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The Mind of a Champion: Dakillaking on Mindset, Faith and Fighting for Greatness · King Dems Podcast | Growth Mindset, Leadership, AI and Business Insights

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  If you, if you feel like you, you run my mind.
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  You run my mind. If you have any hopes, if you
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  have any hopes on doing anything, do not compete against
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  the killer King because it will kill your dream.
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  It will kill your dream. So if you if you thinking of for
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  example, getting a third belt, don't try and do that against
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  the killer King because in game over.
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  Already you know what anybody, whoever thinks of fighting you,
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  even in their dreams, they should wake up and come
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  apologise. Because.
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  Because that dream is dead on arrival.
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  But I I like to put, I like to put MMA guys on the sport.
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  Of course, I feel like the top three skills, you know, we talk
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  about the mindset. And let's talk about the skill
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  sets. Before we dive back into today's
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  We're live ladies and gentlemen you once again welcome to the
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  Kingdom sparkers live from the Riverside studio in London
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  England back welcome introducing first fighting out of the blue
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  corner my Co host Noela, the best sales expert on earth can
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  our wonderful guests fighting out of the reckoner.
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  He's a mixed martial artist with a professional record of 26 wins
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  and 11 losses. Fighting out of Freud in England
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  by way of Abigerne Cote d'Ivoire make welcome the.
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  Killer King. How are you, Alex?
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  Hello. Hello.
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  Yeah, I'm doing good. I'm doing great.
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  I'm excited for this fight coming up.
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  Yeah. I can't wait to be there.
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  OK brother, we appreciate you. We appreciate your body of work,
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  and of course, we have a special introduction for you.
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  So sit back, relax while we'll give you your flowers.
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  So, Champions, today we're joined by a true warrior, a man
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  whose name commands respect across global combat stages.
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  Alex the killer. King Lahore is not just a French
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  Lahore. Lahore.
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  Wow, I'm not French. He at the end we didn't like him
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  on the E French people. Excuse my French, Lahore.
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  Sorry Sir. You know he's a symbol of
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  discipline, resilience and evolution.
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  Born in France, raised in the UK and representing Africa Will
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  Bride, Alex's beauty of career that reflects fuel greets from
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  his early days in MMA to becoming one of Brave CF's most
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  respected fighters. With our professional record of
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  26 wins and 11 losses, and a Johnny filled with lessons about
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  belief, purpose and mindset has He steps into the Brave CF100
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  main card in Bahrain this November, representing the
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  continent on one of the biggest global stages in combat sports.
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  We'll dive deep into his story, the battles inside and outside
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  the cage, and what it truly means to leave for the heart of
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  a King. Alex Lahore, right?
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  Walk up to the king of broadcast.
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  Brother, brother Let. Me, let me, let me, let me.
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  Let's take French classes now. Yeah, it's.
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  Lahore. Lahore, right?
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  Lahore, right? Wow.
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  Wow. Is it Bono, Primitina or
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  Bonsoir? Bonsoir.
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  Yeah, Bonsoir, Monsieur. Monsieur Alex Lahore.
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  I haven't taken French in forever.
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  Wow. So Bonsoir, Monsieur Alex
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  Lahore, let us start from the beginning.
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  When did you journey as the Killer King truly begin and what
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  has actually inspired you to step into Timber Sports?
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  You know what literally coming into MMA was literally just by
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  luck. One of my friend saw a new club
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  opening in in the area and he was like he was bothering me to
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  go with him all the time. I don't know, I wasn't really
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  feeling it, but I went with him one time and never looked back.
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  I just enjoyed it. And yeah, I literally quit my
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  job and just started doing that full time.
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  I just find I found like peace and freedom in in the sport, you
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  know? So I just thought, yeah, let me
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  just do that. So you did not choose much arts,
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  Much arts chose you. Exactly, Yeah.
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  Interesting. Wow, that's amazing.
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  Yeah, we're actually talking earlier.
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  We're mentioning to each other before this call how the most
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  aligned experiences, sometimes they come randomly or they come
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  by luck. So that's actually amazing.
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  It's kind of the same situation. You didn't know.
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  There was no way you could have seen that that was going to be
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  such a massive part of your life.
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  You just kind of fell into it. It sounds we know that you
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  represent multiple nations right now, France, the UK, Africa.
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  How does that? Free nation, not multiple Free
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  nation we've got. Free multiple.
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  We've got, we've got to be Well, yeah, we've got to be precise,
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  OK. Because they're not any, because
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  they're not any nation. They're not any nation.
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  They're. Bro, you know, you represent
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  Nigeria as well. You represent Nigeria as well.
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  I was born. I was born in France.
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  Let me raise the flag. Let me raise the flag, brother.
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  You represent us as well bro. Yeah, yeah.
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  And then obviously I, I, I, I am originally from the Ivory Coast.
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  My parents are from the Ivory Coast.
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  Obviously they migrated from Ivory Coast to France and then I
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  migrated to the to the UK. So I live in London.
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  I've been living there since 2005.
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  S them free country made me. So like I said, I walked, I
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  walked into a gym in the UK, I wasn't doing no MMA when I was
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  in France. My background in Ivory Coast
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  gave me my physical abilities. So yeah, the whole 3 made the
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  Killer King, you know? So that's why I have to
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  represent the three countries. But yeah, we also represent
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  Africa. We represent Palestine.
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  You know, we about, we about the, the, the, you know, the
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  real people, the good people. We want peace on, on, on earth.
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  We want, you know, good people, happiness and just evolution
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  moving forward. It sounds like.
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  You've proved us correct. You've proved us correct.
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  It sounds like peace is one of the main themes that you've
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  taken from being part of so many different cultures.
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  Has there been any other identities or any other mindsets
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  that have really sat in that you think have been because of
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  you're from several different nations, so you represent so
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  many different types of people? Yeah, obviously me being from
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  three different, you know, background has made me
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  understand people a lot. You know, different cultures,
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  different way of talking, different way of communicating.
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  You can say certain things in certain places and they would
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  not take it the same as a different place.
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  So yeah, me travelling and being in, well, every day, I'm always
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  either speaking French or speaking English.
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  So it's like I've learned to kind of be in the middle and
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  understand people more. So yeah.
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  Wow, French Monsieur. Monsieur, I'd love for you to
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  teach us something in French, but before you.
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  Useful in me. Yeah, I am the best.
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  Well, I love that. I love that.
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  So you are the best in combat sports.
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  We are the best at podcasted. So take it or just take it or
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  you take it. So you know Max Holloway in the
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  UFC, say something. In order to be the best, you
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  have to be to the best and the best is blessed.
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  So what has been the biggest challenge early on on your
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  journey to becoming the best? You know, you're faced with self
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  doubt. You know your environment, you
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  know discipline that is required to stay consistent.
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  But for you on your own journey, what has been the biggest
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  challenge on that journey to becoming the best?
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  Just to be fair, biggest challenge was consistency, man.
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  Being able to stay consistent. Obviously being able to find
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  yourself while being consistent. Yeah, actually doing it, that
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  was the hardest thing right now for me.
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  It's more of a lifestyle now but at the start it was really
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  difficult. I had to work and train and you
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  know it was, it was very difficult at the start.
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  Now it's more of a lifestyle. I coach, I, I obviously I
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  trained myself and I obviously compete.
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  So it's all, it's all in one, it's all together, it's all I do
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  and I'm enjoying it. That's awesome.
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  So I know you self trained and you're self-made and you really
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  have to find. AI have a team.
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  I have people that are trained with.
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  I have guys that I work with, but obviously everyone's got the
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  part. So I've got someone for the
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  striking, I've got someone for the wrestling, I've got someone
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  for the jiu jitsu, I've got someone for the conditioning,
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  I've got someone for like the massage, fitness or steel
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  physio. So I've got a team, but I chose
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  the team which put them all together.
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  When you were first starting out kind of first building that
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  team, maybe it was just you and a trainer or you just by
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  yourself in a gym. Did you have a defining moment
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  where you thought, I can actually do this, I can actually
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  do this for real. I can do this professionally.
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  I can build that team. I can do that.
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  Yeah, yeah. So from the start, when I first
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  started, obviously I was, I went to the local gym that said my
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  friend, you know, took me. So it was a team.
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  So there was loads of people training there and stuff.
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  And then after maybe a year, well after, sorry, after 2-3
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  months, they asked me if I wanted to compete on an amateur
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  show as I obviously I said yes and I competed and you know, I
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  saw like how it works, obviously the fighting, the ticket sales,
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  the crowd and I just, yeah, I just thought there's a big
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  potential in this, not just in fighting, but in everything
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  else. At the time it wasn't legal in
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  France. That's why I saw that straight
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  away that obviously in France is not legal.
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  And I know they will be legalising it over there.
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  So if I get onto it now, I'll be a step ahead from from everyone
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  over there. So which is obviously happened,
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  but now the difference is because I've started in the UK,
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  the people in France, they don't know me and they, you know,
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  they're always disrespecting me and, you know, talking about my
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  losses and not actually, you know, considering what I've
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  done, what I've achieved, you know, on like, like, like we
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  said, with a, with a small team, with a small, small circle, for
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  example, if I didn't, they're calling him a legend already.
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  I don't, I don't think he's done as much as what I've done is he
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  doesn't have as many fights that have as many fighters I've got
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  in. I think I've fought in bigger
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  organisations, the name, more organisation, the name.
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  I think I fought for titles more than him.
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  So yeah, I should be called a legend too.
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  But the only thing that separates us is obviously he's
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  41 and I'm 35, obviously 36 soon.
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  So yeah, that's the only thing that separate, separate us
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  really is obviously the age and obviously the technical
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  abilities. I think my technical abilities
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  are way more rounded. I'm comfortable in more area
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  than he is. We're going by from what we've
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  seen online and through his fights.
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  And yeah, we're we're happy, we're confident, and we're
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  looking forward to it. Oh, you were actually about to
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  test it. And to, to, to be honest, in
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  MMA, a record of 26 and 11 is super impressive.
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  You've got more wins than losses, even if your losses are
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  multiplied by two. So we, we see the likes of
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  Charles Olivera, for example, he's a legend.
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  And of course he he's got a lot of losses under the belt.
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  The losses actually are not just losses, they're lessons, right?
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  Yeah, the lessons and people, people are very faecal minded.
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  I have trained combat sports and I know why I did not GoPro
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  right. So I have a very big respect for
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  humans like yourself who are brave enough to you to this.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's.
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  Not it's a life choice. You know, you've got to put your
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  life into it to get to that, to that top level, otherwise you
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  won't be able to do it. It's hard work.
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  Every day is, yeah, ups and downs, injuries, sometimes not
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  being able to do certain things. And obviously sometimes you want
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  to fight, but you can't get a fight.
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  Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot for the mind, for the
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  body, for the soul. It's I just love the whole, the
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  whole, the whole martial arts, the whole MMA kind of, you know,
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  the, the lifestyle it replicates, it replicates real
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  life a lot. You know, there's so many,
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  there's so many things from yeah, so there's so many things
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  from MMA that you can take and use in your everyday life, you
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  know, throughout the training. Absolutely.
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  You know, I, I love the fact that you, you speak about
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  mindsets, right? And when you look at the title
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  of this podcast, it's called the Kingdom's podcast, Growth
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  mindset, leadership, AI and business insights.
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  That is what we are about and the philosophy that will hold
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  very dearly on this broadcasters mindset skill set, tool set,
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  right? And we know, thank you very much
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  Sir, that we, we know that MMA is a physical game or what a lot
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  of people do not realise is it's a festival, the mental game,
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  right? And your nickname, the Killer
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  King, it carries a lot of power, but what does it really mean to
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  you? Like, what does it really mean?
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  Is it about the dominance, the mindset, or something deeper?
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  The Killer King is just a fight, a fight name really is how I
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  approach my fight. So that's my persona as a
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  fighter. So when when I come into
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  competition into my Killer King persona, it's destruction.
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  It's obviously with runner and control.
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  As you can see on my Instagram, I call myself the king of
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  control violence. We do the violence at the
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  highest level in every department, you know, wrestling,
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  jujitsu and striking. So that's the if you.
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  If you feel like you, you run my mind.
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  You run my mind. If you have any hopes, if you
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  have any hopes on doing anything, do not compete against
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  the killer King because it will kill your dream.
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  It will kill your dream. So if you if you thinking of for
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  example, getting a third belt, don't try and do that against
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  the killer King because in game over already.
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  You know what, anybody whoever thinks of fighting you, even in
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  their dreams, they should wake up and come apologise.
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  Because. Because that dream is dead on
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  arrival. But I, I like to put, I like to
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  put MMA guys on the sport. Of course, I feel like the top
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  three skills, you know, we talk about the mindset and let's talk
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  about the skill set. The top three skills you require
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  for success in MMA, in my opinion, are wrestling at the
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  grappling wishes, jiu jitsu and striking.
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  I feel like the best form of striking is Muay Thai.
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  Yeah. What's your what's your opinion?
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  Yeah. What's like the top three in in?
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  Your Yeah, that's what I do. That's my favourite.
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  Muay Thai is my favourite out of all the arts.
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  I like the violence of it. Elbows, knees, high kicks and.
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  The art of the atriums. The art of the atriums.
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  I'll give it over to my Co host. Yeah, that's my, that's my my
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  favourite. But yeah, for me, I feel like if
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  you do an MMA, you should have a good healthy Muay Thai or boxing
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  is OK. But if you have a good Muay
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  Thai, you're good. If you have a good wrestling
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  offence or defence or both, you're good.
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  And if you have a good jiu jitsu, you're also good.
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  But the main, main, main thing I feel is the conditioning,
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  because if you're tired, all your your skills goes away.
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  So yeah, that's that's the the hardest bit I would say for in
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  MMA is the fitness, you know, being able people don't people
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  don't really feel it or understand it because you have
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  to do it to feel it. Because people don't realise how
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  much energy takes to go from striking into grabbing someone
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  and then into, back into striking and then into takedown
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  and then into jiu jitsu and then back into that's crazy like
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  cardio, like battle of energy, you know?
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  So yeah, it's important for me to mention that that
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  conditioning for me is the number one thing to to, to make
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  sure you have, you know. Well appreciated.
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  So it sounds like anyone who gets into the ring with you,
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  anyone who's around you should turn around and just go back
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  home, right? It sounds like you're
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  definitely. A winner if.
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  You're a killer. If you're on the wrong side, if
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  you're on a good side, you're OK, you can roll.
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  But if you're on the wrong side, then yeah, it's difficult.
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  And it was obviously, obviously it's a road to get there and
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  you've had to face some sort of loss at some point.
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  Even if you are in a phase of being an absolute monster
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  killer, someone that no one should ever come close to.
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  How do you usually or how did you mentally reset after a loss
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  in order to get to the point of being a consistent winner like
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  you are? So dealing with a loss is first
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  of all you've got as an athlete, you've got to understand that
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  you can't win them all and losing is part of the sport.
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  Obviously we want, we all want to win them all.
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  There's guys that win them all and beating like Jon Jones for
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  example. But I have one in a million, you
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  know. So from the losses what I did
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  was obviously look at the mistake I made and then went
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  back into training. They just motivated me.
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  They motivated me to do better, to carry on, to be consistent.
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  And also the main motivation is the haters.
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  When you get the haters costing you every day, then you use that
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  to go back to training and to get even stronger and better so
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  next time you can shut the haters up.
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  So yeah, you've got to use everything that's around you to
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  become the best version of yourself.
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  I. Love that.
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  That's amazing, yeah. Yeah.
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  Do you have any type of faith or spirituality that plays in your
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  journey or anything you do before you step into a fight
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  that you go through at all? That's my everyday thing.
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  That's my number one thing. I am a Muslim man for I I, I
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  follow Islam, so that's number one for me.
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  Without, like we say, without God, we wouldn't have been here
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  Is everything is from God that he's like I said, I'd never, if
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  you ask me or like when I was maybe 10 or 11 was you going to
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  do, are you going to do MMA when you get older?
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  I would have never chose MMA. I would have said football or I
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  would have said, yeah, I was mostly said football, never
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  thinking about boxing or kickboxing or MMA or anything
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  like that. So yeah, the journey, I just
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  take it as you come, my whole life has been that, you know, my
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  life has been so different than most of the people in the world.
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  Obviously I'm a lonely child, so I don't have no siblings, Big
• 23:14
  Brothers or little sisters or little.
• 23:17
  Yeah, I've got, but I've got a big family.
• 23:19
  I've got a big family, loads of cousins.
• 23:21
  I've got step brothers though, on my dad's side.
• 23:25
  They were in Africa. No, no, some of them are in
• 23:28
  France as well and in the UK. But yeah, done everything, you
• 23:34
  know, with the power of God. The reason why I'm still here
• 23:37
  today is because of God. He has a plan for me.
• 23:40
  I don't know what the plan is, but I'm just driving and keep
• 23:44
  going forward. That's it.
• 23:48
  That's awesome. That's awesome.
• 23:50
  I think AI is going to talk about maybe some daily
• 23:53
  excellence and some things that you do every day just to remain
• 23:58
  as excellent as you are. So go ahead, AI.
• 24:04
  Brother Salaam Alaikum. Alaikum Salaam.
• 24:08
  It's, it's, it's, it's great that you're a person of faith.
• 24:11
  I'm a Christian, but I also, you know, very much respect the, the
• 24:15
  Islamic faith. I've read the whole of my own
• 24:18
  faith scriptures and of course I've read on, you know, some
• 24:21
  parts of the Quran and I understand like the whole 5
• 24:24
  pillars of Islam, you know? From the.
• 24:26
  Hajj to the Salah to, you know, even the arms given, which is a
• 24:32
  cut, right? And of course, confession of
• 24:35
  faith. What do you call it again?
• 24:39
  I've forgotten technical names. And of course that I think that
• 24:42
  the very last one is you have the pilgrimage as well.
• 24:46
  It is wonderful to see, you know, Christians and Muslims
• 24:51
  come together and understand that there's only one God and
• 24:57
  believe in the higher power and the higher purpose, right?
• 25:00
  So very much respect to you. And of course, you know, you
• 25:03
  were talking about God's plan for your life, that there's a
• 25:06
  part of the Bible that says his plans for us out of good and not
• 25:10
  of evil and to give unto us unexpected.
• 25:13
  And you know, so brother, God has great plans for you and we
• 25:16
  actually wish you, you know, very, very well and of course
• 25:19
  wish you success in like all of your future endeavours, you
• 25:22
  know, and Speaking of excellent, Thank you.
• 25:26
  You're welcome. I've only said it on this
• 25:28
  podcast that people don't relate to perfection.
• 25:33
  They relate to excellence. And it's really beautiful that
• 25:36
  you are a person of excellence and not just a person of
• 25:40
  excellence. You are authentic.
• 25:42
  You're you're unfiltered. You're Roy.
• 25:43
  You are who you are and unapologetic about who you are,
• 25:48
  you know? Yeah, but that's a big problem.
• 25:50
  People don't like it. That that is your problem.
• 25:53
  That is your problem. Even though what I've done is
• 25:56
  incredible. Brother, I'll, I'll tell you
• 25:59
  this, I'll tell you this, right? Take it, take a £50 note, right?
• 26:03
  Take a £50 note, put it on the ground, step on it, put it in a
• 26:07
  mud, rumble it or take it to the shop.
• 26:11
  That £50 note will buy the same thing that a creased £50 note
• 26:15
  will buy, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 26:17
  Good, so you are that £50 note that has been, you know, robbed
• 26:21
  boy. It doesn't tarnish your value.
• 26:23
  Yeah, exactly. Determined by what people say.
• 26:25
  Your value is determined by what God says.
• 26:29
  I mean. You get it.
• 26:31
  So you know the the fight game actually determined.
• 26:34
  It demands like a mix of fear and focus.
• 26:37
  Or how do you channel both when you walk out to face another
• 26:42
  warrior? Because this is not an untrained
• 26:44
  person. You're fighting another warrior
• 26:47
  and like how to you stay motivated, you know, with that
• 26:52
  hunger for excellence. And I also like for you to weave
• 26:56
  in, you know, as a Big Brother guy or you are a veteran, you
• 26:59
  are a legend. And I love for you to provide
• 27:01
  advice to, you know, the young generation of athletes as well.
• 27:06
  Yeah, I'm, I'm literally very up for that.
• 27:10
  That's what I said. When I finish my career, I will
• 27:13
  definitely still be in the martial arts, obviously
• 27:17
  managing, coaching and doing a whole lot as obviously sharing
• 27:21
  my knowledge to the younger generation.
• 27:24
  Yeah, just passing on the words. I've got my son who's three
• 27:27
  years old. He's going to be 4 on Fight
• 27:30
  Night so. Happy birthday.
• 27:32
  Friends, he's already he's already training and he's
• 27:36
  enjoying it and The thing is that I didn't even make him
• 27:40
  right. Literally, I just, I just
• 27:42
  obviously I'd take him to training with me sometimes and
• 27:45
  and a lot I'd take him with me and yeah, it's just a natural.
• 27:51
  It's just a natural. He enjoys it and you know, I
• 27:54
  don't even force him to do it. So yeah, again.
• 27:59
  The power of Ethan by example. Yeah, exactly.
• 28:02
  The the God's God's will, man. I didn't, I didn't really, you
• 28:07
  know, make him want to fight or train.
• 28:12
  Interesting stuff. You said God's will.
• 28:14
  There's something you guys say in Islam, Mashallah, meaning God
• 28:17
  has, God has wielded. So if God has wielded for your
• 28:20
  son to be a fighter, I guess he definitely will find that
• 28:24
  calling. And as a veteran fighter, like,
• 28:27
  how has your training philosophy evolved over the years?
• 28:35
  Say that again, sorry. OK, I said there's something you
• 28:40
  guys say in in Islam, right Mashallah and Mashallah means
• 28:43
  God has God has wield it. So how has it changed over the
• 28:47
  years? So really I've always been like,
• 28:51
  I've always been training smart, like literally using the word as
• 28:57
  it sound, as it, as it what it means, you know, training.
• 29:00
  So for me, it's always been training.
• 29:03
  Even when I go into the gym, I'm training, I'm not competing with
• 29:07
  my my training partner. And that's one thing that most
• 29:11
  of the fighters don't do. They compete with each other in
• 29:16
  the gym when really there should be training in the gym, which
• 29:20
  mean learning new skill, understanding what you're doing,
• 29:25
  comprehending what works, what don't works, what don't work.
• 29:29
  Sorry. And yeah, the whole thing.
• 29:32
  So the whole aspect of what we're doing, so the whole aspect
• 29:36
  of fighting so and there's so much things.
• 29:40
  So I don't that's why I sometimes I don't get when I see
• 29:45
  people coming into MMA and then after three years they're in the
• 29:49
  UFC and then they get black belt and I'm like, what we talking
• 29:52
  about? I've been doing this for 10
• 29:55
  years. This guy definitely if you put
• 29:56
  this guy in front of me, he's not a black belt.
• 30:00
  You know, like there's so much things, but everything is
• 30:04
  changed now. Martial art is a little bit,
• 30:08
  I'll say the real roots of martial arts are a little bit
• 30:11
  dying due to the social media stuff, money.
• 30:15
  Everyone wants to be like, you know, like I said, people are
• 30:20
  not black belt level and they're getting given black belt level.
• 30:24
  You know, they're getting given black belts and stuff like that
• 30:27
  just because of their name or where they compete, not because
• 30:32
  of the art. So yeah, it's something that I'm
• 30:36
  not involved in. You know, I like the real roots.
• 30:39
  That's why I've been doing jiu jitsu for over maybe I think 10
• 30:44
  years now. And I literally just got my
• 30:46
  brand belt the other day. Why?
• 30:48
  Because I don't put the gear enough for me to feel like I'm a
• 30:53
  black belt. You need to be able to use the
• 30:55
  gear to comprehend the gear properly.
• 30:58
  Most of the guys who have a black belt in MMA, if you put
• 31:01
  them in the gear, they don't know what to do.
• 31:05
  So yeah, for me, I try. I like to keep things real.
• 31:09
  So regarding my training, the way I train is I make sure that
• 31:14
  every day when I leave the gym I've learned something new or
• 31:18
  I've improved on something that I wasn't, you know, good at
• 31:22
  before. Or I always go in with not all,
• 31:26
  but I always go in with a plan of training for the day.
• 31:30
  And for our audience who might not know, I know you say they
• 31:34
  don't know what or they don't have proper practise of the Gee,
• 31:37
  what does that mean? The.
• 31:40
  Gee and no Gee. Yeah, I was, I was.
• 31:42
  I was going to touch on that before you talk about it.
• 31:45
  I'm the bachelor artist here, you know, between me and my Co
• 31:48
  host and I'm going to put you on the sport, right?
• 31:51
  So Gee and no Gee jiu jitsu, right.
• 31:54
  The Gee is like that white coat. That looks like a oh, OK, OK,
• 31:58
  OK. Fight it.
• 32:00
  And kimono, yeah, yeah, that that kimono just so that the
• 32:05
  name man understands, right. And traditionally you'd need to
• 32:09
  get the ghee that's the traditional jiu jitsu.
• 32:13
  But you also have the non traditional jiu jitsu, which is
• 32:16
  the no ghee, right? And no ghee, for example, what
• 32:19
  you have with GFCBJJ that is going on right now, right?
• 32:22
  And The thing is, no key competitions have actually come
• 32:26
  to stay right, even though that is not the traditional.
• 32:30
  So are you like against the new school in which you have black
• 32:36
  belts in Noogi And of course, you still have the black belts,
• 32:39
  the ghee black belts. So I'll, I'll love for you to
• 32:43
  differentiate and of course talk about it, speak to it.
• 32:46
  Yeah. So I feel like obviously the
• 32:49
  Noogi is the the different game. It's so there's so much that you
• 32:55
  can do in the nogi because there's not the grabbing.
• 32:59
  So the body is free. It's all about yourself if you
• 33:03
  are. Sorry to interrupt you.
• 33:05
  Sorry to interrupt you but I I feel like the Nogi 1 is what is
• 33:09
  more applicable in MMA. The crash yeah, yeah of.
• 33:12
  Course. Well, you don't.
• 33:14
  You're not of. Course.
• 33:16
  Yeah, of course the nogi is is much better for the for MMA.
• 33:20
  But for understanding the basic, understanding what you're doing
• 33:24
  and understanding what jiu jitsu is, you have to put the ghee on.
• 33:27
  You have to comprehend what jiu jitsu is by putting the ghee on.
• 33:32
  Obviously no ghee Jiu jitsu is more for obviously MMA and you
• 33:39
  know, to be a bit loose. It's a different style, like I
• 33:42
  said, with without the without the ghee, it's more of a
• 33:47
  personal thing where if you're more flexible, if you're faster,
• 33:53
  if you're, you know, I don't know.
• 33:55
  Yeah, like that's a more flexible, faster, better gene.
• 33:59
  You can always. Find basically.
• 34:01
  Yeah, you can always find a way out.
• 34:03
  But with jiu jitsu is 100% technical.
• 34:07
  You can be strong, you can be, you can be flexible, you can be
• 34:11
  whatever. But the GI always stays the
• 34:13
  same, the grips are always the same.
• 34:15
  So if you don't understand what grip to do at the right time,
• 34:19
  when to move, what to move, what to block, what to not block,
• 34:23
  then you're not going anywhere. You can be the strongest person
• 34:26
  you want. If you don't have the right
• 34:28
  skill, there's nothing you can do.
• 34:30
  But in in nogi, you can everything.
• 34:34
  You can explode out. You can find a way out.
• 34:36
  If you're flexible, you can get your legs over.
• 34:38
  There's so much you can do. So yeah, that that's how I see
• 34:43
  it. For me, it's it's just
• 34:45
  different. And This is why even more I
• 34:49
  don't understand when people are getting given a black belt and
• 34:54
  you never wear the gear. So you're going to, you don't
• 34:56
  wear the gear, but then you're going to get a black belt and no
• 34:59
  gear. It's crazy because no GI's got
• 35:02
  so much more than GI, you know? So like for me it's just, yeah,
• 35:07
  so I don't get it. But everyone is allowed to do
• 35:09
  whatever they want. And this is my mindset.
• 35:11
  This is how I see things. Obviously I've been in a game
• 35:15
  from a long time now, consistent as well.
• 35:19
  So yeah, I feel like I'm allowed to, you know, put out an advice
• 35:23
  from someone that's been in the game for that long.
• 35:27
  So walk us through like your perfect fight camp, like what it
• 35:33
  looks like when you're leading up to a major event.
• 35:37
  Perfect fight Camden Never exist.
• 35:39
  Me that don't exist. There's always something.
• 35:42
  The life of a fighter. You always have a little niggo,
• 35:45
  you always have a little thing. You've got stuff outside of
• 35:49
  fighting that's made that might be bothering you.
• 35:51
  Life of a fighter and a training camp.
• 35:54
  It's yeah, it's something, it's a battle.
• 35:57
  It's a fight in itself. That's why it's such a good
• 36:01
  relief. Once you've jumped on the scale
• 36:04
  and made weight and you know that it's Fight Night tomorrow.
• 36:07
  It's like finally all the hard work, everything, sacrifice
• 36:12
  dieting, all that stuff that's done now and just go and join
• 36:15
  the fight now. Right.
• 36:17
  So the training itself doesn't really matter because at some
• 36:21
  point there's going to be some factor either inside of the
• 36:24
  training or outside of the training that's going to throw
• 36:26
  you off anyway and you just have to deal with it.
• 36:30
  Yeah. It's really just about getting
• 36:33
  the training done. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:35
  Yeah, it's all about training, the training, getting the
• 36:37
  training done, obviously accordingly to your opponent.
• 36:40
  Yeah, that's it. Just keep turning up.
• 36:43
  Work that game plan that you have with your team and then
• 36:47
  just, yeah, just go and put it in place on Fight Night.
• 36:52
  It's easier said than done, but yeah, it's all about that
• 36:55
  consistency and that hard work. Show up and show out, right?
• 37:01
  So like, how do you balance the mental aspects and you know, the
• 37:04
  physical conditioning? So balancing the mental and the
• 37:09
  physical, that's that's, that's the difficult part.
• 37:15
  But I feel like it's important to talk to yourself.
• 37:19
  It's important to get advice from people who are where you
• 37:25
  want to be. It's important to have a good
• 37:27
  team around. And yeah, I think that's, yeah,
• 37:33
  that's the only for me. What gets me going is actually
• 37:38
  doing what's need to be done. If you know you've trained your
• 37:43
  hardest at the best you can do, there's nothing else we can do.
• 37:49
  So doubtful give you that confidence to not, you know,
• 37:52
  doubt yourself because you gave it all you couldn't have done
• 37:56
  anymore. So for me that that that's what
• 37:59
  gets my mind going. So what's your most underrated
• 38:07
  skill that separates good fighters from great ones?
• 38:11
  Or you know, a loser to you like what's the one skill or like
• 38:17
  what's a secret sauce that maybe you have or the greatest
• 38:21
  fighters have that separates you?
• 38:24
  What separate the greatest fighters like me and you know,
• 38:28
  the rest of the great ones is that we have a natural fighting
• 38:32
  instinct. So we do things without knowing,
• 38:36
  but it's the right thing. You know, there's people who do
• 38:39
  things instantly and then, Oh no, that was the wrong move to
• 38:42
  go for us. It's automatically the right
• 38:45
  thing. It's it's something that, you
• 38:48
  know, like we was talking about earlier, it's a God-given
• 38:51
  ability. I don't, I never decided to be
• 38:53
  like that. I can't even train that.
• 38:55
  All I can do is just train what I know and just repeat it and
• 38:59
  just hope he comes out in the fight.
• 39:03
  What do you call that fight IQ? Because, you know, in the MMA
• 39:06
  circle, there's a lot of talk about.
• 39:08
  No, it's not the same. It's not the same as Fight IQ.
• 39:13
  Fight IQ is something totally different.
• 39:15
  Fight IQ is understanding what to do in the fight.
• 39:20
  What I was talking about is fighting instant when your body
• 39:24
  just reacts automatically to save you.
• 39:28
  So yeah, don't you? Think that that that closely
• 39:32
  linked because you talk about. Are there two different things
• 39:36
  because. I, I, I'm separating the fight
• 39:38
  and IQ, right? When you talk about IQ
• 39:41
  naturally, OK, intellectual caution, right?
• 39:44
  You see that there are people who become good drivers even
• 39:48
  without going to driving school. They work with that instinct.
• 39:51
  There are people who are. Going out.
• 39:53
  So that's what I'm saying. Yeah.
• 39:55
  So that's what I'm saying. There's people who can be in the
• 39:57
  gym and train and do, but then when it comes to Fight Night,
• 40:01
  they fight. They don't have the natural Ike,
• 40:04
  but they're the best in the gym, you know?
• 40:06
  And there's guys who are not the best in the gym, they get beaten
• 40:10
  up, but when they go into the fight it's like, oh, something
• 40:13
  else. Because now it's like live or
• 40:15
  die. So something else comes up.
• 40:18
  That's what you. Think, I think that that has to
• 40:20
  do with fear. I think so.
• 40:24
  Most probably fear or just the will.
• 40:28
  I'll say fear and the will to win also Yeah.
• 40:34
  Or will to not get beaten up? Right.
• 40:37
  Yeah. That, that, that's great.
• 40:40
  That that's crazy. You know, we've had some guys
• 40:44
  come from do our promotions into the UFC lately.
• 40:48
  Case in point, patchy mix, I don't like what has happened
• 40:52
  with the likes of patchy mix and was the other guy Patricia or
• 40:57
  people? So it's fighting, but you go
• 41:01
  step up into a bigger promotion and it feels like you're
• 41:04
  freezing. So what you talking about about
• 41:07
  guys who are very good in the team who are naturally good, not
• 41:10
  going out on Fight Night and freezing.
• 41:14
  And you know, my Co host talked about the fear.
• 41:17
  So I I think the fear factor is also a thing, But what do you
• 41:21
  think is actually beautiful to these recent, you know, step UPS
• 41:25
  from PFL Bellator guys going to the UFC and not being the
• 41:30
  killers that we used to know them as from like the lower
• 41:33
  promotions when they were fighting because they still ever
• 41:36
  made you fighting. Yeah.
• 41:39
  So what what would you attribute to that to?
• 41:42
  Is it also like the fear factor or maybe they've been
• 41:45
  overwhelmed by stepping up to like a bigger promotion?
• 41:49
  For me, I would love to to, yeah, to carry on.
• 41:53
  You're asking if I'm if I want to if I like to go to a bigger
• 41:56
  promotion? No.
• 41:57
  No, no, I'm saying that these guys, we've seen these guys come
• 42:01
  in from Bellator BFL right into the BFC, right, in recent times
• 42:05
  and not putting in good performances, right?
• 42:08
  So what happens? You know, as a fighter, you have
• 42:11
  that mentality of the fighter, you have that killer mentality,
• 42:14
  right? And we saw these guys, they were
• 42:16
  killers from Bellator, from PFL, but step into the AFC is a big
• 42:20
  step up and it's like they freeze and they are not able to
• 42:24
  replicate those performances. We've seen you from Cage
• 42:26
  Warriors, you know, come to grave and you're still
• 42:29
  performing. But what happens when these guys
• 42:31
  change promotions and they're not able to replicate that level
• 42:34
  of excellence they used to showcase?
• 42:36
  It's just the, it's just the level of, it's just the level of
• 42:39
  fighters in the show really. You know, you can come from, for
• 42:43
  example, the level of fighters on obviously Kedrus.
• 42:45
  I haven't fought on Kedrus since maybe 2018.
• 42:48
  I was on Octagon before coming to Brave, so yeah, it's that's
• 42:54
  what that's what sometimes you're in, you're in an
• 42:58
  organisation and you're at the top of the organisation.
• 43:01
  You're one of the best fighters and you go to another
• 43:03
  organisation. And then there's the level of
• 43:06
  fighting is different. You got guys from different
• 43:09
  places and yeah, you might not feel yourself there and it's
• 43:14
  part of the game. You can you just go, yeah, adapt
• 43:18
  yourself and just know what's what you're good at and what
• 43:22
  you're not good at and where you can go and just be real with
• 43:25
  yourself, really. Interesting, so I'll give it
• 43:30
  over to you the my Co host to quiz your what what she bigs
• 43:36
  about what I say these common cart.
• 43:41
  It's a very special one. Breathe CF 100.
• 43:44
  That's a milestone. That is a milestone that you're
• 43:48
  part of it. Obviously this event, it marks a
• 43:54
  very proud moment with not just you, but for African athletes on
• 43:59
  the card. What does this representation
• 44:03
  mean to you personally? So brave.
• 44:08
  CF100 It marks a super proud moment not just with you, but
• 44:13
  four different African African athletes on the card.
• 44:18
  What does that representation mean to you personally, and how
• 44:23
  do you handle the pressure of representing an entire continent
• 44:28
  in front of the entire world? For me, it's not pressure.
• 44:32
  It's what I do. That's what I want to do.
• 44:34
  That's why we're the crown, you know?
• 44:36
  That's why I put it out there. I want to push this sport to my,
• 44:42
  you know, follow country of Ivory Coast.
• 44:45
  So, you know, guys can leave off the sport, you know, just like
• 44:50
  how I leave off the sport and, you know, by using my physical
• 44:55
  ability given by God. So I know I've got loads of
• 44:58
  cousins, step brothers, friends and lots of people who are in
• 45:02
  Africa who have better physical ability than me, but they don't
• 45:07
  have the facility, they don't have, you know, anything for
• 45:12
  them to get to it. So, you know, showing them that
• 45:14
  there's someone from the country who's doing it at the top and
• 45:19
  who also wants to share. It's not a pressure for me, it's
• 45:22
  more like a duty. So it drives me to do it like
• 45:27
  knowing that this is, you know, happening and you know, the
• 45:33
  opportunity is there. It's a motivation.
• 45:36
  It's not a pressure. That's awesome.
• 45:40
  That's so awesome to hear. We're just going to do a quick
• 45:44
  fire around. AI is going to explain that, and
• 45:47
  then we'll wrap it up and let you go.
• 45:49
  I know you have to rest and recover.
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  You got a lot going on. So yeah.
• 45:55
  No pressure makes diamonds, brother.
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  So yeah, I was just. I was going to say.
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  That on the five pressure questions 5 pressure questions
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  quick fire round fun and insightful.
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  So just give the most authentic and quick answer you can keep.
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  Are you ready to? Rumble, let's go.
• 46:14
  Let's go, brother. So the very first question, your
• 46:17
  walk out song before a title fight, what is that going to be?
• 46:22
  I don't have a special workout walkout song, I just choose on
• 46:27
  the moment so I don't know yet. You'll have to see on the night.
• 46:31
  OK, who's the toughest opponent you've ever faced?
• 46:36
  The toughest opponent I've ever faced, I think it was some guy
• 46:41
  called Carlos Vemola, because he was full of everything, every
• 46:46
  possible possible performance, announcement stuff.
• 46:51
  Wow, he was just up, you know, so while.
• 46:54
  You can watch the fight, it's on YouTube.
• 46:57
  OK, he's. David's Carlos Vemola OK, the
• 47:01
  five round title fight, but this guy is like, he doesn't look,
• 47:05
  he's not human. Superhuman.
• 47:09
  I'll I'll, I'll watch it. I'll give a feedback.
• 47:11
  So what's one African dish you cannot live without?
• 47:15
  Of course, the official Ivorian dish, which is called the
• 47:19
  acheke. You know, actually what is it
• 47:23
  made out out of? Cassava.
• 47:26
  Wow. Cassava.
• 47:27
  There is cassava drained up, dried up and then like turned
• 47:32
  into like a couscous kind of thing.
• 47:35
  And we eat that with fish. We eat that with plantain.
• 47:37
  We eat that with grilled chicken and a bit of like spicy stuff.
• 47:42
  It's it's it's a traditional Ivorian food.
• 47:45
  Yeah. We have something like that in
• 47:48
  Nigeria called Gary. Gary Yeah, yeah, it's a bit
• 47:51
  similar, yeah. Cool, cool.
• 47:54
  That sounds really good. What are three words that
• 47:59
  describe your mindset going into Brave?
• 48:01
  CF 103 words. 03 words. I've got more than three, but
• 48:09
  purpose, faith and peace. I love that purpose.
• 48:19
  Favourite. Calm before the storm, calm
• 48:22
  before the storm. I love that.
• 48:24
  And of course, finish the sentence.
• 48:25
  A true champion is on dash. Who shows the example?
• 48:33
  A true champion is the one that shows the example so people can
• 48:37
  look at him and say I want to be a champion like him.
• 48:41
  I love that because there's something I've said on the
• 48:44
  podcast before, what is important is not the example of
• 48:48
  your power or the power of your example.
• 48:51
  And you know, I love that you love to lead by example from me
• 48:55
  and of course my Co host. It's a very, very big thank you
• 48:58
  to you. Of course, when a person shares
• 49:00
  their time with you, they share their life with you.
• 49:02
  And the Sr uniform version in life is time.
• 49:04
  So love and respect to you brother.
• 49:07
  And of course, we wish you the very best in your title fight.
• 49:10
  And of course over to my brilliant and beautiful Co host
• 49:13
  Doyle Arouk. Yeah, I just want to thank you
• 49:16
  for your time and your energy and everything you do just to
• 49:20
  represent all the people like you, the entire all of the
• 49:23
  cultures that you represent, not just representing a man of
• 49:27
  faith, a man of purpose, a man of drive, a man of excellence.
• 49:32
  It just shows the impact that your longevity is going to make
• 49:36
  for generations to generations. When you look at your son and he
• 49:41
  is looking up to you, just know that it's not even obviously not
• 49:45
  just him. It's the ripple effect of your
• 49:49
  greatness, of your strive, of your resilience and of your
• 49:53
  ability to never give up on the purpose that God has over you
• 49:57
  reaches much farther than you can even imagine right now.
• 50:01
  So I just, we're just so happy to have you and I just really
• 50:05
  greatly appreciate your time. Really greatly appreciate
• 50:08
  getting to know you and meeting you and understanding the killer
• 50:12
  and who you actually are. What makes you you.
• 50:14
  Just thank you so much for being here.
• 50:16
  I appreciate it. Thank you.
• 50:19
  Thank you. That.
• 50:21
  Was great words we. Love you, we love you appreciate
• 50:25
  you. We want you to give us a quick
• 50:27
  shout out, right? Just quickly tell people why
• 50:29
  they should listen to the podcast.
• 50:30
  You know what you love about the podcast real quick in just one
• 50:33
  minute podcast. And of course, you know, like
• 50:37
  talk about brief CF you know that people should watch the.
• 50:40
  Yeah, so. Just that shout out thing, yeah.
• 50:43
  What is the post podcast called again?
• 50:45
  AI. No, that's your.
• 50:46
  Name the Kingdom The Kingdom's podcast.
• 50:48
  The Kingdom's podcast. Oh kingdoms.
• 50:51
  The Kingdom. The Kingdom.
• 50:53
  Kingdom. Dems Dames King Dames podcast.
• 50:57
  OK, Kingdom Kingdom podcast. Yeah, the King games.
• 51:02
  Podcast, you know, I just, I'm just going to just, yeah, just
• 51:05
  talk about how my experience. So I feel like this podcast is
• 51:09
  great because we talk about real stuff.
• 51:11
  We talk about stuff that are important.
• 51:14
  We talk about stuff that are human.
• 51:16
  So for me, it's very important nowadays because of all the
• 51:19
  virtual stuff, the AI, the stuff like that.
• 51:22
  We slowly losing our realness, our human side.
• 51:28
  You know, everyone is using technology now to do everything.
• 51:32
  So yeah, having a podcast like your podcast with real humans
• 51:39
  talking about real stuff, it's it's great.
• 51:42
  So I recommend people to listen to it and to even come on it if
• 51:47
  you if you can. Thank you very much brother.
• 51:51
  We appreciate the and of course your fight November 7th, yes,
• 51:56
  for ACF 100 guys go TuneIn and of course we watch the killer
• 52:01
  king take on the throne rightfully from us.
• 52:06
  It's love and respect. And of course, from a Noel
• 52:09
  Abouk. Yeah, I just want to thank you
• 52:13
  again. Thank you so much.
• 52:14
  We wish you so much luck. Just blessings over you and your
• 52:17
  family or your training and your healing and everything over your
• 52:20
  body for this fight. We're just so grateful to have
• 52:22
  you on here, and we wish you nothing but the best.
• 52:25
  We want you to come home with a win.
• 52:27
  So that's all I have to say. Go grab this for you brother.
• 52:31
  God bless.