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Patriots Unfiltered 2/10: Super Bowl LX Recap, Season Closing Thoughts, Mapping Out the Offseason · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: All right, we are back, No open nothing, We'll just
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  Speaker 3: get right to it.
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  Speaker 2: Just get right to it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's the Tuesday after the Sunday that wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, it's Paul, let's do seven. We'll be
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  Speaker 3: by and yeah, we're gonna talk about it. We got
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  Speaker 3: to get it out of our system. Patriots lose Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl sixty just wasn't meant to be. Wasn't meant to be.
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  Speaker 3: We got there, but we just couldn't finish it. And
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  Speaker 3: Satt'll see, Hawks are the champions and they should be
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  Speaker 3: and they deserved it.
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  Speaker 2: Ye with a better team for the full sixty minutes. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely so.
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  Speaker 3: Some speechless say speechless, I.
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  Speaker 4: Don't know which way to go now. I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 4: the positive way for I mean, what a season, what
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  Speaker 4: a season? I mean, before we get into the Super
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  Speaker 4: Bowl of it all, I was definitely disappointed. I was
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  Speaker 4: sitting amongst Seahawks fans. It was a whole different experience
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  Speaker 4: for your Boyduce, not being in the press box again,
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  Speaker 4: not having Paul and Evan to talk to throughout the game.
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  Speaker 4: But after about twenty minutes after the loss, I just
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  Speaker 4: was what a thrill ride. This was, how much personality
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  Speaker 4: this team had, how much this team got along. It
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  Speaker 4: was just so fun. And last week was just such
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  Speaker 4: a culmination of all that. I know the game wasn't,
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  Speaker 4: but all of the events and as people dug further
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  Speaker 4: and further into this team and external media sources got
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  Speaker 4: familiar with this team and how special this team was.
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  Speaker 4: Like the Seahawks were awesome and I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: anybody's going to stop them this year, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: get in the way of just a phenomenal Patriots season.
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  Speaker 4: Congratulations to everybody who put this team together and competed
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  Speaker 4: on the field. It was It was so much fun.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose if you're gonna lose a Super Bowl, that's
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  Speaker 3: the way to do it.
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  Speaker 5: Fred I said the exact same thing, Like it was
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  Speaker 5: such a different feeling, like like the Philadelphia one, and
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  Speaker 5: like the whole post game is like where was Malcolm Butler,
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  Speaker 5: why didn't you play or you know this call you
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  Speaker 5: know goes this way that way, and you know the
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  Speaker 5: catch by type, none of that.
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  Speaker 2: This was kind of none of that for this one.
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  Speaker 2: So it was different.
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  Speaker 5: And I think we're gonna, you know, be hearing from
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  Speaker 5: Mike Vrabel momentarily. Hopefully we'll get a chance to see
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  Speaker 5: what he has to say. We did get in the
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  Speaker 5: locker and Mike and I this morning, the players sort
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  Speaker 5: of packing up and getting started on their offseason, bounced around.
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  Speaker 5: Did hear from Drake May again? He said, no surgery,
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  Speaker 5: just like kind of catching up on some news Newsy items.
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  Speaker 5: He said, he will not need surgery on the shoulder.
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  Speaker 5: Just feels like rest. We'll take care of it. Will
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  Speaker 5: Campbell did speak. I know some of our fans probably
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  Speaker 5: aware that he did not speak after the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Apologize for that and.
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  Speaker 5: Just kind of said, you know, I was very emotional
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  Speaker 5: coming off of a performance like that. He took a
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  Speaker 5: lot of ownership of his own performance. So we have
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  Speaker 5: Rabel now.
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  Speaker 2: Rank for Abel, we get some audio.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So again I thought Campbell was was really good
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  Speaker 5: today and you know, sort of apologizing for not speaking
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  Speaker 5: the other day, and you know took ownership of his
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  Speaker 5: performance that I wasn't good enough. I'm the fourth overall pick.
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  Speaker 5: I'm I'm a highly paid player, and I deserve to
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  Speaker 5: have people criticize.
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  Speaker 6: You make additions to it, and we'll try to do
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  Speaker 6: that to this football team. I like the foundation of it,
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  Speaker 6: and we'll try to improve on it.
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  Speaker 2: Like we downtime or you just dive right into the offseason.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure there'll be some you know, get the
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  Speaker 6: coaches out of here. I'm sure there'll be some time.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, it's all part of it. And I
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  Speaker 6: think we're so embedded in it you don't look and
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  Speaker 6: see that today's February tenth. And I think for the
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  Speaker 6: most part, we focused on it's today at Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
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  Speaker 6: we play a Sunday, So we got into that routine
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  Speaker 6: and never really noticed or paid attention to what the
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  Speaker 6: actual date was. So I'm sure we'll take a little
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  Speaker 6: bit of time and then we'll have to have to
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  Speaker 6: continue on with the player evaluation and combine and all
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  Speaker 6: those things.
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  Speaker 7: It was such a.
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  Speaker 6: Special team culture wise, personality wise.
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  Speaker 7: The changes are inevitable.
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  Speaker 1: Sad it's difficult to wrap your head around and when
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  Speaker 1: you've been in the business for a long time, like
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna.
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  Speaker 6: Be uh yeah, I don't know if that's difficult today,
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  Speaker 6: you know. I mean, there'll be some difficult decisions that
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  Speaker 6: we'll have to make and uh we'll try to do
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  Speaker 6: 'em with the with the team's best interest in mind,
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  Speaker 6: and it as always that'll never change, you know.
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  Speaker 7: Appreciate what they did and how they.
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  Speaker 6: Came together and all the guys that came in from
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  Speaker 6: other places that maybe didn't start the year with us, and.
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  Speaker 7: The different path and a different journey than each guy took.
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  Speaker 8: What here has to have the game if the Super
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  Speaker 8: Bowl experience will be a valuable one for you guys
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  Speaker 8: said go, only be valuable.
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  Speaker 2: If we understand what we need to do to improve.
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  Speaker 9: Having had the chance to reflect on a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what now when you need to do
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  Speaker 2: to be sure after this?
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  Speaker 7: No, not right now.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think that this is this is the time
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  Speaker 6: to to go into those I mean, just still try
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  Speaker 6: to uh enjoy the season and enjoy seventeen wins and
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  Speaker 6: the opportunity to coach these guys and you know whatever
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  Speaker 6: that looks, it looks like, but you know, we'll know
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  Speaker 6: we'll continually have to improve. Reflect upon the first Super
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  Speaker 6: Bowl I played in and was able to win and
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  Speaker 6: failed to make the playoffs next year, So we know
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  Speaker 6: how difficult this is.
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  Speaker 7: I won't won't be easy and never will be. So
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  Speaker 7: we'll have a plan. No, that's okay.
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  Speaker 10: Want to come to your coaches that you've been Zach
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  Speaker 10: wors staying as if asive coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: How do you think things work out?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, there'll be a lot of things that we'll have
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  Speaker 6: to work through there, Mark, we'll have to work through
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  Speaker 6: you know, tease, teas healthy and been given you know,
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  Speaker 6: a release to to be back and be back at work,
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  Speaker 6: and so again I'll work through all those things here
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  Speaker 6: in the next you know, a couple of days, weeks,
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  Speaker 6: however long those decisions make or may take.
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  Speaker 7: Mike, you knows, you just use the words we know
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  Speaker 7: how hard this is? Usually those three words, we know
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  Speaker 7: how hard?
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  Speaker 11: What you thought about this team when you first took
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  Speaker 11: the job, training camp, this team meet expectations or past
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  Speaker 11: expectations or.
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  Speaker 6: Every time you guys ask me about my expectations, I say,
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  Speaker 6: I try not to have any so that I'm not disappointed.
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  Speaker 7: But I would say that they.
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  Speaker 6: Now that we're done, probably exceeded expectations. I think we
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  Speaker 6: Probably the biggest thing is I think we learned how
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  Speaker 6: to win. I think you have to learn how to
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  Speaker 6: win in this league. You have to understand sometimes they're pretty,
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  Speaker 6: sometimes they're not. Sometimes you have to come from behind,
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes you have to make a stop late defensively, sometimes
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  Speaker 6: you have to make a kick. And sometimes they're you know,
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  Speaker 6: easier games where things are going right and you're turning
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  Speaker 6: punts for touchdowns and defensive touchdowns and you know everybody's
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  Speaker 6: having a big pizza party. So but we learned how
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  Speaker 6: to win in different ways, and I think that that's
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  Speaker 6: important in this league.
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  Speaker 7: Have you rewatched the game yet? Yeah? Watched it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Are there are any occasions where you say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I wish we did this light and see that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think that's the same case in
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  Speaker 6: every game. I wish we would have blocked this guy.
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  Speaker 6: I wish they wouldn't have moved. I wish we would
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  Speaker 6: have called a different coverage for what they did. I wish,
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  Speaker 6: I wish they wish, But you know, it doesn't go
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  Speaker 6: that way. We none of us did it enough to
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  Speaker 6: to you know, put ourselves in a position to win
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  Speaker 6: a game, you know, early on I think you know,
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  Speaker 6: however that went, and we had chances, we put a
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  Speaker 6: drive together, installed, we hit a twenty yard play, and
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  Speaker 6: installed we gained eight yards on first down, and find
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  Speaker 6: a way to not convert a first down. And there's
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  Speaker 6: a lot of things where you know, we we had
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  Speaker 6: chances on a quarterback, and if we make those sacks,
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  Speaker 6: maybe the ball comes out, maybe we intercept the ball
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  Speaker 6: instead of them catching it. You know, maybe Marcus makes
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  Speaker 6: that interception. As close as that is. That's that's how
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  Speaker 6: this game goes.
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  Speaker 7: Like I wanted to ask you about Will Campbell, and
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  Speaker 7: I think because.
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  Speaker 4: When he was coming out of the draft, some teams
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  Speaker 4: viewed him as a guard, others viewed him as a tackle.
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  Speaker 4: His I guess his season has been looked at h
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  Speaker 4: and scrutinized.
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  Speaker 7: Just like everybody's hays, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 6: Like, that's what you ad when you sign up to
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  Speaker 6: play left tackle, you sign up to play corner, you
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  Speaker 6: sign up to play quarterback, you sign up to be
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  Speaker 6: the head coach. Uh, you get judged, you get scrutinized. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: well he's twenty two years old. He's our left tackle.
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  Speaker 6: He'll get better, He'll get stronger. Moments where he played well,
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  Speaker 6: moments where he blocked the guy. You know, there's plays
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  Speaker 6: he'd like to have back. We're not We're not moving
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  Speaker 6: well to guard or the center or the tight end
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  Speaker 6: or anywhere else.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't what to tell you.
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  Speaker 6: Like, who do you guys hope what do you hope
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  Speaker 6: to your team because you didn't finish the job?
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  Speaker 7: What do you hope they learned from that? How hard
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  Speaker 7: it is to win a championship? You know what I mean,
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  Speaker 7: how hard it is.
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  Speaker 6: To to finish, you know, the season, to be at
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  Speaker 6: your best, uh in the in the biggest and brightest moments.
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  Speaker 6: But you have to start over. So things starts over
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  Speaker 6: in ten weeks. The off season program starts in ten weeks.
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  Speaker 6: That's how I look at this. And you know, when
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  Speaker 6: I said that to him, they kind of looked at
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  Speaker 6: me like I was crazy. But that's the reality of it.
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  Speaker 6: We have a group of guys who played a lot
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  Speaker 6: of football. We have a lot of guys that didn't
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  Speaker 6: play a lot of football. And as I was taught
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  Speaker 6: to talk about the business of the NFL, the businesses,
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  Speaker 6: we have a We're looking for the better, younger, cheaper
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  Speaker 6: player every day and the players that we have are
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  Speaker 6: trying to not let that happen. And that's the dynamic
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  Speaker 6: and that's the business of the National Football League. Spoon
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  Speaker 6: said they saw and tells from guards and tackles on
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  Speaker 6: fast rusher sets.
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  Speaker 7: Were you able to see anything that you was talking about?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, there's that tell is there every week where
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  Speaker 6: a guy's stance is a little different, and you.
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  Speaker 7: Know what I mean, like we did the whole s
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  Speaker 7: went the whole season.
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  Speaker 6: Morgan Moses was in the same stance when we threw
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  Speaker 6: the ball, and we threw it pretty good. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: s when we run it, guys try to be in
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  Speaker 6: the same stances. We wanna try to be as consistent
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  Speaker 6: as we possibly can. You know, I think on some
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  Speaker 6: down and distances guys can be in two point stances.
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  Speaker 6: We have certain rules for you know, in there in
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  Speaker 6: third down or if you're on the open side, you're
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  Speaker 6: away from a tight end, and you know, I think
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  Speaker 6: that those things are pretty consistent.
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  Speaker 7: And you know it, there were moments where they knew
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  Speaker 7: we were gonna throw the ball.
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  Speaker 6: And I don't know, you'd have to give me the
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  Speaker 6: exact idea of when the nickel we were throwing it,
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  Speaker 6: feeling just what.
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  Speaker 7: Your first year in New England has.
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  Speaker 2: Said and what it's done to you.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think just the support since we
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  Speaker 6: first got here, not only from Robert and Jonathan, but
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  Speaker 6: the entire organization of just everybody buying into what it
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  Speaker 6: was that we wanted to do. Some of the changes,
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  Speaker 6: some of the things that remained the same. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 6: I know change is always sometimes difficult. The fans, the community.
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  Speaker 6: I thought, you know, coming back here and seeing twenty
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  Speaker 6: people here last night, I know it doesn't sound like
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  Speaker 6: a lot, but you know, when you had a tough day,
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  Speaker 6: I thought that was pretty cool to see the people
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  Speaker 6: standing out here last night in the cold, waiting waiting
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  Speaker 6: for us to come back, just to welcome us back. So,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we gave our fans a lot to cheer about.
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  Speaker 6: Certainly not satisfied with, you know, not finishing the season
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  Speaker 6: with a championship, but I think we gave him a
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  Speaker 6: lot of things to be hopeful about, and the cheer
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  Speaker 6: about and those environments that they created and the playoffs
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  Speaker 6: was special.
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  Speaker 7: Is it any more beneficial from.
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  Speaker 6: A roster building standpoint to have gone through this playoff
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  Speaker 6: run seeing how your team matches, hoping it's from the
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  Speaker 6: top competition in the league and where the margin for
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  Speaker 6: ERIC can maybe be increasing with more I mean we
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  Speaker 6: when I can only play who they let us play,
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  Speaker 6: and I guess being able to evaluate your team against
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  Speaker 6: the top talent is always something that's important. We try
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  Speaker 6: not to focus too much on on who the opponent is.
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  Speaker 6: It's what we need to do to try to win
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  Speaker 6: each week. But you know, I think that that's a
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  Speaker 6: good measuring stick to say, well, these guys are really
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  Speaker 6: good defenses, or this is how you you know you need.
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  Speaker 7: To be able to do these certain things to win.
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  Speaker 6: I think we have an idea, but then you know,
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  Speaker 6: once you play the better teams, all those things get magnified.
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  Speaker 9: Over the course of this season.
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  Speaker 12: You mentioned mugiple times, like finding the right player and foster.
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  Speaker 13: The relationship and then evaluating the players skill might be straightforward.
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  Speaker 14: You can look at the staffs or the field and
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  Speaker 14: the tape, but.
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  Speaker 8: How do you know like the personality and the characters
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  Speaker 8: off of those.
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  Speaker 15: Players and you evaluate.
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  Speaker 6: Them well, I think that that's a great question to
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  Speaker 6: be able to you know, there's no test at the
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  Speaker 6: combine to measure away you know, heart and fortitude and
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  Speaker 6: competitive spirit. They don't have tests for those types of things.
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  Speaker 6: So it's you know, we have to put it upon ourselves,
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  Speaker 6: our coaching staff, our scouts, our personnel staff to be
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  Speaker 6: able to identify the right type of people.
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  Speaker 7: You have to you have to.
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  Speaker 6: Be talented and you also have to have a certain
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  Speaker 6: makeup that when things are tough, which they are, they
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  Speaker 6: will be tough during the season during the game, that
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  Speaker 6: we find a way to uh to persevere like liberally.
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  Speaker 5: Probably would you know about any changes to the coaching
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  Speaker 5: staff and do.
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  Speaker 9: You expect that.
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  Speaker 6: There's always gonna be change. I don't know when I
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  Speaker 6: would expect those. I just try to focus on the season.
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  Speaker 6: Met with the players this morning, will continue to meet
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  Speaker 6: and visit with coaches and we'll kind of go from there.
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  Speaker 1: A year ago, what is the biggest difference with the
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  Speaker 1: New England Patriots between last year and this year?
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  Speaker 7: As your map up like the last year meaning the
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  Speaker 7: one we just had from from.
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  Speaker 1: Your start date to now, the biggest difference in the
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  Speaker 1: building the culture where the team is at right now.
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  Speaker 6: I mean there's yeah, I mean we, Like I said,
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  Speaker 6: I feel like we learned how to win. I think
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  Speaker 6: that they believe that what we're.
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  Speaker 7: Doing is.
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  Speaker 6: Try to help them be better players, be better teammates,
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  Speaker 6: be better parents, be better husbands.
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  Speaker 16: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I hope that they care about the relationships in this
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  Speaker 6: building and that it's not transactional. We know that there's
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  Speaker 6: going to be transactions that take place, but you know,
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  Speaker 6: I hope that they know that we have their best
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  Speaker 6: interests in mind. And you know, we may disagree, but
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  Speaker 6: I think that there's a level of respect there to.
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  Speaker 7: Call you nothing.
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  Speaker 6: Taking the day off super Bowl hangover, I appreciate you, guys.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know how many guys I got to see
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  Speaker 6: or people that I got to see.
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  Speaker 7: After the game, but I want to thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you for covering us, thank you for the care
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  Speaker 6: that you gave a lot of these stories.
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  Speaker 7: And again we are fully understanding where judged. We are.
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  Speaker 6: Questioned like that's your job, that's what you guys are
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  Speaker 6: here for. But appreciate the respect that you gave us,
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  Speaker 6: gave me, gave our team, gave our organization. So look
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  Speaker 6: forward to seeing you guys in April maybe or whenever
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  Speaker 6: I have to talk to you again. I know it's
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  Speaker 6: at the combine. I'm just kidding. Happy birthday to Stacey too,
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  Speaker 6: his birthday. Yeah, you guys gonna sing happy birthday when.
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  Speaker 7: Quick.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's a wrap on the twenty twenty five season.
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  Speaker 3: Mike Rabel with his closing press conference, and that's possibly
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  Speaker 3: the last time we'll see that room. Yeah, because the
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  Speaker 3: next time he'll be doing a press conference should be
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  Speaker 3: from the new Patriots Training Center.
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  Speaker 4: It's right, so that as we were walking out of
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  Speaker 4: the locker room today, although I know they'll be back
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: here for game day, so right, there will still be
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: use of the auditorium in those things, but yeah, open
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: locker room, media center.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, going to change.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: All that stuff's going to change next next year.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: So any thoughts on what he had to say, No
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: good stuff.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just I that last question. I think
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: they established the culture, they established a program here, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: they certainly have a group of players returning who are
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: going to believe in the process. But there's no carryover.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: That's the thing that you know, they got to rebuild
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: right from the bottom again. And you know, I love Rabel.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I think he did a great job this year. It
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: might be a little bit easier next year because he
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: has some players who already know what the expectations are,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: and you have some players to lead the way and
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: help set examples without needing to be told right from
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: the get go. So I'm I'm just you know, right now,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: I'm just so excited to get into the offseason and
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: get into rebuilding this team. And you know, no one
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: expected this, and it's easy to yeah, we'll get into
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: the super Bowl and all the you know, plays that
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: they missed and frustrations we have with the team. But
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: I can't help it start this whole show off without
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: saying I feel really great at this franchise in the
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: direction they're headed, and how excited I like they kept
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: saying we'll be back, We'll be back. I don't see
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: it as we'll be back in the super Bowl. I
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: see it as we're going to be back as a
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: competitive team next year. It's going to get harder. Teams
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: are going to want to play them harder, and they're
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: going to need to build and to get better at
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: this offense.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: And you saw the amount of holes they had. Yep,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: like that, that's what everybody keeps saying. I can't believe
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: they made it this far and this was such an
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: amazing season. And that's true, and this is why, because
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: it's amazing that they were able to establish a culture.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: And I thought the one thing that really stood out
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: to me was Mike Grabel saying, we learned how to win,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: and that's not easy. The twenty twenty five Patriots had
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: tremendous culture. We'll see what the twenty twenty six team has.
• 19:38
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: That's why I liked your point Mike about that, Like,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: you know, it's not something that carries over. You have
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: to bottom, you have to re identify, you know, re
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: establish it going forward, you know.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: And they'll have some money to spend, and I know
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: they're going to be drafting low, but you know a
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: lot of picks though.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: That right, what doesn't mean that you can't draft good guys.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I was giving a little I was after the game.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I was talking with No Socks and he's like, what
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I heard about this next year? It is you know
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a tougher schedule and how the teams
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: are going to improve. Yeah, but I said, why can't
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: we improve too?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Like, why can't we get better?
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Why are we already writing off twenty twenty six because
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the schedule's going to be tougher. I'm not right now,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I still think we can win the AC East like
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: and then you're in the playoffs.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: I'll give you the line that I that I annoy
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Patriots fans with what the constantly the last four or
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: five years when they want to keep telling me how
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: bad Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City is and how bad
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Buffalo and Josh Allen. When you have a good quarterback,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: you are always a contender. The Patriots have that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: The Patriots will be a contender next year because they
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: have Mike Rabel and Drake May and then how they
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: fill in those holes around it will tell you how
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: much of a contender they'll be. But they will be
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: in the mix because you have those key ingredients.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Right right, So so I'm not I'm not dreading next
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: year because it's going to be a tougher schedule, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: on paper right now it is. It's a it's a
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: tougher schedule, but I think we're going to be better too.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just going to be a lot. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: don't want to they got to go to Seattle next year.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I mean that game will already like, let's get well
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the bills.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: If we just can't schedule so of the bills, I
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: can't imagine you're going to have, you know, all the
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: things that fell into place for you again next year.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: But it's gonna be harder.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: But you have, like, you have so much going for you.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: You have a young team, you had Key you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: I know we haven't talked about the game yet, but
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: like there's a young guy that I think has gotten
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: unbelievably better down.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: The stretch, who played a whale of a Super Bowl.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: What's it right?
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: So you have these these young guys that are playing
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: bigger and bigger roles as you go, Like, that's what
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: you that's that's the kind of development. I know that
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: people were disappointed because some of the other rookies seem
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: to maybe hit a wall a little bit, or they
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: have play leveled off down the stretch, including Drake May
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: not a rookie but a young guy. Yeah, but there
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: were some other younger guys that that really stepped up.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm glad you brought up with Whatson for Paul.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I thought he was excellent. And you know, I think
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: November December, I remember talking on the show. Is he good?
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Like he's playing a lot, a lot of plays, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden in the playoffs you start
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: to see this rookie safety making plays all over the place.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: He was outstanding in the super Bowl. Walking into the
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: post game party, there were about like three four people
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: with all woods and jerseys on, and I'm like, that's
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: got to be his family. I just said, hey, Woodson
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: balled out today. Thanks man, appreciate it. I said it
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: to him today as well in the locker room. That
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: to me might be the most exciting takeaway the whole playoffs, that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Whole defense, the way they played for most of the game.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can only hold on for so you
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: can only hold on for so long. They played really,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: really well. And Gonzo I think might have had his best,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: one of his best games, two brilliant plays. He's going
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: into his fourth year yea.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: On his fifth year off.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Well do you just say, listen, let's just extend him now,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: can do that?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I think you have to do that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's the priority. And I say, a
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: legit edge rusher, be it Max Crosby or somebody else,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: those are the biggest priorities. For me of big spending
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: and investing, Yeah, those are two spots to start.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it, you know.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: And I haven't really looked at the free agent lists,
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: and I know there's not a ton, but I think
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: they need a number one.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Wide receiver too.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: But you know, in terms of it's just in terms
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: of a big ticket item, like I don't think that
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: will be cheap. Now, you could opt to try to
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: get a young one. You you could opt to draft one,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: you know, the bottom of the first round.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, I haven't we just got home.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't dealt into any I think I think
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the draft, you know, other than
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the quarterback, we're back to best player available. I mean,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I really don't think that there's one place where you
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: can say, oh, they couldn't use an upgrade.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I think you can use an upgrade everywhere. And if
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: there's a guy that's obviously the best player at a position,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I think you got to take them, you know.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: But it is another one of the super Bowl itself
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: is another one of those cliches everybody talked about last year.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: You know, the Eagles just just you know, dominated on
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: both sides of the line, and you know, I was
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: I was a little I mean, the Patriots offense obviously
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: had its struggles throughout the postseason, so I wasn't overly
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: surprised that that happened on offense. I was surprised that
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: the Patriots could not stop the run.
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: In this game.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: I did not expect. I didn't anticipate. I would have
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: thought if, if, if Seattle was going to win this
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: game fairly easily, then Sam Donald would have had one
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: of his better games.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: He didn't. He was pretty average.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I thought he missed a lot of easy throws that
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: were wide open. I thought he was laid on a
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: lot of throws, and then a couple of times they
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: had he was victimized by drops.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: But the run. I was not expecting Kenneth Walker to.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Be that What was his numbers in the first half,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: ninety four yards him?
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: I thought he had ninety four yards in the first half,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: and he finished with what was it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: One thirty five? Yeah, five yards, five yards, But.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: They weren't letting him in the end zone, you know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: so like that was the kind of game you're like, okay,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: you know, you get a couple sevens, trade them for threes.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: That's the way you wanted to go. But the offense
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: just didn't do its part. No, it didn't do its part.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: And every Super Bowl that I've ever watched since I
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: was a kid, where one team dominates another, it's because
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: their line dominates, and their defensive line dominated our offensive
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: line and we just couldn't do anything. Super Bowl forty two,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I mean that to me, That's what I was watching
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: it everything. It's when Denver beat Carolina. It's the when
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: my old Denver team would lose. It's because their line
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: got dominated by some by some NFC team. That's that's
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: when you get these lopsided Super Bowls, when you lose
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: the trenches badly.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: When we were on Radio Row, Mike Rees said something
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: that I was kind of disappointed. I hadn't really thought
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: about enough, and he said, pointed out the veteran leadership
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: on that defensive line, the DeMarcus Lawrences of the world,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: the Leonard Williams, the guys that had been around for
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: a while. And maybe it was over simplifying it, but
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: when he said those things, I'm like, those guys are
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: gonna come to play, and the rookies and old Morgan
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: like you know, the old lineman and the new lineman,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: they all had to play up to that level and
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: they couldn't. And it's it's not all that surprising. Remind
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: me of someone of the Patriots defense when you just
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: had a bunch of dudes who have been here, they
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: are here to win a Super Bowl. This is their time.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: These veterans, they get they were outstanding. You know, what
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: are you gonna do?
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Yep, hi Evan, Hello, how you doing?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah? Just okay? Yeah? Have you come to grips
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: with it?
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Are you still trying to figure this out?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 26:36
  Speaker 14: It's not even so much about the result of the game.
• 26:39
  Speaker 17: I just like going to the combine in two weeks
• 26:41
  Speaker 17: like this is like I had never done this one before,
• 26:45
  Speaker 17: so this will be fun. Uh quick turnaround and you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 17: a lot to digest from the game and then a
• 26:51
  Speaker 17: lot to get to moving forward.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: But that'll help, it'll help you get back into it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 17: Honestly, you don't have any time to well on it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 17: I'm not dwelling on it too much. I mean, like
• 27:03
  Speaker 17: when you lose to a better team, there's not much
• 27:05
  Speaker 17: really to dwell on.
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: And that's what we saw.
• 27:08
  Speaker 17: So I mean there are some things that certainly, I
• 27:10
  Speaker 17: thought the Patriots didn't do very well in this game
• 27:13
  Speaker 17: that was uncharacteristic of them. That was disappointing. I would say. Offensively,
• 27:21
  Speaker 17: they just had no plan for pressure whatsoever, which was
• 27:26
  Speaker 17: very frustrating to watch back yesterday where they're bringing the
• 27:30
  Speaker 17: same nickel blitz over and over again and they just
• 27:32
  Speaker 17: aren't blocking it over and over again, and you're just like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 17: how could it Josh McDaniels coordinated offense get beat by
• 27:39
  Speaker 17: the same scheme four or five six times.
• 27:43
  Speaker 14: Defensively, they missed eighteen tackles in this game.
• 27:48
  Speaker 17: There's like four or five opportunities behind the line of
• 27:50
  Speaker 17: scrimmage to sack Sam Darnold that Milton Williams and Jalen
• 27:54
  Speaker 17: Hawkins and guys just missed.
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: So I thought offensively there was a mess defense.
• 28:00
  Speaker 17: They there are plays there to be made, and they
• 28:03
  Speaker 17: were making them the first three playoff games, and they
• 28:05
  Speaker 17: just didn't make them on Sunday. You know, plays that
• 28:08
  Speaker 17: could have flipped the game potentially in their favor. You know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 17: Chase On you know, gets free off the edge and
• 28:14
  Speaker 17: it's just a split second too late and Donald's arms
• 28:18
  Speaker 17: moving forward. So that's an incomplete pass instead of a fumble.
• 28:21
  Speaker 17: But against Houston or against you know, Denver, that's it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 17: That's has been a strip sack and and those are
• 28:27
  Speaker 17: the types of plays that might maybe would have turned
• 28:30
  Speaker 17: the tide.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear that, And I do think that there
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: were defensive plays. I saw those mistackles. I saw guys
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: flash by Donald and just miss them.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: But I think I just can't put it on the defense.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, defense punted the first eight times you
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: had the ball, right, you got it, you got it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 14: I didn't think they played well on either side.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Of the I don't think they played as well as
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: the defense is getting credit for.
• 29:00
  Speaker 17: Christian Gonzales and Craig Woodson played at Woodson was unbelievable
• 29:03
  Speaker 17: in this game and in the I think there were
• 29:06
  Speaker 17: two specific pass breakouts by Gonzales that were just extraordinary.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Now that said, I think they were both on Donald.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: I think Donald had a guy and I'm not even
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: telling you Gonzalez got beat. I think the slant to
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: JSN and the goal line was just Laton behind him
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: and unbelievably athletic dive and pass breakup on the deep ball,
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: which is Shaheed that he had. That's just like, that's elite.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: That's an elite breakout.
• 29:33
  Speaker 14: One of the best cornerback players of the season.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Just elite.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: And there's there's some great I mean, I know people
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: don't want to see them now, but there's some great
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: photos of that of that play. Yeah, that's an exceptional
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: athlete making.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: A play in space.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: But but I do think Donald, like he had some
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: of those plays.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I kind of agree with Evan.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: I think Donald was the reason that they were getting
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: held to three instead of getting the seven more often
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: than not.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Did you feel like he got sped up? Do you
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: feel like he No, I just feel like.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I just felt like I just felt.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Like you're just sending the zero blitz is and it's off.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: But I felt like, but that's the point, you know, like, yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: there's going to be a guy there.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't really feel like he looked like sped up
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: I just felt like he was just missing easy the
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: couple the Cooper Cup with the sticks like easy outs,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: like like pitch and catch kind of throws that he
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: was throwing way to the outside. Maybe, I mean, maybe
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: maybe it was pressure. They did get pressure in this game.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: No, it seemed like that was just we're going after him.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: And I thought that was the one area that I
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: thought defensively was really good. I thought they got consistent pressure.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: They just like Evan said, they weren't getting sacks.
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: It just as they didn't make the game change the play.
• 30:36
  Speaker 17: And I think that's what a lot of the players
• 30:37
  Speaker 17: talked about after the game on defense. It wasn't that
• 30:40
  Speaker 17: they felt like they were the reason why they lost
• 30:42
  Speaker 17: the game or anything like that, but.
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: They needed they left the field, they needed to.
• 30:46
  Speaker 17: Turn Seattle over and they weren't able to turn them over.
• 30:49
  Speaker 17: And they had probably three or four opportunities to do
• 30:52
  Speaker 17: it and they weren't able to do it. And uh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 17: you know, offensively, it was obviously why they lost.
• 30:59
  Speaker 14: But I didn't think the defense made enough plays either.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I just red zone. I mean, I was happy that
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: they got stops in the red zone. I mean that
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: was critical and that was the part of their game
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: that's stunk all year.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And it's one for four on paper, where it's really
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: kind of one for.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Six because they had a couple of other field goals
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: that were just outside the red zone. And again I
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: just put it more on Donald. I don't think Donald
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: was was great in this game. Yeah, and I you know,
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: I'm happy for I mean Patriots stuff aside, I'm happy
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: for his redemption story. I think sometimes these guys get
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: you know, the crap kicked out of them when it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Doesn't go great for them early in their career.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: And you know, guys like him and Baker Mayfield and
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Gino Smith have sort of resurrected themselves and bounced back
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: from that. I think that's commendable. But I don't think
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: he played his game. Was the NFC Championship he did.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: If he played like he did against the Rams in
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: this game, yeah, I'd.
• 31:50
  Speaker 17: Give a defense some credit on some of the director
• 31:53
  Speaker 17: of the red zone stops and stuff like that, and.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Especially especially against the run in the red zone.
• 31:59
  Speaker 17: Yeah, and they they were good statistically. They just you know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 17: Kenneth Walker had five explosive runs. You know that that
• 32:06
  Speaker 17: were big plays in the game on a game that
• 32:08
  Speaker 17: didn't have a lot of offense. You know, that's kind
• 32:11
  Speaker 17: of reminded me of Super Bowl fifty three with Julian
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: Edelman right where he was just in.
• 32:16
  Speaker 14: A defensive game.
• 32:17
  Speaker 17: He was the best offensive player in a defensive game
• 32:19
  Speaker 17: for either team. You know, those runs were big, but Seattle,
• 32:24
  Speaker 17: you know, this is one of their worst offensive performances
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: on like a per play basis of the season.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: That's funny because Donald said that like right after the game,
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: like it's amazing, Like you're you're like two questions into
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: an on field because well, you know, we won the
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl in all, but.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: We didn't play very well offensively today.
• 32:40
  Speaker 17: Yeah, they actually averaged fewer yards per play than the
• 32:42
  Speaker 17: Patriots did.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to get into offensive comparison.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: The Patriots had about two hundred and sixty fourth quarter.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: No, Xema doesn't even want that.
• 32:54
  Speaker 14: Makeup for how horrible the Patriots offense was.
• 32:58
  Speaker 17: The numbers like are not that far off, which tells
• 33:02
  Speaker 17: you that the Seahawks offense wasn't all that great either.
• 33:06
  Speaker 17: You know, I think the most frustrating part about the
• 33:08
  Speaker 17: Patriots offense was just I thought that there were a
• 33:12
  Speaker 17: handful of times.
• 33:13
  Speaker 14: Or there was open receivers and they just couldn't block it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 14: They you know, they were just either not.
• 33:18
  Speaker 17: Blocking it or may missed maybe four or five throws
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: that he'd probably want to have back. And it was
• 33:24
  Speaker 17: just a combination of those two things where I really
• 33:27
  Speaker 17: did not watch this tape and thought the receivers were
• 33:31
  Speaker 17: getting you know, strapped by Seattle Secondary and there was
• 33:34
  Speaker 17: no place to go with the ball. I mean, there
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: certainly were a few plays like that, but there are
• 33:38
  Speaker 17: a few plays like that in every single game.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: The one that really frustrated me that was the third
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: and one and they and I was.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Like, take a shot, take a shot, take a shot.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: And they did, and they had like a you know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: maybe a twenty yard completion that was there and just
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: missed them. Douglas was open on that play, and I
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: didn't think it was an overly difficult throw.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: What do you think about it?
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: It seemed like Douglas was getting more attention this game,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: like more plays going to Douglas, he was getting more reps.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Well. I saw him lined up on a memory a
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: couple of times, which I thought was maybe they're trying
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: to test test, you know, and a small, quick guy,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: Did a really good job in that wheel Road the
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: second player of the second half.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I think it was might have been the first play.
• 34:22
  Speaker 14: Pop was open the entire game.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not on that play, which I think that they
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: would dial in something up coming out of the halftime
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: with him, and I think it was him and then
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Henderson with something they they wanted to get to the edge,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: and I give the Seahawks credit, they sniff sniffed both
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: of those out.
• 34:38
  Speaker 14: He threw it as the one on the back shoulder.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: You mean it was down the sideline in front of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the Patriots bench.
• 34:46
  Speaker 17: Yeah, he drake through it as a back shoulder and
• 34:49
  Speaker 17: Pop tried to adjust to it. But it doesn't have
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: the biggest catch radios, so it just didn't happen.
• 34:54
  Speaker 14: But there was like.
• 34:56
  Speaker 17: Fot look right, there was like four or five times
• 34:59
  Speaker 17: on the on the film where pop Is opened deep
• 35:02
  Speaker 17: and they.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Just well I saw what you saw.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: But what was going on with May at that time,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Like he's under pressure?
• 35:08
  Speaker 17: Yeah right, so like yeah, you know, but if they
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: were able to block it up, then I think they
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: would have had opportunities, you know, against even like he
• 35:18
  Speaker 17: ran on a sixteen yard scramble on third down in
• 35:21
  Speaker 17: the fourth quarter that you know, moved the chains and everything.
• 35:24
  Speaker 17: Pop is he's remains a thrower a little bit longer.
• 35:27
  Speaker 17: It's that might be a touchdown if he sees them
• 35:29
  Speaker 17: down the field. You know, There's a lot of that
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: going on. I just it was very disappointing that that
• 35:36
  Speaker 17: they got out coached as badly as they did on offense.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Now you say out coached just because they couldn't scheme
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: up protection enough or.
• 35:44
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I just thought that their their whole pressure plan
• 35:47
  Speaker 17: was out of I don't even know what it was,
• 35:50
  Speaker 17: to be honest with you. I mean, they there was
• 35:53
  Speaker 17: just too many instances where there is free runners at
• 35:55
  Speaker 17: may like they're they're just bringing overloading a side of
• 35:58
  Speaker 17: the protection. And like when you talk about blitzes and
• 36:01
  Speaker 17: protections and stuff, you have two kind of obvious ways
• 36:04
  Speaker 17: to go about it. You can either scheme up something
• 36:07
  Speaker 17: to throw hot and get the ball out of the
• 36:08
  Speaker 17: quarterback's hands by throwing behind the blitz underneath the defense,
• 36:13
  Speaker 17: or you can try to load up on blockers and
• 36:15
  Speaker 17: bring six seven guys in and try to block it
• 36:17
  Speaker 17: and then take shots out of blocking it that way,
• 36:20
  Speaker 17: because you're gonna have the one on ones on the outside.
• 36:23
  Speaker 17: And they just kind of were left without an either answer.
• 36:27
  Speaker 17: They didn't they weren't blocking it. You know, they were
• 36:30
  Speaker 17: sending guys down the field against blitzes and there's nobody
• 36:33
  Speaker 17: in the block for it. And there's three vertical routes
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: that he's looking at, and it's like, well, where's he
• 36:37
  Speaker 17: supposed to think that.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Seattle just did a really good job of disguising what
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: they were going to do and just doing what we
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: didn't think they were going to do in certain situations,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: like if we if their defense did what we thought,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: we would have had it blocked. But they just seemed
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: to be out guessing us or you know, because like
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: we went through this whole season and it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Never looked that bad. Yeah, I mean, well the Texans
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: looked pretty.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Bad against other opponents of the Seahawks. This is kind
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: of what they do.
• 37:08
  Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I made of the best blitzing defense in football.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: They are, but like teams were able to score some
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: points on them. I mean we I mean, let let's
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: face it, were they if it wasn't until the end.
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: Like number one we were in defense in the NFL.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: They were the number one scoring defense. So the Rams
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: scored on him. The Rams scored on him.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: They allowed thirty twice. Yeah, once the Rams want to
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Tampa Bay.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, I was all I wanted was in the twenties.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I don't need thirty. Well, well they don't allow twenty.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: They allowed seventeen.
• 37:36
  Speaker 17: But it's also just you know, I would have taken
• 37:38
  Speaker 17: that too either way. And I you know, McDonald deserves
• 37:42
  Speaker 17: a lot. He's a great play caller, and he does
• 37:44
  Speaker 17: when to time it up. He knows when, uh, you
• 37:47
  Speaker 17: know where the weaknesses are and protections, you know, things
• 37:50
  Speaker 17: of that nature. I mean, they were just they were
• 37:52
  Speaker 17: just blitzing the crap out of the B gap. Like
• 37:55
  Speaker 17: they were just sending two guys right through the B gap.
• 37:57
  Speaker 17: The back can only take one, so there's just always
• 38:00
  Speaker 17: going to be somebody unblocked every single time. So, like
• 38:03
  Speaker 17: I said, you know, you just there's way there are
• 38:06
  Speaker 17: answers to these things that offenses have, there's tools to
• 38:09
  Speaker 17: solve it. Now, is that Drake may pre snap recognizing
• 38:12
  Speaker 17: that things are coming and getting into protections. Is that systemically,
• 38:17
  Speaker 17: like they're you typically a system that wants to block
• 38:20
  Speaker 17: it rather than throwing hot against unblocked rushers. So like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 17: is that a communication thing, pre snap and identification thing.
• 38:28
  Speaker 17: Is that flaw with the system that they need to
• 38:32
  Speaker 17: look at? Maybe yeah, throwing hot more because I thought
• 38:35
  Speaker 17: in the fourth quarter, even though it was a little
• 38:36
  Speaker 17: bit too late at that point, he hit Remandre in
• 38:39
  Speaker 17: the flat for thirteen yards. He hit Kyle Williams on
• 38:42
  Speaker 17: a speed out against the same pressures that they had
• 38:45
  Speaker 17: been bringing. So it was too late at that point,
• 38:47
  Speaker 17: but they did start to find some answers to it late,
• 38:51
  Speaker 17: So you know, that was to me was them throwing
• 38:54
  Speaker 17: hot against the blitzes though, and not having him try
• 38:57
  Speaker 17: to block it. So, like I, whatever the it is,
• 39:01
  Speaker 17: they didn't have one right, so you got to come
• 39:03
  Speaker 17: up with a better solution.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I just think the guys are better than our guys.
• 39:07
  Speaker 14: I mean, there's nobody there to block the guy.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I do think both things can be true.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Like you know, I wouldn't necessarily push back on Evan
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: saying that they didn't get out coached, because I think
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: they did. And I wouldn't push back on someone and say, well,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: what do you expect Josh to do? The other guy
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: just had more talent. I think that's accurate too. Sometimes
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: both things can be true.
• 39:26
  Speaker 17: When if you're talking about the four man rushes, and
• 39:28
  Speaker 17: I'm with you, you have five guys, they have four,
• 39:30
  Speaker 17: and they're getting home with four man rushes.
• 39:32
  Speaker 14: That's a problem. They had an eighty six percent pressure
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: rate when they blitzed in this game.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Oh no, they hit.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: Every single long But I also think like there was
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: one particular blitz that and I know Witherspoon blitz like
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: four or five times, and I think he got picked
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: up once. Those are the one, but there was one
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: in particular that he came and it looked like his
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: timing was way off and he was late, and that's
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: usually danger zone for the defense. But he zigzagged like
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: with an athleticism that I don't think there's just anybody does.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: I think he a good player and has a knack
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: for that. I think you know, when you get into
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: open space like that and you find a way to
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: get to the quarterback and you got home.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Now. I also think.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: And people don't want to talk about this, but also
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: something that Evan said is really true, Like some of
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: this stuff is on Drake.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: I thought he held the ball a little bit early
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: in the game, yep. And I don't think he was
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: seeing it quickly enough. And I do think, like like
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Evan made, and I know exactly the two players you're
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: talking about, they got to him immediately on that little
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: swing to Remondre Stevenson. And again I'm dismissing the play
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: because of when it happened, but there were probably other
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: opportunities to do stuff like that that I don't think
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: he looked like, no, right, you know, well no, I
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: mean this drive chart is unbelievable.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I agree that he held the ball.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: They had seventy eight yards in the first three quarters.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Like the longest drive was the first drive of the
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: game for twenty eight yards.
• 40:55
  Speaker 17: Yeah, and I got that drive though, is the drive
• 40:57
  Speaker 17: that was the way they had to play It was
• 40:59
  Speaker 17: a six yard run on first down. They got two
• 41:02
  Speaker 17: yards on second down and a little flat you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 17: ball on the flat to Ramandre Stevenson first down and
• 41:07
  Speaker 17: just keep on chipping away at it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 14: And the other thing that I thought.
• 41:10
  Speaker 17: It was first outs was just bizarre was how little
• 41:13
  Speaker 17: they've they've featured the backs in this game. Like I
• 41:15
  Speaker 17: thought they were running the ball a little bit on them,
• 41:17
  Speaker 17: not for big plays, but I was keeping them on
• 41:20
  Speaker 17: schedule so that they weren't in third and fifteen, and
• 41:23
  Speaker 17: they were like chipping away with the run game with Remandre,
• 41:26
  Speaker 17: like he was grinding out some tough yards between the
• 41:29
  Speaker 17: tackles that were making it second and five instead of
• 41:33
  Speaker 17: second and fifteen.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: He played Welldre.
• 41:36
  Speaker 17: Yeah, Henderson had a seven yard run. He had a
• 41:38
  Speaker 17: nine yard run on a little toss play. They ran
• 41:40
  Speaker 17: a nice shovel rpo shovel.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: They both averaged three yards of carriage.
• 41:45
  Speaker 17: Yeah, but that's the team you're going up against. Like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 17: you're not gonna be if you get into long down
• 41:49
  Speaker 17: and distances against Seattle, that's when Devin Witherspoon's coming through that.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: I think they were getting in some of those with
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: some some stuffed runs early in some of the hissions.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: I just don't think they had any answers for anything
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Seattle was doing.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: But I don't put it like I don't know, maybe I'm.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Just too defensive of Josh, Like maybe I know I
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: am a little bit too.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: But I think what's troubling is I mean the Witherspoon
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: blitzing was kind of their twist, right, Like, this wasn't
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: something that they did him specifically.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: But they may look so they talk so much about
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: all the games.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: That, right, but I just may look unaware of him,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: unaware of him when he's coming through. He's not even
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: looking his way and that like, so you know, and
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: I just I go back to is he calling out
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: the right protection? Is he calling out the right mics like,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: but I see the same things that you guys saw
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: with the blitzing, and they're blitzing him off and Pop's
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: got nobody on him.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: You just stopped turning around.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: What I love to see next year is is those
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: pressure beaters where when you're up against the team that
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: you know has the advantage getting the ball out of
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: your quarterback's hands, giving him options to be able to
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: We just don't seem to be We haven't.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Been able to do it all year.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's been a problem.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: It's becoming apparent what you know, when Drake's off his
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: game at this stage in his career, what it looks like.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: And this was some of the stuff we saw in
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: the summer where he's drifting a little bit into pressure,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: he's looking the wrong way, and Seattle seem to have
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: a beat on those things, and we're able to expose it.
• 43:15
  Speaker 17: There's a lot of, you know, pros and cons to
• 43:18
  Speaker 17: doing it, you know, either way. You know, a lot
• 43:21
  Speaker 17: of the West Coast coaches, my guy Kyle Shanahan, a
• 43:24
  Speaker 17: lot of those guys, they just throw hot against blitzes.
• 43:27
  Speaker 17: They don't worry about the quarterback trying to get up
• 43:29
  Speaker 17: there and be a chess master and move guys around
• 43:32
  Speaker 17: and protect it and all this different stuff. They just
• 43:35
  Speaker 17: have pre programmed hot routes within the concept, right, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 17: that's how they do it, you know, typically, and I
• 43:42
  Speaker 17: don't know one hundred percent that this is how they
• 43:43
  Speaker 17: do They only do it this way or that way.
• 43:45
  Speaker 17: But typically with McDaniels, they've always been a let's change
• 43:50
  Speaker 17: the play at the line of scrimmage to block it
• 43:53
  Speaker 17: instead of let's react to it post snap.
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: But when you have a twenty three year old quarterback.
• 43:57
  Speaker 17: Who's only in his second season, he's not Tom Brady like,
• 44:01
  Speaker 17: he's not going to get to the line of scrimmage.
• 44:03
  Speaker 17: And you know the quarterbacks that had success against Seattle,
• 44:06
  Speaker 17: our thirty seven year old Matthew Stafford, who can get
• 44:09
  Speaker 17: to the line of scrimmage and kind of get a
• 44:10
  Speaker 17: feel for what they're in and see the.
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: Right and do it that way.
• 44:15
  Speaker 17: So I think that Drake may plays better when he's
• 44:19
  Speaker 17: confident the ball's coming out.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I'd like to dictate on offense instead of react. And
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: you know, even if they don't bring pressure, having those
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: quick plays, you know, timing plays, getting the ball out
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: of the quarterback's hands quickly, keeps the defense on their heels,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: sets up longer shots, sets up the run play. You know,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I think though that those quick, high percentage passes in
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: today's day and age are actually you're kind of good
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: run plays that set everything else up.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Well you need.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, I honestly believe in what Dante Scarneki has said,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: every quarterback needs his binkie, and to me, the biggie
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: is someone that you can always rely on to get open. Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: You know, I kind of been thinking about as a
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: guy like Colston Loveland. I think that's the kind of
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: guy that, like Drake, I feel like would love a
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: big lane, athletic tight end with a big catch radius,
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: like like you know, a tight end versus Mac Collins.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, to be honest, a little disappointment Collins a
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: little disappointed. Maybe he kind of was a tight end thicker,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: but that was kind of disappointed with Hunter Henry and
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: I mean this playoffs and I just feel like, you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: is this a sign he's over thirty? Hooper's a free agent,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: that's a spot to me, I agree with what Paul said,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: get definitely, but like there's no question they need to
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: probably talk about Isaiah likely a little bit this offseason.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: But if you could get an elite kind of mover
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: with a big catch radius, somebody that Drake likes, that
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: that could be the big and he's he's.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Got to work on his accuracy to under pressure. A
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: couple of throws too, you know Hooper twice ye throws.
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: One of them to Hooper was a bad route, but
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: I don't know which one of the other.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: One there was one that he was he one in.
• 45:59
  Speaker 14: From his own end zone was a bad and the
• 46:01
  Speaker 14: route was not.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, that's I think that's the one.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking to stop just writing a little flag out.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing, all right.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Eighty five to five Pass five hundred is the hotline
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email address. Let's
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: get to it. Let's see what everyone has to say.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I'm sure everyone needs to uh get a little therapy here,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: get some stuff off their chest. Let's keep it clean.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: I'm only kid herms in DC. What's herm? You're first?
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: What's going on? Fella?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 46:37
  Speaker 18: I don't know.
• 46:38
  Speaker 13: I could think of so many different directions.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: But we have a lot of people waiting yeah.
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: I guess that was disappointed in really the coaches because
• 46:46
  Speaker 13: it didn't seem like they were they hadn't.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Ready to play.
• 46:50
  Speaker 18: I mean your points to three quarters, that's that's I mean, that's.
• 46:53
  Speaker 13: Not really producing to win a super Bowl game. But
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: I guess my question is big picture and if you
• 46:59
  Speaker 13: guys talk about it over, I guess what positions we
• 47:03
  Speaker 13: need to be addressed? There is a off season or
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: two obviously take the next step, all.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean, like I said, there's a lot of them.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, right now everyone's focused on the line and
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: left tackle. So let's let's let's address the elephant in
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: the room is is will Campbell your left tackle for
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Forget about the twenty six Mike Rabel just told you,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: But what do you think should he be?
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I do think you should be a to
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: give him more time, like Mike said. But also, b
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: you just acquired two tackles in twenty five. You drafted
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: one at four and you signed it free agent. And
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: Morgan Moses, Morgan Moses is probably going to need to
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: be replaced soon, sooner rather than later. If you wanted
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: to draft a tackle, maybe in the second round.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: I haven't delved into this, not to it's actually not
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: to jump on Evans like I tackle class like it's
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: maybe thirty one.
• 48:01
  Speaker 17: I don't think you're going to draft the tackle that's
• 48:03
  Speaker 17: gonna be better Will Campbell at thirty one.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: What I'm saying for like maybe the you know, a
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: potential replacement on the right side, and then you so
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: you you go in, you have some depth here to
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: fill in, and then you figure out definitively in twenty six,
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: if it looks the same as it did this year,
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: then I would be I would strongly think about making
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: a move for twenty seven. If you show significant improvement
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: this year, you know, in twenty six, then you say, great,
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: we were patient and we knew this guy was the
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: player that we drafted at four, and you go forward
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: with it.
• 48:33
  Speaker 17: I know there's gonna be a lot of questions about
• 48:35
  Speaker 17: needs and target players to target and stuff like that,
• 48:38
  Speaker 17: But I think the most important part right now is,
• 48:41
  Speaker 17: like what happened offensively that led them to averaging twelve
• 48:45
  Speaker 17: points a game less in the playoffs than they did
• 48:47
  Speaker 17: in the regular season. Was it just the competition was
• 48:51
  Speaker 17: so elite that they just got bogged down.
• 48:53
  Speaker 14: Was it injury? You know Campbell with his need you know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 14: Greig May with his shoulder, was it?
• 48:59
  Speaker 17: They need more talent, they need upgrades? Is it like
• 49:03
  Speaker 17: right like right now?
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 49:05
  Speaker 14: Is it system?
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I want to build an offense that plans on facing
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: an elite defense every week, right, and you're not going
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: to score thirty points every week, but to have some
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: type of you know, plan or defense against a good defense.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
• 49:22
  Speaker 17: They just need to do you know, the autopsies right
• 49:24
  Speaker 17: now is the most important part, Like why did they
• 49:28
  Speaker 17: drop off so big offensively in the playoffs? And before
• 49:32
  Speaker 17: we start talking about moving Campbell or you know, acquiring
• 49:36
  Speaker 17: number one wide receivers and using a big asset on that, like,
• 49:39
  Speaker 17: they need to figure out what they feel like was
• 49:41
  Speaker 17: the main reasons that they only average sixteen points a
• 49:45
  Speaker 17: game in the playoffs. And I don't care who you're playing,
• 49:47
  Speaker 17: that's not going to be good enough, you know. And
• 49:50
  Speaker 17: so it didn't catch up to them until the Super Bowl,
• 49:53
  Speaker 17: but most likely in the future it will catch up
• 49:56
  Speaker 17: to them sooner than that.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to play better teams next year,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: which on paper we will, it will catch up to
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: them sooner. So I think I think part of a
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: lot of it is Drake. I don't I think I
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: don't think he's fully baked yet. I think he still
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: needs time in the oven.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: He had six touchdowns and four picks. Yeah, in seven fumbles.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: I mean it was sacked a record NFL record twenty
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: one times.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: Sacked twenty one times, and you know, his completion percentage
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: was under sixty percent four games, So you could just say, well,
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: postseason sometimes that's the sceiving gets a that's a four
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: game snapshot.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: It's clock needs to speed up.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: So I think Evan's point is dead on, Like, you
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: need to figure out why was it ess Drake.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Was it a combination of protection in Drake?
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: Was he not setting the right protections where the guy's
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: not blocked, Like there was one sack that.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Wilson just got walked right back into May.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: And I also thought that was a sack that I
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: was really stunged that May took like that he didn't
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: see that walked right into his lap and then he
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: you know, it was like and then he gets sacked.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: So it's probably a combination of a variety of things.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: Evan's point is right. You need to find out the
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: whys that you went sixteen points basically twenty one. They
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: scored twenty eight, but that was a pick six with
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones sixteen, twenty one, ten and thirteen in your
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: in your playoff games, and really two of those sevens
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: were defensive, right.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: It's just no easy decisions on the offensive line and
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: the fact that Vrabel said Will Campbell's are left tackle.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: That's the only thing I'm positive now about that team.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: I love Morgan Moses to your point, Paul, can we
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: count on him next year? Another year older to play
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: every game. Michael Winn's making a lot of money. Do
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: they feel like he is the right value for what
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: they need? Garrett Bradberry was great this year.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I think I got to keep it, but he.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Got Bradberry had a tough time in this one too,
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: and we know he's been up and down praise for
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: his leadership though. And then Wilson might be the air
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: apparent at that so I just I'm not sure where
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: you start, like.
• 51:59
  Speaker 17: You that's a tricky part of his center because I
• 52:03
  Speaker 17: think the best thing to do would be to move
• 52:04
  Speaker 17: Jared Wilson back to center and then sign a left
• 52:07
  Speaker 17: guard that dude like should have been Joe Toney. It
• 52:11
  Speaker 17: was you know, someone that is a veteran that can
• 52:14
  Speaker 17: play next to Campbell and can help Campbell.
• 52:17
  Speaker 14: You know, through all of this type of stuff.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: It's a good point.
• 52:19
  Speaker 17: But if you're gonna do that is Garrett Bradberry out.
• 52:23
  Speaker 17: Is Jared Wilson now not a starter next year? You know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 17: like do you make that a camp battle between two
• 52:29
  Speaker 17: guys that you really like and like don't want to
• 52:32
  Speaker 17: you know, I know it's not the boy scouts right now.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Where Jared Wilson should be in twenty twenty six.
• 52:38
  Speaker 17: I would hope that they see him still as a center.
• 52:41
  Speaker 17: I just think that his issue is his body type,
• 52:45
  Speaker 17: his issues against anchoring, against power.
• 52:47
  Speaker 14: I think he's a naturally center.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I hope that they agree or don't agree and make
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: and know right now this is his position. Well, I
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: wonder that I don't want to be finding out.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: The big thing to me would be Bradbury, Like what
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: do they feel about bradbar.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Yep, make him a super sub.
• 53:06
  Speaker 14: He's only ever played center.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: He's only played center. Yeah, okay, well Ben Brown's you're
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: super so yeah.
• 53:11
  Speaker 17: I just I wonder if maybe, and maybe it might
• 53:15
  Speaker 17: be you know, too picky in terms of type, but
• 53:18
  Speaker 17: like you know, there is a way that if you
• 53:20
  Speaker 17: can get like the right kind of left guard to
• 53:23
  Speaker 17: play next to Will Campbell, that that could really help
• 53:25
  Speaker 17: Will Campbell out a lot. You know, a guy that's
• 53:27
  Speaker 17: a little bit wider, that takes up a little bit
• 53:28
  Speaker 17: more space, it's a little stronger, you know, all those
• 53:31
  Speaker 17: types of things that could really help him out a ton.
• 53:34
  Speaker 17: But then your your musical chairs, you know at center
• 53:39
  Speaker 17: and with Jared Wilson, who you like and is a
• 53:41
  Speaker 17: player you picked high and all that kind of stuff.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: Which I'm not I mean, I hate the worst diving
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: in the offseason. But Vadarian Lowe's a free agent, do
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: you re sign him? Do you go out? I mean,
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: I'd add a guard in the tackle that I think
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: have potential to start at some point, whether it's a
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: veteran that can come in right in a start, or
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: draft a rookie tackle who maybe could I want to
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: take that Vadarian low spot.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: Maybe you got us Bryant, and I wonder what they
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: think of Marcus Bryant, and you know, he didn't get
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: any opportunities really to play I don't know if that
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: means he wasn't ready for them or they didn't need it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: Like I said, you had a couple of guys that
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: almost never play full seasons, played full seasons in Carlton
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: Davis and Morgan Moses. Those are two guys that are
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: constantly missing four games a year, and the fact that
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: they didn't was one of the reasons why you were
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: so successful.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, danny'snt Daytona. What's up? Danny?
• 54:30
  Speaker 19: Hey, how's it going guys?
• 54:31
  Speaker 20: You guys back from radio row?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I sees, yeah, we're back from radio row.
• 54:36
  Speaker 20: All right, I'm gonna make this quick. Evan and Paul,
• 54:40
  Speaker 20: you guys hit it on the nail on the coffin,
• 54:43
  Speaker 20: or the hit the nail on the hitd on the coffin.
• 54:46
  Speaker 20: I would say, this is my opinion. I'm gonna make
• 54:49
  Speaker 20: this click on the line. I think the whole line
• 54:52
  Speaker 20: should be a battle next year. What they need to
• 54:54
  Speaker 20: do is, like Danner Lofty stood on ESPN and several
• 54:58
  Speaker 20: analysts across the league were staying after the game, I
• 55:01
  Speaker 20: sat back and was kind of digesting a lot of stuff,
• 55:03
  Speaker 20: and let I put all my most inside yesterday. I
• 55:06
  Speaker 20: think in twenty twenty six, Mike Rabel needs to do
• 55:10
  Speaker 20: what Bill Beliseck did for years, making an open competition.
• 55:14
  Speaker 20: Will Campbell needs to fight for his spot. Uh next
• 55:17
  Speaker 20: year for the line and left tackle. There's whom the
• 55:20
  Speaker 20: guys of the Texas.
• 55:21
  Speaker 19: There's a guy that.
• 55:23
  Speaker 20: The Texans are selected in the mock draft of this
• 55:26
  Speaker 20: Procter guy. I think if they can get somebody at
• 55:29
  Speaker 20: the bottom draft. Yeah, it may not be a great
• 55:31
  Speaker 20: tackle last but you bring in somebody. Last year, I
• 55:33
  Speaker 20: think Paul brought this up in the beginning of the
• 55:35
  Speaker 20: season that there was no competition for Will Campbell.
• 55:39
  Speaker 19: He was just slated to just.
• 55:40
  Speaker 20: Kind of go in there and be the guy. So
• 55:42
  Speaker 20: next year, this coming season, you bring in competition for
• 55:45
  Speaker 20: Will Campbell. He has to fight in earth for a spot.
• 55:47
  Speaker 20: This is the National Football League. You gotta fight for
• 55:49
  Speaker 20: your spot and earn it. It's not given.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna fight for a spot regardless. It's
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: gonna be backups to Will Campbell. But see, I get that, like,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: you know, you want everyone competing, and you know, go
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: into camp and make it an open competition.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do that.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: I want them to go into camp knowing who they
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: think is going to be the starters, and let's go
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: And we're also advocating for like, oh they need to
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: have Okay, so Venarian Lowe wasn't deemed enough competition for well,
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: there aren't enough tackles in the league as it is.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: Like now the Patriots are going to have like a
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: starting caliber tackle that's going to push Will Campbell.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Like they just used the fourth overall pick on a tackle.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: That's why I would not advocate moving him to guard
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: right now. I think he's probably going to end up there.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: If you're asking me, put my hand on a bible
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: and tell you what I think. I think he's going
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: to end up as a guard. But I wouldn't do
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: it now. I would see it through. You took the
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: fourth overall pick, make sure make sure before you move it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: We talked to Robert Gallery last week right as one
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: of our one of our many guests. I'm sure you
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: guys all enjoyed a lot of those guests. Number two
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: overall pick in the draft was considered a generational.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Blue ship prospect. Blue Ship. He spent two years two
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: three years at tackle before he became a guard. It happens,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I mean sometimes it happens. You know, you don't want.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: No one wants that to be the case. But if
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: he ends up.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: Being a good guard, uh or even an elite guard,
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: is that better than being sort of a run of
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: the mill tackle.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, Mike Grabel might say, no, it's more valuable
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: to have a serviceable tackle than an elite guard. And
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: if that's what they feel, I'm not the football games
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: that's what they are.
• 57:35
  Speaker 17: I mean, especially with the supply and demand, right, Like,
• 57:37
  Speaker 17: you know, it's easy, much easier to find playable guards,
• 57:40
  Speaker 17: and no one has tackles to play tackles. But I
• 57:42
  Speaker 17: would just say, like, the line played bad in the
• 57:45
  Speaker 17: Super Bowl, full stop, but let's.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Not it's it was.
• 57:48
  Speaker 17: Let's not overreact and act like the line was in
• 57:51
  Speaker 17: complete shambles all season. Like the line got a lot
• 57:54
  Speaker 17: better this year compared to last year, certainly, and was
• 57:58
  Speaker 17: basically above league average for the majority of the season
• 58:01
  Speaker 17: until they hit the playoffs. So to now overreact to
• 58:05
  Speaker 17: the Super Bowl and say they need all sale changes
• 58:09
  Speaker 17: on the offensive line, I just would be careful with
• 58:12
  Speaker 17: doing that off of just one game that was admittedly bad.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Alex Is in San Diego what's up, Alex, Hey, what's up?
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Guys?
• 58:20
  Speaker 19: Welcome back. This feels a lot different than twenty seven,
• 58:25
  Speaker 19: twenty eleven, twenty seventeen, because I felt like those games
• 58:28
  Speaker 19: just was like a well, if like something went different,
• 58:30
  Speaker 19: like we could have won, right, you know, we.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Didn't have any of that. This we need to get
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: a hot ripped out this time.
• 58:38
  Speaker 19: Yeah, But anyway, I just think moving forward, I think
• 58:41
  Speaker 19: this team really needs to get younger. I love the
• 58:44
  Speaker 19: free agents, but they're getting older. And I know it's
• 58:46
  Speaker 19: something we've talked a lot on the show, but we
• 58:48
  Speaker 19: really need to build through the draft. I know you
• 58:50
  Speaker 19: just like you talk with Morgan Moses getting up there
• 58:52
  Speaker 19: in age Garrett Bradberry's thirty Elliott Wolf had a great
• 58:56
  Speaker 19: draft in twenty five, but twenty four not so much.
• 58:59
  Speaker 19: So I really think this next draft is going to
• 59:01
  Speaker 19: be huge. But anyway, I'll take it off the line.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Alm Picks. Yeah, I mean I said this earlier.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: If you're going to lose in the Super Bowl, this
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: is the way to lose, because like you were, you
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: were dominated. You know what, there was no there was
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: no like last minute. Oh my god, if we could
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: only have done this, we would have won.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: No, I mean I would.
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: I would offer the slightest of Homer views at twenty
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: two to seven.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: They got the stop, they got the ball, and your way,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: they could have it was nineteen. If they can go
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: to and score here, maybe it was nineteen.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think about the then question when they
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: got that first touchdown, were you surprised they didn't go
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: for two?
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: Or what?
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: You gotta light it?
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: You got to light me up now, Sorry, we can
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: get that up. We've talked about this. I think they
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: got the two point conversions backwards. I would have gone
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: for two, win the first one, and I would have
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: kicked the second one.
• 59:49
  Speaker 17: I didn't think they managed the game as well at all,
• 59:51
  Speaker 17: to be honest with you, Yeah, I just I.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Couldn't talk about this stuff with all the Seahawks fans
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: that we're around. But you know what I loved about
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. The only people that like this Super
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: Bowl were Seahawks, man, because everybody else was bored out
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: of their minds.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I can't blame.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Them, so just real quick, Freddy, especially when the Patriots
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: are in it's it's.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: An amazing game.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: When the Patriots scored it was nineteen seven, so it's nineteen.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: That's eight, eight and three. That's the way I would
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: look at it. So you score if you can get eight.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: Now I can get eleven. I can get eight and three.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: If I miss it, I still need two touchdowns to
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: take the lead. Right, So it's not like I cost
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: myself anything in terms of touchdown. I don't need three touchdowns.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: If I don't get it, I still need two touchdowns.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: I would be down thirteen instead of twelve. I don't
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: see much of a difference between thirteen and twelve. The
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: second touchdown, they make it twenty nine to thirteen, and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: at sixteen if you kick it there and make it
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: fifteen again, that's only one two point conversion you need
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: to tie. Potentially, they opted to go for two, and
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: now what foshes you if you don't get it to need.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Two twos to tie? It was like back to the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Falcon the Falcon super Bowl. You need two touchdowns? Two twos?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Were they major things in the game. No, but I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: would have I would have done it.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: The opposite was sitting up there and like what thinks
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: about that?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 17: I just wanted to put any sort of game pressure
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 17: on Sam Darnold and they just never got there. When
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 17: they made it nineteen to seven, and then they got
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 17: the stop. I was like, a score here would at
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 17: least make him feel Oh.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that fumble at that point was the pick.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 14: I think it was the pick. Pick yeah, and and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 14: the pick.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 17: You know, he almost threw a pick three plays earlier
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 17: on the same thing where he just eaving it up
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 17: and it's one.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Of the best throws of the night.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: It turned out to be he threw into like an
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: unbelievable defensive team meeting. It was like, yeah, and then
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: the next play was his best throw, the touchdown to Hollins.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: But that that play to Hollins that got him down
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: there was like, I can't believe that didn't get intercepted.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I couldn't help, but.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Think about you know, with it wasn't going great, but
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: when you had Tom Brady, you knew that at some
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: point he was gonna start playing good. And like you
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  Speaker 4: just had that confidence that and and then you realize
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  Speaker 4: you're like, Drake hasn't done that yet, Like you know,
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  Speaker 4: you like twenty eight to three, and.
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  Speaker 5: You're like, let's put it this way, Like someone had
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  Speaker 5: asked me, I didn't put this on air. Obviously someone
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: had asked me about the nod, Like, in my mind,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: the nod came really early in this game. But if
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady was playing, it wouldn't have wouldn't have been
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  Speaker 5: the same.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, when it was nineteen to seventy through the pick,
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  Speaker 14: like I just.
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  Speaker 2: Was, he was that was probably the finality.
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  Speaker 17: He was trying like he was trying to get twelve
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  Speaker 17: points in one drive, and like they were.
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  Speaker 14: They got off their own goal line.
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  Speaker 17: They had been chipping away a little bit at it right,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 17: a couple of dump offs to Stevenson, a scramble, and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 17: then he just started going for broke and I was like,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 17: just making nineteen fourteen and see what happens, Like there's
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 17: still nine minutes left in the game.
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  Speaker 14: It just was not a good game. They just did
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 14: not play well.
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  Speaker 1: Think ultimately, your Super Bowl experience might ultimately be helpful down.
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  Speaker 15: I think you can use it as a learning experience
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  Speaker 15: and experience that you have a chance to, you remember
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  Speaker 15: for the rest of my career, the rest of my life.
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  Speaker 15: And it's a chance to you'll battle back for something
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  Speaker 15: that didn't go your way or you wish would have
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 15: gone different, and give you fuel.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 9: To to remember that.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 15: And and that's what you give me, something to work for.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 15: I think, something for this team to work for, in
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 15: this organization and these coaches. And you know, we came
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 15: up short and every went love the last two playing
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 15: at the same time. So it's it's hard to you know,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 15: really reflect on it. You know this this early, but
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 15: you'll know from the kind of the quick you know, twenty.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 9: Four or forty eight hours.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 15: It has been that you know, we left it all
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 15: out there, I know that, and we came up short
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 15: and you didn't execute or play how we wanted to.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 15: But there's a lot of teams, there's a lot of
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 15: things that this team did well and we can use
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 15: it down the road. Is you know, we get back
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 15: in OTAs or get back in training camp, like what
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 15: could be the difference or what can we do a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 15: little extra?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: What could I do you know in the quarterback room?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: What can we do in the quarterback room a little more?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 15: Uh, you'll find answers and you know to make the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 15: throw or two to make those plays in those situations
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 15: that you know, kind of change the out to come
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 15: in the game.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for coming in first of all time to us
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: and making the time to rest.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 15: Yeah, the last year was a little bit different case
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 15: just with uh compredit this year just the coaches and stuff.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: So, you know, looking ahead physically, I think one of
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: the questions just where are you physically in terms of
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: can you say like you won't need any surgery or
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: anything going forward to set yourself up for the off
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: season to help.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 15: Yeah, just get some time off, your time off. Your
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 15: time is the best healer, and you know, definitely just
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 15: need time off.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 9: You know, nothing that.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 15: You know needs any thing to be done, just some
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 15: time away and time to you'll get some rest and
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 15: it's just time away from football.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 22: Drake.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 10: How good do you feel just about the foundation that
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 10: you guys said this season and what that does for
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 10: be looking forward?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 15: Yes, coaches, then in the in the in the squad meeting,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 15: just what we kind of the star we set you
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 15: know for this for this city, for this fan base,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 15: you know, kind of got them, got them back, get
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 15: some energy.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 9: Back in the city.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 15: I think that's what you know, we talked about in
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 15: the quarterback room all year long about you know, turning
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 15: the city back up, and you know, I think we
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 15: did that. I think you felt that this year. You
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 15: felt that at you know, you know on Sunday, you know,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 15: in the game and you know we're at the the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 15: biggest game on the highest level, and you know, the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 15: Pats they said we were back. But you know, we
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 15: came up a little short. But sometimes it happens, and
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 15: sometimes you know, you do whist things would have gone different.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 15: But I can't say hav any regrets besides not making
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 15: you a few extra more plays and few extra throws
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 15: in that game.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: Was your biggest takeaway after watching.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 9: The Yeah, I think we just lost.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 15: I think they made more plays than we did and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 15: they were the better team on Sunday, and you know
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 15: they deserve to win.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: And we just.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: You know, we couldn't.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 15: Speaking for myself, couldn't get you enough going on offense,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 15: you know, to help our team.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 11: Wind you talk about with Karen and they have also
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 11: a duck this year about learning and take you away
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 11: from the Super bo Bowl, but from the year as
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 11: a whole, from what you learned this year, what you
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 11: take from this year to help you going forward.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 15: I think, first off, just what a what a long
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 15: journey it is, you know, to get to that game
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 15: and you as many you know, bumps or bruises or
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 15: you know, time you spend or how long it's field.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 15: It's it's really you know, it's it's worth it when
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 15: you are in that game and you have a chance
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 15: to to win Super Bowl, and I think that's what
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 15: you do it for.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 9: And it's really hard.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 15: To make it seem like, you know, the games behind
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 15: don't matter, you know, but that's really the case.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 9: When you get to that stage, the games behind.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 15: You know, they the twenty other games that we played,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 15: and they really you know, it felt like the last
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 15: one is one that really mattered.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: And I think that's what you kind of learned about.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 15: That's what you go to work for and improve and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 15: try to not try to stay at the same level
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 15: you're coming in the next year and try to act like, man,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 15: we're here and we're fine.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 9: We just need to keep doing what we're doing.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 15: You got to elevate, and you know teams are going
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 15: to be you're looking at you know, what we did,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 15: how we you improved so quickly, and and how we
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 15: you know, want a division and on the A f
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 15: C and a lot of the great things. So teams
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 15: are gonna try to you'll have a bulls eye on
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 15: us to try to you'll stop us. So we gotta
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 15: you not try to be complacent and know that your
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 15: teams are gonna be chasing us, and we've got to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 15: try to chase chase the Seahawks.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 11: Will Campbell's depends.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I know you guys have such a like rach Off, just.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 11: What's this first season bend like?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 21: Playing with them?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 15: Yeah, it's you know, it's a pleasure of going out
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 15: there with Will, you know every time. I know, I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 15: know it's probably been a long year for for the rookies,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 15: your long year for Will, a long year for these
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 15: guys to get adapted to you'll play in the NFL,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 15: and I think Will is you know, a great case
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 15: of you know, somebody who's experienced it all. You experience,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 15: you know, ups and downs, you know, injury side of it,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 15: the long the long times we get gotta you don't
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 15: want to talk to the media, but you have to.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 15: Or either the expectations of a first round pick. I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 15: think he's dealt with so much this year it's gonna
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 15: it's only gonna be great for him in the future.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 15: He's gonna be a great player in this league. Already
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 15: has a great player in this league. And I look
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 15: forward to, you know, getting back in you see him
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 15: in the off season, hanging out with them, and get
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 15: back in the US. You know, you know, I love Will,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 15: and you know I'll look forward to playing with him
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 15: for a long time.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 10: Will do you have.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 11: Like what's your off season that looked like this year
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 11: perhaps compared to last.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: Year, Like you have any uh, you know.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: Playing to kind of chill and then get.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 15: Back to it or yeah, I can't say too much.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 15: You know this this off season, I gotta I got
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 15: a wife. Now, we got a beautiful wife. So know
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 15: I look forward to, uh, you'll spend this off season
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 15: with my wife, and that's kind of my first thought.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: That's gonna be the highlight of my off season. I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: can tell you that.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 21: Any think about you know, you kind of mentioned towards
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 21: the end when you're talking talking about the shoulder that
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 21: it is just you know, kind of a long season,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 21: you know, just sort comes with that.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Is there anything you learn in terms of like how
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: to prepare, how to take care of you take care
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: of your course of long season you might.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: Be able to use their streating thing.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 15: I mean, I feel like my arm was feeling feeling
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 15: great all year. I don't think throwing really was the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 15: instance from my arm. I think it's you know, a
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 15: case of you're having them. One you know, hit in
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 15: the NSC Championship game that was just kind of unfortunate
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 15: and unfortunate timing and unfortunate kind of what Uh just
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 15: like I said, the timing of it, and you know,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 15: the two weeks was was great to have off, to
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 15: have a chance.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 9: To be out there and be out.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 15: There for my guys, And yeah, I mean you can't
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 15: you know, blame things on injuries. You know, things happened
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 15: like this all the time in the league. It was
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 15: was blessed this year, what year of you know, you know,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 15: health and blessings for me this year. You can't you know,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 15: stone it on one little thing on the shoulder. So
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 15: this is unfortunately it happened to be throwing one. But
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 15: at the same time, you know I could have prevented
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 15: it or or you'll make more plays. You know, I
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 15: was feeling like I was able to make throws in
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 15: the game and was myself so nothing that, yeah, have
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 15: any thing really just much else to say about that drag.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: No might be to flight talking down, But where do
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: you feel like you made the most strikes the season
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: where you Josh McDaniel's working with Ashton Grant and are
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: there any things in soft season did you feel like
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: you're going to hold.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: In on early? Yeah?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 15: Really, you know, felt like my rookie year in this
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 15: I mean my rookie year. You know, I was in
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 15: the virtu year in this offense. You know, I was
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 15: the first full time starter had a chance to you
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 15: learned so much from a great offensive coordinator, and Ashton
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 15: has been awesome with just kind of relaying the new
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 15: connection between this the past offense that he was in with,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 15: you know, the Browns that we had later last year,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 15: and just translating it and now he's in our own
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 15: terminology and kind of building the foundation of his offense.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 15: There's so much you'll more can you'll take this offense
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 15: and you know, give me more tools and more. You'll
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 15: just answer the line of scrimmage and I think, you know,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 15: with my capability to you'll play the position and and
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 15: kind of use my knowledge of the game and learn
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 15: it from coach, you know, to get us in the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 15: best spot is only going to help us down the road.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 15: And just try to get our guys in the offensive
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 15: room and get me to that level where I'm able
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 15: to operate, you know, on the field in a game
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 15: like manner, you know, to to accomplish those things. So
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 15: I'm looking forward to it, you know, getting a chance
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 15: to being the your Lord willing and knock on wood,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 15: you know, the same offense for for the second year.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 15: That looks I'm looking forward to that. I think, you know,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 15: the sky's limit for us. We got a lot of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 15: great players in that room, in that locker room, and
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 15: I think, you know, it's gonna be fun to get
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 15: a chance to you'll find out, Hey, what maybe these
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 15: few things Drake you need to you'll really focus on,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 15: you know, maybe eliminate from your game, or you know,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 15: know what plays you you don't take a sack on,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 15: or knowing when we're across the fifty, you know, try
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 15: not to have negative plays.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 9: I think you know a little things like that, and you.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 15: Know, areas of the offense where you can take us
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 15: to the next level and coach can kind of give
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 15: me some tools and we work on. You're trying to
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 15: find that next level. So I'm looking forward to that,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 15: and that's what keeps you going.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: And now great moments in history.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Why the Patriots never blew anybody out of the Super
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: Bowls has always been a mystery to me.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: I think they kind of low key one that you know,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: I never felt like Evans says that he never had
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: any fear of losing the game against France.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: I never had any fear of losing. That's exactly.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: I had fear of going to Pittsburgh in THEFC Championship game,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: and I know what the score ended up being. But
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: that game to me was the Super Bowl. I never
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: had any fear. I thought that the Patriots did not
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: play particularly well in the first half of that game.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: The second half they asserted their dominance. They got a
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: ten point lead with whatever it was three minutes left.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: Ye Eagles got to know by the way touchdown at
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: the end.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 14: That's a perfect comparison exactly.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: How I never felt that game was in doubt. Yeah,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel fear it myself.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you were thinking you were at that one for
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: oh god, yeah, come on, Oh that was the one
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: Pop didn't get to go to.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered eighty five to
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  Speaker 3: but we're also looking ahead to twenty twenty six a
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: What would we need to do? Draft is coming up?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: The combine is coming up in what ten days or
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: something like that.
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  Speaker 4: We'll be there two weeks, two weeks from right now,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: we'll be there two weeks from yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know as Bill would. I was saying,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: you know, we're a little behind. We're all over yea,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: we are all a little behind.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: We all we No, that's dead.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Never mind, Nah, what's what's going to be our slogan
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: next year? We need more?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: We were walking me and morel we're walking out And
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: I was just like it was all they had and
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: it wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 3: All right, back to the phones we go. Let's go
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: to Brandon in Pennsylvania. What's up Brandon?
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  Speaker 10: Hey, guys, Hey, happy to be on the show.
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  Speaker 22: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: So obviously I've been listening to you know what you
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 10: guys are talking about trying not to overreact as a fan,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 10: But I have to I have to disagree with what
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 10: was said earlier about not to overreact about the offensive
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 10: line play in the playoffs, because I know I know
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 10: where they were ranked throughout the regular season. But ultimately,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 10: like Evan said, we have to build this team in
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 10: the off season as if we're going against a top
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 10: defense every week. And I think the playoffs exposed a
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 10: lot of holes in our team.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 14: So Brandon, what what what would you do?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 17: You want them to go ahead and change four starters again?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 17: Like I think that's just the point I'm trying to
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 17: make is like they already invested a lot in the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 17: offensive line last offseason. They took some steps forward this season,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 17: and now if you go back to the well and
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 17: you start changing it again.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think anyone's saying we need all five, right,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: we just you know, a creative way to upgrade it.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: Is it a guard at which spot?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: That kind of thing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, And I would also say, Brandon, you did have
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: two rookies start on the left side. And I know
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: that no one wants to go all cliche, but the
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: rookie wall is a real thing. And I do think
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: that there was signs that some of those young guys
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: their performances tailed off as the season. Now, Woodson was
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: the one who went the other way. He seemed to
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: get better as the season went. But you can make
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: an argument that the first three picks, first four picks, like,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: you know, all kind of tailed off as the season
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: wore on. I don't think Henderson was the same guy
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: in the playoffs as he was sort of in that
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: middle of the season when he was hitting all those
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: home runs. And Wilson and Campbell conceive it, you know,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: theoretically will be better players in year two.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: So I would just see it through.
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  Speaker 17: I think you just had to trust the process a
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 17: little bit because if you start, if you make another
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 17: if you make a hole again at left tackle, let's
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 17: say they move Campbell inside, now you need to use
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 17: an asset to invest again in another left tackle a
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 17: year later. And now we're talking about edge rushers, we're
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 17: talking about receivers, we're talking about you know, all these
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 17: other positions, and it's like there's only so many things
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 17: to go around, especially when you're picking thirty first in
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 17: the first round, Like they don't have a never ending
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 17: war chest to just go out there and plug.
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  Speaker 14: All these different holes. So I just you know, I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 14: think you have to hold your while.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 10: Like you just part of that was part of my
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 10: just concern of the pin because obviously I know that,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 10: like resources are limited, it's not as simple as just
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 10: plugging them in. And like going into the playoffs. Before
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 10: the playoffs, I thought, are one of our biggest acquisitions
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 10: for the next season, would get get a top perimeter threat,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 10: get a pass rusher. That's what I was kind of
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 10: hoping that we're addressed in this next coming offseason. But
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 10: then just after seeing the offensive line play, I can't
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 10: help but think that. You know, I don't want Drake
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 10: May to turn into Joe Burrow. I don't want him
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 10: to have a Te Higgins and Jamar Chase on the outside,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 10: but then he gets hit so much every year that
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: he ends up getting hurt and not even being able
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 10: to play. That's just my concern. I know it's not
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 10: a simple thing to address, but as a fan, that's
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 10: what I'm worried about because at this point, I don't
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 10: even know if getting a perimeter threat or a tight
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 10: end that was mentioned earlier to open up the field
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 10: is really gonna matter if he just gets hit every
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 10: single play. I think a lot of it has to
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 10: do with him as a young player as well being
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 10: able to address who's blitting, and I think he'll grow
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 10: from there. And I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 10: guys completely. I think that you have to trust the
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 10: process a little bit. I was just, as a fan,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 10: very disappointed.
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  Speaker 19: That's that's what suck out.
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  Speaker 2: To me, all right, Thanks Brandon, I appreciate the call.
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  Speaker 4: You look at how much work the Bengals have tried
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: to put into their offensive line and you know, it's
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: it's it's really hard to do.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 17: I just think we're losing sight of the fact that
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 17: he was just the runner up for the MVP, Like
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 17: was he on his butt all season or was he
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 17: on his butt the last coup weeks? And let's look
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 17: at it objectively and not just think about the last
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 17: thing that we just saw against maybe the best pass
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 17: rush in the NFL in Seattle. And like, you have
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 17: two young players. My biggest thing would be with Will
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 17: Campbell and Jared Wilson. I would not play them next
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 17: to each other, Like I think when you have two
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 17: young players like that playing side by side, it's so
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 17: easy to just target that one side of.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: The offensive world, right where.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 17: Like it's if you can spread him out a little bit,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 17: then it's a lot easier.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: To hide a bit of a mistake.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: When Wilson came back from his injury, not keeping Ben
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Brown in there because Brown was playing pretty well.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 17: I questioned it at the time because I just think,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 17: going back to something I said earlier, like Brown's a
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 17: bigger guard.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 14: He's a bigger, wider, more.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 17: Physical player than Jared Wilson, And like that did that
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 17: help settle Campbell down a little bit, knowing that he
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 17: had somebody with some size playing next to him, I
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 17: thought that they were better honestly, Ben Brown.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: To extrapolate, you know, brand maybe Brandy gets some of
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: his wish. Maybe that's a move and it's Wilson inside
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: the center. If they decided Bradbury's no longer there, Brown
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: they extended, so they obviously like him. Yeah, you know,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: maybe Brown gives them a little of that girth that
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: Evan's talking about next to Will Campbell. And again, I
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: expect those two guys to be better in year two.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: And I also think Wilson's not getting enough attention as
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: he's not getting it. And I know I understand fourth
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: overall pick left tackle, that's a spotlight position. And I
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: loved the way Campbell answered those questions. Today's like you
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: know that that comes with the territory. I was a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: high pick, number fourth overall, number four overall. I'm highly paid.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: I deserve to get scrutinized. You know, again, I'm paraphrasing,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: But Wilson, I don't think, has been under the same scrutiny,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: and they both they both struggled.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: Mark Is in Denver, North Carolina. I didn't know there
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: was such a thing Denver, North Carolina.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: That's your favorite North Carolina.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: So yeah, let's not forget Campbell is a young rookie.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: His deficit is not arm length, it's small technique adjustments
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: in another offseason in the weight room. He will be
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: a good left tackle in this league as he gains
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: experience in size. At twenty two years old for his
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: first go at these elite ends, he has learned and
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: will get better.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I thought it was so interesting the amount
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: of support that he got from a lot of not
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: you know, online Twitter troll the NFL lineman, guys who
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: had done it. You know, hearing from those guys carries
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: a lot of weight for me. And that's why, I mean,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: Brabel said it. So we don't have to spend all
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: off season talking about do you keep him there? No,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: Brabel said it, but remember we had I think it
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: was Morgan Moses in here talking about the offensive line
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: this year, and he gave so much credit to Garrett Bradberry.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not saying that it's just you're
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: gonna have to upset the apple cart a little bit
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: to get the offensive line better. But I think you
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: need to do it. I just don't think it's going
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: to start with Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to start.
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  Speaker 17: I'm not suggesting to worry about hurting people's feelings or
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 17: anything like that, but like they already changed out four
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 17: fists of the offensive line last offseason and they got
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 17: a little bit better. And if maybe a starting caliber
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 17: left guard and free agency or something like that is
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 17: the answer, maybe you know, moving Wilson to center, and
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 17: you know signing a left guard is the answer. But
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 17: like they're not going to go out and sign five
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 17: new starters again, Like that's just not gonna happen. And
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 17: I would just add, like to the email or like
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 17: both things can be true that Will Campbell's dimensions is
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 17: the problem, But that doesn't mean that he can't be
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 17: good around the dimensions, which is the technique part that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 17: people are keep bringing up. I think the issue for him,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 17: or not issue, or just the thing for him is
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 17: he's going to have to be a really good technician
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 17: at the position. Like he's going to be have to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 17: be like a master at his set points, his hand fighting,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 17: his strike timing, like all these little minutias that we
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 17: talk about with the offensive line play. To add his
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 17: dimensions be a high level left tackle. But that doesn't
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 17: mean that he can't do it. It just means that they're
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 17: both true.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you got to give him some time. To
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: Pall's point, you got to give him some time to
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: see that. And if you immediately throw the baby out
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: with the bathwater, big baby, well.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: They have the same coaches next year. I don't know.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: That's a great question. I was wondering about that. I mean,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: they do have three guys. I mean, this is just
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: my non informed off the cuff, Like I wonder if
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: Maron comes back or if like Hoteiling takes it over.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's a co thing with him. I don't know.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: I'm just speculating. It'd be great to get Doug Maroon back,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: but I just wonder if he might want something a
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: little bigger than you know, being the head offensive line
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: coach for.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Patrick's in Canada. What's up? Patrick? Nice?
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  Speaker 18: So h yes, hi there. So I'm just calling because
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 18: after you know, going through the emotions of Sunday's game there,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 18: I'll wondering what your thoughts are on the game that
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 18: Josh McDaniel's called as you see, because I'm not sure
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 18: about you guys, but I was somewhat surprised that, you know,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 18: kind of wait until very very last night, when the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 18: games a little out of hand at that point, a
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 18: lot of reach to really kind of take risks and
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 18: shake things up. I would have loved to see some
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 18: big personnel out of them, like, you know, bring an
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 18: extra tight end or even extra offensive line to try
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 18: to force Seattle out of that quarters. Look to use
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 18: with two ice safeties right to try to really really
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 18: run the ball. If you really that kid to the
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 18: ground game, why not just bringing all your big guys
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 18: and just try to step it down the throat until
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 18: you're forcing to stack the box and maybe create.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Someone on one guy.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 18: It didn't seem like they could throw the ball because
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 18: seattleys playing zone the whole there's cover four, cover six,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 18: There's like nothing there for May at all, whatsoever?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 19: What your thoughts?
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, that's all great points, Patrick, I mean, those are
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 17: all the points that I've tried to hit on. I
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 17: did not think that this game was coach well by
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 17: the Patriot and think they called a good game, and
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 17: I think he hit a lot of it. I mean,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 17: they had one play with six offensive linemen on the
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 17: field and went for twenty one yards and they never
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 17: went back to it.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: So I was surprised about that, the Mumford thing, and
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know if maybe they could have dictated some
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: matchups a little bit with that. I thought that they
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: had a decent mix of aggressiveness downfield early that people
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: are completely.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Forgetting that weren't just weren't there.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, there was a deep ball, I think to
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: Hollins on a third down. I thought they ran the
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: ball just ineffectively for the most part. I'm just looking
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: at some of the starts to some of these drives. Yeah,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: the first drive, it was a six yard run that
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: started it, and then you know, the second drive they
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: had the ball Evans play with Mumford was the first
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: down play. It was a twenty one yard completion. Then
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: first and ten forty three Henderson up the middle minus three,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: you know, then puts you immediately behind the sticks. Then
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: you know, you go to like a a later drive
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: and it's the first down play you know, for three
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: a three yard run, and you know the next time
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: it's a Stevenson three yard run.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 17: It's just three yard runs in a game like that,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 17: aren't aren't a loss in my opinion?
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: No, But what I'm saying is, I think they did
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: try to run the ball on early downs for the
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: most part early in the game, and they weren't overly
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: effective doing it. They are two running backs, both averaged
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: three three point two and three point three yards per
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: carry on thirteen carries total. Like Evan's right, Henderson had
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: a nine yard run and still average three yards to carry.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 17: A nine yard run against that defense might as well
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 17: be a twenty five yard No.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is that's that was that was
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: the one run and they still only averaged three. Counting
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: that they averaged three yards. You know, they can't run
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: against that, but.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 17: You have to stay on schedule against that defense, like
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 17: if you're if I think.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: They've gotten a lot of third and lungs because they
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: ran the ball early in see some possessions.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 14: I think it's that I think they were chipping away
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 14: in the run game.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 17: I think Henderson Stevenson had seven carries or something crazy
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 17: like that.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: They only had thirteen cash.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, like, you know, there's seven for twenty three
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: for Stevenson, six for nineteen.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 17: Yard run in there, there's a five yard run in there,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 17: there's a four yard run in there there's a three
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 17: yard run in there, like when you're playing a defense
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 17: like that, like that's you need to keep chipping.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 14: Away to have balance to the offense because if you turn.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: It in you got to converse some third down.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 17: But if you turn it into a dropback game where
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 17: it's third and nine and plus, like, you're not going
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 17: to convert third down.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: That was third and seven a lot because they were
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: getting three yards like that's. I just think it's a
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: tough way to play against that team.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 17: I think it's a I think the opposite, Well, it's
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 17: a tough so it might be the only way to
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 17: do it, But you gotta maybe maybe.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: I'm giving them too much credit. I'm giving Seattle too
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: much credit. You just just don't think.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody ran ran against them all year.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: I don't see.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think you were a very good running team
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: and they didn't allow any running yards all year.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that was the way to go about it.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 14: But I didn't think that. I don't think that there.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 17: You don't aren't running the ball necessarily to score points
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 17: and to be super productive with the running game, You're.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: Or if they could have running the five and six
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: yard runs like you said that, which they I think
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: they did twice. If they could have done that consistently,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: I would agree with you. I just think that they
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: set up a lot of long yarded second downs and
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: then that's when you know the pressure's coming and all
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: of a sudden it's third and long and.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: You know, so you're saying you pass out a first down.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like you know, and I'm sure they did that
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: plenty too. I'm just I just was looking at the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: couple of the early drives. I thought, you know, the
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: first play of the game is a six yard run.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: I'm with Evan on that, Like, that's how you you know,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: that's how you stay out is stay ahead of the chains.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: Their first run of the game was sixteen.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 17: I think it was ten. But it's really hard to do.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 17: And I'm not saying that it's an easy way to live.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 17: But their first drive of the game started six yard run,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 17: two yard run, short pass the season first.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: First down, like that, that was that's how you stay
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: ahead of the chains.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: If you can get six, I'm with you. I just
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: wasn't expecting to get six very often, I understand. I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: just I think that you know that defense.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 17: Because they play as much too high shell as they do,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 17: they don't give up a lot of explosive runs, which
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 17: is why a lot of the numbers, you know, the
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 17: yards per carry and all that stuff. Really, but I
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 17: think what that what they do will give up is
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 17: a lot of like three or four yard runs. So
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 17: could you have kept it in like second and six
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 17: instead of second and ten because you have an incomplete
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 17: pass on first down, you know what I mean?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: And like to your point, you're not expecting to get
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: two or three yards on the run.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: You want to get maybe four or five. Yeah, And
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not expecting to get an incomplete pass on the
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: first down pass. So yeah, I mean I see what
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: you're saying. Yeah, whatever you do, you got to do
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: it well right right, And they did, you know, they
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: did have a couple.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: I think Stevenson had a six yard run on a
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: first down and he had a five yard run on
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: a first down, you know, And I don't think that
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: they were able to I also maybe to Evan's point,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: if they kept doing it, maybe it would have gotten better.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't they I.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 17: Wasn't expecting them to start breaking big runs against that defense.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 17: They don't give up big runs, but I was hoping
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 17: that they could maybe just continue to consistently chip away
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 17: at them. And Stevenson's been one of their best offensive
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 17: players for the past two months and they completely kind
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 17: of took him out of the game. And I think
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 17: the Patriots took him out of the game.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: I would agree.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 17: I don't think Seattle did. I think the Patriots did.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 17: And that's where the part was frustrated.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: RT right, Sin Morgan Moses is going to be thirty
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: five and was getting beat on speed rushes. He was
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: a band aid fixed, not long term. We should draft
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: or get younger there too.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's the whole point is that you need
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 5: to replace him. Maybe not in the starting lineup in
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: twenty six, but you need to replace him. He's not
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: here for the long term. So you're going to need
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: a guard. I mean, I'm sorry, you're going to need
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: a tackle. And now everybody wants to replace the left
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: tackle too, So you're in a situation like Kevin's saying,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: We're so we're going to replace two tackles again, two
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: years in a row.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: We're going to replace two tackles. So now you're not
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: addressing any of the other needs. There's a lot of
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: other needs.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: You need to tackle that can start next year. I
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: just assuming that you're going to get that much out
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: of Morgan Moses again next year, you have to be
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: completely prepared for him to miss multiple games next year,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: and hopefully it's a developmental guy. It's like a soldier
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: that comes in and then I'll shoot volmer gets hurt.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: Soldiers going to come in and play a little early,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: but get that experience. But I don't know how they
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: feel about Marcus Bryant. He's the big question mark. I
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: don't think he's really active much at all this year
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: in the stretch twice and that not at all. I
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: don't know if there's anything there. So that's why I
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: bring up very low like I don't. I mean, he
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: played okay, he's an okay backup. Is there going to
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: be a market for him? I mean everybody problem.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 17: With him is that he's a left side backup. Yeah,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 17: he doesn't swing. They can't play right. So I I
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 17: remember Belichick used to say this all the time. When
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 17: you draft based on need and you miss, then you
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 17: didn't feel the need right. So everybody would say, oh,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 17: like you you drafted the position in the first round.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 17: I oh, they drafted for need, they needed a left tackle.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 17: They drafted a left tackle. Well, the problem is is
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 17: that when the left tackle can't play, you still have
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 17: the need. So to Paul's point, like, if you're a
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 17: little bit patient with Will Campbell and you give him
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 17: another year to see if he can play the position,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 17: then you maybe address it.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: I think that's the way I go two to three
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: years from get him in the weight room, work on
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: his footwork.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 14: It's the technique.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 17: You know, his feet and his hands are late, so
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 17: when he gets his guys are getting into his frame
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 17: and then his feet aren't in the ground and so
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 17: then he's going back into Drake.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 14: It's a technique thing that he can fix.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Don's and Philly, what's up Don?
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 18: Guys?
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 12: As we all know, super Bowl sucked, but this is
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 12: an offseason show where we're more excited about free agency
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 12: in the draft than the super Bowl. Just kind of
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 12: wanted to discuss I kind of think that, and I
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 12: know we're a bit early and you guys haven't dug
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 12: too much into the draft, but I kind of like
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 12: the idea of, you know, if this Kenyon Sadique is available.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 12: He's a developmental tight end, you know in the Mike
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 12: Go in the late teams early twenties, think about.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: Trade Milks an excellent plaifum, Yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 12: I mean, if he's available, I think it'd be really cool.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: I don't think he'll be available at the end of
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: the first round. He's the kid out of Oregon, right, yeah.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 12: Yeah. If if he's in you know, mid teens, high teens,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 12: low twenties, consider trading up for him. Is that something
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 12: you think this regime would consider in terms of, you know,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 12: getting rid of assets, But kind of just wanted your
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 12: opinion on you know, tight end, wide receiver, edge rusher,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 12: the rank of what your ideal focus would be, you know,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 12: through a free agency the draft. But I'll take it
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 12: off air.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: All of the above.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: I would just say that with this regime, I wouldn't
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: I would say anything and everything is in play until
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: we find out what their tendencies are. You know, Like
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: with Bill, I would have tended to say probably not
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: that's you know, I'm not going to go up ten
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: twelve spots because he didn't do it all that often.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: At the top of the draft. He made a lot
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: of trades around the draft later. But I don't know
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: what Mike Vrabel thinks. And you know, Ryan Cowden and
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf and whoever else is going to be involved
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: in this stuff. You know, Evan and I were talking
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: off air at the break just now about kind of
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: making a splash a little bit, you know, moving that
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: pick for a player moving up in the first I
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: think I think all these kinds of things are on
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: the table.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 14: I would move the pick for a player.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 17: I just think that this team right now needs like
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 17: impact players at like key positions. It's only a couple
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 17: Like I think they need an edge rusher and I
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 17: think they need another playmaker on offense. But those that
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 17: don't just like grow on trees and especially are pretty
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 17: hard to find at thirty one. So if you can
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 17: trade that first round pick for Max Crosby, I'm doing
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 17: that in.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 14: A our beat.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 17: And I don't even know if it would take thirty one. Like,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 17: I don't know what Crosby's value is. I'm terrible at that.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 17: I have no idea what what his value is, but
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 17: I would think maybe that would be especially a late
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 17: first round pick. But you know, I think that they're
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 17: in that era now, like they're in that range where
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 17: they don't need to keep you know, just drafting and
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 17: drafting and drafting like they're good enough now where I
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 17: think they can make it splash like that.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, started, edge and tight end. Those are two spots.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: You know, you you're going to have to bring in
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: players at those spots. They're thin.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 17: They've got are some free agent tight ends. You know,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 17: Kyle Pitts is a free agent. Isaiah Likely is a
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 17: free agent, so there are some free agent tight ends
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 17: that would be available.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 15: You know.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 14: Both those guys are are more like big receivers, like
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 14: big slot receivers and.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: The like that.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: Though I think ends, I think that Fitz style.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 14: In the passing game, it does. I'll I'll be upset
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 14: about my running game. But I know I only I
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 14: think about that.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: But I think that that was an underrated problem because
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: I don't think you got a lot of blocking out
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: of either of those guys.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 17: Like Barnard who just killed them like blocking catching the ball.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 17: I mean he was he was a big time X
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 17: factor in the game and both the run and pass game,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 17: and just watching how Seattle is able to get you know,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 17: into their twelve personnel and have tight ends that can
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 17: block and catch the ball and move the pocket and
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 17: play action and you know all that.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: When you watch them.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: So I'm curious about that now that you brought it up,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: you know, with the tight ends where they really effected,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: because how many times did you see Walker score it
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: to the side sideline and get that, you know, and
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm not suggesting that the officiating was a problem,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: Like generally when you see that, you get at least
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: one holding call and then well, I don't think there
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: was a single one in the game. Now, I'll take
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: the way that game was officiated any day.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: There were no calls. I love it.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: I think there was a I think there was one
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: false start on Will Campbell in the first three quarters
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: of the game. I don't even remember another penalty until
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. The Seahawks got a couple on defense.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: I got a question, what was good with all the
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: fighting going on? Did you see who was like in
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: the middle of that. Seemed like quite a few scrums
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: down near the end. I can't tell.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: It looked like twenty nine.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: Somebody threw a punch. Twenty nine I thought threw a punch.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: I was surprised there were no flags on that.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think they.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: Would jar and they were pushing it. I mean they
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: were both giving it back and forth. But I thought
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: twenty nine for the Seahawks gave a you know, threw
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: a punch.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: Jigs had somebody's face mask, Joe.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, result so that's why they didn't throw the flag.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: Digs had his face mask.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, so.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 14: Are we going to talk about dicks?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: Are we just going to so by that graveyard?
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: What do you want to talk about?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 14: Where is he?
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: He wasn't in the locker room?
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 14: No, he was like where was he on the field
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 14: the entire playoffs?
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the teams they said, let's just get
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: rid of them.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: Did they did you find they were giving him more attention?
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 14: Not in this game. I think he was kind of
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 14: I don't even know what he was doing.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh was he not running his routes? I don't
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: even know what.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 14: I don't It's probably not for us.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, it was okay, card.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 14: We were we were out to launch a little bit.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think wide receiver is another position we
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: have to look at.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 17: Just look at him and Hunter Henry, you know, two
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 17: guys that were kind of the engines of the passing
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 17: game in the regular season, and they're production completely fell
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 17: off a cliff in the postseason.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 14: I think they went from like one.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 17: Hundred and five yards per game combined to like fifty
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 17: five in the playoffs, you know, basically cut in half.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 17: And we can see here and say that teams were
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 17: game planning them and stuff like that, but you know,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 17: teams game plan a lot of good players and they
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 17: find ways to get open.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: You know, they need a young, dynamic weapon. There's no
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: question I think that.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can't fill everything all the time. It's
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: just like we said last year, that's a big need
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: they need. They need a dynamic playmaker. I mean, I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: don't know if it's going to be a tight end
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: or wives, but whatever it needs like a Tyler Warren.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm just naming coming up with Titans that
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: have gone the last couple of years that I think
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: could come in and make an instant impact.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 14: I mean, I would love to have Tyler Warren.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: But but you know, and again I said, are really
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: good find it?
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, call suggestion. It's not you know, I'm.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 17: Just going off of what all the Bruglers and all
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 17: the draft people say, because I've done zero work on
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 17: the draft whatsoever. But it's not thought of to be
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 17: a very good draft. It's it's not a great draft.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 17: It's not a very deep draft.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: Did you're talking about in its entirety?
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 17: In entirety, this is not a particularly good class based
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 17: off of what.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Expert Finally, the COVID stuff, Yeah right.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean a lot of that is just based
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 17: you know, let's face it, it's based off of a
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 17: couple of positions, whether or not, like quarterback is strong
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 17: and stuff like that. And this year, you know, Mendoz
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 17: is really the only prize at quarterback, so you know,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 17: that always hurts it. There are some edge rushers, but
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 17: a lot of them are expected to go pretty early
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 17: in the draft, you know, Rubin Baine like guys like
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 17: that are going to be like top ten picks.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 14: So we'll see. But it's it's not thought a very highly.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: On one thing with digs that kind of annoyed me.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: It's probably just a big thing.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: Late in the game, he caught up like a deep
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: pass down the middle, and you got up kind of like,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: I was like, bro, the game's over, You're not like
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: you're not styling this catch here?
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Like I think he kind of spun the.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: Ball and like, besides the fact that they were in
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: hurry up, like you know, they're trying to desperately score touchdowns.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: And I was like, to Evan's point, like you've kind
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: of been mia all playoffs and now you catch like
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: a twenty five yard pass when you're getting killed in
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: the Super Bowl and you're styling it.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 17: I just didn't really you know, we talked earlier about
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 17: like quarterbacks having their biggies like that. Diggs is supposed
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 17: to be the binkie, Like he's supposed to be the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 17: chain Movie. You're supposed to be the guy that you know,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 17: when you need seven yards, he's gonna get eight, you know,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 17: like that's supposed to be his role.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: And it just so you didn't really see him open
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: a lot during the game.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 17: No, man, Like just like running through zones and I'm like,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 17: you know, like so many just three vertical routes down
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 17: the field and I'm like.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 14: Where are we going, like stop and turn around? Yeah,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 14: And you.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 17: Know the pass rush is just on top of may
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 17: and they just are sending guys, they're running nine to
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 17: eight nine, you know, go and put the post in
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 17: the middle, and they're just running it over and over again,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 17: and like maybe he has like one little like the
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 17: tight end of the back is like chipping and then
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 17: leaking out underneath as kind of like a late outlet.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: The only outlets were just to the flyers with the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: running backs.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 14: There just a lot hotting down the field. And he's
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 14: holding the ball.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: Is not good?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: I digress. James is in Georgia. What's up, James?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's James Pearce.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: James.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, yikes, James is in Georgia, going once twice?
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: You're out.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Peter in Tampa.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: What's up? Peter's gone, He's not there.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Pete about Manny in New Bedford?
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: What's up? Manny?
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 22: Hey? What's going on?
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 18: Hey? What the hell of the season?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 16: We had?
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 18: Hit me up for a second.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 22: I'm pretty glad about the amount of exposure we had
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 22: in his post easy And I don't know if you remember.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 22: I don't know if you guys watched this, but wow.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 22: Garrett was on a podcast not too Long to Go,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 22: and he was asked how do you beat the Patriots
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 22: And one of the first things he said was, Drake
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 22: is going to hold the ball, so you're gonna have
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 22: to beat him with a foot man rush, all right.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 22: So I'm so glad that Drake was exposed because for
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 22: the most but I remember we talked about earlier in
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 22: the season as he likes to hold the ball. Okay,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 22: so this is going to be such a teaching moment
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 22: for him going into the next year, is being able
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 22: to pick up the pressure and being able to get
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 22: the ball out quicker.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 22: So again, I remember he was he's not learning much
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 22: when he's up over seventy percent completion percentage, right, he's
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 22: kind of floating at that all time high. But this
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 22: postseason really exposed the things that he really needs to
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 22: work on. So I'm kind of again, I'm happy about
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 22: the success. Obviously, I didn't want the Patriots to lose,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 22: but I'm glad that so much of that was exposed
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 22: in this postseason because this is something that he's really
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 22: gonna have to work on for next year. We got
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 22: to tell these people that are like so quick to
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 22: say we need to change up the offensive line. No,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 22: it's so much harder to sit here and change up
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 22: the offensive line then to just teach Drake May how
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 22: to handle the pressure and how to get the ball
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 22: off sooner. I think we have to just trust the process,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 22: you know, and just trust that where we are the
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 22: offensive line, and they're going to build more chemistry the
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 22: upcoming year. So I'm curious to see what you guys
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 22: think about that thing.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 17: I really don't have any major problems with Drake holding
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 17: the ball like he's a playmaker.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 14: He's not, like I don't.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 17: I don't look at him as somebody that I want
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 17: to like turn into like this, like quick release, like
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 17: check down Charlie, like, let's I it's also like, to me,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 17: a lot easier said to just sit here and say
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 17: get rid of the ball, Like, well.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: I think, but I think you by design, I think
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: you have to do that at times, just to keep
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: the defense on its heels.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 17: Well, if they had done that, then I would agree.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 17: But like, like, you can't if there's nobody to throw
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 17: the ball to you, Well that I don't know.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: It's all. It's all link.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: I understand what Evan's talking about. In the back of
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: my mind. It's like, you know, you get a guy
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: who throws fifteen picks and you're like, he's just got
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 5: to cut down on the interceptions you just got and
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: then the guy ends up throwing five interceptions the next year,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: but you know, for half the touchdowns and half the yards, Well,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: why did that happen? Because he's so intent on not
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: making when he plays anymore. I think if you turn
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: Drake May into the gotta get rid of the ball
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: and get it out quick, you have a potential to
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: lose a lot of that downfield stuff that you got
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: this year, because not all of that was just you know,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: shotgun snap back foot with throwing a go route to Booty.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: Some of it was moving around, sliding around, thinking of
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: like the Saints plate, you know, where they they booted
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: him out a little bit and they're throwing it downfield
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: to Mario Douglas. And yeah, I mean, I understand he
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: takes too many sacks. He needs to cut dock, he
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: needs to cut back on the sacks. But I don't
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: want him just saying I got to get rid of
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: the ball all the time. I want the play making element.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: But there's a time for that. And I think it's
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: more to me the experience, the mental experience going against
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: the playoff games, you know, I just I think there
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: were too many times where, you know, the drifting into
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: pressure the looking at the wrong side. You know, those
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: kind of things I think will help him, and it
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: doesn't always have to be I agree with you guys.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: I don't want to make him a quick game only guy,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: but I think he needs to know when it's got
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: to be kick game only. There's got to be sometimes
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: for that too.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 17: And I think there's just like five or six throws
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 17: that he missed in this game, and he also missed
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 17: a handful of them in the I. It's a championship
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 17: game where he just flat out missed the throw. And
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 17: if he makes those throws, I just think we're talking
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 17: about this a lot differently. Like he had you know,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 17: this third down he has booty on his slant. He
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 17: just throws it, you know, it makes him die for it,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 17: and he just can't make the catch.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 14: You know he has you know.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: There's a Douglas one on the third down.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 17: Yeah, you know the Douglas one on third down where
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 17: he short armed it. Like if he's making these throws
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 17: like he was all regular season, then like, I don't
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 17: think we're sitting here saying that he takes too many
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 17: sacks and this dad the other thing, Like it's.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: Like you haven't said you know, he was like five
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: points away from being the MVP.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: He just barely.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: But it's just such an experiencing. I mean, there's so
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: many different ways games unfold, and you know, I just
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: with him. I think it's he's a young kid, and
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: these are like, you know, he's got to get to
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: that point where you can be terrible for a couple
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: of quarters and then you turn it around and you
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: start playing well and you get you know, you find
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: your rhythm. Those are the things I just and maybe
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: I'm being too anecdotal with that, but it's felt like
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: Drake's games go the way they go. There's not really
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: a He played like crap for the first half and
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: then he came out in the second. Maybe there were
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: one or two.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 14: I think Baltimore great example of that.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: He kind of turned it around. And you see too
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: much snowballing, you know, like these games, especially even going
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: back to preseason. That's what's just the dichotomy between what
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: we saw this year and then what we saw in
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: the playoffs. It's just when we were watching in training camp,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: like this is what I was expecting to see more
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: of throughout the season, not consistently, but more of these
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: kind of games where he's just you know, he got
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: thrown off. This defense got to him. He did great.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: But I also think once you got to the playoffs,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: you really see that tells you real the truth against
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: those good defenses.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: Jacob and Nashville history tends to repeat itself. How does
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: this team and its journey remind you of the ninety
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: six team and you foresee a two thousand and one
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: like run in a few years. Well, I mean, somebody
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: else asked me that will this be like ninety six,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: and I said, I hope not, because they actually got
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: worse every year after ninety six until they had to
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: make a coaching change.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: I don't want that to happen.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean to me, not to always.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: I've been bringing a lot of things back to eighty five,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: but I do think there are some similarities there for
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: me in that that was a record setting road team.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: This was a record setting road team, and in the
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl both teams ran into an absolute buzzsaw on defense.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: And I don't know what it means for going forward.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: Everyone wants to say, oh, they got there, they got
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: the experience. I think that's great, But like we've been talking,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: about they have to get a lot better next year,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: and I think they have a lot of holes that
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: we saw in training camp were re exposed here in
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: the playoffs.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, Brendan and Edmonton says, what seventeen seventeen was the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: result of the Super Bowl more related to being lesser
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: talented or more related to injuries to key players.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 14: I didn't hear the first part smarking.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl were about being less talented or key injuries.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: First one, Yeah, I think so against this team. Yeah,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: a bunch of.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: Dudes up front.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: Yep, New Jersey, Canada, New Jersey. There's no question Seattle
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: was the better team on Sunday. But how I wish
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: that the Patriots could have scored on that second fourth
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: quarter drive would have made it a one score game,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: and even if they lost, there would have been a
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: shot where they could have stolen one. But Drake's ill
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: conceived throw ended it. Oh well, but I'm super psyche
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: for next year when the rookies have more experience and Stammina.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: You could feel the Seahawks fans get a little tense
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: after that first touchdown than they punted, and they were
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: all kind of just sitting down like and I felt
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: like kind of South Seattle play too, Like they just
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: felt like it was inevitable and they were sitting there,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: just sitting back, waiting, and then you felt a little
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: bit and then when they throw that interception, all of
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: a sudden, all the Seahawks fans woke up at that
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: point and like tension release for them. But you could
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: feel it a little bit in the stadium that the
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: Patriots I did.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: Like that's like I said, I had, Like my one
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: little moment was when they forced Seattle to punt after
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: they scored and they got the ball back. I said, well,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: if they could score now, I gotta be honest with you.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: I didn't think they were going to get out and score,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: just because of the way the game was going. But
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: I said, if they could go out and score, there's
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: a lot of game pressure on Sam Donald.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's when.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: He that's when the turnover he finally starts to turn
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: it over.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 17: There's just a bad play, Like ball died on him
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 17: because he like hitched up into the pocket, hit his
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 17: arm as he was throwing, threw it right to the post.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 17: Safety he was going to be there anyways, even if
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 17: he got enough on the ball.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, just not a not a good throw.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 21: You know.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: What I'm reminded of though this week is that one
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: team suck right now, there's one team that's awesome.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 17: And well that's why I like, I'm just being a snarky,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 17: but like that's why I brought Like I understand we're
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 17: all upset. I understand that they lost the game, but like,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 17: they won seventeen games this year and made it to
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 17: the super Bowl, and I feel like a lot of
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 17: this stuff we're hearing today is like, how are we
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 17: going to overhaul the roster? And it's like, guys, like
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 17: the quarterback just was the runner up for MVP the
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 17: coach one Coach of the Year. They were just playing
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 17: in the Super Bowl. Like they have holes, they have
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 17: things to fix. But let's not overreact and act like
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 17: the whole team is crap now just because they lost
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 17: this yap, right and.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: There's the Super Bowl loser. This is your week. This
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: is your week to get this suck spotlight. You know,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: everyone on school talking about Will Campbell and all, you know,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: it's just in that's.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: What I hope doesn't happen is and it happens a
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: lot in history is the super team that loses the
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl, they don't.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Bounce back, they don't make the playoffs. A lot.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I feel like it's mostly that, but it does
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 17: sometimes go the other way where it's fuel. And you
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 17: know the Eagles that took them two years, you know,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 17: there was a year in between their appearances and they
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 17: won the second time they got they got back, but
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 17: they weren't terrible the following year, they just weren't.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: They fell apart. At the end of the year, they
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: were like ten and one or something like that. Yeah,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: but that's why Evan's point that he made early in
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: the show is so important, Like you have to you
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: have to find out the whys, you know, like and
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: they have a more realistic look at everything than we
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: do obviously, so they might look at it not to
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: be snarky, but they might look at it and say,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: you know this, this rusher is not going to be
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 5: good enough to win seventeen games next year because we're
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: going to be playing different teams and maybe, like, why
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: was the offensive line not good enough in the postseason?
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: It might be because you played full good teams for
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: good defenses, like and again, Mike Rabel and his staff
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: have a better understanding of how much those kinds of
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: factors impacted the performance and.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 17: The injuries, you know, like injury, level of competition, a
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 17: lot of young guys and big places, young quarterback, young
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 17: left tackle, you know what, all the different circumstances they
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 17: and then you know, you got to look at like
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 17: every year, you got to look at your system. You
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 17: gotta look at the schemes you're running and the system
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 17: you're running, and you know, what can you better do there?
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 17: I mean there's a couple of things that you know,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 17: they didn't They couldn't run a draw play to save
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 17: their life.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 14: The screens weren't great.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: It's just too much pressure right up the million, right.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 17: So like these are things that like you know, screen
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 17: game draws, moving the pocket, all things that they didn't
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 17: do very well are all change ups to try to
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 17: get the pass rush away from the quarterback. And if
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 17: you can't do those, then you're just kind of dropped
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 17: back passing all the time, and then they're just teeing
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 17: off on you.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: How do you feel I asked Paul this in in Sanford,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: how do you feel about the running back position? Like, well,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: how would you approach that this offseason? I mean, do
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: you want to go. I feel pretty good about Underson
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: and Stevenson. You feel pretty good as a duo.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 5: I like those two, but I feel like they probably
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: need somebody, but you know, not a major I don't
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: know what situation.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm they definitely need a
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 17: third guy. But I most teams now are only running
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 17: really with two and then they have injury.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: Was sneaky, sneaky, harmful, sneaky harmful, But at.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: The time you didn't miss him too much because they
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: were winning kickoff.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: I just having a second, you know, I.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: Mean, running sneak, running back on your own.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: But I agree with Evan, like how many teams rotate
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: three backs?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 7: None?
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 17: Most teams are going with the two headed monster these days.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 17: I mean, the Seahawks had it with sharbon Ay and
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 17: Walker until Sharboney got hurt. So like, that's that's really
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 17: the the way that the league has gone. The third
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 17: guy is what they've been using Deer and his Johnson for.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 17: He's you know, insurance in case somebody gets hurt, and
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 17: his kickoff returner maybe you know that sort of thing.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: I just laughed.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: I was laughing because when of Paul's shows this morning
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: they were talking about, you know, shows the caller they
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: nearly need to get to bring in a full back.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: Josh wants a full back.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 14: They could. I mean it's not wrong like.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: Lamp they they just eighth round.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 17: Maybe well I'm not saying you need to draft one
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 17: or anything like that, but I think it if that's
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  Speaker 17: how they want to, you know, kind of script their
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 17: run game is to stick for the way mc daniels
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  Speaker 17: has always run the ball.
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  Speaker 14: You know, they need they need to have the personnel
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  Speaker 14: to run it down.
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  Speaker 4: Find a full back above replacement like can maybe that.
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  Speaker 17: It doesn't have to be like a high asset like
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  Speaker 17: I don't know which is James Devlin was not like
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  Speaker 17: they didn't draft them in the second round or anything
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  Speaker 17: like that, Like no one's going to.
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  Speaker 4: Do that, could do it.
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  Speaker 3: Henry and Sunny Yorkshire overall very very happy with the season.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, disappointing not to win our last game, but
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  Speaker 3: we have to be happy with how things have played out.
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  Speaker 3: That being said, do we still find ourselves in the
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: same position as we were this time last year? Questions
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  Speaker 3: that all five O line positions need to find a
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: number one receiver, Questions about depth across the defense, need
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  Speaker 3: to improve the pass rush. Like I say, very happy
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  Speaker 3: with how things played out, but we still have huge
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  Speaker 3: strides to take. So should be great, uh to watch
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  Speaker 3: or something about watching a few wins.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means.
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  Speaker 7: I ain't.
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  Speaker 17: I think they're closer than a lot of these people
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  Speaker 17: are making it sound.
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  Speaker 14: I really do.
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  Speaker 4: This is that this is everybody sucks week. Though this
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand it.
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  Speaker 2: Would they need a w R one?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, but that's like that's like a cherry on top
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  Speaker 14: thing that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I don't think that's a cherry on top.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean I think they need a w
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  Speaker 2: R one. I don't think it's a cherry.
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  Speaker 17: I think they need Yeah, it's a cherry on top
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 17: because they already have the foundation laid Like, they already
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 17: have the quarterback, they already have a great coach, they
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 17: already have pieces. So now you drop the wide receiver
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  Speaker 17: on top of it, and it's.
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  Speaker 2: More than a cherry.
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  Speaker 3: It's I think it's foundational in this NFL.
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  Speaker 17: And today I'm saying that they're they're at that point
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  Speaker 17: now where they can start making these types of big swings.
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  Speaker 14: No, I'm not saying that as I don't. I think
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  Speaker 14: we're just no.
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  Speaker 2: But they need a true number one receiver.
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  Speaker 3: And when I say that, I don't mean they're not
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: going to get your March or Justin Jefferson. When I
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: say true number one receiver, I mean a guy that
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: week in and week out, Drake May.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: Can depend on that.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: He's gonna he's gonna have production. He's going to end
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: the season with or at least near one thousand yards
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  Speaker 3: and you know, over eighty catches.
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  Speaker 17: But I'm saying all I'm saying is is that they're
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  Speaker 17: at the win now move stage. Like acquiring a number
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 17: one wide receiver, acquiring a star pass rusher like a
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 17: Max Crosby. Those are your window is now and you're
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 17: going to try to win one now. You won't do
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 17: that as a necessarily as a rebuilding team, like when
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 17: you're focus thirteen and you don't know if.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: You when you have your quarterback, it gets you the
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: luxury of focusing elsewhere.
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  Speaker 14: Right now you're in that window.
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  Speaker 17: Like, I don't think that they have holes all over
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 17: the roster still, I think that they have like three
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 17: or four really big needs that if they can hit
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 17: on them.
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  Speaker 14: Then they're going to be right back here where they
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 14: were this year.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that. I agree with that, and I don't.
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  Speaker 17: Think that all the callers and emails we're getting are
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 17: like the offensive a lot of.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: Like we have to address all five offensive line spots again,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: like you know, like clash, and I just I think
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: that's too strong, too strong. You have to always be
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: looking to improve. Mike and Evan been talking about this
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: for weeks. I couldn't agree more with both of them.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: You know, Mike perfect analogy the three to four Corey
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: Dyllon thing, like you need to you know, if that's
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 5: Max Crosby or someone like that, that's the kind of
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: move they should be able to. They should be looking
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: to make and able to make. Because of the situation
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: you're in. Teams players are no longer going to say
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 5: no to you just because of it's you.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: You know, you just came out of the super Bowl.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 17: That's but Corey, like Corey tracked out, like that's exactly it.
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  Speaker 14: It's the win now move. It's the push it over
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 14: the top move.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I loved it as soon as Mike
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 5: said that whenever, whenever you said it for the first time,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: And I keep giving them credit for it.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: I appreciate.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's not the you know, we need bringing in
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 17: that hungry. We have ten holes and we need to
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 17: overhaul total.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, we're gonna have another show on Tuesday, obviously,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: but you know we can Thursday. I mean, you know,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: we can talk about the viability of bringing in a
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: guy like Max Crosby.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: You know, what would it take?
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: A first round pick? I think everybody here, Oh, you
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 4: think you would.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: Give a first round pick for him?
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I would, well at thirty one.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, I think no, No, our pick is at one.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only twenty eight.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a needle mover in the worst way.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: I just can't imagine you're getting him for less than
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 5: a first round pick.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. Sometimes these guys go for less
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: than you think.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'd sign up right now for thirty one.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Brady wouldn't let the Patriots get him.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 17: He's not anybody that's not out. He's just I mean,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 17: Diana Rossini is saying that Max Crosby wants to play
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 17: for Rabel already.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 14: She said that on radio last week.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: All right, like I said, we'll be back on Thursday.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: Thanks for listening, watching, Thanks for listening and watching all
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: last week at Radio Row. I know, right, that was
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of fun. Just wish we couldn't have, you know,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: finished the deal.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: But we will be back Thursday, and we'll be here
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: every Tuesday and Thursday throughout the off season.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 17: Tomorrow we move now taking the noon on Wednesday spot
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 17: from season.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll fill your Wednesdays with the light banter
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: of Evan, Lazar and Alex bar Alex came back with
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: a little hopping his steps.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what happened down there, but.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: Even though the Patriots lost, he seemed to be a
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: little bit on the on the My Alex story was.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 17: On Monday morning, he texted, I get wake up to
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 17: a text from Alex.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: It's just like, who is this woman knocking on my door?
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: It was like why did I get a bill?
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 7: Did that?
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 14: So that really happened?
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 7: Huh? I know.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 14: I was like, yeah, they lost, Yeah that was not
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 14: a nightmare that.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: It's tough for you kids, I know. All right, see
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: you Thursday.
• 2:01:15
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• 2:01:18
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• 2:01:27
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• 2:01:28
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