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3 Guys Before The Game - Resignation Controversy (Episode 472) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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Hey there, everybody, Welcome in. It is time for three Guys Before
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the Game for the third time in four weeks on a Sunday. All right,
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episode number four hundred and seventy two. Resignation Controversy is our title,
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so we jump in here. What's that statement like, never say never?
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Raise Nowaday says never say never. I may have said on the last time
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we did a Sunday podcast, which was two weeks ago, because now this
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is the third one in four, I may have said, well, we're
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never gonna have to do another Sunday here. Finally, finally this thing has
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settled, This thing has settled down involving Mountaineer basketball. You speak a little
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prematurely and never say never, So we're obviously not ready to do this.
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I mean, it's just me and the senator here, but our boy,
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mister Hoppy Kirchival good enough to join us. He is on VAYK, but
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he is good enough to spend some time with us. Hello, sir,
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how are you? Um? Well, thank you guys. So you went
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on vacation and then suddenly, h you're once again in news gathering mode into
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your credit. I mean you're two and oh now over Pete Thamil, I
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mean not only not only are you just basically owning famil now, but I
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did see Yahoo quoted you quoted Metro News. ESPN quoted Metro News. IM
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three dot com first reported. So I think he finally got his way.
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Then you finally got your way. But obviously this is not why you wanted
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to earn your way, now I know. Okay, let's jump into this
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thing. So letter goes to WUVU from a Cleveland based attorney on Friday.
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In that letter, it says that Bob Huggins should be immediately reinstated as the
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basketball coach and that he did not officially resign as the head coach, and
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the um letter asked for reinstatement immediately. West Virginia University responded Saturday night late
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Saturday night and gave its response. So hop you can kind of pick it
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up from there and walk us through what you have, what you had,
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and where do we got here. Yeah, you can read the letters from
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Huggins's attorney and from WVU that are posted at our website ww metronews dot com,
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but in summary, and you guys will get into some of the specific
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language. Was huggins attorney says, well, he didn't actually resign. That
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it's WVU is jumping to conclusions here by suggesting you resigned based on a text
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from his wife, June, and he should be immediately reinstated. And then
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WV responded, and I think they resisted to by starting the response by saying
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really really question mark And in WVU, to its credit, goes point by
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point, addresses point by point years she's raised by huggins attorney and says,
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no, he met with the team and said he's resigning. There was communication
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between Huggins and his attorney, Rocky Gianola, to negotiate the resignation slash retirement.
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This was communicated with w VU. WVU then had correspondence with Huggins's wife,
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June, and there's a the WVU released that correspondence where there was a
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resignation in and WWU acknowledging it had received the resignation a press release issue.
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This is incredible revisionist history on the part of Bob Huggins. Just remarkable revisionist
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history, made up out of whole cloth, just made up out of whole
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court. I'm shocked they could get an attorney to make this, to make
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this kind of argument, and in doing so this is also remarkable. In
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doing so, the letter from huggins attorney says, it's just remarkable they accepted
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this letter of resignation that came from his wife June and was supposedly negotiated by
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Rocky Genola. So let's see. So Huggins now is throwing his wife under
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the bus. He's throwing Rocky Ginola, and there's no more, there's no
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person more dedicated to the University's Rocky Ginola throwing him under the bus and saying
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he should be immediately reinstated. So throwing Scott Eilert under the bus, and
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then accusing WVU of malfeasance, so throwing the athletic director, the executive staff
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at WVU, wv's attorney throwing them under the bus. This is remarkable.
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This is remarkable. It is fantastic. I don't mean that in a good
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way. It's fantastic. And it is incredibly narcissistic on the part of an
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individual who for years has purported to love the university and what he's doing here
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is dragging this out and making this and trying to make everybody else look bad
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so he can somehow, some way get his position back with university. And
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it is not going to happen. This is pathetic. It is pathetic behavior
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by a Hall of Fame coach. He should be ashamed. And obviously the
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three of us, none of the three of us are attorneys. Here is
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that the university's belief that then this case will get dismissed for some of those
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things they just said. Again, it seems there's a lot of things around
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this that would indicate Bob Huggins did in fact resign. Yeah, and you
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know, I'm not an attorney either, but I think I think what was
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significant brand is the WVU just something really smart here is they didn't they didn't
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say, well, we've received this letter, but we're not going to comment,
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or we received this letter, it's under consideration. You saw the letter
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brand they came out in point by point said no, this is what happened,
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and this is how it happened. And I thought that was pretty significant
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on the part of WVU to say to respond that quickly and that specifically to
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the allegations. That tells me that legally, WVU feels like it's on very
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very solid ground. So, based again on the legal aspect of this,
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this letter that was sent to the universe, this is not this is a
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request, is not a claim, right, but it says if this is
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not done, then there will be litigation. So where do you think this
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stands right now? Well, I mean then obviously WVU is not going to
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reinstate him. So that would suggest if Huggins's attorney follows up with the promise
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that there would be litigation, be a suit filed. You know what happens
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when you file a lawsuit is there will be discovery, there will be depositions.
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So watch out when you go there, because then individuals will be called
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in under oath to answer questions in depositions. And I'm not sure does Bob
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Huggins really want to do that? Does he really want does he want to
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go through that and if you go to a lawsuit, if you get to
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a suit where I doubt this would happen, but you go to trial or
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something or hearings, does Bob Huggins want testimony from the university or documents from
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the university about Huggins's behavior? Does Huggins want to do that? I don't
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think. So let me ask you a question in regard to the response from
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the university and Bob Fitzsimmons. The letter claims that the day before they received
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this letter, so this had to be on Thursday, that Wheeling based attorney
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Bob Fitzsimmons was in contact with wvu's legal department beginning the conversation as to the
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final dollars settlement of retirement funds for Bob Huggins. So the next day they
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get this legend say, well, actually he didn't resign. Is that a
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big that? Obviously that runs counter to the entire letter that came from the
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from the Cleveland based lawyer. Yeah, I mean Bob Fitzsimmons, who we
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know is a very good attorney, a very good attorney. He was making
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inquiries about Okay, we got to settle some issues here financially and would you
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send that, would you make that request? Would you make that request if
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the next day or very soon thereafter there was going to be a request from
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another attorney for reinstatement. That doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make sense.
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And it's interesting too that the letter calling for reinstatement did not come from Bob
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Fitzsimmons or Bill Wilmot's to Rocky Genoa. None of those attorneys who worked with
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Bob Huggins sent that letter. That came from a Cleveland attorney. So where
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do we go? What's the end of this now? Well? I think
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a couple levels. I mean one is just on the on the legal level.
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These things have a way of playing themselves out. The attorney's attorneys clean
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up all details. Number one. Number two, it is evident from WB's
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response that they're not calling. They're not going, oh my gosh, I
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guess we did something wrong. We better, I mean, WWU clearly is
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holding firm here in their decision. And by the way, let me digress
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for a second, is it Remember Bob Huggins had two options resign, retire,
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or get fired. Those were his options. Those are his options.
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So it wasn't continue coaching so I guess theoretically like, okay, we'll reinstate
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you, then we'll fire you. I mean, so so that could happen
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on another level. I don't know because I'm not talking to everybody. I
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mean, you guys might get a better sentence on sports line, but I
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mean, how many people out there who who support Bob publics or like Bob
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husbands are going to go, well, yeah, I guess you are.
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I mean that seems like like it didn't work. By it, he should
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get reinstated. I mean, I don't think. I don't I can't say
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this for certain, but Brad, I don't think there's a ground swell out
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there that says, yeah, better, you should give this job back here.
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He ushould be reinstated. Really. I mean maybe I'm wrong, but
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I don't see that ground swell out there, do you. Well? I
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think that's the excuse me. The second part of this is once you,
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once you hurdle the legal issues here and hop that was that was my question
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too. If it wasn't a resignation camp, the university just say okay,
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fine your reinstatement. Now we're firing you. I mean, maybe it comes
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down to some money or some settlement at that point, but to me,
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it seems extremely unlikely to have Bob Huggins back in the head coaching position.
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I think moving past that, I think now you're starting to get into an
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area from a Bob Huggins standpoint in university standpoint of what's the legacy and what's
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the involvement moving forward? You know, that was one of the questions that
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a lot of people had asked in the aftermath of the resignation or alleged resignation,
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that what was his involvement going to be? And I thought Wren and
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Josh Eilert spoke to that very directly and said Bob Huggins would be involved in
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this program and there would be a time to honor him. And Josh talked
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about that's one of his mentors and that's who he's learned under. So he's
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going to lean on Bob Huggins for some advice. I think the more this
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goes, or the longer this goes, the more difficult it is for the
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university to embrace that part of it. Does it not? Yeah, absolutely
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absolutely, because look it was an awkward at the very least parting of the
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ways. But as we all heard there was a window there for Huggins to
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return in some capacity. Lynn Baker talked about that and said that's and he
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was very clear not to return to his coach, but very clear to say,
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you know, at some point, you know, he's part of this
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legacy of this program and to be appropriate for him to come back and have
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a capacity with the university. But I think that was contingent upon a more
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amiable parting of the ways, maybe Huggins going to rehab or whatever that was
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going to be. But with each one of these steps that, as you
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said by that seems more and more unlikely that that would happen. Because WVU,
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I mean the top officials at WVU, whether it's Gordon g or Rob
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Alstop or Rin Baker, I mean, at some point they're like, I
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think they're so over this. I think they're so done with this, so
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done with this. And with each one of these that lane, that lane
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for a return in the capacity gets smaller and smaller. Do you have any
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feel, as too, you mentioned the many of the players at WV,
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do you have any feel where the board of Governors is sitting on this,
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they're over him, They're over him. There was there was a strong push
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on the Board of Governors to fire Bob Huggins after the radio interview incident.
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And I think that Rinn Baker and Gordon ge said, well, you know,
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a second chance, but let's have these gps have this criteria here.
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And I thought that was the right move. I didn't think you should be
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fired over those comments. I thought that what they came up with, WV
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came up with was appropriate. It was a second chance, which I think
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all of us deserve a second chance. It was Bob Huggins saying I need
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to do better. I will do better, Like okay, all right,
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we can we can move forward from this. So I think there was there
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was some convincing that was done of the Board of Governors to say, let's
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give a second chance. Now. To my understanding, there is very little,
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if any sentiment on the Board of Governors to have any sort of return
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for Bob Huggins. And I think that also there are two new members coming
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on the Board of Governors are soon and from I hear, I don't think
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you'll hear. I don't think you'll hear a lot of people going to the
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wall for Bob Huggins right now. Okay, so this just becomes We'll see
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how this thing plays out from this standpoint. But as you've said, I
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mean, there's zero percent chance that Bob Huggins returns as West Virginia's basketball coach,
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zero zero zero. And you know, the other thing is that this
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program is in I don't want to say it's in turmoil because I think Scott,
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that Josh Eilert, you know, good practical hire Brad. He assembled
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his team there and Okay, they're going to cancel the Italy thing and they're
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losing players, but they're really trying to hold this thing together. They're trying
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to hold it together for the betterment of the program, for the university,
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for the players that stay. They deserve a lot of credit for trying to
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do what they're doing. And this stuff is just a gigantic distraction, a
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gigantic distraction that isn't There was the lead story on the ESPN on their website
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today that it just makes everything harder. And if you, in fact,
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if you're Bob Huggins and you allegedly love the university and love the program,
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you don't do this. You don't do this because what he's doing is narcissistic.
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It is not in the best interest of this program or the university.
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You know, it's interesting you mentioned there the effect on Josh and the program.
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I do think that's something you got to consider. Hear me. Think
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about Josh Eilert walking into just an unimaginably difficult position to begin with, and
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then it's been nothing but chaos since then, right, having to deal with
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the transfer portal, cancelation of the Italy trip. Now this on the back
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end, so never mind just the challenges that presented itself by the situation itself,
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this thing continues to add more things on top of this program number one,
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number two as this staff is out trying to bring players in via the
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transfer portal. And again, I know, if you're in the transfer portal
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at this point, sometimes your options may be limited. But this is not
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the branding that the university needs in terms of the program, right, And
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you're going to get some questions from outside saying what what is going on over
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there? Exactly? And if you're Josh Eilert and you're out out of the
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Kroger and somebody says, hey, Josh, hey, coach, are you
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going to be a coach or not? I heard that Huggins once his job
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back. Come on, it's it's it's this. This is as someone as
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a good friend of mine once told me, this will not end well.
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And it is not ending well. And there's one person responsible for it not
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ending well, and that's Bob Huggins. Yep, it's burning um, no
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question about that, all right, hop um, before we take you off
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the stand, anything else that you care to add. I mean, big
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day on a driving a unicycle today or what do you It's a good thing
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that you're riding and not trying to walk anymore. Last time you went on
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vacation, I got bey. I just you know, guys, it's just
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uh and I appreciate your reversenting the vacation having some family time here, but
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it's just um. Sometimes we say West Virginia can't we have nice things?
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And this is this is say this is a sad, sad way for this
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all end. This is sad. This could have been this, this could
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have been so much better, so much better. Oh yeah, this is
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absolutely not the way the script was going to or should have played out.
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There's no question about that. This should have been this should have been walk
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off into the sunset H. You know, like don Nelon, I mean
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don Nellen has not coached at West Virginia and twenty two years, twenty two,
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twenty three years, and he's still revered. He's revered. And we've
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gone, guys, in just a couple of months, maybe weeks, we've
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gone from every televised antony. You wouldn't mention it every radio game because you've
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covered it so much, but every televised game of w TWU basketball Hall of
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Fame coach, Bob Huggins, Hall of Fame coach, and the Hall of
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Fame Hall of Fame, you know, remarkable winning record gone from that which
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which which from a national perspective brand spoke so highly of the w program to
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this in a matter of weeks. Yeah, that's the We've talked a lot
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about the unintended consequences that have come off of all of this. And you
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sit here right now and as of right now today, with still maybe like
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ten days left for kids to transfer. That are the eight that are remaining.
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They still legally can walk because of a thirty day window when their coaching
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changes may but right now you've lost the five Trey Mitchell, Joe Tusat Mowagee,
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James o'conqo, and Jose Perez. You have eight. You're trying to
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build on that and get kids. Right now, this on, as you
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said, the front page of ESPN and other sources, This does not help
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that when you've got family members. Hey, where's Bobby going for his visit?
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Bobby's going to West Virginia. Well, I just saw something in West
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Virginia. They got a big problem over there. I got a big problem.
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They got a big problem. Like this. This just absolutely pulls everything
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apart that you're trying to fix. Again, That's that's what hurting you.
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That's what's hurting you right now. You already lost the Italy trip and now
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you're trying to put pieces together. And that's why at this point this thing
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is just really really shaky. Just made I mean, Josh Ewart's job is
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very very hard. You just made it um much much harder. And uh.
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And also I think it just reflects, based on that letter from the
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attorney on behalf of Bob Huggins did reflects some really delusional thinking. So all
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right, good deal, We'll enjoy your week. And again I'm never gonna
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say we're not going to do another sundown. I'm just gonna say, okay,
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well we'll see you when we see you then, all right, how
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about that I'm around a phone call. Thanks, Thanks, he is happy.
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Kirchival three guys before the game. And again we didn't come in here,
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didn't have any plan when we walked out of here last week that we
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would be back in here doing this. But as I said, and this
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was earlier last week on sports Line, the reason they're called unintended consequences is
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that you're not intending for them, so when they come, that just becomes
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another unintended consequence. Sometimes even anticipating them, yes, and you can't anticipate,
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so this was one that was again unexpected, unanticipated, unintended consequence.
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But as I just said there now the spiderweb continues to grow. When you're
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trying to bring these new kids in, you look like a dumpster fire right
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now. If some people follow this, some people don't, I mean some
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parents, some family member the way, what's going on with somebody not even
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know what's going on on this But the point is it doesn't help you.
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It lessens your help chance to try to get this thing together. Well,
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and as we mentioned there I think in particular, Josh and this staff that
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could have had a resource there to use maybe getting that resource shut off,
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And I think that's difficult. And again that staff and Josh have been putting
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in a difficult situation to begin with. They don't need more things added on
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top of it to make it even harder to manage. And I think this
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is just another thing that is included in there that makes their job even more
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Camping dot Com. All right, So where do we go from here?
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Now? We had assistance on the road. Some of Double EV's assistants around
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the road. This is a massive weekend. Yet Peach Jam in Atlanta,
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you had the deal up in rock Hill, North Carolina, Winthrop all over
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the place. You haven't heard from the current staff members like, Okay,
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are we going to hear well, we were supposed to have X, Y
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and Z come in, but they called and they said they say it's not
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settled. Yeah, that well, that's the next part and that's a program
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wise, if you back away from the legal stuff that just popped up here
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that we've been addressing, I think program wise, that's what you're looking for
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next because you need to rebuild this roster in terms of depth. So you're
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down to what eight players now after five transfer portal entry, so you need
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you need players. So you need two things. One you need numbers and
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then two you need guys that can actually help contribute. And as we've said,
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that's difficult to find this time, although there still remains some options in
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the portal. So I think that's what's to come next here this week,
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and you hope for this program that they're able to announce some guys that have
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come in this week. Not that oh we were supposed to have, but
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all of this stuff kept them away. That should be what's next is the
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addition of some guys into this basketball program. All right, before we check
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away here Friday night, coach Eric Stevenson and San Antonio Spurs in action.
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You're right there not passing on the ball. Who told you that? Why
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don't they pass it? It's well part of its summer league. I mean,
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summer league is going to be guys feel they need to put up shots
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and points to get noticed. There's so it's not a lot of not a
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lot of ball movement there. Now he did he passed the ball well a
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couple of times. Web Nana posted up he got it into him. He
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moves the ball a little bit. But it didn't look like the entire Spurs
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team was engaged with the passing side of things. They played tonight. We're
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recording Sunday morning. They record, they record. They played tonight at eight
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o'clock, so you get another opportunity to see him. They play Portland tonight
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at eight eight o'clock. I don't know. I mean, I'm preferential obviously
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to Eric Stevenson, but when I watch him play, I say to myself,
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he's not doing anything to hurt himself. I agree, Right, So
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it looks like he belongs. Yeah, that's the biggest thing. He looks
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like he's belongs. Yeah, so when I look at him and again,
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yeah with the NBAB the aspiration, Yeah, absolutely. But in the stands,
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besides those people wearing San Antonio Spurs jerseys, there are scouts from professional
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leagues across the world and they're watching. So you just hope, you know,
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one way or the other, he's going to get idd and'll have an
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opportunity to make some He continue to do what he does. You've seen him
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make threes as he did in their first game, a couple of them from
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long range. You see him move the ball. You see him he can
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get in there on the defensive glass and rebound and he's guarding. He's one
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of the guys that's guarding and being physical out there. So I'm hoping he
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gets a few more shots tonight. But yeah, he's doing what he does.
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Do you think we should like call him or something, say hey,
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fire it up or take the ball out and throw it to yourself. I
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think he knows he played. That's why he's got to get on the defensive
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glass like he does. So get the rebound, don't outlet it. Take
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the thing up the court yourself. He played the second most minutes off the
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bench on Friday night, he played twenty minutes. Yeah, did the first
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game as well. Yeah, it didn't hit a three. He was one
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for four from three or for three from three, but one for four from
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the field, had a rebound, had a block. He was plus six
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when they were when he was on the floor, finished up with three points.
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But the game before that, obviously he had hit the three three.
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So hopefully they'll keep going for him. The fact that he's in the rotation,
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as you just mentioned, he's in that seventh man slot there, that's
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good news for him. Whether it's with the Spurs or whether it's G League
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or overseas. He's he's a part of this summer league playing and as the
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Spurs have moved forward, because sometimes these guys get on these summer league teams
28:03
and they absolutely never get on the floor. So at least they're playing.
28:08
They played ten again tonight. He might go out there and be the guy
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that's not going to play to night, so they get to look at these
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other guys. But hopefully he'll keep it going well and one last thing on
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this and I didn't mean turn it into a Spurs podcast here, but Webb
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and Yanna, I can't imagine he's going to get a ton of minutes the
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rest of the summer league, right yan veil him the other night, Let
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him get some run, put him back in maybe today, get a little
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more, but boom and get him out. They don't need him hurt,
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so I would think Eric will continue to get some run. You know,
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it's really bad with wemben Yama, too bad as the number one pick.
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He doesn't have any skill. He's really fluid and oh my goodness. Now,
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I don't think people can fully appreciate it yet. He's seven feet three
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inches tall. He's seven feet three inches tall, brings it up like a
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guard, gets to the top of the key, start to make a move
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to the basket, crosses over, puts it between his legs and try.
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He was one of the show. He was one of the few guys passing
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on that team. He was the best passing. He's more of a point
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center. He's not going to be a back to the basket high the length
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where you really see the length. Watch him on the defensive rebounding side.
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When he's in there and other people are going up for the ball and he
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decides he wants to go get a defensive rebound. He's about three and a
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half feet above everybody else when he reaches up. He had five blocks.
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I know he shot it horribly Friday to or thirteen just okay, fine at
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five rebounds or five blocks eight rebounds, Yes, and that one he had
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a Brandon Miller when he tried to like he just kind of like gave it.
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He didn't even like go straight up to I just can't just reach octopused
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it just like here, I'll just reach up and get About two or three
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of those blocks were almost accidental blocks. He was just guarding, just he
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