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465: The Magic of Horse Medicine w/Chloe Elgar 3/5 Emotional Manifestor · Unshakeable with Human Design - A Human Design For Business Podcast

0:11
Nicole Laino: Come here to become an unshakable human and build an unshakable business according to your human design.
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Nicole Laino: I'm your host, Nicole Laino.
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Nicole Laino: Hello, and welcome to Unshakeable with Human Design.
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Nicole Laino: I'm your host, Nicole Lino, and I am so happy to be here with you.
0:27
Nicole Laino: And.
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Nicole Laino: And while I'm alone at this moment, we're not alone for this episode.
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Nicole Laino: I actually have a guest with me that I'm so excited to bring to you guys.
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Nicole Laino: Her name is Chloe Elgar.
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Nicole Laino: She has become a friend of mine.
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Nicole Laino: She lives here in Austin.
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Nicole Laino: And you may have heard me talk about the horse medicine sessions that I go for, that I've been for two at different times.
0:48
Nicole Laino: I did it on my birthday, and then I went again on the equinox.
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Nicole Laino: And it's an experience that I truly treasure.
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Nicole Laino: And I was very excited when Chloe agreed to come on the show and share about this because it is something that's difficult to talk about by myself because I think this is just an easier conversation to have with two people, and especially somebody who actually shepherds these journeys, that is actually the guide on these journeys with the horses.
1:16
Nicole Laino: So Chloe, she owns a ranch here in Austin, Texas.
1:20
Nicole Laino: It's called Three Spirit Ranch, and she has five amazing horses, and she works in collaboration with herd of horses to help people heal, to help people see themselves.
1:33
Nicole Laino: She would put it.
1:34
Nicole Laino: She says that she has an agenda, free process, and I've experienced that firsthand on this show.
1:40
Nicole Laino: I think what we appreciate and what everybody is trying to come to is come a little bit closer to ourselves.
1:45
Nicole Laino: And you've heard me talk about how it isn't about figuring yourself out.
1:49
Nicole Laino: Human design is not about figuring yourself out.
1:52
Nicole Laino: It's about deeply understanding yourself.
1:54
Nicole Laino: And that is not a mental thing.
1:56
Nicole Laino: And I think we too often get too consumed with the mental side of this.
2:01
Nicole Laino: There is putting words to it and articulating who we are and all of that stuff, especially a lot of us here on the show are business owners.
2:09
Nicole Laino: So we need to kind of put our words to our mission.
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Nicole Laino: But there is this energetic element that I know you're all here for as well, which is this.
2:20
Nicole Laino: How do I know myself more deeply?
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Nicole Laino: And that is what Chloe and herd helped me do on such a deep level.
2:29
Nicole Laino: And I do all sorts of work.
2:31
Nicole Laino: You all know that I'm deep into this human design stuff, into astrology.
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Nicole Laino: Into all of these things that help me connect and somatics and doing all of this work on my nervous system to open up my energy and sharing this all here with you.
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Nicole Laino: This is probably my favorite and most special practice.
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Nicole Laino: This is something that I will do forever.
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Nicole Laino: I will visit with horses because I truly feel both subtle and wildly impactful transformation that comes from being in their presence and from working with a hurt and from working with Chloe.
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Nicole Laino: So I'm going to read you a little bit about her bio so you can hear from more about her.
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Nicole Laino: Her name is Chloe Elgar.
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Nicole Laino: She's a psychic medium and intuitive guide who lives on her ranch outside of Austin with her magical herd of horses.
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Nicole Laino: After over a decade of working in the intuitive healing space with humans, Chloe took the leap and bought an acreage in Texas and herd of horses started to arrive.
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Nicole Laino: One by one, herd was created and the life that she always dreamt of began to unfold.
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Nicole Laino: I think Chloe is an amazing example of what a life looks like when you follow your intuition, when you trust, when you move, when things don't make sense, and you just trust that everything will arrive in the time it's meant to.
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Nicole Laino: She's a beautiful example of that.
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Nicole Laino: I hope you enjoy the episode.
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Nicole Laino: I hope you go and connect with her on Instagram.
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Nicole Laino: Her Instagram is channeled by Chloe.
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Nicole Laino: Go check her out.
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Nicole Laino: Check out the horses.
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Nicole Laino: Enjoy the episode and I will see you next time.
4:04
Nicole Laino: Hi, Chloe.
4:05
Nicole Laino: Welcome to Unshakable with Human Design.
4:07
Nicole Laino: I'm so happy that you're here.
4:09
Nicole Laino: Thank you.
4:09
Chloe Elgar: Thank you for having me.
4:10
Chloe Elgar: I always love spending time with you, so I'm excited to join you on your podcast.
4:15
Nicole Laino: I'm so happy to have you here because anybody who's been listening to the show for a while has heard me drop that I'm obsessed with horses and that I've gone for these horse medicine ceremonies, little sessions with you that I'm lucky enough that you live in my town and I can go, like on a whim and I don't have to make a big trip out of it.
4:34
Nicole Laino: And it's so interesting because when people ask me about them, like when I've talked to my family or my friends that aren't into this stuff, and I say that I'm going on a horse healing session or a horse medicine session, and they're like, what do you do?
4:49
Nicole Laino: Are you like, riding the horses?
4:51
Chloe Elgar: Are you?
4:52
Nicole Laino: And I'm like, no.
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Nicole Laino: And do you have a hard time describing what it is or how would you describe a horse medicine session?
5:01
Chloe Elgar: Yeah, I mean, I think because I've worked in the sort of mystical space for 10 plus years, it's very natural for me.
5:10
Chloe Elgar: And most people around me sort of already know the verbiage and language around the things that I do.
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Nicole Laino: So.
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Chloe Elgar: But if it's someone that has no concept of it, for me, it's like there's many different ways that you can kind of describe horse medicine.
5:25
Chloe Elgar: So, like, when I talk to people about being a psychic, I sort of.
5:28
Chloe Elgar: Who's my audience?
5:29
Chloe Elgar: Okay, I'm gonna go a little bit more science or I'll go hard.
5:32
Chloe Elgar: Mystical, right?
5:34
Chloe Elgar: So it's becoming more and more known.
5:36
Chloe Elgar: We're in the year of fire horse.
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Chloe Elgar: Like, horses are popping up everywhere.
5:39
Chloe Elgar: More people are becoming aware of the gifts of horses that reaches beyond just kind of the ability to ride them or use them as a tool for advancement or progress in society.
5:51
Chloe Elgar: And so I think that we're starting to understand the idea that horses have their heart field is really wide and expansive, and that by just being in the space of a horse and they will regulate your own heart frequency, your own heart field.
6:05
Chloe Elgar: And part of that is like, there's science behind it.
6:08
Chloe Elgar: My brain, like, does not hold on to numbers and facts.
6:12
Chloe Elgar: It just like kicks it out.
6:13
Chloe Elgar: So you can just do a quick Google search nowadays or like, look anywhere and you'll find information about it.
6:19
Chloe Elgar: But that's usually a really helpful place to start for someone that doesn't have any concept because it's like by just simply being with horses in a space where they feel relaxed and balanced in their home space.
6:33
Chloe Elgar: Like your heart, literally the frequency of your heartbeat, like your energy field, is going to become more regulated, more relaxed and more balanced.
6:41
Chloe Elgar: Which is why even someone who's like, kind of old school cowboy, I'll still say, like, when you go riding, when you get off the horse, like, how do you feel?
6:50
Chloe Elgar: And it's always like, yeah, I feel good.
6:52
Chloe Elgar: You know, I feel like relaxed or I feel like something move.
6:56
Chloe Elgar: So when we're with horses, I always say, like, it's.
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Chloe Elgar: We're entering into their field of awareness.
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Chloe Elgar: And what happens is that our own nervous system, our own auric field, our own etheric field, our own physical body starts to connect to their auric field.
7:12
Chloe Elgar: And so a lot of the time, like, my favorite thing I say this as a psychic as well, is like, nothing is happening.
7:18
Chloe Elgar: Everything is happening.
7:19
Chloe Elgar: So the more that you feel like nothing is happening, the more that probably a lot is happening because your mind is getting quiet, right?
7:28
Chloe Elgar: So it's like when you come and spend time with us.
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Chloe Elgar: Like the foundation or the setup that I'll do for people, which we did in your first session, is just like introducing people to horse language, herd language, herd dynamics, and how I live with my horses, how my horses live, and then like safety and learning how to share space with horses in a safe way.
7:52
Chloe Elgar: Where they're safe and where safe.
7:54
Chloe Elgar: Because of course, another big piece around horses is like, they are a thousand pound animals.
7:59
Chloe Elgar: They are prey animals and so they can cause damage because they move really quick because that prey drive is very strong in them.
8:10
Chloe Elgar: And they're so attuned to the environment where they live.
8:12
Chloe Elgar: And so like horse people, we know, like a horse can change really fast, like a kick can come out of nowhere or they can move.
8:20
Chloe Elgar: And when they move, that's a thousand pounds of force.
8:23
Chloe Elgar: And so learning how to like, be attuned to the space where you're in with them is also part of the medicine because, like, I find that when we share space with horses, we're just brought into that zone of awareness because we have to.
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Chloe Elgar: Right, you have to be in your physical body.
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Chloe Elgar: You have to be aware of your surroundings in order to safely be with them, to notice the changes in the field that might not be always, like, obvious.
8:49
Chloe Elgar: It could be very subtle.
8:50
Chloe Elgar: And especially when you're in a herd space.
8:51
Chloe Elgar: Like, horses are communicating with each other all the time.
8:55
Chloe Elgar: So I mean, I could talk about it for, like, there's many ways that I could share about it, but that's kind of what comes up.
8:59
Nicole Laino: I had shared with you when I first came for my first session.
9:02
Nicole Laino: I had shared with you that, like, I rode horses when I was younger.
9:06
Nicole Laino: I haven't in years, just because where I lived, I never like, found a ranch or a barn that I started riding at or anything.
9:13
Nicole Laino: And while I rode the horses there, I shared.
9:16
Nicole Laino: I just loved being there.
9:18
Nicole Laino: Like, I found myself, like, if I had free time, if I needed to concentrate on something, I was in college at the time.
9:24
Nicole Laino: If I needed to do my schoolwork or I was studying or something, I would go to the barn and I would just sit on the ground near a paddock.
9:32
Nicole Laino: And I loved positioning myself there because I was in their space where they could come to me, I could feel them.
9:40
Nicole Laino: And a lot of times they would just stand nearby and then occasionally I would get a nibble on my shoulder if I wasn't paying attention and they wanted attention.
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Nicole Laino: And I didn't know, I just knew that it brought out something in me there through this silent communication.
9:57
Nicole Laino: That was going on with us at the time.
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Nicole Laino: I don't know if I could have put words to it other than just like, I just feel at peace and myself when I'm there.
10:08
Nicole Laino: And there's nothing in my world at that time either that could give me that.
10:12
Nicole Laino: And so I picked up on it.
10:14
Nicole Laino: And when I started to follow you on Instagram and I realized you were in Austin, I feel like I called it in.
10:20
Nicole Laino: I was getting fed all this horse stuff on Instagram, and I'm seeing these people do these sessions, and I'm like, ooh, I want to, like, take a trip and do that.
10:28
Nicole Laino: And then I came across your account and I'm like, I don't have to take a trip.
10:31
Nicole Laino: I could do this, like, now.
10:34
Nicole Laino: And just the more time goes on, I realize how much is energetic and the more we can get into our energetic field and the more we can get out of our minds.
10:44
Nicole Laino: Like, that has been the whole last decade of my life is just like, how can I spend less time in my head?
10:49
Nicole Laino: How can I not be so self conscious?
10:53
Nicole Laino: How can I get the attention off of me and not even on something else, just here?
10:58
Nicole Laino: How can I just be here and be here now and be present?
11:02
Nicole Laino: So when people ask me, like, what was your session?
11:04
Nicole Laino: Like, what did you do?
11:06
Nicole Laino: And I'm like, I was just there.
11:08
Nicole Laino: Like, were all just there.
11:10
Nicole Laino: And they look at me kind of puzzled.
11:12
Nicole Laino: Especially, like, my friends that I call the straights, the ones that, like, don't do any energy stuff.
11:17
Nicole Laino: When I talk about human design, I don't really talk about it.
11:20
Nicole Laino: I'm just like, they'll ask if they want to know.
11:22
Nicole Laino: They're like, oh, you do that, like, weird stuff.
11:24
Nicole Laino: And I'm like, sure.
11:25
Nicole Laino: And I see their heads kind of turned.
11:27
Nicole Laino: They're like, so you don't do anything with the horses?
11:29
Nicole Laino: And I'm like, you do, but you don't.
11:32
Nicole Laino: I couldn't explain it to you.
11:35
Nicole Laino: It's just being there changes me or brings me home to something that I can't connect to another way that I've found.
11:45
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
11:45
Chloe Elgar: And it's interesting because each person that comes, I always say, like, the way that I work is very agenda free.
11:52
Chloe Elgar: While there's definitely a commonality, there's a theme in terms of the structure and how we maybe move through our time together.
12:00
Chloe Elgar: With the horses, it's always different because each person is different.
12:03
Chloe Elgar: And so what they bring, who they are, what's in their energy, what's in their blueprint, that really also determines kind of what may show up and how we connect the dots.
12:15
Chloe Elgar: But to me, part of the experience with horses is that they open us up, right?
12:21
Chloe Elgar: So whether it's that they help to move energy, move emotion, get us more rooted in our bodies, connect us to, like, more of our spirit, self accessing more of our higher wisdom, our consciousness.
12:35
Chloe Elgar: And the beautiful part of it is like this interesting kind of dichotomy, because when you're here and you're not doing this, like, this is my life.
12:44
Chloe Elgar: I do it all day.
12:45
Chloe Elgar: But if you're not doing this all day, every day, then it is a process because you're kind of like you're here in the moment.
12:53
Chloe Elgar: Like, when you come to be with us, you're just here.
12:55
Chloe Elgar: Like you said, you're just there, right?
12:57
Chloe Elgar: And there is that awareness of, like, where's my body?
13:01
Chloe Elgar: What's happening around me?
13:03
Chloe Elgar: What horses are here?
13:05
Chloe Elgar: And they're not familiar horses to you, so it's just not going to assume that you know what they're doing.
13:09
Chloe Elgar: And so there's that layer.
13:11
Chloe Elgar: But I always love kind of hearing about people's experiences once they leave.
13:16
Chloe Elgar: Because what I find is that oftentimes something gets opened, and then as you're driving home or once you get home and maybe when you go to bed that night, like, information starts to come through.
13:29
Chloe Elgar: And of course, like, we're all different in terms of how we're designed, so we all receive information differently.
13:34
Chloe Elgar: But that's a really interesting piece of.
13:36
Chloe Elgar: It is sometimes, like, the connection gets created and then maybe the horse has something to share with you after the fact, or their energy sort of will stay with you.
13:46
Chloe Elgar: Because for me, we all are multidimensional beings.
13:50
Chloe Elgar: I believe horses and animals don't have egos, so they don't get stuck like humans do, right?
13:59
Chloe Elgar: So they are very present in the moment, and then they are always there.
14:04
Chloe Elgar: Is that access that they have to the other parts of them, like their higher selves, higher consciousness.
14:10
Chloe Elgar: And so when we connect to them, it's like when you meet a person, you're meeting their personality, you're meeting maybe who you see physically.
14:19
Chloe Elgar: But there's more.
14:20
Chloe Elgar: There's like this human design, right?
14:21
Chloe Elgar: It's like we all have a complex blueprint like, that we transmit out to the person or the being when we connect with them.
14:28
Chloe Elgar: And horses are the same.
14:29
Chloe Elgar: So the reason why I love the term horse medicine, it's like, who they are, what their story has been, what they've experienced, what they came with becomes their medicine.
14:39
Chloe Elgar: Because oftentimes we Know in the horse equine therapy, equine medicine world that horses can be mirrors.
14:47
Chloe Elgar: Right.
14:47
Chloe Elgar: Because they're so present and such clear reflectors of energy.
14:52
Chloe Elgar: Sometimes just being here and observing the horses responding to our energy becomes a mirror for us about something that is present inside of us that we're not ready to see or that something that's happening in our life.
15:04
Chloe Elgar: Other times they can be sharing direct information.
15:08
Chloe Elgar: It can sometimes be like an actual physical experience that we have with them.
15:12
Chloe Elgar: Right.
15:13
Chloe Elgar: Whether it's like a horse.
15:15
Chloe Elgar: Your first.
15:15
Chloe Elgar: I mean, both of your visits were so different, but, like, the first one.
15:19
Nicole Laino: Yeah.
15:19
Chloe Elgar: When Frodo kind of came and brought his head when you were sitting down at the oak tree, like, that was a very physical experience.
15:27
Nicole Laino: Right.
15:27
Chloe Elgar: Where that created a physical experience from having him be physical with you, it's so layered.
15:35
Chloe Elgar: And that's kind of what I always.
15:36
Chloe Elgar: When people come to visit us, it's like, I'll kind of give you the lenses of how you can receive the information or how you can receive the experience.
15:45
Chloe Elgar: And then it's sort of like you.
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Chloe Elgar: Off you go, and we see what actually happens, what actually takes place.
15:51
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
15:51
Nicole Laino: And when I go there and in that interaction.
15:54
Nicole Laino: And then I have some other questions about, like, how you started doing this.
15:58
Nicole Laino: But you talk about Frodo coming over and having that physical connection with me at that moment.
16:03
Nicole Laino: I think it really did feel like him sort of responding to something in my energy at that moment.
16:10
Nicole Laino: Like, again, it felt like were having a conversation.
16:13
Nicole Laino: I hadn't touched any of the horses the whole time.
16:15
Nicole Laino: That was, like, at the very end of my visit.
16:17
Chloe Elgar: And.
16:17
Nicole Laino: And there wasn't at any point where I was like, why aren't they coming to me?
16:22
Nicole Laino: Should I go to them?
16:24
Nicole Laino: I really showed up there without an agenda myself.
16:26
Nicole Laino: I was like, I just want to be here and be in the space and see what happens.
16:30
Nicole Laino: And I looked it up while you were talking before.
16:32
Nicole Laino: They have five times the heart resonance as humans, so it's about 20ft from their body that you can feel the resonance of their heart.
16:43
Nicole Laino: So they don't have to be right on top of you for you to feel it.
16:46
Nicole Laino: And they actually don't even need to be in your physical auric field for you to feel them.
16:52
Nicole Laino: I always say, like, your ranch is called Three Spirit Ranch.
16:55
Nicole Laino: And when I get there, it's like, this is like Disneyland for me.
16:58
Nicole Laino: Like, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna be quiet and, like, just be around horses.
17:01
Nicole Laino: But it is the most peaceful and beautiful feeling the minute you enter the property, from the dogs to the horses to you, there is just this.
17:14
Nicole Laino: I don't want to use the word force because it's not forced at all.
17:17
Nicole Laino: But like, whatever doesn't belong in your energy kind of starts to fall away as you enter the space and you start to get comfortable there.
17:25
Nicole Laino: Like, it just starts to fall off.
17:27
Nicole Laino: And for everybody who is like me, where you're.
17:30
Nicole Laino: Sometimes you don't know exactly what it is that you're holding onto, but you know, you need to let something go.
17:37
Nicole Laino: That type of space that it's like what eclipses do.
17:40
Nicole Laino: It's like they kind of bring something up in you so you can see it.
17:44
Nicole Laino: But this is just, to me, a much gentler way than an eclipse.
17:47
Nicole Laino: Although I did come to your ranch on an eclipse, so I got both of that.
17:51
Nicole Laino: And then I came on the equinox, these big, energetic shift days.
17:55
Nicole Laino: But I wanted to ask, you grew up around horses, right?
17:58
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
17:59
Chloe Elgar: So I was obsessed with horses because I was born in Calgary, Alberta, which is like cowboy town in Canada.
18:06
Chloe Elgar: It's the home of Calgary Stampede, so it's like one of the top rodeos in North America.
18:12
Chloe Elgar: And it's big.
18:13
Chloe Elgar: Like, horses are very important there.
18:15
Chloe Elgar: It's cattle ranching town.
18:16
Chloe Elgar: And so they were in the air.
18:18
Chloe Elgar: Like, you're born, you breathe, you're like, the horses are here.
18:21
Chloe Elgar: My dad had some business friend partners who had horses, so I connected with horses like when I was two and rode them and whatnot.
18:30
Chloe Elgar: And then when we moved to Malaysia when I was five, which was a really, like a fragmenting experience for me because I felt very at home in Canada.
18:38
Chloe Elgar: But we may have still made it a priority to have horses, but it was very much not my ideal experience.
18:45
Chloe Elgar: It was more so just like equestrian riding in a barn, doing jump, like competitive jumping and that kind of thing.
18:52
Chloe Elgar: But then when I was 12, my mom, who's so intuitive, felt like we needed to have a soft landing place to go to in the summers in Canada, in Calgary.
19:03
Chloe Elgar: She just knew that would need to be anchor for us, even though my whole family are from England.
19:08
Chloe Elgar: And so she found this place that's in the foothills near Banff that was just like the perfect place because it's like amazing kind of ranch property, but you don't have to live there long term all year round, and people take care of a lot of the facilities and stuff.
19:24
Chloe Elgar: So we bought a property, a townhouse there, and we ended up getting horses.
19:28
Chloe Elgar: And so then my horse Mack, that we rescued from he's off track, thoroughbred.
19:33
Chloe Elgar: So he was like my everything from 13 until were the same age.
19:39
Chloe Elgar: So he died when were both 19.
19:41
Chloe Elgar: But every summer, I would go and just spend every single second out, and that was like.
19:46
Chloe Elgar: It was 500 acres, a 35 herd of horses.
19:50
Chloe Elgar: Like, very much just me being a wild little girl jumping on horses bareback with just a rope.
19:57
Chloe Elgar: So that really set the foundation for me of the experience that I knew lived in my heart of how I wanted to be with horses.
20:05
Chloe Elgar: And.
20:05
Chloe Elgar: And every time I'd go back to Malaysia in the year, like, it was so jolting because it was such a disconnected way of being with horses there.
20:13
Chloe Elgar: So, yeah, we're always there.
20:15
Chloe Elgar: I feel like before we moved to this property in Texas and started this, I always said that, like, horses are always there.
20:22
Chloe Elgar: Just sometimes they're a little bit behind the scenes.
20:25
Chloe Elgar: Sometimes they were just like, you gotta do your thing.
20:28
Chloe Elgar: We're gonna behind here, but we're still here waiting, kind of.
20:32
Chloe Elgar: So, yeah.
20:33
Nicole Laino: When did you figure out you were a channeler?
20:35
Nicole Laino: When did you discover that?
20:37
Chloe Elgar: So I was, like, a very psychic child, and my mom was always very spiritual.
20:44
Chloe Elgar: And I grew up with my mom.
20:46
Chloe Elgar: Like, she had Indian gurus.
20:48
Chloe Elgar: Like, she traveled around the world to go and be with her gurus.
20:51
Chloe Elgar: Like, spirituality was, like, very strong in our house, and she had, like, every single spiritual author book.
20:59
Chloe Elgar: Like, it was just like, I knew all of the peeps and used to go to, like, satsangs with my mom and stuff when I was younger and silent retreats.
21:07
Chloe Elgar: So my parents used to, like, call me a psychic child because I would always have, like, conversations with them about things that I saw and felt.
21:16
Chloe Elgar: So it was very much in my space as a kid.
21:18
Chloe Elgar: And then I had eating disorders.
21:21
Chloe Elgar: I think it all became too much.
21:22
Chloe Elgar: And there was a lot of chaos with my parents and drama, and I don't think I felt safe in the house and feeling all of the chaos and drama.
21:29
Chloe Elgar: So I ended up having pretty severe eating disorders from, like, 11 until 18.
21:35
Chloe Elgar: And that just, like, shut everything down.
21:38
Chloe Elgar: And I was like, a big rebel living in Malaysia.
21:41
Chloe Elgar: A lot of partying, a lot of, like, toeing the line of danger.
21:45
Chloe Elgar: And then when I moved back to Canada, I studied holistic nutrition, which helped me to heal a lot of that relationship with my body and kind of come back into balance with my body and with food.
21:58
Chloe Elgar: And then when I started to do that, it's like the channel started opening again, and then the synchronistic events.
22:04
Chloe Elgar: I ended up connecting with psychics and mediums that I trained with and so started to go on that path of, like, really switching or shifting fully into doing it professionally.
22:15
Chloe Elgar: So, yeah, it's like, always been there, but it's not always been easy.
22:20
Chloe Elgar: Sometimes there's been some hard movements.
22:22
Nicole Laino: Can I share something about your human.
22:23
Chloe Elgar: Design just as you were talking?
22:25
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
22:26
Nicole Laino: So you're a 35 manifestor.
22:28
Chloe Elgar: Yes.
22:29
Nicole Laino: Like, everything that you described about kind of, you know, from the time you were 11 until your 20s, like, kind of going through this very tumultuous, like, use the word rebellious, where, like, a lot of things didn't go as planned or according to the textbooks, say that you should grow up.
22:45
Nicole Laino: That's very three line stuff like that is the three that if you don't go through that as a three, if you're too afraid to mess up or get it wrong or try things and find error, you never try things and find the right thing because you're not trying.
23:01
Nicole Laino: So nothing works.
23:02
Nicole Laino: So it's almost like whenever I see somebody who has a 3 5, my husband is a 3 5.
23:07
Nicole Laino: But the 3 line especially.
23:09
Nicole Laino: But like, that 35 configuration is absolutely just sort of like, I call them innovative problem solvers.
23:16
Nicole Laino: You're innovative because it's just like, you just get in there and you just do the thing.
23:20
Nicole Laino: And in a perfect world, threes would trial and error until they become fearless because they realize that they can get through anything because they have.
23:31
Nicole Laino: And that rebellious thing of, like, people don't get me.
23:34
Nicole Laino: Sometimes threes feel judged because they are sort of tripping and falling on the stage of their life.
23:40
Nicole Laino: And people are seeing them, and they either feel the judgment.
23:43
Nicole Laino: That's the five.
23:44
Nicole Laino: The five is the projections that you're feeling.
23:47
Nicole Laino: Like maybe they are, maybe they're not.
23:49
Nicole Laino: Like, it depends on the situation.
23:50
Nicole Laino: Sometimes people are absolutely judging and making threes feel terrible for, like, living the way that they live.
23:56
Nicole Laino: And then there are other times where it's just that five line gets a projection where people are always kind of looking at you like, I thought you would have been X to me for me, or in some way.
24:09
Nicole Laino: The other thing that stood out to me from your chart, which was interesting, is you are the cross of Maya, the right angle cross of Maya.
24:16
Nicole Laino: And the cross of Maya is this.
24:18
Nicole Laino: I never tell people their purpose or anything like that.
24:20
Nicole Laino: But, like, the general theme of this purpose is that you have something to do with connecting.
24:28
Nicole Laino: And there can be a lot of teacher energy or guide kind of energy.
24:33
Nicole Laino: You're a manifester.
24:34
Nicole Laino: So it'll be probably through you, like, initiating people into things.
24:37
Nicole Laino: That's kind of what manifestors usually do.
24:40
Nicole Laino: But that Cross of Maya is very much about bridging the worlds between the seen and the unseen world.
24:47
Nicole Laino: That this connection between, like, yes, we have, like, this Maya that we live in, this illusion is what our quote, unquote, reality is.
24:56
Nicole Laino: So it's this, like, balance between what is real and what is just as real.
25:02
Nicole Laino: But we can't see it, feel it, touch it.
25:04
Nicole Laino: And there's usually something about those two things coming together for people who carry this cross.
25:09
Nicole Laino: And there's different ways millions of people have it.
25:12
Nicole Laino: Like, I studied tm, Transcendental Meditation, and Maharishi who created that, he was a.
25:19
Chloe Elgar: Cross of Maya person.
25:21
Nicole Laino: So there is this connection to, like, the mysterious, ethereal world and the physical world.
25:27
Chloe Elgar: Love that.
25:28
Chloe Elgar: Yeah, very true, very accurate.
25:30
Nicole Laino: But, like, how you find that is through, like, being a good 35 and going through that trial and error and discovering all of these things.
25:37
Nicole Laino: If you don't discover them, then the purpose never comes out.
25:40
Nicole Laino: Then the things never come out.
25:41
Nicole Laino: So I love when I hear people speak their design and kind of live it.
25:46
Nicole Laino: It's always so interesting.
25:46
Nicole Laino: It's like, oh, yeah, there it is.
25:48
Nicole Laino: There's where that could have come from.
25:50
Nicole Laino: I wanted to actually come back to a couple of things.
25:54
Nicole Laino: Can we talk about the individual horses?
25:56
Nicole Laino: Yeah.
25:57
Nicole Laino: And how do you see them as a herd?
26:01
Nicole Laino: I think it's an interesting thing.
26:02
Nicole Laino: Like, from my perspective, I had sent you a voice memo, and I was like.
26:06
Nicole Laino: I'm like, I hope she didn't misinterpret, like, my message.
26:08
Nicole Laino: But like I had said the first visit that I had, I felt so much, and it was a profound experience.
26:14
Nicole Laino: And like you said, driving home, I would tell you, like, I drive there and I drive back with absolutely no radio, nothing.
26:21
Nicole Laino: Just silence me in the car by myself.
26:24
Nicole Laino: And I get so much both on the way.
26:27
Nicole Laino: I get clear about kind of where I'm at and what's present.
26:31
Nicole Laino: And then when I leave, and I always say, like, the horses keep talking to me.
26:35
Nicole Laino: And there's still stuff coming through sometimes even stronger from some of them after I leave than when I'm there.
26:43
Nicole Laino: I told you, I'm like, dreamer keeps showing up.
26:44
Nicole Laino: He hasn't shown up in the last few days, but he's been popping in and out of my dreams, in and out of, like, my meditations.
26:52
Nicole Laino: Sometimes I'm just walking around and I get, like, this little flash, like he's playing with me or something.
26:56
Nicole Laino: It's very interesting.
26:58
Nicole Laino: But the second visit that I had, the one I had most recently just a few weeks ago, we could talk a little bit, if you're open to it, about Stevie's accident and how that's like, changed that dynamic, the power.
27:08
Nicole Laino: And I've seen you write about it on your Instagram where you're just like.
27:11
Nicole Laino: I feel the deepening of our medicine, like, through this journey.
27:15
Nicole Laino: And I think that was what I wasn't articulating, but I felt there is a force field, like a strengthening of everybody as a unit.
27:27
Nicole Laino: And not that it wasn't there before, it's just the potency of everything there, of them working together, of this.
27:36
Nicole Laino: And maybe that's a strengthening of Stevie through what she's been through, that's permeating.
27:41
Nicole Laino: Who knows why it's all happening?
27:43
Nicole Laino: Maybe you do.
27:44
Nicole Laino: But to me, I felt it before, but I felt it so deeply then.
27:48
Nicole Laino: And part of that could be me too, but there was just this connection to it.
27:52
Nicole Laino: So how do you see your herd?
27:54
Nicole Laino: Tell everybody a little bit about all the members of the herd.
27:57
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
27:58
Chloe Elgar: So for me, when people come to visit, like I always say to people, they are my horses.
28:03
Chloe Elgar: I am their guardian.
28:04
Chloe Elgar: But they're not mine.
28:06
Chloe Elgar: I don't own them from a higher perspective.
28:09
Chloe Elgar: And I don't know everything about them because I only see them through my lens.
28:14
Chloe Elgar: And while I do practice staying grounded in my own projections of them, I am human, believe it or not.
28:21
Chloe Elgar: I am also alien.
28:22
Chloe Elgar: But that's okay.
28:23
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
28:24
Chloe Elgar: So it's always interesting to hear people share because I think it's the medicine.
28:29
Chloe Elgar: It's the medicine for the person's experience.
28:31
Chloe Elgar: But it's always co creative.
28:32
Nicole Laino: Right.
28:33
Chloe Elgar: Like when people come, I say, like, this is a co creation.
28:35
Chloe Elgar: Like, I'm not, like, I am guiding you, but we're.
28:39
Chloe Elgar: All of our energies are coming together to create something.
28:43
Chloe Elgar: And each experience is different.
28:45
Chloe Elgar: Like, you came, I guess it's like maybe eight, six or eight months apart were your visit.
28:51
Chloe Elgar: Cause you came in like September.
28:53
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
28:53
Chloe Elgar: Right, so.
28:54
Chloe Elgar: And like wildly different experiences.
28:57
Chloe Elgar: So I think that in and of itself, it's like showing us that we're always going to get something different.
29:02
Chloe Elgar: I understood what you said in your voice note for sure.
29:05
Chloe Elgar: So we have five horses.
29:06
Chloe Elgar: We have Raziel, Dreamer, Stevie, Frodo and Sahara.
29:12
Chloe Elgar: And our herd started as Raziel and Stevie.
29:15
Chloe Elgar: And they both came from the Sweetmercy Rescue Ranch Rescue in Glen Rose, Texas, through Mariah, who we love and support.
29:24
Chloe Elgar: And she's just a wonderful soul who does a lot for the horse Equine World.
29:29
Chloe Elgar: And we also got Dreamer through her about eight months after.
29:34
Chloe Elgar: And then we got Frodo through her like a month after.
29:37
Chloe Elgar: And then Sahara is our mustang who came through a private adoption in July.
29:44
Chloe Elgar: So, Nicole, when you came, Sahara was pretty fresh.
29:49
Chloe Elgar: You came in September, and she just arrived late July.
29:52
Chloe Elgar: So I think that, like, for me, watching a herd, it's the same as a family.
29:58
Chloe Elgar: Like horse herds, there's constant evolution.
30:02
Chloe Elgar: Especially my herd, they're young, right?
30:05
Chloe Elgar: So, like, Raz is 6, Stevie's 5, Dreamer's 5, Frodo's like 20, and then Sahara's 9.
30:12
Chloe Elgar: Like, especially Dreamer, Raz and Stevie, they are all, like, constantly changing all the time.
30:19
Chloe Elgar: I always joke, like, I did not mean to have a young herd.
30:23
Chloe Elgar: Like, I thought Dreamer was old.
30:24
Chloe Elgar: And then he's like, I'm surprised.
30:26
Chloe Elgar: I'm three years old.
30:27
Chloe Elgar: He's like, oh, wow, you've got a chief old medicine man in there, buddy.
30:32
Chloe Elgar: So it's interesting having a young herd because they really are growing and changing kind of every day.
30:38
Chloe Elgar: And whenever they have experiences, those experiences integrate into the herd and, like, relationships change.
30:45
Chloe Elgar: It's really interesting.
30:47
Chloe Elgar: We were kind of talking off camera before we pressed record about our dogs.
30:52
Chloe Elgar: Like, if we bring another dog in, how that impacts our current dogs.
30:57
Chloe Elgar: And it really is the same kind of process with horses.
31:01
Chloe Elgar: For me personally, like, every time I have thought about bringing in a new horse, it is a very serious thing because I know that the dynamics are going to change.
31:09
Chloe Elgar: I know that the relationships are going to change.
31:12
Chloe Elgar: And it's so interesting because I feel like when we steward animals and become guardians of animals, we really get confronted with our attachments because horses, like animals, they really are much more attuned to change than we are, and they're much less attached.
31:31
Chloe Elgar: And so, for instance, like, a good example is, like, Stevie was mayor, who had an accident in December, a fencing accident, and since been recovering and has been lucky.
31:42
Chloe Elgar: But definitely it's been a long road.
31:44
Chloe Elgar: Long, expensive road and challenging.
31:47
Chloe Elgar: She was with Dreamer and Raz, and they were like, bff.
31:51
Chloe Elgar: But she's now with Frodo and Sahara because they're slower and more calm.
31:57
Chloe Elgar: And it's been four months, so.
31:59
Chloe Elgar: And I watch this all the time.
32:01
Chloe Elgar: Like, Dreamer and Stevie were really close, and Raz and Stevie were like husband and wife.
32:06
Chloe Elgar: But those relationships are different now because Stevie has lived across the fence with Frodo and Sahara.
32:13
Chloe Elgar: And so it's interesting.
32:14
Chloe Elgar: Cause, like, the herd has changed.
32:17
Chloe Elgar: And that's the interesting thing.
32:18
Chloe Elgar: It's like they're still on the same land, but things have shifted.
32:22
Chloe Elgar: And like, the energetic makeup of putting Stevie in with Frodo and Sahara and leaving Raz and Dreamer, like, it has shifted the dynamic of the herd as a collective.
32:33
Chloe Elgar: And this kind of goes into that piece around the heart field, like you said, it's five times to me.
32:39
Chloe Elgar: I feel like also this is where I brush up against science quite often because I think it's limited.
32:44
Chloe Elgar: Like, I know that's true.
32:46
Chloe Elgar: And my feeling is that it's actually bigger because when you have a herd, they expand that collectively.
32:55
Chloe Elgar: Right?
32:55
Chloe Elgar: Because even though, like, Stevie, Frodo and Sahara are together and then Raz and Dream are on the other side of the fence, that collective herd network where they are always in conversation and communication with each other expands.
33:09
Chloe Elgar: And then also, I think, like, their awareness of their home, the.
33:14
Chloe Elgar: The perimeter of their land also expands their heart field.
33:17
Chloe Elgar: So, like Dreamer, for instance, he knows the second fox or something that shouldn't be there is on the very back of our property.
33:26
Chloe Elgar: And that's like, I think you've probably seen when he's here.
33:28
Chloe Elgar: Like, he knows when something's happened.
33:30
Chloe Elgar: He's like, what's going on?
33:31
Chloe Elgar: So it's like that level of presence and awareness of their space is expanded when they have their herd to help them to feel regulated, grounded, and safe.
33:43
Chloe Elgar: But, yeah, the herd, it has definitely changed.
33:46
Chloe Elgar: I mean, they all experienced Stevie's accident, and I know that did something.
33:52
Chloe Elgar: And then also having Stevie have to leave for two months, that the horses had to through just, like, natural instinct, they have to learn how to adapt and evolve without her presence.
34:05
Chloe Elgar: It's like, imagine if you have your family all in the house and then mom leaves.
34:10
Chloe Elgar: She's not mom, but she was a very strong, feminine anchor in the herd, especially for the boys.
34:15
Chloe Elgar: And suddenly she leaves.
34:17
Chloe Elgar: It's like they had to kind of figure out how to then fill that space.
34:21
Chloe Elgar: So it has been interesting to observe.
34:24
Chloe Elgar: But, I mean, that's the other thing for me is, like, I see them every day.
34:28
Chloe Elgar: So it's fun when someone who doesn't see them every day, it's like when someone doesn't see your dog for a while and they're like, oh, they've grown.
34:35
Nicole Laino: You're like, really?
34:35
Chloe Elgar: I didn't not, you know, so it is cool to hear the reflection of what someone notices.
34:41
Chloe Elgar: And I always say, like, there's probably medicine in that for you, but it's also probably a very interesting reflection of what's actually happening in the space.
34:51
Chloe Elgar: So, yeah, maybe we could talk a.
34:53
Nicole Laino: Little bit about, like the medicine.
34:55
Nicole Laino: My hope is that everybody listening to this books some sort of horse medicine.
35:01
Nicole Laino: Like, if this is speaking to you, like, I can't imagine not doing this at least a few times a year.
35:06
Nicole Laino: Like, it resets me, but it shows me things that I can't see.
35:10
Nicole Laino: And the messages come in such different ways.
35:12
Nicole Laino: And they come in different ways from different horses in this world.
35:16
Nicole Laino: I think we're moving toward a much more energetic conversation.
35:21
Nicole Laino: Obviously, we're physical beings in a physical world.
35:24
Nicole Laino: I feel energy on social media.
35:26
Nicole Laino: I feel energy everywhere I go.
35:28
Nicole Laino: And for those of us that are sensitive, and I know that a lot of people listening to the show are sensitive people.
35:35
Nicole Laino: Those of us who recognize the energetic conversation that can help stabilize the not so great energetic conversation that maybe people are having haphazardly not realizing that's what they're putting into the field.
35:49
Nicole Laino: And it's animals, like you were saying before, that they don't have an ego.
35:53
Nicole Laino: It is funny.
35:54
Nicole Laino: I think that's probably when I was describing that stuff falls away that doesn't belong.
35:58
Nicole Laino: I feel like it's probably whatever remnants of my ego were hanging on or thinking about things.
36:04
Nicole Laino: And it does bring up because ego and mind are so closely connected.
36:08
Nicole Laino: Usually it's your ego that's making you think.
36:11
Nicole Laino: And what's going through my head when I go in there, that it's not welcome, it's just it will become so apparent to me that it's there that it's like, oh, this isn't helpful.
36:23
Nicole Laino: How can I create some space and not allow this to take over the whole energetic conversation where if I was going around my day to day life, I might notice that that was there, I might not feel it.
36:36
Nicole Laino: And both of my sessions that I've got have been wildly different.
36:39
Nicole Laino: But they each delivered me exactly what I needed in that moment.
36:45
Nicole Laino: The second one I got, obviously I had a big connection with Stevie during this last medicine journey.
36:52
Nicole Laino: And even just being in relationship and watching their dynamics and feeling how they take up the space where they're choosing to be.
37:00
Nicole Laino: And then you get messages.
37:03
Nicole Laino: There's things that the situation sort of brings up in you and then you're driving home.
37:08
Nicole Laino: One of the things that stuck out to me was how much Frodo had seemed like he's such a man now he's got the two ladies in his paddock with him and there is an assertiveness and it's not macho, but it is like, I am the gentleman of this ranch now.
37:26
Nicole Laino: Like, these are my ladies and you're welcome to stay here, but this is my land over here.
37:31
Nicole Laino: And he's still very gentle.
37:33
Nicole Laino: When I see that, it's a reflection of, well, where am I stepping into something here?
37:38
Nicole Laino: Just that line of questioning.
37:40
Nicole Laino: It's like nothing will give you more journal prompts than hanging out with a herd of horses and seeing and just reflecting on, well, what came up for me while I was there, what things surfaced living with them there.
37:54
Nicole Laino: I know you talked about, like, that these are the beings that you are with every day, but how did you feel that herd shift?
38:01
Nicole Laino: Like, the energy between everybody.
38:04
Nicole Laino: That must have felt very different for you too, being on the land when Stevie got hurt and she was temporarily, thank God, removed from the herd for that time.
38:14
Chloe Elgar: Yeah, I mean, I think that it's interesting when you live with your horses because oftentimes you're going through stuff together, and so the medicine is kind of always available.
38:26
Chloe Elgar: It's like, I always tell my husband this, like, life's crazy.
38:30
Chloe Elgar: He's been having an interesting week.
38:31
Chloe Elgar: And so he went out to see them and he was like, Sahara like, came and stepped right into my space and, like, really let me touch her.
38:38
Chloe Elgar: And she's never done that before, you know, And I could really feel what that gave him.
38:43
Chloe Elgar: And this is always the thing.
38:44
Chloe Elgar: It's like whenever we have experiences with horses, most of it is non verbal.
38:49
Chloe Elgar: And so it is so deeply personal.
38:52
Chloe Elgar: Right.
38:53
Chloe Elgar: Because part of it is that they are reading, responding to you and not the you that we spend most the time thinking about in the human world.
39:05
Chloe Elgar: So, like, they absolutely don't care what you look like.
39:08
Chloe Elgar: They don't care how you're presenting yourself.
39:11
Chloe Elgar: Right.
39:11
Chloe Elgar: They're reading your nervous system, they're smelling your hormones.
39:14
Chloe Elgar: They're responding to.
39:17
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
39:17
Chloe Elgar: Your aura, your energy, your heart rate, like, all of these things that we don't think about.
39:24
Chloe Elgar: And so I think that one of the beautiful parts about being with horses is like, that deep sense of being seen.
39:33
Chloe Elgar: And of course, sometimes being seen is not comfortable because maybe we're parts of us are being seen that we don't want to be seen or.
39:40
Chloe Elgar: And that's where it can be destabilizing or a little bit like, oh, my God.
39:45
Chloe Elgar: That definitely, for me, I think, like, having horses and going through a traumatic experience with a horse.
39:52
Chloe Elgar: Well, I mean, first of all, you still have to show up to your horses and take care of the horses that are here.
39:57
Chloe Elgar: But Sahara definitely was the one that impacted me the most because to me, Sahara's medicine is very much about authenticity.
40:05
Chloe Elgar: Being a wild horse, being born and grown up in the wild, her instincts are, like, very much there, very intact.
40:14
Chloe Elgar: And so self preservation is a really big quality that she carries.
40:20
Chloe Elgar: And I think that, like, I always feel like Sahara is just so heart centered, and so if something doesn't feel resonant to her, she won't engage with it.
40:32
Chloe Elgar: It doesn't mean that she's gonna be like, she has no mean bone in her body.
40:36
Chloe Elgar: She will just, like, not come close to it.
40:39
Chloe Elgar: She'll stay far away.
40:41
Chloe Elgar: And so it was interesting because, like, I knew that I was dysregulated during the Stevie situation, because finding Stevie in the situation that I found her in, getting her to the vet hospital, finding out that she has to stay for seven weeks, like, that totally sent me overboard.
40:59
Chloe Elgar: And Sahara was like, she just kept her distance from me.
41:03
Chloe Elgar: And sometimes with horses is like, they are truth tellers.
41:07
Chloe Elgar: They're gonna tell us the truth.
41:08
Chloe Elgar: But it's through such a purity to the transmission that it's not judgmental, which is almost like more intense, right?
41:16
Chloe Elgar: Because we know it's coming from truth.
41:19
Chloe Elgar: So for me, she's like, you're not safe right now.
41:22
Chloe Elgar: And I'm like, no, I hear you, imax.
41:24
Chloe Elgar: I agree.
41:25
Nicole Laino: Mom's having a moment right now.
41:27
Nicole Laino: I get it.
41:28
Nicole Laino: And that was what I felt from the first time that I was there.
41:31
Nicole Laino: It's very interesting that you brought up the nonjudgmental because it is vulnerable and no one's saying anything.
41:38
Nicole Laino: You're not threatened.
41:39
Nicole Laino: They're all very gentle horses and never felt unsafe there for a moment.
41:43
Nicole Laino: But it's the vulnerability that was.
41:46
Nicole Laino: I think the first visit that I had was showing me just how much of that I had, showing me just how uncomfortable I was with truly being vulnerable, truly being seen.
41:59
Nicole Laino: Because they were seeing me and they weren't saying anything, but they were saying things.
42:06
Nicole Laino: And Sahara, she was also pretty new to the ranch.
42:12
Nicole Laino: At the time that I went, she was only there, like, two months or less.
42:15
Nicole Laino: And that was a new addition.
42:17
Nicole Laino: But, like, I remember sitting there and it's so weird to explain it this way, but it was like.
42:23
Nicole Laino: It was like, what, maybe she was sending me, but also I was feeling at the same time.
42:28
Nicole Laino: I don't know if this is gonna make sense.
42:30
Nicole Laino: I'll see if I can bring it home.
42:31
Nicole Laino: But, like, I have a feeling of people.
42:36
Nicole Laino: This is a five line thing too, because I'm a five.
42:38
Nicole Laino: One that people always need Something.
42:42
Nicole Laino: And sometimes, like, I just wanna be here.
42:44
Nicole Laino: I want nobody to need anything from me.
42:46
Nicole Laino: And there was something of, like, a recognition of that from her, or she held it.
42:52
Nicole Laino: She held that mirror for me at that moment.
42:56
Nicole Laino: And I remember just releasing there, just being like.
42:59
Nicole Laino: I did a lot of, like.
43:00
Nicole Laino: Just, like, letting things go and crying a little bit on the way home and getting emotional.
43:08
Nicole Laino: And I don't know of anything else that could have brought me to all of these.
43:13
Nicole Laino: Like, it's not even realizations.
43:16
Nicole Laino: They just are.
43:17
Nicole Laino: It's things that were there that were in the way that I worked with, in a way that I don't know how to get there using other modalities.
43:27
Nicole Laino: So when you channel for the horses.
43:30
Nicole Laino: You also do channeling sessions.
43:32
Nicole Laino: You do, like, a monthly channeling session with the horses.
43:34
Nicole Laino: Can you tell everybody a little bit about that and your work in that respect?
43:40
Chloe Elgar: Sure, yeah.
43:41
Chloe Elgar: For me, connecting to.
43:42
Chloe Elgar: Whether it's a person being that's transitioned animal, it's like, all just being centered in your heart and then connect, like, understanding how you receive energy.
43:55
Chloe Elgar: And I think that we all.
43:56
Chloe Elgar: If you've heard about the.
43:57
Chloe Elgar: Claire's right.
43:58
Chloe Elgar: Clairaudience, clairvoyance, clairsentience.
44:01
Chloe Elgar: Dah, dah, dah, dah.
44:03
Chloe Elgar: It's so funny because sometimes, like, when I think about talking about this, it's just I've been doing it for so long that I have to.
44:07
Chloe Elgar: It's like if someone asked you, how do you drive?
44:09
Chloe Elgar: You're like, for me, with the horses, they each have their own gifts as well.
44:16
Chloe Elgar: Like, they have their medicine.
44:18
Chloe Elgar: And their medicine is a lot of the time, it's like who they are, how they show up, what they've experienced, and how that can transmute into healing or an offering for another being.
44:30
Chloe Elgar: But I also see that my horses, or I'll just speak to my horses, that they each have their own gifts and their own abilities and their preferences of how they like to share energy.
44:41
Chloe Elgar: Right.
44:42
Chloe Elgar: So, for instance, Dreamer is very much like we know now, thanks to Nicole, that he is a reflector in human design, which we kind of already knew, but now we know.
44:53
Chloe Elgar: But he is like my deeply sensitive horse.
44:57
Chloe Elgar: And he's young, but it feels like he's lived a lot of life for how young he is.
45:03
Chloe Elgar: And he's a medicine hat.
45:04
Chloe Elgar: So it's like there's stories that are connected to a lot of the indigenous communities and tribes where they believed that horses that had his markings.
45:13
Chloe Elgar: So the cap, the shield, and the blue eyes.
45:16
Chloe Elgar: Had extra powers and gifts and that they were horses that could see into the future.
45:21
Chloe Elgar: So they were always, like, reserved for the tribal chiefs for hunts and battles because they believed they would keep them safe.
45:28
Chloe Elgar: So he came in with that sort of specialness.
45:32
Chloe Elgar: I do feel a lot of connections between Dreamer, like, you talked about the projection piece for me, and I feel that with him, too, Because I feel like people, when they see Dreamer, People tend to be very drawn to him because he is very unique.
45:44
Chloe Elgar: He looks very unique.
45:45
Chloe Elgar: There's a quality about him that pulls you in.
45:49
Chloe Elgar: And sometimes I feel like dreamer doesn't like that attention because it doesn't always feel good in his body, because sometimes it feels too much.
45:58
Chloe Elgar: And so Dreamer, like, I think his early years, he was in a very kind of traditional cowboy setting where they used a lot of traditional cowboy methods to teach him to break him.
46:15
Chloe Elgar: And so that really messed him up, I would say.
46:19
Chloe Elgar: I think that he learned that he could either, like, shut, go into freeze, disassociated, shut down, or fight.
46:26
Chloe Elgar: And so he came to us once he sort of started to process and feel safe.
46:32
Chloe Elgar: He had a lot of behaviors that were tricky to manage.
46:36
Chloe Elgar: But he has a lot of medicine, too.
46:39
Chloe Elgar: It's interesting with dreamer because I know he likes to do stuff at distance.
46:44
Chloe Elgar: So it's funny how his name came to me the minute I met him.
46:47
Chloe Elgar: But it really.
46:48
Chloe Elgar: He stays true to his name.
46:49
Chloe Elgar: He does travel to people in their dreams when they've connected to him.
46:54
Chloe Elgar: He does do a lot of distance work.
46:57
Chloe Elgar: A lot of the times when I do distant offerings, it's collaboration with Dreamer, like, he'll bring up the idea.
47:03
Chloe Elgar: So channeling for me, I feel like dreamer and I are very similar.
47:07
Chloe Elgar: But, I mean, I. I'll do animal communication where if I have a question that I need to ask them or if there's something that I need, I want information on, I can just do animal communication.
47:17
Chloe Elgar: But if I do channeling, that's more when I'm going to go into channeled state.
47:21
Chloe Elgar: And from there, it's more so like bringing in wisdom or messages or a transmission from.
47:29
Chloe Elgar: Whether it's the herd or one of the horses individually, like, yeah, it's like their medicine is different.
47:34
Chloe Elgar: They each have different perspective.
47:36
Chloe Elgar: They bring in different information about certain situations.
47:40
Chloe Elgar: But the collective readings are always like a little bit of that.
47:44
Chloe Elgar: And then sometimes also just sharing what's happening in our world in that moment.
47:50
Chloe Elgar: Because I feel like that in and of itself, it's like there's medicine in the whole experience of just like being here, like you said, like, it's like the land.
47:59
Chloe Elgar: I feel like the work that I do here with the horses, it is very much a collaboration of the land, the horses, the dogs, myself.
48:07
Chloe Elgar: Like, it's like a whole package.
48:09
Chloe Elgar: And so that's kind of with the collective readings is you're getting a little bit of that plus like, and messages from the horses of what's to come or what's present in the space.
48:18
Chloe Elgar: But yeah, sometimes it's like I feel like it's not always easy.
48:21
Chloe Elgar: It's like I could just keep talking because it really is like, it's so multifaceted and multi layered.
48:28
Chloe Elgar: And I noticed this with particular people.
48:31
Chloe Elgar: They'll open up channels too.
48:33
Chloe Elgar: So I love when you come because you have your own gifts and your own perspective.
48:38
Chloe Elgar: And so it's always really fun.
48:39
Chloe Elgar: I just love watching energies come together and then how that even activates the space and what that brings up in the space for the horses.
48:47
Chloe Elgar: So.
48:47
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
48:48
Chloe Elgar: But I don't know if that answers your question.
48:50
Nicole Laino: It does.
48:50
Nicole Laino: I think it's.
48:51
Nicole Laino: How do you explain the unexplainable?
48:52
Nicole Laino: You know, some of the stuff that needs to be felt?
48:55
Nicole Laino: And I just wanted people to be aware that you do these things, that these horses, they have like a job and it's not a nine to five.
49:03
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
49:03
Nicole Laino: But they work and they work through you.
49:07
Nicole Laino: They know their purpose.
49:09
Nicole Laino: Yeah.
49:09
Nicole Laino: And even like contemplating the horses.
49:12
Nicole Laino: I think the same way that if someone were to contemplate goddesses or they were to contemplate and you just happen to have five very distinct, very different horses that have different medicine, different personalities, different energy, and if you put your awareness on them.
49:30
Nicole Laino: What's interesting for me is after being there, if I contemplate Dreamer, if I contemplate Raz, or if I like kind of just energetically connect with that spirit that they have, I can tap into that whenever I want.
49:44
Nicole Laino: And there's always something that comes through.
49:48
Nicole Laino: There's not a process, it just happens.
49:50
Nicole Laino: It's amazing work.
49:52
Nicole Laino: And I adore you in the herd and everything that you do there, I think is so special.
49:58
Nicole Laino: And it's such an incredible place.
50:00
Nicole Laino: How can everybody stay in touch with you and follow you and do all of the things?
50:06
Chloe Elgar: So most active on Instagram, channeled by Chloe.
50:09
Chloe Elgar: We have also our ranch page three Spirit Ranch.
50:13
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
50:14
Chloe Elgar: I have my substack where I share kind of more of the secret.
50:18
Chloe Elgar: I call it three Spirit Secrets.
50:20
Chloe Elgar: It's like more of our sort of stories that maybe I don't share everywhere else.
50:25
Chloe Elgar: Instagram is definitely my favorite place to be for sharing.
50:29
Nicole Laino: And you do share such great stuff because you really do show, like, behind the scenes.
50:32
Nicole Laino: You let us in, we get to see the animals.
50:35
Nicole Laino: It's amazing.
50:35
Nicole Laino: You get to see that you're now on a new journey with your dogs, where you have dog, you have puppies coming, which I'm excited to watch this all unfold.
50:43
Nicole Laino: But you also have merchandise.
50:45
Nicole Laino: So, like, I'm wearing my Stevie shirt.
50:47
Chloe Elgar: Right now, and you look so good.
50:49
Nicole Laino: I'm reppin.
50:50
Nicole Laino: We were discussing the T shirts need to come because Texas.
50:53
Nicole Laino: But tell everybody it's nightwing goods.
50:55
Nicole Laino: Right?
50:55
Nicole Laino: Nightwing goods dot com.
50:56
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
50:57
Nicole Laino: And they can shop there.
50:58
Nicole Laino: And then you were generous enough to give a code.
51:00
Nicole Laino: So if you use Nicole 15 at checkout, you get 15% off the shop for listening.
51:06
Chloe Elgar: Yes.
51:07
Chloe Elgar: Correct.
51:08
Chloe Elgar: Thank you.
51:08
Chloe Elgar: Yeah, I've had this shop for maybe four years.
51:12
Chloe Elgar: It's like, my best friend does all of my branding, and it's like cowgirl meets witch, which is really just me, you know, it's like a lot of witchy and a little bit of cowgirl.
51:22
Chloe Elgar: So you have kind of a good mixture of different things.
51:25
Chloe Elgar: And we do also horse medicine candles and spell candles and ritual candles and.
51:31
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
51:31
Chloe Elgar: Do you have your Stevie?
51:32
Nicole Laino: I have my Stevie candle right here.
51:35
Chloe Elgar: Nice.
51:36
Nicole Laino: Very good.
51:37
Nicole Laino: I'm all loaded up with my merch.
51:38
Nicole Laino: Lots of people make merch.
51:40
Nicole Laino: Yours is very cool, I have to say.
51:42
Nicole Laino: Like, I dig your taste.
51:43
Nicole Laino: All of the apparel and all of the pieces and everything that you do there.
51:46
Nicole Laino: The candle smells amazing, but it's another way of, like, me connecting with these horses and with what you do.
51:52
Nicole Laino: When I put the shirt on, I'm like, ooh, I'm gonna be.
51:54
Nicole Laino: I need a little Stevie energy today.
51:57
Nicole Laino: And it's the year of the horse.
51:58
Nicole Laino: Everybody should have some horse apparel this year.
52:03
Nicole Laino: That's right.
52:03
Chloe Elgar: Yeah.
52:04
Nicole Laino: Thank you so much for being here, Chloe.
52:06
Nicole Laino: I appreciate you coming on.
52:08
Chloe Elgar: No, thank you so much for having me.
52:09
Chloe Elgar: It's so great.
52:10
Chloe Elgar: I love talking to you, and we love having you every time you come.
52:14
Chloe Elgar: It's special.
52:15
Chloe Elgar: It's a gift, so.
52:16
Nicole Laino: Well, I've already told you, I'm like, I'll be back soon.
52:18
Nicole Laino: I haven't booked my date yet, but I'll be reaching out for when the next one.
52:22
Nicole Laino: Maybe it'll be the solstice, since I seem to like these dates.
52:25
Chloe Elgar: Yes.
52:26
Nicole Laino: But if you want to stay in touch with Chloe, please go follow her on Instagram.
52:29
Nicole Laino: Channeled by Chloe is her Instagram.
52:32
Nicole Laino: Follow her over there, and then you can find out all about her other offers.
52:35
Nicole Laino: And if you want to go and have a she does host retreat which are sounds super cool where you get to stay on the property in these really adorable little cabins and be on the land with the horses.
52:47
Nicole Laino: It's an amazing experience I'm sure.
52:50
Nicole Laino: But thank you guys for being here.
52:51
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52:54
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52:55
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52:59
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