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Ep.7 Thyroid Dysfunction and Turkey Tail · Health and Homestead Pod

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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to Health and Homestead with Laura and Allie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hi.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hi.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Episode seven.
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  SPEAKER_01: Seven episodes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Season one, episode seven.
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  SPEAKER_03: Look at us.
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  SPEAKER_03: Season one, the season of our lives.
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  SPEAKER_03: These are the seasons of our lives.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it really is.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um when are we coming?
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  SPEAKER_02: We're coming at you today with thyroid and turkey tail.
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  SPEAKER_02: From Laura's closet.
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  SPEAKER_02: We switched locations.
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  SPEAKER_02: We are on location on the floor of Laura's closet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bob or Amelia or Amelia.
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  SPEAKER_02: Allie's in Bob's clothes and I'm in mine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Almost clothing is installation in here.
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  SPEAKER_02: So hopefully the the acoustics are good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is better than the the foam, actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's anyway.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I do have a correction to make from last week, but I'm gonna wait until I go because it's part of my whole thing anyway.
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  SPEAKER_03: Part of the part of the stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: Part of the stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: So what to do before that?
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  SPEAKER_03: What's going on?
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  SPEAKER_03: Before that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I have I have meds that work now.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're not a horrible bitch.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_03: I like this is a this is a PSA for people to just Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Change of meds is is not fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: The trial and error part, like people can say that, but but we found the right one.
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  SPEAKER_03: We found the right one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank the good Lord baby Jesus because I was pretty sure I was gonna be put like institutionalized there.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was almost the one to institutionalize you.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, Laura was almost gonna drop me off with a note on together.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, too, too much, arguably.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we can't take this bitch.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, this is so things are a lot better.
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  SPEAKER_03: Things are a lot better now, so that's so that's good.
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  SPEAKER_03: We spent a lot of time outside this weekend, so that helped too.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's my that's my happy place, is in the woods, so very much.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was it was um what's it called?
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  SPEAKER_03: Thanksgiving this weekend.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we're in Canada, so Thanksgiving is not in November.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you realize that your toddler may be a little bit homicide.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Alex and I both hunt, and of course, when we see a deer, it's not like and when Arlo sees things, he'll he'll say that about anything like a snail.
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  SPEAKER_03: He'll be like, oh cute, and then he sees a beautiful deer.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's like, Mommy, shoot it.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's where that's where we're at.
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  SPEAKER_03: And to be fair, if it was season, if it was in season, I would have.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he loves seeing a deer kirk is hanging in his girls.
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  SPEAKER_01: He loves it.
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  SPEAKER_01: He loves it, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And big buck, mommy, mommy got a big buck.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's so cute.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's my biggest fan.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's my hype man.
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  SPEAKER_02: The McNaughton Big Buck trophy in the living room and big doe trophy as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: Both of them, no big deal.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's weird.
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  SPEAKER_02: I come from a long line, long line of hunters.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this was officially my last weekend of playing baseball, not baseball.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not baseball, softball used to be.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't play softball, I play slow pitch.
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  SPEAKER_02: But this was my what's the difference?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is it the same ball?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a log ball.
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  SPEAKER_02: It comes 80 kilometers slower.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: It goes up 12 feet in the air and then comes down, and you have to time your swing perfectly.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you think you should swing, don't count to 20 and then swing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then swing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, it's super fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: Is it a softball that you use though?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like size ball?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it's like it's soft, like it's not the same one they use for fast, but it's a softer one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a hot dog.
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  SPEAKER_02: I used to play glove ball, but anyways, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know there was a science with a ball, but anyway, I realized at 41 that my baseball bag now includes cleats, a hat, my glove, and poise pad.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and Laura, my teammate will attest because I was like, oh no, I hit the ball and I guess I had to pee.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, bladder leakage with perimenopause.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's just with if you have a kid.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't even think that's is that perimenopause or is that just the floor is just not as great as it used to be.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just a rough time.
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  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, it's fine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Poise pads.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you need to have them in my ball bag, and my poise pads.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't, I'm not shy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't care.
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  SPEAKER_00: When's the last time I pissed myself?
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  SPEAKER_02: It ha uh I mean it happens.
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  SPEAKER_02: It happens, it's fine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's you can say it doesn't, ladies, but it does, and that's okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't have to be a full-on wet.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, it's and that's what my my girlfriend, she was like a kid, she's like, What do you mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, No, like I didn't pee, but you know, it's just a little don't I don't even want to hear what you're gonna say.
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  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, that's enough of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: What else?
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  SPEAKER_02: Etsy, we are going.
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  SPEAKER_02: I hate that you have to pay shipping for our stuff.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, it's so annoying.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, what we're gonna do ballcord.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna do a ballcorder.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna do bulk order.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's a local pickup only, so picto county pickup only.
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  SPEAKER_02: Eh, I mean surrounding areas, whatever.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'll drive the tarot for you if you want.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we're going to post like a chart.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna post it on our Facebooks, maybe we'll do that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I have to make it the spreadsheet.
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  SPEAKER_03: Or did you make it already?
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_03: No, I didn't make it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'll make it.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's my that makes me happy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's why I left it for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But we're gonna put all of our merch on this thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you if you want to go in the Etsy store, so health, health and homestead one, all one word.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you see anything on there you like, like a sweatshirt or a long sleeve shirt, t-shirt, crop top, any of those things that are already made.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have or we have crop tops for some of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have cropped whether champion, like cropped t-shirts, or not cropped, what they technically are, but they raked your belt.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: But they're a short, a shorter shirt.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was not advised of this.
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  SPEAKER_03: I ordered you one.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's on route.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bright pink.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh anyway, if there's anything you want, you can give suggestions because Marley has already suggested multiple pieces of clothing that I added to the shop.
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  SPEAKER_02: So anything on there that you want, we're gonna make a chart, we're gonna order, and we're gonna get no shipping for you guys.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that, yeah, that way you'll save on shipping and and you can you can think for think ahead to Christmas, or we can do another one before Christmas too, if that's something.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there's clothing, but there's also like mugs.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's a 15-ounce mug, which is the perfect size.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, actually.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've got it in my TikTok video today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but if there's anything else you want, just let us know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's dive in.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's dive in.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you're gonna go.
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  SPEAKER_02: I went first last week.
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  SPEAKER_02: Me first bitch.
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  SPEAKER_02: Me first bitch.
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  SPEAKER_02: Me too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Me too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Me first movement.
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  SPEAKER_02: Me first movement.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going first.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna do thyroid dysfunction because there's different types of thyroid dysfunction, but I get a lot of questions about thyroid, and there's a ton of people on thyroid medication.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, what is it?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's your thyroid do?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a little butterfly-shaped gland in the front of your neck, kind of at the base of your neck, that really controls your metabolic rate.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it can helps your body convert food to energy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Energy is needed all over the body, so the thyroid is important for most functions of the body.
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  SPEAKER_02: Very important gland, very important hormones that it secretes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, in tying into last week, I said this is my correction because I said when you're going through perimenopause, there's not really any hormone testing you can do to see if you're in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's for estrogen and progesterone, because those levels are fucked up when you're in perimenopause.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oftentimes, though, they will test thyroid hormone because the symptoms of thyroid dysfunction can closely mimic those of perimenopause.
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  SPEAKER_02: Put a finger up if you so thyroid dysfunction, some symptoms that you may have that be like, okay, it's we might pass it off as perimenopause, but it could actually be thyroid related, is fatigue, memory problems, weight gain, and mood changes, which are all listed in my perimenopause episode last week.
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  SPEAKER_03: So super specific.
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  SPEAKER_03: Super specific.
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  SPEAKER_02: So usually when you get a blood panel done anytime, especially women, because we are more likely to get thyroid dysfunction, which I will get into later, but um, thyroid tests are usually included.
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  SPEAKER_02: So TSH, T3, T4.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you see those on your blood rec and you don't know what they mean, those are checking your thyroid gland and thyroid hormones.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thyroid dysfunction can be classified into two different types.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's underactive thyroid, which means your thyroid gland does not produce as much hormone as it needs to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your bodily functions.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then there's hyperactive, which means it produces way too much, like it has to slow the death down.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: Just pump your breaks.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the more common one is underactive thyroid or hypothyroidism, which is treated given by medication.
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  SPEAKER_02: It there's a couple different causes.
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  SPEAKER_02: There is a genetic link to thyroid, so like in our family, it does run in our family.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and didn't you say it's very common in Eastern Canada?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, when I was in nursing school, we had a we had a professor and she's like, it would be very interesting if somebody did a um a study, like a thesis or something on hypothyroidism in Nova Scotia, just because we have such prevalent.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when I worked at the hospital too, it's like everybody in the hospital when I was given out meds in the morning, everybody's on synthroid.
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  SPEAKER_03: Synthroid, synthroid.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: Synthroid, synthroid.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's like that uh what's that iron disorder that you have?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um hematochromatis.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, hemochromatosis, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's super prevalent in this edge of the country, too, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: Weird.
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  SPEAKER_02: But what can cause underactive thyroid?
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's Hashimoto's, which is an autoimmune condition that just causes low production of thyroid hormone.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you have a family history, so kigenital for sure, previous neck surgery or radiation.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when I get into the treatment for hyperthyroid, sometimes they have to like take out your thyroid or they use radioactive iodine, which can destroy the way it works.
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  SPEAKER_02: So then you have to supplement.
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  SPEAKER_02: And iodine deficiency, which usually isn't an issue in the developed countries.
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  SPEAKER_02: Iodine, you when you think iodine, you think of salt.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, most of the like table salt even is i iodized.
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  SPEAKER_03: Iodinized?
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  SPEAKER_03: Iod iodinized.
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  unknown: Iodine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, but there's iodine added into it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but iodine is needed to make thyroid hormone.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you are iodine deficient, your body cannot produce thyroid hormone efficiently.
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  SPEAKER_02: Table salt has iodine.
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  SPEAKER_03: We usually don't have iodine deficiency here, but I wonder if that would affect my thyroid though, because I don't use boxed like table, well, it doesn't have to come in a box, but table salt.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: I use Himalayan sea salt.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and all all of those new types of salt.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like a salt is a salt, but not all salts are iodized.
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  SPEAKER_03: But they but Himalayan and like Celtic and all that have more minerals and shit in them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not processed.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's gonna be a correction.
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  SPEAKER_02: The correction for the next one.
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  SPEAKER_02: We'll look into that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but symptoms of hypothyroidism, or so low thyroid, is fatigue, weight gain, cold sensitivity.
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  SPEAKER_02: Highly sensitive to like cold feet, cold fingers, dry hair, dry skin, constipation, slowed heart rate, depression.
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  SPEAKER_02: And ladies, decreased libido.
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  SPEAKER_02: Woo! Think of underactive thyroid like your rest and digest.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like your body's like slowed down.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: Not today, Satan.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Not today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Overactive thyroid, though, or hyperthyroidism is the symptoms are kind of the opposite.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like unexplained weight loss, rapid, irregular heartbeat, palpitations, anxiety, tremors, so like a shake, heat sensitivity, so really insensitive to heat, increased sweating, trouble sleeping, and it can cause change in your periods.
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  SPEAKER_02: Either either one of them can cause change in your periods, but um overactive thyroid.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's graves disease, which is an autoimmune disease, but there's also um thyroid nodules.
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  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of people have thyroid nodules.
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  SPEAKER_02: I learned this just because the people are always kind of keeping an eye on their thyroid nodules because they can overproduce thyroid hormone.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um but that can cause hyperthyroidism too.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you have nodules, will it 100% cause hyper or just there?
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, it depends if yeah, it depends on your levels, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And how many nodules you have.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you can feel them.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like they they'll be able to feel them.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's part of the diagnosis part to have a health care professional.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I remember my doctor when I was young just said I had a fat neck.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they sent me for all this thyroid testing, and I don't have a goiter.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just a fat neck.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just a case of fatty neck.
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  unknown: Okay.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: 41 years strong.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are conditions though that you can have that kind of can can have both, can have hyperthyroid, then hypothyroid.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's a thyroiditis, which is inflammation of your thyroid gland, usually starts with a hyperthyroid, so it like overproduces thyroid hormone, and then it kind of like fucks off and gives temporary or chronic hypothyroidism.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you can have high and then and then low.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's also thyroiditis, it's called postpartum thyroiditis, which is usually transient.
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  SPEAKER_02: It only happens, it's very, very rare, but it can happen a year after birth that you get hyperthyroid, then hypothyroid again.
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  SPEAKER_02: But that it, like I said, it usually goes away.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's usually not uh not permanent.
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  SPEAKER_02: Very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I started actually, I started thyroid medications when I was pregnant.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: And you're still on them.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_02: Leads me to the next part.
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  SPEAKER_02: Who is at risk of thyroid dysfunction?
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  SPEAKER_02: Family history, like we already said, but females.
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  SPEAKER_00: Women all these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: All the things.
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  SPEAKER_02: We get them all.
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  SPEAKER_02: Females are five times more likely to have thyroid dysfunction versus men.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um where you live.
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  SPEAKER_02: So developed countries versus non-developed countries, iodine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or Nova Scotia versus non-Nova Scotia.
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  SPEAKER_02: Based on my come back for my thesis.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, age over 60, especially if you're female.
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  SPEAKER_02: Radiation therapy to head or the neck, and then there's uh certain autoimmune diseases which put you at risk, but I think like autoimmune diseases put you at risk of other autoimmune diseases anyway.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um but those types of things would be like type 1 diabetes, celiac, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, chogrin's syndrome, and certain anemias like B12 or pernicious anemia.
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  SPEAKER_02: There is a link to obesity in thyroid issues, but it's kind of like a chicken versus egg thing.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: They don't people are like, oh, I I became obese because I my thyroid wasn't working.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the weight gain is usually not that significant.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: But if you're obese and you're carrying more weight, it puts more strain in your thyroid gland.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: Blah blah blah.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Could put you at risk.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: So and pregnancy.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't want to say pregnancy is a risk, but pregnancy is a time in your life when you have to be really cognizant of if you have thyroid dysfunction, you should be monitoring more frequently because thyroid hormone is very important in the first three months of fetal development.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: It that's when the brain and the nervous system are developed.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: During pregnancy, you have a higher demand on your thyroid gland.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and if you do have thyroid dysfunction during pregnancy, it can increase your risk of miscarriage, uh, preterm birth, low birth rate, and impaired brain development.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: So is that part of the regular blood panel for pregnancy?
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to think.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: Do they always check when you're pregnant?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: Because you get blood work.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what on the regular panel is, I don't know.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Especially if you have if you're on a dose of centroid, because the difference, the normal range for you know, the normal range is on the lab thing.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: If you see an OBGYN, the ranges are different.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right, because when you're pregnant, yeah, everything's yeah, because hyperthyroidism can be a lot more dangerous in a developing fetus.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, so the ranges are tighter.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: The ranges, it depends what it like your TSH range is tighter.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Having been on on hypernant is obviously um important too, but yeah, there's increased risk of miscarriage with with um that's good to know.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's very good to know.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's just if you're out there, I'm having a normal baby.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Most of the developments happens at the first.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: All the normal systems happen at first.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why I gained all my weight in the first trimester.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: But I I started synthet when I was two months pregnant.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, because it was it was on the panel that showed it was deficient.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: So and then I just have kept on it.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: I can't get my blood book down, it still says I need it, but I don't know.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: But it says you're normal.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like so it's am I really normal?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, that's to be discussed.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Normal.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: On paper.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: We're all normal.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: On paper, I look good.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's important to know too, though, if you are started on a synthroid or you take synthroid while you're pregnant, you have to space it out from your prenatal vitamins because prenatal vitamins are heavy in minerals and they can bind to synthroid and make them not work as well.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: So talk to your pharmacist at night, take your pre prenatal at night, like everybody else in the world.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: So that is who's at risk, risk factors.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Diagnosis.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: So to diagnose a thyroid disorder, you usually present to the doctor with these symptoms of either high or low.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: They'll run some blood work, but when you go see your doctor, nurse practitioner, it usually involves a physical exam too, because they have to actually palpate your thyroid gland.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: So in the front of your neck, they'll they'll feel it because they can tell if it's enlarged, they can tell if there's nodules.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like you said, you can you can feel nodules.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe not if they're right tiny.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: And not if you have a fat neck like myself.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, if you're thick in the neck, like what um but us nor normal neckers, you might be able to like it's right there, like it's right fucking there.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's right there.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it I forgot to tell you, I'm a PhD.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: I got my PhD yesterday, I forgot to tell you.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thyroid lab tests, physical exam are both usually used.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes they have to order ultrasounds, which I've had to have an ultrasound on my neck because it's so fat.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um and sometimes like we have this redwood tree coming in to you to skip.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, shut up.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even care.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Who says that to somebody?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: I know exactly who said it to you.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I won't name him button.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, maybe he rest in these.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: No, still alive.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that one.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, important note though, if you go for lab testing for thyroid, a lot of people take biotin supplements.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't know what biotin supplements are, it's it's what's in hair, skin, and nails.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of products are just called hair, skin, and nails.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: But if you take biotin, biotin products can skew thyroid blood work.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: So if you are going for blood work and you take these supplements, you should stop the supplements for at least two days before you go for blood work.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Because biotin can interfere with your normal levels.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: But the annoying thing is hypothyroidism causes the things that you would take biotin for.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: So very important to note this.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: So dry skin, dry hair is hypothyroid.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: If you take biotin, and like no one ever knows what the ingredients of these things are, they just see hair, skin, nails, like, oh yeah.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's biotin.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that's diagnosing it.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: Routine screening, though, like in an adult panel of blood work, you probably have thyroid clicked off anyway, especially if you have family history.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: If you are treating thyroid, you should probably get it checked at least once a year.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe more often if you're, you know, prone to changes.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: But if I change a dose in the clinic based on blood work, we have to do a repeat in eight weeks to see if you're back in normal range.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: If you're not, we change it again, recheck in eight weeks.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: But then once you're back to normal levels and you're not symptomatic of of hyper or hypo, we'll probably just do it once a year.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Treatment.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: The goal is to return that bitch to normal.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: So we want to get her back to healthy range.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: Sluggish whore.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Butterfly whore.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, hormone levels are really important to maintain.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: So uh we have to get it back.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: So, and for hypothyroid, if your thyroid's not producing enough, you have to take a synthetic version of it's either synthroid or eltroxin in Canada, but whatever it's euthyroid I've seen before, euthyroxin, um, depending on different countries, but you have to supplement with thyroid hormone if you're low.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, hyperthyroidism is a little more complicated because your thyroids going crazy and you have to figure out why, whether it's an autoimmune disease, whether it's because of nodules, which can kind of put the hormone production in overdrive.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: So you have to treat the cause of it.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: But the the the treatment you can get medications for, so methymazole and propylfile uracil or PTU if you're uracil.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Those are called antithyroids, so they actually like cause your thyroid hormone to like chill, chill out.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: But then radioactive iodine therapy, people that get their thyroid removed for cancers, or if they have a lot of nodules and the medication isn't working, they may actually do radioactive therapy, which destroys the cells of your thyroid, which then you have to supplement with synthroids.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_03: So when you have hyperthyroidism, you essentially have to like induce hypo and then go on medication.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, if you if you're in hyper and you take methymazole, our goal is to get you back to that range.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_03: But if that doesn't work, then you have to go well, and if you go into hyper.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Go with it, then we usually just decrease your dose on your thyroid.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, because it gets you back up.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's only if your like your thyroid's removed like because of cancers or because of other trauma or whatever.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, or if yeah, maybe usually that's when you have to supplement with with treatment, or if you have radioactive iodine treatment.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: So the cancers, if they remove your thyroid because of cancer, sometimes they do radioactive iodine for surrounding tissues to make sure that it's not spreading, and then you'll have to just supplement for the rest of your life.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Important note, nodules are more common as we age.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: So a physical exam of your thyroid is very important, especially women who are more at risk of all this stuff.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: But increase in nodules can increase your risk of cancer.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Thyroid cancer.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: So nodules are taken really seriously.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: I know there's people with nodules that get like ultrasounds once a year, once every two years, just to make sure that they're not changing.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what imaging is mostly looking for.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's you we know you have it, we want to make sure it's not changing.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: So they do imaging and blood work to make sure that everything's staying the same.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: Any changes can be a warning sign.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: Preventing thyroid disorder.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Good luck.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: You can't.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Unless it's a deficiency or an excess of iodine.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: The other risk factors are like your family history, being female, your age, um, and autoimmune diseases.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: So you can't you can't control those things.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: So sorry.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry if you do have it, but you need to be treated.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: Promising though, there is a lot of of studies, and this is why I relate back to perimenopause too.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of research happening on perimenopausal, menopause, postmenopausal women.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: Finally, it's because of this podcast.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: The world was like, you know what?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: We don't have enough research, so let's do it.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um but the a couple years ago there was a big push.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: People were just like, okay, I'm just gonna increase my syntroid dose because if I can induce hyperthyroid, then I can lose weight.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: This was pre-GLP one, I think, because now there's like actual things, but never do that, okay?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: With any medication, maybe.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: Hyperthyroid as a state can cause weight loss, yes.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: But it can also cause atrial fibrillation or irregular heart rate.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: It can cause heart failure, it can cause an increase in osteoporosis, it can cause yeah, cardiovascular disease risks are really high.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: So don't do that.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: Don't do that, because there's other risks associated with it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: I know weight loss can be so important to some people, but it's not it's not worth it.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not significant enough that it would even like it's not like you're gonna lose a hundred pounds if you're gonna do a couple kilos if that, and it's because it you put your body in like fight or flight, it's like you're just buzzing.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so don't do that.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, increase in uh fracture risk or bone mineral density.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: So back to osteoporosis and the importance of calcium-rich diet and strength training and weight-bearing exercise and all that.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: And being born a male it's gonna minimize.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just try to be born male.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's fine.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: It'll help you out a lot in this, yeah, in this world.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: There's actually links too that there are hyperthyroid actually may increase breast cancer risk in postmenopausal women, but that's coming.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: So there is a link to estrogen for sure.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's all I want to go over because we're you're it's your time.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's your time.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_03: But the biotin.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: The biotin thing is very interesting because that's something nobody would fucking think about.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: Tons of people take it.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_03: Tons of people take it, yeah.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: Because of their dry, brittle skin and hair.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and as a public service announcement, as a pharmacist, when they ask you, is there any other medication to take, include your supplements, your vitamins, your meter solids.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because though they count, there's drug interactions with them, and they're they're important to know.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_03: Encine.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: Encine.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: So enter stage left.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh turkey tail gobble gobble.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so turkey tail.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_03: When I told Laura I was gonna talk about turkey tail, she's like, oh, okay.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: So when you're like hunting turkeys, that's like the remnants of the turkey.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, how can you talk about turkey tail for 10 minutes?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: I said, no, it's a fucking mushroom.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Neither did mom.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: I asked her this morning if she knew what turkey tail was.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, actually, I may have no dad probably knew just because we we go we go mushroom hunting, me and my dad.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so turkey tail is a type of mushroom.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna start this by saying that we had a request for mush, like going over mushrooms.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of them.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: Because of cousin Jen.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, cousin Jen.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: I'll start this by saying that every mushroom out there is edible once.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: Every single one of them you can eat at least one time.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: Some you will not get the chance to eat a second time because they're super poisonous.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: But the ones that I'm gonna talk about are the ones that I see.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: They're the ones that are very easy to identify.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: My three-year-old identifies turkey tail and it's the cutest fucking thing you'll ever see.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: He identifies all these things, they're so cute.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but all the ones I'm gonna go over are ones that are easy to identify, um, that are safe, obviously, that I use for some reason.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, those are the ones I'm gonna go over because I know a lot about them.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I use them myself.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: So turkey tail, if you think of a toadstool, like a typical mushroom, like that you'd buy at the store that you see growing on your grass.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: That you kick for fun.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: That you that you kick or hit with a stick when you're four, like my son does.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um 41.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: Or 41, whatever, when they stick to the mushrooms to kick them.
• 27:34
  unknown: Yeah.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: He's really quick.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um so they're like toadstool mushrooms.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's a typical, like if you think a toad from Mario World, Mario Kart, that's a that's a mushroom, right?
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: These ones are poly pour mushrooms, and all that means is that they have a whole bunch of pores on the bottom of them instead of like the gills, like the little slats that most most um mushrooms have.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, they just they're a type of mushroom, but they're just not, they don't look like the typical toads.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: Are they on the ground?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: They are on nope, they grow on dead things.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: They grow on actually they can grow on live like dead parts of live trees, but mostly they grow on dead hardwood trees.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: In the forest.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you'll see them everywhere.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: If you uh Google what a turkey tail looks like, because Yeah, okay.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: Now I know which ones you mean.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: The ones on the side of the tree that's yeah, exactly.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: So if you if you think about a circle, cut it in half and stick it to the side of the tree.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's kind of what they look like.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: They're kind of um when they grow, they grow kind of in layers and they look like a turkey tail.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I apparently I watch hunting shows and stuff, and I know what a turkey tail looks like.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: Apparently, that's not common knowledge what a turkey tail actually looks like.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: But it's like concentric rings, half rings, I guess, of of color.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: They're really pretty and they're really cool to see in in the woods.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: They're not edible, they're not toxic, but they're not edible just because the of the consistency of them.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: They're rubbery, you wouldn't throw them in a stir-fry.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's something that you would um, I'll talk about in a minute how you would use them and for what reasons.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: But you can do like teas and and powders and stuff like that.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: But I'll get into that in a minute.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: When you see them in a forest, I say for, we say woods, but it's in the forest, they are there to decompose dead matter, like dead plant matter.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: They they grow on these trees, that's their purpose.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_03: They recycle the nutrients in the old wood and make it so that it can be used again in in nature.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: Medicinally, there's a lot of of very promising stuff actually.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh there's a big mushroom kick right now.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of like mushroom coffee, mushroom supplements, blah, blah, blah.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: That's great.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: Chaga's a mushroom, right?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: Chaga's a mushroom.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: Chaga will be next week, maybe, because chaga is my so sourdough is the um gateway.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: Is the gateway drug into homesteading?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: Chaga, I think, is the gateway, or chanterelles into mushroom.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: Chanterell.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: Into being a fun guy.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so they have different properties in them.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: They have polysaccharides, which which can um act as prebiotics.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: Prebiotics are the things that feed probiotics, which help to support your gut biome.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: We talked about it last week that your was it last week or the week before?
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even remember.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: That your gut has a constipation.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was constipation.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: Your gut has its own brain.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: It is very important to support your gut health.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: So this is something that could help you with that.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they are they can be an immunostimulant because of the polysaccharopeptides that they have.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know or care what that means, but big kick for peptides right now, though, too.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: Peptides are a huge, yeah.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: I've listened to some podcasts actually recently on peptides.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: But it's great for your immune system.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like in your immune system is your defense system of your body, it helps you stay well, essentially.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: So that could be the reason why um somebody would take it, somebody would have a tea or the um other ways that I'm gonna talk about.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: Dad's in.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: Dad dad loves the money.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, he does.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: He loves anything I can put in a capsule.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: God love him.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: I will.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: Beet beet powder.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: He's all all about it.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um the biggest thing though is that it is currently being used as an adjuvant for cancer treatment um in Japan.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: So it has anti-tumor properties.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: It is used.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, I read another, I read a couple studies.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: One says that you have your primary treatment, whether it be your radiation, your chemo, and then a large dose of this turkey tail extract is used afterwards to kind of keep the the tumor or the cancer from regrowing, which is really cool because the the normal um normal amount per day that's like I don't know, safe to to take is one to three grams.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: They're using like nine grams.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: So they're using a big dose of it to to help with that.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_03: And apparently it's a very promising, like this is actual studies that were done.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's so a lot of these things, because you can get them in your backyard, because you can go in the woods and and get them, there's not a lot of studies done on them because big pharma doesn't make money essentially when these things are are popularized.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not shitting on big pharma.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: I had an SSRI with my breakfast this morning like everyone else.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: Me too, me do.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I'm not it is what it is, but there this this um natural medicinal stuff does have a part that like it plays a role in our in our healthcare and that kind of stuff.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: But so does Big Pharma.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um so that's all I'm gonna say about that so we don't get canceled.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, but yeah, so when you're harvesting any kind of mushroom, anything from from the woods, you want to harvest it in an area that's that's wild, quote unquote wild.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: So that is away from highways, away from major roadways, um construction sites, construction sites down, even downwind from like or downriver from a farm, mine, stuff like that.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: Because mushrooms in particular are fucking sponges.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: They absorb everything, everything from the air.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: So if you have if you have a mushroom that you 100% know you would bet your life that it's this type of mushroom and it's safe to eat and you're gonna harvest it, that's great.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: If it's located in an area that has a high pollution rate, like if it's in the middle of a major highway, that mushroom could be toxic just because of where it is.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: So it could be a safe, a safe mushroom too, whether it be eat or have a tea or whatever, but just because of where it is located.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_03: So that is actually really important when you're harvesting.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_03: And when you're harvesting anything from the wild, always leave a third of it behind so it can regenerate and you can either come back for more or let other people have fun looking forward in the woods too, because it's my probably my favorite pastimes.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like a liver and come back.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like a starfish, like a lizard's tail.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Turkey tail.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: Lizard tail.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: Turkey tail slash lizard tail.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the other big thing to talk about is do not take supplements before talking to your doctor.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it's nice to have things that are, oh, it's good great for my immune system.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's great.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_03: But it could interact with other medications.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like Laura said, when you you're asked about your meds, always say your supplements as well.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's just something to look into.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: She had there's a what is it?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh um Natural Medicine database.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's a database.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: So even if they don't know in particular, if you went in and talked to your pharmacist and they're like, I've and maybe they think turkey tail is the remnants of a dead turkey, but you educate them that it's a mushroom, they can look it up on this database and they can actually see like research that's been done, any interactions.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: I think blood thinners might be one on this, actually.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_03: If you're on blood thinner, it's something to like look into further.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Always a blood thinner.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's always a blood thinner.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's always a fucking blood thinner.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: If you're on a blood thinner, check everything, check everything, and that's fine.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: And and just check it, check it out.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_03: So check check with your doctor, pharmacist, nurse practitioner, whoever um you see would be a good place to start.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: Pharmacist, I always just lean towards my pharmacist because she's right next door.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I have her own speed dial.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: So, what do you do with this turkey tail when you harvest it?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: So you can make a tea from it.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody knows how to make a tea.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: You take dried shit and put it in.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: So you take it off the tree, you dehydrate it.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you would dehydrate it, and then once it's dehydrated, usually you would crush it up.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like for a tea, I'd I'd crush it up kind of coarse, like a coarse, um, not like a powder.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: So it would be kind of coarse, put it in whatever.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I have tea um stuff that I use, like a tea, what's that called?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: Tea ball.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like a tea ball.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like those tea bagging.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_03: We're big fans of tea bagging.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, so that's taking the dried stuff, putting hot water in it.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas there's a something called a decoction, which is actually putting that dried stuff in simmering water for anywhere from half hour to two hours to like draw the good stuff out of it.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: That makes it a little more concentrated, obviously.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas a tea is just kind of a you'd get more of a benefit, I would say, from a decoction, just because it's it's taking more out of it, it's taking the time to actually get the stuff out of it.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_03: There's something called a double extraction, which I would probably lean towards if you were using this for like an immunostimulant, for example.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: I think this is what they do in the cancer treatments.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_03: They have like a pharmaceutical like um thing that does like hot whatever.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_03: But this one here is you soak your dried stuff in vodka.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_03: You soak your dried mushrooms in vodka, let it sit for weeks and weeks and weeks.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: Take that vodka um and put it to the side.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: Take the mushrooms and put it, like simmer them in water for a little bit and mix those two liquids together, the vodka and the water.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: That gives you a double extraction because there's certain things that come out from water and there's certain things that the things that the vodka pulls out of it.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: So that's a double extraction.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_03: The other thing is just to dry it up and put it in a capsule and put it in your body.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I do with everything.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_03: I love I love a good powder.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: Love a good, love a good powder.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: But you could probably, instead of harvesting from the trees, yeah, you could probably get it at like natural food stores, right?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely, yeah.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of there's a lot of um supplements, there's a lot of mushroom specific supplements out there too.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: But just a thing about supplements.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I there's a lot of supplement stores, but just to know that you do not have to have a degree in anything to work there.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: So just, and then I'm not saying that the things that they're telling um people are not right and not correct, but if you're gonna take a supplement from a say a natural store, there's nothing wrong with that.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: I just want you to do your own research.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe everything they're saying to you is true, but they do not have to have any kind of certificate to to work there.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: So I just want to make that very clear that you should check with a practitioner.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_03: There are herbalists out there, they're probably not working at your local natural food store.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: But you have overheard incorrect information at a natural food store.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: So uh, yeah, so I'm obviously I'm a diabetic educator.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I heard somebody who worked at the store um say to a guy things that just were not true and were not accurate, and I was like, ethically, I'm gonna walk away.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if I should say anything right now, but just do your own research and talk to your talk to your providers because that's very important.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: In scene mushrooms, yeah, yeah.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: Love a mushroom.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: I love a good mushroom.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Love a mushroom.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's for today.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: Turkey tail is a mushroom.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: Is a mushroom.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: Who to thunk it?
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's turkey tail.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_03: That was me.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: That was me and mom, not me.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_03: And mom.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: Laura had a really pretty dress.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: I did.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: So she got good evening wear.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, we're over it.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: On that, on that note, this is it for today.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: We'll be back next week with something.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: Something we didn't figure it out yet, but we'll someday we'll have a list of stuff to go, but I have a list we just want by this week.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: We like to go.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: Until then, get your poise pads and love your life.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for joining us on Health and Homestead.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_03: This podcast is a labor of love and healing for us in more ways than love for us.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_03: Until next time, take care of yourself, depend what matters, and keep going.