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The Pacers Report with Mike Rich (2.121.2) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the Central Indian Sports Report Pacers fans for
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This week's Pacers Report with Mike Rich, the Pacers had games back to back nights, both losses, both pretty ugly.
• 1:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They now stand at six and 23 through 29 games as they head into a couple day break here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And just wanted to get Mike's kind of temperature, how he's feeling.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Mike, I kind of came into this season saying it was a win-win that every win that they get
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: of a good franchise, a good mature franchise, every loss is good for the draft lottery.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: The part of the equation was that Jaris Walker was part of the future and that Benedict Madder was gonna have good trade value and I'm starting to worry about those two.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I agree 100%.
• 1:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see somebody giving up a nice haul for Benedict Madder right now.
• 1:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jerry's Walker hasn't stepped up.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just think overall it's just overwhelming for our offense.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think Having a player like Tyre's Hall of Burton pawn the court.
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like driving a car without an engine right now
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He was the engine, he generated the offense, the pace is slow, the defense that any defense we play against is set up or slow, not a lot of ball movement either.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's too much on Nymhard and I think it's too much on Siak, I'm not having
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: a floor general on the floor that's running that offense and we're seeing it and and I agree that you're seeing some signs of hope with some of the players.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought we would see more with with Jared's walkers this year like you were saying, but I've been really impressed with with Murphy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy to see his growth.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really looking forward to the draft or one
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  [SPEAKER_00]: to debon't debon't say or boozer or Caleb Wilson.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going to have a top five pick.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to get any easier for us.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's a rotation.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to work.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's anything they should do during the four of the trade deadline unless they're going to get red of players for draft capital.
• 3:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's my feelings at this point in the season.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a way to do this season.
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you, Mike.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's mostly positives that they're 6 and 24s.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Mostly a good thing.
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am a little concerned about some things.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, Pascal Siakim, Andrew Nimhard, Aaron Nesmith, TJ McConnell.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about any of them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not concerned.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna play their role.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've been great.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Nimhard's been fantastic.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just doesn't have enough around him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: to do what he does best.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The bad thing is there's really nobody else that you want to be part of this future that I can see right now, except for, as you mentioned, Johnny Furfi, maybe, and another one, Cam Johnson.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the rest of this team, Jers Walker's, he look like a guy who's gonna be a part of the future.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's still young.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: but he's regressed, not only as he not made the leap that we expected with getting the playing time.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's regressed and regressed pretty significantly.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Jay Huff, Ethan Thompson, these guys, Quentin Jackson, Garrison Matthews aren't really a significant part of the future.
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see them as a significant part of the future.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's players filling in by committee.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's that next man that we can get to play mentality.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not next man up that's being developed in our G league and coming up, it's just to do.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're so thin with injuries and it's been difficult to find the right chemistry.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to have the right chemistry.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The team last year with Obetop and Tyre's haliburton, Nimhar, Siakum.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The chemistry was right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Haliburton just he complements Nimhard and Siakum and so well and it evolves their game.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He makes them better in the roles that they play.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Nimhard can.
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think there are players to do that for.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it would be mad they're in, but he's just really looked out of sync.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, he's his inconsistent.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't get over 30 points one night and then he's going to score 14, 15.
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: and turn them all over and be a liability on defense.
• 5:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it is about you's going down.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's anything they can get foring at the trade deadline.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Make the move.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Trust in pressure and make the move.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Keep the key pieces that you want for the future.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And start researching the draft because you're going to be in a lottery.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd really like to see
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: These minutes, rather than going to Ethan Thompson and Jay Huff and James Wiseman and Tony Bradley and Garrison Matthews, I'd really like to see what we've have in Johnny Furfi.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's really young.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's not ready.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to see a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: of raw basketball for him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But the same with Cam Jones, Taylor and Peter, at least give these guys a shot that you'd draft that are NBA level talent.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We know they were, that's at least they were drafted to be that.
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd much rather see them play than these fill in guys at this point.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather see the development of what you've drafted.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And what we've seen from Jaris Walker is what we drafted is not what we're getting.
• 6:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was sixth overall pick, sixth or eighth overall pick.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we traded back or whatever to get him and he's not a top six pick.
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not producing.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he had a lot of promise last year.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: We both thought coming into this year was gonna be a big year for him, a big opportunity.
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's been a flop.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Early on, you looked like exactly the player we were talking about.
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think seeing Murphy over the summer develop in the summer league and then continue to grow.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's getting better.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's getting stronger.
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's getting better.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not going to win, why not letting play and get the menets?
• 7:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Letting get the menets against good competition and get better.
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And again, you build for the future.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're not building for this year.
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: stop worrying about this year.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stop worrying about the next game.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just get the minutes for the players that need it for the future.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I understand that game Jones probably isn't ready for NBA minutes right now, but I'd also like to see him out on the court.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why not?
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Second round, there were a lot of rumors that they liked him to be a Nim-Hard type player and hopefully eventually be Nim-Hard's backup.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: A better Ben Shepherd is what you're hoping from Cam Jones.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so let's see it.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I started watching some highlights and clips of some of the top picks, and Dibonza is phenomenal.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: If there's an opportunity, he's physical, he's an inside president.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He likes to take it to the round loser, and both he's got an outside game and an inside game.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think either one of those individuals would be fantastic matched up with Siakum and
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and Tyre's Hall of Burton next year.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Kayle, I think Kayle Wilson is also fantastic.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Kayle Wilson has the most upside of any of them.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Darren Peterson's getting a lot of comparisons to some of the best players in NBA history.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: From Kansas, I have to start the question as toughness.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Since he's saying, oh, he has to be 100% in order for him to play a call back.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I thought the same, I, I, I, I, I questioned the toughness and that's that that would be concerning and he's not going to bang inside.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to shoot outside and he's going to get a shot.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He gets it.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he gets off a great shot, but I want somebody, that's, we, we need somebody inside.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We got enough people to shoot the ball outside.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Darren Peterson passing on him though might be a huge mistake if you were in position to take him.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying he might be that good.
• 10:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: But debonsa is fantastic.
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be why you everything that the Pacers want and need camera boozer, same thing.
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we've been talking about it for a long time.
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Wilson,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: kind of he's 610 he rebounds like crazy and he kind of just walks on air he's got that that natural gift that you when you see a basketball player you oh this guy's going to be different guys different yeah high-grey and he's still raw with his game but he's still producing as someone with raw gifts you see a lot of 22.15 rebound games now North Airlines is not winning
• 10:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... you're getting comparisons with germano neal i like that comparisons very good comparison a little more athletic i think even than germano neal but that that's what you're talking about him i think any of the top four five players in the draft are going to fit really well with with next year's team it does i i don't think it even matters and we you know where we're coming up on the new year march madness is it's a few months away
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see these tallage players grow and we're going to, yeah, hopefully the cream is going to rise to the top and we're going to find out who's going to be our best option.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we got, this is a great year to not be good.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great year to not be good.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a deep draft, by the way, with some potential to get another draft pick or two with some trades.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling that,
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those are the four guys right now, but I have a feeling that someone else is going to join them because there are just 15 16 deep really good basketball players in this draft.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: True, and.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Man, I smets from Purdue too bad.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not in and.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: in that group, and not going to be someone taking a run by a second round though.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm thinking.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see Braids bet on the Pacers as a second round draft pick.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he can be a TJ McConnell with more talent.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Harrison, I've been making for a long time with Scott Skiles who had a really nice NBA career.
• 12:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Might even be more athletic than Scott Skiles.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: think he's going to be a good pro.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's having a, he's having a phenomenal year to do.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just going to get better.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm super excited about the later part of the college season getting into the the big 10 matchups and looking forward to playing IU and that'll actually be I think a pretty good
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: pretty good game, both games, so pretty excited about that.
• 12:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really, you know, uh, again, just excited that, you know, there's a lot of talent coming up.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And again, this draft is gonna be, I think Kevin Pritcher is, it's got a good opportunity to make some really good moves.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And look at what we got and look what we can trade and build and the draft.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stay young.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Mike, I want to play a little game here.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go through the Pacer schedule.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stop me when you hear the next win.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, God.
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Friday, December 26, Boston at home.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Saturday, December 27, that Miami, the 29th at Houston.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: New Year's Eve Orlando at home, January 2nd, San Antonio at home, January 4th at Orlando, January 6th, Cleveland at home, January 8th at Charlotte, January 10th Miami at home, I would say maybe Charlotte, but they've played some really short handed teams and still lost.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well tonight, that is one of the frustrating things about this team is they're playing teams that have injuries as well.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought they were competitive last night against the Celtics.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was great.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: We call it as they were competitive.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were super competitive against the next.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It came down to the last second shot by Bronson.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love seeing that that fire in some of those big games.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they're going to have to play for.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have to play for.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: stepping up to that better competition and the only team I think they've probably got the series on as the bulls this year That's not a bad bull steam either.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, it's not a bad bull's team All right, I'm gonna keep going here January 12, Boston
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: January 14th, Toronto at home, Toronto is really good.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here you go.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: January 16th, New Orleans at home, although it's smoke just by 19 points at New Orleans, though, then at Detroit at Philadelphia at Boston at Oklahoma City at Atlanta.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then you have the wolves and hawks at home.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm thinking, I've taken Wednesday, January 28th is probably their best top to just keep going against the bulls.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Mike, we're going to be doing a lot of talking about Duke basketball and BYU basketball and Kansas basketball this year.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: We are and unfortunately.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, and that's okay.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where my mind shifted to.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as a patient fan, you want to see him be do well.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you want to see him win.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: But every day, you know, every game I really want to see him come out and perform.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see them win at the end of the game.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: If I have to give up one season for a good
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: a spectacular great future and potential of getting back to into the playoffs and competing for a championship.
• 16:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is just the path we're going to have to take right now and we don't have any choice.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, we don't.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's okay.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's just something you just can't change.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this team is going to be night in and night out.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: probably outmatched.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The benefit of that is those players continue to get better.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: They come out and they do everything they can to win the game.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I still see them playing hard.
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like that as a fan that they're giving up.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every Tuesday night, the Milwaukee game, it wasn't Max effort for sure, but I thought there was a lot of effort.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought there were about four or five plays that the Pacers played really well and Milwaukee made a lucky shot or got a bad call and it just kind of took the air out of this team.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you're going to have when you're short.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: and shouldn't do.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it shouldn't.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: They should move to the next game and they should be filling just like us.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, let's call out and give it our best effort.
• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: If we win, great, we're showing improvement.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: If we lose, we're we're down a lot of players.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of injuries.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Our best player on our team is out all year.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, this makes it better.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: It makes
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say this as a pacers fan who's going to watch every game no matter what, there are some things still to watch.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the development of Jers Walker and Benavid Dick Matherin are still important.
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: The it's kind of exciting potential development of Johnny Furfi is very important.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I think Cam Jones watching what he does the second half of the season.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then I think you're going to be competitive with teams.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you want to see that toward the end.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think even if it cost you a spot in the draft, you want to see some positive momentum at the end of the season.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the OB top and being down is has been a really big loss this year.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Neismet being down has been a big loss.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It might be wise for sure.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: matters been injured, and M. Hart's been injured.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot different than last we experienced the injury bug early last year.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: We overcome it.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't see that happening this year with this team, but I do see us potentially getting better after February, talking and hopefully comes back in mid-February and gets his legs under him.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We see a glimmer of hope for the future there
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, hell, matter continues to play like this.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can get him probably pretty cheap.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, we keep talking about all this college basketball.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: How much you want to bet that at the end of the day, Kevin, Richard uses that draft pick to get a player.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It better be a really good player.
• 19:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be what you're more engaging in your future on.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about a top level player.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about a first team all NBA player.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's in the works.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: At least when Madden had really good trade potential that seemed to be in the way.
• 19:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It would have to be someone really good because you're going to get one of these rookies coming out of this draft.
• 19:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's potential franchise player.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you get an amount of rookie contract.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know, but are they ready to,
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: to help a team that's ready to win a championship now is the question, and we know adding a star player to what we already have would without question make us a championship contender.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's pictures ammo to trade and he does, I mean, he does well with trades and it does way better with trades than he does with drafts and we, and those
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of questions in that room debating on who to take and not all four of them are potentially going to be those franchise players.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's still a pretty rest, so do you take something that you have guaranteed that's a franchise player that's already playing in the NBA and use that draft capital to get that.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it has to be the right player.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be somebody
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the, you know, favorite to be any Eastern Conference finals next year.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It sure would.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: By resoul a burden to be that guy, but, and, and this season has to make him look that much better.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does, doesn't it?
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the most underrated player last year, all that hype going around him and
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he took the best team in the NBA, still the best team in the NBA to game seven, and half of the first quarter, and he was on fire.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And now his team is six and 24.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a big difference.
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Big difference, maker.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: sure is can't wait to see him play basketball again mad.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was shooting tonight.
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's dunking and stuff too.
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen highlights of him dunking, but he was out, uh, pre-game warm-ups shooting, which is good to see.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I was talking to a friend today, and we were talking about those soft tissue injuries and thinking back in the 80s, 90s, it didn't seem like we saw as many as those soft tissue injuries.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good work.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And what we were thinking about is, look at the shoes that they wore over their Achilles.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And look at the shoes they wear now.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're wearing low tops versus the high tops.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: with high top speed.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: More support on that Achilles, or is it just the speed and the strength of these players just putting that all that pressure on that Achilles to pop and rupture them.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they would know how to prevent that by now.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: My, of course, you have a beautiful family.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what your family traditions are, Chris.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Before we're in our traditions now, we like watching all the Christmas movies and things like that.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we've, we've watched Charlie Brown and we've watched Frosty and Root-Off and all that and L thing.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: To we watch all the Christmas movies and in Christmas we spend at home.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of family time for you and lots of time off to talk about the paces.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's do that.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much, Mike Merry Christmas, and my best and my love to your family.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, same to you, Merry Christmas, and I will talk to you soon.
• 23:41
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• 23:55
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• 23:57
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• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And please do us a huge favor and have the best Christmas ever.
• 24:55
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