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Huddle Up Podcast: Tuesday, April 26 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The Fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, JP Shacker, John Ojan and NFL Network analyst
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Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Buckey Brooks bring you the latest on
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Speaker 1: George Jackson Hill Jack Wars. Everything's got to be about
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Speaker 1: the future, has got to be about tomorrow and bringing
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Speaker 1: all that into focus as we know attack the season.
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Speaker 1: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome in
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Speaker 1: to the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Tuesday. Wait a minute, yes,
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Speaker 1: it's Tuesday, April J P. Shadrick with NFL Network analyst
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, Jaguars dot Com Senior writer John Osan. Subscribe
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Speaker 1: your podcasts. It is Tuesday. We've shifted the schedule around
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Speaker 1: a little bit. John for a drive time tomorrow on
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Speaker 1: Wednesday with Brian Sexton in Las Vegas, and we're getting
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Speaker 1: ready for Thursday night and around one of the NFL drafts.
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Speaker 1: We move this podcast John to Tuesday. Happy Tuesday. It's
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Speaker 1: important to get Vegas Sexton on from uh you know,
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Speaker 1: or Brian Sexton on from Vegas, and uh you know,
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Speaker 1: it's it's a crazy week, so you just things accordingly.
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Speaker 1: Most importantly, though, we have Starbucks Bucky on on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I think I think that I easily Trump's everything else
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Speaker 1: star Bucky. I mean, like, I'm glad I didn't even
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Speaker 1: know we could. We could uh solicitor or list and
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Speaker 1: paid sponsors. But yeah, like I like to have my
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Speaker 1: little um beverage before we come out there, Like we
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Speaker 1: can't miss it until we get a little a little
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Speaker 1: coin for there, like we can't give him free. And
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Speaker 1: he'll be rolling in here on Thursday. Right, that's right,
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Speaker 1: California East. That's right, California. Bucky is coming east. I'm
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Speaker 1: coming East. I won't have a lat in hand, but
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Speaker 1: I will have a yoga matt rolled up looking to
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Speaker 1: get a little, a little limber, little bindy on the beach. Baby,
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Speaker 1: we get ready for a big weekend. You know, that's
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Speaker 1: my favorite time of year. This is my favorite thing.
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Speaker 1: I get to do it in j Bil. This is
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Speaker 1: gonna be It's gonna be awesome with the number one
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Speaker 1: huge huge, I mean absolutely huge. So let's get into it,
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Speaker 1: you know, Friday after the pre draft lunch and they
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Speaker 1: said they were down to four players under consideration for
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Speaker 1: number one overall. And now over the weekend, different reports
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Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes, reports come out that there's different names,
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Speaker 1: and every report seems to be a different name of
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Speaker 1: those four that we think are the top four candidates
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Speaker 1: they're considering. But Bucky, is this normal? I mean, should
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Speaker 1: people freak out? It seems like people are freaking out
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Speaker 1: over this right now. I think there's natural to have
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Speaker 1: a little freak out, but I think the draft class
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Speaker 1: makes it where it is one that you kind of
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Speaker 1: want to freak out about. If there was a clear
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Speaker 1: and unquestioned number one player in this draft class, a
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Speaker 1: guy that we would perceive to be a generation no talent,
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Speaker 1: then you wouldn't have the freak out ability. Normally, those
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Speaker 1: generational talents that we talked about kind of tend to
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Speaker 1: come in the form of a quarterback or a pass rusher,
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Speaker 1: something in that. Like in this year's draft, we have
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Speaker 1: what I call a bunch of very good players, but
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we have that that that player
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Speaker 1: that we talked about changing the game, revolutionize in the
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Speaker 1: position when he steps into the league um and looking
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Speaker 1: at something that I did. In most instances, you have
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Speaker 1: anywhere from eighteen to twenty four guys that were raided
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Speaker 1: out as a first round pick. For me, I have
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Speaker 1: eighteen guys that rate out his first round picks, and
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Speaker 1: I would say eight of those guys kind of fall
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Speaker 1: into the category of the elite. And so when you
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Speaker 1: think about the elites being such a small number, it
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Speaker 1: makes it hard when you're trying to also figure out
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Speaker 1: value and need. For the Jaguars, the approach really centers
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Speaker 1: around the direction that they want to go before you
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Speaker 1: can think about the player. Do I want to continue
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Speaker 1: to build up the offensive line and put a fortress
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Speaker 1: in front of my generational talent and Trevor Lawrence? Or
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Speaker 1: do I want to find a way to help my defense,
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Speaker 1: because if we say the defense wins championships, we need
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Speaker 1: to start adding blue chip players on that side of
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Speaker 1: the ball. This conversation is compounded by the fact that
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Speaker 1: you have Cam Robinson who was under a franchise tag.
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Speaker 1: Are you going to sign him to a long term deal?
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Speaker 1: If you sign him to a long term deal, are
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Speaker 1: you wasting a number one pick if you take another
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. If you say yes, then you go to
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Speaker 1: the pass rusher. Then which pass rusher is going to
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Speaker 1: give you the value that you want from a number
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Speaker 1: one pick? Because remember when we think about the number
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Speaker 1: one pick, in your mind, you want to envision this
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Speaker 1: guy being a gold jacket guy, right, the closest thing
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Speaker 1: that we have to it. Like Tony Biselli just is
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Speaker 1: being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I
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Speaker 1: want to say he was too overall, but that is
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Speaker 1: the standard by which you should measure this pick. And
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Speaker 1: the guy that you hand the card in, in your
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Speaker 1: mind when he walks across that stage, is he someone
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Speaker 1: in fifteen to twenty years you envisioned him being called
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Speaker 1: to go to the hall. That's how the standards should be.
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Speaker 1: And so that's how you got to kind of base
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Speaker 1: it when you're looking at these guys and giving these grades.
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Speaker 1: But if you don't believe that that's up there, does
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Speaker 1: that change your thinking? And and just to clarify, I
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Speaker 1: think we all sort of think that the four are
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Speaker 1: uh Trayvon Walker, Georgia, Aidan Huddington Michigan, Ikey a Quanta
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Speaker 1: of North Carolina State, and Evan Neil of Alabama. We
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Speaker 1: never really said that yet, it feels that's the general
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Speaker 1: comp that's what you sort of think. And you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe Thibodeaus in the four maybe you know, but I
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Speaker 1: think it's those four if you look at it and
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Speaker 1: realistically don't see gold jacket guy. But does that change
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Speaker 1: how you think about this? Or am I getting too
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Speaker 1: far out there? No? So it goes from if you
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Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be a gold jack and guy,
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Speaker 1: is he a guy who can be a Pro Bowl performer?
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Speaker 1: Can he be a top five player in this position
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Speaker 1: in a reasonable time frame and three or four years,
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Speaker 1: can we talk about player X being in the top
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Speaker 1: five of his position, being wildly celebrated as one of
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Speaker 1: the best players in the National Football League playing the
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Speaker 1: position that he plays. That's how we should be evaluated.
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Speaker 1: Does he have the tools? Does he have the ability
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Speaker 1: to put up the kind of production that would warrant
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Speaker 1: him being in that conversation as a top five player
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Speaker 1: at that position? So wow, Yeah, I mean it's it's uh,
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Speaker 1: it's amazing in a way that the Jaguars, who I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of fans would say to the Jaggers
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Speaker 1: never get a break. Well, they got the ultimate break
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Speaker 1: last year when I got the number one pick with
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Speaker 1: maybe the has there been an easier pack? I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of the top five easiest picks
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Speaker 1: in the last twenty five years. Tory long Conn turn
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Speaker 1: that in in December, I mean, and absolute slammed. Maybe
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Speaker 1: luck was the same thing, Uh, Peyton, sure wasn't you
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Speaker 1: know a way back in the day, but a rushmore
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Speaker 1: of easy picks. Now, who knows how it turned out,
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Speaker 1: but to pick usself was easy. Two fast forward. It
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Speaker 1: maybe as hard as we've seen since I don't know,
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Speaker 1: jokel Fisher back in. I mean, but it's amazing that
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Speaker 1: it became this difficult. They've got this difficult this fast
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Speaker 1: because when I hear the arguments, you know, I I'll
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Speaker 1: be honest. We talked about it beforehand. Traymon Walker scares
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Speaker 1: me for a number of reasons, just because it feels
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Speaker 1: like workout guy is an element there. Uh, that's oversimplifying it,
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Speaker 1: but that's the thing that scares you. I like Hutchinson
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Speaker 1: because I feel like he's safe. You sort of feel
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Speaker 1: like Neil safe and you. But is a quantu safe
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Speaker 1: for you know? I guess I'll ask the scout if
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Speaker 1: you're picking, what's the guy? Who's the guy you if
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Speaker 1: you take the card to the table that you lose
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Speaker 1: the least sleep about until they put on pads on
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Speaker 1: the regular season opener, because that's that's the only time
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Speaker 1: you'll know. Yeah, that's don't saying you know so. So
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Speaker 1: typically when you you're at the top of the board,
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Speaker 1: and when we're talking about top five selections, So this
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Speaker 1: is whether the Jaguards are picking one or they're picking five,
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Speaker 1: like somewhere in the top five. Like what you're looking
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Speaker 1: for as a guy that is an all pro caliber talent,
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Speaker 1: And the way that you want to evaluate it is
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Speaker 1: you want to look at three different categories when you
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Speaker 1: just pop the tape. And this is for someone who's
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Speaker 1: not a scout. This is just casual looking. So do
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Speaker 1: you spot talent and so when I mean talent when
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Speaker 1: you're watching the tape, is there a wild factor to
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Speaker 1: the way this guy plays? Like it's simple scouting, Like
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Speaker 1: the first time you see him, within ten to fifteen plays,
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Speaker 1: you should be like wow, mm hmm, okay, I see
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Speaker 1: why they talk about them. The second part is then
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Speaker 1: you want to be able to look at the tools.
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Speaker 1: That is the size, the speed, the athleticism, the length. Um.
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Speaker 1: Does he have the prototypical tools that play at a
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Speaker 1: high level in this league. So if we think about
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Speaker 1: this player compared to the best players that we've seen
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Speaker 1: in his position over the last twenty years, how does
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Speaker 1: he measure up when it comes to the traits? So
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Speaker 1: does he have the tools? And in the final part
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Speaker 1: of it, which sometimes I believe is underrated, the production. Um.
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Speaker 1: Even though it's the draft and even though it's a projection,
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Speaker 1: the only way to really understand how someone can play
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Speaker 1: at the next level is the production that they put
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Speaker 1: up in the past. And I know we talked about
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Speaker 1: past performance doesn't guarantee future results, but you have to
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Speaker 1: have a track record. Typically, the guys that were the
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Speaker 1: best guys and Little league and the best guys in
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Speaker 1: high school and the best guys in college, they continue
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Speaker 1: to be the best guys in the pros. That that's
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Speaker 1: kind of what it is. And so do you have
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Speaker 1: a long track record of being able to see this
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Speaker 1: guy's performance where he was a dominant player. Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: have some rarities and some oddities. Like Josh Allen from
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, We're falling that category. But what we
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Speaker 1: want to do is when you're drafting, you want to
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Speaker 1: mitigate risks. So you want to eliminate all the other
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Speaker 1: stuff and then get down to it. So if you're
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Speaker 1: asking me which one would give me, UM the most
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Speaker 1: comfortable nights of sleep, I would say Aidan Hutchinson. Aidan
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Speaker 1: Hutchinson to me, Yeah, he's the one that checks off
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Speaker 1: the boxes. Right when I look at him on tape,
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Speaker 1: there's a wild factor because he dominated the level of
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Speaker 1: competition in the big tent. When I look at his tools,
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Speaker 1: people don't give him this And I think part of
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Speaker 1: this is because, like UM any evaluation process with scale,
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Speaker 1: sometimes we have a problem UM when we make comparisons
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Speaker 1: looking past racial lines to make comparisons. Right, So there's
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Speaker 1: certain words or co words that go with certain guys
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Speaker 1: that may look a certain way, come in certain packaging.
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Speaker 1: So for Hutchinson, all we hear in the evaluation try
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Speaker 1: hard effort technique or whatever. When when you look at
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Speaker 1: the numbers, he's one of the best athletes in this
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Speaker 1: draft class. His three cone in short shuttle times they
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Speaker 1: overwhelm some of the wide receivers that we're talking about
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Speaker 1: being elite players. We don't talk about him as an
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Speaker 1: elite athlete, but he's an elite athlete. So for me,
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Speaker 1: of all the ones who checked the box, he checks
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Speaker 1: his all the boxes while factor tools production, he had
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Speaker 1: fourteen sacks. To me, it's a slam duck. You take
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Speaker 1: him and then the football character checks out. He's outstanding.
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Speaker 1: So to me, it would be a no brainer that
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Speaker 1: he could be and should be the number one over
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Speaker 1: a pick. If Hutchinson had had to fourteen sacks seasons
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Speaker 1: rather than one, would there be any question? I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean like it's it seems like people
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Speaker 1: are just nitpicking the guy. I I keep going back
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Speaker 1: to J. J. Watt and they had a double digit
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Speaker 1: sax season college. You know, So anyway, I interrupted your answer, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: what do you think another thing? Bucket's like, double digit
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Speaker 1: sacks seasons in college are not They don't grow on trees.
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Speaker 1: It's not like every guy can go do those like
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Speaker 1: those don't happen all the time right right now. In
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Speaker 1: a perfect world, you would ask me, John, the guys
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Speaker 1: who who've done it for a long time and had
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Speaker 1: tremendous success. So Von Miller, Von Miller coming out of
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Speaker 1: college man, I've had thirty four sacks, multiple seasons of
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Speaker 1: double digits. Like you can see, like when the resume
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Speaker 1: is real solid, you feel great about it. Toorell Suggs
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Speaker 1: when he came out of Arizona State was the all
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Speaker 1: time sack leader at the collegiate level. Easy to make that.
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Speaker 1: And I actually learned from the guys that were there before,
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Speaker 1: Shack Harris and all those guys. They say sack production
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Speaker 1: is the one set that translates into the National Football League.
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Speaker 1: Now to your point, in this class, there's no one
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Speaker 1: who has sustained sack production over multiple years. So all
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Speaker 1: of these guys are kind of one year wonders when
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Speaker 1: it comes to looking at their sack numbers. Adan Hudson
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Speaker 1: had a great final season in Michigan season before where
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Speaker 1: he was hurt. He saw flashes his early season, so
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Speaker 1: you didn't really get it. Um we think about on
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Speaker 1: tip of though it was all sub ten sax seasons,
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Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It wasn't the stats stuffer resume that
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Speaker 1: you wanted. And so all of these guys can kind
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Speaker 1: of be categoried as one year wonders. Even when we
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Speaker 1: go to the office side of the ball, whether whether
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Speaker 1: it's Ikey Kwanu or Evan Neil. I can pop the
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Speaker 1: tape on Ikey Kwanna watching North Carolina, he gives up
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Speaker 1: two sacks against the guy that I don't know if
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a Sunday player. But you look at
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Speaker 1: the traits, all that stuff stands out Evan Neil. Evan
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Speaker 1: Neil doesn't get people excited because he's kind of steady Eddie.
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Speaker 1: But there's some little things that kind of show up.
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Speaker 1: And so for all of these guys, there's some things.
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Speaker 1: But when we go through just that thing, talent tools production,
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Speaker 1: to me, Adan Hutchinson rates out above the rest of
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Speaker 1: the players in consideration. Sell me on trade line tra
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Speaker 1: everyone walking. The big sale would be what he could be.
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Speaker 1: Meaning athleteis m um size, his ability to change direction,
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Speaker 1: the explosiveness. He is a mulible ball of clay. Depending
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Speaker 1: on how much you um value your D line coach,
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Speaker 1: um your D line coach has the ability to develop
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Speaker 1: and get people to play at a higher level. Is
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Speaker 1: a teacher, then you feel good about what he could
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Speaker 1: be at the next level. By all accounts of Princon,
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Speaker 1: Bucklin is a great teacher. Done it has a track
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Speaker 1: record of having success with the guys that he's worked with,
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Speaker 1: But there's no certainty with Trayvon Walker because you haven't
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Speaker 1: seen him do it. He has six sacks his final season.
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Speaker 1: I think he entered the NFL with nine total sacks.
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Speaker 1: And so when you think about someone being the number
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Speaker 1: one overall pick, if you're drafting him to be a
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Speaker 1: pass rusher, that's one thing because you don't necessarily have
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Speaker 1: that track record. Now, he could turn out to be
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Speaker 1: a Davian Clowney type. J. Davian Clowney was drafted number
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Speaker 1: one overall. He's never necessarily had double digit sacks, but
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Speaker 1: he's been a dominant run defender. And there's value to
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Speaker 1: being able to stop to run and make explosive plays
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Speaker 1: and negative plays and create disruption early down especially do that.
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Speaker 1: And I think out of this class, now that you
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Speaker 1: said that it makes out of this class, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think Clowney overall, most NFL fans, most NFL people
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Speaker 1: would say probably hasn't quite lived up to number one overall. Uh.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, peopleho know football will tell
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Speaker 1: you not been a bad player at all. And and
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Speaker 1: what Bucky said, a good player on defenses and can
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Speaker 1: help you. And he was banged up earlier in this
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Speaker 1: career a lot out of this draft considering this situation,
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Speaker 1: meaning you don't feel like there's a gold jacket guy
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Speaker 1: in that type of or you're not sure there is.
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Speaker 1: I if Walker had Clowney's career, and I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: how long has been since, Uh Clowney came out ten
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Speaker 1: years ish saying that rang in a decade. If Walker
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Speaker 1: had clowneyes career, would you feel good about that as
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Speaker 1: a number one overall pick? I think you can live
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Speaker 1: with it. Well, I mean, here's the way to think
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Speaker 1: about it. When was the last time the Jaguars had
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Speaker 1: a draft pick that lasted ten years on the team. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so you get the yeah mester or something like that, Mercedes.
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Speaker 1: So let's look at Jadevian Clowney and game in ten
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Speaker 1: maybe he has I think eight years. He has forty
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Speaker 1: one career sacks. Um, he's been a three time Pro bowler. Uh.
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Speaker 1: He has played at a level where we have how
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Speaker 1: many hits on the quarterback? A hundred and five hits
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Speaker 1: on the quarterback, which that's a pretty good number. You know,
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Speaker 1: most of those years he's been above nineteen almost twenty
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Speaker 1: when he's when he's played, so he's getting to the
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Speaker 1: quarterback and creating some level of this eruption. Uh tackles
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Speaker 1: for loss, which falls in that category. He has eighty
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Speaker 1: six tackles for loss in his career. So when we
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Speaker 1: think about the way the game is played, the game
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Speaker 1: is played about creating negative plays and splash plays. So
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Speaker 1: the sack production isn't necessarily there, but those eighty six TFLs,
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Speaker 1: that's significant because it creates long yarded situations and put
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Speaker 1: your team and pass rush mode on those third and
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Speaker 1: critical downs. Yeah, you can live. You can live with that.
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Speaker 1: The many things that you're not Yeah, what you're trying
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Speaker 1: to do at the top of the board, Um, because
17:33
Speaker 1: we were down there in TPC Saw Grass Company. We
17:36
Speaker 1: just want to put in the fairway, Like we just
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Speaker 1: don't need to hit it in the water. We just
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Speaker 1: want to put it in the fairway so we have
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to score. And so you just want a
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Speaker 1: good player, a player that's gonna come in and be
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Speaker 1: a key starter in a viable contributor. I can give
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Speaker 1: you those high standards of what you really want, but
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Speaker 1: if the player plays at a high level where he
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Speaker 1: gets All Star consideration. To me, that's a win and
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Speaker 1: for us the way that we look at drafting of
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Speaker 1: late haven't been a lot of wins, so we just
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Speaker 1: want to get a win. We want to get players
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Speaker 1: that can be there for their second contract to be
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Speaker 1: the nucleus of a team that eventually competes at a
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Speaker 1: championship level. Yeah, I mean, William, I mean it was
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Speaker 1: the last time the Jacks had a three time Pro bowler.
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Speaker 1: Been a minute? Been a minute? Yea. The Jaguars are
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Speaker 1: future focused and ready for a new look in to
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Speaker 1: Live draft analysis, on stage appearances, head coached Peterson, So
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Speaker 1: like Jaguars players, Buck Brooks will be there and then
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Speaker 1: stick around for the draft our live analysis on Jaguars
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Speaker 1: dot Com after the Jaguars first round pick. Bucky will
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Speaker 1: be there as well. Bucky's everywhere this weekend registered Jaguars
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Speaker 1: dot Com slash official Draft Party. They may have to
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Speaker 1: clone Bucky. I saw his schedule and it's yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: analytics on clone. You're gonna get your miles in, bring
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Speaker 1: a predometer. It's it's a lot. So um, John, you
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Speaker 1: brought up something and it made Dick so Mario Williams.
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Speaker 1: So let's use Mario Williams as as the example because
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Speaker 1: I think it made me think. So Mario Williams. When
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Speaker 1: he came out of NC State number one over number
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Speaker 1: one overall pick, he finished his career state with twenty
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Speaker 1: five and a half sacks. His final season he had
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Speaker 1: fourteen and a half sacks, like just and he had
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Speaker 1: fifty five tackles were lost and those things. So then
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Speaker 1: he goes to the pros and you know, it's funny
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Speaker 1: because people talk about him like he really didn't do anything.
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Speaker 1: But then I look up he was a four time
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Speaker 1: pro bowler. Yeah, he finished with ninety seven and a
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Speaker 1: half sacks. Better he had five seasons with double digit
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Speaker 1: sex fourteen, twelve, ten and a half, thirteen, fourteen and
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Speaker 1: a half, And so when we talk about him, he
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Speaker 1: does fly in the rater. Hit a hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: one tackles were lost. That is a perfect example of
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Speaker 1: one that doesn't sound like a home run. But man,
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Speaker 1: I think everyone would sign up for that kind of
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Speaker 1: production from a guy on the edge. Yeah, that feels
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Speaker 1: like Hutchinson to me, like the forty second most sacks
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Speaker 1: of all time. I mean, seriously, I'm looking at it
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Speaker 1: like obviously Bruce Smith is number one and also shows
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Speaker 1: you the cruelty they can go along with being number
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Speaker 1: one overall. If he'd been numbered two over are all,
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Speaker 1: he's probably perceived his entire career is a really good play.
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Speaker 1: But because he was taken over Reggie Bush and Big
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Speaker 1: Young and it was a lot of controversy when he
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Speaker 1: came into the league, and he was probably a better
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Speaker 1: overall player than there's two guys in the league. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I think about all that counts, he was a better player.
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Speaker 1: Ninety seven and a half sacks, that's big time production.
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Speaker 1: Who else was taking an O four around him? Uh?
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Speaker 1: You know, I think and I know that was the
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Speaker 1: Reggie Bush them, because those were the two, those were
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Speaker 1: the two big ones. It was Reggie was Reggie Bush.
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Speaker 1: It was uh the man line a draft. Um gee,
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Speaker 1: let's look it. I gotta pull this up. Yeah. Marie
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Speaker 1: Williams m hmm. Well it wasn't the old four draft
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Speaker 1: because that was Eli oh five live researchers six and
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Speaker 1: oh six, wowkay oh six, Mario one, Reggie Bush two
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Speaker 1: to the Saints, Vince Young to the Titans, the Brickishaw
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Speaker 1: Ferguson the tackle from Virginia to the Jets, a j
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Speaker 1: Hawk to the Packers, the linebacker Bernon Davis, Michael Hough,
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Speaker 1: Dante Whitner. So he's probably the right choice. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you look at you're looking at all these guys, Caaron Windley, um,
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Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis for the Jacksrcedies could have gone number one overall. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we I mean, we look at it, Tomba Ali. That
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Speaker 1: was just the point. The point is, at that position,
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Speaker 1: you may not necessarily be getting a dead solid lock
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Speaker 1: Bruce Smith walking the Hall player, but if you get
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Speaker 1: that level of production out of one of these guys,
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Speaker 1: then that's okay too. And that's probably more of a
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Speaker 1: comp then Myles Garrett out of this class. So anyway,
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Speaker 1: thanks to some dead air we got to that point.
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Speaker 1: That's okay, Well we can edit that up. It's a podcast. Hey,
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Speaker 1: So coming up this week, we've got plenty of coverage
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Speaker 1: leading into the NFL Draft Wednesday, drive time, eleven o'clock
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Speaker 1: John Tomorrow on Jaguars dot Com. Yeah, we'll have Brian
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Speaker 1: Sexton from Las Vegas on the air, and uh, if
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Speaker 1: you can get him off the craps table, well it's fair,
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Speaker 1: that's fair. It's a problem at some point, but uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: so they'll be that and then we'll be uh swinging
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Speaker 1: away for a double on Draft night. Yeah, we got
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Speaker 1: And then Thursday we got a Happy Hour at four o'clock,
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Speaker 1: our normal hour live radio show, and Trent Bark is
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Speaker 1: gonna join in and I'll tell you to pick right.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what will happen, right, um. And then the
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Speaker 1: Draft Special on television from seven thirty to eight, not
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Speaker 1: on television, excuse me, Jaguars dot com. And then the
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Speaker 1: Draft Radio special from seven to midnight on Tin to
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Speaker 1: excel um and then we'll be live after the pick,
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Speaker 1: immediate reaction and We'll be at the draft party on
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Speaker 1: Thursday night. That's a long night. And then of course Friday,
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Speaker 1: whoever the pick or picks are come in for their
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Speaker 1: press conference on Friday, either Friday or Saturday. Could be
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Speaker 1: Saturday this year, because if they're in Vegas, trying to
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Speaker 1: get back here from Vegas on Friday and time it
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Speaker 1: is difficult. So I'm told that press comment is spending
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Speaker 1: on player, just that people know what to expect depending
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Speaker 1: on the player and where they are Draft night, that
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Speaker 1: press or the introductory press or that it's always fun,
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Speaker 1: it's always a big event. Will either be Friday or
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Speaker 1: early Saturday morning. We'll figure that out of course, after
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Speaker 1: the wrap up each night. We'll have the wrap up
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Speaker 1: podcast at the end of each draft day on the
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Speaker 1: official Jaguars Podcast networking Jaguars dot com. Hey, Bucky, what
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Speaker 1: do you have left on NFL Network to get done?
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Speaker 1: Where is the hey in the barn? Here the hey
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Speaker 1: he's pretty much in the barn on my last my
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Speaker 1: draft um there with the drag Buars picking um number
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Speaker 1: one overall. So you're not gonna say who you want
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Speaker 1: me to say? No, I mean, it's up to you.
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Speaker 1: That's a nice teaser. I get it. When is it?
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Speaker 1: When is it drop? When does it drop? I wish
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Speaker 1: you could be Jamison with you too. Man I went,
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Speaker 1: I went, I went to conservative, and I went to
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Speaker 1: route that John and I talked about way way way
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Speaker 1: back at the combine where they took an offensive tackle.
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Speaker 1: But the offensive tackle I picked was Ikey Kwanu. And
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Speaker 1: the reason why is because when you listen to Doug
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Speaker 1: a couple of times, Coach Peterson has talked about a man,
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Speaker 1: the thing that you can't do is you can't miss
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Speaker 1: on this pick and that number one guy has to
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Speaker 1: be a starter. And there are more ways to ensure
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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman to start and be functional than a
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Speaker 1: pass rusher. And so when you think about Ikey Kwana
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Speaker 1: in the current construction of the offensive line, day one,
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Speaker 1: you can put him in left guard. You can put
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Speaker 1: him in left guard. He can play beside Cam Robinson,
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Speaker 1: you can go play you Gott Brandon shut on the
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Speaker 1: right side. Whoever you want to start at right tackle,
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Speaker 1: whether it's table, whether it's walking a little, you feel good.
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Speaker 1: You have a center and now one thing you can be.
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Speaker 1: You can be pretty bad up front in terms of
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Speaker 1: being able to like badass up front in terms of
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Speaker 1: being able to move people off the ball, and then
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Speaker 1: depending on what you do with Cam Robinson. If Cam
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Speaker 1: Robinson is signed to an extension, then maybe if he
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Speaker 1: eventually moves over to right tackle, but either way you
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Speaker 1: have options. I just think you have to go back
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Speaker 1: and look at the coaches d n A when they
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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. They had the best offensive line
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Speaker 1: in football. They had Lane Johnson on one side, they
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Speaker 1: had Jason Peter on the other side, they had Jason
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Speaker 1: Kelsey at center, and they were able to do whatever
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Speaker 1: they wanted to do running and passing because they can
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Speaker 1: control the trenches. And you can't tell me when you
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Speaker 1: have a talent like you having Trevor Lawrence, that you
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Speaker 1: don't want to continue to upgrade to look at all
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Speaker 1: the people that have come in to help him in
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Speaker 1: the passing game will continue to do that by building
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Speaker 1: a fortress in front of him. Now you can go play.
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Speaker 1: So instead of thinking about building the team up in
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Speaker 1: a balance aspect, be great on one side of the ball,
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Speaker 1: and the easiest way to get great is at all
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Speaker 1: your resources to upgrading the offense so at least you
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Speaker 1: can score points and maybe that gets you to a
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Speaker 1: competitive level, and then you can attack the defense the
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Speaker 1: next year. You know what we might be doing around
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Speaker 1: here on Thursday, JP suf oh John, Well, if you
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Speaker 1: listen to the Bucky right there makes sense. It might
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Speaker 1: be the Bucky and Nicky Sha. It makes sense. I've
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Speaker 1: watched even though he went to that, even though he
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Speaker 1: went to that other school. I'll forgive him. He he
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Speaker 1: comes in and plays at a high level, I'll let
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Speaker 1: him earn let him earn off some of those de
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Speaker 1: marrius that he got for electing to go to North
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Speaker 1: Carolina States. Grown up in Raleigh, Were you an NC
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Speaker 1: State fan or a Chapel Hill fan? Absolutely not. There's
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Speaker 1: nothing about NC State that appealed to me. Ever, I've
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Speaker 1: been Atario through and through nothing even before you went
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Speaker 1: from from from birth grew up. There's nothing about that
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Speaker 1: little school, at least I can refer to it by name.
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Speaker 1: I don't have that the school up north or whatever
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Speaker 1: some other schools. The duke not let you in Buck.
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Speaker 1: Is that what happened? I've been taught. I've been taught
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Speaker 1: that you should never say no comment. But I don't
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Speaker 1: have a lot of commentary on that one. Dear, John, Hello,
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Speaker 1: I love it. That'll do it for our podcast today. Bucky,
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Speaker 1: we're looking forward to seeing you down here in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: Stay caffeinated and we'll see you a couple of days. Absolutely. Man,
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Speaker 1: you guys have fun. That's Bucky Brooks John Osier for
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Speaker 1: Joe Fortunado. I'm J. P. Shadrick. Thank you for listening
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Speaker 1: to the Huddle Up Podcast.