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Bigger buildings on the way for industrial projects · Austin Signal

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Vacancies for industrial buildings
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in the greater Austin region are
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near the highest levels of any place
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in the country, no matter which data
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you're looking at.
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It could be that prospective
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companies thinking of moving to
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Austin aren't finding buildings that
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are big enough to accommodate them.
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More about the status of the market
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and spring fever,
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oak and mold pollen, and now another
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strain of coronavirus.
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We're going to talk about this
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latest variant and the complications
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it brings with it.
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That is coming up on today's show.
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The Austin Signal is a production
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of KUT News, hosted by
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Jerry Quijano.
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Plus, half a century ago,
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incarcerated Texans formed bands and
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recorded their music inside state
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prisons.
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Some of that music was shared
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recently with a wider audience,
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and today we're going to share some
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of it with you.
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That is coming up next.
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It's Tuesday, April 7th.
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Vacancies for industrial buildings
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in Austin and the surrounding region
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are near the highest levels across
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the country. That's no matter whose
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data you're looking at.
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It could be possible, though, that
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prospective companies aren't finding
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enough of the space that they need
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in the Austin area to make things
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work for them.
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For more about that, we are speaking
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with Justin Sayers.
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He's a senior staff writer with the
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Austin Business Journal.
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Thank you for your time, Justin.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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So let's talk first about those
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vacancy levels, or where are they
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at, and generally what size are
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these buildings that we're talking
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about.
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Yeah, so it's always important
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to put these numbers into context.
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Yes, they are some of the highest in
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the country. But when you look at a
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market like Austin, we
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are still a very small industrial
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market. We have one-tenth
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the size of what a Dallas has.
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So when one lease gets signed here,
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those numbers go down.
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Despite that, what happened was
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in 2020 in the boom,
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people rushed to meet the demand of
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the people moving here.
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So they built a ton of buildings and
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You know, it takes a while to build
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buildings, so those are all coming
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online right now.
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Okay, so let's say, can you just
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define for me what is a speculative
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building, and why would developers
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make these spaces even bigger
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even though there are these vacancy
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numbers that we're seeing right now?
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Yeah.
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So when it comes to development,
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time is money.
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So what developers will do
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is they will build buildings without
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a tenant in mind, almost like you
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build an apartment without tenants
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in there.
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So they build these buildings,
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hoping to have them ready
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to lease to a company that's
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looking and having that
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building built already is great for
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a company rather than doing a build
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to suit or building it on your own.
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So that's what it means by
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speculative.
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Okay, how much space is necessary
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to attract these bigger size
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companies?
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So that's the really interesting
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thing and what our story covered.
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So when I moved here five years ago,
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the sweet spot and all the companies
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that we're looking were these 100 to
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200,000 square foot leases.
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Which it sounds like we have a bunch
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of right now, right?
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Exactly.
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And we have a ton, when
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you look at the vacancy numbers,
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those are the highest vacancy is
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that range.
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But what we're starting to see is
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that developers are building
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bigger.
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So they're building buildings that
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are like half a million square
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feet to try and attract these
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really large tenants,
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say the Teslas or the Samsungs
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and their suppliers.
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And what they're finding is when
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they put these on the market, they
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don't seem to very long.
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As in they don't stay vacant for
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long? Exactly.
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So, yeah, we went through just
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to pull it because one
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developer just broke ground on a
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682,000 square
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foot building, which is the largest
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we've ever seen in the market.
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Okay.
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But what we did was we looked at all
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the buildings that were 400 or
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bigger built speculatively
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and at least half of them were
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leased within a year of finishing or
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even while they were still in
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development.
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Okay, can you tell us more about
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some examples of these
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larger scale spec builds here in
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Austin and perhaps what kind of jobs
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they have brought to the area?
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Yeah, so a big example is
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down in Kyle.
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Again, five years ago, Kyle was
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still a growing city.
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It didn't have a lot of employers.
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Developer came in, built a 1.4
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million square foot industrial park
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that had one of these large
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buildings.
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Tesla came in and leased the whole
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thing.
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We don't have exact numbers on how
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many people are working there,
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because Tesla is very secretive
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about that, but it's believed to be
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in the well into the hundreds.
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Another example, up in Georgetown,
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there's a company called ZT Systems
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that makes pieces for the data
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center industry.
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They took one building that
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was over 400,000 square feet,
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bought it. They're already employing
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hundreds there.
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Just last week, right before a
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story came out, they actually leased
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another one of these speculative
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buildings.
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So again, that's hundreds of
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employees in manufacturing,
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warehousing, that type of industry.
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One thing that your story talks
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about is balancing
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the scale between the creation
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of these projects of such large
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size. You obviously can't just
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have hundreds of these 700,
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800,000 square foot projects popping
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up.
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But how great is the demand for
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buildings of this size in the Austin
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area according to the data that
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you've been looking at.
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Yeah. So we talked to a lot of
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brokers and these are the guys, you
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know, either representing companies
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or representing the developers
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and the landlords and trying to
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lease these.
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They have said that there is a
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very large uptick in, you,
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know, companies that are looking for
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buildings of these size and that
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Austin has lost out on a lot these
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projects.
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One broker we talked to said he
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himself lost three projects just to
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Dallas last year because
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they had these buildings.
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So, you know, having buildings of
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these size ready, built.
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You know, permitted is attractive
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for a company that is trying to move
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fast and trying to get in there as
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fast as possible.
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So it's very possible.
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I mean, we have reported a
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big one that's looking around Blue
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Origin, you know Jeff Bezos'
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space company.
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So, you know companies like that,
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you make yourself more attractive
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when you have something that works
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for them rather than a
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Houston, Dallas, San Antonio or even
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out of state where they can
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find that and move fast on.
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So it sounds, according to your
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story, like even though these
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vacancy numbers that we're seeing in
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industrial buildings in Austin are
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high and high across the nation,
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developers are still pretty excited
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about the potential of buildings
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here in Austin, correct?
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Definitely.
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I don't think, I mean, these numbers
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have been pretty elevated for the
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last couple years.
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I've not spoken to one
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broker who is concerned,
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because at the end of the day, you
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know, one of these leases get
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signed, that number goes down.
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That being said, they're
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still very hesitant to put more of
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those 100 to 200 to 300,000
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square foot buildings on the market
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because those do
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have high vacancy, but they're
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getting a little more creative,
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whether that's bigger buildings.
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Sometimes smaller buildings that are
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more flexible or even going
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to areas that really weren't
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in demand before like the Cedar Park
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Leander area We've seen a
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few groundbreaking scheduled on
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projects that have That were
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sitting waiting and now they're
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breaking ground in that area because
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they're starting to see better
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leasing numbers in those pockets
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Okay, we have been speaking with
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Justin Sayers.
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He's a senior staff writer with the
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Austin Business Journal.
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We're gonna have a link to his
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latest story in today's show notes.
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Thank you for your time, Justin.
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Yeah, thanks you so much for having
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me.
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Well, following the holidays, you
8:31
might know a few people who have the
8:33
sniffles right now, maybe you're one
8:34
of them. Maybe you're wondering, is
8:36
this COVID?
8:37
Is it allergies or the flu?
8:39
Well, you're not alone, and
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we'll have more on that in a second.
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But when it comes to COVID, there's
8:44
a new strain out, nicknamed the
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cicada strain, that has folks
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a little worried.
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For more, we are talking with KUT's
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healthcare reporter, Olivia
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Aldridge. She's with us in the
8:53
studio. Howdy, Olivia.
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Hi, Jerry.
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So tell us more about this Cicada
8:57
COVID variant.
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Well, the technical name for this
9:00
variant is BA32.
9:02
It was nicknamed cicada basically
9:04
because the sort of
9:06
parent variant of BA32
9:08
was kind of underground for years.
9:10
We weren't really seeing it spread,
9:12
but much like cicada, the insect
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reemerges after a few years.
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That's kind of what's happened here.
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It was first detected in
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South Africa in late 2024.
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It's been circulating a little bit
9:23
globally since then, and now it's in
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the US as well.
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And epidemiologists are watching
9:28
it to kind of see if it becomes
9:30
dominant here.
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What are the complications
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associated with this variant?
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It looks so far like it produces
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similar symptoms to other
9:38
COVID variants, you know, sore
9:39
throat, cough, fever, body aches
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and all, all that good stuff.
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But what's kind of piqued people's
9:45
interest about cicada is that it's
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highly mutated and in early
9:49
studies, it seems that it is better
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at evading antibodies and maybe
9:53
getting around our current COVID
9:55
vaccines.
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So that's a potential concern.
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Some early data also shows that kids
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are more susceptible to it.
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Okay, do we have any like data, any
10:02
numbers on the
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Cicada variant here in Central
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Texas?
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Nationwide, I can tell you that
10:09
right now it's just about 7%
10:11
of COVID cases based on
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the evidence that the CDC has from
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studying wastewater.
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So you know, it's still it's still
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relatively few cases.
10:21
It's been seen in Texas and
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a bunch of other states, but there
10:24
are more dominant strains out there
10:26
for sure. So right now, it's just
10:28
something they're watching to kind
10:29
of see what happens.
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What about COVID numbers overall?
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I mean, it's still out there.
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COVID's always kind of around to
10:36
some degree, even if we're not
10:37
experiencing a big surge.
10:39
But right now the data is not really
10:41
showing that we're in a surge.
10:42
Wastewater levels are pretty low in
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Texas and in Travis County
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specifically, higher in
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Hayes County. So we'll see what
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happens there, but statewide
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hospitalizations, ER visits
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from COVID are kind of trending
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down.
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Okay, it seems like every year since
10:57
2020, we have been talking about
10:59
a rough season for respiratory
11:01
illnesses has this spring been
11:03
similar for that.
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Yeah, we're kind of coming out now
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of the traditional winter
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respiratory virus season.
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There wasn't the biggest spike in
11:12
COVID this year, but it was around.
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And there was a pretty tough flu
11:15
strain this year.
11:16
One doctor that I spoke with told me
11:18
that she felt this season lasted
11:20
a bit longer than usual and she
11:22
saw a real mix of COVID, flu,
11:24
RSV, even strep in her clinic.
11:27
And then of course, this time of
11:28
year, it can be kind of tough to
11:29
tell because allergies can
11:31
also start to complicate things and
11:33
it's... You know, a question
11:35
as to whether you have Cedar fever
11:37
or it's a virus getting you down.
11:38
Yeah, and as we've heard from
11:40
personal experiences around the
11:41
offices, sometimes the early
11:43
days aren't quite indicative of what
11:45
comes later in these illnesses, so
11:47
it is even harder to really have
11:49
a sense of detection.
11:50
Can you just remind us before you
11:51
get out of here how folks can
11:53
prevent getting sick
11:55
and how maybe people
11:57
will know when it's progressing
11:59
past something that's
12:01
just kind of your regular normal
12:02
sickness?
12:04
Yeah, I mean, the advice for not
12:06
getting sick is it's stayed the
12:07
same.
12:08
You stay up to date for vaccines for
12:10
COVID, wash your hands, take it
12:12
seriously if you know you were
12:13
around someone who was sick.
12:15
That's a good reason to get tested
12:16
if you start to feel symptoms.
12:19
And then if you have a fever or body
12:21
ache, something like that, the
12:22
doctors I spoke to said that's
12:24
usually a strong sign that what
12:25
you're dealing with is probably not
12:27
allergies.
12:28
All right, we have been speaking
12:29
with Olivia Aldridge.
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She is QUT's healthcare reporter.
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Thanks for coming back on the show,
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Olivia.
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Thanks, Jerry.
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And thank you out there for
12:37
spending part of your Tuesday here
12:39
with us.
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We have more Austin Signal coming up
12:42
after this break.
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This is Austin Signal, welcome back.
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Woke up this morning and
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I feel so good
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Morgan White recorded the song Come
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Home while in the Wynn Unit
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Band. It was composed entirely of
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prisoners, just one of many Texas
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prison bands that played and
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recorded music during the 1970s.
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The history of these bands recently
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caught the attention of Maurice
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Schma, Texas-based staff writer
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at The Marshall Project.
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He and Morgan White spoke with Texas
13:31
Standard's David Brown about the
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music and the history behind
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it.
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Man, you've got some pipes
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on you.
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My goodness gracious.
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Were you at one time a professional
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singer or no?
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Yes, you know, I
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did start doing music when I was
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probably 14, 15
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years old.
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You were telling me you grew up in a
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temple, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, mm-hmm.
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Now, what about that song,
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Come Home? That's, it's got a great
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melody to it.
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Well, I was having
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a conversation with a
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friend of mine who was
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also incarcerated at that time and
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he was telling me about a situation
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he was having with his girlfriend
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and the song kind of grew
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out of our conversation.
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So you wrote that song?
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Yes.
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And y'all recorded it around 1980.
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What was that about?
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Did you have access to recording
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equipment and all that?
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Well yes we did we had a
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uh... Actually had a studio at the
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wind unit uh...
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That had been built uh...
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Sometime in the late seventy
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and uh... I was a clerk uh...
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In the music department got named
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tom miller who was our
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music director uh...
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Was the guy who helped write the
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arrangement and the trumpet player
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on that particular cut that you
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heard.
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Gee whiz, how many songs did
14:53
you record while you were locked up
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in Texas?
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Quite a few, I'm not sure, I can't
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tell you a particular number,
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because it actually started I
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guess in the 60s when I first
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went to prison, 1961,
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and I guess the first time
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I was on The recording was probably
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around 65.
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That's remarkable to me because I
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understand there were a lot of
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prison reform efforts in the 70s
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and they began introducing things
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that were sort of vocational
15:26
related so that people
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would have an opportunity to record.
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The fact that you were recording in
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a Texas lockup as early as 1965
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kind of blows my mind.
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I won't lie to you.
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They had a studio back then?
15:39
No they didn't really have a studio
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it was kind of
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a it was kind of accrued
15:45
arrangement that they had
15:46
to set up with we
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had a band director at that time
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named bo cruz uh
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that was from the hospital area
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he was a trombone player but
15:56
he was our musical director and we
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kind of set up on stage in
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what was the old library at
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the walls unit Where where
16:04
everything was situated at that
16:06
time? The education department
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and the coastal music department
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came out of the education
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department.
16:12
And so the old library was
16:15
where the stage and the auditorium
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was and they kind of set up mics
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on stage and we recorded
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that way.
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It wasn't as good as what you're
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hearing now because
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we actually had a better set
16:28
up on the win.
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I want to bring in Maurice Shema,
16:34
who's a writer with The Marshall
16:36
Project, and Maurice, we
16:38
picked up on this as a result of
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your reporting, and frankly
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stunned by the idea
16:44
that there would be all of these
16:46
recordings, what, floating
16:48
out there somewhere?
16:49
What what what what
16:51
happened to these recordings and and
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how many are there out there?
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So there's about 10 records.
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And I found the first one
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new to me, you know, about 10 years
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ago, when I was just surfing on
17:02
eBay. I mean, I think I had a Google
17:04
alert related to Texas prisons since
17:05
most of my day job is reporting
17:07
on, you now, prisons today.
17:09
So I found this record, the cover
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of it has a man being kind of
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flung off a horse.
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And I came to learn that these
17:16
bands, in addition to recording
17:18
these albums, would also perform at
17:20
the Texas prison rodeo, which was
17:22
held every year in Huntsville
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until about 1986.
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Tens of thousands of Texans
17:27
from around the state would gather
17:29
there and watch the
17:31
incarcerated people do
17:32
rodeo events, but then also play in
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these bands.
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And then I just kind of put that
17:38
record on a shelf that collected
17:39
dust.
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I kind of slowly learned that there
17:42
was a bunch of prison bands
17:43
around the country that were allowed
17:45
to record.
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One of them in Pennsylvania even
17:47
opened for Stevie Wonder at one
17:49
point. So.
17:50
Kind of learn this history, got
17:51
really immersed as a kind of rabbit
17:53
hole that you go down.
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And then I knew that
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there were these other Texas albums
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and you'd see references to them
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online, but it was a little bit of a
18:00
white whale just knowing that this
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music was out there.
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And then, I just sort of one day
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on a whim put in a call to
18:07
the Texas Prison Museum, which
18:09
is in Huntsville, very close to
18:10
where this rodeo took place.
18:12
And they said, yeah, we've got all
18:13
the albums. I think one of the the
18:15
men who worked in the prison that
18:16
that Morgan mentioned
18:20
uh... You know just had them at his
18:21
house and i probably donated at
18:23
some point to this museum and they
18:25
said you can come and digitize them
18:26
so so i did i took a turntable
18:28
into the museum and just plugged it
18:30
into my laptop uh...
18:32
Got it set up and and ripped all
18:34
of the vinyl and then you know now
18:36
we're putting it online at the
18:37
marshall project
18:38
Could you connect this story with
18:40
your Marshall project work?
18:41
What does a Marshall project do?
18:43
Sure. So the Marshall Project is a
18:45
nonprofit news organization that
18:47
covers the American criminal justice
18:48
system. A lot of what we do is
18:50
investigative reporting, and I have
18:53
been a journalist covering prisons
18:55
and courts for about the last 10
18:56
years.
18:57
I see reporting on this music as
18:59
kind of part of making an argument
19:00
that prisons can be places where
19:02
people can
19:04
engage their creative and spiritual
19:06
and their vocational
19:08
selves to try to kind
19:10
work through issues so that when
19:12
they come out of prison, they're
19:13
less likely to return.
19:15
And it seems like from this music,
19:16
in the 70s and 80s, there was
19:18
kind of more of that, more of a
19:20
message of these people are your
19:21
neighbors and they're gonna come
19:22
home. And that's kind of the message
19:23
that I hope this music brings
19:25
to people.
19:27
We're gonna keep covering it in a
19:29
weekly newsletter where I'm gonna be
19:31
publishing basically one song a week
19:33
that was recorded in a prison.
19:34
Some of it is from
19:36
a very long time ago, 1930s, 40s.
19:38
Some of it is.
19:40
Recent. There are nonprofits, you
19:42
know, that with small music programs
19:43
in prisons today across the country.
19:45
So if you check out the Marshall
19:47
Project website, you can continue to
19:49
follow along as I put out
19:50
this music.
19:52
And these recordings, at least at
19:53
one time, what, were they sold at
19:55
the rodeo or something?
19:57
That's my understanding.
19:58
Yeah, they were sold at the rodeo.
19:59
And on the back of the albums, it
20:01
says, you know, these were sold
20:03
to fund rehabilitative programs
20:05
for the people inside.
20:07
You can sort of wonder how much
20:09
of that money really went to that
20:10
purpose, right?
20:11
I mean, I have not gone deep on the
20:13
records, but, but it
20:15
suggests that there was, you know,
20:18
roughly 3000 sold
20:20
every weekend in October as the
20:21
rodeos took place in Huntsville.
20:24
So there are probably some of these
20:26
incredibly rare records just
20:28
floating out there in the
20:29
collections of Texans
20:31
somewhere. I want to hear a little
20:32
bit more of this music.
20:33
This is another song featuring
20:35
Morgan White.
20:36
This time Morgan's playing
20:38
drums. This is 11
20:40
by 7 and this is one
20:42
of those tracks produced in 1965.
20:44
Let's listen.
21:10
Holy cow.
21:13
Morgan, you didn't tell us you were
21:14
a drummer too.
21:16
Well, yeah, that was my first love,
21:19
my first instrument that
21:22
I started out playing years and
21:24
years ago.
21:25
That group was a jazz
21:27
group.
21:29
The saxophone player that you would
21:31
listen to was named Carmen Scaleri.
21:33
He was originally from New Jersey
21:35
and studied with Charlie Parker
21:37
back in the day.
21:39
We had a guitar player named
21:41
Jerry Taylor who
21:43
was from Arizona.
21:45
I played drums and, of course, we
21:47
had a bass player that was
21:49
originally from Vermont, Texas, but
21:51
he had been too long, and I guess he
21:53
got busted when he moved back to
21:54
Texas from Las Vegas.
21:56
He had worked as a musician in Las
21:58
Vegas. He was a bass-player.
21:59
So, yeah, we were doing radio
22:01
shows, TV shows.
22:05
7X11 came out of
22:07
a show that we used to do
22:09
in Houston on Channel 11
22:11
at 7 o'clock.
22:12
It was like a morning show.
22:14
It advertised I rodeo.
22:16
That was the voice of Morgan White,
22:18
a former Texas prison band musician
22:20
who still sings at the church he
22:21
attends outside Seattle.
22:23
He was joined by Maurice Shemagh,
22:25
a staff writer for The Marshall
22:26
Project based here in Austin.
22:28
They were talking with Texas
22:29
Standards' David Brown, and we're
22:30
gonna have a link to a much longer
22:32
version of their conversation and
22:34
links to more songs recorded in
22:36
Texas prisons in the podcast,
22:38
Show Notes.
22:39
That is it for today's show.
22:41
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22:47
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22:49
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22:50
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22:53
I'm your host, Jerry Quijano.
22:55
We'll talk to you tomorrow.