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What a Twist! · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, entertainme right now ♪
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  - Welcome back, Junkies.
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  We are here once again for another episode
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  of the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
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  I'm here with the lovely, the beautiful,
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  Shana, turn it in.
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  I love it when she says it like that.
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  - What's your name now?
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  - I'm Olivia Rodi, and I'm, yeah.
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  - Yeah, you are?
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  - Yeah.
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  You know that, like not too much of my girl sound,
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  where she's like, yeah.
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  - I don't, but I like it.
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  - That's how it felt in that moment.
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  - I love your new hair, by the way.
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  - Thank you.
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  If you are on YouTube watching this, I got a haircut.
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  - Yeah, I love this bang.
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  - I bang, but don't worry, everything is a-okay.
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  In my life, we are--
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  - Are you going through any mental stuff?
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  - No, break down.
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  - No, no.
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  - For once, I think not.
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  - You didn't cut them yourself.
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  You had them professionally done.
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  - Yes.
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  - I think that points to mental health.
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  - No, after seventh grade, when I cut my own bangs,
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  I think it's like your bangs.
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  And not the cut for me.
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  We'll say that.
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  I did it myself.
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  We learned a lot of lessons.
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  And that was--
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  - It's a lapse along the way.
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  - You know, professionals are professionals
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  for a very good reason.
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  - I cut my own bangs, but if I have had bangs
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  for like a solid 35 years.
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  - Okay.
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  - So I got it down.
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  - Yeah, I got it down.
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  - Now it's just like, and keeping it--
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  - Yeah, literally, it's just a straight line
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  across my forehead.
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  Like no one's gonna mess that up.
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  - I got fully one day of like, you know, like, you know,
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  like, shaking.
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  - Oh, God.
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  - I cut them too short before and then I just go,
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  "Oh, God, I really don't care anymore."
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  - It's the micro bangs.
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  - It's the micro bangs.
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  - The micro bangs are working in your favor, though.
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  - I think trend right now.
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  - That is true.
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  I mean, there would be a point in my life
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  where that would have made me break into tears.
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  And I just like, myself in the mirror and I go,
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  "Hat to the list."
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  It's fine.
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  - I don't care.
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  - Eging is beautiful.
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  - Eging is so great for it.
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  - Literally, I just don't give a fuck.
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  I don't care.
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  - She says we know she's so good.
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  Saying the most cruel thing to herself in the world.
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  I love it.
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  It's great.
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  - I am very confident.
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  I think I'm beautiful.
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  - Yes.
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  - If I ever have a massive zither cut my bangs too short,
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  I go, "What's the worst that could happen?
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  I don't care."
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  - I think I hear you impress.
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  - I love it.
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  - I love it.
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  - I work from home.
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  My husband thinks I'm cute.
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  Love you, I think I'm cute.
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  - I don't care.
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  - That's true too.
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  - I think you are all of the above.
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  - And you know, in last week's episode,
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  we talked briefly about M Night Shyamalan.
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  - Shyamalan.
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  - And I really cannot say his last name.
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  So I do just call him that.
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  - Shyamalan.
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  - And his kind of career defining obsession
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  with plot twists.
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  - Shyamalan twist?
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  - Yeah, the Shyamalan twist.
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  And I'm kind of left us as we are leaving that episode,
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  wondering what makes a good plot twist?
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  Like what makes or breaks a plot twist?
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  And Shyamalan, I'm curious,
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  in your mind, what makes a good plot twist?
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  - Okay, so I think a good plot twist is twofold.
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  A legitimate twist.
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  Where at the end, you don't see it coming
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  and it leaves your jaw open, you're shocked.
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  But at the same point, it has to be a twist
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  that makes sense in the film
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  and doesn't change the tone of the movie.
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  - Okay.
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  - So we'll have some examples of like good plot twists
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  and bad plot twists throughout.
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  - Mostly movies, but some TV shows too.
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  And I think that if you're watching one movie
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  and all of a sudden a twist comes in,
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  it kind of changes the entire plot
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  or it feels like something was tacked on and it rushed,
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  then I think it's a bad twist.
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  Like a twist for a twist, say.
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  - Exactly, like you can tell that the writer wasn't like,
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  okay, and then this happens, it's gonna be great,
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  it's gonna be crazy.
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  They were just like, yeah, how do we end it?
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  I don't know, do something weird.
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  Like kind of like pretty little wires.
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  Did you watch that show?
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  - I did not, but okay, who was the writer the whole time?
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  - Oh no, I'm thinking of Gossip Girl.
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  (laughing)
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  - I was like, you were close.
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  Is there like a plot master in pretty little wires though?
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  - Okay, so I was kind of running the behind show.
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  - Oh, I think you're like, who was Gossip Girl?
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  - I'm gonna have like millions of YouTube video essays
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  breaking this down for you, but essentially I'm like,
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  pretty little liar.
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  - Oh, we're gonna be talking about spoilers
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  for popular media by the way.
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  We're just throwing that out there.
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  - Yeah.
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  - A lot of it will be things that can't be--
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  - That are very old.
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  - That are older, so we're not gonna say any twist
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  of movies that have been out like two weeks ago
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  and just fuck it up for everyone.
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  - So just disclaimer.
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  - Yes, and so pretty little wires,
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  sums up these four girls who knew this teenager
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  who ends up dead, right?
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  And all of a sudden they start getting anonymous texts
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  from this person named A.
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  - Oh, okay.
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  - And so the through line of the show is who is A.
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  - Okay, I knew there was like a mysterious character
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  who is gossip girl who is A.
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  - Yes, yeah, I guess that through line makes sense
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  and how you saw them together.
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  I forgive you now.
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  - Thank you, thank you.
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  - You're welcome.
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  - And so there's like a million A's.
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  They were just going with it and they did like one
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  of those classic tropes, which I kind of think
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  like Game of Thrones writers, Fel victim too,
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  is they wanted to go for the most shocking thing,
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  but ultimately-- - Not necessarily
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  that made the most sense.
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  - Ultimately created like a plot hole
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  or went against something that is like canon.
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  - Okay, I know.
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  - That's kind of the way that I look at it.
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  - I agree, it's like if there's something
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  that has been building it for years,
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  especially it's hard for a twist in a TV show sometimes
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  because it's like audiences have been with these characters
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  for so many years that you want a satisfying conclusion
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  and you want a good ending for these characters
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  that you've gotten to know for years.
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  Whereas a movie you get to know some characters
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  for what two hours and then if there's a twist,
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  you just leave the theater and you're like,
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  "Oh shit, that was sick."
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  - Yeah, you-- - But if it's like spoiler
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  and how I met your mother, Ted's wife is dead
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  the whole time.
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  - I imagine he's telling his kids the story.
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  How we met their dead mom?
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  - That sucked.
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  - Yeah. - That was a bad twist.
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  - Yeah. - Because for years,
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  like we've established that Robin and Ted
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  are obviously into each other,
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  but probably not the best couple.
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  She marries Barney in like the second to last episode
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  of the entire series.
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  And the finale just undoes all of that.
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  And then it's like, "Oh, your mom's dead,
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  "I'm gonna go with Aunt Robin now."
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  And fans were pissed, right?
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  - Oh wow, yeah.
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  - Yeah. - But yeah, I was never
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  on how I met your mother, God.
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  - Oh man, I love that show.
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  - I think what's the actor's name,
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  the main guy in it?
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  - Ted, the guy who plays Ted Moe's video.
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  - Yeah, I remember the actor's name.
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  - He really liked him as an actor.
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  - Really punchable face.
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  - Really, really punchable face.
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  - Oh my God.
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  - Ted Moe's, we just kind of a punchable character.
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  - Yeah.
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  In hindsight, so is Barney Stinson.
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  It's like at the time we all thought he was so funny.
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  And now you look back and you're like,
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  "Well, this guy's a borderline fucking ripist."
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  - Yeah, I got like, "This guy's creepy as hell."
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  Didn't age too well.
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  - He was the naturel on the slightest.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah, that was a terrible twist.
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  And it's like Dexter becomes a lumberjack in the end.
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  Everyone was pissed.
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  It's like Danny, I don't know if those were twists
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  but it's things that were kind of like disappointing endings.
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  I think like, I don't know.
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  Let's talk a good movie twist.
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  What do you think makes a good twist?
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  And like what movies do you think have great plot twists?
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  - Yeah, so I think a lot of good twists in my mind
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  are things that you saw like very faint
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  or are little cues that they were like ultimately
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  the main twist or you could see it within the story.
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  - Yeah, like you even cut it on your first viewing.
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  - But then after the twist comes you go,
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  oh my god, I wanna watch that again
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  so I can catch all the little Easter eggs.
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  - Yeah, where you're like, "Oh, I should have seen it."
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  I also really love the twist where you initially suspect someone
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  but then you kind of clear the amount of the story
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  but then they end up being really the bad guy.
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  - Yeah, you're like, "How's it trusted my guy?"
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  - Yeah, right, exactly.
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  So I think a lot of the time,
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  you give the audience the opportunity
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  to figure it out ahead of time
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  but it's still unique enough or not.
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  So straightforward that like everybody guesses it
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  within the first.
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  Like, and I think the sweet spot is like,
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  if people start getting it like one to five minutes before
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  you're like, "Oh, okay, that's like the right area."
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  - I agree, it's like when people start figuring out
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  you put on your list of bad twists,
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  - Smollignit.
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  - Which I like.
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  - But I figured that out.
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  I was like, "It's a parasitic twin."
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  - It's parasitic twin.
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  - Oh yeah.
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  - Because it's like the fuck is a parasitic twin.
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  - Yeah, but you said you figured that out
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  on the first like two seconds of the movie.
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  I also have talked about this on the podcast
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  that I have this weird obsession with parasitic twins.
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  If anyone has a parasitic twin,
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  - It is weird.
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  - Please tell me all about it.
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  I wanna know, I wanna meet your parasitic twin.
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  - It is weird.
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  - I don't know.
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  - We can, I liked that movie, but the twist is a little jar.
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  - A parasitic twin isn't weird.
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  Your obsession with it is a little weird.
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  - I know.
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  - But no, I put that as a bad twist.
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  - I also really like a plot twist with an unreliable narrator.
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  And so like a lot of those stories have to occur
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  within the first person.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So like a really great example of that
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  is gonna be like a fight club.
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  - Oh yeah.
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  - Or like a memento.
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  And within a fight club, like you are seeing it through
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  his eyes and he's never named.
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  You just know Brad Pitt, who is Tyler Dirtin,
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  but you never know Edward Norton's character name.
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  - I didn't get that one spoiled for me
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  and I didn't see it until years after it came out.
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  - I was shook.
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  - I was like, oh I love Chuck Palinock.
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  - Oh it was great.
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  - And I actually have a signed book of his.
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  It's not fight club, but.
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  So I really like a twist like that.
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  I think where it's first person,
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  Shutter Island I guess is another one.
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  - Yeah, that one shook me too.
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  - Where I, well I guess it doesn't really fall
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  into the first person narrative,
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  but you are kind of bought.
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  - Would you say, would you agree goes in the first person?
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  - I think well you are watching this movie
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  and you come to trust,
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  I don't remember Leonardo Capriot's character name.
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  But you're seeing you the movie through his eyes.
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  You're trusting him.
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  You're like, oh he's our main character.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And at the end you're like, oh.
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  - He's been crazy this whole time.
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  - Oh yeah.
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  - And it's one of those things where at the end
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  you're like, okay now I need to rewatch that movie
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  to see if there's any little hints.
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  Throughout, it's like the most famous twist of all time,
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  probably is six cents, right?
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  - Yeah.
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  - And it's like upon rewatch you get to see those little hints
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  of like no one actually talks to Bruce Willis, right?
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  Like no one kind of talks around him,
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  but you don't realize that on your first watch.
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  And then you have to rewatch it and be like, okay,
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  I got this.
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  - Yeah, it is like the part of a good twist
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  is you kind of immediately want to rewatch the movie.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  - I think that is a great way to be like,
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  oh what does that mean?
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  Like I've definitely gone and like,
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  so one, one movie that I think like kind of tried
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  to have all these twists and turns,
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  but ultimately like left the audience so confused
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  that it didn't land, because you do risk running
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  into that territory as mother with Jennifer Lawrence.
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  I've never seen it, I've read plots and obses.
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  - Yeah, you've got the plots and obses on it.
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  - I've got the plots and obses on it.
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  - So confused on what do you mean?
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  And so, what do you mean?
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  Yeah, what do you mean?
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  - And so ultimately I think it goes back to that argument
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  of are you just trying to twist a twist?
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  Or is it like ultimately like kind of serving the--
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  - Serving the overall story.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I think one of my least favorite twists
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  and we talked about this earlier
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  is this movie Hancock with Will Smith,
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  where I remember the first half of that movie
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  thinking it was so cool.
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  It's this guy who has superpowers,
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  but he's just kind of like, he got a drinking problem.
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  He doesn't really care.
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  He's like, I don't want to be a superhero.
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  I just have enough superpowers.
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  So he moves in with Jason Bateman and his wife
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  who is Charlie's Theron.
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  And I guess because he saved Jason Bateman
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  from an accident or something, I don't know.
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  Coming to find out, oh, what's a twist?
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  Charlie's Theron's a superhero too.
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  And also it's Hancock's wife from his past life.
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  And it feels like they put two different movie scripts
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  and just smushed him together.
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  - I've seen that movie, but I remember none of it.
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  - I remember watching this movie in the beginning
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  and being like, this is a great movie.
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  And then halfway through, you're like, wait, oh,
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  I'm not enjoying this anymore.
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  It's like a weird rom-comic son.
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  And like, I don't know.
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  Jason Bateman's kind of cocked like--
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  (laughing)
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  - Jason.
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  - Jason, I had a sex dream about Jason Bateman
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  like a couple days ago.
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  Oh my God, I totally forgot.
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  - You're good.
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  - Yeah, he was great.
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  - Oh, okay.
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  - Yeah, he wasn't as good as Seth Meyers, but he was good.
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  - Okay.
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  - Well, okay.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah, well, okay.
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  - But yeah, I could see how that would make sense.
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  And in your--
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  - Seth Meyers being a good lover.
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  - My sex dreams.
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  - Yeah, he's good.
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  Very attentive.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Anyway, watch the first half of Hancock
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  and then just turn it off and don't watch it.
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  - Just do not continue doing the time stamp.
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  - Do not keep stamps.
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  - You can have the last turn.
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  - I can, I'll post it on social media in the episode drops
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  because there's a very hardcore point where you're like,
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  oh, now this movie sucks.
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  And it's when the twist happens.
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  - Oh, okay.
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  So the twist like purely ruins the movie.
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  - It ruins the movie.
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  - In your mind.
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  - Yeah, absolutely.
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  I do have my favorite twist in "Sing of God of History."
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  - Which is?
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  - The Mist.
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  - Okay.
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  - It's a movie based on a Stephen King novel.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Horror movie, this Mist attacks a town, the world,
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  whatever and all these people are hiding in the grocery store.
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  And if you go onto the Mist, you're surely gonna die
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  'cause there's creatures in the Mist.
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  Okay, big spoiler for the Mist.
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  It came out so long ago.
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  3, 2, 1, here we go.
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  They get in a car at the end.
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  The main character in his surviving comrades or whatever.
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  And the car runs out of gas.
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  At this point, they're like, well, we're screwed.
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  And we're not, we don't have any food.
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  He has a gun with like four bullets in it.
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  He shoots everyone in the car dead,
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  including his own son.
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  And he doesn't have enough bullets to kill himself.
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  So he's just screaming in agony.
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  - Yeah.
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  - That what he had just done.
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  That very moment, the Army rolls in.
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  - The Army rolls in is like ready to save everyone.
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  I'm relatching that and just being like,
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  oh my God, you sit with that twist for so long
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  and you're just like Jesus Christ,
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  he has to live his whole life now,
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  going through this best twist I've seen, I think.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So the last time I watched the mist, I was in Malibu.
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  And we were staying at like this Airbnb.
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  And it was a former like Backstreet Boy,
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  like owner of the house.
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  - Oh, okay.
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  - So we're like really high in these Malibu mountains.
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  And then you Malibu and then you also yes.
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  - Okay.
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  - And so we are up there.
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  And there's a lot of mist in Malibu.
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  And I was like, you know what we should do?
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  - We should watch the mist.
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  - I tell everyone.
• 15:49
  - And I was like, why would we do that?
• 15:52
  - Why would we do that?
• 15:52
  - I sat there by myself and watched the mist.
• 15:56
  - I wouldn't watch it with you.
• 15:57
  I love that movie.
• 15:59
  I'll watch that movie by myself.
• 16:00
  - Yeah.
• 16:01
  - My watch was by myself.
• 16:01
  - It was great.
• 16:02
  - It was great.
• 16:04
  - I remember watching Cabin in the woods
• 16:06
  in a Cabin in the woods with my friends
• 16:08
  'cause we were like, we should watch this movie.
• 16:10
  - Yeah.
• 16:11
  - Which is also a movie that has a pretty good twist.
• 16:13
  Now that I think of it.
• 16:14
  - It does have a great twist.
• 16:15
  - It does have a great movie with a great twist.
• 16:17
  - Yeah, that is a good movie.
• 16:19
  - I love to show Cabin in the woods to people who are like,
• 16:22
  oh, I hate horror.
• 16:23
  Or they don't have like a respect for horror movies.
• 16:26
  - It's actually Camp Horror.
• 16:28
  - Yeah, because it's funny.
• 16:30
  It really like, it knows what it's doing.
• 16:34
  And it's kind of subverting.
• 16:35
  - It's clever, it's fun.
• 16:37
  - Traditional tropes and turning them upside down
• 16:41
  and doing all those things.
• 16:42
  - And that's a good twist when it like,
• 16:44
  fucks with like what you expect a horror movie to be.
• 16:46
  It's like, we think that this Cabin in the woods
• 16:49
  is gonna be an evil dead situation with their zombies.
• 16:51
  And like, but no, it's,
• 16:53
  it's a government corporation.
• 16:55
  - Yeah, and then to you all from dying.
• 16:56
  - Exactly.
• 16:57
  And they're all running bets about if the mermaid man
• 17:00
  is gonna come this time.
• 17:01
  Like, I love that movie.
• 17:02
  - Yeah.
• 17:03
  I really, really like that.
• 17:05
  So pro tip, if you have someone in your life
• 17:08
  who you're a horror lover and they do not love it,
• 17:11
  like your significant other partner, get them to watch that.
• 17:15
  It's a really good entry way into,
• 17:19
  hey, some can be good.
• 17:21
  And like for me, I like ghosts.
• 17:25
  I like supernatural horror.
• 17:28
  - Me too.
• 17:29
  - I'm not a big rusem.
• 17:31
  Like, it's totally me.
• 17:32
  - With its torture porn.
• 17:34
  - Like, saw, saw one is as a little too much for me.
• 17:39
  But the twist at the end, it is great.
• 17:41
  - Incredible.
• 17:42
  - I do think that I've kept up with the story of saw.
• 17:46
  I don't really like to watch it because it's so gratuitous.
• 17:49
  - Me neither.
• 17:50
  I can't do that.
• 17:51
  - But I can't do that kind of horror because it's just like,
• 17:53
  it seems so over the top and then just like,
• 17:56
  new ways to watch bodies split apart.
• 17:58
  And I'm not about that.
• 17:59
  If it's exorcisms and ghosts and demons,
• 18:02
  oh yeah, let's go.
• 18:04
  But the first saw is a little more psychological
• 18:06
  than like the subsequent ones.
• 18:08
  Where there's actually like a mind fuck plot going on
• 18:12
  and the twist at the end.
• 18:14
  - That's great.
• 18:15
  - So I think it's called CK's world.
• 18:18
  He does like timeline breakdowns.
• 18:20
  He does like full horror story like timelines and breakdowns.
• 18:25
  So I watched his and it's the entire history of saw.
• 18:30
  - That sounds interesting.
• 18:32
  - So of like Jigsaw and how he became.
• 18:35
  So like, I didn't have to watch the gross parts of it.
• 18:38
  But the story behind it and like they do have some really good plot
• 18:43
  to us of like the people who ultimately go through
• 18:47
  this torture like join in.
• 18:49
  - Why were they chosen to be part of the game?
• 18:52
  - Yeah, and then as the saws go on,
• 18:55
  they start to join in and give people these choices.
• 18:59
  It has to contribute to that larger story
• 19:02
  and make sense for the character like,
• 19:04
  why are they doing this?
• 19:06
  Especially if it's gonna be like a film franchise.
• 19:09
  Like that brings me to another one of the greatest
• 19:11
  plot twists of all time.
• 19:12
  And Olivia and I had to confirm that this was a plot twist.
• 19:15
  So in Star Wars, the original trilogy
• 19:18
  when Luke finds out that Vader is his father to us,
• 19:22
  I was born in '89, you were what, '92.
• 19:24
  - '93.
• 19:25
  - '93, Jesus Christ.
• 19:26
  So we watched Star Wars when it would already been out
• 19:31
  for a long time for the first time.
• 19:33
  And so to me, I am your father was not a twist
• 19:37
  'cause I already, it was so in bed in culture.
• 19:39
  - Not culture, but I call my dad
• 19:41
  who went to the Star Wars movies and saw them in theater
• 19:44
  and said he stood in line for hours.
• 19:46
  And he said that everyone was shook
• 19:49
  when that line was dropped.
• 19:50
  No, I am your father, you know it to be true.
• 19:53
  He said it.
• 19:53
  - Audible gas.
• 19:54
  - Everyone was gasping and just shook.
• 19:56
  And I was like, that's a great plot twist.
• 19:59
  - Yeah.
• 19:59
  - And sometimes that's the unfortunate part
• 20:02
  of something being iconic and it can spoil it
• 20:06
  for other generation.
• 20:07
  - Yeah, like six cents was hell spoiled for me.
• 20:10
  - Yeah.
• 20:11
  - To this point, I still haven't seen that movie.
• 20:12
  I'll be honest, I've never seen it.
• 20:14
  - It's worth it.
• 20:15
  - I think it probably is.
• 20:16
  - It's worth it.
• 20:17
  - But I was so salty with my friend spoiled it for me.
• 20:20
  At my hair swimming at my house,
• 20:22
  in the fourth grade or something stupid.
• 20:24
  She's like, he said the craziest movie,
• 20:26
  Embry's Fools was Dead the Hold.
• 20:28
  - That's like the kid who wants to ruin Santa Claus for--
• 20:31
  - Oh my god.
• 20:32
  - Brother.
• 20:33
  - Yeah.
• 20:33
  Everyone's older brothers, older siblings.
• 20:36
  Like, yeah, well, Santa's not real
• 20:38
  and just really is your entire Christmas.
• 20:40
  - So my brother took it the other way
• 20:42
  and would give me coal and be like,
• 20:44
  see Santa hates you.
• 20:46
  - Santa thinks you're so bad.
• 20:48
  (laughing)
• 20:49
  - And then he was like, volunteer, I get soup kitchens
• 20:52
  in like the fourth grade.
• 20:53
  Just like, this is gonna be my year.
• 20:54
  - I mean, Santa's fight, like it'll like me.
• 20:56
  - If I'm gonna put it right,
• 20:58
  like he was, he had a better long term strategy
• 21:01
  to really add to the torment, you know.
• 21:04
  - That's a life twist.
• 21:06
  - Yeah.
• 21:06
  - When we all found out Santa's the tooth bunny,
• 21:08
  she's the tooth kidding.
• 21:09
  I'm kidding.
• 21:10
  - The tooth bunny.
• 21:11
  (laughing)
• 21:13
  - You didn't learn about the tooth bunny.
• 21:15
  You know what I'm saying?
• 21:16
  - Is that the movie teeth?
• 21:18
  - That's a great movie.
• 21:19
  That's a great movie.
• 21:20
  - Yeah.
• 21:21
  - That is a good one.
• 21:22
  - Oh man, we're gonna talk about feminist film
• 21:24
  in some future episode.
• 21:26
  - Yeah.
• 21:27
  We talked about it and good for her.
• 21:29
  - That's true.
• 21:30
  - That's true.
• 21:31
  - And get to tired trope now.
• 21:34
  Like we mentioned the sixth sense.
• 21:37
  - The dead.
• 21:38
  - The whole time trope.
• 21:39
  - Yeah, the dead, the entire time.
• 21:41
  - I'm not sure if I'm trying to.
• 21:42
  - I'm not sure if I'm trying to.
• 21:43
  - It was all a dream.
• 21:46
  - Yeah.
• 21:46
  - We hallucinated this whole thing.
• 21:49
  Like even in Twilight when they have that whole segment
• 21:52
  in the final movie, where like everyone dies.
• 21:55
  And they're not like, oh no, this was just Alice's vision.
• 21:58
  - Yeah.
• 21:58
  - Like, I mean, it's an interesting segment,
• 22:00
  but like, I don't know, it was all a dream
• 22:02
  and they were dead the whole time.
• 22:02
  - Yeah.
• 22:03
  - It's kind of like that.
• 22:04
  - I hate that it was all a dream.
• 22:05
  One movie that I do really like with that,
• 22:07
  they were dead the whole time though, is The Others.
• 22:11
  - I've seen The Others.
• 22:13
  - Okay, well I'm not gonna spoil it then.
• 22:15
  - Oh my god, yeah, don't spoil it.
• 22:16
  If it's for me, we can't spoil it.
• 22:17
  We can spoil it, we can spoil it.
• 22:18
  - We can spoil it, we can spoil it.
• 22:19
  - We can spoil it, we can spoil it.
• 22:20
  - Yeah, yeah.
• 22:21
  - For each other.
• 22:22
  - No, it's good.
• 22:22
  - But it's gotta go to it.
• 22:23
  - It's a couple of Kidmin, right?
• 22:24
  - The commercials for that, I remember being young and there's like,
• 22:29
  this little girl under this like lace like tablecloth
• 22:33
  and she's like seeing a little creepy lullaby.
• 22:37
  - Nope.
• 22:37
  - And it to this day sticks with me.
• 22:39
  - Nope.
• 22:40
  - And the twist in the end is very, very good.
• 22:43
  - Don't tell me.
• 22:44
  - And so, I'm gonna watch that.
• 22:45
  That's gonna be my Thursday movie.
• 22:47
  When I always watch movies by myself on Thursday nights,
• 22:49
  that'll be mine this week.
• 22:49
  - Yeah.
• 22:50
  - Yeah, it reminds me.
• 22:52
  It's coral but still.
• 22:54
  - I've sure I've told this story before.
• 22:56
  I was out walking Buffy and taking her to go pee.
• 22:58
  It was like starting to storm and like,
• 23:00
  "We're in a little bit and it's getting kind of windy and dark."
• 23:02
  And I see this little kid standing in the distance,
• 23:04
  like in my apartment complex grass.
• 23:07
  And he's just standing there like a creepy fucking horror movie kid.
• 23:10
  - And looks at me and goes,
• 23:12
  "You're going to die tonight."
• 23:13
  - No.
• 23:15
  Did I? I've never told you that.
• 23:17
  Oh my god, I'm just, my...
• 23:19
  Okay.
• 23:20
  (laughing)
• 23:24
  And Andrew's like, "Are you okay?"
• 23:25
  I was like, "Ahhh."
• 23:28
  - Can we like make sure all the children are all.
• 23:30
  - Little kids, like that little kid horror for tonight.
• 23:33
  - No, little kid horror for tonight.
• 23:35
  Like the orphan is a really good twist as well.
• 23:38
  - I've never seen a movie that I just know
• 23:39
  the twist through pop culture.
• 23:41
  - Yeah, the orphan has a great twist.
• 23:43
  But yeah.
• 23:44
  - And I think it was like a little kid like Damien.
• 23:47
  - It's open year day.
• 23:48
  - Yeah, you know, like I always think those are like
• 23:52
  the iconic ones that are like really old people.
• 23:56
  - Yeah.
• 23:57
  - Yeah.
• 23:58
  - No, I mean, I, okay, I'm gonna put orphan on my list too.
• 24:01
  The second orphan is very good as well.
• 24:04
  - I'm just a orphan too.
• 24:05
  - Orphan two has a great plot twist as well.
• 24:08
  - Another twist.
• 24:09
  - Yeah.
• 24:10
  - Shit, a twist within a twist.
• 24:11
  - A twist within a twist.
• 24:12
  - A twist?
• 24:13
  - Which I guess we can't talk about the plot twist
• 24:16
  of a movie without mentioning inception.
• 24:19
  - Oh my gosh, inception is so good with such a good twist.
• 24:22
  - Yeah, I totally forgot about inception.
• 24:24
  - Yeah, like a twist within a twist within a twist.
• 24:27
  - Yes, I love that.
• 24:28
  - And while when you would explain kind of the levels
• 24:33
  in the way of it, I think he did a great job on it
• 24:36
  where it just like created like almost like a tornado
• 24:41
  of how do you know what exists.
• 24:43
  - Exactly.
• 24:44
  - And like you still don't even know
• 24:45
  what the top of the end.
• 24:46
  - Yeah, I love those movies too.
• 24:48
  Where the person that you see them with,
• 24:49
  you go get like a drink or cup of coffee right after the movie
• 24:51
  and you both just sit there and like talk about it
• 24:54
  and discuss it and you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 24:57
  Did this mean this and the other person's like,
• 24:59
  no, didn't you notice this?
• 25:00
  Like I love those kinds of movies.
• 25:02
  - Yeah.
• 25:03
  - I'm just breaking it all down.
• 25:04
  That reminded me of another great twist that I liked,
• 25:07
  which is it did fall into their dead the whole time trope,
• 25:10
  but gravity with Sandra Bullock and George Clooney.
• 25:15
  - I've seen it.
• 25:17
  - Such a good movie.
• 25:19
  (laughing)
• 25:21
  For the show you cannot hear our producer,
• 25:23
  she said there's a twist.
• 25:24
  - There's a twist in that movie.
• 25:25
  Okay, so gravity, they're in space like Sandra Bullock
• 25:29
  and George Clooney are these two astronauts
• 25:31
  and Sandra Bullock is, do you mind if I spoil this?
• 25:33
  - Yeah.
• 25:34
  - So you're good.
• 25:36
  - I think I actually have seen this.
• 25:38
  Now that you're saying this face part.
• 25:39
  - I'm out to fix something on the ship
• 25:41
  and the cord becomes attached to something
• 25:43
  and she's essentially floating through space, right?
• 25:46
  - Yes, or do I know?
• 25:47
  - Or do I know?
• 25:48
  - And George Clooney's dead the whole time.
• 25:50
  She's just hallucinating talking to him.
• 25:52
  - Oh wow.
• 25:54
  - I wish I could apparently have producer wasn't she?
• 25:57
  (laughing)
• 25:59
  - That sounds like a very distant memory to me,
• 26:02
  but maybe you were, I did tell you earlier
• 26:05
  that when people say, oh, I wish I could reread
• 26:09
  that book again or like,
• 26:11
  re-remember this piece of media.
• 26:12
  I'm like, give it a couple of years and I will forget.
• 26:15
  - It's all gone.
• 26:16
  - It's just gone.
• 26:17
  - It's gonna be gone.
• 26:18
  I'm like, I don't know.
• 26:19
  - Oh my God.
• 26:20
  That also reminds me of like movies with good twists
• 26:23
  that are based on books.
• 26:24
  So I mentioned earlier that one of my old friends
• 26:27
  from high school spoiled for everyone
• 26:29
  that Snape killed Dumbledore at the movie premiere for it.
• 26:33
  - And I guess half blood friends.
• 26:34
  Is that the one that killed Dumbledore?
• 26:36
  And everyone who was in the line who had read the book
• 26:37
  was like, what a dick, we all know that.
• 26:39
  But like people, there's people who definitely write
• 26:42
  all the books who used to like the movies
• 26:44
  and they're just like, what the fuck?
• 26:46
  Like they're a real slither in that group of them.
• 26:49
  - I'm a slither in.
• 26:50
  - Well, excuse you.
• 26:52
  We're not all that.
• 26:54
  (laughing)
• 26:55
  - They fuck jacket rolling.
• 26:56
  - Yeah.
• 26:57
  - I'm a slither.
• 26:58
  - Yeah.
• 26:59
  - But that was a great twist, I think.
• 27:00
  And then you have to wait for the next book to come out
• 27:03
  to find out, okay, is Snape good or Snape bad?
• 27:05
  I remember they were like selling merch and you could choose.
• 27:08
  Like one was like, Snape is a good guy
• 27:10
  and then it was like, Snape is a bad guy
• 27:11
  and you had to wait to find out.
• 27:13
  But yeah, good book twist.
• 27:15
  You wanna know what the real worst twist of them all is?
• 27:17
  - I sure do.
• 27:18
  - JK Rowling becoming a turd.
• 27:20
  - I'm becoming a turd.
• 27:21
  - God, watch it twist.
• 27:23
  (laughing)
• 27:24
  - Yeah, she could've had it all but she blew it, man.
• 27:27
  - She fucking blew it.
• 27:28
  - Yeah.
• 27:29
  - There's also another twist.
• 27:31
  - Hmm.
• 27:31
  (laughing)
• 27:33
  - I'm actually Nicole.
• 27:34
  (laughing)
• 27:36
  - Hey.
• 27:37
  - Is that you're Nicole impression?
• 27:39
  - Hey.
• 27:40
  - You're scuby dude being the center.
• 27:42
  - I'm scuby dude.
• 27:43
  - What a guy.
• 27:43
  - You legally blonde being the scuby dude being.
• 27:46
  (laughing)
• 27:47
  - Man.
• 27:49
  - What a twist.
• 27:50
  - If you don't remember.
• 27:51
  - We love you Nicole, we miss you.
• 27:52
  - Yeah, we do.
• 27:53
  If you don't remember the legally blonde,
• 27:55
  is you told me to show up in a costume
• 27:59
  and I was came in a costume.
• 28:00
  - Okay, she the fair.
• 28:02
  I never said come in a costume.
• 28:03
  I said and I quote,
• 28:05
  where your best spooky swimwear.
• 28:06
  - The next swimwear.
• 28:07
  - The next swimwear.
• 28:08
  - The next swimwear.
• 28:08
  - The next swimwear.
• 28:09
  - It was a Halloween swim party.
• 28:11
  - I loved your costume and this Halloween,
• 28:13
  we're gonna have great costumes.
• 28:15
  - Yes.
• 28:16
  - No matter what they are.
• 28:16
  - I agree.
• 28:17
  (laughing)
• 28:20
  - The real twist is the memories we made along the way.
• 28:22
  (dramatic music)
• 28:25
  - While we could talk on and on about our favorite plot twist,
• 28:31
  I do wanna get into a little bit of some current pop culture.
• 28:36
  So what have you been obsessed with this week?
• 28:39
  - I wanna talk about a movie that I watched very recently
• 28:43
  that I really liked.
• 28:44
  - Okay.
• 28:45
  - It's called The Green Night.
• 28:46
  It came out in 2021.
• 28:48
  It stars Dev Patel.
• 28:50
  - Mm.
• 28:51
  - Bubba.
• 28:51
  - Who I love.
• 28:52
  - What a good-looking man.
• 28:53
  - He really is.
• 28:54
  - My great actor.
• 28:55
  It's a A24 pic so you know it's gonna be amazing.
• 28:58
  - I mean, it's a media-like gonna be good.
• 29:01
  - But it's really like,
• 29:03
  it's got that A24 art style where it's kind of like
• 29:07
  ominous and dark, but it's not a horror movie.
• 29:10
  It's very suspenseful, but it's based on an English folklore
• 29:15
  where it's medieval nights and Dev's character,
• 29:19
  Sir Goen wants to be a knight, but he's not very knightly.
• 29:23
  He spends most of his time having sex with his kind of
• 29:27
  brothel-employed lover.
• 29:30
  - So he drinks a lot.
• 29:32
  - Dancer dragons, why am I saying?
• 29:34
  - Yeah, but he doesn't seem like a crispy call.
• 29:37
  - He's a little crispy call.
• 29:38
  - He doesn't seem like a bad guy.
• 29:39
  He's just kind of like, yeah, I wish I was a knight,
• 29:41
  but at the same time, I like drinking and smoking
• 29:43
  and I'm drinking and I like it.
• 29:45
  - Yeah.
• 29:46
  - And then one year, Christmas,
• 29:48
  he is also the King's nephew.
• 29:50
  This knight comes in.
• 29:51
  The Green Night, who seems to kind of be like
• 29:54
  made of trees and leaves.
• 29:56
  He's one with nature and offers up a game to everybody there.
• 30:01
  And if anyone is brave enough to face him,
• 30:05
  they will get honor and riches.
• 30:06
  I will not spoil it.
• 30:08
  And of course, Sir Goen is like, I'll do it.
• 30:11
  Yeah, 'cause he wants to kind of show off how cool he is
• 30:14
  and brave he is.
• 30:15
  That's setting forth a wonderful movie with just like
• 30:19
  action and twists, honestly.
• 30:23
  - And a two-wheels.
• 30:24
  - There's twists throughout this movie
• 30:25
  that I was shook a couple times.
• 30:27
  And I remember saying out loud at one point, no.
• 30:29
  - Oh, yeah.
• 30:30
  - And I was like, okay.
• 30:31
  All right.
• 30:32
  So I'm absolutely gonna pop the Green Night.
• 30:35
  - Okay.
• 30:36
  - 2021.
• 30:37
  I don't remember where we streamed it.
• 30:38
  I think we had to pay like $3.99 a rip.
• 30:40
  - Okay.
• 30:41
  - But it was great.
• 30:42
  - Okay.
• 30:43
  - I'm compelled.
• 30:43
  I will check it out.
• 30:45
  - Absolutely.
• 30:46
  - I love it.
• 30:47
  - I watched it 24 good.
• 30:47
  - And Deft Betel is so, he's such a good character
• 30:50
  because he messes up over and over again
• 30:53
  throughout the movie where it's like all these opportunities
• 30:55
  to do the right thing, keep popping up.
• 30:57
  - Yeah.
• 30:58
  - And he's like not doing it.
• 30:59
  - Do you want to say that?
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  - And you're like, oh, come on, come on.
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  But it's a great movie.
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  - What about you, Liv?
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  - Well, I have essentially an unspoilable show to recommend
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  because it is based on Greek mythology.
• 31:14
  - Okay.
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  - So we already know what's gonna happen.
• 31:16
  - So we already know what's gonna happen.
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  - Everything that's going to happen.
• 31:18
  But it just came out on Netflix, actually.
• 31:21
  - Oh, I don't care.
• 31:21
  - It's called K-Ox.
• 31:22
  - Yes.
• 31:23
  - So it has a Jeff Goldblum as a Zeus,
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  Janet McTier as Hera, Stefan Delaene as Prometheus,
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  and just a whole host of different characters.
• 31:37
  It is so funny.
• 31:39
  It's so good.
• 31:40
  I love Jeff Goldblum.
• 31:42
  I think he's only getting hotter as he ages.
• 31:45
  - Oh, what the hell is he?
• 31:47
  - He's just like a man from Jurassic Park to, you know,
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  today, he can find a way in me.
• 31:54
  - But he plays such a good job of like the,
• 31:58
  his casusean Greek mythology is known as like this,
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  like arrogant, like power under ladies man.
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  - And this whole, yeah, who just like demands respect
• 32:08
  and is like quite petty.
• 32:09
  And I think he plays like gives the character
• 32:12
  like a lot of playfulness where you can still kind of like him,
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  but you know, he's gonna ask whole.
• 32:18
  And you know, it's just kind of like a hatching lent child,
• 32:21
  ultimately, but it's so good.
• 32:24
  I binge it all yesterday.
• 32:26
  - And that's to give it a lot.
• 32:27
  - I have 30 minutes left in the ending of it,
• 32:29
  but it's really good.
• 32:30
  And as you know, by us discussing all the books we read,
• 32:34
  we do love a mythology in this house.
• 32:37
  - Oh, absolutely.
• 32:38
  - Of course, we're gonna have to pop that one,
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  but very, very good.
• 32:41
  - I'm gonna get it a while.
• 32:42
  - I've been saying a lot of good things about it.
• 32:44
  It's chaos with a K, right?
• 32:45
  - Yeah, chaos with a K.
• 32:47
  - Love that.
• 32:48
  I'm gonna give it a try.
• 32:49
  - I also spinyly started Iron Flame speaking of reading
• 32:53
  and stuff to our reading.
• 32:55
  - To our reading fans.
• 32:56
  Oh my God, I'm only 100 pages in, but I'm so obsessed.
• 32:59
  - Yeah.
• 33:00
  - So, we're excited to hear your thoughts.
• 33:03
  - Yes, I'm Cheryl Finish, it was in the end five months.
• 33:06
  - No, dude, I got through fourth wing
• 33:08
  and like really fast, like a week or two.
• 33:11
  So I'm gonna speed through it.
• 33:13
  - Yeah, I just gotta talk shit to you.
• 33:15
  So that way you'll like read it faster.
• 33:17
  - Then I'll be guilty.
• 33:18
  - Yes, mommy.
• 33:18
  - Yeah, it's like, you know, when your coach is like really mean to you.
• 33:22
  - Yeah.
• 33:23
  - But it makes you work harder in spite of it.
• 33:25
  - It reminds me of the bear, like,
• 33:27
  - Yeah.
• 33:27
  - Carly's guy who's like, kill yourself
• 33:30
  and he's like, "Yes, chef, God!"
• 33:32
  - That's how I am with reading.
• 33:34
  - Good to know.
• 33:35
  - Good to know.
• 33:36
  - Good to know.
• 33:37
  - The literacy crews in the company.
• 33:39
  - Now it's time to reveal our plot twist.
• 33:42
  Sean and I have been dead this entire time.
• 33:45
  This entire episode, it's all been a dream.
• 33:48
  - Mmm.
• 33:49
  - We're dead.
• 33:51
  - We're dead and we're also in a dream.
• 33:54
  - Dad.
• 33:55
  - A dead dream.
• 33:56
  - A dead dream within a dream within a dream.
• 33:57
  - Within a dream within a dream.
• 33:59
  - Yes.
• 34:00
  - Just like Christopher Nolan would want it.
• 34:02
  - And even though we're dead,
• 34:06
  we still want you to find us on social media.
• 34:09
  So Sean, let the people know where they can find your gorgeous face.
• 34:14
  - We might be dead, but we're still pretty.
• 34:16
  - Yes.
• 34:16
  - I think we would say.
• 34:17
  - Yes.
• 34:18
  - You can find me, Shauna Trinidad,
• 34:19
  @shaunatrinidad on Instagram and TikTok.
• 34:23
  I always forget that I have a TikTok.
• 34:25
  It's there.
• 34:25
  - Yeah.
• 34:26
  - S-H-A-U-N-A-T-R-I-N-I-D-A-D.
• 34:30
  - And you can find me, Olivia, on Instagram,
• 34:33
  @livimariez L-I-V-I-M-A-R-I-E-Z.
• 34:38
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• 34:41
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• 34:44
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• 34:47
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• 35:25
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