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Suzanne Morphew Hubby set to walk FREE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A beautiful young mom seemingly emphasis on seemingly takes a
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Speaker 1: bike ride and she's never seen again. Then there's evidence
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Speaker 1: of a twenty two caliber bullet beside her bed, journal
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Speaker 1: burned in the fireplace. A lot of this is not
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Speaker 1: adding up what I want to know. Is there any
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Speaker 1: chance a snowball's chance? And h E double l that
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Speaker 1: Barry Morphew is gonna walk out of jail on bond,
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Speaker 1: cuts on his hands and crocodile tears. I didn't make
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Speaker 1: that up. Cuts on his hands and crocodile tears. Let's
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Speaker 1: just let it soak in for a minute. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. We're hearing details about the days, hours,
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Speaker 1: and minutes leading up to May nine, twenty twenty, which
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Speaker 1: is the last day that the FBI says that they
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Speaker 1: knew that Susanne Morpheu was still alive. It's all focusing
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Speaker 1: on the Morphew home just outside of Salida. Now. The
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Speaker 1: FBI investigator today testified that Susanne Morphew was at home
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Speaker 1: sunbathing and sending pictures of herself to her boyfriend while
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Speaker 1: her husband, Barry, was out of the home that afternoon.
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Speaker 1: When Barry came home Susanne stopped responding to his messages.
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Speaker 1: An investigator testified that he wrote in an affidavit that
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Speaker 1: he believed Barry was chasing Susanne around the home when
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Speaker 1: he returned. That's based on cell phone GPS data. Defense
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Speaker 1: attorneys have said that that data may not be accurate.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they did say it wasn't accurate. Guys, you
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Speaker 1: were just hearing our friend Mark Salinger at nine Knees, Denver.
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Speaker 1: Expect a big ruling in just hours, and the Barry
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Speaker 1: Morphey murder case, I prefer to call it Suzanne Morphew
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Speaker 1: murder case. Joining me an all star panel. Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags at Wendy Patrick PhD
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Speaker 1: dot com and host of Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ,
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Speaker 1: San Diego doctor and Joy crossend psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University,
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Speaker 1: research consultant and author of Operation Soos. Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: forensics professor, Jacksonville State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet
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Speaker 1: on Amazon and star of a hit series, The Piketon
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Speaker 1: Massacre on iHeartRadio. Mike King, host of Profiling Evil on YouTube,
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Speaker 1: former cop, former chief investigator good Gravy, I can't even
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Speaker 1: read all of your resume, author of Deceived and investigative
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Speaker 1: memoir of the Zion Society Cult. Oh that sounds good.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Profiling Evil dot com. But
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Speaker 1: first to investigative reporter our friend Lauren Sharf at Fox
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Speaker 1: twenty one. You can find her at Lauren Sharf dot com. Lauren,
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Speaker 1: as much as I'd love to talk about the tranquilizer
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Speaker 1: cap found in the dryer, and don't jump up and
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Speaker 1: tell me the defense is arguing that means nothing, I
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Speaker 1: guarantee you there's not a tranquilizer cap off a tranquilizer
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Speaker 1: gun in my dryer, and I bet there's not one
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Speaker 1: a your dryer, and I bet there's not going to
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Speaker 1: be one, And the dryers of the jurars whenever they're picked.
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Speaker 1: What I want to talk about. It's the possibility that
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Speaker 1: this guy might walk out on bond. And when are
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Speaker 1: we going to get to see all those sealed documents.
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Speaker 1: We still haven't seen a multi page arrest warrant. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the judges supposed to make that ruling on Friday, September seventeenth,
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Speaker 1: around one thirty and hopefully make a decision whether or
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Speaker 1: not Heat will get bond. And also it's the unsealed
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Speaker 1: at the David Well or if the stealed after day
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Speaker 1: that will become unsealed. You know, I'm very curious about
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Speaker 1: why the judge is holding out a ruling. Let's take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut one sixteen. Yes, Jackie, we're
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Speaker 1: up to cut one hundred and sixteen. Our friends at
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Speaker 1: Fox twenty one, listen to this. Very mooreph You laid
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Speaker 1: his head on the desk while his mother in the
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Speaker 1: courtroom cried when he found out he wasn't going to
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Speaker 1: be released from jail today. Both sides were wishing a
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Speaker 1: decision would be made on Tuesday. I wish a decision
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Speaker 1: would be made already as well. But really, putting your
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Speaker 1: head down in a dramatic play in the courtroom, why
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Speaker 1: don't just lay in the floor and cry? I mean,
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Speaker 1: what's it all about? Why the dramatics in the courtroom?
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Speaker 1: His mother starts crying to see actually think he's gonna
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Speaker 1: walk out on bond. That's my point of playing that,
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Speaker 1: Sam Lauren Sharp, is this guy gonna walk free? I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of his family members thought that he
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Speaker 1: was gonna get out of jail on the last day
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Speaker 1: of the preliminary hearing, but obviously that wasn't the case,
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Speaker 1: and he's still remained in jail without bond. The hanging
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Speaker 1: the head, putting the head all the way down on
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Speaker 1: the table in frustration or anger. I'm not sure what
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Speaker 1: it suggests to me, just as Lawrence Sharp is saying
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Speaker 1: that he and all of his cadrey of supporters do
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Speaker 1: believe he's gonna walk free in the face of what
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Speaker 1: I consider to be a mountain of evidence. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Mike King, host a profile and evil on YouTube,
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Speaker 1: former cop go blah blah, blah blah, a lot of background,
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Speaker 1: Mike King, let's use all of that expertise you've got,
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Speaker 1: and it's quite a bit. Is this guy gonna walk?
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Speaker 1: Go ahead. I'm not a gambling woman, but I'd like
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Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts. You know, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: he's gonna walk everybody knows, we don't know. We're not
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Speaker 1: the oracle standing on a mountain in Athens, Greece. But
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Speaker 1: what do you think. I think he's gonna stay in jail.
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Speaker 1: I think it's going to stay in jail too. And
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Speaker 1: you know why, because this is murder one. If it's true,
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Speaker 1: it's murder one. And let me point out to everybody,
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Speaker 1: and Wendy Patrick jump in if I'm wrong, because you know,
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Speaker 1: the legal standards are different very jurisdictions, but the legal
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Speaker 1: standard here in Colorado in a preliminary hearing it and guys,
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Speaker 1: a preliminary hearing is just basically pro forma. What it
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Speaker 1: is is a grand jury can indict. And I've been
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Speaker 1: railing about why a preliminary hearing was held in this case,
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Speaker 1: because what you're trying to do is get this case
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Speaker 1: to a jury, and in a preliminary hearing, a judge
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Speaker 1: here's evidence and decides that there's enough for an indictment,
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Speaker 1: or a grand jury can hear it in secret and
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Speaker 1: decide if there's enough for an indictment. When you have
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Speaker 1: a pre limb, the state has to put their evidence up,
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Speaker 1: put up witnesses for the defense to get a dry
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Speaker 1: run across examination. You got to show your cards, put
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Speaker 1: your cards on the table for a prelimb. Now I'm
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Speaker 1: understanding that we didn't have a grand jury for one
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Speaker 1: reason COVID, so they went with a prelimb. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if that's accurate or not. But that's the word,
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Speaker 1: so Wendy Patrick. The legal standard in a prelimb for
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Speaker 1: a judge to bind over the evidence is very simple.
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Speaker 1: It's an old case Jackson versus Virginia, which says the
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Speaker 1: evidence will be viewed by the judge in the light
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Speaker 1: most favorable to the state. This is not a jury
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Speaker 1: trial where it's beyond a reasonable doubt or beyond all
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Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt. It's just favorable to the prosecution.
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Speaker 1: If the judge thinks there's enough, it's going to get
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Speaker 1: bound over. And I think it will be bound over.
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Speaker 1: That's right, you know. But it depends on the kind
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Speaker 1: of case, regard list of the standard. How much a
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Speaker 1: prosecutor decides to show their hand. It's often a sneak
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Speaker 1: peak of the highlights, but it's more than that because
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Speaker 1: sometimes you have and this is again what distinguishes it
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Speaker 1: from the grand jury. Sometimes you have prosecutors in different
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Speaker 1: jurisdictions that wants to maybe they believe that less is
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Speaker 1: more they want to hold more back. But then you
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Speaker 1: also have cases or they want to test out certain witnesses,
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Speaker 1: see how they do on the stand, subject them to examination. Please,
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Speaker 1: you can do that in a trial you can test
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Speaker 1: out your witnesses in private, in the privacy of their
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Speaker 1: own living room. Why put them up on the scanner
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Speaker 1: and let them get torn apart on cross exam? What
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Speaker 1: I would argue, there's a valid reason for doing that,
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Speaker 1: and I've chosen to do that in many cases. I've
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Speaker 1: never done a sneak difference. I've never done it. Of
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Speaker 1: the well, okay, some of the victims I've had, I've
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Speaker 1: found it very valuable to give them that opportunity to
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Speaker 1: not just see the quer room where they're going to sit,
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Speaker 1: where the Joe sits, but to actually go through testimony
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Speaker 1: on what kind of case you're handling. Well, we're about
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Speaker 1: to have the war between I think God is Wendy Patrick.
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Speaker 1: Because what I don't want as my crime victim, let's
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Speaker 1: just say a rape victim to get up on the
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Speaker 1: standard tape one beating on cross examine, a preliminary hearing,
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Speaker 1: then go through it another time in front of a jury.
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Speaker 1: But hey, you say potato, I say potato. Well, well,
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Speaker 1: that's why it depends on what kind of case you're handling.
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Speaker 1: And I've also had cases where we lose a victim
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Speaker 1: between prelim and trial and if they testified at the prelim.
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Speaker 1: What I'm able to do is to have a reader
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Speaker 1: or somebody to actually go in front of a jury
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Speaker 1: when it gets to trial, and even though I've lost
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Speaker 1: my victim, be able to have that testimony. And that's
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Speaker 1: why I try the case as quickly as you can say.
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Speaker 1: Nobody dies. Clime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, right now
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Speaker 1: it all hangs in the balance. We'll bury Morphew walk
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Speaker 1: free on bail. There are a lot of circumstances to
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Speaker 1: take into account when the judge makes that decision. Circumstances
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Speaker 1: like the strength of the murder case against him. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox twenty one, our
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Speaker 1: cut number seventy eight, I mean ninth. Agent Grucing said.
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Speaker 1: Susanne sent a picture of her sunbathing to her lover,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Libler around two pm. Her daughters were crying in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom when they saw the last known photo of
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Speaker 1: their mom alive. When Morphew arrived home, his phone was
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Speaker 1: turned on airplane mode at two forty seven and wasn't
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Speaker 1: turned back on until after ten o'clock that night. On
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Speaker 1: Mother's Day, Suzanne's phone paying for the last time at
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Speaker 1: four twenty three in the morning, when Morphew had told
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Speaker 1: investigators that Susanne was asleep when he left for Broomfield
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Speaker 1: at five. I want to talk about a web, a
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Speaker 1: bullet or a bullet casing found near her bed. Lauren Sharf,
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Speaker 1: reporter joining us from Fox twenty one News. What can
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Speaker 1: you tell me about a twenty two caliber bullet or
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Speaker 1: cart what's found by her bed? Yeah. Undershriff Andy Roy
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Speaker 1: testified that a twenty two caliber round was found on
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Speaker 1: the floor of Suzanne's bedroom next to her side of
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Speaker 1: the bed. They didn't kind of give more information as
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Speaker 1: to you know, how they found it. It was just
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Speaker 1: under the bed and it was on her side of
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Speaker 1: the bed. Joska Morgan sing for your supper friend, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: because I can guarantee you there is not a twenty
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Speaker 1: two caliber bullet shell casing and nothing beside my side
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Speaker 1: of the bed or my husband's side of the bed.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill him. I may drive him crazy,
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Speaker 1: but I'm not going to kill him. So why is
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Speaker 1: there a twenty two caliber round on her side of
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Speaker 1: the bed? And don't start with me. Defense attorneys Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: playing devil's advocate that maybe it wasn't her side of
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Speaker 1: the bed place. It's so obvious. On my side of
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Speaker 1: the bed, I've got a picture of my dad, a
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Speaker 1: picture of the twins. I've got a bottle of water,
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Speaker 1: I've got whatever book I was trying to read. On
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Speaker 1: David's side of the bed that there's one thing, a
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Speaker 1: charger for his iPhone bam, nothing sentimental, nothing at and
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Speaker 1: a pair of dirty socks. Probably, So it's very easy
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Speaker 1: to tell which side of the bed is who's. But
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Why is there a twenty two caliber
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Speaker 1: round in their bedroom? I'm curious it's their carpet or hardwood.
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Speaker 1: And you know why I'm curious. Go ahead, Joe Scott analyze. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: One of the things I'm thinking about Nancy is that
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Speaker 1: depended upon the weapon, the twenty two caliber weapon that
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Speaker 1: the thing would have been used in. Was he attempting
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Speaker 1: to potentially rack a live round into the chamber that
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Speaker 1: is pulling? You say a rack, I think of a shotgun.
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Speaker 1: You're just saying a twenty two caliber round and a shotgun. No,
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Speaker 1: but you can you can, I mean we use the
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Speaker 1: term rack. You pull the slide back on it. You
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Speaker 1: can rack it in, and he didn't realized there was
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Speaker 1: a live round already in the chamber, so he's going
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Speaker 1: to rack another round in there. Maybe he was fumbling
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Speaker 1: around trying to load a twenty two caliber revolver. This
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Speaker 1: is what I'm interested in. It is significant that this round,
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Speaker 1: this a live round, by the way, not a spent round.
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Speaker 1: Live round was found on the floor adjacent to hrside
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Speaker 1: of bed. I want to know what type of twenty
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Speaker 1: two caliber weapons this man owned, and were any recovered
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Speaker 1: in the house. That's going to be key here, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I think coupling that along with this bizarre tranquilizer cap
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Speaker 1: that he's got. It seems like, you know, the twenty
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Speaker 1: two caliber round is used many times for people that
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Speaker 1: engage in what's called varmint hunting. You're trying to shoot
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Speaker 1: maybe coyotes or foxes or squirrels or something like that
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Speaker 1: that's getting into your area. I'm wondering if he wasn't
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Speaker 1: using tranquilizers for the same thing, and maybe a more
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Speaker 1: sinister why would there be a cap to a tranquilizer.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, pocket and had fallen out while they
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Speaker 1: were drying clothes. And I'm just wondering if perhaps you
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Speaker 1: know you should go to will be a defense lawyer,
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Speaker 1: because you really a tranquilizer cap into the dryer in
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Speaker 1: order to eradicate physical evidence. You put it into the
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Speaker 1: washer in order to wash things away. So how in
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Speaker 1: the world did it wind up there? And also how
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Speaker 1: did this live round wind up there in such close
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Speaker 1: proximity to her side of the bed? Nancy, Okay, you
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Speaker 1: know what I thought you were going to say. Let
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Speaker 1: me just get crazy. I know I'm the JD and
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Speaker 1: you're the forensic expert, but I thought you were going
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Speaker 1: to say something alike when I gave you the hint
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Speaker 1: carpet versus hardwood that when you shoot a gun, well
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Speaker 1: that would really go to a cartridge. It would fly
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Speaker 1: out of the gun and land somewhere. Because I remember
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Speaker 1: a murder case I had, of course a wealthy, fancy
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Speaker 1: side of Atlanta, and it was deemed a suicide. And
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner investigator explained to me why it was
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Speaker 1: so significant where the cartridge was found. You know that
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Speaker 1: flies out of the gun, ejects out of the gun,
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Speaker 1: and that was a hardwood floor, because if it hits
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Speaker 1: on carpet, it will bounce one way. If it hits
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Speaker 1: on hardwood, it will bounce another way. But just the
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Speaker 1: fact that there is a twenty two caliber round on
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Speaker 1: the floor on her side of the bed. Actually just
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Speaker 1: got what you said makes a lot of sense. What
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Speaker 1: we're talking about right now is the possibility that Barry
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Speaker 1: Morphew will walk out free on bond. Now here's my concern,
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Speaker 1: straight out to Mike King, host of Profiling Evil on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: You can find in profiling Evil dot com Mike Suzanne
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Speaker 1: moorefew kept a journey religiously. It was not found when
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Speaker 1: the home was searched. In fact, Barry Morphew was caught
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Speaker 1: on video home surveillance video going into the home for
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Speaker 1: the first times that she's been reported missing. And he's
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Speaker 1: not really even curious. He's not looking around, he's not
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Speaker 1: racing to find her cell phone, nothing. But I do
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Speaker 1: know that there was a book found burned in the fireplace.
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Speaker 1: There was enough left to determine a book was burned,
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Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if that was her journal. My point is,
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Speaker 1: if he gets out and he did it well, he
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Speaker 1: try to destroy more evidence exactly, And I think we
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Speaker 1: have to consider the fact that a journal is such
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Speaker 1: a personal item. Sure people may pull out a page
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Speaker 1: here and there to try to get rid of a memory,
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Speaker 1: but they're not going to get rid of all the
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Speaker 1: good memories that are in there. And so that's really
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Speaker 1: troubling that they were able to find the other books
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Speaker 1: that they were specifically looking for, the Bible, the Alanon
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Speaker 1: book that they couldn't find a journal. And yes, if
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Speaker 1: he's released, is he then in a position to destroy
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Speaker 1: evidence that we don't know the location of yet a
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Speaker 1: really big concern. The guy doesn't have a home. Is
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Speaker 1: he a flight risk if he's relieved, Let's talk about
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Speaker 1: that flight risk, chance of tampering with evidence, chance of
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Speaker 1: committing another crime, ties to the community. Those are just
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Speaker 1: some of the criteria the judge will look at and
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Speaker 1: determining bond. Flight risk. He just sold his home. What's
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Speaker 1: to keep him there exactly? His daughters have moved away,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't have family. He's there a short timer in reality,
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Speaker 1: they've only been there a few years, so he has
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Speaker 1: no real associations. His business hasn't done well by all accounts,
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Speaker 1: especially since Suzanne's disappearance. He sells his home, he has
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Speaker 1: all the money bundled away somewhere, and he, to me,
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Speaker 1: is a very big risk of being able to just
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Speaker 1: disappear somewhere, Laura Sharp, where did he get the money
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Speaker 1: to buy that home? It's over a million dollar mansion.
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Speaker 1: I was told by Susanne's family he had gotten some
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Speaker 1: of the money from you know, Susanne's mother had passed away,
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Speaker 1: so she inherited some of the money. So some of
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Speaker 1: that money that they used to buy the home was
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Speaker 1: Susanne and so. And also they borrowed some money from
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Speaker 1: Jean Mormon as well, Susanne's father, So money from her
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Speaker 1: mother and from her father. Now he saw the home
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Speaker 1: and pockets the profit. Interesting climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about a ruling that's set to go down in hours,
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Speaker 1: and that is whether Barry Morphy will actually face formal
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Speaker 1: murder charges in front of a jury and will he
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Speaker 1: walk out free on bond. Is it true to you,
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Speaker 1: Mike King host a profile a profiling evil that, when
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Speaker 1: questioned by detectives, Barry Morphy responded, I don't recall ninety
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Speaker 1: five times is this true? Well, that's what the testimony
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Speaker 1: is and what the media is reporting, And that's really
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Speaker 1: troubling because he had so many answers, and yet simple
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Speaker 1: answers about things like that, or his reactions and the
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Speaker 1: way he responds when he walks through the home the
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Speaker 1: first time after getting back into the home, when he
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Speaker 1: discovers his wife's missing, all of those start to really
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Speaker 1: provide a lot of behavioral information that you look at
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Speaker 1: and say, this just doesn't seem right. What do you
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Speaker 1: mean by that, Mike King? The way he acted in
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Speaker 1: the home the first time since Susanna has been reported missing.
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Speaker 1: As the investigators went back in the home, they were
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Speaker 1: looking for a piece of clothing to give to search
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Speaker 1: dogs in order to have a stant to be able
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Speaker 1: to follow. One of the remarkable things to the investigators
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Speaker 1: enough that they would put it in a report and
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Speaker 1: testify about it during the prelimb is that he just
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Speaker 1: nonchalantly went into the house when about getting the piece
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Speaker 1: of clothing, didn't look around, didn't try to call his
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Speaker 1: wife on the phone. All these things that the rest
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Speaker 1: of us, in our minds would say if my wife
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Speaker 1: suddenly disappeared or someone that I was very close to,
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Speaker 1: I'd be asking questions, I'd be looking around I'd want
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Speaker 1: to look into the rooms and see if there was
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Speaker 1: something that wasn't that way when I left at five
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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. You know, Nancy, I would argue
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Speaker 1: that goes to this reality that inaction speaks louder than words.
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Speaker 1: What he didn't do. We're not even talking about what
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Speaker 1: he said or didn't say, or what he could or
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Speaker 1: couldn't remember. The way he behaved. I don't think jurors
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Speaker 1: are not going to be able to relate to that
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Speaker 1: complete nonchalance in the face of his wife gone missing.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a huge piece of evidence straight out
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Speaker 1: to doctor Jerry Crawsen, joining US faculty Saint Leo University,
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Speaker 1: an author of operation, asked doctor Joy, I can't recall
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Speaker 1: I don't recall ninety five times in one interview. I've
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Speaker 1: done a lot of interviews, and I can't recall him either.
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Speaker 1: You know, he seemed to be somewhat organized with this
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Speaker 1: crime at the beginning, but you know, with the passage
21:19
Speaker 1: of time, there's more and more of like we're already
21:22
Speaker 1: saying the inactivity things that he didn't do, and that's
21:26
Speaker 1: very revealing. You know, let me say one thing that
21:29
Speaker 1: I would be concerned as a mental health or whatever purposes,
21:33
Speaker 1: but his mental state. If he is released out about
21:36
Speaker 1: possible suicide, why do you saying that, Well, just everything
21:40
Speaker 1: that we've talked about so far, when you start looking
21:42
Speaker 1: at the breakdown in his support system, is children knowing
21:46
Speaker 1: now the evidence that he's seen before him, I would
21:51
Speaker 1: really think that, you know, he could be considering suicide.
21:55
Speaker 1: I believe Laurence Sharfa joining us in Fox twenty one
21:58
Speaker 1: that both of his adult children supporting him. Yeah, they've
22:01
Speaker 1: been in the courtroom every single day for the preliminary
22:03
Speaker 1: hearing and they're you know, sending love and they say,
22:08
Speaker 1: you know what, we miss you and we love you
22:10
Speaker 1: and sending you hearts with their hands and um, you
22:15
Speaker 1: know they're saying that, you know, very more fhe's their
22:18
Speaker 1: best friend and that they miss him, and so they
22:21
Speaker 1: are very much in support of very few. That's that's
22:24
Speaker 1: even more for it because when the truth is coming out,
22:27
Speaker 1: I mean, he's faced with one or two, he kind
22:29
Speaker 1: of thinks black and white, and that's usually you know,
22:32
Speaker 1: what happens in suicide. It comes down to a black
22:35
Speaker 1: and white thinking, and it maybe his way of escaping out.
22:39
Speaker 1: What about you Mike King, hosts of Profiling Evil. Do
22:42
Speaker 1: you see him making a run for it, committing suicide
22:46
Speaker 1: or standing by waiting for trial? You know, I think
22:49
Speaker 1: he has so much arrogance that he probably will stand firm.
22:52
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I'm too concerned about suicide. I
22:55
Speaker 1: look at the daughters, and I think, what child wouldn't
23:00
Speaker 1: be supportive of a parent after losing another. I think
23:03
Speaker 1: you'll have some support, But the truth is going to
23:06
Speaker 1: continue to eat away at that, and that's going to
23:09
Speaker 1: create this foundation to start to collapse around him, and
23:12
Speaker 1: then I think all these other concerns might come into play.
23:16
Speaker 1: I'm very curious. Let me ask you about a couple
23:18
Speaker 1: of facts, Mike King. Was her cell phone ever recovered? No,
23:22
Speaker 1: not that I'm aware of. Lauren may have some more information,
23:27
Speaker 1: having sat in the prelimb, but I don't believe that
23:29
Speaker 1: it was ever revealed that it was recovered, was it, Lauren? No,
23:32
Speaker 1: they haven't said that in court at all. So I
23:35
Speaker 1: guess the wild cougar or the mountain lion took the
23:37
Speaker 1: cell phone. Okay, cell phone not recovered. And back to you,
23:42
Speaker 1: Mike King, Profiling Evil, her helmet, her bike itself was
23:48
Speaker 1: found on this very remote rural route. Her helmet was
23:55
Speaker 1: found a little less than a mile away. Where was
24:00
Speaker 1: the helmet? I know that it was on Barry Morphew's
24:04
Speaker 1: route that he would have driven, but where is the
24:07
Speaker 1: where was the helmet found? Yeah, that was really troubling.
24:10
Speaker 1: The bike, of course, is found in the little ravine
24:13
Speaker 1: dropping down off the gravel road just before it reaches
24:15
Speaker 1: Highway fifty. The helmet is to the west about eight
24:19
Speaker 1: tenths of a mile and it's just maybe ten or
24:22
Speaker 1: twenty yards off of the road, easy distance to be
24:25
Speaker 1: able to be thrown from a vehicle to the south,
24:28
Speaker 1: so as the vehicle, someone driving westbound, could easily throw
24:32
Speaker 1: it out the driver's window and have it and end
24:35
Speaker 1: up in that location. The thing that's so intriguing about
24:37
Speaker 1: that is that, according to testimony in the interviews, Barry
24:42
Speaker 1: says he sees a herd of elk and he wants
24:44
Speaker 1: to pursue it because he's chasing alers. And he turns
24:49
Speaker 1: west and heads down the road, loses sight of him,
24:51
Speaker 1: has to turn around and head back the direction he
24:54
Speaker 1: would need to go to Denver and onto Broomfield. All
24:57
Speaker 1: of that just places him mister previously in the same
25:00
Speaker 1: location the helmet is. You know, I'm glad you connected
25:04
Speaker 1: those dots for me, because I was already confounded by
25:08
Speaker 1: him going to the made up job site at about
25:11
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning and please jump in. There's
25:14
Speaker 1: so many facts, I've got any of them wrong. And
25:16
Speaker 1: then he is, you have to get up and leave
25:19
Speaker 1: early to get there, but then you would take time
25:22
Speaker 1: to chase down a herd of elk, and then coincidentally,
25:28
Speaker 1: where you chase down the herd of elk is where
25:32
Speaker 1: her helmet is found. Do I have that right, Mike King?
25:35
Speaker 1: From all of the testimony I heard, that's exactly the scenario,
25:39
Speaker 1: and you know, I can see someone wanting to turn
25:41
Speaker 1: and look at a big group of the elk. The
25:44
Speaker 1: difference that I'm having trouble with is that this is
25:47
Speaker 1: pre dawn, so the lighting is really tough. I don't
25:50
Speaker 1: know that there's anything to support that the elk in
25:53
Speaker 1: that area still have their antlers hanging on that late
25:56
Speaker 1: into April, and are the bulls actually running with the
26:00
Speaker 1: cows at that time of year and it just isn't normal. Well,
26:05
Speaker 1: what strikes me is human behavior. Laura Sharfe based on
26:10
Speaker 1: where the helmet was found and the GPS coordinates of
26:14
Speaker 1: his truck. Do they match together? And I was speaking
26:17
Speaker 1: about human behavior. If I had to get up at
26:21
Speaker 1: four o'clock, which many times I do, to be on
26:24
Speaker 1: a location at a certain time early in the morning,
26:29
Speaker 1: why would you take time to chase down a herd
26:31
Speaker 1: of elk If you have to get up at four
26:33
Speaker 1: o'clock any time to get somewhere, that doesn't make sense
26:37
Speaker 1: to me. Well, he even told invest two years that
26:39
Speaker 1: he had packed his truck the night before and that
26:42
Speaker 1: he left around five. And it doesn't match, you know,
26:48
Speaker 1: the data from them cell phone where it was last paying,
26:52
Speaker 1: because she supposedly was in bed sleeping as well, according
26:56
Speaker 1: to Barrymrphy's testimony at five o'clock when her phone was
27:01
Speaker 1: pinging around for elsewhere, and you know, and then his
27:06
Speaker 1: phone and then his testimony as well, saying that he
27:09
Speaker 1: turned less on Highway fifty when he should have been
27:13
Speaker 1: going right also is interesting as well. Where was her
27:18
Speaker 1: last paying Lauren at four am? Did you say he
27:21
Speaker 1: got a little after four am and it was around
27:26
Speaker 1: Conscious Springs? I believe, Wait, where is that in relation
27:31
Speaker 1: to her home? It's about ten minute fifteen minute drive
27:36
Speaker 1: from me and Zo Man Jessica Morgan, what Lauren Shark
27:41
Speaker 1: just said and my mind is a bombshell that destroys
27:47
Speaker 1: his whole story. That he left her asleep in bed,
27:51
Speaker 1: had to get up early and leave her cell phone
27:53
Speaker 1: is pinging at four am, fifteen minutes away from the home. Yeah,
27:58
Speaker 1: is he traveling down the road with her phone? And
28:00
Speaker 1: maybe it can be concluded that he's traveling down the
28:03
Speaker 1: road with her as well, in God only knows what
28:06
Speaker 1: kind of state she's in, So that can be implied,
28:09
Speaker 1: I think, and would be implied by investigators. They would
28:12
Speaker 1: be looking specifically around that area where they got that
28:16
Speaker 1: last pain. It would not surprise me if they had
28:18
Speaker 1: not gone out there with dogs to check that area.
28:21
Speaker 1: I'm just really curious if they got any hits out
28:24
Speaker 1: there that haven't been revealed. I would imagine to this
28:27
Speaker 1: point they would have. But again, Nancy, I go back
28:30
Speaker 1: to this idea that there's any number of places that
28:35
Speaker 1: her mortal remains could be spirited away too and hidden
28:41
Speaker 1: in some abandoned mind shaft or something like that that
28:44
Speaker 1: he would have an awareness of. Potentially, can we tell
28:47
Speaker 1: any of that from the GPS monitoring on his truck, Scott.
28:51
Speaker 1: I would think that you would be able to Nancy,
28:53
Speaker 1: that they would be able to at least triangulate a
28:56
Speaker 1: rough position on him, depended upon what the signal is
29:00
Speaker 1: like in that area. Let's keep in mind this is
29:02
Speaker 1: a rugged, isolated area. I don't know if folks at
29:05
Speaker 1: home really understand how isolated it is. It's the kind
29:09
Speaker 1: of place that you want to go to get lost
29:12
Speaker 1: and you're thankful for it. You've traveled across this area
29:14
Speaker 1: of the country, Nancy, I've traveled across this area. Is peaceful,
29:17
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, but it's also remote, to say the very least.
29:21
Speaker 1: So I don't know if these signals are intermitted or not.
29:32
Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace to Lauren Sharf, Fox twenty
29:38
Speaker 1: one investigative reporter joining us. He's been on the story
29:41
Speaker 1: from the very beginning. Lauren. A lot of the evidence
29:45
Speaker 1: will be taken into account by the judge when determining
29:49
Speaker 1: if barrymore few we'll walk free on bond and if
29:53
Speaker 1: the case will be bound over for trial for murder one?
29:58
Speaker 1: What can you tell me why was Verry spy pen
30:01
Speaker 1: and Barry Morphy's car and what do you believe it
30:04
Speaker 1: ultimately revealed. So Susanne Morphy she wanted this spy pen
30:10
Speaker 1: and she actually ordered it and sent it to a
30:13
Speaker 1: friend in Florida so that I guess, Barry morph You
30:16
Speaker 1: wouldn't find out about it. And when she went to
30:19
Speaker 1: Florida to meet her up with her dad, she also
30:23
Speaker 1: met up with her friend to get the spy pen,
30:25
Speaker 1: and when she came home, she would place it in
30:28
Speaker 1: areas to catch Verry Morphu in conversation and things like that.
30:32
Speaker 1: In one place was his truck and it's a voice
30:35
Speaker 1: activating spy pen, so you don't have to be there
30:39
Speaker 1: to turn it on or anything like that, and it
30:42
Speaker 1: would catch conversations or what he was doing in his truck.
30:47
Speaker 1: And you know, they have multiple audio recordings of Susanne
30:54
Speaker 1: and Barry having arguments in the truck and than also
31:01
Speaker 1: you know what he was listening to, you know, months
31:04
Speaker 1: before Susanne was missing. Wow, So I understand that it
31:10
Speaker 1: also caught her talking to her boyfriend. Yes, and at
31:14
Speaker 1: the time they didn't know who that was. They just
31:17
Speaker 1: had this voice and they you know, the investigators said
31:21
Speaker 1: that they asked multiple people if they could recognize who
31:24
Speaker 1: this voice was, and eventually they did find out it
31:27
Speaker 1: was Jeff Libbler. Where was the spy pen in Morphy's truck?
31:32
Speaker 1: They have not said that they I don't know. She
31:35
Speaker 1: must have hidden it really well because he never found it.
31:38
Speaker 1: What can you tell me about claims that Susie and
31:42
Speaker 1: Morphy was planning to leave the country with her boyfriend.
31:47
Speaker 1: I guess on the spy pen they and also interviews
31:50
Speaker 1: that they had with Jeff Libbler. Investigators found out that
31:54
Speaker 1: they had talked about going to Ecuador and she had
31:57
Speaker 1: looked up, you know, if she could teach their possibly
32:01
Speaker 1: and and so there wasn't any set plan to go.
32:06
Speaker 1: It sounded like at least they just were in the
32:09
Speaker 1: beginning stages of maybe looking to go to Ecuador for
32:14
Speaker 1: a trip. What would she teach in Ecuador English? Yeah?
32:18
Speaker 1: Got it? You know, I'm very curious. He claims he
32:23
Speaker 1: did not very Morphy did not know about the affair.
32:27
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I believe that. I think he
32:28
Speaker 1: did know about the affair. What would you How would
32:31
Speaker 1: you characterize Mike King the state of their marriage? All
32:36
Speaker 1: reports are that there was difficulty in it that there
32:39
Speaker 1: were reports that Susannah told a friend that the marriage
32:42
Speaker 1: was having difficulty, may have even said that it was over.
32:45
Speaker 1: There were indications that they were fighting over money and
32:50
Speaker 1: that they were having disagreements in that regard. Family has
32:54
Speaker 1: indicated specifically Susanne's sister indicated that there was complaints of
33:01
Speaker 1: the marriage and the health of the marriage. And then,
33:03
Speaker 1: of course there's the information that came out in the
33:06
Speaker 1: preliminary hearing about the daughter Macy saying that she should
33:10
Speaker 1: consider getting a restraining order against Barry and consider divorce.
33:15
Speaker 1: Is it true, Mike King that Barry more for you
33:18
Speaker 1: was quote shooting chipmunks the day before Suzanne goes missing.
33:22
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make any connection to that twenty
33:25
Speaker 1: two caliber round. Yeah. I think that's something the defense
33:29
Speaker 1: will have to jump onto and use it as a
33:31
Speaker 1: reason why that ends up in there. That's such a
33:35
Speaker 1: small round that it could easily get stuck in his
33:38
Speaker 1: pocket and get pulled out at some particular points, So
33:41
Speaker 1: they're going to have to put a reason for that
33:43
Speaker 1: being there. And there has been testimony that he was
33:45
Speaker 1: shooting a huge amount of squirrels in the area around
33:48
Speaker 1: the house and living in that Barmant country that Joe
33:53
Speaker 1: Scott talked about that's not uncommon at all for people
33:57
Speaker 1: to take a twenty two rifle out to shoot those
33:59
Speaker 1: ground squirrel. To Jessica Morgan, when we're talking about around, explain, Yeah,
34:05
Speaker 1: the around itself is a live bit of ammunition. That
34:09
Speaker 1: means that the actual casing, the copper, the copper jacket
34:13
Speaker 1: that people are the copper case that you see is
34:16
Speaker 1: intact still with the bullet in place, and that the
34:19
Speaker 1: black or that the powder is still in there the propellant.
34:22
Speaker 1: When we're talking about casings, most of the time, that
34:25
Speaker 1: means a spent round, it's been ejected, it's laying around.
34:28
Speaker 1: And to Mike's point, just a moment ago, if he
34:31
Speaker 1: has been varmint shooting like this, Nancy, and it's going
34:35
Speaker 1: all around the perimeter of the house, I would think
34:37
Speaker 1: that a simple sweep of this area with metal detector
34:41
Speaker 1: could probably confirm this. Unless he reloads, he would not
34:45
Speaker 1: be picking these rounds up. Potentially he'd be popping off
34:48
Speaker 1: rounds all over the place. You'd find these spent casings
34:51
Speaker 1: laying all over the ground outside of the home. I
34:54
Speaker 1: think that would be very interesting to follow up on
34:56
Speaker 1: as well. Did neighbors hear any shooting, Lawrence. Now, they
35:02
Speaker 1: have not said that at all in court that anyone
35:05
Speaker 1: heard anything. So nobody heard the shooting of the squirrels.
35:08
Speaker 1: And then I guess have to stand up on one
35:10
Speaker 1: leg on top of the bed to shoot a squirrel
35:12
Speaker 1: out in the window for the live MMO to be
35:15
Speaker 1: found beside her. A bid. The state is claiming that
35:19
Speaker 1: they believe very mooreph you chase Suzanne around the home
35:23
Speaker 1: with a dark gun, tranquilized her and ended up killing her.
35:29
Speaker 1: What did the defense say to that, Lauren Sharf? How
35:32
Speaker 1: are they going to refute the chasing with a dart
35:36
Speaker 1: gun theory? Well, they said the tranquilizer dart gun didn't work.
35:41
Speaker 1: They played, you know, the surveillance or not surveillance bodycam
35:46
Speaker 1: video of one of the deputees who was looking at
35:48
Speaker 1: the gun in the garage, and you know, he said,
35:52
Speaker 1: on the day he looked at it, it wasn't offerable,
35:54
Speaker 1: or it hadn't worked in quite some time, or it
35:57
Speaker 1: hadn't shot in quite some time. So that's one way
36:01
Speaker 1: that they said that. And then also they really wanted
36:06
Speaker 1: to clarify what was found in the dryer, and they
36:09
Speaker 1: also kind of implied that one of the investigators had
36:14
Speaker 1: placed it in the dryer because there was a sound
36:17
Speaker 1: of a clinking noise after the investigator had put his
36:22
Speaker 1: hands in the dryer. Wow, but isn't Mike Mike King?
36:27
Speaker 1: I thought he very Morphy himself said that he had
36:30
Speaker 1: shot at an animal with the dart gun. There was
36:34
Speaker 1: testimony I recall hearing where it was said that he
36:38
Speaker 1: told investigators that he'd used it to shoot a deer
36:43
Speaker 1: in hopes of being able to take and cut off
36:45
Speaker 1: the antlers off of the deer. So again the question becomes,
36:49
Speaker 1: its possible for deer where their antlers still on the
36:53
Speaker 1: head at that time of year. But that opens up
36:56
Speaker 1: other violations. Not only is that just incredibly humane for
37:00
Speaker 1: an animal that uses the tailors to defend itself, but
37:04
Speaker 1: that's against the law from at least all the laws
37:07
Speaker 1: I'm aware of. Can we can we just deal with
37:09
Speaker 1: a murder one charge before we go to the ant
37:12
Speaker 1: or in humane treatment charge? But when did he claim
37:16
Speaker 1: he used the dart gun? Do you know, Lauren? I mean,
37:19
Speaker 1: he would just say this. He didn't give it a
37:22
Speaker 1: specific time. He just was saying this to investigators when
37:25
Speaker 1: they were asking if you know he ever used the
37:28
Speaker 1: tranquilizer dart gun. So I guess, Nancy, I gotta say this.
37:32
Speaker 1: This whole idea that he used this gun, whether or
37:36
Speaker 1: not he used it, is kind of pointless. The fact
37:39
Speaker 1: is is that did he did he or did he
37:42
Speaker 1: not have functional live darts with tranquilizer in them. You
37:47
Speaker 1: can still use these things in order to take somebody
37:52
Speaker 1: down with it if you're using something like it's a
37:54
Speaker 1: very common tranquilizer. It's non opiate called zylene that you
37:58
Speaker 1: could use it. It's like al so relax or it
38:00
Speaker 1: makes people go to sleep, that sort of thing. So
38:03
Speaker 1: was this actually used? The fact that the conveyance of
38:06
Speaker 1: this thing didn't function like it was supposed to. I
38:09
Speaker 1: think going to the heart of it is did he
38:12
Speaker 1: have the darts in his possession? Could they be actuated
38:16
Speaker 1: or actually utilized without using the gun? Could he just
38:20
Speaker 1: take it, take the cap off and insert it into somebody.
38:23
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a question I'd have to ask
38:25
Speaker 1: somebody who's brighter than me to answer. My research online
38:29
Speaker 1: is that Mike Kane Jeffians pick up what I'm so sorry. Yeah,
38:32
Speaker 1: My research online is that that can manually be injected.
38:37
Speaker 1: It's it's the process of the explosion of the chemical
38:42
Speaker 1: through the dart into the person, and once that thing
38:45
Speaker 1: leaves the weapon, it's the same as a hand pushing
38:49
Speaker 1: it in. Once it hits and plunges in deep enough,
38:53
Speaker 1: it releases the chemical. So someone could manually do that.
38:56
Speaker 1: I've got to say, I think that's Wendy Patrick jumping in. Wendy,
38:59
Speaker 1: I've never had a case that I tried where a
39:02
Speaker 1: dart gun was used to tranquilize the human. So what
39:06
Speaker 1: were you trying to say? I hear what Mike King
39:08
Speaker 1: is saying, and I think he's correct. Yeah, I have
39:10
Speaker 1: never had a case like that either. But it occurs
39:12
Speaker 1: to me that if a dart gun is not nearly
39:15
Speaker 1: as loud as a different type of gun, that could
39:18
Speaker 1: be the first resort it would use if you intended
39:21
Speaker 1: to not leave any ear witnesses, commit a murder at
39:25
Speaker 1: your home and then take the body somewhere else, especially
39:28
Speaker 1: as Joe Scott said, in an area you go to
39:31
Speaker 1: get lost, I would say, or to hide evidence if
39:34
Speaker 1: that is your weapon of choice in the home, because
39:36
Speaker 1: it's not as loud, So whether or not it functioned,
39:39
Speaker 1: it could certainly be a piece of evidence that it
39:41
Speaker 1: was an option that was pursued even though it didn't work.
39:45
Speaker 1: And you know there's been DNA found in in Suzanne's
39:50
Speaker 1: car and on her bike, unknown DNA. How big of
39:56
Speaker 1: a deal is that, Joe Scott Morgan, Well, it's a
40:00
Speaker 1: big deal in the sense that someone else other than
40:03
Speaker 1: in her familial circle may have had contact with these items.
40:07
Speaker 1: The question is can they tied back to anybody specifically,
40:10
Speaker 1: if they're not on some kind of predator list that's
40:12
Speaker 1: out there, you're you know, you're whistling passing graveyard at
40:16
Speaker 1: that point, you're not gonna have a hoots hooting hell's
40:21
Speaker 1: chance to try to figure out who it is. I
40:23
Speaker 1: think that it could insert somebody else, certainly for the defense.
40:26
Speaker 1: It could insert somebody else into this dance that they're
40:30
Speaker 1: doing right now, and all these preliminary hearings holding just
40:32
Speaker 1: a moment, Doctor Jerry Cross, And if there's one person
40:35
Speaker 1: on that jury that falls for what Joe Scott Morgan
40:38
Speaker 1: was just saying, I know male DNA on her bike
40:41
Speaker 1: or in her car. For all I know is the
40:43
Speaker 1: car repairman from a month ago. It could be anybody.
40:47
Speaker 1: But if that place is doubt in one jurar's mind
40:50
Speaker 1: the state could lose. That's reasonable doubt enough. Yeah, definitely
40:54
Speaker 1: as a defense attorney about that, But go ahead, I
40:59
Speaker 1: think they would really highlight that, you know, drive that
41:02
Speaker 1: home and hope that one juror would find that as
41:05
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. You know, Wendy Patrick, do we have to
41:08
Speaker 1: find her body to go forward? As I know we
41:11
Speaker 1: don't have to legally, but as a practical matter to
41:15
Speaker 1: win the case, does the state need her remains? I
41:18
Speaker 1: don't think in a case like this where you have
41:20
Speaker 1: so much other circumstantial evidence. If there were a case
41:24
Speaker 1: where we had very little to go on, or there
41:25
Speaker 1: was very little that was found, including the evidence that
41:29
Speaker 1: appears to be the cover up evidence, I think maybe
41:32
Speaker 1: it would be a jury would want to see it.
41:34
Speaker 1: But here, I don't think that's where we are. Nancy,
41:36
Speaker 1: And I gotta ask you, Mike King. I find some
41:39
Speaker 1: of the most persuasive evidence to be the GPS evidence
41:42
Speaker 1: of his car and his truck. I mean, he goes
41:45
Speaker 1: out from one dump to the next, emptying trash five times.
41:50
Speaker 1: Is that on his way to the work site. All
41:53
Speaker 1: indications are that is on the way or once he
41:56
Speaker 1: reaches Broomfield, So during that whole period of time, and
42:00
Speaker 1: you're right, the GPS from the vehicle is going to
42:04
Speaker 1: be a satellite direction, where from the phone it's going
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Speaker 1: to be triangulating off the cell power, So the vehicle
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Speaker 1: GPS will be actually actually a little bit more accurate.
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Speaker 1: You know, I started our whole program today with cuts
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Speaker 1: on his hands and crocodile tears. I was talking about
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Speaker 1: cuts on morephew that looked like fingernail markings, and the
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Speaker 1: crocodile tears. Explain that my king, Well, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: You wonder if it's theatrics or true emotion. And the
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Speaker 1: prosecution witness testified that it seemed a little odd to him,
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Speaker 1: and so that's what I have to What was odd
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Speaker 1: just the theatrics and the large tears and the emotion
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Speaker 1: over this in the well placed emotion. But again I'm
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Speaker 1: just responding from what I've read and listened to. But
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Speaker 1: about it, Laurence Sharf, what are the crocodile tears that
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Speaker 1: they're talking about? Prosecution felt like he wasn't your typical
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Speaker 1: grieving husband. It was like he was putting on an
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Speaker 1: app when needed to. When he zeeded to like, you know,
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Speaker 1: when he first got to the scene, you know, the
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Speaker 1: question the immediate questions about there was a crash, where
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Speaker 1: was the crash, and not kind of finding asking, you know,
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Speaker 1: questions about where's my you know, how he found my wife?
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Speaker 1: Things like that that a typical grieving husband would would
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Speaker 1: ask um. And then they found you know, they didn't
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Speaker 1: photograph his arms with the cuts, you know, the the
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Speaker 1: barely healed cuts on them until Wednesday, and you know,
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Speaker 1: the under sheriff described them as fingernail marks on his
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Speaker 1: upper left arm, but then he said that they were
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Speaker 1: scratches from searching for Susanne in the woods. Well, the
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Speaker 1: defense is going to argue about crocodile tears. He's damned
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Speaker 1: if he does, and he's damned if he doesn't. If
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Speaker 1: he cries, they'll claim crocodile tears. If he doesn't cry,
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Speaker 1: they'll say, you're so coldhearted. You know what. We can
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Speaker 1: speculate all we want, but it all depends on what
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Speaker 1: a judge is going to do. The hearing will reach
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Speaker 1: resolution when the judge decides, will the case finally go
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Speaker 1: to a jury, and will bury more if you walk
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Speaker 1: free on bond, we wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: crime story, signing off goodbye friend,