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Happy New Year Special · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to The Foundry Corner podcast, I'm Curtis
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  Wilson. I'm Brian siglo buddy, what's
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  up? We're on a Thursday night again,
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  Thursday night, Thursday night, back to the old time slot.
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  Not the new time slot. It's been a week for us here in
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  Richmond, man. Snow all over the place.
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  Kids. Not in school us.
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  Trying to work from home. Yep, with kids, not in school,
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  they push us back until At least the 17th before we are can go
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  back in the office. Oh wow.
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  Yeah. Well I'm going to be here for a
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  while. We have not been given the
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  official date yet, but needless to say the week after the
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  holidays, which was a lot of fun, a lot of fun.
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  I know me. And you talked, numerous times
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  texting back and forth. Yep.
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  Got to say your son's Rainbow Road.
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  Sweet. Yeah, I've been having just as
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  much fun as he has with that. Anybody that's got kids of a
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  certain age, get that Hot Wheels Rainbow Road, it is the shit.
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  All right I'm going to give you all another suggestion kids of a
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  certain age and we say a certain age I'm going to say five to ten
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  eleven maybe even 12. Nintendo switch, Hot Wheels,
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  Unleashed dude, that game is sweet.
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  I mean sweet like a, if you're like us, we have probably three
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  or four hundred Hot Wheels cars in this house.
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  You've seen it feels like you go into this race and you notice
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  and can identify every single car that's on there.
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  And you can customize the cars and you can build tracks.
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  And you can customize. Its it's like so sweet.
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  Like I said here, one day and we were playing like four and a
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  half hours went by like Loops, but but the holidays were a lot
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  of fun. This week's been kind of crazy
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  with all the snow at six, six and a half inches here in
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  Richmond. Yeah we have about five on this
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  side. I know y'all had about another
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  inch or two more than we did. So just lots of crazy stuff man
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  and I tell you it's been too long over two weeks in We were
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  last recorded, and we have a ton to unload tonight in all aspects
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  of hokey football, but we're going to start with a couple
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  hokey headlines, not related to football and Brian.
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  I didn't get to watch this last night.
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  Following try to follow it. What an ugly loss to a windlass
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  conference eight and seven and six tables.
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  Back Hokies fall 68-63. I know you got to watch pieces
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  of it. What what was what seems to be
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  the issue? Ooh, I mean, you know, after
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  that, great Saint Bonaventure win in battle and Duke.
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  It seems like all the old stuff is back up.
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  Yeah. I mean I blame a little bit of
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  it on the layoffs but I mean some of this isn't isn't layoff
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  related. You know, you can't miss
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  point-blank layups, you can't miss the easy ones.
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  You can't miss that many free throws.
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  You know, naheem just has not been himself.
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  The last probably seven or eight games.
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  You can't hang with him that long if he's struggling.
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  You got to get get somebody else out there.
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  There you can't let someone that struggling that badly with their
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  shot, get that many minutes. Yeah, I mean, when you, when you
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  need, when you need points generated because other guys
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  were, we're also not having their best night and then you
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  got a guy that struggling like that you got to you got to do
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  something different and mix it up.
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  I think Mi kyung's problem right now is that he's being a little
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  too he's giving them a little too much leash to try to get
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  their shot back. He was doing a little It was
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  storm when he was struggling, he's doing it.
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  Now, when I eme, I think just a quicker hook and mixing things
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  up a little bit more with the lineups could maybe generate
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  some more offense, but it was also a game where NC State for
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  about two stretches look like they couldn't miss.
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  So that didn't help that it all yes.
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  All people saying that for a couple stretches, one of the
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  first half and one in the second essential when they took the
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  lead and kept it like Five, six minutes where it's like every
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  shot. They take her.
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  They can't miss and I know me. And you talked about the heme
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  yesterday he shot 18 percent from the field.
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  I mean, it's okay to let guys try to shoot their way out of
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  the funk but it comes to a point where it's detrimental to the
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  team and when you still shoot 40% 43 percent from the field.
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  And one guy shoots, you know 18% in your it's a five-point game.
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  Like you said, maybe take putting somebody else in the
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  other piece and I don't think there's any way to fix this just
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  based on how the team's constructed hey I'm murdered on
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  the boards. Yeah or outrebounded by the
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  offensive rebounds were ridiculous team sport.
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  There was a period where there was there was one offensive
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  board on like five or six straight possessions for it.
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  You state. So it was, it was, it was pretty
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  awful. That, that stretch was pretty
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  awful to watch, but, you know, I still think this team has
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  talent, but they dropped so many games at this point, we're
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  seeing a path to the NCAA. Tournament is its narrow at best
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  very narrow. It's going to have to be
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  something like out of the next 12 games and I'm trying to look
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  here at the thing. Yeah.
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  The next 12. Games, which is basically.
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  Almost the rest of the regular season I mean it's gonna have to
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  be 10 the 110 win. I think what we're looking at is
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  like I think what they're 16 left I think they need to go 12
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  and 4. Yeah it makes sense.
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  Yeah yeah. Yeah.
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  That's pretty much what they have to do.
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  Yeah so we'll see we'll continue following it and we have our and
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  some of those wins need to be quad one wins.
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  So got to beat the upper echelons.
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  All right? Other news this week, not
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  related to what Related to football, but not related to
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  football. Was John Ledger stepping away?
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  He tweeted this out on the third Hokies, this will come as a
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  shock and I hate that as effective.
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  Today, I'm stepping aside as voices.
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  The Hokies, my lifelong passion has been sportscasting and
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  representing. You has been my joy and
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  privilege of a lifetime. However, when my dad passed, I
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  started thinking about wanting to do more to help people
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  primarily through mental health, advocacy history, I'm over the
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  last few months, that urges grown, this is the hardest thing
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  I've ever done, but I feel a peace knowing all that we can
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  do. I'll be focusing on Mental
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  Health initiatives in the short term but I will be back in the
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  booth at some point soon know that I love you all and will
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  always appreciate the faith you put in me.
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  And I respect, you always treated me with.
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  I'll always be a hokie. Thanks for being there.
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  And thanks, always for being so keys, please.
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  Kind of a shocker because he was in New York just a few days ago
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  called game. Yeah.
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  And it's kind of funny because some people have laser has grown
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  on them. Right.
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  We hear that from people lasers. Growing on me, I think for me
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  and you heat it was okay from it was great from day one.
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  We were so used to him here in Richmond.
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  Yeah, that was already we associated with it.
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  Yeah, I think that's a difference for Richmond folks.
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  Is that, you know, you were already hearing that voice from
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  time to time. In your sphere.
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  So there wasn't that much jarring.
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  I mean, you know, you heard something, you know, it wasn't
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  touchdown tech. But yeah, it was it was it was
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  different but we were familiar enough where it wasn't as
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  jarring as it was for probably some of the the Roanoke, folks,
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  the Blacksburg folks other folks in the NRV that, you know, were
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  full on or off disciples and don't get us wrong Roth is a
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  disciple. If you are A tech fan of our
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  age. So many calls, whether you heard
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  them on the radio or later, like watching the highlights and they
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  play it, it's always my Vic's. One always appeared in
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  Morgantown. But for John, you know, the
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  Clear Mountain Air, it started coming and, you know, whatever's
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  going on, you know? you know, laser is from every
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  account anyone's ever had lasers a great human being Rick even
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  being. And so hopefully I mean, I don't
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  know if this means he's going to come back to Tech or if he's
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  going to do other things. But for him, God bless him.
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  Whatever. He and his wife decide to do, I
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  know it looks like they're going to be going on around the
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  country road trip. Yes, sounds like they're going
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  to be hitting all the all the points of interest throughout
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  the country and throughout the country.
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  Are we doing some good shit around the along the way?
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  So good stuff. Yeah.
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  Best of luck to him and on this next step and hopefully we'll,
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  we'll get to see him at least in Virginia, when everything
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  settles down, if not, you know, back in Blacksburg, so best of
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  luck to you, ladies, abso-freakin'-lutely.
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  All right, Brian was cut it off. And let's jump straight into the
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  football. And let's talk about some of the
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  new hires. And before we get into the big
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  new hire brine, it's kind of been breaking the last couple
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  days to names have emerged. As FrontRunner for the wide
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  receiver job. Mike Brown down at Cincinnati,
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  played at Liberty from Charlottesville.
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  So if Virginia native and Tony Washington down at kostal, from
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  High Point, North Carolina played down at appstate.
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  These, these guys are like in their 30s, both have NFL
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  experience. They both were in the league
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  about three years. Brown had some significant
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  playing time Washington hung around a few.
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  Good practice broad rosters. In whirling mentioning these
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  guys names because this is stuff that came out in the public.
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  Jason Statham you know I used to write for Rivals rights forever
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  other sources. Now he is set it and I can't
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  remember who was who mentioned Tony Washington out.
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  There was a couple there was a couple guys that mentioned, Tony
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  Washington. I can't remember right off the
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  top. So um, I'm good for either.
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  One of these guys. I'm good for either.
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  I'd probably prefer. Mike Brown It's probably like a
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  like, a 60-40 for me Mike Brown but yeah, I'd be happy either.
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  Way here. I think, Mike seen it, done at a
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  little bit higher level in his current role.
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  Well, I think that probably is probably a little bit more of
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  the reason that I'm kind of leaning that way the mentorship
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  he's had, is a little bit more official.
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  In my, in my mind, I mean back-to-back, I mean,
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  back-to-back New Year, six bowls.
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  Yeah. Welcome back AC titles.
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  I mean, you know, we're going to discuss a little later.
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  His, he's got a guy who's a junior.
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  That is sauce is getting heavy, heavy praise.
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  And he's probably going to be drafted in the first two days.
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  And here's the, here's the one thing on a joke about Brian
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  watching, you know, watching some Coastal games, definitely
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  watching more Sensi. Our wide receivers are still
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  going to run block. Good.
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  Did you watch them? It's but it's all the other
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  stuff that, yeah, they do a lot better, if the stuff you expect
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  wide receivers to do, not the stuff that is, is the nice icing
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  on the cake that we've been getting.
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  So, whenever this breaks, which I think this is probably going
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  to come to fruition probably probably before the next time we
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  jump here before before you hear from us, again, more than likely
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  will have a wide receiver coach. So we can talk about, We'll get
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  all right Brian. When it came out, was about two
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  weeks ago. About a potential offensive line
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  coach. Yeah, we were on watch like just
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  before Christmas holidays. Yeah, but it was about it for
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  that is when the smoke started. Yep.
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  Give me the first thought. Did you think this is bullshit?
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  I'm not getting my hopes up when I first heard Joe Rudolph's
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  name. Floated out there.
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  I was like Well, that certainly would be nice.
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  But that was kind of like, you know, when we were first talking
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  about who a good OC was and we well, if we get Joe, Brady,
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  that'd be great, right? Joe Rudolph was my Joe Brady of
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  offensive line, so that tells you where I landed on this, is
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  that I'm ecstatic. Oh my God.
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  So Joe, Brady are shooting Joe Rudolph announced associate head
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  coach Run game coordinator offensive line.
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  His track record in every sense speaks for itself.
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  He played offensive line at Wisconsin.
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  While Barry Alvarez was beaten up.
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  He was part of that early 1990s, Rose Bowl team.
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  He then played in the NFL five years including with my 49ers
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  back in 1997 after that took some time off and then got back
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  into the coaching ranks in 2004 where he was with Ohio State.
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  it's a g a then doing some strength Kochi moves over to
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  Nebraska goes back home to Wisconsin, coach tight ends then
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  Then we got to know 2012-2014 with pit.
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  Oh, see there with Paul, Chris tight ends coach, then he goes
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  back to Wisconsin where he was basically the.
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  I guess. Secondary offensive coordinator
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  in the old line. Coach?
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  Yep. And man, over that time he has
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  lines. Had blocked for Montee Ball,
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  Montee Ball, Jonathan Taylor. I mean, so many good running
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  backs. He had a guy won the Remington
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  just a couple years ago. I mean, I don't know what to say
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  because this is one of those hires where As fans, you sit
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  here and it's just kind of like, we're going to go get the
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  Wisconsin offensive line coach where you're full of shit
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  before. Yeah, I mean the only the only
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  probably other. I mean, the only thing that
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  would be higher than that would probably be.
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  Okay, well, you getting got Notre, Dame's offensive line
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  coach. I mean, mean, is that is that
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  really the only other coaches? Probably in the same realm in
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  terms of prestige made in terms of what they've done is a
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  program. The guys they put in the NFL,
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  the numbers that they're running backs, put up things like that.
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  I mean it's production central four, running backs and you
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  don't get running back production without good
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  offensive line play. So you can Joe Rudolph.
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  Give me the associate head coach tag.
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  He's getting the running game coordinator tag and he's
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  coaching ol and I mean to me this is as good as it gets in
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  terms of establishing what we want to do and get dark.
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  Identity back. I don't think it's going to be
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  the full-on ground-and-pound that.
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  You see it Wisconsin. I think I definitely think it's
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  going to be more of that kind of a power rpos Smash Mouth spread
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  type type philosophies but having having a guy that can
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  coach that zone but also coach those Gap techniques so you can.
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  Yeah yeah and he can run free and he can recruit and just kind
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  of already having a good understanding of what it means
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  to, you know, strategically set up an offense each week and
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  things like that. He's not just been a position
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  coach. So he's already got that
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  coordinator experience where he's coming in partnering with,
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  what we believe is going to be Tyler bow and we haven't still
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  got the official announcement, but I mean everything's out
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  there that that's the movie. We just got to get this
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  Jacksonville season over with. We just got a good one.
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  Been done. Y'all gotta smash them Sunday
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  and get to the playoffs. Yeah.
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  And we're going to end Tyler Bowens NFL year and then he's
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  going to come to Blacksburg exactly.
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  But just still I think. Now in bronze, kind of you kind
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  of already talked about the Zone in the power schemes that
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  Rudolph. They run both.
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  I think what you get to do for the next, what about six weeks?
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  Because we're a man about six weeks from now.
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  We're going to do a breakdown episode.
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  Yeah, probably. It's going to be either either
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  going to see me doing that episode here with pretty much
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  nothing on the walls behind me, or at the new house with pretty
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  much nothing on the walls behind me.
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  So but either way, Brian gets to start looking at, you know, we
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  already talked about Brad twins. Howard bone stuff.
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  Rudolph stuff. Probably looking at some JoJo
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  Moorhead tape where bones kind of kind of cut his teeth.
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  I mean. Right now and we don't have the
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  wide receiver coach. We don't have the offensive
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  coordinator in name yet, but let's just talk just a second
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  about the staff in general. It's going to mean so much
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  experience, David Cunningham. Shout-out him.
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  He continues to put these spreadsheet together.
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  I think we got, like, 200 years of experience.
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  I'm joking, but we have a ton of experience at the division.
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  One level we have guys who are really good at what they've
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  done. And I was told Brian, right
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  before we got home, you know, this isn't a buddy, buddy thing.
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  Joe Rudolph and Brent pry have no prior connection.
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  If they don't. You start looking like Brad
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  blind? Yeah, he coached with Brent,
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  when they were super young 20 years ago this we must do.
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  You hope Chris Marquis aren't these aren't produce a sip
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  situations. This isn't a produce a situation
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  that wasn't core Nelson and Fuente.
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  The closest thing you can say is a protégé would be Chris Mark.
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  Yeah, that's a kid he coached 10-plus years ago at Vanderbilt
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  But since in the coaching ranks, they've had no connection to
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  each other. Yeah, so it's a staff of guys
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  that he knows but I thought I think I mean the only one he's
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  coached was significantly is Bowing in the last five years.
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  Yeah. so you kind of sit here and it's one of those I think
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  Brett pride has put together a very good staff, but I think if
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  anyone starts slipping I don't think Brent Pratt has that
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  connection where he want shape up or shape up or ship out.
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  Yeah, I think that's the big thing is that, you know, he has
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  the I mean everybody's going to Foster from relationships,
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  especially as therefore as a first-time head coach.
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  Yeah, you're not going to start making calls to just random big
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  names. Yeah.
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  Like hey you want to come here that?
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  I mean that that's Good way to miss on the guys you're aiming
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  for and then other guys that you wanted are now getting jobs
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  elsewhere, you target the guys that you've got relationships
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  with that, you feel like would work at the University that
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  you're at, want to come there and then you go seek them out
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  and I think, coach prize done a good job doing that.
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  Brad Glenn is a great example. I mean I think from a
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  quarterback and passing game coordinator standpoint, it's a
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  good compliment with what we have at OC and what?
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  We now have at offensive line, I think those are those are going
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  to be good. Compliments to one another you
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  know, we're still waiting to hear on on wide receiver but I
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  feel like both of those guys kind of fit that same mold of,
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  you know, and I think again, the focus on recruiting so they the
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  the mold we're looking. At solid reputation is a on
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  field coach. Most of these guys are above
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  average or better recruiters. Yep, abso-freakin'-lutely.
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  And I'll tell you, what else? Braun lets go to support staff
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  because he knocking it out of the ballpark there.
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  Obviously got the white gold on staff.
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  There's a rumor Jarrett Ferguson was in Blacksburg today.
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  Sorry following Galt started following a couple of their
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  Hokey Pokey that he didn't have on.
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  Yeah okey staffers that he didn't have followed the for ya
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  T least ely's but over the time that we were gone.
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  And now if I can't pronounce the name, right?
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  Mike filigrana is going to be the senior director of player
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  Personnel. He comes over from Marshall
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  where he was essentially a GM and basically assembled their
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  recruiting staff, the highest-rated recruiting staff,
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  Have or recruiting in Marshall's history.
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  He had also been director of recruiting at Mississippi State
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  with bleach and Moorhead. He was with pry up a Penn State
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  from 15 to 17 basically in the recruiting department up there.
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  So the way it seems to me is Mike's role is Mike's, probably
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  going to be heading. Recruiting in some way, under a
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  player Personnel? Is that what you're getting from
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  it? Yeah.
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  Yeah. And you know what, I liked about
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  him right off the bat, is that, you know, he brings the Bona
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  fides, but I've also seen him. He's pretty active on Twitter.
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  So he's using social media as a leveraging tool, pretty, pretty
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  off the bat and he's and he's interacting with fans.
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  He's he's like some some post from fans, retweeted some stuff
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  so you like to see that. From a recruiting side off, the
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  field staff perspective. So that's a good start and I
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  thought that was going to be it in terms of kind of big big
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  booze on the off the field stuff.
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  And then we got the news what a few days ago just like, oh
• 23:27
  Hazel, Michael Hazel, chief of staff and this was a coup
• 23:36
  because essentially this guy had been doing the same thing for
• 23:38
  James. James Franklin for quite a few
• 23:40
  years obviously with prai fostering a relationship up
• 23:44
  there, he comes down here, he was the senior director of
• 23:49
  football operations up there and down here.
• 23:54
  You know, he gets Chief of Staff like up there.
• 23:56
  He was looking at external operations analytic facility
• 23:59
  projects, He was the liaison between football and the
• 24:03
  athletic department marketing. So it sounds like he is going to
• 24:08
  be the guy. Why that is going to essentially
• 24:10
  be John Bale on the kids. He's going to be Brent price
• 24:16
  John beilein and you know you know had got his I tell you this
• 24:23
  right here this is the one that He went to Elon, he got his MBA
• 24:28
  from Elan. He got a masters from Bandy, you
• 24:32
  don't just get to go. Get your master's from Vandy.
• 24:36
  This guy seems smart and it seems like he knows what he's
• 24:39
  doing in foreign guy who's going to be the right hand of the
• 24:43
  coach he needs to know everything.
• 24:45
  I mean I'm still a little bit shocked that he left in state.
• 24:50
  Yeah this is a big move. This is a big-time move to get a
• 24:53
  guy from the program that you're leaving to kind of follow you in
• 25:00
  in terms of off the field, I can't really think of a better
• 25:04
  better fit because Is this is a guy that knows what it takes to
• 25:09
  recruit big-time players to a similarly positioned University.
• 25:15
  Yep. And I think that that's
• 25:17
  something that we need understanding our landscape,
• 25:21
  understanding the benefits and limitations that Virginia Tech
• 25:25
  has to offer. And being able to sell that
• 25:28
  properly. I think that that's huge and,
• 25:31
  and I really don't know of a better off the field move.
• 25:37
  I couldn't I should say I couldn't picture a better off
• 25:39
  the field move situation than we've had recently because it
• 25:43
  tells me that you know we're not that mom-and-pop recruiting and
• 25:49
  support staff operation anymore. These are Big Time moves that we
• 25:54
  haven't seen ever. No, ever.
• 25:57
  And what set it back in with the spring.
• 26:01
  About the stuff that was going to be happening, right?
• 26:04
  Yep. And it's happening.
• 26:07
  Like you said we're no longer mom-and-pop, it's starting to
• 26:10
  look like a modern-day Collegiate football program in
• 26:16
  putting all these guys in roles and I don't know, I think me and
• 26:20
  you probably can't wait probably most of us out there.
• 26:23
  You probably can't. Wait, what's going to probably
• 26:25
  happen? Really in the next month, as you
• 26:27
  start seeing the analysts, as you start seeing the recruiting
• 26:31
  and how its it's shaped out, obviously me and Brian have
• 26:34
  thoughts of the way, we like to see it.
• 26:36
  I'm just interested how it develops, how Brent price puts
• 26:40
  it together and how he creates his model.
• 26:46
  All right Brian, let's skip over this.
• 26:48
  We did have one more hokey, essentially declare for the
• 26:51
  draft, pay daily transfer. Although he did have a year of
• 26:56
  Eligibility left Left. He's 23 years old, he had a
• 27:02
  pretty solid season, you know, good, take to put out there.
• 27:07
  He's got a Vanderbilt degree. He's probably got his master's
• 27:11
  from Tech in the next few weeks here.
• 27:15
  I mean it stinks because you know now it's some very very
• 27:20
  young back in the safety. We had some guys play while ago,
• 27:26
  but we're young. Yeah, I think that's something
• 27:30
  that we need to look into Tay had a good season.
• 27:36
  I wouldn't call it a great year, but I mean he played well in
• 27:41
  spots and there were certainly times where he was playing as
• 27:45
  good or better than everybody else on the on the field there.
• 27:51
  So it's a loss certainly. But we do have some young guys
• 27:55
  in that position that are coming in and coming of age.
• 27:59
  So look for them to make some Make Some Noise this year but
• 28:03
  congrats to Tay you know once a hokie always a hokey and you
• 28:08
  know go do your thing. Yes sir.
• 28:11
  Best of luck to him and all everything came in played great,
• 28:17
  great teammate. But you know so that that
• 28:22
  probably is cabinet, you know, to new to gone by the one guy,
• 28:27
  we think probably should come back but um, the rest of them
• 28:31
  sometimes it's just time. Sometimes it's just time to go a
• 28:36
  lot of these guys have their degrees.
• 28:38
  It's either now or never you keep playing college eventually
• 28:42
  you know Darrell Smith love to real Smith but not too many guys
• 28:47
  can go you know seven or eight years in college.
• 28:53
  And you know what? We're going to jump into next
• 28:56
  here. We're going to look at the
• 28:59
  portal and you know I buddy read over from pick six previews
• 29:06
  we've already talked about it but from previews have been
• 29:09
  keeping real track with it. In Bryan.
• 29:14
  There have been 1,000 entries into the portal since August, if
• 29:19
  a lot of people, a lot of people in the portal that's a ton of
• 29:22
  people in the portal where I feel for it is I mean there's a
• 29:28
  lot of guys declared for the draft leaving going to be asked
• 29:30
  to leave just because they have their degree.
• 29:35
  There's going to be a lot of kids that don't have anywhere to
• 29:37
  land that don't have their degree that we're giving bad
• 29:41
  advice and that's what sucks because we were talking with our
• 29:47
  buddy, Robbie the other day and it's just like it's free agency
• 29:50
  now, create is great. You don't happens a lot of time
• 29:54
  to guys, you go in free agency, they never get signed again and
• 29:57
  ever play again. That's my fear.
• 30:01
  There's gonna be kids out there and it that just are never going
• 30:03
  to find a place to play. Yeah, that's the concern, you
• 30:07
  know? And obviously, we saw this
• 30:08
  coming. The transfer portal is free
• 30:12
  agency for good or ill and I think it's more or less.
• 30:16
  I mean, it does give players Freedom, which I'm all for, but
• 30:20
  obviously, with freedom comes risk.
• 30:23
  So, you know, you take the safety, net away a little bit as
• 30:27
  well, in exchange for the fact that Hey, you can pack up and
• 30:31
  move when the when the mood strikes, you when the when you
• 30:34
  feel it is in your best interest.
• 30:38
  But again, you're doing that with much less of a safety net
• 30:41
  than you were before you did because you can do that before
• 30:45
  you have your degree. You know, you don't have to
• 30:49
  think about the decision because you don't have to sit a year.
• 30:52
  So there's not that there's less of a impetus to kind of step out
• 30:58
  there and see what's out there because if something is out
• 31:02
  there that that does strike your fancy, you know, you can make
• 31:05
  the move at any time. So I you know we'll see how this
• 31:10
  continues to shake out but let's go ahead and while we're talking
• 31:13
  about the portal let's talk about some of the positions that
• 31:16
  we are targeting and you know, we had talked about this I think
• 31:23
  a couple episodes ago where we really need to focus.
• 31:26
  We I said quarterback was number one.
• 31:30
  We said probably defensive line was number two.
• 31:34
  Offensive line and wide receiver or probably 3A and 3B.
• 31:39
  And and the top notched 11, that we needed to get taken care of 6
• 31:46
  p.m. tonight. Brian, you saw it?
• 31:49
  I saw it. Hooking Nation solid.
• 31:52
  That that we can erase that. Now, go ahead Mark to scribble
• 31:56
  QB. Room is now significantly better
• 32:00
  With the commitments of Jason Brown, coming from South
• 32:03
  Carolina and Grant Wells coming over from Marshall.
• 32:09
  Who do you want to talk about? First Prime Jason or Grant?
• 32:13
  Let's start with Jason. Jason first of all, he's coming
• 32:16
  home. This is a Fredericksburg kid
• 32:19
  play with Taiwan Garbutt, spent some of his early years up at FC
• 32:24
  St, Francis, where he was a starting quarterback in 2019.
• 32:30
  Threw for over 3,000 yards, 62 percent completion percentage,
• 32:34
  28 touchdowns 600 separations when the 2020 canceled season
• 32:39
  cancelled, he decided to transfer over to South Carolina
• 32:45
  where he started four games this year went to and to including
• 32:48
  beating Auburn and Florida. Seven hundred twenty yards there
• 32:54
  by a touchdown six, interceptions 63 230 pound.
• 32:58
  Guy. So, well, built older guy.
• 33:02
  Do you think he is in the lead as we sit here and they just
• 33:07
  drop their commitments to come to Tech?
• 33:11
  That's hard to say. I feel like so we'll talk about
• 33:14
  granting a second. I feel like Jason.
• 33:17
  Is that guy that gives you kind of a high floor at the
• 33:23
  quarterback position? He does a lot of things pretty.
• 33:27
  Well, he doesn't make a lot of mistakes.
• 33:30
  He may not win, you a ton of games but he could, he's a guy
• 33:33
  that can go out there manage the game.
• 33:35
  Make all the throws won't hurt you and usually.
• 33:40
  Ali, you're going to go home with the w there so that's what
• 33:43
  I like about him. Obviously being a HomeTown kid,
• 33:47
  wanting to play for Tech when he was in high school you know.
• 33:51
  Finally getting you know the the come around here for for a
• 33:57
  chance to be a hokie. So that's big and I'm happy to
• 34:02
  have him. I feel like already that's
• 34:04
  that's an upgrade to the quarterback room.
• 34:06
  Even for the 2021 campaign let alone what we thought we might
• 34:09
  be working with in. Two.
• 34:11
  And then at the same time we got Grant Wells with the commitment
• 34:16
  and I feel like he's the he's the higher higher ceiling guy.
• 34:21
  He's had a little bit more recent playing time playing G5
• 34:27
  opponents playing Power, you know, some power 5 opponents on
• 34:29
  that schedule did well. The only thing I'd like to see
• 34:33
  him clean up is the interceptions.
• 34:34
  But efficient otherwise, if he can cut his interceptions in
• 34:39
  half then We're looking at a damn high ceiling for for that
• 34:44
  quarterback, especially if we're not leaning on him too much,
• 34:49
  within the running game. Yeah, he is.
• 34:52
  More of a, he's out of pocket passer, but he's not a true dual
• 34:56
  threat. He's kind of he's that pocket
• 35:00
  guy was some wiggle. Exactly what he is.
• 35:04
  Where Jason doesn't have quite the wiggle, but Jason's 63 230.
• 35:09
  So you kind of, it's one of those things where, you know,
• 35:13
  Jason probably can take some hits, especially plane for games
• 35:16
  down in South Carolina, playing more since we played better
• 35:21
  competition, he played Clemson, he played Auburn, he played
• 35:25
  Florida, he saw a better competition and more athletes
• 35:29
  than Grant Wells did. But don't get me wrong, Grant
• 35:31
  Wells, you He was the COS a freshman of the Year back in
• 35:35
  2020 in his career numbers are really insane to only play two
• 35:39
  years over fifty six hundred yards over 30 touchdowns you
• 35:44
  said it perfectly. He does have to clean the
• 35:46
  interceptions up and the turnovers in general.
• 35:48
  He's also fumbled the ball a lot but he has.
• 35:50
  They both have arms right that both of their arms are better
• 35:54
  than Braxton's. Are they the appellee?
• 35:56
  No, they're not. But that's okay.
• 35:59
  And what we're probably projecting what we're going to
• 36:02
  Be doing on offense the way. I kind of see it right now is
• 36:07
  just because Jason Brown has played the level of competition.
• 36:11
  He's going to see week in and week out here at Tech next year.
• 36:16
  I think he's in the lead. I also think he's in the lead.
• 36:19
  He has one year of Eligibility left.
• 36:22
  One year Grant Wells. Is he just completed his third
• 36:26
  freshman year, Brian? Yeah, that's impressive.
• 36:30
  It takes a lot of skill to do that, so, He has essentially
• 36:33
  three seasons left of Eligibility after this year, and
• 36:38
  you have Taj Bullock. And I'm going to go in through
• 36:40
  taaj in there Taj has 4 Seasons, lots of Eligibility so from
• 36:44
  where we were looking at, oh my God, how are we going to figure
• 36:46
  this out? You got your one year, Gap guy
• 36:50
  and then you've got a guy who's played Solid backup.
• 36:56
  And then you got the project. So, that room went from shit
• 37:02
  too. This isn't terrible in.
• 37:06
  Our backup quarterback situation is 100 times better than what it
• 37:10
  was last year at this point in time.
• 37:11
  Yeah, we actually have your, regardless of who ends up
• 37:14
  winning the job. You at least have one guy behind
• 37:17
  that person, that, you know, can go in the game and get you, get
• 37:21
  you a winner too. If the starter estimate
• 37:25
  significant time that, you know, you won't see us in the You can
• 37:29
  drop off. Like we saw this year where you
• 37:30
  had to pretty much improvise and offense around the limitations
• 37:36
  of your backup versus essentially playing playing your
• 37:40
  offense with a tweak here or there.
• 37:44
  It's the difference between calling certain plays that you
• 37:48
  know that guys. It's their bread butter versus
• 37:51
  having to tailor the entire offense around what that guy
• 37:53
  does. Well exact Connor blumrich in
• 37:56
  the game you had to tailor the entire offense. surround power
• 38:01
  quarterback runs play action passes, things like that, there
• 38:05
  wasn't A whole lot of Rhythm, none in that offense with Connor
• 38:12
  at quarterback, and that's not Connors fault.
• 38:15
  He was put in a situation where he was the best available option
• 38:18
  which is unfortunate but that's just that's how things shook
• 38:24
  out. Between knox's, injury between
• 38:28
  Knox, leaving between noxious limitation between Braxton's
• 38:33
  injury, Braxton's limitation Braxton into the transfer
• 38:36
  portal. It'll 20-21 was as bad of a
• 38:41
  quarterback situation as we've seen. probably ever at least
• 38:47
  since the I'm trying to even think of wind when it was worse
• 38:54
  yet to be the only other time. It was really this bad.
• 38:57
  We were Motley, maybe let me Molly could play me Molly beat
• 39:01
  for to you. By looking at least throw the
• 39:03
  ball, he could make all the throws.
• 39:05
  Can I say in this is no disrespect but 20 years ago when
• 39:10
  thick went down. Yeah.
• 39:15
  No disrespect. But we didn't have essentially a
• 39:18
  backup quarterback. Michael Vick the front end was
• 39:21
  much higher this, all just a little bit even in the Years
• 39:28
  with like doorman and tie rod, you felt that maybe Tara I'm out
• 39:33
  because a couple times Logan had to come in, he made good passes.
• 39:36
  So probably 20 years ago is probably the last time it was as
• 39:40
  bad as it was last year because there was no one behind the Over
• 39:44
  one guy. Yeah, I was thinking maybe I was
• 39:46
  thinking like front end quarterback that has limitations
• 39:49
  backup quarterback, that is even a drop off from that.
• 39:52
  That's why I went with the Brewer Motley thing.
• 39:55
  You have at least eight. I mean, it felt like they could
• 39:57
  play. So who knows, man?
• 40:00
  All right, Brian. The other position we've talked
• 40:02
  about, and we know two big offers and things are very
• 40:07
  interesting, the wide receiver room, Jaden blue, got a temple
• 40:11
  hook up, his numbers, Very good wide receiver has shown, he can
• 40:16
  do it against P5 competition and Antoine Wells from up at JMU
• 40:21
  Highland Springs product. Wells is getting a bunch of buzz
• 40:27
  from a lot of schools everywhere.
• 40:29
  Yeah, so, you know, if we, if we end up pulling that that's a
• 40:33
  that's a big pool. I'm not necessarily put it in
• 40:37
  the bank, especially since we don't have a wide receiver coach
• 40:40
  yet, but I'll say this. Now that we've got a got
• 40:44
  quarterbacks it's going to be a lot easier to start talking two
• 40:47
  wide receivers because up until this point it's hard to say.
• 40:54
  All right come here but we got Connor blumrich throwing balls
• 40:58
  and we got a red shirt freshman that saw a handful of Series in
• 41:04
  a bowl game and that's it. Now, you got two quarterbacks
• 41:09
  that have seen a good amount of time at various schools.
• 41:15
  You got something that you can sell.
• 41:17
  Now you get yourself sell to the wide receivers well, and for
• 41:20
  God's like Wells, I think blue might have two years of
• 41:24
  Eligibility left. I think got to go back and look
• 41:26
  but a guy like Wells, it's like you're not going to be screwed
• 41:30
  next year. Look at our plan, he's a
• 41:34
  freshman. You have, if you're going to be
• 41:36
  here three years, you're going to have a good quarterback and
• 41:40
  all points in time. And you know, you have the kid
• 41:44
  from Hawaii went in the pool. Portal the Wyoming kid who blew
• 41:47
  up this year's in the portal? So you know it's now something
• 41:54
  you can sell of what you've got. Can I say something else behind
• 41:58
  this drop before? After you build that run down
• 42:01
  here, we made an offer to Ryan Johnson, a DNA out of Stanford
• 42:05
  the this afternoon and again there's your DL.
• 42:11
  And that's pretty big that again.
• 42:14
  We're starting to make those offers trying to kind of see
• 42:17
  what Brent problems to do. Nobody's, additionally left in
• 42:22
  the last few days but we did have a confirmation and I know
• 42:25
  this makes you feel good. Maybe not as good as Joe
• 42:29
  Rudolph. It really good solid stance.
• 42:31
  He says he's coming back for his super senior season.
• 42:34
  Yep. That's big for us because that
• 42:36
  gives us three returning, offensive lineman, with some
• 42:40
  significant playing time. Time between him and Kate and
• 42:43
  more and then Parker Clements. So getting those three that at
• 42:49
  least gives you some foundational lean on.
• 42:51
  We're probably still going to Target at least one or two
• 42:54
  offensive, lineman in the portal.
• 42:56
  Well, we got some younger guys that are coming in.
• 42:59
  We got some guys that have been in the in the program for a few
• 43:02
  years that might be able to step into that role thinking of a
• 43:05
  Jesse Hanson. Shout out, Matt deal.
• 43:15
  Man I'm sorry you got drugged it was a funny one but yeah but I
• 43:20
  think Silas coming back to is now you feel like Alice has
• 43:24
  played both tackling guard, he's played a lot of tackle more than
• 43:30
  a lot of people think but he's really built through to be a
• 43:32
  guard. It's one of those things where
• 43:35
  you've got you feel like I got two of the three, two or three.
• 43:39
  Insiders figured out Clemente probably can play, I Believe.
• 43:44
  Guess he's going to be it, right?
• 43:45
  I think we'll probably go after a left and the portal and
• 43:48
  sinners wide open which is a little scary.
• 43:51
  I wish Johnny abroad could come back for one more season but
• 43:54
  that's probably not going to happen.
• 43:58
  So you know you sit here and it's just We have three guys who
• 44:04
  all had played significant time, we have a really good offensive,
• 44:08
  line coach coming in. You have guys, you can sell in
• 44:11
  the portal, you have guys who are already on the roster, who
• 44:15
  may be Rudolph unlocks the potential in them.
• 44:18
  So all in all not in the bad spot on the offensive line I
• 44:23
  think me and you were worried likes.
• 44:24
  If Silas leaves you your best to starters are freshmen And that's
• 44:33
  scary. Yeah, I agree.
• 44:39
  It's going to be interesting to see.
• 44:42
  If they, who they specifically Target in the portal.
• 44:44
  If they target anyone and how much progression we see in
• 44:50
  development that we see in the spring.
• 44:54
  Like, if we see some jumps from guys, in the spring that we
• 44:57
  weren't anticipating. I think that's a really good
• 45:00
  sign. You know, if we can find, maybe
• 45:04
  two other, guys, and again, you've talked about Silas at
• 45:06
  guard, you know, Silas is going to play whichever a position we
• 45:12
  needed to play the most, whether that's left tackle or whether
• 45:17
  that's guard. Probably left guard.
• 45:21
  So he's either slide in for Lucy to Smith or he's going to take
• 45:24
  over for Luke to new de. What that looks like is going to
• 45:30
  is the big question who plays center is a probably a bigger
• 45:34
  question. I can see his targeting a center
• 45:39
  in the portal more that I can see is targeting other
• 45:42
  positions. Just because that's the most
• 45:46
  need position that we probably don't really have.
• 45:50
  And established season player on the roster.
• 45:55
  It's true. So if we if the targeting a
• 45:58
  player in the portal and we only we're only taking one.
• 46:04
  I'd like to see his take a center and potentially a left
• 46:07
  tackle. There's not going to be a ton of
• 46:09
  left tackles out there in the portal.
• 46:11
  That that's where I would go. But I'd go center before, left
• 46:14
  tackle, because I think Silas could potentially hold it down
• 46:17
  for one season. All right here that man, I hear
• 46:21
  that yeah it'll just be interesting to see where guys
• 46:25
  are transferring out of where guys are transferring into and
• 46:31
  and again it's development upfront to or combat up front
• 46:35
  but a development of who's there.
• 46:37
  Yeah. Because again that's going to
• 46:41
  tell a lot if you don't see us attacking the portal for
• 46:44
  offensive, lineman a lot. We can then speculate, we really
• 46:49
  can speculate for the next three and a half months.
• 46:54
  Who does Joe Rudolph like, and who's we're on the springing,
• 47:01
  the out there on that first unit.
• 47:07
  The question is going to be, you know, right now we're seeing
• 47:11
  guys that are making moves in the portal right now.
• 47:13
  Want to get on the spring semester with their new team.
• 47:18
  They want to get spring practice under the belt.
• 47:20
  There's going to be a bunch of guys that aren't sure where
• 47:24
  they're going. Haven't got enough B shit where
• 47:26
  they feel comfortable, pulling the trigger.
• 47:30
  They're going to ride out the spring and be ready for summer
• 47:35
  exactly which helps them and hurts them in some way.
• 47:38
  So it helps them because they get to process.
• 47:43
  The transfer portal offers and make a better decision for
• 47:46
  themselves. It's not as rust of a situation
• 47:50
  there but therefore going the foregoing the chance to get that
• 47:55
  Spring ball. Get get their position locked in
• 47:59
  heading into fall camp. They instead of having to go
• 48:01
  into fall camp for, they got to earn it.
• 48:03
  It's true. But the other piece is with
• 48:05
  Spring ball in. For example, let's say we don't
• 48:08
  come out and we don't have a starting center.
• 48:11
  We don't have another starting tackle or guard.
• 48:15
  You go. Put your name in the portal,
• 48:16
  then look at his tape, he started for two seasons, ain't
• 48:22
  All-American but We just looked at Spring and what we saw and it
• 48:27
  won't great. So let's go get someone who
• 48:29
  going to tape we have so yeah. All right Brian before we get
• 48:34
  into wrapping up the bowl and taking up looking at a few other
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• 49:09
  right, so the Pinstripe Bowl, wrap brine.
• 49:14
  Let's start this. Even though we are not Yankees
• 49:18
  fans by any stretch of the imagination.
• 49:21
  Nope. Any stretch of the imagination.
• 49:24
  The helmets that they did were cool as hell.
• 49:29
  Yeah. Some of the, some of the coolest
• 49:30
  elements that we've seen, in terms of alternate logos and
• 49:33
  things like that, getting the Yankee NY on there.
• 49:38
  That's pretty cool to see, you know, hearkens back to when the
• 49:44
  Yankees came down to Blacksburg, we're in the maroon and orange.
• 49:48
  So that was that was really kind of big, probably one of the
• 49:53
  better. Like I said, better alternate
• 49:55
  design helmets that we've had So shout out to to the the folks
• 50:02
  behind that team Clark and everybody else.
• 50:06
  Yeah, big shout out whoever designed it.
• 50:08
  It looked great on. I'm I am sure if one of those
• 50:13
  ever sneaks out of buildings at things going to fetch a lot of
• 50:17
  money because they said they were not going to auction them
• 50:19
  off or sell them so that tells me that they're going to people
• 50:23
  whatever. All right, well let's talk about
• 50:26
  the game itself. Brian it was an ugly.
• 50:28
  Ugly game really ugly, Hokies lose fifty four to ten and run.
• 50:33
  I want to go through our game plan and let's see what, how
• 50:36
  many X's we get? First of all, we had to field a
• 50:40
  team. Barely.
• 50:42
  We did clearly clear. That bar barely Guys like Dwayne
• 50:47
  Lofton didn't play several other guys didn't play.
• 50:51
  And I think that was nobody heard nobody had sent home.
• 50:55
  We were thinner than we thought we were going to be and we
• 50:58
  already knew we were going to be thin.
• 51:00
  Yeah, we had starting offensive tackles playing defensive tackle
• 51:03
  near the end of the game and you know, with all the opt-outs we
• 51:09
  had. You know, in the time of covid
• 51:12
  where it was right before all the new guidelines came down.
• 51:18
  We were super thin and you know it showed in the game plan.
• 51:24
  And speaking of the game plan, one of our big game plans
• 51:28
  problem was we said, hey, we need to control the clock.
• 51:33
  We got to control the clock in this game and, you know, we kind
• 51:38
  of did it rhyme, you know, we all possess them 34 to 2030
• 51:43
  4226. There's a reason we did that
• 51:47
  though. There is, but it was one of our
• 51:51
  keys and we did it. The reason we did it is because
• 52:00
  we could not limit big passing plays or just big plays in
• 52:04
  general, the entire game on defense.
• 52:07
  Oh yeah, I mean, the last two points we talked about for our
• 52:10
  defense was Bend, don't break and limit the big passing plays.
• 52:15
  We broke a lot and a lot of those were big passing plays
• 52:19
  deep down the field for touchdowns.
• 52:24
  And 70 plus yard runs. Multiple receptions over 25
• 52:31
  yards. Multiple runs over, 20 yards.
• 52:36
  Punt returns of 90 plus yards. Yep.
• 52:40
  Yeah. Um and I think what kind of me
• 52:44
  and you were talking about the bend don't break in limiting.
• 52:47
  Those big passing plays. You said, straight up Brian.
• 52:49
  Like we need to run cover three quarters old game.
• 52:53
  I saw a lot of man I saw on a single highs.
• 52:56
  Maya is did you see that or is it just me not knowing what I'm
• 53:00
  looking at. There was some of that some of
• 53:02
  the some of it was covered three that because of their alignment
• 53:05
  became De facto single high based on the routes that were
• 53:10
  ran and the alignment of the wide receivers, someone was just
• 53:14
  bad technique. Some of it was just perfect play
• 53:17
  call against that defense call or the defensive call that time.
• 53:23
  And so it was just sloppy play and you get that when you have
• 53:29
  guys that are playing more snaps than they're used to, but to me,
• 53:34
  The offense, I give a little bit of a mulligan, the players, the
• 53:39
  players, your defense, the defense.
• 53:42
  I don't, I don't give them a whole lot of a pass here.
• 53:44
  I feel like there were enough guys that had played significant
• 53:49
  snaps on the defense that they should have had more life than
• 53:53
  they had. If they had given up 38 points,
• 53:56
  maybe 38 or less, I'd be like. All right, well, that's not a
• 53:59
  bad effort, considering the thinness and losing a couple.
• 54:04
  Outline players. What I mean, it's the extra two
• 54:09
  or three touchdowns there, that really makes the difference.
• 54:12
  And what was it? Would have been a respectable
• 54:14
  outcome versus the clown show that we saw now on offense?
• 54:19
  The thing that I've got to criticism for is the thing.
• 54:21
  I've criticized the whole year, the play go with the play
• 54:26
  caller. Yeah, three years.
• 54:28
  Five years. Yeah.
• 54:31
  And my big thing is that. Yeah, you started Connor, but
• 54:36
  This was not a empty the clip, throw everything but the kitchen
• 54:41
  sink at Maryland. This this was a we do over one
• 54:46
  borderline conservative, do we do the same offense that we saw
• 54:51
  rolled out against Miami and UVA.
• 54:55
  We saw rolled out against Maryland and there wasn't any
• 55:01
  significant wrinkles added in there to give any sort of new
• 55:05
  look. There wasn't as much of an
• 55:09
  emphasis on the running game. I feel is there should have been
• 55:14
  in terms of getting the ball to the running backs.
• 55:17
  And I thought there was some opportunity to get the short
• 55:20
  passing game involved, which we haven't done all year and we
• 55:23
  didn't do again. You'll do again.
• 55:25
  Yeah. It was it was same old, same
• 55:27
  old. And for a guy who potential is
• 55:29
  coaching for his job, there were no tricks.
• 55:31
  There were no interesting. And I know people were saying,
• 55:34
  well, look what we've got here. Here, you know what can we do?
• 55:39
  Well, that's the thing. You look at what you've got and
• 55:42
  if you even don't have that much, you still say, we're going
• 55:44
  to dial up some things, we're going to do some different, and
• 55:47
  we're going to take some risks because you are playing for,
• 55:50
  it's a bowl. You're not playing for a
• 55:53
  championship, you're just playing a football game.
• 55:55
  It's the last one of the seasons and it's like no we're just
• 55:59
  going to do this. We're going to do the same old.
• 56:01
  Simple game Plants going to work.
• 56:03
  No trick plays. No you know, double reverse
• 56:06
  passes, anything like that. It was literally I'm just
• 56:10
  calling these eight plays on a place.
• 56:12
  She and I'm trying to get out of here as quick as I can.
• 56:17
  And, you know, yeah, I say he keep play called his way into a
• 56:21
  high school job. Ooh.
• 56:25
  Ooh. Um, there was a Jamie Pete.
• 56:27
  Citing heck of a catch by him on the sidelines.
• 56:30
  Yeah. Malachi Thomas had, you know,
• 56:35
  Malik has a freshman. And I think what we saw those
• 56:37
  last few weeks was a freshman body hitting the wall like so
• 56:43
  many times but You know, plumber it did the best he could.
• 56:53
  And should have been a quicker hook to ties your my opinion.
• 56:57
  If you weren't gonna, if that's the offense, you're going to
• 57:00
  call, then you should have gotten Taj in there sooner.
• 57:03
  Every fourth drive, it should have been every fourth drive.
• 57:06
  He should have been out there running think not going in
• 57:10
  handing the ball off and then running off the field.
• 57:12
  He did finally. Come on.
• 57:14
  Had a couple passes completed. The only seven wash ran the ball
• 57:17
  a few times. Definitely, I will say this.
• 57:22
  Look at that. Was like the out pass.
• 57:24
  He threw like 15-yarder making that up.
• 57:28
  Nah. That ball had some zip on it and
• 57:32
  you do it. Nice.
• 57:33
  On the back shoulder to kind of not Connor.
• 57:36
  Blundering. Luke bustle the walk on.
• 57:39
  Yep. Very nice-looking passes.
• 57:42
  Yeah, you did have the like, what, one overthrow on the
• 57:47
  little dump. Yeah.
• 57:49
  So you know there's things to work on probably, you know,
• 57:52
  working on a touch a little bit and things like that but you
• 57:55
  know when he got his read knew where he wanted, what knew what
• 57:58
  he wanted to do with a football right away.
• 58:00
  Way and was able to step up and make the throw it looked pretty
• 58:04
  good. You know, there's still
• 58:07
  obviously things to polish their but that's what spring balls
• 58:11
  for, that's what fall camps for. And that's what probably one
• 58:16
  more year of sitting behind somebody's for, I'll follow you
• 58:20
  guys. Also, he's getting much better
• 58:23
  coaching staff. Now.
• 58:25
  Yeah, he's going to coaching staff that honestly based on his
• 58:28
  frame and his tools is more more designed to take advantage of
• 58:35
  the skills that he has. So, you know, I think what what
• 58:40
  we're getting with with Bragg Glenn and what, what we're
• 58:43
  getting with with Tyler Bowen, and what he likes to do in that
• 58:46
  system can really work to the skill, set that bullet yeah, I
• 58:54
  think that's gonna it's going to play play, play to his skill set
• 58:59
  a little bit more and you know it won't be a run read run go
• 59:04
  offense anymore so Not at all. And you know, the one thing I'll
• 59:10
  also say Brian, I think every player we hit on had Maryland
• 59:15
  had a good game at some way shape or fashion.
• 59:18
  I hate being right. But that we you know, every
• 59:22
  every week we sit here guys and we we sort of we kind of
• 59:27
  independently look and then decide who were going to get and
• 59:34
  I mean we hit like obviously the Back lit up running back, have a
• 59:38
  nice day. You know, Darryl Jones was not
• 59:41
  on our radar. Shout out to that kid from the
• 59:43
  757, having a hell of a day against the, the Hokies, you
• 59:49
  know, what can you say? They played great, they had a
• 59:53
  full staff. They had everyone vested Mike's
• 59:58
  Loxley is still 26 games under 500.
• 1:00:01
  He could win 10 games, the next Four Seasons, he still wouldn't
• 1:00:05
  break 500. You know, that I don't think
• 1:00:09
  like locksley and that stuff, they had, they called a great
• 1:00:12
  game against a depleted team and that's all I guess they've.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, I don't think that's an indication that they're taking
• 1:00:18
  another step. I think that's just, you know,
• 1:00:23
  they play the team that was already down numbers and they
• 1:00:26
  were down some more and they had an interim head coach, and they
• 1:00:30
  were starting their essentially third-string quarterback, that
• 1:00:34
  probably should be an HVAC. There's a lot of things going on
• 1:00:38
  that are playing into that. So, you know, locksley and I
• 1:00:42
  know Marilyn, social media had a lot of fun with that, but oh,
• 1:00:45
  yeah, the prophet thing, they had fun with that.
• 1:00:48
  Yeah, they were beat. They were beating the shit out
• 1:00:50
  of their chests for, for being a team that was down like 20, 20
• 1:00:54
  players, a 10-plus starters and, yeah, it was good job.
• 1:01:00
  Good job, Maryland. Well, the Penn State folks were
• 1:01:02
  then just ripping them especially about the private
• 1:01:05
  because you'll cry on. The 70-yard touchdown and they
• 1:01:08
  were like, yeah, we see what it is.
• 1:01:10
  He smacked y'all multiple years in a row so you can come out and
• 1:01:14
  like this. All right.
• 1:01:15
  And you remember I think he'd it's didn't Stout even say
• 1:01:18
  something about it. Yes, that's that's um, just
• 1:01:21
  remember 2026 right after you just remember that Mike locksley
• 1:01:27
  will not be the head coach of Maryland by the time we played
• 1:01:30
  them. If he is they are, you know,
• 1:01:34
  they want to be mediocre which they are.
• 1:01:37
  All right Brian, let's hit a few other topics here.
• 1:01:42
  The playoff games. Let's talk about the Cotton Bowl
• 1:01:45
  first. Bama Cincinnati.
• 1:01:47
  What's your take on that? Just You know, I thought that
• 1:01:52
  Cincinnati played pretty well overall, especially on defense.
• 1:01:57
  Just what you saw with what Bama was able to do on both sides on
• 1:02:02
  the trenches is where the differentiator was.
• 1:02:05
  Yes, once they got a decently, they were able to just grind the
• 1:02:09
  game out on offense and they were able to dominate Cincinnati
• 1:02:13
  upfront with their defensive line.
• 1:02:16
  And their friends seven Kim. Can I ask this into something,
• 1:02:19
  you know, everybody to White Vic kept talking about?
• 1:02:21
  He said he loves to run those three man.
• 1:02:23
  He loved to play against three men fronts.
• 1:02:28
  Were you shocked at Bickle and that defensive staff didn't
• 1:02:31
  adjust? Because my thought was, could
• 1:02:34
  you take one of those outside linebackers and that 335
• 1:02:37
  stacking almost make them like a 9 or an 8 in shift, shift,
• 1:02:41
  everybody different gaps? They never did it now.
• 1:02:44
  And I think if you still had Marcus Freeman, you would have
• 1:02:48
  Okay, because he was he was known that despite the the base
• 1:02:55
  alignment, he would throw different fronts at you
• 1:02:57
  especially if he saw problems that we're going on.
• 1:03:00
  So I think if you still had Marcus there, you would have
• 1:03:03
  probably seen that adjustment. That's I'm not, I'm not trying
• 1:03:07
  to knock here but I think just the feel of it and the flow of
• 1:03:12
  it. I would have probably got more
• 1:03:13
  guys on the line of scrimmage and taking my chances that we'd
• 1:03:17
  be able to To get them before they got past.
• 1:03:19
  The second level also think that saving is what he is.
• 1:03:27
  He had a month to prepare. He saw how good those
• 1:03:29
  quarterbacks were he was without Michi his best wide receiver.
• 1:03:34
  He wasn't going to challenge them that much.
• 1:03:36
  He wouldn't go to go out there and say almost just sling around
• 1:03:39
  all day. Not we're going to run the ball,
• 1:03:41
  we have more Joe's than they had.
• 1:03:43
  We're just going to grind them down.
• 1:03:45
  Now. The Orange Bowl.
• 1:03:51
  I mean I hate to say this Georgia just used the game plan.
• 1:03:55
  They should have used Monday, they have played the game plan
• 1:03:59
  up to show Alabama. Hey here's how we can beat you
• 1:04:02
  guys. Quick short passes will running
• 1:04:04
  games and taking shots over the top occasionally.
• 1:04:07
  But what does the quick short pass do?
• 1:04:08
  I mean so so Michigan. If you do with the gate will
• 1:04:13
  Anderson exactly. You can't, you can't impact the
• 1:04:17
  quarterback at the balls on in the quarterbacks hands anymore
• 1:04:20
  and you Right. And you saw it.
• 1:04:24
  I mean Hutchinson I mean that guy's going to be a stud NFL
• 1:04:27
  player. Don't get me wrong, he is.
• 1:04:31
  But to me Kirby Smart. Again, they had that month to
• 1:04:36
  prepare. He knew what he had to do, but
• 1:04:39
  he laid the game playing, this can beat Alabama.
• 1:04:41
  He gave Nick Saban a week to say, oh you're going to do this
• 1:04:45
  watch for a lot of press in that game.
• 1:04:48
  Watch for a lot of, get your hands over here.
• 1:04:51
  Don't come up because he's trying to get them out here.
• 1:04:53
  Here where they did. If they ran their normal
• 1:04:56
  offense, they would have beat Michigan.
• 1:04:59
  It would not have been a blowout, but they would have
• 1:05:01
  beat Michigan. And I don't I don't get that,
• 1:05:07
  maybe it's one of those things where they thought, well, if
• 1:05:09
  they're hidden, some of those trick plays and some of those
• 1:05:11
  into rounds and they get to the mid-20s, we've got a score, it
• 1:05:17
  shows pretty early. I don't think they, I don't
• 1:05:20
  think they thought that Michigan.
• 1:05:23
  I think they thought Michigan was going to be able to score
• 1:05:25
  more, so they thought they had to match on point for point.
• 1:05:30
  So ultimately, because they were able to get them out of the game
• 1:05:34
  a little bit early, they were able to Feast on them in the way
• 1:05:37
  that that defense likes to yes. So once it once they got the
• 1:05:42
  lead, it really played into that defense has strengths which is
• 1:05:46
  the opposite of what happened in the the Bama Georgia game in the
• 1:05:51
  SEC Championship. So, yeah, I think, I think
• 1:05:55
  that's the big thing in Georgia is going to need to do that
• 1:05:58
  again. They're going to need to in my
• 1:06:00
  opinion. If they're gonna win that game,
• 1:06:01
  they need a lead. Late.
• 1:06:03
  Second quarter. Something to keep keep that
• 1:06:07
  game, slow down get bad. My little bit out of their game
• 1:06:12
  plan because band was going to be a I think again is going to
• 1:06:18
  want to run the football. Well they're going to run the
• 1:06:20
  football but they're going to they're going to throw it like
• 1:06:22
  they did and that first game. What Bama did is Bam has got the
• 1:06:27
  blueprint. The question is, can Kirby a
• 1:06:32
  just enough to take away that Without without exposing other
• 1:06:37
  parts of his game which savings and chess master because if he
• 1:06:42
  see, I think Kirby's going to do this, he's going to have the
• 1:06:45
  game plan already laid out of what him and bother going to.
• 1:06:50
  All right. Can we just say this prayer on
• 1:06:52
  what we're talking about? Now is y12 is a better format.
• 1:06:58
  We're talking about so much time to prepare so much time to get
• 1:07:01
  ready. Savings guy, saving and Kirby,
• 1:07:04
  Smart both have thousands of analysts.
• 1:07:05
  They really don't have thousands, but they have a lot
• 1:07:07
  of Staff. Where if you go when it goes to
• 1:07:12
  12 and I truly believe it's going to go to 12 before, 2025,
• 1:07:19
  you're not going to have that time anymore because on the 12
• 1:07:23
  models, you're going to have probably two weeks, right?
• 1:07:25
  Two weeks is going to be the longest span.
• 1:07:27
  You have to Weeks to four weeks. And in that case, I know
• 1:07:31
  somebody says, well, that's a lot of time to break things
• 1:07:33
  down. It's a lot of time to break
• 1:07:35
  things down, but what it's not a lot of time to do is to
• 1:07:40
  implement the game plan, right? Yep.
• 1:07:44
  You can't move, you can't do a week of break down a week of
• 1:07:47
  installation and then two weeks of practice.
• 1:07:50
  Yeah. And that's why I still think
• 1:07:54
  going to the 12 model which we're going to get probably some
• 1:07:58
  time into the spring when we have one of these weeks.
• 1:08:00
  I thought Brian, what were you doing the day?
• 1:08:03
  I sent you. Like 19 text like this long.
• 1:08:05
  Each your phone drops up. I'm trying to let you come back
• 1:08:11
  to me and you're like, hey, dude everything.
• 1:08:13
  Okay, all right. Oh sorry, could you like I'm
• 1:08:15
  doing something like oh shit. Sorry bro.
• 1:08:17
  Yeah, for you. What I was doing, he was doing
• 1:08:20
  something and I, and I I sent him a ton of text about the way
• 1:08:24
  12 has to break down and we'll do that later but that whole
• 1:08:28
  having not having as much time is where it's going to give the
• 1:08:32
  Lesser teams and Advantage because when you give, Nick
• 1:08:35
  Saban or Kirby Smart all that time, to break it down,
• 1:08:39
  implement it run practices implementing it, that's why they
• 1:08:43
  win. That's why they're so damn good.
• 1:08:49
  Let's hit this other Hot Topic Brown because it It was so hot
• 1:08:54
  over the past real 10 days, the bowl opt out.
• 1:08:59
  What's your feeling on? This is a guy who plays.
• 1:09:02
  Oh man, I've said a lot about this on Twitter off, Twitter
• 1:09:08
  around Twitter. So anybody that's seen what I've
• 1:09:11
  said, probably either already knows what I'm going to say and
• 1:09:15
  hates it or loves it but To me, I think the problem that we have
• 1:09:22
  is that we wrap the bowls in, with the current playoff format,
• 1:09:28
  and then say these bowls that used to matter no longer matter,
• 1:09:32
  okay? Yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Because you've wrapped them into the same package that you have
• 1:09:38
  with this college football, playoff.
• 1:09:39
  But obviously, the playoff games matter more, they mean more.
• 1:09:44
  And when you had a scenario before, with the BCS, you had
• 1:09:49
  two teams more or less that we're playing for it all, but
• 1:09:54
  New Year 6 still mattered to a degree.
• 1:10:00
  It matters less now with the, with the current format in my
• 1:10:03
  opinion. If you're not in the, if you're
• 1:10:05
  not in those college football playoff games, the new year, six
• 1:10:08
  game mattered, Less in terms of prestige in terms of players
• 1:10:14
  wanting to go there and and the opt-out so the opt-outs, I
• 1:10:19
  support the opt-outs. I'm not anti opt-out.
• 1:10:22
  I personally wouldn't be a person opting out of these
• 1:10:24
  games. That's because that's I'm an
• 1:10:29
  experienced guy. If I've got a chance to
• 1:10:31
  experience something, I'm going to take advantage of that.
• 1:10:33
  I didn't get seriously injured enough in my career, where I
• 1:10:38
  would have been too had that in the back of my mind.
• 1:10:40
  I had one, I had one, Serious injury, and a couple injuries
• 1:10:45
  that kept me out of game or two. I was never injured to the point
• 1:10:49
  where I was missing, you know, 10 plus games or anything like
• 1:10:55
  that. That I had lingering injuries
• 1:10:59
  that cost me things and probably limited My overall ability but I
• 1:11:06
  never had anything catastrophic that kept me from playing games.
• 1:11:11
  Except for one again, one injury that that I talk in there.
• 1:11:15
  Yeah, your ankle. Yeah.
• 1:11:17
  And that was nearly a thousand that was half.
• 1:11:19
  That was halfway through the next to last game of the season,
• 1:11:22
  my senior year. So yeah, so I missed a game and
• 1:11:26
  a half for that. I missed an entire offseason
• 1:11:29
  recovering, so really, when I rolled into my freshman year
• 1:11:32
  hampden-sydney, I was pretty much not in the shape.
• 1:11:35
  I'd like to be in a boot forever.
• 1:11:40
  Yeah. So But like, that's neither here
• 1:11:42
  nor there but I but when it comes to bowls, you know, that's
• 1:11:46
  something, just the experience of it would be a big deal for
• 1:11:50
  me, but if you know, if my bank is is dependent on that in my
• 1:11:55
  family is depending on, you know, me doing something.
• 1:11:58
  And even guys that are kind of that Fringe draft player that
• 1:12:02
  are opting out hoping to just make a camp as an undrafted free
• 1:12:08
  agent. I mean, you're not going to do
• 1:12:11
  that if you get injured and I know, you know, we can talk
• 1:12:14
  about, you know, one catastrophic injury in the bowls
• 1:12:19
  being a big deal and it's missing.
• 1:12:22
  Yeah. So with McGee all of that mess.
• 1:12:29
  Yeah. So I mean there's always the
• 1:12:31
  chance of that happening but in my get the people say, well if
• 1:12:36
  that's going to happen, I want to be playing for something. um,
• 1:12:41
  Again, this, this is why I go towards the 12 team playoff
• 1:12:45
  because you can you can get more of those those formatted games
• 1:12:50
  in there and something. Yeah, they mean something more
• 1:12:55
  games mean something that's going to limit the opt-outs.
• 1:12:58
  So that'll help your, your school's roster your school's
• 1:13:02
  ability to be competitive in those games.
• 1:13:03
  And, you know, again, I'm not for getting rid of the bowl
• 1:13:09
  format all together, but I think, I think we need to stop
• 1:13:13
  kidding ourselves that You know, bowl games matter if you want to
• 1:13:20
  attend them, I don't think they matter outside of that.
• 1:13:23
  I don't think you necessarily oh, your team.
• 1:13:28
  A exhibition game. If you have bigger things in
• 1:13:30
  mind for your future. Exactly.
• 1:13:33
  That's, that's my feeling. That, like, you can sit here and
• 1:13:36
  you can say, Well, I would play, I would play if you knew you
• 1:13:42
  were guaranteed a figure paycheck.
• 1:13:49
  You would think, not think you say you wouldn't think twice
• 1:13:52
  bullshit if you're guaranteed an eight-figure pay say, well, if I
• 1:13:55
  get any time, we'll still get drafted what you just said and
• 1:13:59
  they figure paycheck or get into a camp.
• 1:14:03
  It makes sense. Now, what could be done to
• 1:14:07
  entice, these kids, we have name image and likeness.
• 1:14:10
  Now if you're one of those bowl games and you really want one of
• 1:14:13
  those kids to play shell out the money for them.
• 1:14:18
  You can do it, you can make them a, they can be in a commercial
• 1:14:23
  for your company. Here's a million dollars.
• 1:14:24
  Come play for us, then you'd have the kids thinking about
• 1:14:28
  things. And to your point to I think the
• 1:14:31
  way the new year six is going to go in the way it's kind of
• 1:14:34
  shaping is those bowls are going to be involved before New Year's
• 1:14:38
  day. They just are They are.
• 1:14:43
  And then the those bowls will matter in a in that regards if
• 1:14:48
  they're being played earlier, the other bowls are going to
• 1:14:50
  start getting more prime-time spots.
• 1:14:54
  You know, more Prestige. So you still have a chance to go
• 1:14:58
  out there and play anything that I've said.
• 1:15:01
  I'm not upset, you know, you know what, have somebody on the
• 1:15:05
  team that teaches these kids, how to understand, and get those
• 1:15:08
  insurance policies. Like, we want you to play the
• 1:15:12
  cat is in the room with you. By the way, just it just jumped
• 1:15:15
  on the table. I have someone to educate, like,
• 1:15:26
  you know, I really don't want to play in this.
• 1:15:28
  I want to play this game but I'm I don't want anything to happen.
• 1:15:31
  I'm going to get drafted in the first round.
• 1:15:33
  All right, cool. Bring this guy in.
• 1:15:35
  Hey, you can look at taking an insurance policy and if
• 1:15:37
  something catastrophic happens to you, Your policy covers you
• 1:15:43
  up to whatever? I think the Jadeveon Clowney
• 1:15:45
  was, like, 5 million dollars, which life-changing money.
• 1:15:49
  He's clearly made a lot more. So, it is what it is with
• 1:15:54
  life-changing money. Even if you know that that's
• 1:15:57
  your ceiling, it's absolutely. You know, if you're not, if you
• 1:16:03
  don't have to use it then you know, that's all the better,
• 1:16:06
  especially if you're high caliber player because you're
• 1:16:08
  probably making that. First-round picks are making
• 1:16:11
  that in there their first year in the league more or less
• 1:16:15
  between incentives and rookie deals.
• 1:16:18
  Exactly. All right Brian.
• 1:16:20
  Let's touch on one other thing. Real quick, the passing of John
• 1:16:23
  Madden. For kids like us.
• 1:16:28
  I think our generation is man encompasses everything.
• 1:16:34
  Yeah because and this is why I'll say this we didn't see him
• 1:16:40
  Coach but we need he was a coach and when you who was a really
• 1:16:43
  good coach then he became the voice of the NFL for us.
• 1:16:47
  Yeah and then when we were you know, Les elementary school
• 1:16:53
  early, middle school Madden comes out.
• 1:16:57
  And you know it was everything he was all part of her life.
• 1:17:05
  It literally changed the game of football in terms of how we
• 1:17:10
  think about it. Everything that we do with
• 1:17:13
  fantasy football. Now is in a lot of ways tied to
• 1:17:19
  Madden and some of the the the redraft formats that they had in
• 1:17:25
  some of the bad dynasties and things like that.
• 1:17:27
  That. So I mean a lot of these things
• 1:17:29
  are tied into that. Yeah.
• 1:17:33
  What's the first one? You remember, what's the first
• 1:17:35
  one in your head when you when you think mad and what was the
• 1:17:38
  first one? You remember playing the first
• 1:17:40
  one? I played a lot was 94.
• 1:17:43
  I play 95 a lot. I think that's your also got my
• 1:17:46
  Sega to so need sense. But what's your favorite
• 1:17:53
  Favorite. Oh man.
• 1:17:56
  That's tougher. Probably I can't remember the
• 1:18:00
  year but it was the second one that was on the PS2.
• 1:18:05
  Because the the first one there were still a lot of bugs with
• 1:18:08
  the because it was the one with the first true.
• 1:18:12
  It was hang on everything free. Let's see.
• 1:18:25
  I think it was Either three or four.
• 1:18:31
  I think it was 03, okay? All right.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, actually. 2002. Well, okay.
• 1:18:48
  Okay. Okay.
• 1:18:49
  So one was the first one that was on on PS2 senior year in
• 1:18:54
  high school. Then right?
• 1:18:55
  Yeah, that's the one I'll go with.
• 1:18:59
  I mean, there's been others. It had more features and better
• 1:19:01
  features but I feel like that was the first one that kind of
• 1:19:06
  Made it more of a true football simulation versus yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Some of the less graphically capable games in the in the Sega
• 1:19:17
  generation. And PS, one generation and the
• 1:19:21
  PS1 generation. I'm 06.
• 1:19:25
  I'm 06, guess I don't use the vision thing.
• 1:19:28
  I always took off the vision thing, but every other thing, it
• 1:19:31
  felt like you were truly running, the franchise, the
• 1:19:34
  draft, and stuff had been there. The practices have been there.
• 1:19:37
  But when you could do the practices midweek with plays,
• 1:19:41
  And like, if you ran those plays enough, it would like make you
• 1:19:44
  better during the game. That was always mine, but the
• 1:19:48
  guy himself was an incredible football coach.
• 1:19:53
  And again, if I said our generation when, we were 10 or
• 1:19:56
  12, you start hearing John Madden, the 1970s weren't that
• 1:20:00
  far off. It was like, I was only 20 years
• 1:20:02
  ago, you start reading. Holy God, he won, 100 games, he
• 1:20:05
  won a Super Bowl. He coached all these, you know
• 1:20:08
  Hall of Fame players. And what ends Bill, he's still
• 1:20:12
  the the king of win percentage rate seventh.
• 1:20:15
  He wants 75 percent of his games at Sun bean and I don't think
• 1:20:21
  that'll ever be touched because going to more games, but then
• 1:20:24
  watching him, you know, as a Niners fan in the 90s, He called
• 1:20:30
  so many of our big games lip and I mean you got to get him later
• 1:20:34
  with with Peyton, but you knew especially in the mid 90s mid
• 1:20:41
  nineties. If it was him and summer, all
• 1:20:44
  calling your Grant. You a game of the week is a big
• 1:20:46
  ass game was a big game and I always like what somebody said
• 1:20:51
  because some people said he was bombastic and over the top and
• 1:20:55
  he was silly with the drawings. He brought football to where
• 1:21:01
  someone like myself who didn't play understand it.
• 1:21:06
  He was able to easily break down the nuts and bolts and then give
• 1:21:11
  it to you like he, he essentially so he took the
• 1:21:16
  ingredients and then he gave you a dish.
• 1:21:19
  Yeah. Like I can take the ingredients
• 1:21:22
  and see the dish, but you might not see the dish looking at
• 1:21:26
  those ingredients. But once he breaks it down into
• 1:21:28
  the meal and gives it to you on a plate, yeah you can digest it.
• 1:21:32
  So he did that so well and I think you know, just an
• 1:21:38
  infectious personality. You know you can call it
• 1:21:41
  bombastic if you want to infectious.
• 1:21:45
  You better work? Yes.
• 1:21:46
  Just you just felt like you felt like if you said Talk to him
• 1:21:51
  like he would explain it to you and I don't know if you heard
• 1:21:54
  this story. Did, you know who used to teach
• 1:21:56
  a like an entry-level class like an intruder football?
• 1:22:02
  Laughing. If you taught him how?
• 1:22:04
  Yeah, he taught an account and someone said that's why he
• 1:22:07
  became so good at being able to what you just said.
• 1:22:10
  Convey it to just anybody. Because in that class you to be,
• 1:22:13
  get into the nuts and the bolts and getting hard and he would
• 1:22:16
  see deer. And they were like, he would see
• 1:22:18
  the deer in the headlight. Looked when you pull it back.
• 1:22:21
  So essentially, every year he had someone to go to, but, you
• 1:22:26
  know, it's an icon lost. It was literally days after the
• 1:22:30
  all-madden documentary, which I have not At watch.
• 1:22:32
  But I heard it's pretty cool. I did I watched it on the day.
• 1:22:36
  Came out. Yeah.
• 1:22:38
  Christmas Day night. I was sitting there with my
• 1:22:40
  father-in-law, very nice. Yeah, in the living room,
• 1:22:44
  watching that kind of just wrapping up a nice Christmas
• 1:22:48
  Day. And I mean, I know, I know when
• 1:22:51
  they were talking about the making of it, you know, that,
• 1:22:55
  you know, his family told him, just the sections that he was,
• 1:22:57
  he was interviewed. It was just going to kind of be
• 1:22:59
  a little small thing and then obviously they brought And you
• 1:23:03
  know, these all time guys and guys that he spent a bunch of
• 1:23:05
  time with and folks that he was on the road with, with his crew,
• 1:23:10
  you know, and it turned into the, the documentary that it
• 1:23:13
  was. And I think that, you know, him
• 1:23:17
  living this to see that I think was really, really big for him.
• 1:23:21
  So it was really great. So, rest in peace, John Madden.
• 1:23:29
  Now, Brian, let's go look at The bowl pick ones.
• 1:23:35
  I'm still trying to figure this out.
• 1:23:36
  We ended up with the same number of total wins predicted, you
• 1:23:40
  have more losses. I'd still don't figure that out.
• 1:23:43
  That's the whole all Saturday. Pickens Brian wins.
• 1:23:47
  Bold pickles though. I take on the regular season,
• 1:23:50
  Brian takes on the bowl season, if you would have went with
• 1:23:53
  Brian 2114, you'd have made some people, some money.
• 1:23:57
  I ended up 17 and 18. I still don't know how the way I
• 1:24:00
  started like winning. Like winning one game out of
• 1:24:04
  first aid, but uh, real good bowl season.
• 1:24:07
  Lot of really fun games, especially the games don't
• 1:24:11
  matter. But New Year's Day those three
• 1:24:14
  games on New Year's Day, man. The the fiesta, the Outback in
• 1:24:22
  the Citrus were probably three of the best games of the year.
• 1:24:25
  Yeah, absolutely. And and then the rose just
• 1:24:32
  unbelievable. I mean You know.
• 1:24:39
  It's why you need, why you need talented guys, schemes great in
• 1:24:44
  Utah, played their nuts off that game but you saw that talent in
• 1:24:49
  the end you know with you know especially Jackson Smith new
• 1:24:53
  Java, holy shit. I mean that kid went 300-plus
• 1:25:00
  yards, lit It Up, made a name for himself, definitely a first
• 1:25:04
  round Talent, probably coming out next year.
• 1:25:07
  So, you know, great bowl season. And there's there's one more
• 1:25:15
  Brian just to begin. Today's from, we got one more,
• 1:25:18
  man, For national championship game and we'll do our pics on
• 1:25:23
  it. I will watch it.
• 1:25:27
  That's just the love. I know some people were saying
• 1:25:30
  not going to watch. It's just an SEC thing.
• 1:25:33
  Bama Georgia, nnd Georgia, the favorite land three points.
• 1:25:38
  Brian, what do you say on this one?
• 1:25:42
  I'm taking Georgia. I think the money line in spread
• 1:25:49
  money line in spread. I think it's a, I think it's a
• 1:25:55
  title that's like a four-point win for for Georgia late.
• 1:25:59
  Touchdown retake the lead. Okay, and Bama can't get it down
• 1:26:06
  the field and enough time. So I'm gonna go Georgia.
• 1:26:09
  I think them seeing what Bama did in the SEC championship game
• 1:26:14
  at is the difference. I think this is kind of an
• 1:26:16
  inverse of the previous SEC National Championship where a
• 1:26:22
  matchup was played earlier and the victories were swapped.
• 1:26:30
  I think this is another situation where the victories
• 1:26:32
  are going to be swapped. So I think that Georgia takes it
• 1:26:36
  here. All right.
• 1:26:41
  I'm not going to bet against saving.
• 1:26:43
  I don't know what they'll win, but I'll take Kamon.
• 1:26:45
  Once on my thought is smart has to eventually get a win here.
• 1:26:50
  He eventually. Right?
• 1:26:51
  But I just again, if Georgia had one, I think it's Georgia had
• 1:26:58
  won the Michigan game, closer, and not shown a lot of cards.
• 1:27:02
  I think I might be leaning Georgia, but that, that worries
• 1:27:06
  me, You can't show that much to Nick Saban unless you've got
• 1:27:11
  something really schemed up. Deep Todd Monken for Saban in
• 1:27:18
  that offense because they've shown they can crack the armor
• 1:27:21
  of what seemed to be an impenetrable defense already.
• 1:27:26
  So I just want a good game. Yeah.
• 1:27:30
  And next year we got a crummy game the year before that we got
• 1:27:33
  a crummy game. The year for that, we got a
• 1:27:37
  crummy game. We haven't had a really good
• 1:27:40
  national championship game and almost four years.
• 1:27:44
  Yeah, so I just want a good competitive, fun game to watch.
• 1:27:52
  I've been to need earlier, Brian, both of our proteins,
• 1:27:56
  when you're in, right. Dip, when y'all are definitely
• 1:28:00
  in, we win, we're in. If we lose, we'll need some help
• 1:28:04
  if we win. We're in regardless.
• 1:28:07
  Yeah, we could have closed it out last week but We played down
• 1:28:12
  to a lesser competition, like, we've done and we lost another,
• 1:28:17
  you know, one score game. Yeah.
• 1:28:20
  Well, we beat up the Texans with the rookie quarterback and now
• 1:28:24
  the discussion is, do you start the rookie against the Rams, or
• 1:28:27
  do we start Jimmy against the Rams?
• 1:28:30
  I don't know. Don't care if the Saints beat or
• 1:28:36
  lose to Atlanta, where, in regardless, And I'm trying to
• 1:28:40
  look up when that game is hold on a second.
• 1:28:44
  Efforting, efforting here. Efforting, all we have to do is
• 1:28:48
  beat the Jags who don't have a head coach, and have eleven one
• 1:28:51
  there. One there in seven years.
• 1:28:55
  Y'all got to get a monkey off, y'alls back?
• 1:28:57
  Yeah, seven years Braun lets see which well to me because we
• 1:29:06
  never lost there for so long over.
• 1:29:10
  Yeah. The the Saints game is of
• 1:29:12
  course, going to take place the same time as our game that 425.
• 1:29:17
  So, you know, you got to play your nuts off regardless.
• 1:29:22
  We gotta play. I mean, this is why they've set
• 1:29:24
  this up like this and the funny part is you heard what could
• 1:29:30
  happen right with that old if y'all lose or if y'all was
• 1:29:36
  y'all, if y'all lose the Chargers and or if y'all win,
• 1:29:41
  The Chargers and Raiders like should play to a tie or
• 1:29:44
  something funky like that. I'm we're sure we're if we
• 1:29:50
  filled the stands here it was like if So if y'all lose the
• 1:29:58
  rate y'all be 9 & 8. Oh yeah.
• 1:30:00
  They should play do Thai. So they have one less loss, they
• 1:30:03
  had their 97 and one which percentages take them above
• 1:30:06
  y'all them. Which would be crappy.
• 1:30:12
  But then the Steelers can make it into doing that.
• 1:30:15
  So it's kind of funny, but it is what it is.
• 1:30:18
  Let's just write them. So we don't have to worry about
• 1:30:19
  any of these scenarios, that's all I want.
• 1:30:22
  I just want to see my team play in January and relevant
• 1:30:25
  football. So, you know, is what it is,
• 1:30:28
  Brian. Has anything broken, the last
• 1:30:30
  hour and a half since we jumped on here and some fun man?
• 1:30:33
  I think we're good. All right, well, that will wrap
• 1:30:36
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• 1:30:41
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