Latest / UNCHAINEDTV'S Truth Files with Jane Velez-Mitchell / UnchainedTV: Stop The Monkey Business!
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- 0:59And we have got breaking news for you.
- 1:02We can tell you that outraged citizens, frightened
- 1:07citizens in Georgia have united to stop a
- 1:10plan that would put America's largest laboratory monkey
- 1:14breeding facility in the small town of Bainbridge,
- 1:17Georgia, 233 miles south of Atlanta.
- 1:20The residents have filed a lawsuit in an
- 1:23attempt to stop this highly controversial plan to
- 1:26put 30,000 monkeys, twice the human population
- 1:30of the town, in their village.
- 1:33PETA is on the ground supporting the residents.
- 1:37They argue the plan should be invalidated because
- 1:40local officials approved the proposal during an illegally
- 1:44assembled meeting violating violating Georgia's Open Meetings Act.
- 1:50Basically, these citizens, and you're going to hear
- 1:52from one in a second, say this was
- 1:54being done behind their backs, and they are
- 1:58furious over the impact of caged monkeys on
- 2:01their property values, their safety, and so much
- 2:05more.
- 2:05So I want to go straight out to
- 2:09Christina Martin.
- 2:11Christina, you are one of the leaders in
- 2:15the fight to stop this.
- 2:16Why did you decide to get involved?
- 2:19Well, I really did feel like I had
- 2:21a choice.
- 2:22I mean, I moved back to my hometown
- 2:25to build a family, you know, be with
- 2:30my family, my elderly grandparents that are no
- 2:33longer with us, but to just, you know,
- 2:37start my life as an adult.
- 2:39And, you know, I've been here for four
- 2:43and a half years, and this is just,
- 2:46this is not at all anything I ever
- 2:49would have expected to happen.
- 2:51I mean, we've done so much in our
- 2:54downtown development, you know, bringing industry, good industry,
- 2:59to the county, and just building downtown, and
- 3:06this is just kind of a kick in
- 3:09the head.
- 3:10You know, I mean, our local officials have
- 3:14basically just put a huge dark cloud over
- 3:19everything that everyone in the town has worked
- 3:22so hard to build.
- 3:23What they're planning here in Bainbridge is absolutely
- 3:26unprecedented in this country.
- 3:28They're planning to ultimately confine 30,000 monkeys
- 3:32on any given day and would be generating
- 3:35more than 400,000 gallons of wastewater a
- 3:38day.
- 3:39These are all monkeys who would be into
- 3:41the pipeline to be into laboratories across the
- 3:45country where they'll be force-fed chemicals, addicted
- 3:49to drugs like cocaine.
- 3:51They'll have their skulls drilled into their skulls,
- 3:55and ultimately they'd all be killed.
- 3:58And it's no wonder that the citizens of
- 4:00Bainbridge want nothing to do with this, and
- 4:03it's clear that what the company is trying
- 4:05to do in Bainbridge is not try to
- 4:08improve human health or bring quality jobs to
- 4:10Bainbridge.
- 4:11All they care about is making as much
- 4:13money as they can while exploiting an endangered
- 4:17species of monkeys.
- 4:19So that's why Pete is joining with the
- 4:20citizens of Bainbridge to fight this facility so
- 4:23that we do not create just this enormous
- 4:26factory farm of monkeys right here in the
- 4:29U.S. that are all destined for these
- 4:30invasive, traumatic, and deadly experiments.
- 4:34Now this has been getting a lot of
- 4:37coverage, and that's great because sometimes animal rights
- 4:40issues do not get coverage.
- 4:42And that's one of the reasons we started
- 4:44Unchained TV, because it's outrageous that things happen
- 4:48that affect people and animals and the mainstream
- 4:51media ignores it.
- 4:52But they are not ignoring this issue.
- 4:54So I want to play just one of
- 4:57the local news reports, and then we're discuss
- 4:59on the other side.
- 5:00The courtroom was full of residents wearing t
- 5:02-shirts that read, Stop the Monkey Farm, during
- 5:05a hearing on Safer Human Medicine's motion to
- 5:08join in on this civil case.
- 5:10Residents are suing the city of Bainbridge, Decatur
- 5:12County, the Decatur County Board of Education, and
- 5:15the Board of Assessors for planning to build
- 5:17a monkey facility.
- 5:18According to the lawsuit, the government officials voted
- 5:21to approve the facility while violating part of
- 5:23Georgia's Open Meetings Act.
- 5:25During the hearing Tuesday morning, both parties shared
- 5:27their arguments.
- 5:28The attorney representing Bainbridge residents, Rebecca Davis, shared
- 5:32why the court should not grant the motion
- 5:34to intervene.
- 5:35I do not believe that the court should
- 5:38grant the motion to intervene.
- 5:40So bring us up to date, Amy.
- 5:43Where exactly is this case?
- 5:46It's something obviously that the residents of Bainbridge
- 5:51do not want.
- 5:53They packed hearings about this saying it was
- 5:56done behind their backs.
- 5:57Where does it stand now?
- 6:00So yes, so this lawsuit was filed by
- 6:03a group of Bainbridge citizens, and it's filed
- 6:06against the city and other agencies because they
- 6:09failed to do, as you mentioned, what's required
- 6:12of them by the Georgia Open Meetings Act
- 6:15when they voted to approve this disastrous plan.
- 6:19And right now, the most recent thing that
- 6:22happened a couple weeks ago was a hearing
- 6:24in the case because the company is trying
- 6:26to wiggle its way and intervene in the
- 6:28case and try to be relevant in the
- 6:31case when really it's about the citizens and
- 6:34the city and these agencies' role in not
- 6:37representing their true interests.
- 6:39And all they did was roll out the
- 6:41red carpet for this company.
- 6:43And what the citizens are demanding is saying,
- 6:47your words are not enough.
- 6:48We need to see action.
- 6:49We need our elected officials to admit their
- 6:52mistakes and take action to undo them.
- 6:55So while this is in the courts, meanwhile,
- 6:58the company hasn't been able to build any
- 7:01of this facility, and we are just optimistic
- 7:03that they're going to see that this is
- 7:06not forward thinking.
- 7:07This is not in the best interest of
- 7:10anyone, and they need to abandon this plan
- 7:13and invest in real meaningful science that's not
- 7:16using animal models.
- 7:18Well, let me ask you, Christina, you sent
- 7:21me this photo of people lined up outside
- 7:25one of the hearings on this issue, and
- 7:29it's not just a couple of people.
- 7:31It's a lot of people who packed these
- 7:34hearings.
- 7:35What is the general reaction in the town
- 7:38of Bainbridge, which again is about 230 miles
- 7:41south of Atlanta, a close-knit community, and
- 7:46all of a sudden this was presented to
- 7:48them as a fait accompli.
- 7:51How has the town itself reacted?
- 7:57Oh, you're muted.
- 8:01Sorry.
- 8:03First of all, let me just say not
- 8:06only are we just a little bit south
- 8:08of Atlanta, we're only about 38 miles north
- 8:11of Tallahassee, and our Flint River, which is
- 8:17another one of our attractions, flows straight into
- 8:20the Gulf.
- 8:21So this is not only a fight for
- 8:24the town, our river, the beautification, wildlife.
- 8:28This also affects the panhandle of the Gulf
- 8:31Coast.
- 8:32So I just want to throw that out
- 8:33because that's a huge factor in all of
- 8:37this as well.
- 8:38But the photos that you shared- Because
- 8:41you're talking about pollution.
- 8:43You're talking about pollution.
- 8:45Tell me about that.
- 8:46Well, I mean, Amy can give you more
- 8:49specifics on the scientific part, I guess, but
- 8:51based on research, we're looking at over 400
- 8:56,000 gallons of waste to come from this
- 9:01facility.
- 9:02And I mean, based on the individuals that
- 9:09started Safer Human Medicine, I don't foresee them
- 9:14following protocol to transport waste.
- 9:18And our river is literally, you might as
- 9:21well say across the street, you know, from
- 9:23the rivers across the street from where they
- 9:25want to build the facility.
- 9:26So I mean, that, you know, it's just,
- 9:32it's not rocket science to come to that
- 9:35conclusion.
- 9:36But Jane, I wanted to say those photos
- 9:38that you saw, the one of the citizens
- 9:41outside, you can't really see all of the
- 9:44people.
- 9:45That's outside of our local county commissioner's building.
- 9:48That was a county commission meeting, one of
- 9:51the first ones.
- 9:52And you cannot tell, the people were around
- 9:56the corner.
- 9:57We had to close off because the lobby
- 10:00was full, the building was full.
- 10:02People just stood outside and people were like
- 10:04passing the word from the lobby outside to
- 10:07people and kind of, you know, going down
- 10:08the line to inform people.
- 10:10That was just one of the county commission
- 10:13meetings.
- 10:14The other photo, that one, yes, that was
- 10:17one of the very first city council meetings.
- 10:22And again, this room is on the second
- 10:26floor.
- 10:26So outside of there, the lobby area was
- 10:29full, down the stairs, outside.
- 10:31I mean, the meetings have been so full,
- 10:34people can't get in.
- 10:35They're outraged.
- 10:37People are outraged.
- 10:38You know, if this is a farming community,
- 10:41you know, people are really concerned about their
- 10:48livelihoods, their property values.
- 10:51You know, I mean, you know, in my
- 10:53bio, it says that we have family land
- 10:57of over 100 years.
- 10:59And there's people that have land in their
- 11:01family longer.
- 11:02And, you know, they've farmed for decades and
- 11:05decades.
- 11:07You know, their corporate contracts are not going
- 11:10to continue if there's a risk of disease
- 11:14affecting the crop.
- 11:16All right.
- 11:17Let me say that we have a whole
- 11:20bunch of callers lining up.
- 11:21This has hit a nerve.
- 11:22We're going to run through them.
- 11:23Sarah in Lufkin, Texas, your question or thought?
- 11:29Sarah, I hear.
- 11:32Yes.
- 11:36Oh, sorry about that.
- 11:38Yes.
- 11:39My question is, I hear a lot of
- 11:41talk about the residents being really concerned and
- 11:45outraged about this big, massive monkey facility, because
- 11:50it's going to affect their health, it's going
- 11:53to affect their property value.
- 11:55But is there anything being done to educate
- 11:59the residents about why they should be mad,
- 12:03like about the animal welfare aspect?
- 12:06Like, are they being taught about the industry
- 12:10and how they can fight against it by
- 12:12buying cruelty-free products?
- 12:15You know, that kind of education.
- 12:17Well, let's go to Amy Meyer, because PETA
- 12:19is on the ground there helping out.
- 12:23Yes.
- 12:23So myself and one of my colleagues have
- 12:26been to Bainbridge several times.
- 12:28We've been meeting with residents there constantly.
- 12:32And these are smart, compassionate people.
- 12:35They understand the ethical issue, too.
- 12:38I've never met so many people who learned
- 12:40so quickly what is at stake here for
- 12:44the animals themselves.
- 12:45They absolutely care deeply about the animals themselves.
- 12:49And when they watched the footage of what
- 12:51happened at InVigo's beagle breeding facility, when one
- 12:55of these men trying to start the monkey
- 12:57factory farm was there, they have been appalled.
- 13:02And they have no trust that he's going
- 13:04to do any better with many more times
- 13:07monkeys in their town.
- 13:09They're absolutely concerned about the animals themselves.
- 13:12But it's also, you know, a more direct
- 13:15impact to them than it is to other
- 13:17people who care about the animals as well,
- 13:19because it is impacting them directly if this
- 13:22comes to their community.
- 13:24But they absolutely have learned so much, are
- 13:26so well educated on the topic and on
- 13:29the ethical issue, and have really become amazing
- 13:33advocates for these monkeys trapped in laboratories across
- 13:36the country.
- 13:37And before we go to the next caller,
- 13:39I want to point out that we have
- 13:41a GoFundMe.
- 13:43We've posted it in the comments section.
- 13:45If you're watching now, you could hopefully copy
- 13:49it or just copy and paste it off
- 13:51of Facebook.
- 13:52We're on all platforms.
- 13:54So please help them donate, because PETA's fighting
- 13:58it, but they also have a local GoFundMe.
- 14:01All right, next caller, Tiffany in Los Angeles,
- 14:04your question or thought for our panel on
- 14:06stop monkey breeding in Georgia.
- 14:10Yes, good afternoon, Jane.
- 14:13And thank you, PETA and all who are
- 14:15taking this on.
- 14:17And I know I was reading something too,
- 14:19that one of the CEOs or something was
- 14:21related to the Beagle facility that was shut
- 14:25down, and that he's faced a lot of
- 14:27legal problems.
- 14:29But I wanted to ask, what, how, how
- 14:34did you discover this, that this was going
- 14:36on in the dark?
- 14:37Because I'm just thinking they could be planning
- 14:40this in any of our cities, and we
- 14:42may find out too late.
- 14:44How, how are you able to find out
- 14:46what was going on?
- 14:47Great question.
- 14:49Who wants to take it?
- 14:50Amy, go.
- 14:52Oh, sure.
- 14:53And Christina, please chime in.
- 14:55If you want to add, PETA actually was
- 14:57alerted by some of the local residents who
- 14:59discovered this was happening.
- 15:01And unfortunately, by the time we learned the
- 15:03city had already started steam rolling.
- 15:07So it really is hard to know.
- 15:10And they intentionally make it hard to know.
- 15:12When they were presenting this to the city,
- 15:15they called this monkey factory farm operation Project
- 15:18Liberty.
- 15:19That sounds like a wonderful thing.
- 15:21If you just see on paper, they're gonna
- 15:23that the city is going to see something
- 15:24about a Project Liberty doesn't sound bad.
- 15:27But of course, it is.
- 15:29And so, you know, I definitely recommend that
- 15:32people pay attention to what's happening in their
- 15:35own communities, especially this region of the country
- 15:39where we've seen some other companies trying to
- 15:41set up similar monkey factory farms in Texas.
- 15:45We've stopped them in Florida already to keep
- 15:47an eye on it.
- 15:48And one thing PETA is doing to try
- 15:50to stay ahead of it before any cities
- 15:52make promises that they shouldn't be keeping and
- 15:55that their citizens don't want is doing public
- 15:58records requests to agencies in the states.
- 16:01And this is something that citizens can do
- 16:03to send a public records request to your
- 16:05city officials asking if they have any documents
- 16:08related to monkey farms, or, you know, any
- 16:13kind of non human primate operation coming to
- 16:15town, really just to try to be in
- 16:19the know about it.
- 16:19But PETA is really doing everything we can
- 16:22to learn about any other thing, setting up
- 16:24and always encourage people to contact us if
- 16:28you're hearing anything on the ground, because you're
- 16:30the animal's best advocates for in your community,
- 16:33you know the most about your community.
- 16:34Our next caller, we've got Lindsay and Tarzana,
- 16:37your question or thought for our panel.
- 16:40Yeah, I mean, I'm just listening and getting
- 16:44angrier and angrier.
- 16:46I think this has such far reaching effect.
- 16:50I realise how the community how much it
- 16:53impacts on the community, but you were talking
- 16:55about the farmers and the farmers grow our
- 16:58food.
- 16:59So this is all this poison and all
- 17:02of this horrific insanity, this insane torture.
- 17:05We know that from studies that it does
- 17:09not work on humans, that in the human
- 17:11model, many of the drugs fail.
- 17:14That's a path in the animal model.
- 17:16We know all of this.
- 17:18Why is this still going on?
- 17:19And how could these officials, how could these
- 17:23officials see a line of people around the
- 17:25block and still question they have any right
- 17:28to put that there or give permission to
- 17:31put that there?
- 17:32You know, great point.
- 17:35Christina, what is the reaction of these people
- 17:38who made this happen or trying to make
- 17:41this happen?
- 17:42They are local residents.
- 17:44They didn't fly in from, you know, Mars.
- 17:47They live there.
- 17:49What kind of blowback are they getting?
- 17:51Well, our county commissioners have basically recent and
- 17:56they've done a little bit more research and
- 17:59they're regretful for their decision.
- 18:02As far as our mayor, city council, nothing.
- 18:08Absolutely nothing.
- 18:10As far as I know from communication with
- 18:15PETA between city council, mayor, I don't think
- 18:17there's been a whole lot.
- 18:21I don't think that, I know that the
- 18:24local media has not had any response from
- 18:28our local officials.
- 18:32It's pretty incredible.
- 18:35The board of education has not really responded.
- 18:38The development authority, the ones that brought this
- 18:42to the table have somewhat resent but not
- 18:46really because behind the scenes they continue to
- 18:51tell people on the street it's a done
- 18:54deal.
- 18:54It's still a go.
- 18:56You know, there's that PETA is blowing everything
- 18:58out of proportion.
- 18:59I mean, we have that.
- 19:00We have a clip of one of the
- 19:03members from the development authority saying that it's
- 19:06all PETA's fault.
- 19:08PETA's blowing everything out of proportion and they
- 19:10pay universities to do this and that, to
- 19:13write articles, just to hype everybody up and
- 19:17put fear into the community.
- 19:20We're not idiots.
- 19:22We're not idiots and we're all doing our
- 19:24own research.
- 19:26You know, it's like Amy said, the people
- 19:29here are concerned about the animals welfare as
- 19:32well.
- 19:34They've done so much research on their own
- 19:37and I mean, it's pretty incredible to see
- 19:41all likes of people come together and do
- 19:45their own research and really work hard.
- 19:48I mean, we've been doing this since January
- 19:50the 16th.
- 19:51We have been boots on the ground, doing
- 19:55everything that we can, but the collar, that
- 19:59last collar, the crops, that is something that
- 20:04really needs to be addressed because you have
- 20:07to think about it.
- 20:08We grow a lot of cotton.
- 20:10We grow a lot of corn.
- 20:12We grow a lot of peanuts.
- 20:15I mean, there are a lot of crops
- 20:17that come from this region and there's, and
- 20:21these farms surround the proposed monkey facility.
- 20:26Okay.
- 20:27I'm going to jump in because we have
- 20:28so many callers.
- 20:29This has hit a nerve.
- 20:33We got four now.
- 20:34Nilofar in Dallas, Texas, your question or thought?
- 20:39Hi, it sounds like you have a very
- 20:42strong case.
- 20:43So what's the likelihood of winning it?
- 20:47What is the approximate timeline for winning it
- 20:51and what can we do outside of the
- 20:55Bain County to assist?
- 20:58All right, Amy.
- 21:00So one thing that everyone can easily do
- 21:04is go to peta.org forward slash Bainbridge.
- 21:08That's B-A-I-N B-R-I
- 21:10-D-G-E.
- 21:12And there you can read more about this
- 21:13and you can quickly with the click of
- 21:15a button email the city officials in Bainbridge
- 21:18to echo the concerns of the residents there
- 21:21and urge them to stop this disastrous plan.
- 21:25And in terms of the lawsuit, I wish
- 21:27I was a lawyer and understood how all
- 21:29these timelines work.
- 21:30It's my understanding that this could take a
- 21:33while, but like I said, in the meantime,
- 21:36the companies had to have been put on
- 21:38hold for now.
- 21:39And so, you know, the longer it takes
- 21:42while it's on hold, hopefully they'll be sitting
- 21:45with it and feeling that this is a
- 21:47bad investment.
- 21:48It's not worth doing.
- 21:50A lot of the companies, biggest companies in
- 21:52the U.S. that experiment on monkeys have
- 21:55been reducing the number of monkeys in the
- 21:57last year that they're experimenting on.
- 22:00And these monkeys that they're talking about bringing
- 22:02to Bainbridge are an endangered species of monkeys
- 22:06now.
- 22:06The IUCN has listed them as endangered just
- 22:09in 2022.
- 22:11It's a terrible idea.
- 22:12It's only getting worse.
- 22:13And so hopefully they'll just shut down this
- 22:15plan altogether before it gets started.
- 22:17All right.
- 22:18In Dallas, Texas, your question or thought for
- 22:21our panel, stop the monkey business in Georgia.
- 22:27I'm just so impressed and proud of this
- 22:29community coming together and standing up against a
- 22:33corporation that puts profits before people.
- 22:37Congratulations.
- 22:38I'm so proud.
- 22:39I wish you all the best.
- 22:40What advice, what other additional advice would you
- 22:43give other citizens in other cities to organise
- 22:47and, you know, work together to, you know,
- 22:52fight off, you know, you know, interests that
- 22:57don't have our interests.
- 22:59How can we organise and be successful like
- 23:02you?
- 23:03Well, I want to jump in and answer
- 23:06that question with an observation.
- 23:07It was many years ago.
- 23:09I happen to be in Puerto Rico for
- 23:10a Hispanic journalist conference when two people came
- 23:15up to me very agitated.
- 23:17They said, we're from the Puerto Rican Bar
- 23:19Association Animal Rights Subcommittee and there is a
- 23:23laboratory monkey breeding facility that they've already built
- 23:27in a little town called Guayama in Puerto
- 23:29Rico.
- 23:30And they broke all the rules and they
- 23:32built it.
- 23:32And we don't think we can stop it.
- 23:34And I remember saying, don't say you can't
- 23:36stop it until you've tried.
- 23:39And PETA got involved and fought this all
- 23:42the way up to the Puerto Rican Supreme
- 23:43Court.
- 23:44And the Puerto Rican Supreme Court ruled that
- 23:46the company violated all sorts of regulations and
- 23:50it never got to open.
- 23:53It's, you know, the same industry that's now
- 23:55trying to open in Georgia.
- 23:58And it was stopped in Puerto Rico.
- 24:00And Amy, you've talked about, it seems like
- 24:03they're always trying to open it somewhere.
- 24:06Somewhere.
- 24:07Yeah.
- 24:08And I just want to, you know, I
- 24:10echo just my, I've just been so inspired
- 24:13by the people in Bainbridge who have been
- 24:15coming together, different walks of life, people who
- 24:18never in a million years thought that they
- 24:20would become friends with a PETA staff member
- 24:23who I would consider my friends now.
- 24:26I not only want to stop this facility
- 24:28because I care so deeply about the monkeys
- 24:30it impacts.
- 24:31I care about my friends in Bainbridge too,
- 24:33who are desperately trying not to get it
- 24:35built.
- 24:36And they are putting aside other differences and
- 24:38all coming together.
- 24:38And it's so inspiring.
- 24:40And I hope that people can learn from
- 24:41that in their own communities to really come
- 24:43together, to work together on a focused thing
- 24:47to stop it.
- 24:48There's lots of ways you can take action
- 24:50to be pushing your members of Congress and
- 24:52other people to take action faster.
- 24:55All right.
- 24:56We've got Caitlin in Austin, Texas, your question
- 24:59or thought for the No Monkey Business in
- 25:01Georgia panel.
- 25:04Yeah, I just wanted to first say like,
- 25:06I appreciate y'all doing all this work.
- 25:08It's really important.
- 25:10I also wanted to touch on the fact
- 25:13of like, NIH has come out and said
- 25:16anywhere between 89 and 95% of these
- 25:19trials that are tested on animals don't actually
- 25:23work for human clinical trials.
- 25:25And so I'm wondering, y'all have anyone
- 25:27that is speaking about there that can outreach
- 25:30to the public or talk to the people
- 25:31involved in trying to get this passed there
- 25:34to educate them on their experience with animal
- 25:38testing and how it's no longer conducive to
- 25:40progress?
- 25:42I mean, we all know this.
- 25:45And, you know, the problem is covered this
- 25:48for many years, and I'm just updating.
- 25:50So people want to take action and we're
- 25:53getting all these, how do we help?
- 25:54How do we help?
- 25:55Well, you just go to PETA.org forward
- 25:58slash Bainbridge.
- 26:00And hopefully somebody who's watching will also post
- 26:03the GoFundMe, the local GoFundMe, copy this and
- 26:09get it on Facebook so that those who
- 26:12want to support that can also go there.
- 26:16They need funds there, and they haven't gotten
- 26:18funds for the last couple of months.
- 26:20So we need funds going in there.
- 26:21And I never ask anybody to do something
- 26:24that I don't do.
- 26:25So as soon as I'm off this broadcast,
- 26:26I will be donating.
- 26:27I urge you also to donate to this
- 26:30GoFundMe page so that the citizens on the
- 26:32ground have some support there for the buttons
- 26:35and all the things that they're printing up.
- 26:37And I'm sure PETA helps them as well.
- 26:39So, you know, the truth is that our
- 26:44government is what's keeping this going because they're
- 26:49funding a lot of these experiments with your
- 26:52tax dollars, knowing full well they don't work.
- 26:55And PETA has uncovered horror story after horror
- 26:58story, way back from the Silver Springs case,
- 27:02which was a national shame, all the way
- 27:05to things they're finding today with people doing
- 27:08just bizarre and stupid experiments, scaring monkeys, ripping
- 27:13them away from their mothers and scaring them.
- 27:15And it's just, it's mediaeval, it's barbaric.
- 27:19And everybody knows that we're in the 21st
- 27:22century.
- 27:23We have organs on a chip.
- 27:25We have so many other ways.
- 27:27And they're using literally like 19th century or
- 27:31earlier techniques.
- 27:32And it's all because it's a big business.
- 27:35The universities get a cut, so they want
- 27:38to keep doing it.
- 27:39The people who are in charge of the
- 27:41National Institutes of Health, for the most part,
- 27:43are vivid sectors themselves.
- 27:46I mean, stop me, Amy, when I'm going
- 27:48off the chart.
- 27:50Yeah, no, you have it absolutely right, Jane.
- 27:53And that's what makes it so hard is
- 27:55the people who are making the decisions about
- 27:57what, where the money should go, for themselves,
- 28:01these, primate or other animal experimenters.
- 28:04And so we're seeing change, it's coming slowly,
- 28:07but it's happening.
- 28:08You know, the number of primates imported into
- 28:11the US last year fell dramatically, which is
- 28:14so critical, because the primate experimentation industry has
- 28:18literally been driving these long-tailed macaques toward
- 28:21extinction.
- 28:23That's part of why they are now endangered
- 28:25is because the US has been pulling about
- 28:2830,000 of them every year, for years
- 28:31out of Asia and Africa.
- 28:33So that's something we can be hopeful about.
- 28:36The number dropped drastically last year.
- 28:38We need to keep the monkeys where they
- 28:40belong with their families in the forest, and
- 28:43out of laboratory cages.
- 28:45And the change is happening.
- 28:47It's slower than we all want.
- 28:48And we all need to be working together
- 28:49to make it faster.
- 28:50All right, Maggie in Sacramento, your question or
- 28:54thought for our fantastic Stop the Monkey Business
- 28:57in Georgia panel.
- 28:59Hello, hello.
- 29:00Thank you so much for what you're doing.
- 29:02First of all, I feel so connected with
- 29:06what you are doing, because actually here in
- 29:08Sacramento, we do the same.
- 29:10We have UC Davis, they test on monkeys,
- 29:13they have 5,000 monkeys here.
- 29:15So we try to organise process here at
- 29:17Davis and in Sacramento.
- 29:19But my question is, how can I physically
- 29:22help you?
- 29:23What I mean, like, I'm willing to travel
- 29:26and stay a week over there and help
- 29:29you process and walking from door to door
- 29:31and giving people slides, informing them what's happening.
- 29:35How can we do it physically?
- 29:36Is there any information that we can get
- 29:38how to join you and how to, help
- 29:41you basically processing it?
- 29:44Wow, what an incredible offer, Christina.
- 29:49If you could, Jane's already posted the GoFundMe
- 29:53account.
- 29:55Honestly, that's the biggest help at this point
- 29:58right now.
- 29:59We have so many lawsuits.
- 30:02Things are not on hold, so to speak.
- 30:06We are doing protests.
- 30:08We're attending every city council meeting, every board
- 30:11of education meeting, every development authority meeting, every
- 30:14county commission, every local meeting we're attending.
- 30:18We've got set groups that attend each meeting.
- 30:24And then we also have our protest groups
- 30:25that rotate.
- 30:27We have our weekly prayer get together at
- 30:31the downtown square so that it's visible, because
- 30:36City Hall, of course, is right downtown.
- 30:39I mean, we're on the ground, but honestly,
- 30:43because so many people think that there's nothing
- 30:48that we're done, that it's done, that it's
- 30:50a done deal.
- 30:51And we're constantly, constantly working every single day,
- 30:56and it's not a done deal.
- 30:58So that's why funds right now, the GoFundMe,
- 31:01that is the biggest help.
- 31:06Yeah, we're going to put that up again.
- 31:07I have a question.
- 31:09So you said that some of the local
- 31:11officials are like, you know, they're just kind
- 31:15of forging ahead, but aren't they elected?
- 31:18I mean, if the town is so outraged,
- 31:21which you've offered plenty of evidence, a lawsuit,
- 31:24giant groups of people showing up to say,
- 31:27why are you doing this?
- 31:29When's the next election, I guess, is my
- 31:31question.
- 31:33I don't have that in front of me,
- 31:35but I believe 20.
- 31:42Oh, you're breaking up just a tad.
- 31:44Maybe you could handle that one.
- 31:47Well, yeah.
- 31:48Amy.
- 31:49Yeah, that's something that the locals are paying
- 31:52attention to.
- 31:53We've even seen some locals running for some
- 31:56offices on a platform opposing the monkey farm.
- 32:00So there's a lot of that type of
- 32:04activism happening there locally.
- 32:06And it's really powerful.
- 32:08It's a small community.
- 32:09It doesn't take switching that many voters to
- 32:12this issue.
- 32:14And there's a lot of people who are
- 32:15very impassioned about this issue.
- 32:18So I'm sure that's something that they'll be
- 32:20working on in the future election cycles.
- 32:23But what I don't understand is, and you're,
- 32:26you are breaking up a little bit, I
- 32:27would suggest turn off any phones you have
- 32:30so you can get a better signal.
- 32:32But let me ask you this, Amy.
- 32:35I mean, look, what is, what would the
- 32:39motivation if you're a public official, and people
- 32:43are literally so outraged that they're filing lawsuits
- 32:45and they're jamming into these hearings?
- 32:48What would your motivation be to have a
- 32:53stance that is completely in defiance of what
- 32:57these people want?
- 32:59I don't really get that.
- 33:02Maybe you could talk a little bit about
- 33:04the money issues that are here.
- 33:06What are the money issues, Amy?
- 33:09Yeah, I think you hit the nail on
- 33:12the head there, Jane.
- 33:13It always boils down to the money, right?
- 33:16And what the company had got from the
- 33:20city and county was a bond worth $300
- 33:23million with an additional $60 million in incentives.
- 33:28And the company is promising that it's going
- 33:30to build the local economy.
- 33:32They're going to create all these great paying
- 33:34jobs.
- 33:34Look at how much money we can sell
- 33:36these monkeys to laboratories for.
- 33:38It's going to be a boom to the
- 33:40local economy.
- 33:41And that's what the city's banking on.
- 33:43Like most small cities in America, they're looking
- 33:46at what kind of industry they can be
- 33:48bringing that is going to last and be
- 33:51a boom to the local economy.
- 33:54But what PETA and the locals have been
- 33:55trying to tell them is even if that's
- 33:57all they care about, it's a losing bet.
- 34:01This is an industry that is on its
- 34:02way out, not ramping up.
- 34:04And so it's not even a good bet.
- 34:06And frankly, it would be hard to even
- 34:08fill these jobs.
- 34:09We've seen private laboratories across the country struggling
- 34:13to fill basic needs like the veterinary positions
- 34:16because they're just not jobs anyone wants to
- 34:19do.
- 34:19No one wants to have to sit and
- 34:21watch these monkeys being tormented in these kinds
- 34:25of places where they're kept in such unnatural
- 34:28settings that they literally spin around endlessly in
- 34:31their cages.
- 34:32They do backflips.
- 34:33Sometimes they're even biting off their own fingers
- 34:37and toes.
- 34:37They're driven absolutely mad when they are confined
- 34:41in such small spaces that this is not
- 34:43an industry any compassionate person wants to be
- 34:47involved with.
- 34:48So that's what we're trying to convince these
- 34:51city officials of still.
- 34:52Well, I would like to tell you, and
- 34:54I think we've got you back, Christina, that
- 34:56I was involved in another battle to stop
- 35:00another similar laboratory monkey breeding facility, this one
- 35:04in Hendry County, Florida.
- 35:06And I got a call because, believe it
- 35:09or not, my first job out of college
- 35:12was in Fort Myers, Florida, and I had
- 35:14kept some connections there.
- 35:16And I got a call from a senior
- 35:17citizen, wonderful animal rescuer, and she told me
- 35:21that they were trying to build another one
- 35:23of these giant laboratory monkey breeding facilities in
- 35:25Hendry County, which is just north of Fort
- 35:27Myers.
- 35:28So we went there and it was a
- 35:30very similar situation where the local government, there
- 35:36was this person who had come in and
- 35:38they were sort of like economic development people,
- 35:41right?
- 35:42Now, again, it seemed like it was something
- 35:44that couldn't be stopped, but it did get
- 35:46stopped.
- 35:47Not to say that there isn't another facility
- 35:49there now, but that was pre-existing, but
- 35:51they wanted to really, really expand it massively.
- 35:55And what happened was there was this meeting
- 35:59of all the economic development councils in Florida,
- 36:02and they were all supposed to do their
- 36:05presentations.
- 36:05And we all went, we bought a table
- 36:07and we went.
- 36:08And we sat there and there was this
- 36:09one young woman who didn't want to go.
- 36:11She said, I'm not into protesting at all.
- 36:13And we said, well, you know, if you
- 36:15want to come, come.
- 36:16If you don't, don't.
- 36:17And we're all just sitting there.
- 36:18And the Hendry County guy got up and
- 36:21did his whole presentation, never mentioning the laboratory
- 36:26monkey breeding facility plan.
- 36:28That somehow outraged the woman who was reluctant
- 36:32at first.
- 36:33She rushed up to the front of the
- 36:34stage, jumped on the stage and said, these
- 36:38people are hiding what they're trying to do.
- 36:40Words to that effect, all hell broke loose.
- 36:43There were congressmen in the audience.
- 36:45It became just a wild scene.
- 36:50Reporters were coming up and asking me for
- 36:52my video because I ran up and did
- 36:54a phone video and it killed it.
- 36:58It killed it because it was a shameful
- 37:01experience at this highly prestigious conference.
- 37:05We hadn't even been planning to protest.
- 37:07We were just there to see what was
- 37:08going on.
- 37:09But this woman got so upset.
- 37:11She literally jumped up on the stage.
- 37:14And you know what?
- 37:15God bless her.
- 37:16Because that one action did more to galvanise
- 37:21or to show the powers that be that
- 37:25people were really upset.
- 37:27So I always say never.
- 37:29And the guy cleared out.
- 37:31We went to try to contact him in
- 37:33Hendry County.
- 37:33We couldn't even find him.
- 37:35Literally, he had cleaned out his house and
- 37:38we drove up and it was empty.
- 37:40So I bring you that story because I
- 37:44say never give up.
- 37:47There will be a point where it will
- 37:50become politically untenable for this to move forward.
- 37:53Now that we've got you back, what are
- 37:55your thoughts on that, Christina?
- 37:56We're not.
- 37:58And thank God for PETA.
- 37:59It would not be where we are right
- 38:02now if it had not been for PETA.
- 38:04And we're not giving up.
- 38:07Sometimes you wake up and you feel like
- 38:09you're beating your head against the wall.
- 38:11Sometimes we are beating our head against the
- 38:12wall.
- 38:13But we're not going to stop.
- 38:15And regardless of the few local officials that
- 38:19continue to say that they're not going to
- 38:22stop and that this will continue, we're not
- 38:25going to allow it.
- 38:26We're just going to keep fighting.
- 38:27We're going to keep doing what we have
- 38:29to do and we're not going to let
- 38:31it happen.
- 38:32I there's too much farmland, the Gulf Coast.
- 38:37There's too much at stake and we're not
- 38:40going to happen.
- 38:43I have to say, and being from a
- 38:47small town, it makes sense to me, but
- 38:50I'm sure others from larger cities, it might
- 38:54not.
- 38:55But the attitude, the audacity of our
- 39:04city officials that there's no heart.
- 39:11I mean, it's almost like it's money.
- 39:15It's only money to them.
- 39:17And I don't know.
- 39:19I just, I can't grasp that.
- 39:22And that's why we've all just, you know,
- 39:25we've got our boots on and our gloves
- 39:28and we're not going to stop.
- 39:30And you can see the GoFundMe right here.
- 39:34Sorry, it's such a long URL, but if
- 39:37you can copy it, do a screen grab
- 39:40and then copy it down.
- 39:42We really are urging people, those here today,
- 39:46to help this local group fight this monkey
- 39:51breeding facility.
- 39:52And so that's another thing.
- 39:54So I want to recap and review.
- 39:57Has the judge made the decision as to
- 40:00whether the company involved can be part of
- 40:04the lawsuit?
- 40:05What's happening with that?
- 40:09Uh, yeah, Amy.
- 40:11No, the judge has not issued a decision
- 40:14on that part of this case yet.
- 40:16So it could still take a few more
- 40:18weeks for the judge to decide if they'll
- 40:20let the company be involved in the lawsuit.
- 40:23And then, of course, it will be even
- 40:25longer for the entire lawsuit to wrap up.
- 40:28So that will be the next step, though,
- 40:30is the judge deciding if the company gets
- 40:33to intervene in the case.
- 40:35All right.
- 40:36And we've got a report here from a
- 40:38local news reporter that actually shows really how
- 40:45huge this facility would be.
- 40:48It hasn't been built, but you'll see.
- 40:50AJ Douglas live at the Decatur County Superior
- 40:52Courthouse.
- 40:53I'm tracking a major legal battle as economic
- 40:56development continues to keep this community on edge.
- 41:00Passing by court in Decatur County Tuesday morning.
- 41:02You may have seen a colourful display like
- 41:04this one.
- 41:05Neighbours in my community continue standing against a
- 41:08proposed primate breeding facility.
- 41:10The economic development project drove a small group
- 41:13of neighbours to file a lawsuit against leaders
- 41:15in Bainbridge and multiple agencies in Decatur County.
- 41:19The reality is this is a case about
- 41:21the Open Meetings Act.
- 41:23It is not about the bond validation.
- 41:25The Open Meetings Act.
- 41:26That's what Rebecca Davis argues multiple leaders violated
- 41:29back in December when the economic deal with
- 41:31Safer Human Medicine got the green light.
- 41:34Davis represents a handful of Decatur County neighbours
- 41:36who decided to take their grievances to court.
- 41:39Their lawsuit says neighbours weren't given enough information
- 41:43about the project before it moved forward.
- 41:46Neighbours, including Laura White and Verna Merritt.
- 41:48They both were in the courtroom watching Tuesday
- 41:51morning.
- 41:51I was praying that our Lord God would
- 41:54intervene in his will to be done.
- 41:57It was an honour to be able to
- 41:59be here at this court case and quite
- 42:02a experience.
- 42:04So let me ask you, Christina, that's a
- 42:08huge facility.
- 42:09The bottom line with that report, which was
- 42:12pretty well done, I'm sure she only had
- 42:14a very short amount of time to put
- 42:15it together, so kudos to her, is that
- 42:19they did it behind your back.
- 42:21Tell us about that.
- 42:24Basically, in January, we were, a group of
- 42:31people got together because we saw the Project
- 42:36Liberty on an agenda and started doing research
- 42:41on- What about me?
- 42:47You broke up again.
- 42:49Pick it up.
- 42:50Pick it up over there, Amy.
- 42:51Pick it up on what happened there.
- 42:53So the way I'm seeing it is they
- 42:56call this Project Liberty, which is just Orwellian.
- 43:01You're going to put 30,000 monkeys in
- 43:03cages and you're going to call it Project
- 43:06Liberty.
- 43:07Okay.
- 43:08Think about that for a second.
- 43:10Then they see this thing called Project Liberty
- 43:14on an agenda item and then what happens?
- 43:19Yeah.
- 43:19They start paying attention.
- 43:21Actually, one of the residents even went to
- 43:24one of the hearings where they were moving
- 43:27to approve this bond process.
- 43:30From there, the local reporters started reporting on
- 43:34it and it really just exploded in the
- 43:37local community because at that point, the lid
- 43:39was off.
- 43:40People understood what they started to understand, what
- 43:43was coming to town and doing their own
- 43:45research about what this would mean for their
- 43:48community and the potential for zoonotic disease risks
- 43:52that come with these monkeys imported with severely
- 43:56immunocompromised bodies and the waste that they generate
- 44:00and then learning who these executives are in
- 44:04this company and their history with other companies
- 44:08importing monkeys that have been experiencing lots of
- 44:14violations of US law and apparently international law
- 44:19with these companies bringing in monkeys and experimenting
- 44:21on them.
- 44:22They reached out to PETA for help as
- 44:25we were learning about it and we started
- 44:27working together.
- 44:30Yeah.
- 44:31You know what?
- 44:32PETA has always been, in both of the
- 44:34other cases that I covered, the one in
- 44:36Puerto Rico and the one in Hendry County,
- 44:38PETA was there front and centre.
- 44:41In fact, with the one in Hendry County,
- 44:43just as this was developing, PETA had done
- 44:47an undercover investigation with video at a nearby
- 44:51laboratory breeding facility, laboratory primate breeding facility, and
- 44:56that created shockwaves.
- 44:58It was in the news.
- 45:00One funny thing I want to say was
- 45:02that just as is happening in Bainbridge, the
- 45:06powers that be in Hendry County that were
- 45:09pushing for this ginormous laboratory monkey breeding facility,
- 45:12they wanted to become the bio farming capital
- 45:15of the world.
- 45:16It's all coming back to me.
- 45:18They said, well, these are radical animal rights
- 45:21extremists who are trying to stop this.
- 45:24My friend who was in her 80s brought
- 45:28all her friends over to the hearing and
- 45:32they were all literally almost entirely a large
- 45:35group of senior citizens in tennis shoes, some
- 45:38of them in 80s and 85.
- 45:41They were the cutest group.
- 45:43I remember looking at the reporter going, look
- 45:46at your radical animal rights activists here, just
- 45:50local residents in their 80s and 70s in
- 45:54tennis shoes.
- 45:55They always try that, Amy.
- 45:58They always go for that, these are radicals,
- 46:00when these are really people who live in
- 46:02the community who very reasonably don't want a
- 46:07ginormous monkey breeding facility in their homes.
- 46:10That's exactly right, Jane.
- 46:12They always paint everyone as radical extremists if
- 46:15you care about animals.
- 46:18They always paint themselves as people who are
- 46:21saving our children.
- 46:22It's just not the case.
- 46:25What's even more offensive to me when this
- 46:27company says that is that they don't even
- 46:29live in Bainbridge.
- 46:30They're bringing all these problems to a community
- 46:33that they don't even live in.
- 46:34They live in their mansion up in the
- 46:37New England area.
- 46:39This isn't even their community to be disturbing.
- 46:42They have no sense of what this community
- 46:44wants and needs because they haven't even bothered
- 46:47to spend time getting to be on the
- 46:49ground and getting to know these people.
- 46:51If they did, they would meet people like
- 46:53Christina and understand what their values are and
- 46:56what they want their town to be.
- 46:58Their town was on the right trajectory having
- 47:00all these great improvements and all these great
- 47:03investments in their local downtown before this happened.
- 47:06They want to see more of that, of
- 47:08developing Bainbridge to a place that's friendly for
- 47:11families and a fun place to be, not
- 47:14a place that brings in dangerous monkey breeding
- 47:17facilities.
- 47:19Especially because we see right now with the
- 47:22weather in Georgia, it's just such a dangerous
- 47:25place to be building this kind of facility
- 47:28where monkeys could escape.
- 47:31The 400,000 gallons of wastewater they're producing
- 47:35every day could be seeping into the water
- 47:37and the soil that the farmers rely on.
- 47:39It's just such a bad deal all around.
- 47:42And you brought up a very interesting point.
- 47:45I have covered this too as a reporter,
- 47:48monkeys who escape.
- 47:49These animals are very smart.
- 47:51And when you talk about 30,000 monkeys,
- 47:54oh my gosh, there have been many, many,
- 47:59many escapes from facilities that breed monkeys for
- 48:04laboratory experimentation.
- 48:07In fact, I'm just going to say it,
- 48:08facilities that breed monkeys to be tortured in
- 48:11laboratories.
- 48:13Tell us a little bit about that, Amy.
- 48:15Yeah, like you said, they're extremely smart animals.
- 48:19It can happen.
- 48:20And it has happened at some of the
- 48:21most secure places in the country.
- 48:24So to think that it wouldn't happen here
- 48:26is just reckless, frankly.
- 48:29And beyond even the animals themselves getting out,
- 48:31we know that these animals, these monkeys are
- 48:34coming into the country.
- 48:36They would have to import them from Asia
- 48:38and Africa first before they could do any
- 48:40breeding, which I don't understand how they would
- 48:43even do that because there's so like, the
- 48:46number of monkeys left is just dwindling.
- 48:49But they come in and they can harbour
- 48:51dangerous pathogens that can cross over to not
- 48:55only humans, but to other animals.
- 48:57And so their neighbours with animals next to
- 49:01it on these properties are really concerned about
- 49:03their own animals too.
- 49:05And of course, their children who'd be playing
- 49:07right next door to these places.
- 49:09It's just, there's just too many potential hazards
- 49:14to this facility coming in way more than
- 49:17any potential promise they're trying to get out
- 49:19of it other than money for themselves.
- 49:22All right, so where are we here?
- 49:24Because we've already done this story once.
- 49:27And I can tell you that Unchained TV,
- 49:30which is the world's only 100% plant
- 49:33-based animal rights streaming television network, you see
- 49:37it right behind me on my Samsung TV.
- 49:40You can download it using an Amazon Fire
- 49:42Stick, a Roku device, or an Apple TV
- 49:44device.
- 49:45We're going to stay on top of this
- 49:46story.
- 49:47And I want to give kudos to the
- 49:49local news down there in Bainbridge because a
- 49:52lot of times these stories don't get the
- 49:54coverage.
- 49:55But those reporters, there were two reporters who
- 49:58did reports on this, they did a really
- 50:00good job.
- 50:01And I certainly would suggest, Christina, that you
- 50:04keep them up to date with every single
- 50:06thing you do.
- 50:07Because having been a local news reporter, my
- 50:10first job was in Fort Myers, Florida, many
- 50:12years ago, I would get calls from people,
- 50:15oh, there's a story.
- 50:16Hey, I'm going to pitch that story.
- 50:18I'm going to go cover it if I
- 50:20get the okay to cover it.
- 50:22And that's creating relationships with the news organisations
- 50:27down there.
- 50:28So anytime you're doing something, turn it into
- 50:31a media event.
- 50:33That's really an important thing to do.
- 50:36So let's see, can we get a final
- 50:37thought from Christina?
- 50:40Am I here?
- 50:41Yep.
- 50:42Yeah.
- 50:43I touch base with our local media, our
- 50:46reporters, at least twice a week.
- 50:49So we're good friends now.
- 50:51So we stay in touch with everything weekly.
- 50:56And we're, our story is actually international.
- 51:00It's all over.
- 51:01So I'm grateful for that.
- 51:03And thank you, Jane, for everything that you're
- 51:06doing for us.
- 51:07And I mean, this is just going to
- 51:10just bump us up another notch to put
- 51:14us out there.
- 51:14And we appreciate everything.
- 51:16We appreciate PETA.
- 51:17And everybody in this town that has really
- 51:20just put it out there.
- 51:23You know, it's really amazing to see everybody
- 51:27coming together.
- 51:29And you were not stopping.
- 51:31You were texting me that you've had four
- 51:34near tornado warnings in this year.
- 51:38You've had flood issues.
- 51:39So that also impacts, my gosh.
- 51:43The flood warning, we've also had, the river
- 51:45has, we've had three near floods from our,
- 51:51from the local river.
- 51:52So, you know, and the facility, proposed facility
- 51:54site is right across the street, basically from
- 51:58the river.
- 51:59And this river is known to flood.
- 52:02So, you know, for all those reasons, I
- 52:06certainly think you have a much better shot
- 52:09than the naysayers are suggesting.
- 52:12I mean, when there's this kind of opposition,
- 52:14there is no such thing as a done
- 52:16deal.
- 52:17And one of the reports said, we only
- 52:20have a couple of seconds left, Amy, that
- 52:22some of the agencies involved have regretted it
- 52:26and said they are no longer in favour.
- 52:30That's right.
- 52:30You know, they at first were just hearing
- 52:33this company's rosy idea of what this would
- 52:36be.
- 52:36And when they learned the truth, they, and
- 52:38when they heard from their own constituents and
- 52:41their own people who were their teachers growing
- 52:44up telling them that they're disappointed in their
- 52:46decisions, it really made them sit back and
- 52:48reflect and regret their decisions.
- 52:51And so hopefully we see more of that
- 52:53from the city officials.
- 52:55That's where we need it.
- 52:56And we encourage all concerned citizens to keep
- 52:59demanding answers because this is an industry that
- 53:02thrives in the dark.
- 53:03They try to stay in secrecy and it's
- 53:07time to keep exposing them.
- 53:09We're so grateful to the people of Bainbridge
- 53:10for doing that.
- 53:11Well, we're going to stay on top of
- 53:13it.
- 53:14Please donate to the GoFundMe and support PETA
- 53:18and go in and check out all the
- 53:20information.
- 53:21This is a global issue.
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