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41. Hellbound Heart (Feat. Tif from Spookocalypse) · The Book-Watchers

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to start posting again so we can get ahead of the curb. Any.
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So yeah, so today's episode we finished Jurassic Park franchise. That was the
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last episode we did. Now we are gonna be doing thumbing over to the
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ooky, spooky side of things today. We're gonna be talking about with our
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guest Tiff. We're gonna be talking about The hell Bound Heart by I f
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fellow gay Cli Burker ya yah, our fellow British gay. And we're gonna
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be in the realm of horror for quite a while for Lowell, you know.
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So that's gonna be fun. So Clyde Barker, where do I begin
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with that? Man? Where do I begin? I had stuff up,
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but let me let me just let me this stuff. So The hell Bound
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Heart is a novella, a horror novella created by Clive Barker. Clive Barker
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is a English novelist, playwright, author of film director, visual artists whose
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prominence was most was started coming about in the mid eighties with a series of
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short stories known as the Books of Blood Blood. He's a horror He's done
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a lot of horror stories and stuff, hell Raisers from the hell Bound Hearts.
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He's done stuff like there's a British horr film called Underworld that he's writing
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for. He also directs movies. Nightbreed is his creation, if you ever
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seen that, that's based on his novella The Cabal. There's a bunch of
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things. There's also an executive producer on the Candyman movie, the original one.
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So he's he's he's been around in the world of horror at ooky spooky
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shit. But today we're talking about The hell Bound Heart that was released back
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in November nineteen eighty six. Is considered a horror gothic gothic horror fiction.
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This is his third volume this story. This novella is placed in the third
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volume of his Night Visions anthology series and say Oh That The novella is released
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in nineteen eighty six but then it was rereleased as a standalone title because originally
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it was part of the anthology series. And then it was released by it
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ELF in nineteen ninety one as a little book and the book is fairly small
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by the way as well, if you're wondering, if you want to go
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check out and read yourself. This is the story that has Pinhead and the
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cindebytes that we know from the movies, but the Cinabytes there's a whole I
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have a whole conversation I want to do about the Cindabytes, but I must
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save that film. When we talk about the hell Raiser films, the friend
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the film series as a whole, on how they interpret on how Clive Barker,
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Clive Barker takes the Cindabytes and brings them to the to the big screen
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with the first film, and how he adapts his own story, because if
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you didn't know, he also directed the first film, so that's one.
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This is one of those few things a few times that the writer actually directs
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the film. Who wants to start us off on the journeys through the help
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Bound Heart? Yeah, if I'm glad you volunteers. Damn again, this
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is my first time on here. I'm trying to figure out what I'm going
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to do for my books. Okay, just just talk about it, like
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what so like your biggest takeaways, just a little bit about the plot and
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your biggest tech takeaways. We're pretty we're pretty like impromptu here, okay,
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like we're just vibing, see, because like my my thought processes. I
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was like, is this like spook do we tell like do we like?
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Okay, so this is like the whole plot of the book, and then
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we well, I mean, yes, I do talk about it. Yes
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we did do that. But okay, I take it because Jacob's usually one
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that does that. I take it. You're not You're not prepared for that
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today. No, I was not prepared for that today. Something that Jacob
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not you. Oh, I mean I could do it because like, like
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I mean, I listened to the book. I didn't. I didn't get
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a chance to like buy the book or like sit down and actually read it.
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I listened to it. And the way that they that you know,
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the audiobook is m you can only take so much from it, you know,
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then actually sit down and read it or reread it. Okay, well,
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I guess before we get into the plot. I have our residential plot,
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Bear go over the plot? What were yeah? What were your thoughts?
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How did you initially? What did you want to read this book or
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or in this case listen to it? Did you want to get into this
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before we came up to and be like, hey, you want to be
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you want to do the hell about heart? Uh? Yeah? It was
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on my to read list. I have like thirty or more books that was
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ahead of it because I was reading a whole series, so it was on
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that like I'm going to read it eventually. I don't really consume horror novels
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all that much. I'm more of like a fantasy, a fantasy and or
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oh gosh, what is it like? Uh? I wouldn't say post apocalyptic,
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but like like Hunger Games was a series that I really enjoyed. There's
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one called Matched, you know, nineteen eighty five, Like those kind of
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books to where like you know, like government controls everything and there's like ways
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are divergent like those kind of books. Those those are ones that I lean
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a lot towards, or like extreme like high fantasy, like like the like
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the like the Drifts books, ones that I've been like constantly reading on or
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I was leaning towards the Magic the Gathering books as well, things like that.
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So, I mean, I have read Stephen King, which I think
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is like the only few horror books that I have read, or from Stephen
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King himself. So it was a oh, I'm trying to think of a
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word. It was something that I'm not uncomfortable with. It's just I wanted
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to read it, like actually sit down and read a physical copy of it.
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Hearing someone read a book to me, especially on certain parts, made
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me feel extremely uncomfortable because when I don't know this dude who's reading to me,
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so I was like, uh uh, I would deposit, I gotta,
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I gotta step away. And it's not like the parts that were raunchy
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were I read very very adult books as well, so it's not like,
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Okay, I'm pulling out his penis and stroking himself while he's getting torn apart.
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Was uncomfortable for me. It was just like a stranger was reading in
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my ears. Yeah, and I was like, no, I don't want
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to hear you tell me about this. We stop. Yeah, that's a
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that's a difference scenario because I actually, well, I kind of read this
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book. I read along because with my dyslexia, reading I have addressed before
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in this podcast, reading is a pain in the ass for me. Sometimes.
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I luckily have a boyfriend who we FaceTime every night and we sometimes like
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to read books together. Well, he'll read Timmy and that was one of
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the books that he read, Jimmy's. We read The Ring together like that
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and he's like, hey, you want to hell about Heart And I'm like,
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fuck yeah, I've never read any read the thing that inspired the hell
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Raizor film, and of course with a new one that came out in not
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to longbo four, I was like, fuck yeah, let's read it.
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And then that's how I got to read it. And it was well again
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because like you had someone that you trusted it up and that you're comfortable with,
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and like I said, we kind of have the same situation at the
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same time, you have a stranger read it to you. Well, I
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had somebody that I'm like dating someone that I know, so same same but
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different, same same but different. Yeah, but I mean the overall take
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of it like it was it, It was a I enjoyed it. I'm
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trying to like think of like words and like they're not coming to me like
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I really enjoyed the book the way that the way that it was paced.
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It was a short read, you know, like I'm pretty sure that I
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could have finished it in one day, but I didn't. Whenever I go
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work out, I like to listen to audio books a lot, so like
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at the beginning, I listened to some music because it keeps me, like
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keeps the the pace going. And then once I get into like weightlifting and
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I'm not having to like force myself to run longer than what I'm comfortable with,
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I just sit there and I listened to my books while I'm while I'm
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doing my reps. So I think I finished it in about a week or
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so, because forty five minutes to an hour hour and a half is like
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my workout time usually. So and like the last like let's say, like
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thirty minutes of the book, like it was either I was in my car,
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sitting in my sitting in my driveway listening to it, or you know,
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taking the post workout shower. And I loved I loved the slow decline
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of Gosh. I can't remember her name. Oh, I can't remember her
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name. What was her name? Uh, let's see, it was I'm
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I'm opening up my book app now because I do have it on my book
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app. I have a book. I have a book right here. Uh,
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let's see Julia? Was it? Julia fucking I hate Julia. She
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is such she is such a fucking slut. We don't sludge shame here on
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this podcast here, but she's just trash. She's fucking trashy as all hell.
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Like, Okay, well why why I want to know why you think
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Julia is slutty? For a second, because like from my with her fucking
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brother in law before she even got married to his brother, that's just a
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cheater. That's just trash, not trash as in sexual, trash as in
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a trash person. Okay, yeah, that's just a trash person. But
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like I got, I got that part of it. But from what I
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could tell was that she wasn't really happy in her marriage and that she did
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have a connection with uh what's his tits? And Frank Frank, Yeah,
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Frank, like she she wanted she like, but words what are they?
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Today? I feel like she felt like it was too late for her,
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that she was already getting married to Frank's brother. So and the whole conversation
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between her and Frank whenever he was coming back, you know, like it
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felt a little manipulative, but at the same time, like he could have
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been meaning what he said whenever He's just like if if I had you,
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if you were married to me instead of my brother, Like like I would
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have had a reason to live, Like I wouldn't have searched out what I
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what, what was my what was basically my demise? Okay, so ill
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it seemed a manipulative, you know, I was just like, but at
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the same time, I'm like, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Maybe he thought that way. You know. Well, here's the thing.
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I want to take back what I said about Julie being a slut.
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She's just trashy, all right. She could have if she wasn't happy,
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like even before she got married to Rory, Frank's brother. Yeah, she
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could have just left. She could have just left him either way, but
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she stuck it out, and now she's in she's in a marriage that she
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feels trapped in and like it's just one of those things like if she wasn't
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happy, she should have just left, but instead, to be honest,
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yeah, a good guy. Yeah, he's a good guy. And he
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doesn't. He didn't deserve what happens to him in the end, which we'll
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get to in a few minutes. But yeah, it was just really shitty.
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And then the real slat in this whole book is Frank. Because Frank,
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he's living his whole era, his whole era, hits his whole lifestyle.
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Shit, it's not, it's not. He literally got into that position
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because he's all like, he's just all like, no woman is able to
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be a pleasure me. I need like pleasure coming from the gods. Basically,
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it's like, so this is a perfect see this is a perfect segue.
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Let's to the plot of the story. So literally, the book's the
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very first chapter of this book is of Frank trying to solve the puzzle of
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the what do they call it? The is it the lamberkan the lemercans box?
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All right, So he's literally trying to solve the puzzle, right,
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and he does. He opens it and summons up the Cenobites. Now the
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description, nah, I don't know, like I must have misread it because
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when the cinabites popped up, like, they weren't exactly what I expected them
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to be. Let me see, there was like four centabites that popped up.
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Let's see. Let me just like look at the description. Let's see
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it's close someone which were soon too and through its skin head's nothing. I
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think the like pinhead was the one that like was the one that talked to
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him. It's like, what is your desire? And like he was so
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shot, he was so shocked that he couldn't really respond. But like I
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found the description of the one he was talking to. Yeah, so it
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says like it's clothes, some of which were sewn to and through its skin
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hid its private parts. There was nothing in the dregs of its voice or
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in its willfully disfigured features that offered the lap the least clue when it spoke.
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The hooks that trans fixed that, that transfixed the flaps of its eyes
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were wed and by intricate system of chains passed through the flesh and bone light
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to similar hooks through the lower lip. We're teased by the motion exposing the
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goal listening meat beneath talk to him. Yeah, it isn't that. We
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do see that one in the movie. Though. It's but it doesn't even
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talk. It's just like chitters its teeth, does it yeah, I wanted
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to go back and watch. Well you're talking about the talk about the original
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of the remake, the original original, Well, in the original, yeah,
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we do see and we do technically see it in the in the remake,
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that's the one where that we're just constantly just chitters its teeth. There's
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because there's a lot of there's some of the semites they mentioned that don't even
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appear in any of the movies, like the well is it the Engineer is
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what they call her. The Engineer I think is like the leader of the
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scena bite. Yeah, but that one doesn't appear in the movies, like
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some of them don't appear at all, And the Hell of Priest is only
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shown maybe once or twice throughout the book twice at least. And it's just
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yeah, they do describe Pinhead. They do describe the Pinhead. It's literally,
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it's literally the one. It's it's the second one that talks like it's
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like, do you understand? Do you understand? The figure beside the first
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speaker demanded. Its voice, unlike that of its companion, was light and
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breathy, the voice of an excited girl. Every inch of its head had
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been tattooed with an intricate grid, and at every intersection of horizontal, horizontal,
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and vertical access a jeweled pin driven through the driven through to the bone.
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Its tongue was similarly decorated. Do you even know who we are?
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It asks, So like that's Pinhead right there. So the thing about the
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remake of Hell Raiser is that that was the most faithful description of the of
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Pinhead, because like here Pinhead is described as feminine, but in the original
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movie it was portrayed as a more masculine figure, which we'll get into in
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the movie when we talk about for the next episode, we talk about the
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movies because I have some contexts for that why they did what they did right
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too, A lovely mega fan, I know, right, So anyway,
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to like get on with the plot, like this is like he interacts with
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this after he solves the Lemmercan box. As he's like getting close to solving
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the puzzle and opening the box, he begins hearing ringing of bells, like
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kind of like church bells, and when he finally solves it that everything goes
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silent. The lights in this in the room he's even goes off, and
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then finally like a light appears, and that's where the cenobites are, and
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we see I believe there was four centavites, and there were supposed to be
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five, but it said one of them tells him that the fifth one hasn't
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appeared yet because it's supposed to be the engineer. And yeah, and they
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offer him, they do offer him like untold ecstasies like because that's what that's
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the whole reason why Frank got the damn box in the first place was so
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that way he can experience new levels of basically just sexual pleasure. All right.
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We're not talking about drugs, We're not talking about like alcohol or like
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anything else. It's just pure sexual desire. That's what drove him to get
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to like solve this box. And he gets it, and he gets even
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more than what he asked for. And that's a scene that Tiff was describing
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or earlier at the whole like, you know, he's basically experiencing like the
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most like excruciating pains, but yet somehow he finds pleasure in it and just
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ends up masturbating through the whole thing. And I'm gonna be honest, like
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I made the mistake of bringing this book with me to work, because when
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I'm at work there's times where it's just dead. So I'm reading it and
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when I got to that scene, I'm like, oh, oh, oh,
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okay, I'm gonna put this down. This is I just realized it's
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not safe for me to have out here. I made a mistake. I'm
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sorry, like nope, like please nobody. Like I'm just so glad mind
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reading doesn't exist because if people who were reading my mind, like as I
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was reading it, I'm just like, oh, oh god, no,
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where were you reading it? Well, like okay, so like so we
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set up at events outside of like stores and gas stations, right, and
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like my book the book cover isn't even isn't conspicuous, right, It's just
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a dark book cover. It's not flashy, and like the words are pretty
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small. Some no one can like see what I'm reading. But as I'm
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reading it, I'm like, oh no, no, I'm putting this away.
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I can't read this here. I didn't I didn't expect it to be
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that graphic. So I realized my mistake and I put the book away for
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the rest of the day and did not touch it until I got home.
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But I was like, oh, no, what what am I doing?
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Fuck? Can't can't relate. I read like Ronte fan fiction out in public,
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and if you read what's on my screen, that's your fault. I've
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read other books that have pretty like erotic, uh like pretty erotic scenes,
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and I'll just read it without like without like any shame, right, But
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just this, just reading this book and that scene here, the mutilation and
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the freaking uh just the just the self pleasure from the middle mutilation was like,
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oh oh god, no, this is like, oh oh why,
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oh god. I was just like, no, no, I can't keep
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a straight face while reading this. Like people would like walk by me and
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they would just see the look of just like disgusted on my face as I'm
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reading that scene. I'm just like, uh, not gonna lie. I
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made that kind of face at the gym today. Well, let's to the
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book because I was and it was like really right after like my last set,
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before that exercise, and I was going to go on to something else
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and you just hear go to daddy, and I was like, I know,
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I was like that too. I was like and like I made eye
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contact with the dude who was next to me, and I would just have
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this like like this ill face, and I was like, oh my bad,
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funny funny thing when that scene came up here, my belavor was reading
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it to me. He's like, come to Daddy, and I'm like,
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hey, bo oh my god, let's see. Let me see here.
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I'm just gonna like, let's see. He begs, he basically begs them
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to like to show him like the just the pleasure that they offer, right
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yeah, And then they do and he just starts like basically all his senses
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get dialed up to a million, so he feels everything around him. He
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experiences everything like extreme to the like the most extremes and it's just pain and
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let me see, let's see here. I'm not gonna read it. I'm
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not gonna read it a passage out of this, but I'm gonna see,
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oh my god. He like flooding his system from each nerve, ending a
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taste bud like like fresh sensations flooding his system series were no less sensitive and
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then like, h yeah, I was just like just oh so yeah,
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moving on. Yeah, he basically just like it ends with how you expect,
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and like in the end, the zenobytes just duce out and he's launder,
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and like only one of them's left, and I think it's the I
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think it was the Pinhead one. And like I think she's the one that
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takes him back to their reality and he's basically trapped in this other reality where
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the Zenobytes dwell. Yeah, and so basically they continue to give him the
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pleasure that he was looking for, but it's just just torture twenty four seven,
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Right, pain and torture, pain and pleasure are one and the same.
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Yeah, that's what the Zenobytes believe, and that's what the that's why
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they call they call themselves explorers to the most like deepest regions of playing of
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pain or like of pleasure. Right, and just yeah, yeah, chapter
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one is not safe to read. Like it's a very disturbing chapter, So
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just be warned. And so moving on from that, like that's when we're
31:27
introduced to Frank's brother and sister in law. His brother's name is Rory,
31:33
his sister in law is Julia. And as you as we already said,
31:38
we think very little of Julia. She's just a very overall trashy person.
31:44
I mean, there you could you could find sim you can sympathize with her.
31:47
Because like, some people just find themselves in those situations and it's out
31:49
of their control. But for me, like I just I just don't have
31:53
a great opinion of her. She seems she seems to me like very high
31:57
maintenance. I mean, what she does later on the book, what what
32:02
she becomes as the characters like, yeah, if she wasn't trapping, if
32:07
she wasn't a fucking shit person before she is by Dan, the book,
32:10
oh yeah, and so like it talks so like. The next few chapters
32:16
are just about them getting situated into their new house. So Rory and Frank,
32:22
after their parents died, they inherited their house and basically shared ownership of
32:27
their parents' house and but things it's been empty for years. Occasionally Frank will
32:34
show up and use it as like a trap house for his little sexual escapades.
32:39
And in fact, this is where Frank was when he summoned the xenobites.
32:46
So they move in, and uh so Frank and Rory they move in.
32:52
I'm sorry Rory and Juliet. They move in, and she's not exactly
32:57
happy that they moved there, but at the same time, like she wants
33:00
she's giving it a shot because like Rory thinks that moving into this house would
33:06
be exactly what they need to, like, you know, spice up the
33:08
relationship, do something different, what what have you. And they also meet
33:15
another character who's basically becomes uh, she's basically this little, this little love
33:24
sick local girl. Her name is Kirsty in the movie. In the book,
33:30
she's a neighbor. But in the movie she's actually there. She's actually
33:37
she's Rory's daughter. Yeah, well into that, Yeah, we'll get into
33:43
that. But she's just a neighbor. Yeah, she in the book,
33:45
she's a neighbor, and she's actually she has a huge crush on Rory and
33:50
she she's she thinks that he could do so much better than Julia, even
33:53
though she's even though she's envious of Julia's look because looks, because Julia is
34:00
what she would call a natural natural beauty doesn't really have to put much effort
34:05
into looking good, while Kirsty is just kind of plain looking, but that's
34:08
not important. So she tries to be friends with Julia, mainly just because
34:17
she wants to get closer to Rory, and Julia is more it's just more
34:22
closed off about it. But throughout the book, for the next like couple
34:29
chapters, Julia becomes fascinated and enamored with this one room in the house.
34:35
It's the it's actually the master bedroom, but because of how like when they
34:39
find it it's in, it's pretty damp. It's old, dirty and musty,
34:45
and even though Rory says that they can fix it up, Julia convinced
34:50
them not too because it's too damp and she doesn't really want to make that
34:53
into their personal bedroom. So they set up shop somewhere else, and she
34:58
like makes it her personal product to slowly clean up the room. At one
35:06
point though, Rory tries to help her clean up the room and he accidentally
35:10
cuts himself on a rusty nail in one of the support pillars in the room,
35:15
and his blood gets gets all over the place. And let me tell
35:21
you something, Rory is a is an upstanding guy. He's really cool,
35:23
doesn't deserve what he what happens to him, but he's a bit of a
35:27
bitch when it comes to blood. Dude almost like passes out at the side
35:30
of his own blood, and so she ends up taking him to the hospital
35:37
to get stitches. When she comes back and she comes into the room,
35:40
who does she find but the just desiccated corpse of Frank. And yeah.
35:51
So Frank basically even though he was trapped in that he was trapped in the
35:58
other planet existence with the cenobites because his brother's blood got spilled in that room.
36:04
It gave him enough energy to escape. But when he escaped, he
36:08
was just this like pile of meat and bones, all disgusting and ugly.
36:16
It's like, it's just one that was like one of the other scenes in
36:19
this book that made me go like, like visibly I made a face when
36:23
that's at this scene because like when he reveals himself to Julia, she freaks
36:28
out and he tells her, no, wait baby, it's me Frank.
36:34
You know the guys you know, your your husband's brother who you slept with
36:37
before you actually married my brother. Wow. And yeah, so he convinces
36:45
her to help him. So he tells her that he needs more blood because
36:52
blood was his brother's blood was what made him strong enough to escape the cenobites,
36:55
and he's gonna need a lot more blood if he's going to be able
37:00
to like fully recover and escape the influence of the cenobites. So, and
37:07
this is the part that like got to me about Julia, because even though
37:10
she was disgusted and horrified by the fact that her brother in law slash Lover
37:21
is now this horrid creature, like, she actually helps him without without much
37:30
resistance. She's just like, oh, well, I guess I just I
37:35
want to help him. And how does she help him? By luring men
37:39
into this house, drawing them up into that room, and then she would
37:45
kill them and when their blood is spilled in the room, Frank will absorb
37:50
the blood and he slowly reconstitutes himself. So she does this to like I
37:57
think she kills what like three or four men. Yeah, yeah, so
38:07
she and she would do this by like whenever Rory's at work, she would
38:12
go out to like a bar, meet a guy, convinced him to go
38:15
back to the house, and once they're in the room, Like the first
38:19
time she killed somebody, it was like, really she killed a guy.
38:22
It was really messy, and it's like she got blood. There was blood
38:25
everywhere, and the dude, I think the dude almost escaped the house.
38:29
And then Frank showed up and like just murdered the ship out of the guy
38:36
and like and then she rinsed and repeat with like three other guys, and
38:42
I think the and then the very very last man that she ends up killing
38:47
was Rory himself, which is sad. But before that happens, Kirsty she
38:59
she was coming thinking about Kirstie is that she was becoming a bit obsessed with
39:04
Julia and Rory, Like she was very infatuated with him, and she was
39:08
always trying to like really like get closer to Julia and and Rory by extension.
39:15
And at one point when she was coming, stopped stopping by their house
39:19
for a visit, she sees Julia taking one of the men into the house
39:23
and she was really shocked and realizing because like she assumed that I was that
39:28
Julia was having an affair, which kind of do you think about it?
39:36
But it's not important. So she ends up Kursy ends up sneaking into the
39:44
house and she stumbles upon the crime scene like they just killed a man,
39:53
and she barely manages to escape. And when she escapes, she actually she
40:04
snatches and steals the Lemurcan box and Frank freaks out and he's like, no,
40:10
don't do anything with that. If you do, it'll, like you
40:14
know, if he just gets really he gets really freaked out. She does
40:16
manage to escape, like the way she manages to escape from Frank. When
40:22
she grabbed the box, he was gonna he was coming at her, but
40:24
he stopped when she had it, and he tells her, like, put
40:27
it down, it's not safe, right, give me the box, and
40:30
she's like, oh you want this, ye. She eats the fucking box
40:35
out the window and he freaks out, and then that momentary distraction was enough
40:38
for her to escape the house, and she does escape. The thing is
40:43
she is. She does get hurt in her escape, and she ends up
40:46
in the hospital. And when the thing is when the paramedics found her,
40:52
she was clutching lemercan box with a death grip and they couldn't pry out of
40:55
her hands. So when she comes coherent, she wakes up to the hospital.
41:00
Doctors ask her a few questions, and she's very she plays dumb.
41:04
She actually she doesn't remember who she is to avoid revealing like like what she
41:09
saw and risking Julia and and by extension, Frank figuring out where she is.
41:17
So when the doctors leave her alone for a minute, she starts studying
41:21
the box and like a moron she's she opens it she like figures out the
41:27
puzzle and opens it and summons the Cenobites. And because when you open the
41:34
Lemmakins box, you either accept the Centavites offer of pleasure or they'll just simply
41:39
just take your ass to their to their reality and give it to you anyway.
41:50
So here this happens. The Centavites all appear in her hospital rooms.
41:57
She freaks out. They try to offer her their their pleasures. She refuses,
42:00
and they're like, all right, well you summon us, so we're
42:04
taking you anyway. And she's like, no, no, don't I know
42:07
where Frank is And they're like, yeah, right, we know where Frank
42:13
is too, and he's currently experiencing the pleasures he asked us for. And
42:16
she's like, no, Frank is not. He's not in his prison.
42:20
He escate And the Cenobites are like, if this is true, you need
42:25
to get you need to bring us, you need to provide proof. She's
42:30
like, I can get the proof for you, just let me go.
42:31
Let me go get it. And I'm like all right, well, we'll
42:36
give you twenty four hours and if you don't and if you don't find him
42:38
within that time period, we're taking your ass, So they let her go
42:44
and she ends up sneaking out of the hospital and going back to the house.
42:49
When she gets there, she's greeted by Rory and Julia, who are
42:53
both acting like nothing's wrong, and she confronts them and she tells Rory everything
43:00
about how Frank is like this desiccated corpse upstairs and Julia has been helping him
43:05
by killing by killing people, but Rory just brushes it off, and she's
43:08
like he's like, yeah, oh yeah, I know about I know all
43:13
about that, and it's been handled. Frank's Frank is dead, and Uli
43:17
and Kurt and Kirstie's like oh shit, like no, oh my god,
43:23
I needed him and he even Rory even shows her the dead body, and
43:29
she sees the body and like it's convincing, but she starts noticing something's enough
43:32
about what's up. I knew exactly whenever she walked in and that was happening.
43:38
Was like, dude, I was like they did it because did oh
43:44
gosh. He's like, well, I still need skin, Yeah, I
43:49
still need a skin so I can't walk around like this. And she's like,
43:52
well, what do you suggest And I was like, oh no,
43:54
oh no, yeah. Yeah. The thing is is that when she does
44:01
see Rory, she notices that he's pretty much covered in blood, and she
44:07
tells her that's when she confronts them both on like Frank and he tells her
44:10
like, yeah, he's upstairs. He's dead. I killed him. And
44:14
she sees the body and she's like, it's convincing. But when she looks
44:17
at Rory and the way he's acting, he's acting like really weird, and
44:25
I forgot what he said. I think he goes, come to day.
44:29
I think he says, come to daddy, right he does, Yeah,
44:32
he says come to daddy, come to Daddy. And that's when she's like
44:37
ooh, and she that's when she realized it was actually Frank. Frank wasn't
44:45
dead. He killed Rory and skinned him and now is wearing Rory's skin.
44:51
And I was just like when I read that, I was like, no,
44:54
no, not my boy, Rory. Oh these bastards. So now
45:06
Kirsty has to like is now in deep shit because Frank is gonna kill her
45:10
again. And the thing is is that when he's about to like he's about
45:17
to kill her, and she realized and that's when she realizes that that's that.
45:22
That's Frank, and she basically, uh, like Kirsty's running out of
45:29
time. The center bites are slowly starting to close in on her. She
45:32
can hear the bells and she can feel like it's like for her, it's
45:37
like there's chains constricting her throat and she knows she's about to get taken by
45:43
them. So she reaches out and she grabs him, and let me see
45:52
here, what does she do? Oh? Yeah, so she reads she
46:00
rips the face off of him. Yeah, she rips the face off of
46:04
him, revealing like his real face, and like the bells that she was
46:08
hearing, like she was only hearing them in her head, so no one
46:12
else could hear him. But then, like when she rips off the skin
46:15
on his face, the bells stop bringing in her ear and now she can
46:20
actually hear him in the house around her, and it's like, uh oh,
46:25
And that is when the cenobites up here, because that's when the centa
46:36
bytes appear. Because the chain that she felt around her neck is relaxed and
46:40
completely gone. She does have to like, she does have to like run
46:47
from Frank because he's still the cenobytes don't exactly close in on him right away.
46:55
He does attack her, and she has to avoid she has to avoid
46:59
him. She feel I was like, they're just playing with them, are
47:02
just playing with them? Yeah, And I think the I think the reason
47:08
why they didn't come for him right then and there is because they probably couldn't.
47:13
They wanted him to, like, they just wanted her to like yeah,
47:16
like you said, they were playing with them, But it wasn't until
47:20
she lures him back into that room. It's the master bedroom that they reappear.
47:24
Let's see. Let's see here. Let me let me double check them
47:27
a jump the check I in my book right here, if iron works still
47:37
exploding, the bill is still really she started upstairs and blah blah the stairs
47:43
flooring in and oh yeah, and uh, Frank kills Julia. He ends
47:53
up sucking the life out of her, full on mummy style, just like
48:00
even though Julia like was trying to help out, I was trying to help
48:05
him by stopping Kirsty Kirsty Like, Frank was gonna stab Kursty with a knife
48:15
and Julia was gonna hold her down, but Kirsty like sidesteps her and Frank
48:21
ends up stabbing Julia instead. And he doesn't really care. He just ends
48:25
up sucking the life out of her and continues his little game of cat and
48:29
mouse with kurtsty and let me see yep, cat and mouse. Blah blah
48:37
blah, la la dug where is the siege? She has a little bit
48:50
sorry just yep. Yeah, she lures him back into the main room,
49:08
so she hides. She hides in that in that like extra bedroom that they
49:14
kind of use as a storage room. Yeah, and she discovers the dead
49:17
body of one of the men. Yeah. It was like just like horribly
49:23
stuffed into one of the trunks. Yeah. But when she thinks that he
49:28
like that what that Frank is like no longer like in this this like in
49:35
that area of the house. She slips out and tries to go back down
49:38
the stairs to get out of there, but Rory ends up like popping out
49:43
of one of the other rooms and it's like there you are, come to
49:46
daddy, Yeah, because she started hiccuping. Yeah yeah, he finds her.
49:52
H anyway, so she ends up getting cornered in that in the master
49:58
bedroom. And also, like this is another reason why the center bites didn't
50:02
exactly go for Frank right off the bat it's because they wanted to hear him
50:07
say it's him, Frank. So when she got cornered in the master bedroom,
50:13
that's where Rory's corpse is, and when she accidentally trips over the corpse
50:17
and she looks at it and she says, oh, Rory, like,
50:22
and Frank is all like, that's right, Rory, and she said and
50:28
she's all like, Rory's dead. And he's like, hush, baby,
50:35
You're not Rory. We know that, but nobody else does. Who are
50:40
you then, poor baby losing your mind? Are you good thing too?
50:45
Who? Though it's safer that way? Who hush baby? Oh my god?
50:49
Like this dude was just gross. Yeah. Eventually he does say,
50:53
yes, Frank's here, baby, Frank, that's right, I'm Frank.
51:00
And that's that's exactly what the centa bites we're waiting for, because, uh,
51:08
you know, a second, a second after he says that, the
51:13
bell the bells start ringing again, and the and the light bulb in the
51:17
room flickers to life, and there she sees dun dun, dun, dun,
51:24
duntun. Let me see yea he hears a voice. He in trouble
51:31
now, yep, he hears a voice. It says it set his name
51:37
lightly, as if calling a child out to play. Frank and his face
51:42
dropped for a second time that night and put a look of puzzlement. A
51:45
flittic flitted across it and on its heels horror. Slowly, he turned his
51:51
head round to look at the speaker. It was a cento bite. It's
51:53
hooks sparkling behind it. Kursey saw three other figures, their anatomies catalogs of
52:00
disfigurement, and he Frank looks at Kirsty's like you did this. At this
52:07
point, the Centabites tell her to get lost. This is the this is
52:12
It's no longer her problem now, and Frank tries to attack her, but
52:19
he gets caught by a bunch of hooks and chains by from the centa Bites.
52:23
She ends up fleeing the room and h let me see here. She
52:30
looks back. She looks back and as she closes the room. He as
52:35
she closes the door, and she begins to hear him scream and like I
52:39
believe there's a point where she just sees him get completely ripped apart yea,
52:45
And she as she's fleeing from the house, it's starting to like basically like
52:51
destroy itself. Like, uh, let me see here. Yep, she
52:58
sees him get torn apart, and she's dagger downstairs. Those were tolling everywhere.
53:07
She used the bottom of again in the hall of the front door.
53:08
But as she came within splitting distance of freedom, she heard somebody call her
53:12
name. It was Julia. There was blood in the hall floor, marketing
53:15
the trail from the spot where Frank had abandoned her. And let's see here.
53:23
I believe one of the zenobites was like puppeting her Julia's body. Yeah,
53:31
it was. It was the main one to hit the creed or whatever.
53:37
The engineer, yeah, the engineer, yeah, the engineer. Yeah.
53:43
So it was puppeting her. And I think it wanted to, like
53:45
even though the cena bites promised to let Kirsty go, I think one of
53:49
them was going to try to like trap her anyway. Either way, the
53:58
the last thing Kirsty here's out of Julia's mouth is I'm the I am the
54:02
engineer. She did not wait for She did not wait to see what else
54:09
happens, because like Julia looked like she had her wedding dress on, but
54:14
she was all grotesque and just broken looking and just ugly and kirsty. She
54:22
instead runs out of the house and she breathes in fresh air. She looks
54:30
back at the house. She like runs down the street, and like,
54:34
when she comes to the end of it, she looks back at the house,
54:36
but it doesn't look any different. It's like, even though there was
54:38
all this crazy shit going on on the inside, the outside look completely normal.
54:44
And when she turns to to keep going, she ends up running into
54:53
a pedestrian. But it turns out this pedestrian was actually another puppet of the
55:00
Cena Bites, because when when this pedestrian bumps into her, he ends up
55:04
dropping the Lemurkin box in her hands. And so, yeah, so she
55:10
still has it, and let me see what does she do with it?
55:19
So it looks so it basically ends with her just she ends up keeping the
55:24
Lemrikin Box and she basically safeguards it to make sure that nothing like this ever
55:31
happens again. And and if it does, she wants, I guess,
55:37
like she wants to like make sure that nothing comes out of it. But
55:42
yeah, that's pretty much where the book ends. It was pretty gruesome and
55:46
like, yeah, so I know like there, I know there other like
55:53
plenty of other better they're better ways to describe the plot of the book.
55:57
And there's a lot of and there's cement. There's some other information that was
56:00
left out, mainly because some of it was too gruesome or too perverted to
56:07
actually share in this episode. This is a very adult themed book, very
56:15
like kids should not be reading this. No, it really and the movies
56:22
really don't do it justice. It really doesn't because well, I mean honestly
56:28
American, like Hollywood, any like movie Studio, They're not going to produce
56:35
a movie this gruesome, though I think they have before they have. Yeah,
56:40
well, you know this is I think the first one came out in
56:43
the eighties, but I think it's just like the first movie. Yeah,
56:47
didn't it come out in like the eighties or was the first Eraser? Yeah,
56:52
it was eighty seven, literally a year after the book was published.
56:57
Yeah, so I don't know, they've produced really fucked up movies, but
57:01
yeah, I think like none of them had Well wait, did they have
57:05
this much? Did those other movies have this much? Like erotic like body
57:09
horror, I mean grindhouse films, that genre of like exploited exploitive horror was
57:19
all kinds of like stuff similar to that that was like grotesque for the time.
57:23
So I mean this, yeah, so this I mean I would say
57:25
Hell Razor Or, the Hold on Heart's not so like its I wouldn't say
57:32
it's out as out of pocket. I don't know, man like with with
57:37
Hell Razor, Like I I there's literally been movies that have been worse when
57:46
it comes to body horror. I can list one franchise in particular, which
57:52
is the Palm Movies, because there's so much body horror in it that,
57:55
like I've only watched the first one all the way through. I refuse to
58:00
watch all the other ones just because I walked in once with my family watching
58:04
it and the dude's arms or somebody's arms were like in this contraption and the
58:09
arms were like turning slowly and you just you all this skin rip and then
58:16
the muscles, and I was like, like I couldn't. Like this was
58:20
like I was probably no more than like twelve years old, and I could
58:23
I could not. I could not handle it. And I realized real quickly
58:28
body horror is not really a thing for me. So like, if they
58:30
could make movies like that, like the Saw movies, then they could they
58:36
could have done the same thing with Hell Razor, to be honest, because
58:38
Hell Raiser, I don't think it's as extreme as it's just the sexual nature
58:44
of its sexual nature. Yeah, yeah, I don't think that any of
58:47
those other body horror movies really like incorporate that sexuality into it. The euroticism.
58:53
Uh yeah, Like that's an image I have, like a very like
59:05
visual I'm a very visual thinker, so I can imagine almost perfectly how a
59:09
scene is portrayed just by reading the book, and just that scene of the
59:15
paint of just the grotesque experience and rahnessism that subscribed in this book, I
59:21
could picture it, and I'm just like, oh, that's That's not an
59:23
image I'm gonna get out of my head anytime soon. So yeah, I
59:31
feel like, uh, I know you said, I know you said,
59:36
like one like production company in particular would be like fine for doing this,
59:44
But like in recent events, watching a few a twenty four films like fucking
59:52
Watching Men just kind of sealed the deal for me with that because I'm like
59:55
that was body horror that was I was like, oh, God, like
1:00:01
it. That movie will make you uncomfortable, so uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. Yeah,
1:00:08
it makes you extremely uncomfortable. And I was like, and I'm pretty
1:00:12
sure that that's what they were going for, But I'm pretty sure that they
1:00:15
could do. They could probably make this book into like the movie that we
1:00:20
that people who have read it wants to see. H That being said,
1:00:28
though, that remake, Oh that wasn't that was a great remake. Yeah,
1:00:32
that remake was good. I really like how they made it to where
1:00:37
like every time you solve one the like each configuration of Lemercan's box, it
1:00:45
transforms into another configuration and you have to like solve it again, and then
1:00:52
it also involves a sacrifice. I mean they talk about that in the book
1:01:00
though, because in the first chapter, whenever Frank was like solving it,
1:01:05
they do say how Frank had lured other people to solve this box. Yeah,
1:01:12
and like how many times he's had people solved this box to get to
1:01:15
the one that he wanted, because the one that he wanted was like was
1:01:22
the one where the cinabytes would come out and asked them like, what,
1:01:25
well, what do you want from us? So he had people solving this
1:01:31
box for a while until he got the centabytes. Yeah, fat so everyone.
1:01:47
So everyone liked the book. What was your thoughts on like, did
1:01:51
you like this? Was? Let this is everything I wanted in a hell
1:01:54
rasor book. I mean pretty much kind of like the first movie pretty much
1:02:01
so outside of like a few things that difford, but we'll get into that
1:02:06
when we get into the movie. But overall, I mean I liked the
1:02:07
book. It was it's like gay, it's so no, I wouldn't say,
1:02:15
well kind of gay, kind of the little gayness is in there.
1:02:20
Something it's in there, very sexual, which I mean five, are you
1:02:27
okay, mister Barker, are you all right? Like sir who hurt you?
1:02:36
He was gay in the eighties. I mean he was gay in the
1:02:40
eighties. I think a lot of things. Yeah, yeah, it's true.
1:02:45
Yeah, it's like you could only succeed as a gay man if you
1:02:50
were in Hollywood and he wasn't even in Hollywood. I know, I mean,
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I know it's true either way. Yeah, any final thoughts on this
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episode talking about The hell Bound Heart as a book, I loved it and
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was great. I want to read the Scarlet Gospels, which is like,
1:03:15
but there's also something else you have through before you read the Scarlet Scarlet Gospels
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and it's another book of C. Barker's work the inroduces another character. Because
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the Scarlet Gospels is like the hell Bound Heart and another book because the characters
1:03:29
from both of those are in that books. I need I have some reading
1:03:31
to do same here. But yeah, if no, if now y'all guys
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have any more, have any more final thoughts of big guys listening today's episode
1:03:45
and the hell Bound Hearts catches next week, if you will talk about the
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hell Raiser franchise films, mostly talking about the first and the newest one,
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mostly because honestly, two is okay, three is okay, and then after
1:04:08
that it just gets kind of bonkers the last one. So there's the hell
1:04:15
Bound Heart, there's the Scarlet Gospels, and there's hell Razor the Toll mm
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hmm. Those are the three in the hell Razor series. Yeah, but
1:04:29
for these Scarlet Gospels, you need to read one another book that introduces another
1:04:32
character, because it's like it's it'll be Pennhead versus another character from a totally
1:04:38
different book that he wrote too. So I don't know, I'll have to
1:04:40
ask my boyfriend the reading order of stuff because he knows the reading order of
1:04:43
all this, and he gave me a whole spiel and I'm like, oh,
1:04:45
I remember that. I don't remember that. Someone need I'm gonna need
1:04:48
to find out. I'm gonna find out because I was paying attention and then
1:04:56
foof gone. So but yeah, so thank you guys listening today's episode.
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Catch us next time. Let's talk about the movies. Until then, Bye
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bye bye, Pain and pleasure the same thing. I don't like pain.
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I don't do that. Oh my god. The audio book was narrated by
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Tom Holland. Tom, No, it wasn't was. I'm reading it right
1:05:28
now. It says it was released in audio book format on November six,
1:05:32
twenty eighteen. Narrated by horror film director Tom Holland. Oh it's a different
1:05:40
Tom Holland. Yeah, there's two Tom Hollands. There's the okay, not
1:05:45
the Little Boy Tom Holland. No, and we're not talking about the Spider
1:05:47
Man Tom Holland. We're talking about the director. Tom Holland. Yeah.
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Like Psycho to Child's play, this man read to me. Yeah, Oh
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god, I don't know how I feel about that now. Oh No,
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year by all