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Shulchan Aruch Orach Chaim 252:2-7 · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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Okay. Good morning.
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This year is sponsored for your foolish Lima to avraham yehezkel
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been elisheva, Basia. Okay.
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We're in a race. None bet.
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Simulation. But Steve back, Charlie, 10
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because David has any who developed our Parish
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illumination, a dramatic end to give your clothing to the
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cleaners to the non-jewish cleaners.
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Of course, that's the severe of the seamen and or to tan your
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leather stomach like a Shaker, even if it's right before
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Shabbos in cassatt's load the meme.
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If you specify It in a mountain. That's how it works at the
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cleaners nowadays. Well show.
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So tell him. It's about Hanna.
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Are you going to exterior exchanging favors so it's the
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same same. Did me like this whoosh?
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Hello Marlowe. Lassiter.
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The Shabbat, but you can't tell them specifically to do it on
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Shabbos, the gum, she has a, any hoodie America veto.
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And obviously the Judah non-jew has to be doing this.
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In his home, not your home. So it doesn't look like, you
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asked him to do it on chaga, so he's working for you as a
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employee. And if you give it to him right
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before Shabbos and you tell him, I need it ready right after
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Shabbos. So that's also a sir because
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it's really the exact same thing as saying into a novice, but you
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didn't give him any time to do it before or after okay.
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Continues Ramada of am look at sites but if you didn't specify
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in if you didn't make it like a cobbler notes but for a set
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amount. Again, you don't have to
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actually say the exact amount, you just have to tell him,
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you're going to pay him something reasonable.
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Or they understand that it's reasonable ass, or the Arab
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Shabbat, then you can do it up Shallow, so we learned before
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the year show. And now, then, he says, is
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hooking in my cellar behind him. Die - etana.
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And some say you're allowed to. If, it's if it's, it's for free
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because it is two of us are no, the even when I was a lost a
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shoe, but you may also be true. But you're not sorry.
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Kumar Julius about the Shabbat and if you see him doing the
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work for you, And he's doing it as a favor.
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So then you should tell him to stop doing it and not to do it
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on Travis for you. I got a few in the to nominal
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comma, yummy, Mutiny Shabbat, even if you gave it to him on
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Sunday and you see him doing it specifically for you as it's
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about an hour, then you should tell him to stop.
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Okay. All right, because he's doing it
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for free. That's where it's where more
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makhmur. If you see him doing it because
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since it's doing it for free, it's as it looks like or it
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could be as if he's doing it looks more.
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Like he's doing it for you, give them the Emi tomalak on the for
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Summit. We are Jewish.
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I used to sell if the non-jew is doing work for you on Shabbos
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and everyone knows that he's doing it for you, it belongs to
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you, it's for you. They also tell him, I'll come
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there for some and people can see See.
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It's so then table have come here with Alice or so then it's
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good to be strict and 24. Tell them not to do it because
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the Koch the people will think solid, right me Gardener would
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be okay because your code States dominant, but we're makhmur
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because everyone can see and knows that it's specifically
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belongs to a Jew dollar course shortcuts.
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When you make this agreement, your code States Alpha.
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LP she asks any remarkable Shabbat when Angie does it on?
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Chavez muta'ali, sorello, Basha cleavage about asthma.
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So then once it's done already, even though it's done on Shabbos
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since it was done bad, you're allowed to wear.
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And I'm Travis the coach urkhart starts a diet Eden of sheikha of
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each because the non-jew did it for himself to make money and
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and it was done better so it's not a problem.
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Summer makhmur and States Arthur to wear on Shabbos if you know
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that it was done on Shabbos with surgical Hampton with issue.
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But basically she has and according to this, you should
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have to wait until motor Shabbos.
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The amount of time it will take for him to do it for you on
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Shabbos. And notice how I think it's
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cast. So what s ass exactly?
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It's a canals because people because I want to say for sure
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for sure but it looks like because it was car Shabbos.
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I don't know. - I'm that's the canals.
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So that's okay, it's Erica hunting women to Asia, but
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because they, she asked the hockey in a hookah had fever.
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That's the men I work at healer. You shouldn't use it in the age,
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even worse. It's a refillable Shabbat she
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has a Shaka but if you need a free service it is Chavez.
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So then you're allowed to. So it's almost like saying it's
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okay. The in haste leaflet says, nygma
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the Earth Shabbat, right? The point is if you have 10 jet
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10 suits to wear and you really don't need it.
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So then that's when it seemed to be mocking me seeing ye shall
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eat lunch Enigma are bearish about, but if you could say
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that, maybe he finished, it are of Shabbos.
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Then for sure, muhtar befallen on us, for sure.
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No reason to be mothma whatsoever.
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Okay, with DACA in sugar low and you deliver 80 this is only if
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the non-jew brings it to your house.
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How about a surly cocktail him? Me beta alumina, which the body
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on top, but you're not allowed to go to the store or is house
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and pick it up on Shabbos itself, right?
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Was a crash people. It looks like you asked him to
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do it for you because xebec ailing Shah Celly cel.
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This is when you give him, this is when when are we trying to be
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mocked? When is there a time to be
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makhmur? It's it's only when the Jew gave
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it to him, gave him the supplies and wanted him to do it for him.
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Well, anywho the show tsamina Mina Al Imam, Al Hanukkah.
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But if the non-jew does it on his own completely it's his own
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material you mix it on his own. So then right so we're going to
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the store you didn't hire him for nothing yet.
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He is Into a store, so then will totally sell him a killer left.
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A government official bottling all you had to go to a store on
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Shabbos and pick up whatever you want the by actually Cuts in
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modern-day America has long as you don't specify how much it's
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going to cost. You don't talk about money and
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you come back after Shabbos and you figure it out and you pay
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Okay, let me see, Mr. Bridges points out that.
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Even if, if the shoe was a photographer, a shoe, for
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example, or whatever you're wearing, if it was completely
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move for the most part, the shoe was wearable and ready, just
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wasn't like polished and, you know, totally fixed up.
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That's, that's not a. Then you have it if it was done
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on Shabbos for sure. For sure.
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For that, you do not have to be Malcolm or not to wear them.
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Okay? Hey, Who muhtar liftoff.
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Mind lagina behind Em? Sock Em robots.
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Okay so there's this thieves, interesting.
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He says, here, you're allowed to open up your, your water, your
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hose to water, your garden will see how this applies to
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sprinkler systems. So certainly a drip system, for
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sure, this applies to, okay, let me ask you, are you leave the
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flow of the water? Some are so that's for the Gina,
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that's what your garden. Lenny, a killer some shorter.
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Fortunately, a line you lot of put some kind of medication over
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your eyes. That's a very aligned That
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person is Alpha P, shastri, Lenny whole shebang, even though
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the screen is a certified on Chavez, you're allowed to put it
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on before Shoppers, well at a-put, we're talking to kill
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him, the himegami million colors Shabbat, you're allowed to also
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put up a spices even on fire and let it keep going and giving an
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aroma in the room throughout Shabbos.
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That's not a problem with a feeling which one will not
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quickly Even if it's if it's in a clear day in a dumb, it's
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silver, Auschwitz are scaling because there's no problem again
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of shmita, scaling. All right, so having your dishes
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work for you. Well, at eight-story magita
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short time, but I have barley to let them soak in a barrel or
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whatever a bowl. And it's soaking in water to for
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it to be separated, you lie to put that on before Shabbos and
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let it soak through out. Travis the tan in the coral,
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bata bata Gaudin, Belgium z18 Donovan, And you're allowed to
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put on the beams on a heavy beams in order to finish the
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squeezing process which number of points out, just to avoid the
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later on when we get to a skate over.
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Going to see that sometimes you're not allowed to use the
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liquid that comes out if it was squeezed out on Shabbos.
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So the mission was just a real simple.
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This case is, let's say you already started squeezing out.
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The grapes are olives, before Shoppers and now you're letting
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just the Heavy beams sit on them.
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So it continues the finishing so squeezing out process.
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So again, your kahlan are working for you on Shabbos,
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right? Then they're going to produce
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you wine and oil, olive oil. So that's okay.
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Vice-chairman by yawning. It's a man with our and you're
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not even use that oil and wine that comes out on Chops, okay?
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In both their oh, Millie Lord, Charisse convert your material
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magic. Mm-hmm.
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Okay, so all these cases you're allowed to.
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You're allowed. To start the squeezing out
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process and let your kalium have it.
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Continue to move, Charlie takes key to my truck.
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I'm sure my son of Oishi. Now you had these is Mills for
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wheat to crush the kernels and they had it spinning on Shabbos
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with I guess the flow of water, a river water falls, some sort
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and that kept it spinning and it's working for you on Shabbos
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and you're allowed to put the week there, right before the
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Colonel's right before shot. Elvis and throughout Shabbos.
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It's going to be doing your work for you.
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Socio-economic rights 100% permitted.
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I've is all this. There's no there's no there's no
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one's working for you. There's no issue of a non-jew
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working for you or if we were there's no scar.
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Shabbat is no, we're not afraid of people to you told someone to
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do anything and we know that there's no history of sherita's
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killing. Okay?
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I ha ha. Now there are not going to have
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a little bit of a different take on this last category, in
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particular, the look, I soon unless you Marco.
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So, the gemara has this phrase, optional touch, the same thing
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as Hashim, odd call their Tech, making a loud sound, it's idea
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of. So the so the Roma points out.
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According to this is according to the show kinara, he is not
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worried about making sound noise, even know you have Having
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your Appliance you're having your your your Calum.
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Machinery is working for you on Chavez and it's noisy and
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everyone knows everyone here's what's going on.
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It's not a problem because everyone knows.
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The halacha should be that kalium.
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No problem even though it makes noise, it's not worried about
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how she might call Shamrock. I'm Chapleau Nieto ha not miss
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Shabbat or not worried about people saying he probably put
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the weed on on in the middle of Chagas because everyone knows
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he's a from June. There's no reason to suspect
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them. Okay.
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The age of 3. Mm, very high over.
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Hamakom she is Locker / Matco. So the Rama.
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This is an important. So he writes that we know there
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is another opinion and he subscribes to it.
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That if it's going to make noise, we're worried about.
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But uh, sir. So what are we worried about
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what is hashemites call? So generally, it's pointed out
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as to possibly stirring or are, they are just depends, which
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Which, which and one applies in which case, either marzian like
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you said or zoo of Shabbos Russian of, I'm a excellent
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addition, the hockey puck look at Gila and that's the main hug,
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look at him. So there are less had hero cares
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about any Appliance for any Machinery, that makes the noise
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on Shabbos. Now there's no rule of, you
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know, what, the decibel is, how loud it is.
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It's any time, it makes not this.
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Under interpretation and a lot of it depends on the Min.
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Ugh that's really what it mainly depends on obviously rabbinic
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influence and what they Min ago, Malcolm fishermen ago Malcolm
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and what the Rabbani recommend. Obviously those are really the
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two defining factors for when according to the Roma now,
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really I want to point out many think that the shokan Eric
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doesn't care about Sasha Moscow. So I think that's completely
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false. Else he does care.
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He doesn't care about your kalium.
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Working on on Shabbos, it's if you're kalium are working,
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that's not. That's when he doesn't hold.
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Its a problem of Hamas. Call a 0-0 Chavez and Mary sign
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but there. But gemara shall canora's of
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course, cares about zil. Chavez and cares about Mara
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sign. So it just depends the pocket of
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the show canora and Aroma is, if you're having your Calum working
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for you, on Chavez. Does the fact that it's it's
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noticeable to other people? So then that's when there's a
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mock locate but not anytime. There's those old or anytime,
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there's a schmatko. Does it become mature for
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Spartan for famous example, allspark postgame say, listening
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to music. You can set it with the timer,
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right? You can have your TV going, turn
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it on before Shabbos. So there's no started posting
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who's going to say that. That's that, that's permitted.
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Certainly under the category of Mara sighing people.
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These channels and volume all the time.
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There's Zozo Shabbos, and the other category that can be
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thrown into the mix is going into details, but the similar,
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but different is proved in the hall.
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So I mean that's very mundane and very not Chopsticks.
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So again, we see from has all that certain Behavior.
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That's inappropriate. Bad things course, has happened
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to cities because of that and Anyway, so this applies it
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should be avoided. People making noises not a
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problem, unless you're unless you're violating Vena.
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Done with a very, very good. Okay.
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Muhtar hockey not. So, that's the minute you be
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Markham. Say the usual Haka but if a
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person is going to lose its going to lose money or perhaps a
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certain level of oneg Shabbos, then one could be Mega.
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Motorola Hamid. Clear, Mission College, Corinne
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Ziggler marriage. Chavez gelada.
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Have a clock that makes noise, every our Alpha p and the olden
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clocks, his grandfather clocks in certain clocks.
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These to make noise every every on the our up.
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A piece of Machinery, ecology. I shall disturb.
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Our why, even though it's making noise and Chavez Jr.
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Collodion should darken Mohammed.
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Ahmed more. Because everyone was there was
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set from the for Shabbos and that's how they, that's how they
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work. Okay, it's not that any it's not
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anything that makes noises uh sir that's also a misspent
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misunderstanding that of the halacha.
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It's not that anything that makes noise in the room or two
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outside is sir, it's anything that makes noise that tells
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people that oh, there's those will Shabbos going on.
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Or there could be morenstein of amalaka being done on Shabbos.
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So that's when there's the concept this how F of Russia
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Moscow, okay? I gotta get into lots of
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details, but just to point out the famous, or emotion is one of
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the most written on the topic, the most marked on the topic is
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very much against Shabbos clocks, things going on and off
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on Shabbos because he holds its a Zozo Shabbos and like, he
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takes it to even things that are relatively quiet.
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And he feels that in general, if Timers timers are around and it
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in the time of Cazale they would Aster timers because it's is
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also Shabbos. You see, even though people know
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we're used to it. So we know that this is know
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that there's that there's no Maura sign but it Stills, those
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will showers, okay. But the men are, does not like,
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Rome, OSHA both in America and Israel.
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Okay? For example, people use timers
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for air conditioning, even though that's probably one of
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the most loud hideous noises. Again, obviously depends on what
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kind of unit you have and and doesn't matter how loud it is.
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That so novice in a minute, is it?
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It's okay, and it's not zero. So Chavez.
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That Sona, Chaves. And it's not Maura sign, because
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we've everyone turns it on. Before shaba, sir, has timers,
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it's normal, lights are okay. Alarm clocks, most say is okay,
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but just many right. You shouldn't be using an alarm
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clock if it's playing music for you.
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So okay a chalet seojun. Playing instruments.
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Musical instruments are there? They're abundant.
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Okay, let's go on hot plates, have plates on timers, some say,
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is okay, some are not. So in favor of hot plates, being
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on timers, okay? Sprinkler system.
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So certainly the drip systems are for sure, not a problem
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because they're quiet. And some do want to say that a
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sprinkler system which is really in your face and somewhat loud
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and noisy or it's getting. It doesn't matter by the exact
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festival at the point is if it's audible, it's a noticeable and
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you can see it then the question then then that's it.
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Hashem article and then depending on the minute they're
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abundant than then you decide what's considered Zozo and one.
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So sprinkler system will leave it as a question.
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Some are not in favor of it. Some are.
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Okay, dishwashers. That's another question mark.
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So again, I'm not going to give an opinion on that one, but
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there are different opinions on dishwashers.
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Especially is it on the Shabbos? It's a bit amalaka.
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It's you just washing dishes. Not exactly a Malacca and
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sometimes and it is for oneg Shabbos, so it depends perhaps
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how noisy it is. But then again, the halacha of
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decibels is it's not a whole lot of how noisy it is.
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It's a halacha of, do you notice it?
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Although many postgame do like to say if it's noisy, it's not
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allowed. And if it's quiet, it is if it's
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quiet and apparently they make one that the soon as you make it
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that's almost completely silent. So some said that's okay.
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One thing important to point out all these Appliances is the
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halacha of grammar. We're not having a share now and
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Grandma but there's a big pocket.
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What is Grandma? So I've shown was almond is cut
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is on the more mark on our side and some others that because if
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closing Appliance closing the door of the appliance is going
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to allow it to go on and there's if you'd leave the door open,
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let's say a dishwasher or washing machine.
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Usually, if you leave the door open, it won't turn on for you.
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It's the water nothing's going to happen.
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So he holds even though it's going to happen later, it's set
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on a timer but because by closing the door, it won't,
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you're making it happen and it's all in one, it's all contained
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in one unit, it's one. Physical object is one box.
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And therefore, it's an ester of Grandma but can see it inside.
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So anyways, so that's except for childhood.
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You can ask, but as far as, but there is someone I heard.
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Someone said they made a dishwasher that's essentially
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completely quiet and it will go on even if you don't close the
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door. So if you're going to buy that,
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make sure you close the door before the timer goes on.
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And if it's much or not, they're going to ask you out, okay?
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Close the door before the timer goes on.
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Otherwise, the water is going to be all over your kitchen floor.
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Okay? But otherwise I mean again, not
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everyone holds of that up. So Mazama, neither either.
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So does it mean you have to you have to go out and buy that one
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either? Okay, someone asks, what happens
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if you have a washing machine? So I washing machine we use for
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second, having a washing machine go on with a timer or before
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Shabbos. For stardom would not be a
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problem. It's for ashkenazim where it's,
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it's definitely a problem. Someone asked what happens if
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you close the door and you can't hear it.
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So, I think most would say it's a problem because again, this is
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not a normal case of Mara sign, because the whole only starts
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if, you know about it, normal case of Mars, Ian is it's, uh,
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sir. And since it's, uh, sir, you
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can't even do it in a closed room because it's because of his
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all, say, whatever they were astir. - I and is even nicer in
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a closed room, but it doesn't really apply.
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Now, I heard that before, but it doesn't exactly fit so.
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Well is, it's only, uh, sir, if, you know about it, that's that's
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what makes it, uh, sir. So, it's, but, anyways, some say
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that, it's, you still going to hear something.
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That's almost impossible to hear.
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Nothing. And once you hear it once, it's
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once, you can hear it as a matter of its loud or not.
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It's uh, sir and how you going to control that for sure.
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No one's ever going to open up the door.
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So it's, um, anyways, I did hear some say that that's motor, if
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it's essentially completely Quiet.
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But if it's blowing air outside it dryer.
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So just it doesn't matter if it's quiet inside your house.
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People notice it from outside the house?
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Okay, well, as you're the famous question, a tree falls in a
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forest and no one's in the forest, is it?
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Make a sound. So, I don't know if that weighs
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in in the helical, but perhaps. Okay.
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So let's really love for finish. Laureates are down there.
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So, what's up? Chaka Khan.
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Okay, so he writes right before, Chávez the person and what is
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right before Shabbos, it's a question, okay?
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But right before Shabbos, if you're in a place where there's
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no arrow and it's a man, it's a Mr. Robbins.
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Alright sir. You're not allowed to carry
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stuff in your hands. You're not allowed to wear
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something that's in a nicer fashion show my yeast caveats if
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it is right before Chávez. And you might forget, and we
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over in a sir. Of carrying on Shabbos Teresa.
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But if it's a Karma list, which is generally the case or there's
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an arrow, for sure. There's no problem of
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al-muttalib State, B, feeling someone Shake, alopecia Anil
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Chohan. Now, the to carry it to you, let
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it go with your thrilling if you wearing them because if you're
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wearing them because, you know, everyone is constantly thinking
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about spilling when they wear them and one's going to remember
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to take it off and not not be carrying it.
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Okay. Mitzvah Le Marche de Aquila very
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troublesome Okay. Also everyone whenever Shabbos
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starts when you before you walk out your door, we must check our
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pockets and make sure the inside Pockets outside Pockets, make
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sure that there is nothing, there's nothing I have to worry
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about little dust that collects in your pockets but that's about
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it. Everything else has to be
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removed, okay? Just to tap on real quick
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vending machines, can they be? Because we kind of tangentially
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went over it. When you magina vending,
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machines can be Beyond if you own them on Shabbos and Money
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from them. So it's famous.
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No, dear be who died gets quoted as saying, you're allowed to,
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because you're, you really person is taking a product.
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Again, it is questionable, but he is makeup and it's car
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Shoppers that you're getting is completely not noticeable, and
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it pretty much is the have. Le you just did not even know I
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wait for you to know when it was done really.
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I mean, maybe have a camera but so don't look but really it's
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hard to us anyway. So when it comes to vending
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machines, he's makeup. And one of the things he says is
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also if No one steals from you on Chavez.
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Kind of Compares it to stealing to look at him, look at inside.
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But if someone steals from, from from you on Shabbos, of course,
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yes to pay you back. So it's kind of the same ideas.
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He groups it a little bit together.
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Okay. What are you think?
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It's exactly the same or not? I think the men I just did he
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make up by vending machines and online businesses?
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For certainly there's to have it.
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Your business open on Shabbos is certainly not a problem of
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Sherita scaling we learned. The only question could be is if
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there's an issue. To of Scar Shabbos.
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If you're getting collecting money from Shabbos, then usually
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the rule is, if it's done specifically for the day and
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it's noticeable. It's a sir.
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But if it's behave law and it's completely not noticeable, it's
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motor but again, Do I say, let's say, let's Rob and your specific
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case is the best idea just to point out.
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There are some people who Close turn off their vending machines
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or they close their entire online business and Shabbos.
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So people can't buy from them, so I think B&H Photo is one.
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That does that well known. I think if I don't remember
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correctly, I think art school does that as well.
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Again, who's going to buy from art school?
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I guess what happens is if you live in Israel and you want to
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buy, mostly Chavez, that's when it comes to the engine oil,
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okay? So, that's, that's definitely a
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good camera. If not make sure I did.
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Okay, stop. I think we'll stop fine.