Speaker 10: But any reasonable self awareness about Australia would demonstrate that
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: we have got far more to be proud of than
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: embarrassed about.
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  Speaker 16: And yet the typical.
• 41:15
  Speaker 10: History teaching today dwells on the dark side, dwells on
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: what Jeffrey Blaney once called the black armband view of history.
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: And I am determined to tell what I think is
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: the true story. And at the very least it is
• 41:33
  Speaker 10: a glass half full history, and we need, at the
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: very least a glass half full approach to our country.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Trufic and I can't wait for it. I haven't even
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: seen it. I'll tell my viewers at home. I've flicked
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: through the book, of course, but I haven't seen this,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: and I can't wait to see it. Tiny, thank you,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you a lot.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: That is Australia a History Air of course of Sky News,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: October thirteen. It kicks off right through to October fifteen,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: at half past seven over those three nights, all right
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: after break, we'll talk to a farmer who's in the
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: fight of his life, he and his community about a
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: massive battery farm and Donald Trump listing Antifa as a
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: terror organization.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: A four hundred and fifty three million dollar renewal battery
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: system has been improved by the Victorian government in northeast Victoria,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: despite strong opposition from locals. Locals in the town of Detterrang,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: close to the proposed side for the Kewah Valley battery system,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: arrived at concerned about the impact on farmland and the
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: risk of bushfires. De Terrang farmer Sharon McAvoy joins me. Now, Sharon,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: thank you for your time. Give us a sense of
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: your concerns about the project.
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  Speaker 2: You Peter, and thank you for having me.
• 42:54
  Speaker 15: Our concerns are many, and bushfire is right at the
• 42:58
  Speaker 15: top of the list. That's been a major concern from
• 43:01
  Speaker 15: day one. So bushfire risk here. We live in the
• 43:03
  Speaker 15: Alpine Shire. It's one of the most bushfire prone areas
• 43:07
  Speaker 15: of our state. Where they're putting the site is right
• 43:11
  Speaker 15: on what we call the sixty eight line, which is
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: a line that they've used twice to fight bushfires that
• 43:17
  Speaker 15: they carve out across the farms and we're all putting
• 43:22
  Speaker 15: gates in after the nine fires to make the properties
• 43:25
  Speaker 15: accessible for it. I should need a rise, and this
• 43:29
  Speaker 15: massive bess is right along that line, making the access
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: of that track impossible. It puts our local CFA of
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: which I and my husband and many others who impacted
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: members that put us anything to happen, so fire is
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: a huge risk. Gets very close to the state forest.
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: And this is the second proposal. There's already another one
• 43:55
  Speaker 15: that's been approved a little bit bit a couple of
• 43:57
  Speaker 15: hundred meters below it. And the other concerns that we
• 44:01
  Speaker 15: have obviously for the environment and the water. There's a
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: multimillion dollar dairy farm to the east of it who
• 44:08
  Speaker 15: rely on springs for their water source for their home,
• 44:16
  Speaker 15: and they're horrified about what could happen when they have
• 44:18
  Speaker 15: to carve out the hillside. There's a sixty five meter
• 44:23
  Speaker 15: rising elevation across the site, and this train of solar
• 44:28
  Speaker 15: company they say that don't worry about it. We'll just
• 44:31
  Speaker 15: come in and will bulldoze the site and level it
• 44:34
  Speaker 15: and put a concrete slab down and build a bess.
• 44:37
  Speaker 15: Now sixty five meters of elevation that is massive. That
• 44:42
  Speaker 15: is a massive scar on the hillside, and we don't
• 44:45
  Speaker 15: know what that will do to the underground water.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Table and we have to live next to it.
• 44:49
  Speaker 15: For us personally, we are probably the most impacted because
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: both of these battery sites are or on our boundary.
• 45:00
  Speaker 15: It's it's really devastating and the community are horrified. And
• 45:04
  Speaker 15: I was given the task of leading the community. But
• 45:07
  Speaker 15: you can't lead a community unless the community follows you.
• 45:11
  Speaker 15: And we've had massive support, which has been amazing because
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: the people are up in arms. They don't want it here.
• 45:17
  Speaker 15: We were never consulted. It was just imposed upon us,
• 45:21
  Speaker 15: and you know, we are scared. We're losing the liveability
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: of our homes and our lives. Our properties have been devalued.
• 45:30
  Speaker 15: I have that in writing from an independent valuer. So
• 45:34
  Speaker 15: it's just a really horrible situation and it's hard to
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: know where to go from here. The state government aren't listening.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they.
• 45:45
  Speaker 15: Even read our submissions. In fact, I know they said
• 45:49
  Speaker 15: in their plant, one of their that it would not
• 45:54
  Speaker 15: be viewable from the closest residents, which is our home.
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: And I can tell you one hundred percent it is
• 46:02
  Speaker 15: one hundred percent viewable from the window behind me here
• 46:06
  Speaker 15: and from our outside entertainment area and from our laundry.
• 46:11
  Speaker 15: A blatant lie and someone's true.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to jump in.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have to just leave it there because
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: we're starting to lose your connection. But I think it's
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: really important to get you on because we know there
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: was one.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Thousand submissions made.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: The state government's trying to railroad you and the federal
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: government and all this stuff and ounce today is also
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: impacting how this stuff happens in regional communities.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: We will stay on this issue.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I will stay in fint in your corner, and if
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: anyone wants to support Sharon and the people of debt
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Rang find information please on the Sky News website, write
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: to your local MPs. But we'll certainly keep the heat
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: on the issue. And she's right about battery fires. It's
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: the biggest risk the fire authorities in Victoria say is
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: facing them at the moment, they have no answers.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: There's huge lithyum fires. All right, quick break.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: When we get back, we'll go to get into Antifa.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's going after them, wants to list them as
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: a terror organization.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Late Night host Jimmy Kimmel has had his show pulled, scrapped,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: canceled indefinitely following these comments.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Related to Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin.
• 47:23
  Speaker 19: We hit some new lows over the weekend with the
• 47:25
  Speaker 19: Maga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
• 47:29
  Speaker 19: Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and
• 47:32
  Speaker 19: everything they can to score political points from it.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Do me now my panel Sky on his contributor Kosher
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Gada and the past chair of Parliament'seign Affairs and Defense Committee,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Michael Danby. Well, Michael, they are shocking comments, but they're
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: not the worst that are around on it. I do
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: commend the broadcaster for Yankee in his chain and canceling
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: the show. But others have tried to sort of imply
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: from the text exchanges with the transgender partner, that's a
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: love story and this guy is only just murdered someone allegedly.
• 48:07
  Speaker 12: Well, it's like that murder of the insurance executive in
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: New York is being made out to be a hero
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: by some people. He's got a coacherie of young women fans.
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: I mean, it's sick, Peter. Why do people who disagree
• 48:22
  Speaker 12: with Donald Trump, and there are many reasons to disagree
• 48:25
  Speaker 12: with him, I disagree with him on taking firm action
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: against Russia over Ukraine. Have to turn this killer into
• 48:33
  Speaker 12: a mega supporter. It's so manifestly untrue, bad journalism, bad show.
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: I'm not saying you should have been canceled, but I
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: mean it's a mind virus. Everything that Donald Trump does,
• 48:46
  Speaker 12: ever said, means you've got to classify anyone who was
• 48:51
  Speaker 12: a supporter of his, like Kirk, and then defend their killers,
• 48:54
  Speaker 12: I mean, and turn them into mega supporters.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Cuckoo. Well, he's got their gloves off Johnald Trump.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: I mean he has absolutely gone after our block ABC
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: bloke John Lyons in that press conference. He's reportedly now
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: blocked him from press conferences or blocked the ABC for
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: press conferences in the UK. I don't suspect you'll getting
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: into the White House again. He went hard on the
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Kimmel staff out there on Twitter, and of course now
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: he's going after Antifa kosher.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: He is now.
• 49:24
  Speaker 11: Many have said that this should have been done sooner,
• 49:27
  Speaker 11: designating Antife as terrorist organization. Charlie Kirk himself actually called
• 49:30
  Speaker 11: for that, not that it wasn't tried. Trump tried to
• 49:32
  Speaker 11: do it in his first term. A couple of senators
• 49:34
  Speaker 11: tried to bring in on the floor and for various reasons.
• 49:37
  Speaker 11: It just never did. I think in the week of
• 49:39
  Speaker 11: this there's so much more oxygen on the issue that
• 49:42
  Speaker 11: it'll happen. The issue with designating domestic organizations as terrorist
• 49:47
  Speaker 11: organizations is there isn't one statute that can wrap it up.
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: Their ideology can't be prosecuted as heinous as it is
• 49:52
  Speaker 11: because it's protected by free speech. What it does do, though,
• 49:55
  Speaker 11: is it opens up more investigatory avenues where the FBI
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: can go in and start to con struct investigations in
• 50:01
  Speaker 11: a more organized fashion for who's funding them, who's promoting
• 50:04
  Speaker 11: them in these different chat servers, et cetera, and try
• 50:07
  Speaker 11: to construct a case on the basis of that, and
• 50:09
  Speaker 11: hopefully they act quickly because it seems like the temperature
• 50:12
  Speaker 11: is only going up.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Michael, I, now you're over, says, we'll catch up with
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: you next week, and I'll look for a reporter. I
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: won't say where you are, but I'll look for a
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: report from my viewers and what it's like on the ground.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I'll leave it there.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Have a lovely weekend, everyone, See you Monday.