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PIODCAST: Episode 796 - What is going on with Cradle of Filth? · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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None. What's up everybody, it's your
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boy Kefi at ghostcultman.com. I'm here with a little bit of a
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late Night Live stream. White Kisser is here and Bro
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Cardi is here. Hello.
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Hello. Thought I would jump on to talk
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about what is going on with Cradle Phil.
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It's been If you've been following the news and you had
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some whiplash as a result of this, I am not surprised.
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We have to. And I think I want to bring up
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some things that I don't think regular people understand about
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the music business, about what it is to be a touring artist,
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what that looks like when you are not the owner of a band or
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the founding member of a band or the main people in the band
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incorporated. I think there's a lot of
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misconceptions about how much money people make and what, if
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anything, they have or entitles them to.
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And I don't think I would have made a video about this if the
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aspersions being cast were not so serious or severe.
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I will throw out out front that I have nothing but respect for
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Cradle Of Filth. I've interviewed Danny and met
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him a few times, always been very nice and professional.
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Some of the other team members of the band we've met before,
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some of the members of management that have been called
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out if you will. I'm very fond of personally and
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know for a long time and work with for a long time
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professionally as a journalist and I don't think I've ever seen
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something like this in very small instances, you know,
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you've seen very public dust UPS with former members of corn,
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you've seen Slipknot indoor lawsuits and a lot of judgement
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laden things from their people, fans and former bandmates and
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business partners alike. Unsurprisingly, you know, if you
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sometimes dare to bump back publicly in air dirty laundry,
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you are treated rather shabbily, and that's just a fact.
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So yeah, I'm just going to share this around for a second.
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Hold on, make sure we're going live everywhere.
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Jump in and comment if you have an opinion on this situation and
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here. What's up, everybody?
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Happy late night. And we're here to talk a little
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Cradle Of Filth, in case you are interested.
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If you're not interested, that's cool too, because you know, it
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can't be for everybody. But I thought I would come on
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and talk about this because I think it bears discussing a
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little bit about, you know, just what's going on in the world and
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what's like. These things are not new, but
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they are. I'm surprised by this turn of
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events. I'm surprised Anya is also here
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and a few others. So thanks for being here and
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watching. You can watch anybody else's
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stuff, but here you are. So thank you, appreciate you
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very much. Thanks for all those watching on
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the tube of you feel free to tune in and say hi.
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So been a wild couple of days. I think we'll start with the
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with the minutiae a little bit here and let's see stream yard
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kind of amping up a little. We'll add this to the stage.
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We got a little deck here that I made and in case you saw our
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Jorge pass by. What's up?
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We did a live screen review last week of Deftones.
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We've been trying to do some things we haven't been doing
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lately. We reviewed the new Deftones
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album. We did a another album review
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I also did a live review of the 9 Inch Nails show I saw because
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it was so amazing. I wanted to talk about it and it
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seemed like a lot of people were curious about it too.
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So we're here late on Tuesday. Again, we're talking about all
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the drama and lineup changes of Cradle Of Filth.
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I'm going to attempt in the best of my ability.
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I am not an inside person with knowledge of the situation.
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I only know what's been reported and discussed.
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So we're going to be dealing in facts, not making assumptions,
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not casting aspersions. We're just going to replay the
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Kenneth Kaltenbach, what's up? Welcome back.
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So yeah, we're doing the thing we're talking about Cradle
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Filth, and let's just dial it back for a second before we get
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into the drama. Cradle Filth is probably more
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successful than they have ever been in their whole career.
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They are doing things at a level headlining festivals all over
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the world, mounting huge headline tours, cross countries,
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cross continents. Their last record streaming, the
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Valkyries did very well to the fact that they're repressing
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vinyl and offering new packages and things.
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You need to audition for Cradle. Good.
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Thank God they don't do any sweeping arpeggios.
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I mean, there was a time when they did, but I hear what you're
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saying. They're not exactly Derby
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Borgier or Behemoth, but I hear what you're saying, Ken.
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But maybe not a great thing, you know, maybe a mixed bag, but
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again, and maybe the mixed bag, not of Cradle Of Filth, but the
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mixed bag of being a touring musician and not having
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ownership in a band. And that's what I'm going to
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talk about because I think people don't understand that.
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But Cradle is doing about as well as they've ever done in
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their 34 year history. Danny Filth is the, you know,
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long, you know, the mainstay. It's his band.
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You know, they have had something like 47 members beside
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Danny. They have had many people leave
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over the years. That does happen in bands.
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No band almost that you love has the same long term members and
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you could make an All Star band out of, you know, people who
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have been in the band. They've actually had a few
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people pass away, but you know, they have some members, some
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classic considered to be classic members of the band.
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And it's tough to lose a long, long term members like Ashok and
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even Zoe Marie Fedorov, who, you know, instigated this whole
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thing starting by leaving over the weekend.
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You know, three years is is respectable.
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Their last keyboardist was in for two, plus Annabella, Rod
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Rodney. So yeah, it's definitely
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difficult to keep a band together.
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And I mean, at this point, Mark, this might be the longest
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standing drummer in the band, if I'm not mistaken.
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But anyway, Cradle is hugely successful.
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Their management is the Oracle management run by Desfar and his
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wife Anastasia. Again, I have nothing but
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admiration for Danny. I've spoken to him, he's
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wonderful. I met him in person, he seems
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great. Maybe not to be in a bandwidth,
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but as far as Dez and his wife, I can say that I know them to be
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fair. Tough, but fair, and they have
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been instrumental in, again, making Cradle as big as they
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have ever been. They're also working with a
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bunch of other bands in addition to Dez's bands.
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Coal Chamber and Devil Driver, of course, Black Satellite is
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also managed by the Oracle and they are one of the rising bands
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in rock and metal right now. They did a whole tour opening
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for Marilyn Manson. Whatever you want to say, Manson
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is huge and you know, all due respect, but at the same time
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what is happening? So again, I think there's a lot
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going on. In fact, there's some things
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that maybe are not understood. I am trying to understand what's
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going on as well. I don't claim to have all the
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answers. I know a little bit, a little
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bit about the music business. That's what I know.
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Crayola Field is in the middle of their South American tour
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that launched last weekend. And just as the tour began, Zo
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Marie Fedorov took to her social media to announce she was
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leaving the band. Then I try to give this, you
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know, in the proper context, so you know.
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Zoe posted over the weekend. It is with deep regret that I
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share. For personal reasons, I am
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unable to continue this tour and continue in general with Cradle
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Of Filth. Please respect my privacy and my
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family's privacy. I will answer no further
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questions. Be kind to my successor.
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I wish her and my now former bandmates well, at least like
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Roy Khan said over a decade ago, Roy Khan of Camelot, God was
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there after all. Yours.
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So. So, you know, seemed pretty
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innocuous. Not great to leave in the tour
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in the middle of the tour, the beginning of the tour, you know,
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in a foreign country. I assume she traveled with them.
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What's up? J Rod, how are you doing?
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Local hoodlum is also here. What's up?
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What's up, Michael? Timothy, you know, not easy to
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do when you're in a foreign country to up and leave the tour
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you're on. It cannot be easy.
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Cannot be, you know, a lightly made decision, I'll say, can't
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be taken lightly. So Zoe makes this post and then
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Danny comments basically later that day, he makes an Instagram
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post. A strange turn of events have
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manifested here on tour for Cradle Of Filth in South
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America. Keyboardist, that being singer
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Zoe Schmerda. So Marie Federoff has chosen to
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leave the band mid tour, effective immediately.
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We of course wish her all the best for the future and we as a
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band will continue onward and upward.
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As always, the replacement singer here in Kelsey Peters,
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one of the very talented Crudle members.
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Like Cradle, but Crudle. Thanks for new people tuning in.
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Appreciate you watching on YouTube.
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In Life 1 cannot always foresee what future holds for us, but we
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remain ever professional in continuing with the screaming of
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the Americas concerts for our fans without allowing any of
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this to sully our onward trajectory.
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So our South and Central American brethren, we will see
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you with the next spat of relentless shows.
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The shows have already been incredible in Brazil and we are
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just so exceptionally appreciative of your massive and
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passionate attendance. My friends, friends and friends
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alike. Long live the filth, Danny.
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Filth. Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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So you know, it seems like all is OK.
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Doesn't seem bad, seems OK, seems like it's going to be all
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right. Then a shock posts that he is
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leaving. He's leaving the band, so he
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writes, he writes a post, dear fans and friends.
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So he plays one show with the replacement.
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Kelsey Peters, who I've met, lived in New York, the New York
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area for a while, is a very well known person in the music scene.
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Kelsey's been very nice. I met a few times and we have
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mutual friends and I knew they were opera trained and and
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seemed like the right profile of a person that would play in
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Cradle Of Filth, classically musical trained and do the
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Cradle stuff. Seems like you know a match so
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they play 1 show with a shock and and Kelsey replacing Zoe and
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a shock post to social media today Tuesday August 26th.
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Your fans and friends, I ask you to please respect my wife and
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myself in this transitional period.
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I am indeed leaving Cradle, building the end of this current
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tour and the reasons behind this and conclusions my wife and I
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came to together long before this week.
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We simply do not feel like Cradle can provide for our
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future and in fact it hinders it.
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One other reasons, it is a lot of work for relatively low pay,
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the stress is quite high and we haven't felt for a while like
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this band is actually prioritizing hearing about
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members. It has been years of
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unprofessional behavior from the people above us that led to our
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decision. I've also asked all compositions
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of mine removed from upcoming releases, including the Ed
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Sheeran collab. By the way, like the Cradle,
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Felt and Ed Sheeran have made a song.
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We'll see when we hear it and has since released an album.
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Cradle has since since released an album.
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Ed is not on it or Cradle. Cradle is not on Ed's album.
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The song feels foolish, like foolish clown antics for me at
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this point anyway. First it was a charity single
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for kids, then a Prophet single, then on the next album, and who
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knows. And I just don't not want to be
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involved anymore. No matter, no disrespect to Ed
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Sheeran. And meanwhile to so many
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brilliant Internet brains trying to speculate on personal affairs
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between me and Zoe, Zoe or Zoe, just stop this.
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We are trying to start a new chapter.
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I'm going to finish this tour strong for the fans of my
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friends in this band and Crow. It is my last ride of a Crayola.
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I'm proud to give it my best. I am sad to not share the stage
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with my wife these last times, but I respect why she left and I
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am happy for our friend. Kelsey Peters has been given an
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opportunity to shine. This is all I have to say for
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now. Leave my wife alone.
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Never insult her or her choices in my presence or else.
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Very ominous. I'm a guy who is dressed up as
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Pinhead at every show. So you know Cradle is on this
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tour. Shock makes that post and then
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Danny post is fired and I have this cool photo of fire here.
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I'll just read a little more here from the from Danny's post.
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Eastling is here. Hello the Eastling and hello
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again, Ken. I hope you're still here.
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So Danny now comments on on Ashok getting fired and this is
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some wild shit. And again they called him out,
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right? Zoe didn't call him out.
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Marek Ashok calls out Danny, those above us, Danny for the
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treat mistreatment. And so Danny posts.
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It is with Grave a Grave Heart that Cradle Of Filth officially
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announced the firing of guitarist Marek Ashok Schmerda
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from the band, effective immediately.
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Despite all attempts to illegally defame and derail the
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band, Cradle Of Filth will not cancel any of our South American
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shows, though fans will have to bear with us being a band with
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only one guitarist live. That's of course until a Shot's
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temporary replacement is flown out to join the tour in a few
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days time. Fast work.
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Thank you for understanding in this horrible matter.
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We are all in a state of shock over the proceedings and we'll
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share our side of these unfortunate events in due
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course. Please respect our decision to
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part with a shock now rather than at the end of the tour to
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avoid speculation any more. Clarity on the situation will be
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provided. The rest of the ban are cool,
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even if taken aback, and accusations to our management
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who work very closely with me and the ban are completely
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unjust and unfounded. Patience is a virtue and the
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truth will always out. Maybe means bear out, but OK,
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the truth, the truth will always win out.
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Maybe. Thank you once again, fellow
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Phil Flings, and we look forward to the rest of the Screaming the
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Americas tour here in Uruguay and beyond.
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Your friend Danny. So Danny kind of fires back,
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pushes back on any wrongdoing, defends the management.
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Again, I only know Danny to be very good in personal dealings
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with me and the press live as a person.
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I've seen him a little bit in regular life.
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I know the management Oracle management doesn't Anastasia
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Fafara to be nothing but professional to me and to in my
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dealings with them. I can't speak on other things
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and I'm not trying to cast aspersions because to my
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knowledge they are well regarded as management.
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But now though claps back and really I'm.
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I'm flabbergasted by this because I didn't expect after a
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shocks kind of smack down to Danny and Danny's pretty I'd say
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even handed defense. Murloc lives is here.
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What's on? I think it's a pretty even
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handed defense. You know, you know, they have a
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right to defend themselves, you know, so here's Zoe makes
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another post right after Danny fires a shock and again,
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feelings might be hurt. I I honestly understand why you
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would let the guitar not you know, let's not finish the tour.
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Go home. Thanks.
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You're quitting at the end of the tour.
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Don't even bother staying with us.
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We'll replace you. We can play some shows as a
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single guitar band, enough instrumentation and people to
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cover and, you know, just not interested in being on tour with
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somebody that doesn't want to be there.
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I get that. That's their right, honestly.
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And again, these folks are in a foreign country where they don't
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speak the language and they have to call home and probably on
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their own without the plane tickets the band bought for
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everybody. I don't know, I'm guessing on
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that one. So here's the statement from Zoe
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after Air Shock is fired and this kind of blew my brain a
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little and I'm going to tell you why.
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A further statement on the departure from myself and Asia
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from cradle. A warning to our successors in
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all caps. Read the contract.
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I think I have this here right. We plan this transition at a
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cradle built months ago. Management is dishonest,
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manipulative and tries to take money that belongs to us with no
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contract between us session musicians and him.
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So I think and him they mean Danny.
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When I called them out on this attempted theft of album advance
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money from Screaming of the Valkyries already released, they
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called me a cancer and a dead horse and threatened to fire me.
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The front man Danny does nothing to stop them from and hides
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behind them while they belittle and steal.
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We hold the front man responsible for hiring this
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management and never advocating for his team, only himself.
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Other ex members try to tiptoe around this and only blame
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management. Management works for the front
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man. You mean Danny?
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He might not get his hands dirty but in the end he directs them.
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The atmosphere he creates is threatening and abusive and
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constantly exploits us for very low wages yet also demands
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exclusivity to cradle schedule. We do not make even the bare
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cost of living that we are told to not tour with other bands to
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supplement our income. It is madness to keep people
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locked in poverty for the ego of one person.
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Whoa, that has a lot to unpack. Yep, Blackstone death metal.
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Yep talking about Cradle. That's right, Somewhere in Time
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is here also, so check this shit out.
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We attached a contract they attempted to trap all session
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members. Trap all session members in for
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a 25% raise. Parentheses.
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The first raise in seven years. Our lawyer called it the most
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psychopathic contract the session musician could ever be
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handed is quite a claim. We did not sign and made a
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decision to leave this year instead.
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So we left because we're being used and paid less than the cost
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of living. The environment is toxic and
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threatening and the toll this was taking on our lives and our
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marriage were too grew too great.
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The health toll it took on us also led me to miscarry our
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first pregnancy on tour. Whoa why are you flying across
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the country when pregnant? That not good but I'm not
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judging, but shit, we chose to lead to save ourselves and
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create a better future for our family.
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Now that we are out, the sun is shining, our family has hope and
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we hope. Every session musician thinks
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about joining Cradle, reads a contract and talks to a lawyer.
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Good luck to whoever tries to make it work next.
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And remember, we all know the guy who says all his exes are
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crazy. Are you sure?
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All of them? Could it be?
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Could the problem be you? 40 plus people later farewell to
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the fans and our fellow session members and crew.
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They were only part of this that remain good memories.
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And then she attaches the contract that they were asked to
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sign, which can't. I have to believe that's like a
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violation of ADA, you know, like a you know, like everybody has
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like, you know, NDA's disclosure agreements they have to sign.
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I'm shocked if there wasn't one in place that they could not do
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this go scorched earth, drop bombs like this on Danny and the
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management and also share this contract leak this contract,
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which is really I got to say, you know, difficult.
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Let's say like it's that's wild that they did this Blackstone
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that says cradle field equals chick bad.
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Well, yeah, there's there's the future discussion about Batty
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Core or Girlfriend metal or whatever, whatever you think.
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But this scorched the earth shit I've never seen.
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I really have seen it all. I've been I was in bands for 20
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plus years. I've been a music journalist for
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almost 20 years. I've been running Ghost Called
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for almost 13. I have never seen this before.
26:57
A public split this nasty. I've seen some pretty bad
26:59
splits, Bad Wolves, Tommy Vexed again.
27:02
Slipknot versus former members. Just wow.
27:07
So, you know, I mean, you know, there's probably a little bit of
27:10
truth in everything here, but at the same time, I don't know, you
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know, I don't know, I'm, I'm perplexed personally about this
27:20
whole thing. So I'm not a legal expert, nor
27:23
do I profe, you know, profess to give legal advice to anybody.
27:28
But, you know, we're just talking about, you know, Cradle
27:33
Filth is a major band. I had said already, all due
27:37
respect to Danny and their management, they are as big now
27:40
as they have ever been. This is a very difficult time.
27:43
Hopkins laws passing by with them.
27:45
A lot of people have, you know, are failing at touring.
27:52
A lot of people are retiring from music and not wanting to
27:55
tour. I think you're going to see more
27:59
and more of this is just very expensive to keep touring and
28:03
then this bomb drop of this thing.
28:05
So, you know, Danny Felt is also Danny Davey, this, you know,
28:10
legal document. You can read it on on our site
28:12
as well as Lamb Goat. It's just a fact.
28:15
I don't know contracts. I'm just reporting what I'm
28:19
reading here. At first, it seems like a very
28:22
standard professional services contract.
28:25
And Zoe and Ashok were referred to the whole band as session
28:29
musicians. So Justin, let me just stop for
28:32
a second and talk about this. A lot of people don't understand
28:35
that every major band and your small DIY band, you should if
28:40
you're going to run it like a business.
28:43
My band incorporated Ghost Cult has an LLC even like you have to
28:48
have a business head to be able to be in the music businesses,
28:54
the music business, not the music friendship, as I am fond
28:56
of saying, and I copyright that, but no, you can use it, trust
29:01
me. You know, if you're not a
29:05
founding member, if you're not a stakeholding member in Cradle
29:09
Filth Incorporated, you just get less money than everybody else.
29:12
You get less of the merge money you get, you get less royalties
29:15
or no royalties depending on what you were negotiating.
29:19
You know, that's the business. Dave Lombardo came back to
29:25
Slayer and thought he would make more money as a weekly salaried
29:28
employee than a member of Slayer.
29:32
And it's very well detailed in the book by my friend DX Ferris.
29:36
So I hope to interview at some point soon about their finances.
29:40
And, you know, a light was shed on that that was very
29:43
distasteful to Dave, and that's why he ended up out of the band
29:46
eventually a second time and never coming back probably.
29:50
So it seems like a personal services contract.
29:52
And there's things about copyright and compositions.
29:56
You know, you give us all consents and permissions.
29:59
You don't own your music. You contributed to the albums.
30:02
This was what was offered. This is what was offered.
30:04
I don't know if this is the contract they had.
30:06
This is what they were offered for a 25% raise across the
30:09
board, which, you know, is significant.
30:13
But seven years, usually most people get a four or 5% Slayer.
30:18
I hear you, man. I hear you.
30:20
You know, not as not, you know, we're talking about big
30:24
business. And maybe that's the antithesis
30:26
of art and true metal and all these things.
30:29
Slayer died a long time ago. They came back for the money.
30:31
There's no question. I mean, I'm, I'm glad they're
30:34
back because I kind of feel like the world died a little bit when
30:36
they retired. But, you know, Jeff wouldn't
30:40
have wanted the band to stop. And the money is probably
30:43
outstanding to do these handful of shows a year.
30:46
But I hear you, man. I hear you.
30:47
Tell me what bands you like and I'll let you know.
30:50
I'm sure we cover them. So here's kind of a rub.
30:54
And again, this is what they are, according to Zoe, their
30:58
lawyer called this psychopathic. That is a very strong aspersion
31:03
against. But 200 per day for all days in
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which you were required to perform.
31:08
I mean, if you're on a tour of South America doing about 40
31:12
dates in six weeks, that's quite a lot of money, more than most
31:16
people make in minimum wage jobs per day, but not a lot.
31:19
I mean, maybe double the minimum wage.
31:23
A sum of 150 days spent traveling that are not
31:26
performance days, and a per diem each day of 25.
31:29
These are all in pounds, so not EUR, not USD pounds and worth
31:33
haven is passed by. What's up?
31:35
And again, I will mention that like maybe with the exchange
31:38
rates. So you know, Ken says I think
31:41
Cradle simply isn't immune to rock'n'roll moments.
31:44
And this is definitely one of those moments.
31:45
They take themselves to Sirius at times and the musician should
31:48
get paid as much as possible. I absolutely agree with that.
31:51
Blackstone Dead says only fools give them their hard earned cash
31:55
to go see them. We're talking about Slayer, but
31:57
maybe Cradle too. You know, here at Ghost Cult, we
32:00
cover the underground, we cover the underground, we cover the
32:03
big ass bands. Yowie has passed by on Facebook.
32:06
That's cool. Yowie the band.
32:09
We also had somebody watching quite a few people watching on
32:13
YouTube. Thanks, Ken.
32:14
Thank you. Blackstone Death.
32:19
You know, I feel terrible if she lost a baby.
32:22
Definitely would not have flown if she was pregnant.
32:25
But again, that's not my not my body and I don't mind decision
32:30
to make an annual payment of $1000 for the use of your image
32:34
and or performance and videos, merchandising photographs or
32:37
other. Each December 31st you perform
32:43
with the artist. The artist is Danny.
32:46
So 1000 a year does seem a little light for images, music
32:51
videos, faces on shirts, press photos.
32:55
Seems light for a band at the level of Cradle, but maybe they
32:59
feel like that's fair, I do not know.
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In addition to the foregoing, we agree to give you a good faith
33:03
consideration to further payment to you from time to time and
33:07
respect the merchandise sales and so-called meet and greets.
33:10
So if they do meet and greets they can get a little extra
33:12
money. You get supplied with your
33:14
services to the best of your ability to the standard of a
33:17
first class performer at all times while providing your
33:20
services here under Legal Talk. The avoidance of doubt you shall
33:24
provide these services on a first call basis.
33:27
You agree with 10 punctually in such places and times.
33:30
And then there's some more rules about first call.
33:36
You are solely and exclusively entitled to grant the rights
33:39
granted to us, meaning the artist Danny and the management
33:42
and the full right and power and enter into this agreement,
33:46
meaning there's no other deals that could you know, interfere
33:49
with that. You still listen to black and
33:50
deaf metal with any other ground.
33:51
I hear you, man. Hot Topic metal.
33:54
Satanic Berserker 666 is here. Real filth equals Hot Topic
33:58
metal. Fair enough, man.
33:59
But that Hot topic metal sold out a tour of South America in a
34:02
time when people can't afford to go to shows.
34:05
So I hear you. We're just talking about this
34:07
drama that I have said before you join guys that this is
34:12
unprecedented bomb drop. You never see a major artist get
34:16
called out like this very, very rarely.
34:19
So I'm surprised. And what I'm trying to do is
34:22
shed light on why I again, I only know Danny.
34:26
I've interviewed him and he's been cool and met him a few
34:28
times. Does an Anastasia great people.
34:32
I only know them as a journalist to management and you know
34:37
everything I've heard about them is good.
34:40
Nothing in this Agreement shall be constructed, construed, or
34:43
deemed to constitute a partnership or joint venture
34:46
between you and us. This is probably like the Ghost
34:49
clause after Ghost got sued after Tobias Ford got sued by
34:53
the rest of Ghost. These are standard now.
34:56
You are not a member of this band unless you are a member of
34:58
this band incorporated. You are a work for hire
35:02
contractor. Something about the laws of
35:09
England and Wales and courts cost incurred by a result of
35:16
you. You might repay us costs and
35:20
demand and in addition to authorize us to deduct any such
35:24
cost from royalties or payments otherwise due to you if you
35:28
don't uphold this contract. That is wild.
35:31
But I think that's probably standard again.
35:36
So again, I don't, you know, I don't know.
35:47
There's an additional update from Danny, so I'll skip ahead.
35:54
That's all the slides. You can go see them on social
35:57
media or if you care enough. Danny felt a great guy here.
36:04
He throws tantrums like Chucky when he doesn't get his way.
36:06
I mean, you know, if you've been in music for 34 years and you've
36:10
gotten to a certain level, you can, you can be a diva.
36:13
I mean, we see it. We see it all the time.
36:16
The worst thing is when a brand new artist acts kind of like a
36:18
diva, they haven't earned the right to.
36:21
I don't know that anyone should be a diva, but like, if you
36:24
haven't earned the right to, you don't have anything to lean on.
36:27
You're brand new here. You're not entitled to anything.
36:32
This is more recent update from Danny from Uruguay.
36:37
It's been an extremely dramatic week out here on the road in
36:40
South America with a sudden depart departure of Zoe from the
36:43
band. The sum total of 11 hours sleep
36:47
in four days due to some very early morning lobby calls on
36:49
late arriving back in hotels. 4 amazing shows in Brazil and
36:53
Argentina thus far. Uruguay today.
36:55
That was last night. Many early check insurance for
36:59
flights. It certainly has been a
37:00
whirlwind of chaos amid a circus of delights in the first week.
37:04
Little over a month now stretching like a great cat
37:07
forest clawing its ways through the dense foliage of South and
37:11
Central America. It sure is flowery.
37:14
Kelsey Peters certainly filling in well on backing vocals and
37:18
key duties, and the mood of the camp is very upbeat and
37:21
positive. Now the huge amount of photos to
37:23
share, seeing as how we've literally bounced from airport
37:26
to hotel to club and back again, but should get a little easier
37:30
now that we have many trap. We have as many travel days as
37:33
shows, jet lag notwithstanding, until the final lengthy run in
37:37
Mexico. So thank you for your continued
37:40
support and for not listening to all the bullshit rumors and
37:43
sickly worms presiding over the Internet.
37:46
I wonder. I guess that needs me.
37:49
Cradle Of Filth always come back better and stronger than ever,
37:52
and that will be no different this time when we unleash our
37:55
new album of the foreseeable future, These Steel Wishes.
37:58
Danny Montevedo. Why So?
38:01
Hopefully I said that correctly and pronounced that well.
38:03
I hope you know what a dramatic turn of events blood is here.
38:11
And I think, you know, when you get a band that's hit this level
38:14
for a long time, you're going to have dissatisfied people.
38:19
We know, I know that Danny recently mended fences with
38:24
Sarah Jezebel Deva of the iconic early albums.
38:30
She was incredible and is a friend to the show.
38:34
We've interviewed her a few times and followed her projects.
38:39
I mean, it just kind of put out the screaming of the Valkyries
38:43
not that long ago. So it's possible they have
38:46
another new album in the works. And I saw that a stock asked
38:50
that his music not be released, including their new album and
38:54
the Ed Sheeran Lab, which is crazy.
38:58
But also like, they might just cut him out of the money if
39:02
anyway and run this, you know, release the music anyway.
39:07
Garrett punk rock is here. I'm just think it's like very,
39:11
very brash to just air The Dirty laundry as a means of like
39:18
defending themselves. That shit is wild.
39:20
I've never seen it done that way.
39:21
I don't recommend it. Maybe they felt they didn't have
39:24
a choice. Maybe they don't have a leg to
39:26
stand on legally and that's why they did it.
39:30
But again, Danny is Cradle Of Filth.
39:35
Danny is Cradle Of Filth incorporated.
39:38
It's his choice to pay people like contractors.
39:42
Contractors typically make a higher pay, not lower.
39:48
They don't get a share of the money of the royalties of the
39:50
merge as much, but you know, they tend to get paid more
39:55
weekly than, you know, occasional, you know, meted out
40:02
payments. More one say you know unfurl
40:06
about this Apparently they're going to get a fill in guitarist
40:09
who's apparently preparing and going to meet them on tour.
40:13
Kelsey Peters best of luck to you.
40:15
We've like I said, we've seen other past members of cradle
40:19
burnout and leave Most of them seem to be thriving again.
40:26
I mentioned that Sarah, for many years, Sarah Jezebel, David
40:29
could not, you know, never saw Danny again.
40:32
And you know, we heard between mutual friends things said and
40:36
then they met somewhere and she caught up with their tour and
40:40
that very nice chat apparently and you know, came to Jesus
40:45
meeting or whatever. No pun intended.
40:47
Maybe pun intended a little. And you know, generally
40:51
speaking, if you go look at Zoe Smerda's social media, all the
40:57
ex Cradle members are popping up in there.
41:01
Satanic Berserker 666, their new sellout album.
41:03
For all the clueless, Normisha weren't even itching in their
41:05
daddy's pants when they formed. I got you, man, I got you.
41:09
Yes, of course. But you know, we're not going to
41:11
gatekeep age. Like some people were not born
41:13
at the right time. I mean, you know, I like black
41:17
metal in the early 90s and I still listen to those same
41:19
bands, you know, windier became Breed.
41:23
But like, you know, other than that, I'm still listening to
41:26
over and the old school, you know, Nottons manager Bill
41:29
records and and Emperor's first few records and things like that
41:32
that I like. Next time you interview the
41:35
diva, ask why he tends ships from death metal to estrogen
41:39
metal. OK, I hear what you're saying.
41:41
Gatekeeping is good. It's not that good, but I hear
41:44
what you're saying. I don't care about safe spaces,
41:48
but I think like there's room for everybody.
41:53
You can like black metal, you can like rap metal, you can like
41:57
hardcore, you can like death. Again, I'm a journalist, so I
42:01
kind of have a generalist ear in the 1st place.
42:05
I think gatekeeping bad music from people is important.
42:09
Gatekeeping exists for a reason, and there's nothing that either
42:12
you or I can do to get rid of it.
42:13
That's fair. That's fair.
42:16
Satanic reserker. Seems like you and Blackstone
42:18
def similar values which is cool.
42:21
Common bonds. But anyway, more to come on
42:24
this. I'm rooting for, you know,
42:26
everybody to go on with their lives, but this is just wild.
42:29
That's why I came on here to talk about it.
42:31
I have never seen it done this way.
42:33
A lot of people have left bands and then just kind of moved
42:37
quietly through and not just rained fire and burnt, scorched
42:42
the earth behind them. But I guess Zoe and Marek felt
42:46
they needed to do this. It'd be very interesting to see
42:49
when and if Danny shows up with receipts to, you know, doesn't
42:54
need to defend himself, but if he feels like he wants to defend
42:58
himself further, it'd be interesting to see even they
43:01
called out past former members of Cradle, felt that preceded
43:06
them, and said that they current and past members tiptoe around
43:10
Danny while living in fear of him in the management.
43:13
That's a wild accusation, but yeah, they have had quite a
43:19
bunch of members. I'm sure you saw the meme about
43:22
Megadeth not inviting their 748 past members on tour.
43:28
Sorry David Ellefson, they're not going to call you, even
43:31
though I love that dude In terms of musicianship and why he woke
43:37
people. Yep, I hear you guys.
43:40
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44:11
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44:21
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