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Is the Billionaire Space Race Hurting or Helping_(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: By the way, I don't mind going on a rocket,
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  Speaker 1: but it depends on where it's headed. Okay. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to boldly go where hundreds have gone before. Send
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  Speaker 1: me somewhere. Moon, Mars, beyond, I'm signed up.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever been offered to go to space?
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  Speaker 1: I was, no. Actually, no. But in space, what people
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  Speaker 1: say space is, you know, you got the Bezos, Branson,
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  Speaker 1: billionaire boys space race, but they just go up and
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  Speaker 1: fall back to Earth. The whole trip is within 30 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: They don't go into orbit. But they go above this
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  Speaker 1: magical place called the Karman line, where if you go
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  Speaker 1: above that level of the atmosphere, then daytime sky turns
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  Speaker 1: dark because there's not enough air to turn blue. And
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  Speaker 1: so they call that the Karman line. So if you
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  Speaker 1: go above that, you're classified as an astronaut. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying, I'm an astrophysicist. If you're going to send
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  Speaker 1: me into space, send me somewhere. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you knew that. Take Earth and shrink it down
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  Speaker 1: to a schoolroom globe. you can ask, how high up
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  Speaker 1: did they go?
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  Speaker 2: Down to the schoolroom globe?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's Earth, the schoolroom globe. How high up
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  Speaker 1: is the space station? Okay. Space station is less than
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  Speaker 1: a half an inch above the surface. Okay. And then
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  Speaker 1: the Bezos-Branson trip, they're the thickness of two dimes above
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  Speaker 1: Earth's surface. You remember that crazy dude that jumped out
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  Speaker 1: of a balloon for Red Bull, Felix Bumgarner?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, a few years back. His balloon, he died recently,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, doing one of these stunts. Damn, it's tough. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he jumped the thickness of one dime above the Earth.
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  Speaker 1: So none of this is really going anywhere for me,
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  Speaker 1: an astrophysicist. Send me somewhere, moon, Mars, and beyond, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. And if Elon says ride one of my rockets,
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  Speaker 1: I'll say, Elon, I want you to fly your mother
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  Speaker 1: first and bring her back safely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'll go.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. That's totally fair.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's very fair. You got to mom test it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But surely someone's reached out and offered you, said.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so I was once given an opportunity to ride
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  Speaker 1: in the Vomit Comet. You know, there's a plane that
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  Speaker 1: goes up and falls back down, and you're weightless for
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of time. Pepsi was going to offer
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  Speaker 1: me a spot. But I had to wear a Pepsi jumpsuit.
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  Speaker 1: and because they were advertising zero-calorie Pepsi, and this was
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  Speaker 1: a zero-gravity ride, and I could be photographed and end
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  Speaker 1: up in an ad, and I say, it ain't worth
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  Speaker 1: that much to me. I ain't giving my, so no,
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  Speaker 1: so I haven't.
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  Speaker 2: But have Katy Perry and those people, have they actually
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  Speaker 2: been in space, or they've just been above the common line?
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, that's.
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  Speaker 2: So technically they have.
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  Speaker 1: Technically they've been in space. Katy's been in space. And
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  Speaker 1: I thought they got a bad rap on that. People
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  Speaker 1: cacheted on that launch. And, well, Katie, she's got a
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  Speaker 1: new album out and they all want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: they're pretty with their makeup and everything. And I'm thinking, chill,
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  Speaker 1: first of all. When planes were invented, the first people
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  Speaker 1: to go were famous and rich people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the press wrote about it. And I'm saying, this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of interesting. Let's keep doing this. And the
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  Speaker 1: industry grew till it became its own thing. And so
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  Speaker 1: the aviation industry was birthed in exactly the same way.
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  Speaker 2: I see. So you got to use celebrities to advertise it.
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  Speaker 2: But I think here's the thing. Like you're saying, it
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  Speaker 2: didn't make sense in anybody's mind. Like, I can't even get.
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  Speaker 2: from here to Hoboken in a half hour, dude.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be hard.
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  Speaker 2: Right? I'm not going to think they can get to
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  Speaker 2: space and come right back. And then it kind of
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  Speaker 2: looked bizarre. And then they like over there, like the
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  Speaker 2: door was kind of open. There was a lot of
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  Speaker 2: stuff that didn't, they didn't help their own cause.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Well, I'm just saying. Celebrities in space, that's
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  Speaker 1: why I drew the line, and there they are. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that we're talking about it now is evidence.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you're, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's just an advertising thing, then yes. Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you're going to be a dick about it,
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  Speaker 1: you're still talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: But that's brave of those people to just be like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to trust this thing is going to make
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  Speaker 2: it into space and come back.
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  Speaker 1: And then come back and land safely. Yeah, yeah. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, if I'm going to put my life at
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  Speaker 1: risk in that way, I want to go farther. Give
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  Speaker 1: me something, a place to go.
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  Speaker 2: Who would you take into space with you?
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  Speaker 1: I'd bring family. I don't know if they'd agree.
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  Speaker 2: You'd bring family for two days.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, okay. I see what you're pointing. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Ain't nobody bringing family to space, bro. Hey, bro, you
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  Speaker 2: don't bring sand to the solar system, cub. You feel me?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I get it. Okay, but you want to bring, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, your– Your boys you hang out with, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, who would you bring? Like if you had to
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  Speaker 2: bring kind of like a little gang up to space,
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  Speaker 2: who do you go with?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. Okay. I hadn't thought
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  Speaker 1: about it. Because that would mean I'd be focusing on
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  Speaker 1: them when I'm really focusing on the universe.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe bring, yeah, I'm trying to think. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: actually a good question because it might take your energy away.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'd want to bring?
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  Speaker 2: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: A poet and a comedian.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I'd bring you. Because you look around and you say
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  Speaker 1: some funny shit. There's some funny stuff to be experienced. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Saturn looking thick. Yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 1: No, I highly value the lens through which comedians observe
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  Speaker 1: the world. Oh, yeah. Especially if it's a world you
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  Speaker 1: have not seen before. So you know what happens? Everything
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  Speaker 1: up there comes through your lens, right? And you're going
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  Speaker 1: to think about it in the context of all of
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  Speaker 1: your life and all the crazy people you grew up
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  Speaker 1: with and all the stories you tell. That's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen through this lens. And that'll keep me entertained the
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  Speaker 1: whole way.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thanks, bro. It's kind of become this privatized thing now,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like, in a way. Like, you know, Elon's
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  Speaker 2: trying to get there. Bezos is running it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you?
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  Speaker 2: What are your fears about space? Do you think it's
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  Speaker 2: going to get gentrified? I know in your book you
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  Speaker 2: talk about how much stuff is getting left in space.
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  Speaker 2: What are your fears about the privatization of space?
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  Speaker 1: The space debris is a whole separate issue. There's not
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  Speaker 1: only all the satellites. As I said earlier, Elon is
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  Speaker 1: now rising through his 12,000th satellite.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, wait. Tell me about that again.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's launched 12,000. He has 80% of all satellites
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  Speaker 1: orbiting the Earth were launched by SpaceX. Okay, so aliens
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  Speaker 1: coming to Earth and they see not only how many
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  Speaker 1: satellites are orbiting it, but the level of debris that's
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  Speaker 1: left over from destroyed satellites and paint chips and rocket
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  Speaker 1: boosters and things. I think that's why we haven't been
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  Speaker 1: visited by aliens. They're like, what the hell are you
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  Speaker 1: doing down there? And they just move on because it's
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  Speaker 1: a trash heap. And it doesn't become a trash heap
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  Speaker 1: until it's every trip you take, you encounter trash. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you go in the wilderness, you toss a candy wrapper over,
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  Speaker 1: no one's ever gonna see that again, they're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: come arrest you. But if a thousand people do that
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  Speaker 1: and the candy wrapper's everywhere, you've destroyed the wilderness. So
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  Speaker 1: space is kind of approaching that. So dude, check this out.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a video of debris orbiting the Earth.
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  Speaker 2: And- This is real?
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  Speaker 1: Earth, yes. and NASA tracks this, this is just what
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  Speaker 1: NASA tracks, the military tracks even more. Earth is in
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  Speaker 1: the center of that, and the low Earth orbiting debris
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  Speaker 1: is what's directly on the surface. The rest of that are,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, satellite, this is just the debris, not
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  Speaker 1: even the satellites we care about.
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  Speaker 2: How are we gonna fix it?
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  Speaker 1: We're zooming in, look at this. Nuh-uh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, huh? Well, how can planes even be out there?
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  Speaker 2: What is this?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's orbiting in space. Planes are much, much lower
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  Speaker 1: than that.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, how do you know it?
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  Speaker 1: How do I know what?
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  Speaker 2: This is real?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. It's as real as twins. This is the debris
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  Speaker 1: that we are actively tracking. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Look, and some of y'all cannot see this at home.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Some of your people just listened to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: About half.
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  Speaker 1: About half. We're looking at a NASA video of all
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  Speaker 1: of the.
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  Speaker 2: This looks like a snow globe inside out. A snow globe.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: You have to go look at this. But do we
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  Speaker 2: know that this is factual, Neil? How do they get
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  Speaker 2: this information?
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  Speaker 1: We're tracking it. You can track the debris. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, sometimes... Launch windows are affected by whether there's
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  Speaker 1: a hunk of debris that might collide with the thing
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to launch.
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  Speaker 2: Well, at this rate, how could they launch anything with
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  Speaker 2: this much debris going on?
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  Speaker 1: It's dangerous, and you're taking a risk. Space is very empty.
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  Speaker 1: You're looking at this compressed onto a screen. Got it.
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  Speaker 1: So usually you don't hit any of it, but if
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  Speaker 1: this gets worse, which it will, there's something called a
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  Speaker 1: Kessler effect. Let me hear you go, ooh. The Kessler effect.
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  Speaker 1: It's where there's so many satellites. These are going 18,000
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  Speaker 1: miles an hour, multiple times the speed of a rifle bullet, okay?
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  Speaker 1: And if you're hit by one of those bits and pieces,
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  Speaker 1: they're small. It'll destroy your, you break into pieces if
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  Speaker 1: you're another satellite. So one piece can break a satellite
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  Speaker 1: into let's say 10 pieces.
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  Speaker 2: So they're hitting each other all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Not yet. At the Kessler effect is there's a threshold
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  Speaker 1: above which if a single satellite gets destroyed, there are
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  Speaker 1: enough other satellites ready to be destroyed by its debris
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  Speaker 1: that it systematically destroys 100% of the satellites in orbit.
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  Speaker 1: That's called the Kessler effect. And you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: ever get near that. Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, the movie... Armageddon?
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  Speaker 2: No, Gravity.
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  Speaker 1: Gravity. was basically the Kessler effect. Do you remember that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where the debris just started taking everything out?
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  Speaker 2: It says, number of rocket launches since the start of
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  Speaker 2: the space age in 1957, about 7,320. Number of satellites
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  Speaker 2: these rocket.
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  Speaker 1: Launches have placed into Earth orbit, 27,490.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Number of these still in space, 18,840.
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  Speaker 1: Of those 18,000, about 12 to 14,000 are SpaceX.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. And about 2,500 of those or 2,800 of those
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  Speaker 2: are not even functioning anymore, but they are still out there.
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  Speaker 1: Now, here's the next one. Space objects regularly tracked and
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  Speaker 1: maintained in their catalog, 46,000.
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  Speaker 2: Okay? Wow. Wow. And then this is while total mass
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  Speaker 2: of all space objects in earth's.
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  Speaker 1: Orbit, 17,000 tons.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I'm not going out there. I'm not going out there.
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  Speaker 1: Stay here on earth. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Unless it gets weird, man.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it already weird? What is your threshold for weird?
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  Speaker 1: If it hasn't gotten weird enough for.
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  Speaker 2: You yet, we're there.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're even past there. Um, Yeah, do you
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  Speaker 2: start to think about that? What do you think's going on?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think that these elites are trying to do?
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  Speaker 2: Because obviously going into space is Elon's big thing, right?
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  Speaker 2: Is it just him having a blast because he has
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  Speaker 2: unlimited ideas? It's like a kid who can- And he's
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  Speaker 2: got the money. Right, he can do whatever he wants.
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  Speaker 2: Or do you think we will need colonization? Do you
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  Speaker 2: think there's something coming that they're not letting the rest
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  Speaker 2: of us know about?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not authorized to comment.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. If you make it in and I don't, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I said I'm taking you with me. Didn't I already
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  Speaker 1: say that?
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  Speaker 2: My boy.
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  Speaker 1: You're my first call. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, bro. And I'm going to hold you to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I will be there. Banging on the window. Hey, Neil.
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  Speaker 1: I got you on tape saying.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't they have that space treaty?
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  Speaker 1: What was? Well, there's the original outer space treaty from 1967. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what was that about? And that was peaceful cooperation in space.
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  Speaker 2: Amongst different countries, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because it came out in 1967. We're about to land
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  Speaker 1: on the moon. We're trying to beat Russia. And it says,
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  Speaker 1: we're all going into space. And that's the next frontier.
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  Speaker 1: We should do it together peacefully. Now, here's my rebuttal
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  Speaker 1: to that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay? If you can go into space with all these
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  Speaker 1: countries and be peaceful and kind to one another, then
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and do that on Earth. What do you
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  Speaker 1: mean you can't do that on Earth, but a treaty
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  Speaker 1: is gonna make us do that in space? Show me
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  Speaker 1: that you can do it on Earth. Then I'll have
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  Speaker 1: evidence that this will work in space, because I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe you. I don't believe you for a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Space don't want us, dude, if this is how we're acting.
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  Speaker 1: Plus it's very hostile to... human physiology.
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  Speaker 2: Space is.
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  Speaker 1: Space.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. There are a hundred ways you can die. People say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: going to Mars, that's like Columbus going to the new world. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. You know why? Because when Columbus came to
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  Speaker 1: the new world, the trees where he landed are made
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  Speaker 1: of wood, just like the trees in Spain where he
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  Speaker 1: built his ship. So he can repair his ship. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: what else? He steps off the ship, he can breathe
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  Speaker 1: the air. He steps off the ship, there are other
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  Speaker 1: human beings there to greet him and to feed him.
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  Speaker 1: On Mars, no such luxuries. If you crash on Mars,
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  Speaker 1: you're dead. If something breaks on your ship, you're dead.
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  Speaker 1: Unless you have like a 3D printer, okay?
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  Speaker 2: And what, you could just print you up a little something?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, print up a nut or a bolt or something,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, that's a good idea to bring.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 2: From now on, when people say, what are you bringing
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  Speaker 2: to an island? I got an idea.
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  Speaker 1: So what you do is you preload the Martian surface
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  Speaker 1: with these things you might need.
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  Speaker 2: Understood. The Outer Space Treaty, these are the rules. This
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  Speaker 2: is hilarious. No weapons of mass destruction are allowed in space, right?
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  Speaker 1: No ownership.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no ownership. No nation can claim sovereignty or ownership
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  Speaker 2: of outer space, the moon, or other planets. Peaceful use.
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  Speaker 2: Celestial bodies must be used only for peaceful goals. Military
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  Speaker 2: base and weapons are banned there. Space is open for
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  Speaker 2: exploration and used by every country equally. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a later version of this called the Artemis Accords,
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  Speaker 1: where in the Artemis Accords, we wrote it. It's the
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  Speaker 1: same as this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same, but it allows you to maybe make
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  Speaker 1: a business case for mining an asteroid. Nuh-uh. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The Artemis Accords?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Artemis Accords.
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  Speaker 2: A non-binding set of principles established by NASA and the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Department of State in 2020 to guide civil space exploration
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  Speaker 2: and cooperation on the moon, Mars, and other celestial bodies.
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  Speaker 1: So it leaves open business cases. Okay. Now, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: A hundred-something-odd countries have signed it. You know who hasn't
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  Speaker 1: signed it? Russia, China, North Korea, and Venezuela.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the treaty in progress right now. India's not spacefaring.
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  Speaker 1: They have a rover on the moon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they do? I bet it's picking up other people
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  Speaker 2: and driving them somewhere. Is that crazy, dude? I'm just joking, India.
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  Speaker 1: Can you still tell jokes like that? Oh, yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can? Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just joking.
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  Speaker 1: On this side of the tracks, you can tell those jokes.
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  Speaker 2: And my Indian friends will love that joke. Okay. Because
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  Speaker 2: I love them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And what was that second one that allowed the business,
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  Speaker 2: the Artemis Accord? Can you just show me that one
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  Speaker 2: more time?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's worded in a... The way I should say it,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: it's worded in a way that does not preclude business interests.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I wanted to just read.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: So there it goes. And look at all the countries
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: that have signed it. There it is. That's huge.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Half these countries never getting into space.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: No, but they might. Would you let them be ambitious, dude?
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Give them a dream? You're right. Please. Go back to the,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: if you go back to the table of contents, registration
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: of space objects, scientific data. Space heritage, space resources. Space resources.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: How's that for a code word? Let's go to page four.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Utilization that can benefit humankind by providing critical support for
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: safe and sustainable operations. The extraction and utilization of space resources.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Recovery from moon, Mars, comets, asteroids should be executed in
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: a manner that complies with the treaty. Safe, sustainable activities.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: They affirm that the extraction of resources do not inherently
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: constitute national appropriation. See, it's very loosey-goosey there, but it
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: opens the door because we have a lot of space enterprise,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: space industry ready to just jump on all of it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Do we have that? Yeah. I mean, is there a
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: lot of things that are kind of like in the
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: hopper that if.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: We- Yeah, when Artemis lands on the moon, it'll be
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: supported by three or four or five different large- space
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: industrial complex, right?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Well, we talked about that last time, didn't we?
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: What was it?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we talked about generational.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting subject because if the destination is
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: too far and it takes longer than your lifetime, then
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you just, they have what's called generational ships in science fiction.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Well, we talked about them last time we were on.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: And you thought maybe you weren't really sure about it.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be born on a ship that's
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: predestined to go somewhere because someone three generations before me
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: mandated that.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: But what if we need you?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: When we land, we need me.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: What if we need you? What if you're out there
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: for a purpose? Because somebody's going to be born on
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a ship in space and have to save us.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: You think that'll be how that goes? That's a good
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: science fiction story, right? So they are the chosen one.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: They are the savior. They're the one. They're Neo in
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the matrix.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: It's got to happen. Won't you think?
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: That's a modern day Jesus. Jesus was the savior.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: You know, the story of a hero always repeats itself.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: It feels like we need one.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: A savior. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So all these private companies
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: are participating, and they'll each do what they do best,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and you bring it all together, and you get the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: best of private enterprise, which runs efficiently, and they'll bring
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: the cost down.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: But if they have a damn Jenny's ice cream on
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: the moon or whatever, I'm going to fucking... Why you
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: got a problem with that?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: In our town where I live at, they took a
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: lot of the... like mom and pop stuff and they
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: put in the bigger stuff. It's okay.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, you want, okay. Well, if it's a frontier, maybe
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: mom and pops will be the ones who do it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. That's a good point.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It usually starts that way.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: That's true, right?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Right, because it's not a big enough industry yet for
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the big companies to buy everybody out.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And I joke about this, you know, on the moon,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: if they have, they want to have a colony on
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the moon, have restaurants, right? But you have to cook
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: a little differently because the gravity is different and the
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: air is, you know, Yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: You have that whole chapter on gravity and... Yes, yes,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: a whole thing.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: A whole thing. But here's my bad dad joke. Okay.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: But you have to promise to laugh. Okay. That wasn't
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: very confident. That was like, really?
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: No, I got you. Okay.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I got you, son.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: You got my back on this one?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir. So restaurants on the moon would surely have
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: an interesting menu. They just won't have any atmosphere.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Is that an authentic laugh?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty good. Okay. Yeah. I'll tell
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: that to someone.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Okay. Restaurant with no atmosphere. Yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I'll tell that to someone.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: So a lot of what Elon Musk, you know, people,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you know, he's, sometimes he goes off the rails and
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: off the chain, but. I think he.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Literally goes off the rails. sometimes.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: What he has done through his efforts is reduce the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: cost of access to space. And that enables whole industries
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to jump in and play.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: How has he done that?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Well, so for one, he's reusing his rockets. Okay. He
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: has boosters that go up. and he leaves a little
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: bit of extra fuel in the booster, and then the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: computers take over, and the boosters fall back to Earth,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and they land on pads.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Damn, they gonna hit a shrimp boat down there.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Well, actually, so depending on the trajectory, they'll either come
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: all the way back to Cape Canaveral, or they have
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: a landing pad out in the ocean, and they'll land
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: on the landing pad.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, they gonna miss that bit. They're going to miss that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: That'll be bad.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm telling you, you know how many shrimp
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: boats are going to be out there suddenly? You know
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: how many new LLCs are going to be forming in Louisiana?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: People waiting.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: They want to be hit by, they want, no.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, waiting for that booster to hit them, bro. Waiting
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: for that rocket, bro.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: It's gorgeous. It comes down, and then the legs come out,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and then it sticks the landing.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, Larry got hit by that rocket, huh? Larry got
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: hit by that rocket.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So think about it. If you flew to Europe, and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: every time you did that, they pushed the plane off
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: a cliff and rolled out a new one, your ticket
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: would be very expensive.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: But they reused the planes. And if you reuse the rockets,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: that's one way to cut it down, among others that
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: they're working on.