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CLEANING UP: Zach Neto responds to lineup switch with three-run homer in Angels' win · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

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Speaker 1: Well, Hey Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo territory.
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Speaker 1: I am Mike D. Giovanna, former Early Times Baseball writer
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Speaker 1: and host of the show, joined by my regular co
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Speaker 1: host Mark Trumbo, the former Angel slugger, and stop as
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Speaker 1: if you've heard this one before. The Angels avoided a
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Speaker 1: three game sweep with a four to one win in
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Speaker 1: Baltimore on Thursday. Hey, good for them. So big news
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Speaker 1: of the day is Zach Nedo moved from the leadoff
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Speaker 1: to the cleanup spot and he hits a three run
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Speaker 1: home run. Ned It was in a five for forty
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Speaker 1: slump with sixteen strikeouts, and he hadn't homewarn since July fifth.
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Speaker 1: And the part about this move that I really like
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Speaker 1: Wade Meckler to the leadoff spot. He reached base twice
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Speaker 1: and scored both times. Mark, what do we think of
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Speaker 1: the switch? I've been advocating for Meckler that leadoffs, but
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Speaker 1: I think a week or two after he got called up,
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Speaker 1: I love the move personally. What would you think?
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Speaker 2: I think it makes sense. I've seen quite a few
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Speaker 2: people raise their hands on social media or otherwise saying
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Speaker 2: that they called it. I who couldn't. It's quite obvious
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Speaker 2: that the fit wasn't exactly working out for Well, the
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Speaker 2: former leadoff hitter, and he had a better game today
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Speaker 2: despite well that first hit. I don't think he thought
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Speaker 2: it was going to drop and failed to hustle got
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Speaker 2: his single. I guess it was one of those things fans.
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, I can say, you know these
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Speaker 2: things people notice, but a lot of fans are seen
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Speaker 2: it the same way now. Maybe they weren't before. And
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Speaker 2: for a ballplayer, you don't want too many fans getting
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Speaker 2: on the other side of the things where they questioned
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Speaker 2: the work ethic, the attitude. He gave some interviews today,
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Speaker 2: if you want to call him that, very short, no
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Speaker 2: comment or something on one of them, bizarre kind of
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Speaker 2: I don't know if someone told him to do that
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Speaker 2: or what. He very stressed out about the trade deadline,
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Speaker 2: and I guess glad that's over. I guess the question
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Speaker 2: that was brought up was did Moe ask him or
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Speaker 2: convey to him that he would be a piece to
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Speaker 2: build around and he just didn't have an answer or
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Speaker 2: wasn't prepared to answer that question. What do you think?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't comment on that
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Speaker 1: and that you know what you're referring to as a tweet.
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Speaker 1: I think it was from a podcast at Alden Gonzalez
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Speaker 1: so VESPN was on claiming that Mo told Netto he
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to trade him. He wants to build this team,
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Speaker 1: if not around him, with him in the future. Still
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Speaker 1: not sure where they stand on that, because Mice going
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Speaker 1: into the trade deadline, that was that they were very
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Speaker 1: open to trading Neto, and I think they'd be wise
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Speaker 1: to remaining very open to trading Neto this winner, especially
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Speaker 1: depending on how this kid they got from the Blue Jays,
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Speaker 1: you know, the shortstop prospect. Turns out he's only twenty.
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Speaker 1: They sent him to Double A. We'll see.
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Speaker 2: But two for two tonight, three RBI's.
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Speaker 1: Good start for Nemala. But in terms of Zach leading off,
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Speaker 1: you know, I said it weeks ago, it's the square
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Speaker 1: peg in the round hole. I think Neto could actually
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Speaker 1: be a really good leadoff hitter with some more plate discipline.
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Speaker 1: You know, he and the strikeouts. You know what is
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Speaker 1: it now, one hundred and sixty strikeouts leading the American League.
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Speaker 1: You have to you can't strike out that much and
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Speaker 1: be a leadoff hitter. He's hitting two thirty with a
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Speaker 1: seven forty three ops. I think when this kid looks
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Speaker 1: in the mirror, he sees a cleanup hitter, So why
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Speaker 1: keep fighting this thing? You know, hit him clean up?
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Speaker 1: Who else he going to back clean up? Now that
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Speaker 1: Jorge Solaire is gone, Joe Adell is gone. You know
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Speaker 1: this line of scoring what I think? They scored four
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Speaker 1: runs or less. And I wrote it down somewhere something
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Speaker 1: like twenty three of twenty eight games and they went.
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Speaker 2: Four forty cold stretch.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, four for thirty one. The runners in scoring
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Speaker 1: position in that Baltimore series, where's the offense gonna come from?
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Speaker 2: Well, here's here's that play. Okay, he failed to hustle,
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Speaker 2: gets to first, the next two runners behind him reach.
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Speaker 2: They have bases loaded with nobody out and weren't able to.
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Speaker 2: I believe Siri punched, then Low punched, and Peraza flew
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Speaker 2: out to right field. I mean, I'm not into the revisionists.
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Speaker 2: Could have happened if he was you know, all these things,
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Speaker 2: but I do know they didn't score a single run
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Speaker 2: there with a pitcher that it was hard to watch.
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Speaker 2: I know he's better than that, But the Oils starter
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Speaker 2: I think was Young the ninety pitches through Lake. I
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Speaker 2: know we joke about it, but literally through three innings
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Speaker 2: or something, and Johnson was doing his best to match
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Speaker 2: five walks. And we can talk about him a little later.
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Speaker 2: Your question, how do they score more runs? Or what
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Speaker 2: was the question?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Where's the offense going to come from at this point?
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess it starts with a guy that since
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Speaker 2: June twenty fourth, I'm stealing this from somebody. Sorry about
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Speaker 2: the lack of credit, but Meckler has hit three forty
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Speaker 2: eight with a four four to oh eight on base percentage,
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Speaker 2: and Wade Meckler gets on base. He's always proved to
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Speaker 2: get on base, and I personally would much rather have
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Speaker 2: a leadoff hitter. He has some power. He showed that
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Speaker 2: recently his book, as you call it, for a hitter
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Speaker 2: of who You've taken deep, quite impressive. Yeah, so is Zach's.
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Speaker 2: But Wade His game is patterned on getting on base.
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Speaker 2: Ornetto's game is patterned on slug and driving the ball,
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Speaker 2: and he doesn't cut his swing down often. He has
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Speaker 2: some the ability to do it a little bit. But
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Speaker 2: this is a much much better spot for Zach and
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Speaker 2: if he wants to view it, he can be the
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Speaker 2: second leadoff hitter if the first three batters get out.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Kurtzuzuki also said Thursday that he's
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Speaker 1: not sure what we'll do against left handers. I would
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Speaker 1: leave Netto in the leadoff spot. Just let him run it,
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Speaker 1: run with it for a little while. You can always
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Speaker 1: bat Paraz a leadoff, maybe even von Grissom leadoff against
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Speaker 1: the lefty. So you would keep Netto in the four hole, yeah,
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Speaker 1: especially against the lefty, you know, So I would just
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Speaker 1: keep him there. So, as we talked about this week,
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Speaker 1: we had a pretty start to what we think is
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Speaker 1: going to be a pretty significant rebuild with a pretty
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Speaker 1: significant sell off at the trade deadline. I think the
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Speaker 1: majority of fans, at least based on the comments on
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Speaker 1: our shows this week, seem pretty happy about this. There's
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Speaker 1: a couple holdouts, of course, you know, while what are
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Speaker 1: we gonna watch the rest of this year? Why go
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Speaker 1: to the Angel games? You know we're gonna pay for this,
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But was that your sense Mark that fans,
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Speaker 1: for the most part, or at least on balance, we're
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Speaker 1: pretty pretty happy about this.
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Speaker 2: I think. So there are a few I'm gonna work.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna work hard to get Ben Golf's on board.
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Speaker 2: Uh Ben, that Ben can can articulate his points. He's
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Speaker 2: got some strong ones. A few peruse our YouTube comments.
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Speaker 2: He he's able to to make some logical arguments. But
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Speaker 2: you know, one of them was, what's the point how
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Speaker 2: are they gonna market this ball club without you know,
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Speaker 2: better ballplayers out there. I think they've always relied on well,
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Speaker 2: kind of going against the flow, but having a good
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Speaker 2: enough looking team to hey, you know, there's enough guys
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Speaker 2: out there that I know that name, and we'll go
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Speaker 2: and bring the family. And and maybe when you have
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Speaker 2: some of the guys that that we might see moving
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Speaker 2: further or forward a little bit harder. But you know,
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Speaker 2: they still have the blanket giveaways and you know, the
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Speaker 2: SpongeBob and things like that. So and it's not joking.
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Speaker 2: People do like that. They go and that's fine too.
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Speaker 2: That's fine too. So the on field play, it's this
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Speaker 2: is our epitome of it today. You know, a little
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Speaker 2: serious salvage. We seem to have shows that are often
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Speaker 2: after these types of games and make the most of it.
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Speaker 2: You know, they beat they beat the ools, the Oriols,
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Speaker 2: are not a good ball club in my opinion. They
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Speaker 2: they really didn't, you know, Jackson Holiday. They had Johnson
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Speaker 2: on the ropes. I think he'd walk the first too.
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Speaker 2: Then he hit a guy and Holiday hits a wink
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Speaker 2: dink ground ball in the first pitch. You know, low
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Speaker 2: iq baseball plays. That doesn't mean he is, but that
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Speaker 2: play in particular, it kind of like we were talking
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Speaker 2: about with Palmer, maybe not watching close enough or thought
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Speaker 2: that that was a chance to pounce, but took him
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Speaker 2: out of the inning, and they kind of had they
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Speaker 2: had them on the ropes.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo and
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Speaker 1: Mike Dgievanna. Well, we may not respond to every one
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Speaker 1: of your comments on the Halo Territory page, but we
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Speaker 1: do read them, and we do appreciate them, and every
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Speaker 1: now and then we'll get something that kind of catches
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Speaker 1: our and this one was from public Animal number nine
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Speaker 1: finally sellers at the deadline. So good to see an
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Speaker 1: organizational rebuild starting. If the Angels do decide to keep
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Speaker 1: Neto and he wants to stay, I wonder if they
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Speaker 1: would consider moving Neda to third base and playing Themala
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Speaker 1: at short stuff. Neto does have quick reflexes, and third
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Speaker 1: base may suit him better than short stuff. Now, you know,
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Speaker 1: I look at Zach Netto and you probably do too,
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Speaker 1: and don't see the prototypical third baseman. You know, we're
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Speaker 1: used to the Troy glosses of the world here in Anaheim.
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Speaker 1: And but if this Themala kid who they got from
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Speaker 1: the Blue Jays turns out to be what they think
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Speaker 1: he could be, I don't know if he's a third baseman.
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Speaker 1: One of them can move the third but I kind
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Speaker 1: of like the idea and that I'm playing at third
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Speaker 1: base once again. It fits into his perception of himself
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Speaker 1: as a power hitter. You know, he'd be a corner infielder.
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Speaker 1: Twenty five home runs, looks pretty good at third base.
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Speaker 1: Looks good at short stuff too, who we couldn't But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think defensively he's a really good short stop when
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Speaker 1: he is focused and wants to be. But Mark, he
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Speaker 1: played that old hot corner over there. Do you feel
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Speaker 1: like Zach's skills would translate as well over there as
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Speaker 1: a do it short stop?
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Speaker 2: Thanks for that. Yeah, as Palmer talked about there the
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Speaker 2: revised hitters to those that I too had a glove
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Speaker 2: over there. Uh, but yeah, he'll he could play it
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Speaker 2: with relatively is Zach. As far as manning third base,
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Speaker 2: that's that's not a big deal. As far as is
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Speaker 2: that a plan, I assume that that, well, they get
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Speaker 2: paid too, So if that was what they wanted to do,
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Speaker 2: I think that that would make sense, incentivizable a lot
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Speaker 2: more if you got that contract that you know, be
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Speaker 2: looking for. I think that that uh, you know, well
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Speaker 2: it's pretty obvious that's that's what is. Uh, you know
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Speaker 2: what a lot of players around the league, young players
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Speaker 2: are are signing these deals, and uh, you know, I
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Speaker 2: don't think it's unfair that he's looking around saying, well,
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of by myself. Uh, but the thing is
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Speaker 2: a ballplayer and I had a little bit of success
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Speaker 2: when I was a young player, and there was no
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Speaker 2: offers extended my way. The only offer was, you know,
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Speaker 2: now they're making more. But nominal raise the following year,
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Speaker 2: made an all start team my second year and got
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Speaker 2: an extra I don't know, twenty grand maybe, uh, and they, uh, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, go out there and earn it again. So
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Speaker 2: I was always kind of under the mindset, and you know,
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Speaker 2: from my agents and some others too, you go, you're
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Speaker 2: playing until free agency, until something changes, And I think
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Speaker 2: that it would be prudent to take that mindset. The
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Speaker 2: landscape of the game's changed. Younger guys are getting locked up,
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Speaker 2: but it has to be both parties have to be
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Speaker 2: into it. The Angels may not be looking to spend
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Speaker 2: all that much at least right now. Yeah, well, obviously
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Speaker 2: they're not. And I think the best you know, scenario
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Speaker 2: for Zach has put they put his head down, put
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Speaker 2: up big numbers, you know, keep the focus there. And
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Speaker 2: some of these leadership things, you know, it's easy to
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Speaker 2: talk about them, but you got to demonstrate them. And
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Speaker 2: it's uh, it'd be nice to see some change. When's
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Speaker 2: the last time you saw Troy Gloss like player third
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Speaker 2: days for the Angels? He referenced that you've seen one
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Speaker 2: in the last decade, two decades.
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Speaker 1: Third base. Oh well, they did sign this guy Rendon.
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Speaker 1: You might have heard him. He was supposed to be
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Speaker 1: that good, right, Dallas McPherson was a big boy. Didn't
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Speaker 1: pan out? Hey man, Troy Gloss is my reference point.
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Speaker 1: What can I say one more question on Zach You mentioned,
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Speaker 1: you know, put your head down all that stuff. Could
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Speaker 1: these next few months with the team basically not playing
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Speaker 1: for anything, if he were to really put his head
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Speaker 1: down and show some leadership and put up some big numbers.
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Speaker 1: Could him doing that in the context of these final
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Speaker 1: two months of this season maybe even increase his chances
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Speaker 1: of the team saying, yeah, this is a guy we
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Speaker 1: do want to keep, This is a guy we do
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Speaker 1: build around. Do you almost show more character in a
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Speaker 1: situation like this than you might, you know, if your
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Speaker 1: team's in a pennant race or something.
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Speaker 2: I think that logically that does make sense. And he's
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Speaker 2: got a general manager that sees reality, and yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: quite o yus Moe has been around a long time.
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Speaker 2: He knows what he's looking at. He's not afraid to
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Speaker 2: make moves. We've seen it already, some moves that were
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Speaker 2: quite uncomfortable for the previous regime. And he made him
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Speaker 2: quick and you know, and professionally and was did everything
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Speaker 2: the right way. But he's got no allegiance to anything,
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Speaker 2: and I think if he sees a guy that's not demonstrating.
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Speaker 2: And here's the thing too, he comes from the Cardinals.
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Speaker 2: There was a Cardinal way and it was professional hard
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Speaker 2: nos there to win. I can't remember a single player,
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Speaker 2: well maybe one, and I think he's in Laruss's book, Erasmus.
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Speaker 2: They didn't quite see eye to eye, only said the
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Speaker 2: one player. He wasn't able to get through too, and
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Speaker 2: he found a new team pretty quickly. So I would
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Speaker 2: assume that the Cardinal Way. And you know, you can't
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Speaker 2: argue with the success they had they put together some
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Speaker 2: really maybe in the recent years not quite as much,
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Speaker 2: but it was a good brand of a and I
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Speaker 2: know coming up they brought it. You were playing a
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Speaker 2: good ball club that didn't make mistakes, They didn't beat themselves.
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Speaker 1: They reminded me of Socials teams and the Angels throughout
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Speaker 1: that first decade of the two thousands exactly. Let's turn
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Speaker 1: our attention to Mike Trout now. In the wake of
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Speaker 1: the Angel's trade deadline sell off, Trout said that signs
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Speaker 1: of a rebuild quote haven't changed anything about his desire
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Speaker 1: to stay in Anaheim. This was an excerpt from Jeff
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Speaker 1: Fletcher's story the other day. We're not where we want
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Speaker 1: to be, so doing what we did helps our future.
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Speaker 1: Trout said, see where it goes. Uh. You know, this
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Speaker 1: has been a big topic on our show this year,
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Speaker 1: and I think it will continue to be, although maybe
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Speaker 1: not maybe Mike Trout seems to be doing his best
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Speaker 1: to kill this whole. You know, I want to go
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Speaker 1: play for a contender, but I just don't get it.
16:52
Speaker 1: He's got four years left in his contract, he's got
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Speaker 1: full no trade clause. He can dictate if he wants to,
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Speaker 1: if he goes somewhere. I do think think Artie Marino
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Speaker 1: would try to accommodate him if he did request a trade.
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Speaker 1: And we've seen it most Angel fans we see him
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Speaker 1: commenting on our show, they would like to see Mike
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Speaker 1: trug go somewhere and play some October baseball. He does
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Speaker 1: not seem inclined to do that. What gives here? Mark?
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Speaker 1: You said it many times. I don't think neither either
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Speaker 1: of us questions his desire to win. But I read
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Speaker 1: stuff like this and it makes me wonder, do you at.
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Speaker 2: All I this is a topic that to me, it's
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Speaker 2: just a I don't have any opinion on it. I
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Speaker 2: Mike's had a phenomenal career, headed for the Hall of Fame,
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Speaker 2: and currently not you know, producing at the level he
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Speaker 2: once was. I if you really want me to ask him,
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Speaker 2: I could try and broach the subject. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 2: assuming he'd give me more than he give the next guy.
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Speaker 2: And if the answer comes down to simply he wants
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Speaker 2: to play for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, I
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Speaker 2: think people are going to have to wrap their heads
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Speaker 2: around that. You can, you know, try and you know,
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Speaker 2: do math equations for days? And why, you know, how
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Speaker 2: can this and how is he not doing?
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Speaker 4: This?
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Speaker 2: Could be very simple. He's a simple guy. He likes
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Speaker 2: playing here and they don't. You know, how could he
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Speaker 2: like playing for a team that doesn't win a lot
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Speaker 2: of games. Well, you know, people like what they like.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he likes losing by any means, but
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Speaker 2: he might just really like playing for the team that
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Speaker 2: made a huge commitment to him financially. He knows what
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Speaker 2: he's getting here, may be a preacher of habit and
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Speaker 2: you know, look at the riots he went to the Phillies.
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Speaker 2: Look at all the you know, he's contributing, which is
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Speaker 2: a good thing, but multiple people had to switch positions.
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Speaker 2: He's at the center of focus getting you know, all
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Speaker 2: this stuff. Harper's got to go play another position, and
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Speaker 2: you know, if Trout went that, there could be shuffling.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think he wants that stuff. He doesn't
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Speaker 2: want all those stories. So he just does a good
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Speaker 2: job of putting out the fire and may not be
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Speaker 2: what reporters want to hear, and not much of a
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Speaker 2: topic to write about, but you know, he's been consistent
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Speaker 2: and you know as ops still you know, eight to
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Speaker 2: thirty plus. I believe so heavily buoyed a little bit
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Speaker 2: by the on base or a lot, but productive ballplayer,
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Speaker 2: and the Angels do need productive ballplayers, even if they're
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Speaker 2: going through a stretch for a you know, rebuild.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to put this on a record, I
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Speaker 1: for one would not I'd be bummed if Mike Trout
19:31
Speaker 1: went the Ernie Banks route and finish his Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame career with zero playoff wins. At least he did
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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, they were swept by Case back in fourteen.
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Speaker 1: I just think it would really invigorate his career. I
19:44
Speaker 1: would love to see him get on a contending team.
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Speaker 1: I would love to see how he responded to that,
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Speaker 1: how he reacted, how that would elevate his play If
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Speaker 1: it would, I totally get you know, Derek Jeter was
19:56
Speaker 1: his idle. Derek played his what twenty year career with
19:58
Speaker 1: the New York Yankees. Of course, they won a couple
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Speaker 1: World Series titles there that made it a lot easier.
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Speaker 1: I would like to see Trout go to Philly or
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Speaker 1: New York or wherever it is, and I would love.
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Speaker 2: To do you do you think of it? Like, just
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Speaker 2: do you think it would be best if he just
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Speaker 2: articulated this at some point, just from a strategic point
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Speaker 2: of view.
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Speaker 1: To us, to the media, not necessarily.
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Speaker 2: To everyone who continues to ask like, hey, these are
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Speaker 2: these are this is where my head is that? Because
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Speaker 2: you know, we can speculate and answer these things over
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Speaker 2: and over and over. But uh, you know, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think from a player's point of view.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he really gains a lot by sharing that.
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Speaker 2: But he might get tired eventually of having an answer,
20:38
Speaker 2: you know, what's the deal what's the deal, And maybe
20:40
Speaker 2: maybe he would shed a little bit of light and
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Speaker 2: that would be enough.
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Speaker 1: It would only come if he really was sick and
20:45
Speaker 1: tired of that. But I don't think Mike pays that
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Speaker 1: much attention to what we're writing. I think if it
20:51
Speaker 1: is it does get to that point it knowing Mike,
20:54
Speaker 1: it will be done quietly through the proper channels. It'll
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Speaker 1: go through the owner and boom, boom boom. You know,
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Speaker 1: And Welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo and
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Speaker 1: Mike d g Vanna. Mark, you mentioned Ryan Johnson. He
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Speaker 1: had an interesting line on Thursday four and two thirds
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Speaker 1: innings pits, three hits, one on run, five walks, one strikeout.
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Speaker 1: He induced double playgrounders to get out of the first
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Speaker 1: and second innings. This kid got another shot to start
22:35
Speaker 1: because Jose Siano was traded to the Blue Jays. But
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Speaker 1: does he really look like wrote a viable rotation candidate
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Speaker 1: to you.
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Speaker 2: Mark, not at this point. I not. He got very
22:48
Speaker 2: you know, I mentioned earlier holiday getting him out of
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Speaker 2: the jam. I think that was a better ball club
22:53
Speaker 2: that he was going up against today. And I guess
22:57
Speaker 2: no offense to the Orioles, but well take it as
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Speaker 2: you well. They didn't do a very good job of
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Speaker 2: making him pay for nibbling. Got behind in many counts.
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Speaker 2: I was throwing a little bit harder, but just some odds,
23:10
Speaker 2: you know, two to one sweepers to guys you know,
23:13
Speaker 2: with Anemix stats and not pounding the zone, not attacking.
23:19
Speaker 2: I think he talked about it too, maybe a little
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Speaker 2: bit nervous or something, which you know, he's getting to
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Speaker 2: the point now he's had enough experience with these things
23:26
Speaker 2: that or I think a little gun shy about the walks.
23:30
Speaker 2: And you can't be afraid to make mistakes. You got
23:32
Speaker 2: to you got to be aggressive win in doubt, be
23:36
Speaker 2: aggressive in pro sports because if he gets passive and
23:39
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to walk anybody, well where
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Speaker 2: do you go from there? You know, a walk is
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Speaker 2: not the end of the world. But did get some
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Speaker 2: ground balls. He's got his little cutter, and I still
23:51
Speaker 2: there's nothing that I'm seeing that that scream starter. Uh
23:55
Speaker 2: maybe there's a master plan in place, but it could
23:59
Speaker 2: be just a thing where he's got. You know, he plays,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't outwardly look nervous or or you know, loses
24:05
Speaker 2: his composure. But he could be still battling that type
24:07
Speaker 2: of stuff, and more experience will help him. I still
24:10
Speaker 2: think there's some promise there, but you know he's gonna
24:13
Speaker 2: have to dial it in a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. The newest Angel, Moyses Biasteros, has one of
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Speaker 1: the coolest nicknames. I love how the fans are already
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Speaker 1: calling him mow Baller anyway. He acquired from the Chicago
24:27
Speaker 1: Cubs for Ryan Zephyr John. He made his first start
24:30
Speaker 1: behind the plate on Thursday. He threw a runner out
24:33
Speaker 1: at second base from his knees, the old Benito Santiago play.
24:37
Speaker 1: That was interesting, and he made a really nice play
24:39
Speaker 1: in the eighth inning to cut down and run out
24:42
Speaker 1: the plate. He'd you know, he's pretty short and stout.
24:46
Speaker 1: He doesn't look like the most athletic defensive catcher. Both
24:50
Speaker 1: runners on first and third, two out, sam and Natira
24:53
Speaker 1: throws a wild pitch, carams off that brick backstop. Mowball
24:58
Speaker 1: Baller corrols it and makes almost looks like a second basement,
25:02
Speaker 1: starting a double play reverse backhand flipped to Nataro covering
25:06
Speaker 1: the plate and they cut down Gunner Henderson. That was
25:09
Speaker 1: a four to one game at that time, so things
25:11
Speaker 1: could have got out of hand. What's your first impressions
25:14
Speaker 1: of this guy? He DHD in his first game, got
25:17
Speaker 1: a hit, just one single so far, I think in
25:20
Speaker 1: seven at bats. What do you think, Mark, he's got
25:24
Speaker 1: the look.
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Speaker 2: To me, it looks like he's, you know, all there,
25:29
Speaker 2: all business, not intimidated. He's still I think, twenty two
25:32
Speaker 2: years old. Like we said, you know, as far as
25:36
Speaker 2: the physique, Benji Molina, I mean.
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Speaker 1: Ben was six foot something, but yeah, yeah, Benji was
25:44
Speaker 1: a stout catcher as well.
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Speaker 2: I don't have any problem with the catchers being you know,
25:50
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it for moballers. You know,
25:53
Speaker 2: maybe the backside, but maybe that's the big pop. It's
25:57
Speaker 2: got to come from somewhere. But he caught a winner,
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Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, these things other things, but he kept
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Speaker 2: his team in the game, and that's something that the
26:06
Speaker 2: Angels have had a hard time doing well chronicled and
26:10
Speaker 2: hopefully oh happies. You know, we did see some comments.
26:14
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll get to him, but about
26:17
Speaker 2: about his early experience in Texas and maybe never really
26:20
Speaker 2: feeling like the plan worked out for him here. But
26:25
Speaker 2: unfortunately he wasn't able to get his pictures over the
26:28
Speaker 2: hump many times, not just him. But it was nice
26:32
Speaker 2: to see today because that game could have really been
26:35
Speaker 2: lopsided the other way. I do think the Angels got
26:38
Speaker 2: a little bit lucky. They also turned the double plays
26:40
Speaker 2: they needed to and scored enough runs to win.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he handled I can't imagine what it's like for
26:47
Speaker 1: a catcher, even a really good defensive catcher, to come
26:49
Speaker 1: into a new team in early August. You're handling pictures
26:53
Speaker 1: you've never caught before. And I think there were four
26:56
Speaker 1: or five different pitchers today, So yeah, I think it's
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Speaker 1: an interesting start for him. I hope he can catch more.
27:05
Speaker 1: I think you're always adding more value as a you know,
27:09
Speaker 1: when you can play two ways, both sides of the ball,
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Speaker 1: especially as a catcher. It'd be interesting to see how
27:14
Speaker 1: he develops power wise as a DH. I didn't realize
27:17
Speaker 1: he was twenty two, so you know, there's all sorts
27:20
Speaker 1: of time for him to grow and work on the
27:22
Speaker 1: physique as well. Another big story this week, Ben Joyce
27:27
Speaker 1: returns The return of the closer. I think sixteen months
27:32
Speaker 1: and a shoulder surgery since he last appeared in the
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Speaker 1: big leagues. He pitched Wednesday night through a scoreless inning.
27:40
Speaker 1: Command was off, missing a lot arm side the run.
27:44
Speaker 1: The tail on his fastball was pretty extreme. He had
27:47
Speaker 1: a hard time controlling it, but he did hit one
27:50
Speaker 1: oh two. I think the average around one hundred. Look
27:54
Speaker 1: good to me, Mark, How should the Angels sort of
27:57
Speaker 1: handle this guy moving forward? I personally can't see any
28:01
Speaker 1: reason why you'd be pushing him in back to back games.
28:05
Speaker 1: Just you know, it's been so long. You need this
28:08
Speaker 1: guy moving forward. If you're going to have a competitive team,
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Speaker 1: you need him to close. I would just find some
28:14
Speaker 1: way to get him through the rest of this year
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Speaker 1: healthy and then see what you got.
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Speaker 2: You need him to close and be the closer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, eventually. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Everyone says that I I he throws really hard. I
28:27
Speaker 2: guess that's I mean, but the other guys throw hard too.
28:30
Speaker 2: I think that that part of it. It's you know,
28:34
Speaker 2: echoed every and it's not not incorrect that you wouldn't
28:37
Speaker 2: see closer stuff with him, But that could be putting
28:40
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on him. I mean, he said
28:41
Speaker 2: he was extremely nervous or you know, kind of uneasy,
28:46
Speaker 2: maybe more nervous than even when he debuted in his
28:50
Speaker 2: in his comeback, you know, after the long layoff, and
28:53
Speaker 2: he's got the gas, but he's gonna have to put
28:55
Speaker 2: it together a little bit the rehab starts. You know,
28:57
Speaker 2: let's get in your feet wet again, but clunky at times,
29:01
Speaker 2: and the command will need to improve. Hopefully it does
29:04
Speaker 2: blossom into a great closer one day, but you know,
29:07
Speaker 2: it'd be great if he was also a lights out
29:10
Speaker 2: eighth inning guy sometimes. And I don't know, Sammy to Terror,
29:14
Speaker 2: I believe that was a second save today. Four out saved,
29:17
Speaker 2: four out saved. Yeah, each got the ability to punch
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Speaker 2: some tickets too. I don't know. I like left handed closers.
29:24
Speaker 2: To Zach Rton's wine, it's not been a lot went
29:27
Speaker 2: to Josh Okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the Terror has been really
29:33
Speaker 1: impressive to me, And we've talked a little bit about
29:36
Speaker 1: him on previous shows, but man, he is really seizing
29:38
Speaker 1: a spot in that bullpen. Uh. It's gonna be interesting
29:42
Speaker 1: to see how they how he continues to progress. Well.
29:45
Speaker 1: Another young arm we talked about earlier this year, He's
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Speaker 1: coming back Friday, George klass And will rejoin the team
29:53
Speaker 1: and start the opener of a series in Miami. He
29:56
Speaker 1: made two starts in April sixth and runs four and
29:59
Speaker 1: two thirds things. I think he was pretty nervous. Stuff
30:02
Speaker 1: looked pretty good. Went down the triple A six and
30:05
Speaker 1: six with the three nine six in the PCL. That
30:08
Speaker 1: was in nineteen starts. That's not bad now. You know,
30:12
Speaker 1: we saw what Walbert Urania has done just grabbing a
30:17
Speaker 1: spot in this rotation looking like a huge part of
30:19
Speaker 1: this future. Is this I don't I don't want to
30:24
Speaker 1: put that kind of pressure on George either. I'm not
30:26
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna do what Walbert did, but is this
30:29
Speaker 1: a pretty good chance for this kid right now to
30:31
Speaker 1: to claim a spot in the rotation.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's PCL tough place to pitch, but he has
30:42
Speaker 2: been doing extremely well. And I think that's very encouraging
30:47
Speaker 2: because most times you look at the numbers and they're well,
30:50
Speaker 2: pretty modest at least on the pitching side, or the
30:54
Speaker 2: opposite of modest is inflated. But I like his stuff.
30:58
Speaker 2: I really think he is a good one. Getting a
31:01
Speaker 2: chance to see it, you know, on the big stage.
31:04
Speaker 2: The results weren't great, but this is the type of
31:07
Speaker 2: thing where you go down and he looks like he
31:09
Speaker 2: has made an adjustment. The command is is like a
31:13
Speaker 2: lot of guys you know, play for this organization. It
31:17
Speaker 2: seems to be a reoccurring theme, big stuff, questionable command
31:21
Speaker 2: at times. So I mean, I see, I see top
31:25
Speaker 2: tier stuff with him. The ability to to strike hitters out,
31:29
Speaker 2: get ahead, repeating anything close to what Walbert's done well that,
31:35
Speaker 2: you know, good luck to anyone outside of you know,
31:39
Speaker 2: some of those extremely special you know schemes types. Because
31:43
Speaker 2: Urane has been ridiculous. But if George can just you
31:47
Speaker 2: don't have a nice what are we less than two
31:49
Speaker 2: months till the end?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, give him a runway, you know, give him two months.
31:53
Speaker 1: Let him start every five, six, seven days, Let him
31:56
Speaker 1: get comfortable, let him get some confidence. There's no pressure,
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Speaker 1: I hopefully. I mean, these kids are always gonna feel pressure.
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Speaker 1: They're in the big leagues for the first time basically,
32:05
Speaker 1: but there's no pressure to win a playoff game, to
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Speaker 1: get a team in the playoffs. It's a good time
32:12
Speaker 1: for him to show what he's got. All right, We're
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Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up, wrap our show up with that,
32:16
Speaker 1: And I failed to mention earlier that Mike Trout turns
32:19
Speaker 1: thirty five on Friday, so on top of everything we
32:23
Speaker 1: talked about, he is not getting any younger, all right.
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