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Katie Woolf spoke with NT Police Cybercrime Craig Windebank · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio.
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  Speaker 2: NT Police Detective Sergeant of Cyber Crime, Craig Winderbank.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Craig.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, really well, thanks for joining us this morning.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that there's a bit of a warning for
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  Speaker 2: Territorians at the moment, a phone call or people ringing
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  Speaker 2: through to Territorians pretending to be certainly someone that they're not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've had a spade of offending at the
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  Speaker 3: moment where offenders are targeting Territorians. They're making fake telephone
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  Speaker 3: calls claiming to be from the ATO Home Affairs or
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  Speaker 3: even the NT Police and demanding payments of money under
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  Speaker 3: the threat of arrest. But what's particularly disturbing about this
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  Speaker 3: one is they're actually faking the police police station telephone
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  Speaker 3: numbers on the caller ID.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, so they're able to somehow fake those phone numbers.
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  Speaker 2: They've got whatever kind of you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what would you even call it equipment or something where
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  Speaker 2: they're able to use it to be able to hide
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  Speaker 2: the actual number they're calling from and make it appear
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  Speaker 2: as if they're calling from the police station.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, they're using a technique that lets them fake
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  Speaker 3: the caller ID and then they claim to be from
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  Speaker 3: the police station. And they even get the victim to
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  Speaker 3: actually google the number during the scam to confirm that
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  Speaker 3: they are a police in claiming to be police, and
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  Speaker 3: that adds legitimacy to their offending.
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  Speaker 2: The links that these people will go to are quite
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  Speaker 2: unbelievable to rip people off.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, this sort offending has been around for quite a while,
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  Speaker 3: but they keep modifying it and developing their offending to
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  Speaker 3: just keep one step ahead of us, I suppose.
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  Speaker 2: And so from the reports that you've had, obviously what's
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  Speaker 2: happening is they're you know, they're ringing these people. They're
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  Speaker 2: saying that they're either Home Affairs ATO or the police.
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  Speaker 2: And are they saying, oh, you've got an outstanding fine
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  Speaker 2: or you've got this money that you've got to pay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're making quite an urgent demand. They're saying you've
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  Speaker 3: got an outstanding fine, you've got tax that you haven't paid,
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  Speaker 3: or whatever it might be. They're then demanding the people
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  Speaker 3: paid immediately or they'll be arrested.
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  Speaker 2: What is the I mean, usually don't you get a
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  Speaker 2: letter in the mail if you've got an outstanding final
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  Speaker 2: something anyway. I mean, I don't have many outstanding fives,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm just trying to wrap my head around what
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  Speaker 2: the usual process might be.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean the police or the ATO aren't going
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  Speaker 3: to bring up and make demands like this. It's yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's sort of your first indication. I suppose that things
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  Speaker 3: are going wrong. You get a call like this demanding
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  Speaker 3: you pay the money instantly. It just doesn't happen. So
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  Speaker 3: if in any doubt at all, we say just hang up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, and is that the advice really for territorians? Just
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  Speaker 2: make sure that you hang up if you receive one
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  Speaker 2: of these calls, or if you're not one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely just hang up, terminate the call. Then if
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  Speaker 3: you're not sure, perhaps bring back that agency on a
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  Speaker 3: number you research yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Craig, have we had any instances in recent weeks where
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  Speaker 2: territorians have been fleeced of their hard earned cash as
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  Speaker 2: a result of this.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, We've been having reports of this on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 3: But this morning I had someone lose eight thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: reported losing eight thousand dollars for exactly this scam.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually really sad and you really feel for people
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  Speaker 2: because you think it's quite it's easy than we all
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  Speaker 2: think to actually sort of be scammed.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, they're very sophisticated in what they do. They're basically
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  Speaker 3: a business, I suppose in a way, and they're constantly
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  Speaker 3: developing what they do to keep ahead of us.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously we need to be vigilant.
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  Speaker 2: We need to make sure if we receive a phone
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  Speaker 2: call that we're not really sure about, hang up.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: If you've gotten outstanding, fine, get in contact with the
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  Speaker 2: police yourself, not through one of those phone calls.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, if you've got any doubt at all during the call,
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  Speaker 3: if they demand payments through unusual means, if the call
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  Speaker 3: doesn't seem right anything, it'll just hang up and then
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  Speaker 3: if you want call back the agency and a number
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  Speaker 3: you know yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Craig, we're just talking with Mattie Hipworth, our news
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  Speaker 2: man about Black Friday. We're expecting Australians and territories to
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  Speaker 2: spend up big. Also a time to be vigilant when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to sort of transferring money into places that
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  Speaker 2: you're not sure about.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's obviously going to be quite a bit of
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  Speaker 3: spending going on online and in response that defenders are
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  Speaker 3: setting up fake sites and fake on stores and things
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  Speaker 3: like that, so you really need to be vigilant. You
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  Speaker 3: need to double check before you send money to anyone
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  Speaker 3: that you're actually in the right place.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe just stick to those those trusted websites that.
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  Speaker 3: You know absolutely and just be cautious when you're on
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  Speaker 3: the internet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, by local, that's always a good thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: Solve the problem, it will.
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  Speaker 2: Craig Windo Bank, the detective sergeant with Cybercrime, always appreciate
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  Speaker 2: your time, mate, Thanks so much for coming in this morning.
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  Speaker 3: No ways, thank you.