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  Speaker 2: What's up, Sydney? Welcome to Pause Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor. I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 2: So this is the final stop on our hopefully just
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  Speaker 2: visiting tour. And in the week we've been gone from America,
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  Speaker 2: nothing has really happened that makes us want to go back.
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  Speaker 2: The president tried to arrest some members of Congress. The
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  Speaker 2: attorney general handled questions about Jeffrey Epstein by screaming about
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  Speaker 2: the stock market. The health and human services secretary declared
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  Speaker 2: war on donuts. And even though the Department of Homeland
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  Speaker 2: Security is shut down, the Secretary's deportation plane is reportedly
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  Speaker 2: still taking trips to Pound Town.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk about.
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  Speaker 1: That was a twist.
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  Speaker 2: It sure is. Making a stop. We'll talk about some
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  Speaker 2: of these stories tonight, as well as Barack Obama's comments
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  Speaker 2: on whether aliens are real and how Democrats can win
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  Speaker 2: them over.
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  Speaker 1: Uh... That's the secret plan to win the election.
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  Speaker 2: Then we're going to stage our very own debate about
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  Speaker 2: which Democrat is the best choice to be the nominee
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  Speaker 2: in 2028. So, yeah, something to look forward to. What
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  Speaker 2: did you say? Is that Newsom?
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  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's here. On his way back from Munich, stopped
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  Speaker 1: by here.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't miss a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Did somebody say Newsom?
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  Speaker 2: But we're going to start with the question that we
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  Speaker 2: keep getting asked everywhere we go on this trip, which is,
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  Speaker 2: will Donald Trump try to steal the midterm elections? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the outlook isn't great. As we were boarding our flight
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  Speaker 2: the other day, Trump went on one of his insane
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  Speaker 2: rants about voter ID. In this instance, it was about
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  Speaker 2: Democrats in Congress blocking the SAVE Act, which would require
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  Speaker 2: all Americans to present either their passport or their birth
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  Speaker 2: certificate in person at an elections office in order to vote.
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  Speaker 2: Trump isn't thrilled that this law is having trouble passing,
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  Speaker 2: so he wrote, quote, I have searched the depths of
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  Speaker 2: legal arguments not yet articulated or vetted on this subject
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  Speaker 2: and will be presenting an irrefutable one in the very
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  Speaker 2: near future. There will be voter ID for the midterm elections,
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  Speaker 2: whether approved by Congress or not. That same day, Secretary
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  Speaker 2: of Homeland Security Kristi Noem whose department has no role
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  Speaker 2: in administering federal elections in America, nevertheless held an election
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  Speaker 2: security event in Arizona. And here's what she said. When
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  Speaker 2: it gets to election day, that we've been proactive to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that we have the right people voting, electing
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  Speaker 2: the right leaders to lead this country.
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  Speaker 4: Can you offer us any good examples of this kind
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  Speaker 4: of fraud in Arizona?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure there's many of them, but we want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that we have... Yeah, that's right. So, Lovett,
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  Speaker 2: on one hand... really alarming. On the other hand, she
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  Speaker 2: really is stupid. So what do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think alarming and stupid has sort of been
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  Speaker 1: our decade. So I think she has no role in
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  Speaker 1: administering elections, as you pointed out. And we'll talk more
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  Speaker 1: about her other roles later. But what is clear is,
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  Speaker 1: why is she doing this? It's not because she has
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  Speaker 1: some secret knowledge about their plan to steal the election.
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  Speaker 1: She's doing this because she thinks this is what Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump wants to see her doing. This is a message
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  Speaker 1: event where she's trying to get headlines, doing the thing
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  Speaker 1: that she thinks is the kind of thing that Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump wants a cabinet secretary to be doing. Everything about
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  Speaker 1: what she does is about how it's going to look,
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  Speaker 1: the image, her own profile, keeping herself in Trump's favor.
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  Speaker 1: So what's alarming to me about this is you she's
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  Speaker 1: a clod and she's saying it in the most ham-fisted
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  Speaker 1: way possible. She's going beyond, I think, what even a
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  Speaker 1: Trump administration official would normally say. But it's revealing because
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  Speaker 1: she's saying what she believes Trump wants to hear. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's right. I don't think she's wrong about that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Tommy, as for the SAVE Act, which has passed the
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  Speaker 2: House but doesn't currently have enough votes to pass the Senate,
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  Speaker 2: Republicans are now toying with the idea of either eliminating
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  Speaker 2: the filibuster or if they can't get the votes for that,
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  Speaker 2: forcing Democrats to do a talking filibuster where they have
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  Speaker 2: to physically stand on the Senate floor and keep speaking
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  Speaker 2: indefinitely if they want to block the bill. What do
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  Speaker 2: you make of that threat? And is that a good
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  Speaker 2: idea for Republicans?
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  Speaker 3: So I genuinely find the focus on this confusing. I
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  Speaker 3: think what Republicans would say is it's a very popular
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  Speaker 3: piece of legislation. They say it's like an 80-20 issue,
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  Speaker 3: which might be true. But I think if you asked
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  Speaker 3: voters a separate question, which is like, okay, Republicans are
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  Speaker 3: going to blow up the U.S. Senate and the way
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  Speaker 3: it functions. Here's a menu of things they could do
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  Speaker 3: it on behalf of. People would say stuff like, well,
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  Speaker 3: let's make some jobs or like fix the economy or
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  Speaker 3: make health care more affordable and more housing and not
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  Speaker 3: not this. So moreover, like it's solving a fake problem.
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  Speaker 3: There is not an epidemic of non-citizens voting. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you guys have heard this, but in America,
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  Speaker 3: we can barely get our citizens to vote.
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  Speaker 1: Just a few minutes ago, we said Barack Obama was
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  Speaker 1: trying to get aliens to vote now. Changing your tune.
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  Speaker 3: Less than half the country turned out in the last
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  Speaker 3: midterm election. But this piece of legislation would create real
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  Speaker 3: hurdles for citizens to get registered. There's an organization called
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  Speaker 3: the Brennan Center, which is like nonpartisan voting rights activists.
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  Speaker 3: They said that like 21 million people could face added
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  Speaker 3: hardships because they didn't have easy access to the documents
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  Speaker 3: you would need to get registered, for example, like women
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  Speaker 3: who are recently married and changed their names might have
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  Speaker 3: to go through a bunch of hurdles. So it could
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  Speaker 3: hurt Republicans as much as Democrats. And I know Dan
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  Speaker 3: has dug into this. But regardless, if Republicans blow up
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  Speaker 3: the filibuster to pass the SAVE Act, then I think
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  Speaker 3: Democrats will almost certainly respond in kind. And that could
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  Speaker 3: mean when Democrats are in charge, passing universal mail-in ballots
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  Speaker 3: federally across the country, same-day registration, Hey, maybe we could
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  Speaker 3: take a page out of your book and do a
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  Speaker 3: little compulsory voting.
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  Speaker 1: I know you guys like that. Taxpayer-funded democracy sausages. Democracy sausage.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Democracy sausage with Bluey. You can't even get compulsory measles
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  Speaker 1: vaccines anymore. Well, baby steps.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, you could see Democrats passing other
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  Speaker 3: legislation that's not related to voting rights. So it seems
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  Speaker 3: it's a strange choice to me.
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  Speaker 2: Dan, how do you think Democrats should play it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's just.
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  Speaker 7: Worth explaining what this bill actually does. Like to register
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  Speaker 7: to vote in the United States, you can do it
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  Speaker 7: with only two documents, your passport or your birth certificate.
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  Speaker 7: And if you got married and changed your name, your
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  Speaker 7: birth certificate does not work. And so as Tommy points out,
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  Speaker 7: it's just worth noting. I think this is actually an
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  Speaker 7: argument to make to Republicans because we do not want
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  Speaker 7: this to happen. I can make a very compelling argument
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  Speaker 7: that this would actually help Democrats in the short.
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  Speaker 1: Term because our base.
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  Speaker 7: Is much more likely to be college educated and wealthy
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  Speaker 7: than One in four people who didn't go to college
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  Speaker 7: has a passport. One in five people who make less
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  Speaker 7: than $ 50, 000 has a passport. Conservative women changed their name
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  Speaker 7: after getting married at twice the rate of liberal women.
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  Speaker 1: It still sounded pretty good.
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  Speaker 7: But we also like democracy, and this would be the
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  Speaker 7: greatest step backwards, I think, in recent memory for voting
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  Speaker 7: in America. The millions of people would be disenfranchised by this.
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  Speaker 7: And that would, and the people most likely to be disenfranchised,
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  Speaker 7: the people whose voices need to be heard most in
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  Speaker 7: the system. And so I think we have to try
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  Speaker 7: to stop this. I think it is very possible they
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  Speaker 7: will consider finding some way to jam this through because
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  Speaker 7: Trump wants it. And it's worth noting most of these
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  Speaker 7: people are particularly stupid. And they don't recognize how bad
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  Speaker 7: this would be for them in the short term. And
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  Speaker 7: they are fully convinced because they get all their information
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  Speaker 7: from Fox News that there is this epidemic of non-citizen voting.
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  Speaker 7: All the studies show that it, comes out to 0.0001.
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  Speaker 7: of attempts. Not even people actually vote, but non-citizens attempting
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  Speaker 7: to vote. All the studies show it's not a thing
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  Speaker 7: that happens. And so we have to make a private
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  Speaker 7: argument because we don't want this to happen. But the
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  Speaker 7: public argument, I think, is really important. We want them
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  Speaker 7: to feel internal pressure to not do this. We want
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  Speaker 7: them to feel external pressure about what would happen.
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  Speaker 1: If they do do it.
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  Speaker 7: And I think the argument we want to make is
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  Speaker 7: that Donald Trump and Republicans want to pass this law
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  Speaker 7: because they want to make it harder for you to vote,
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  Speaker 7: to take away your power, so that billionaires, corporations, politically
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  Speaker 7: connected cronies, elites, the Epstein class are the ones who
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  Speaker 7: get to call the shots in our government, not you.
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  Speaker 7: I think we need to take this and put it
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  Speaker 7: into the context of our larger narrative about how Trump
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  Speaker 7: is helping elites, he's exploiting a broken system, how he's corrupt,
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  Speaker 7: instead of trying to make just a pure argument What's
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  Speaker 7: good for democracy argument? Because that has not worked out
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  Speaker 7: so well for us in recent years.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy because we are nine months from the midterm
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  Speaker 2: elections and the states administer federal elections. This thing passes.
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  Speaker 2: Just the amount of money and manpower it would take
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  Speaker 2: for every state to set up a verification system to
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  Speaker 2: make sure they're verifying people's passports and birth certificates. Half
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  Speaker 2: the country doesn't have passports. And you think the State Department,
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  Speaker 2: after they've cut as much of the State Department as
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  Speaker 2: they have, is going to start processing passports this quickly?
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  Speaker 1: They will for red states.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what's so nefarious about this is you've now
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  Speaker 7: taken the thing you need to vote as something the
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  Speaker 7: federal government controls whether you get or not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But even if they make it for red states, I
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  Speaker 2: think that the argument that red states are going to
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  Speaker 2: be hurt by this and Trump voters are going to
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  Speaker 2: be hurt by this is a good one to make
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  Speaker 2: because it's true. like they do this, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: disenfranchise a whole bunch of their own voters.
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  Speaker 1: Implementation will be a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: Disaster.
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  Speaker 1: It just will. Well, this is to register to vote, right?
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  Speaker 7: So there's a question about what happens if you are
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  Speaker 7: already registered, but online voter registration, gone. Mail-in voter registration,
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  Speaker 7: definitely gone. Automatic voter registration, gone. To vote right now
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  Speaker 7: under this bill, the only way to feasibly register to
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  Speaker 7: vote is to walk into an elections office bearing your
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  Speaker 7: passport or your birth certificate, which I'm sure you all
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  Speaker 7: have in your home, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Ridiculous. So speaking of Kristi Noem, we need to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the incredible Wall Street Journal story that shed some
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  Speaker 2: light on the long-rumored extramarital affair between the Homeland Security
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  Speaker 2: Secretary and her most powerful advisor, former Trump campaign manager
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  Speaker 2: Corey Lewandowski. So these two lovebirds have apparently been flying
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  Speaker 2: around on a taxpayer-funded deportation plane with a private fuck
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  Speaker 2: cabin in the back. what's going on there. Uh, they've
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  Speaker 2: also been using the department's massive budget to not only
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  Speaker 2: terrorize communities, but advance Gnome's presidential ambitions. And, uh, they've
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  Speaker 2: been firing any government officials who stand in their way,
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  Speaker 2: including apparently a Coast Guard pilot who committed the sin
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  Speaker 2: of accidentally leaving Gnome's blankie in the plane. Um, but
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  Speaker 2: then they had to hire him back because they had
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  Speaker 2: no other way to get home. Which tells you everything.
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  Speaker 1: Just, um... You can't fire the fucking pilot before you
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  Speaker 1: fly home.
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  Speaker 2: Get another fucking blanket also.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You're spending this much money on the plane and the
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  Speaker 2: cabin in the back. Have an extra blanket. Favorite anecdotes
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  Speaker 2: in this piece, guys? Anyone want to start?
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  Speaker 5: Tommy?
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  Speaker 3: So just two quick things about these individuals. So Kristi Noem,
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  Speaker 3: you guys have probably heard that she bragged about murdering
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  Speaker 3: her dog.
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  Speaker 1: You know that part? When she was governor of South Dakota,
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  Speaker 1: she also greenlit an anti-drug PSA with the tagline, meth, comma,
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  Speaker 1: we're on it.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the intellectual firepower on that part of the relationship.
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  Speaker 3: The other half of the tryst is a guy named
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  Speaker 3: Corey Lewandowski, who was Donald Trump's first campaign manager, who
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  Speaker 3: got busted lying about something in the media and had
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  Speaker 3: to testify in front of Congress about it. And he said, quote,
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  Speaker 3: I have no obligation to be honest with the media.
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  Speaker 3: That was a quote to Congress. So these are the
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  Speaker 3: people we're talking about. My favorite part of the story
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  Speaker 3: is about this guy, Corey Lewandowski, who desperately wants a
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  Speaker 3: gun and a badge because he is a five-year-old and
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  Speaker 3: he wants to be a sheriff for Halloween, apparently. And
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  Speaker 3: he is so hellbent on getting this gun and badge
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  Speaker 3: issued to him by DHS that he is fired or
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  Speaker 3: pushed out people at the department that tell him he's
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  Speaker 3: not allowed to do it. And the reason this is
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  Speaker 3: so surprising that he would care so deeply is he
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  Speaker 3: was arrested in 1999 for bringing a gun to his office,
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  Speaker 3: which was Congress, and he said he forgot that it
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  Speaker 3: was in his laundry bag.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking idiot. Also, he didn't get... Well, also.
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  Speaker 7: This is also my favorite anecdote. He used the auto
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  Speaker 7: pen to sign the permit to get the gun. Then
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  Speaker 7: he did not actually get the gun. People realized that
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  Speaker 7: maybe that was not a good idea. But he's been
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  Speaker 7: spotted wearing the badge around town.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he still got the badge. Do you think he
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  Speaker 1: wears the badge in the bedroom? In the back? I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to think about the roles they're playing. Cops
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  Speaker 1: and robbers. Cops and robbers. Yeah, like, the thing that, like,
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  Speaker 1: the desire that she seems to have to want to
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  Speaker 1: run for president and the fact that she is truly, like,
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  Speaker 1: she just isn't bright. Like, she's just not capable of
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  Speaker 1: putting together the pieces. Like, to me, when I, like,
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  Speaker 1: read the piece, what you take away from it is
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  Speaker 1: this is somebody that is trying to, like, gain, like,
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  Speaker 1: total control over this department but does not have the intellect, skills,
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  Speaker 1: capability of actually administering it. So it's creating problems all
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  Speaker 1: around her. And those problems are embarrassing both to her
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  Speaker 1: personally and to the president. And so she can only
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  Speaker 1: react by trying to fire people, hastily pull together conferences
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  Speaker 1: where she's standing in front of like pallets of supplies
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  Speaker 1: or like flying around the country trying to do press
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  Speaker 1: conferences to impress Donald Trump. But like everything she touches
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  Speaker 1: seems to turn to shit.
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  Speaker 2: She's overseeing a budget that is now the size of
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli militaries because ICE got all this funding. She is,
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  Speaker 2: according to this piece, using the budget or trying to
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  Speaker 2: use the budget to run hundreds of millions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: worth of ads to burnish her reputation. They were trying
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  Speaker 2: to use all the deportations and make sure that they
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  Speaker 2: film all the deportations, like all the cruel, awful deportation
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  Speaker 2: porn that the DHS is putting out on social media.
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  Speaker 2: This was originally conceived to help Kristi Noem's presidential ambitions.
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  Speaker 2: And then when they realized that this actually wasn't helping
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  Speaker 2: that much because they killed two Americans, then she decided
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  Speaker 2: to pivot to FEMA, to the Federal Emergency Management Association,
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  Speaker 2: and pay attention to that. And so she started going
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  Speaker 2: to like, even though she didn't care about that at first,
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  Speaker 2: she started going to all these press conferences. Although she
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  Speaker 2: told everyone when the winter storm was coming, don't say
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  Speaker 2: the word ice about the winter storm because you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to confuse it for the ice agency because that's
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  Speaker 2: not really popular right now. So that's what's going on
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  Speaker 2: at DHS right now, which is now shut down temporarily,
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  Speaker 2: I guess. because they don't want to accede to the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats' demands for ICE agents taking off their masks and
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  Speaker 2: following the law and the Constitution and making sure that
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  Speaker 2: they try to get a warrant before they break into
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  Speaker 2: people's homes.
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  Speaker 1: Their red line in negotiation is having warrants from judges,
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  Speaker 1: which is a problem because that's also a red line
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  Speaker 1: in the Constitution. So they're on the wrong side of
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  Speaker 1: a very bright red line. There's also a moment where,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and I forgot that this had happened, where It was
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: after the killing of Alex Preddy. They're at a cabinet meeting.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: And in those meetings where Trump goes from person to person,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: getting them to praise him, he skipped over Kristi Noem
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: in the meeting, which is basically like getting a kiss
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: on the cheek from fucking Al Capone, you know?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: But she's still got a job. He hasn't fired her yet.
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: Well, it's just worth honing in on just how fucking
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: banana it is that he gave her this job to
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: begin with. His number one priority is immigration. This is
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: one of the most powerful, biggest agents in the world.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: He picks someone who has no experience in immigration. She's
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: the governor of South Dakota. I spent a lot of
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: time in South Dakota politics. The only immigration in South
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: Dakota you worry about is people sneaking across the Minnesota border.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: It is... The South Dakota budget.
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: The DHS budget is nine times larger than the state
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: of South Dakota's budget. And the DHS workforce is 20
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: times larger than the South Dakota state employees.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: Like, she's so in over her head over this. And
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: he only gave it to her because his former campaign manager, who...
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: is her alleged boyfriend, and wants to be her alleged
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: campaign manager, she wants her president, convince him to do so.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: First dude. First dude. I think he's second dude.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: And I think he knows that Stephen Miller is really
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: in charge of the Department of Homeland Security, and I
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: think that Stephen Miller, I know, and I think Miller
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: probably likes the fact that he's got a dummy running
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: DHS that will do whatever he says, and he wouldn't
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: want someone that was, like, pushing back and being competent
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and trying to run the thing.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the, like, the core mistake is, like, she was
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: so focused on getting attention and getting press that she
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: is the one that was driving the sensationalist coverage, the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: big glossy fucking raids, the helicopters. She's the one that
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: goes down to Seacott and stands there with a gold
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Rolex on her wrist. She's the one that wants Bovino.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And all of that has like, back on them so terribly.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So she's just tarred from this. But she's not the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: one deciding how many people they're trying to deport. That
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: is the administration's policy. She's not doing good PR for them.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: But Stephen Miller is the reason they have a mass
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: deportation policy. And They can gussy it up. They could
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: swap out Bovino for Tom Homan. If you're trying to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: deport millions of people, you're going to be deporting people
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that are just here to do work and do jobs.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: There's not enough criminals in the world for them to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: round up. And so they'll put like a, you know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: they'll try to kind of have her be the fall
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: person for this. But they're doing what the White House
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: wants them to be doing. Glad to have someone look
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: terrible while doing it for them.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: We will be back with more news right after this.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Australia and America, separated by an ocean, but bound by history.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: We both rejected the British crown, some of us more
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: than others. And we rid ourselves of their fussy, uptight accents,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: instead choosing to let our vowels do whatever. In many ways,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: we both take pride in being wild countries with larger-than-life
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: people and political mayhem to match, which is why it's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: time for a game we're calling Ar-Nar, What a Shitshar!
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: LAUGHTER American and Australian political controversies and scandals. Okay, here's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: how it's going to work. I'm going to come out there.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I have questions for all of you about American mayhem.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I have questions for my best boys about Australian political mayhem.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And we will see who knows each other's countries better. Okay?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Everybody ready?
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: To be clear, we are learning the name of this game,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: the substance of it, all of this for the first time.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: They truly have no idea what these questions are. They
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: are learning this in real time. Genuinely, it has been
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: kept from them all day.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Who would like to answer a question for Australia? I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: would like no expats, please. I better hear the fucking accent.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I came a long way. All right. Your hand went up.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I'm coming all the way up. Here we go. Hi,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: what's your name? Wait, who raised their hand? Oh, hi,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: what's your name? Olivia. Olivia. Where are you from?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Sydney.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Cool. All right. In 1979, U.S. President Jimmy Carter was
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: vacationing near his home in Plains, Georgia, when he used
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a canoe paddle to defend himself against an attacker who
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: had managed to penetrate his Secret Service perimeter. Who was
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: that attacker? Was it A, a crazed member of the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: infamous Manson family, B, a swamp rabbit, C, a right-wing
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: militiaman from a nearby compound, or D, a white-tailed American deer?
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Okay. So.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Wow. So you're saying B, a swamp rabbit. That's correct.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: It was a swamp rabbit. In what became known as the, quote,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: killer rabbit attack, said one Carter Stafford to the Times,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the president was swinging for his life. Here is a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: piece that ran about the incident in the Washington Post,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: illustrated with a parody poster for Paws. Now, here's something interesting.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Only one photo of the incident exists. The Carter White
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: House refused to release it. But when Ronald Reagan took office,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: his administration released the rabbit files.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: LAUGHTER Nice.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: We show here Jimmy Carter splashing. Over there on the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: right is the rabbit. Only one photo exists of him
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: trying to keep the rabbit at bay. All right, now.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Bad Bunny. Bad Bunny.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: All right. John Dan Tommy, the Harold Holt Memorial Swimming Center.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: is a pool in Melbourne, Australia. It is named in
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: honor of Prime Minister Harold Holt after he unexpectedly passed
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: in 1967. How did he die? Was he A, bitten
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: by the deadly Sydney funnel web spider while on a bushwalk?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Was it B, a heart attack while traveling from Canberra
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: to Tasmania? Was it C, drowned while swimming in rough
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: surf off Cheviot Beach in Victoria? Or D, stung by
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the Irukandji jellyfish inadvertently added to marine aquarium at the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: opening of the since-demolished Manly Sea Life Sanctuary? C. It
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: is C. You people... named a swimming pool after a
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: prime minister who drowned.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Follow up. There has long been a conspiracy theory that
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Harold Holt did not die in the water that day.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: What is the most prominent alternate theory? Is it A,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: he was abducted by aliens, B, he faked his own
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: death to start a new life in America, C, he
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: actually died in a motel with a prostitute, or D,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: he was grabbed by the Chinese? C. C. C. C?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: No.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It's D. The Chinese got him? The Chinese got him?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: The theory is that he was in fact a Chinese
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: spy who escaped Australia on a Chinese submarine. How many
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: people here believe that? Wow, a lot of hands. That's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: why you need AUKUS. That's why you need AUKUS. You
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: got to defend yourselves. You don't want those French diesel submarines. Now,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: his widow, Zara Holt, had to refute this allegation. What
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: did she say to deny that her husband was a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Chinese spy? Someone called it out. She scoffed and said
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: her husband didn't even like Chinese food. All right. Let's
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: come up here. Who here would like to answer a question? Hi,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: what's your name? Margaret. Margaret. That's a thick... Where are
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you from? I'll give you the accent. Where are you from?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I'm from Bexley North. How far is that from here?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: That's half an hour's drive. Because my understanding is the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: further you get from here, the thicker the accent. Is
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that about right? Okay. Depends which direction. I guess out
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to sea, it gets less. In 1992, President George H.W.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Bush attended a state dinner hosted by the Japanese Prime Minister.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: What went wrong? Do you know? I can give you clues.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Was it A, he fell asleep during the prime minister's toast?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Was it B, he accidentally insulted the emperor? Was it C,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: he tried to open a ceremonial urn that was in
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: fact 3,000 years old, cracking it in several places? Or D,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: did he vomit into the prime minister's lap and faint?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: What do you think? He vomited into the prime minister's
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: lap and fainted. That's correct. Nailed it. Yep. George Bush
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: had a chunder. How's that?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: That picture is so bad. It really is. What is
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Barbara doing? Barbara, I'll tell you what Barbara Bush is doing.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: She's being a first lady because she did not care
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: if he lived or died. She was going to hide
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: his face. She looks like she's trying to snuff him out.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: She really, she doesn't, it's, she jumped. If you watch
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the video, everybody, she jumps in. She jumps in. Like
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: she dives like in front of a bullet for, for George. Well,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: in a sense, but that's cool. It's cool.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Uh, All right, John, Dan, Tommy. Former Australian Prime Minister
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Bob Hawke held a Guinness World Record. Before entering politics,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: what was it for? Was it A, most sausages eaten
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: at a cricket match? B, longest continuous speech on the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: floor of parliament? C, fastest consumption of a yard of beer?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Or D, longest distance swum in open water, not including Holt?
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Dan?
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: What do.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: You think?
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Speech?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I have no clue. Don't look at me. Do you
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: want to weigh in here, John? Hey, stop helping them.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Look how handsome they are. They've already been so blessed.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Pounding beer? That's correct. Good.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: The fastest consumption of a yard of ale, 2.5 pints.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: He did it in about 11 seconds. A record he
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: set while studying in Oxford. Hawk later said, this feat
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: was to endear me to some of my fellow Australians
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: more than anything else I ever achieved. Here, we have
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a video of him later.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Look at that. Look at that. Gets that whole thing down.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Look at this guy. There's a torso.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: American politicians take note. I know, really.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Follow up. All right. Future Prime Minister Paul Keating was
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Hawke's treasurer. He recalled arriving for a meeting with the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: PM in a full suit, sweating, to find Hawk in
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: what condition? How did they find him? It was a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: hot summer day.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Passed out?
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: Nope.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Naked?
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Naked by the pool, he was naked for their meeting.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like that one probably feels less endearing over time, right?
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Speaking of seeing members in unexpected places, who in the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: audience would like to go next? I'll come up there.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Someone raise their hand. Someone raise their hand. I'm coming
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: over here. Okay.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Hi. Hi.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: What's your name? Elizabeth. Elizabeth. In 2007, Republican Senator Larry
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Craig of Idaho was arrested for lewd conduct in a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: men's bathroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. accused of
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: soliciting sex from an undercover officer in the next stall.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: He pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct and tried to withdraw
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the plea. What was his public defense? Was it A,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: he was reaching under the stall divider to pick up
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a fallen piece of paper? He was tapping his foot. B,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to the music on his headphones. C, he just has
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a wide stance. Or D, he thought the person in
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the next stall was having a medical emergency. No, you
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: got it wrong. It was C, he had a wide stance.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Wide stance.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Here he is at the press conferences with his poor,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: sad wife. Do you guys remember that? Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: That didn't make it to Australia. Do you guys know
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: about this? Wow. It was bleak. It was pretty bleak.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: There had been a reporter that had been traveling around
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: trying to find evidence that Larry Craig had done this
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: at other places throughout D.C. Did he get off? I'm
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: not sure. I mean, not that day. Follow-up, what happened
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: after he announced his intention to resign? He just didn't.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: He just never left. Just stayed till the end of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: his term. All right, for John, Dan, and Tommy, on
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the 30th of November of 2022, the Australian House voted
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to censure former Prime Minister Scott Morrison. Why they don't... Boo!
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Why was he censured? A, for secretly holding multiple ministerial
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: positions while serving as prime minister. B, for his handling
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of the AUKUS submarine deal with the United States. C,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: for his missteps during the COVID vaccine rollout. Or D,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: for vacationing in Hawaii during the country's catastrophic bushfires.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: All of them?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I thought it was for shitting his pants in McDonald's drive-thru.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: There it is.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: There it is.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: We thought it was for shitting his pants at the McDonald's.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Was it all of them?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Actually, it could have been. It could have been, but
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: it wasn't technically. They're all true, but only one was
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the reason he was censured.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: Hawaii?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: No, it actually wasn't. It was for secretly.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Holding multiple ministerial positions.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: How many extra jobs did he secretly have? It was five.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: It's like Marco Rubio.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: He was the health minister, the finance minister, the resources minister,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the home affairs minister, and the treasurer. Now, I have
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a question for the crowd. Okay, you censored Scott Morrison.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Why did your governor general not get any fucking shit
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: for secretly signing off on this? Why do you never
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: come for the king's representatives? Why didn't you? Where's the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: censure for that guy?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: He's been on this the whole trip. He hates this
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Governor General.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I hate this Governor General thing. You're a proud people
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: here in Australia. Get rid of the fucking crown. It's outrageous.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: This is a one of the greatest cities in the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: fucking world. Look what you're building all around you. You
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: still check with the king to make sure it's okay?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Some thick-fingered, inbred freak in London? Finish your revolution, please.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Donald Trump's our president. You know? Yeah.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I know. It makes me so sad. All right. Follow-up, John, Dan, Tommy.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Scott Morrison did face a massive scandal for vacationing during
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the Black Summer bushfires that killed 33 people directly, hundreds
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: more indirectly as a result of smoke. What were some
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of the criticisms he faced? A, his office did not
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: notify the public who was acting prime minister. B, his
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: office initially denied he was on holiday in Hawaii. C,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: for saying, thankfully, we've had no loss of life while
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: visiting Kangaroo Island where two people had died Or D,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: for saying before he'd even made it back to Australia
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: from his trip, quote, I don't hold a hose, mate,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and I don't sit in a control room. This feels
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: like an all of the above situation. All of the above.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: All right. Who over here, who wants to answer a
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: question about America? You're pointing at people. All right. Where's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that Australian confidence? All right. Hi, what's your name?
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Rachel.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Rachel. Texas Republican. Where are you from? Kangaroo Valley. Woo!
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: You guys have a local cheer? Yeah. How far is
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: that from here? Like two hours if you go fast.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: By kangaroo. By kangaroo. There's Americans, you know, we really
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: kind of, the kangaroo looms large in the child's mind
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: for an American, and I think every American child becomes
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: an adult when we find out that the pouches are gross.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Yeah, they're gross.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Well, you know more about wombats.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Do you know that wombats poop are cubes?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Cool. They don't know why? No one knows why it's
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: a cube. That woman thinks she knows. All right. She
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't know. She's a fucking liar. All right. Texas Republican
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Ted Cruz faced his own vacation scandal for flying to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Cancun during winter storm Yuri, which knocked out powerful millions
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: of Texans and killed an estimated 246 people. He initially
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: blamed his daughters, saying he was chaperoning them on a
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: trip they'd asked for, but that was later shown to
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: be false. How was it proven to be false? Was
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: it A, his daughters did an Instagram Live to refute
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the allegation? Was it B, their neighbors leaked the group
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: chat Was it C, he actually forgot his daughters at home,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Home Alone style, or D, Ted Cruz emailed the proposed
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: itinerary to Jeffrey Epstein? That's incorrect. It was the group chat.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always the group chat.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: It's always the group chat. The leaked group chat showed
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: that Heidi Cruz had organized the trip, inviting others to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: join them at the Ritz. When asked about the leaked text,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Ted Cruz called his neighbors assholes. All right, John, Dan, Tommy, Johnny. Oh,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: there he is. There's Ted.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: There is Ted.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Nice mask. Nice mask. Johnny Depp and his then-wife Amber
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Heard brought their two Yorkshire terrors into Australia without a
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: quarantine declaration. Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce issued a public threat.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: What was that threat? Was it A, a $ 100, 000 fine
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: per dog, B, Depp had to film a public apology
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: video or face prosecution. C, leave or I kill the dogs.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Or D, Depp was banned from entering Australia for five years.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: What do you think? What did Barnaby Joyce threaten Johnny Depp? Pre-cancellation,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Johnny Depp.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Jack Sparrow.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I remember this because there was like helicopter footage of
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: the house.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Where they were staying. It was like a big deal.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: It was a big deal. It was a big deal.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Those Yorkies.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: You think it's the jail or the band?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Kill the dogs?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Good job.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: The dogs would be euthanized within 72 hours if Depp
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: didn't take them out of the country. Mr. Depp has
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: to either take his dogs back to California or we're
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: going to have to euthanize them. The dogs were flown out.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Depp later insulted Joyce by saying he looked like he
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: was inbred with what vegetable? You guys remember? Shout it. Tomato.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Look at him. I think we read in that.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I think we read in that artificially. I think that's fair.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Point to Johnny Depp on that one. Yeah, Johnny Depp
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: got him real good. America, our cars are as generous
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: as our asses, and our roads, like our hearts, are
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: enormous and clogged. According to a recent study in an
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: American medical journal that somehow is still operating, in both
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the U.S. and Australia, we now get more than half
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: of our calories from ultra-processed foods. Now, it wasn't that
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: long ago that Michelle Obama led a campaign to encourage
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Americans to eat healthier foods and get more exercise. At
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the time, Republicans said you could pry the cheese doodles
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: from their cold, dead, weak, bloated hands. But all that
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: has changed because now we're making America healthy again as
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: only the Trump administration knows how by fucking it up completely.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And so it's time for OK Stop. We'll start with
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: a man, a donut, and a surprise special appearance by
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: an infamous athlete. What do you think he's doing? Processed
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: food kills.
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: Remember that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: That is what is happening in America.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: War on donuts.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: He looks so genuinely pissed. Like, that slap does not
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: seem like a staged slap. Do you guys know who
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson is? He's the scariest motherfucker to walk this
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: planet in whenever it was that he was at his prime.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: And not one of our most upstanding Americans either.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: No.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess when he... Technically, Evander Holyfield's ear
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: is not processed. No, that's true. That is true, yes.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: That's farm to table, baby.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: There's no joy in that look he's giving us right now.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Well, he fucking hates donuts. He hates donuts.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: It is just wild that they have declared war on donuts.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Because can you imagine if, well, Michelle Obama tried to
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: tell people to eat healthy, and she was roundly criticized
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: by the Republican Party.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Imagine the outcry if some bisexual female soccer player did
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a press conference and knocked a donut out of AOC's
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: hand and said, we're not eating these anymore. It would
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: just lead Fox News for the rest of our fucking lives. Lives, yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: This just came and went. One day, people barely registered.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: It was on the Super Bowl.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the other one was, yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Also, if you're, let's say you're just taking this generous,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: like you're just taking this at face value. Like what?
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: You don't know. If you're like, who is being persuaded
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to not eat a donut by this advertisement?
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: No one.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Like fear of physical violence. That man will come to
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: your house. Next up, milk, you know, from cows. Trump
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: can tell you all about it. Specifically whole milk. And
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: we'll let him explain.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: I open a refrigerator and say, milk with rice and
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: milk with water and milk with everything.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: And I say, what kind of milk is it?
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: That's what I like right there. It's actually a legal definition,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: whole milk. And it's whole with a W for those
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: of you that have a problem. Most of the media
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: will get that.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: What is the problem? What problem would they have with
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: the milk with an H? With a W?
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: I think this is the first time he discovered that.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I genuinely do.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I think today was the day he learned that whole,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: meaning the entirety of the item, is not the same
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: as whole in the ground.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Also, he opens the fridge and sees milk, and he
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: doesn't think that would go well with a delicious cookie
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: or some cereal.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: He thinks it pairs with rice.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: What I think is he is just discovering alternative milks,
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: and he doesn't know what they are.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: So it's like oat milk, almond milk, soy milk. Milk
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: with rice.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Rice milk?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he thinks it's rice milk. Yeah, I
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: just think he's confused.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: What?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: Because then he goes, because this is the one I
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: like right here, and he points at the jug of
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: milk that is off camera.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I realized while watching this video, Trump is so disconnected
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: from normal life. Like, forget not driving a car or
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: going to a supermarket. Does he open fridges? Like, does
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: he know what happened? Like, does he ever, like maybe
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: other than a drink fridge, like a compact drink fridge
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: filled with Diet Cokes. No, someone brings him a Diet Coke.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: He presses a button. He's not doing that himself. So
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: he doesn't open a fridge and look for food to eat.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: He presses the Diet Coke button.
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: So I don't think he's thinking. I think he thinks
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: in fridges is rice.
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: I also think he probably has not had milk in
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: any form in 70 years.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: No cereal, no glass of milk, no milk in your coffee.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think he drinks coffee.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: He washes down the cookies with Diet Coke, for sure.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that part's cool.
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, this also is that this was the executive
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: order to allow people to drink raw milk.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Which has cow shit in it, as far as I
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: can tell.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just the natural selection will kick in, presumably at
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: some point, drinking raw milk straight from the udder.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: He's not drinking it, that's for sure.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Of course, with Trump, as always, best do as he says,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: but not as he does, because as RFK Jr. has observed,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: he eats like there's no tomorrow. Who has the most
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: unhinged eating habits?
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: The president. He eats really bad food, which is McDonald's,
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: and then, you know, can't eat. And Diet Coke. But
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: he drinks Diet Coke all the time. He is a
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: constitution of a deity. I don't know how he's alive.
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: If you travel with him, you get this idea that
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: he's just pumping himself with poison all day long.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: From your mouth to God's ears. What I like about this, though,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: is like, is there no part of this that causes
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: RFK Jr. to question his priors?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: There's Donald Trump in his late 70s, like boundless energy,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: eating nothing but French fries and burnt ground beef all day,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: every day. Nothing but aspartame, Diet Coke. And he's like
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: running a mile a minute around the sky. Meanwhile, RFK Jr.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: never doesn't seem like he's on the verge of collapse.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Having nothing but like kimchi and raw milk.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: He's.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Ferments. Yeah, ferments. Kimchi, among other ferments.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Pumping himself full of poison all day long.
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's also just worth just mentioning what this
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: is all about, right? The donut thing, RFK Jr. here,
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: the raw milk is the Make America Healthy Again movement,
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: which has taken over large parts of our politics. The
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: fact that all of these wellness people ended up as
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: Republicans is like a massive failure of the Democratic Party.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Big time. Yeah.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: Well, the, just like the person who is the primary,
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: like the number one food influencer in America, this woman
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: named food, babe, that's her. She, she was sat behind
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: RFK junior at his confirmation hearings. She was an Obama
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: delegate in 2008, 2012.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: And just, we, even though like we have led on
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: this stuff, we just like stop talking to these people and.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't give them, we wouldn't give them raw milk.
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: We wouldn't.
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: Well, they, the people like RFK junior pushed them into the, like,
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: Like the algorithm will take you on a journey from
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: like healthy.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Vaccine skepticism is where I think it takes you there.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: We want our raw milk and we want measles.
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: Well, it starts, it starts with like, how do I
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: get like chemical free sunscreen for my kids? Or how
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: do I, you know, how to feed my kids healthy?
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: And the algorithm takes you and then you're at vaccine skepticism,
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: you're at raw milk, then you're supporting Donald Trump. And
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: the thing that's crazy is like, is that all of this,
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: like eating, not eating processed foods, that's a good thing, right?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Donuts are kind of delicious, but that's not the point.
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: But that doesn't do you any good if you have
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: an administration that just lets chemical companies pollute your air
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: and water.
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Like, as we've seen in a few, like, this is,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: to me, a good example, too. Like, there was a
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: long-running failure of the establishment to address, like, legitimate concerns
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: about the chemicals in our foods and the proliferation of
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: processed foods. There were no consequences for switching to skim milk. Like, look,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: there's good reasons for people to not be drinking whole
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: milk every fucking day. But like we cut fat from
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: all kinds of foods and then America gained a trillion
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: pounds and like we're paying a huge price for it now.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: And this now, like this, there is real reason for
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: people to be like, wait a second, why didn't we
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: address some of these things? Why didn't we pull some
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: of these chemicals out? Of course, these people are also
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: going after, like what is a threat to our planet?
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: It's not an occasional donut. People should have a fucking donut.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: It's fucking measles. It's measles. It's measles.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But even on the chemicals in the food, they have
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: done absolutely nothing on the regulatory front.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: They've made it worse.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: They've made it worse.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: And so it's all just about personal responsibility.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a public service message from Mike Tyson.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Telling you to get the donut out of your mouth.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just forever chemicals all the way down.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And you have the president not leading by example.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Which is cool. Yeah. And yes, who better to take
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: health advice from than RFK Jr., a man who always looks, sounds,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and acts like he's the sole survivor of a cruise
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: ship sinking and was just rescued from a life raft
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: found on the open seas.
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: I'm not scared of a germ. You know, I used
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: to snort cocaine off of toilet seats.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop. Again, I.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Just, I want to know the situation where he was
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: snorting the cocaine off the toilet seat.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: We're presuming he spilled cocaine on the toilet seat.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: That was what I've been saying. I think that he
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: spilled it on the toilet seat. He says plural. Yeah, well,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: maybe it happened a couple times.
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: He needed a flat surface in the Studio 54 bathroom?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: So many other flat surfaces besides the toilet seat.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: The floor, the tank, his keys.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, credit cards.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe he likes to cut his cocaine with butt. Maybe
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: there's something thrilling about it, something dangerous and exciting about it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: snorting cocaine off a toilet seat. Don't knock until you
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: try it, Dan. Sorry, what was that? Anyway, this is
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the person in charge of public health. A man who
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't really worry about germs because of the places he
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: used to do cocaine.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: The donut will kill you, though.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, watch out for the donut. Watch out for a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: little sugar and frosting after, you know, a little treat
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Go fuck yourself. Fuck yourself.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: And that's okay, stop.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: All right, so there's no shortage of Democratic leaders sounding
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: off about what the party should be doing right now.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Our old boss, Barack Obama, just sat down for an
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: interview with our good friend Brian Tyler Cohen, which is
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: making waves mostly for this exchange.
• 50:06
  Speaker 8: Are aliens real?
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: They're real, but... But I haven't seen them, and they're
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: not being kept in, what is it? Area 51. Area 51.
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: There's no underground facility, unless there's this enormous conspiracy, and
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: they hid it from the President of the United States.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: What was the first question you wanted answered when you
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: became President?
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: Where are the aliens?
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Where are the aliens? So.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: So for some reason that we can talk about, Obama
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: after this took the rare step of clarifying what he
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: meant there in a follow-up post. I can't remember him
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: ever doing this. Where he said that he was, quote,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: just trying to stick with the spirit of the speed round.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Which has always been a passion of his.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Yes. And all he meant was that, quote, statistically the
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: universe is so vast that the odds are good there's
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: life out there. But that, quote, I saw no evidence
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: during my presidency that extraterrestrials had made contact with us. Period.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Period. That should clear things up, I think. Tommy, you've
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: been privy to more highly classified government secrets than the
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: rest of us. What do you think's going on here?
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: You buying his answer? Did someone get to him?
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering that too.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't want to disappoint the kind
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: of X-Files ancient alien stands out there.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: That's what I expect you to say.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I do not think that Barack Obama was
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: just sort of like casually confirming the existence of aliens.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: in the 44th minute of a 47-minute YouTube interview in
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: the speed round. I love Brian. He's actually a dear
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: friend of mine. I don't think Obama gave him the
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: scoop of the century in the speed round of the interview.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: I think what he's referencing there is, Lubbock can get
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: into this too, the Drake equation. The universe is very large.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of stars. There's even more planets. Many
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: of them may be habitable. You do a little math, dipsy-do,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: probably some life out there. Maybe they're too far away
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: to contact them. Maybe they came and went and we're
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: all in different eras.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: We don't know. Now, maybe I'm an unwitting tool of
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: the deep state.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe you want us to think that.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: The deep state is deeper than we ever could have imagined.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: But mostly what I learned in government is I believed
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: less and less in conspiracy theories like this because people
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: can't keep a secret.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: And shit leaks constantly.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: And if Donald Trump knew that aliens existed, he would
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: have monetized it by now.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: There would be an alien crypto coin. They would never
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: tell him. Yeah, they would never tell him. There's three possibilities.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: There are aliens, and they didn't tell Barack Obama. There
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: are aliens, and they didn't tell Barack Obama. Or there
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: are aliens, and they did tell Barack Obama, but they
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: didn't tell Donald Trump.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump would not have been able to keep it secret.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually... It wasn't until he put out the
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: clarifying statement that I was convinced in my bones that
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: there are aliens and... Barack Obama knows about them 100%.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Of all the things to clarify, have you ever in
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: a decade seen him clarify something like this? I know
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: exactly what happened here.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: He went from having an entire White House comms office
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: to one guy who was like, I'm so sick of
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: dealing with the incoming calls on this shit. Let's just
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: get an Instagram up and do it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Spokesman for the deep state, Tommy Vitor.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: It was a fast clarification, too. We're like 24 hours
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: out of that interview.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: When I said yes, what I actually meant was I
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: actually read something about Fermi's paradox and.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Obama also had some thoughts on the more earthly
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: challenges that we're facing, particularly what the Democratic Party is facing,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: and he talked a lot about that in this interview.
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: At some point, you age out. You're not connected directly
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: to the immediate struggles that folks are going through. Democrats
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: do well when we have candidates who are plugged into
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: the moment, to the zeitgeist, to the times, and the
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: particular struggles that folks are thinking about as they look
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: towards the future rather than look backward toward the past.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: Voters are not going to agree with us 100% on everything.
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: And so it is not a sellout. It's not a
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: betrayal to say that we're going to shape our agenda
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: and our message in a way that allows us to
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: build a working majority to get stuff done. And I
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: think particularly around social issues, sometimes we get confused around this.
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: Our long-term goals have to be driven by our values
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: and and our core beliefs and our ethics and our morals,
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: and the sense that every person counts. And short term,
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: we got to win elections. They are doing such crazy
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: stuff that it shouldn't be hard for our side to
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: coalesce around the areas where we agree on and focus
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: on that. That is going to happen if we are
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: effective in winning the midterms. If we then have a
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: robust primary for who's going to be the next Democratic president,
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: we shouldn't be afraid of having a robust debate.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: So... Dan, at the beginning there, he was talking about
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Democrats needing younger candidates. And he said he didn't have
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: a hard and fast rule, but that perhaps the party
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: should look to younger candidates.
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: Perhaps.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: He was trying... You were in college during the Dust Bowl.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: He was trying to be as polite as possible there,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: but that's what he was referencing. What did you think
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: about his answer there?
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Well, it's obviously true, right?
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: I mean, you can trace almost all of the problems
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: the Democratic Party and, frankly, the country have had over
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: the last decade by the fact that the Democratic Party
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: has been led by establishment politicians in their 70s, right?
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: And that comes in two forms.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: One... Three forms, actually.
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: The first one Obama makes is a really important point,
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: which is the longer you've been in politics, the more
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: detached you are from the everyday struggles of people. Obama
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: used to tell us in 2008 that if he had
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: lost that election, he would not really be able to
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: run again four years later because he would have been
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: so removed from what gave him real power was that
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: he and Michelle had just finished paying off their student
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: loans at that point. It had only been a couple
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: years earlier they were struggling to make their mortgage. He
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: knew what it was like to struggle. If you've been
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: in politics for 20, 30, 40, 50 years, you just
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: don't know that, right? Second, We say all the time
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: that politics is downstream from culture, and that's kind of
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: a trite saying, but it is true in that you
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: need candidates who are connected to the cultural zeitgeist, who
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: can understand, who can relate to people, who can communicate
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: about things other than just policy issues that relate to people.
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: Obama was great at that. Our last couple nominees have
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: not been great at that. And then the third thing
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: is you need someone, a younger person is inherently going
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: to be better at communicating in the modern way. Someone
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: who knows how to communicate and how people communicate now.
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: They understand TikTok, Instagram, YouTube.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: They understand memes.
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: They just can do it in a way that if
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: you've been in politics for 30, 40 years, you cannot.
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: Joe Biden did not understand one single bit of how
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: people communicated now, and that was a huge detriment. Now,
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: I think there's one thing important here, which is young
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: people are more likely to do those things. They're certainly
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: more likely to be culturally connected to be like maybe
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: even cool, but it's not a guarantee that all younger
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: people are. JD Vance is very young and he is
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: a fucking goober.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Good point. Yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: It is though, it is a function of not just age,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: but the amount of time you've been in Washington. I
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: do think that is a really good point because when
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: you spend your life in Congress or you spend your
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: life in Washington and like you just, you have a
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: different lifestyle than most people in the country. And even
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: if you got there knowing exactly how people in your
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: district or where you're from are living, like you just
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: lose touch with that after a while and you see
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: that with people in Congress. Like that's what the way,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: That's the one exception.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: He is the exception.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I've said this because of Bernie, actually. Bernie's lifestyle, when
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: he goes back to Vermont, is very much the same.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: He's still very much connected with the life that he
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: had before. And so I don't think it's impossible to
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: be in public service for a long time and lose
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: touch completely, but you still have to work at it.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: And I think Bernie proves the exception to the rule
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: right there. Love it. Do you agree with Obama on
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: the value of the intra-party fighting and the robust debate,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: as he said?
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Yes. It is absolutely true that I think the Democratic
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Party that emerged from the primaries in 2007-2008 was a
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: stronger Democratic Party. I think both the party writ large
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: and also the Obama campaign benefited from the fact that
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Barack Obama campaigned across the country, including through a lot
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: of swing states, and built a big organization. I do
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: think first of all, the differences in policy between Hillary
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Clinton and Barack Obama were much smaller, especially in domestic policy.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: They just were. But at the same time, those debates
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: got pretty fucking messy at the end. And the party
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: had to be stitched back together. Everybody did that. That worked.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: That's great. I think we have to be honest about
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the ways in which intraparty fights play out now, and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: they can be really, really cutting, really enervating, And that's OK.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to pretend that that's not the situation.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: And so to me, OK, that's what social media will do.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: We can say that's not real life, but it becomes
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: real life. What does a politician do to address that?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: And I think it becomes incumbent on anyone who's going
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: to be part of a Democratic primary in 2028 and 2027, obviously,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: to beginning, middle and end, be talking about the fact
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: that at the end of this process, we will be
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: stitching this movement together, that we're all on the same side.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I think we have to overcorrect for that. in a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: certain way. And I actually think that often becomes a
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: cudgel used to go after the left to say like,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: you need to unify, you need to unify, you need
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: to unify. I think they do. And I think that's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: a fine argument to make. But at the same time,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I think more center left politicians should become more comfortable
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: speaking with, talking to parts of the party that are
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: not going to be part of their coalition and maybe
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: kind of hostile to them. But even if they get
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: hostility toward them, speak about them as if they're part
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of their coalition and that their voices matter and are valued.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I think, like, that has to be kind of overcorrection
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: that people do because I am worried about what happens
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: in a kind of brutal, long primary in which everyone
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: is extremely anxious, extremely upset about what's happening to the country,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: extremely worried about our ability to win. And so that,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: to me, is part of what the leader of the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: party will.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Have to do. I mean, I worry about it from
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: the other side, too, from the left.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: How so?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because... I mean, it's just, it's different arguments, right?
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: The center left, if it's a center left politician, and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: they will say, like, oh, well, the left, the left
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: of politician, the more progressive politician can't win. This is
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: hopeless now. Why are we nominating this person? This is bad.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: We're going to lose. They're not electable. And so, like,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: they have to think about that. On the left, you get, like,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: this person's a sellout. They're no better than the Republican candidate. Like,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: so it goes both ways.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no. I totally, and I, like, I am confident, like,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: it is not the leaders, like elected leaders on the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: left that are making those arguments. And like, there's nobody
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: that fought harder for Joe Biden, even I think a
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: little too long than AOC and Bernie, which is like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: to their credit. And so like, we can't make every
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: activist or every person do the right thing in either direction.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: There's plenty of people that are, you know, that have
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: loud platforms that are not going to be responsible. That's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: just part of it. I'm talking about what the elected
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: leaders do. And I actually think they can do a
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: good job of kind of at least modeling the kind
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: of behavior we need.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: In fact, I think the two elected leaders that did
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: the best job of modeling that were Biden and Bernie
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: in 2020. Absolutely. They both did a lot of work. Tommy,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: what do you think?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the intraparty fights are always the worst
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: and the most vicious. And that's true for the right
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: and the left. And in part because it's just you
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: care what those critics say. Like when Ben Shapiro calls
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: me like a Tehran Tommy on Twitter, I don't give
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: a shit because I think he's a moron and he's annoying.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: But when like, did he do that? All the time.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: But when people on the left criticize you, you're like, oh,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: that hurts. Like, I respect those people. That kind of,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: that stings a bit. I do, though, think like, I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: think the biggest mistake of all is when the kind
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: of DC class decides that they're going to anoint someone.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: And I think that the reason, part of the reason
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: some of the 2016 fights feel like they will never
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: end is one, if we had won, all is forgiven,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: but we lost.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: You guys remember that?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: But two, there is a feeling that is, I don't think,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: fully accurate, but not totally unfounded on the left, that
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: the primary process was unfair and rigged against Bernie Sanders.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: And that has let this perception linger. So ultimately, I
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: think we need messy primaries. I think you can read
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: all the polls you want, but the rubber meets the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: road when people vote. And that's when we really learn
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: what people care about and what politicians are good. And
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: the 2008 primary stripped a decade off our lives collectively
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: and But it was great for Barack Obama. It made
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: him a better candidate. It made him a better president.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: I just agree with what Lovett was saying. The thing
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: we have to avoid or just call out is the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: suggestion that you are immoral or a bad person or
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: it's a character attack if you disagree on policy. That
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: stuff is bullshit.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: I agree with the contours around the debate we should have.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: But we should be brutally honest. The Democratic Party is
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: in a state of crisis. We currently have no path
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: to this kind of governing majority we would need to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: actually defeat MAGA. We have a Senate cap of 53
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: seats maybe. In 2032, the Electoral College is going to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: move 15 to 20 votes in the Republican direction. Our
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: current electoral coalition, even if it has improved since Trump lost,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: is not sufficient to actually build a governing majority. We
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: have to have a giant debate. Our party leadership is
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: out of touch and sclerotic, and we don't have the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: infrastructure we need. We have to have a big, giant,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: messy debate about who we are, what we stand for,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: and who should be in charge of this party. Because
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: if we don't, we really could win in 2028 simply
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: because Donald Trump sucks and J.D.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Vance sucks even more.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: But that is just what happened in 2020, which is
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: we won one presidency, we didn't solve any of our problems,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: and we're right back where we were before. So we
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: need to think And we're only going to think big.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: We have a big, messy primary, and we are open
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: to out-of-the-box ideas, candidates who may not seem electable right away.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: We just have to have a lot of humility and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: openness to a real, messy, important debate.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. But a messy debate is–
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: we can't have– the future you want without a messy debate,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: but a messy debate is no guarantee that people show
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: up to the table with what we need. That's right.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: And so that like, to me, yeah, I.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I think Obama's point there that, uh, I found
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: very important is when he said, we have to realize that,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: you know, not a hundred percent of voters are going
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: to agree with everything we said, which seems like an
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: obvious point. But I think that wherever you stand in
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: the democratic party from your vantage point, you think that like,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my position is actually the position that is
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: most popular in the party and that can carry the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: whole party. Um, And it's just, and the other politicians
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: don't actually realize that because they're at fault. And the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: truth is, like, it's a very demographically, politically diverse coalition.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: And it has become more demographically and politically diverse, partly
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: because it has to be so broad to be Donald
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Trump's coalition right now. Like, we are just a much
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: more diverse coalition than Donald Trump's coalition, politically, identity-wise, geographically,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: all of it. And so because of that, there's going
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: to be a lot more argument, a lot more, a
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: lot of different positions. And whether you're on the left,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: whether you're on the center left, wherever you are, you're
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: just going to have to realize that like most people
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: in the party aren't necessarily going to agree with all
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: your positions. And that doesn't mean to like sand down
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: all your positions so that you can be like the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: lowest common denominator politician and like have everyone agree with you.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: But it does mean that like. you have to realize
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: that you're not going to please everyone all the time
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: and you're going to take some positions that piss people off.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're 100% right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: We have to recognize that we need to build a
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: majority and we have to appeal to people who just
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: grow with lots of things. My operating principle going into
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: this primary is I want to think bigger than just
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: who can win in 2028 because I think if all
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: we do is win in 2028 and then lose after that,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: we are fucked. And so you really have to think
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: big about who is the can-do, who has the potential
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: to to change the electoral coalition in the way that
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: Obama did in 2008.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Over the next year, we have to focus on winning
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: our midterm elections. We can't get sucked into the horse
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: race for an election that is two full years from now,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: is what we normally say. But not tonight. And so
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: in this hat... We have the names of many of
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: 2028's rumored hopefuls and hopeless. We will each choose a candidate,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: and we will each make our case for that candidate,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: and then we will duke it out. This is real.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: We are choosing at random, and we will fight for
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: our candidate. At the end, you will vote on who
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: you believe should be the nominee from this field. Okay?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: In a segment we're calling Playing the Field. And also.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: For everyone listening at home, for everyone who clips this,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: we are playing a game. We are each playing a
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: role for our candidate.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: These are called straw man arguments.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: It does not reflect what each of us actually believe
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: about the candidates.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: We're just making arguments, I swear to fucking God.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: And so I will start. and my candidate is J.B. Pritzker.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: My candidate is Pete Buttigieg. My candidate is Rahm Emanuel.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Rahm Emanuel. Cheer for me. My candidate is AOC. Wow. Wow.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: All right. We're going to try to take it away
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: for 30 seconds.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: OK. I think the case for J.B. Pritzker is that
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: he is an incredibly successful governor of one of the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: largest states in the country. He has been one of
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the loudest, fiercest voices against Donald Trump. So he knows
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: how to fight, but he also knows how to govern politically.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: He has raised the minimum wage in Illinois. He has
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: also reduced the budget deficit in Illinois. He's passed criminal
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: justice reform. He's protected abortion rights. And so on issue
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: after issue, he has shown that you can actually govern
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: progressively if you have the opportunity. He has executive experience.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: He is very, very rich, which means that he can
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: fund this campaign and he's not going to be beholden
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: to corporate special interests. Which is pretty good. So he's not.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: And we've had a we just, you know, he class
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: traitors are some of the most committed, committed converts. And
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: so I think J.B. Pritzker, the reason that he's been
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: getting so much attention is because he's out there. He
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: is not afraid to fight Donald Trump. He's not afraid
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: to punch Republicans in the face. And he also has
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: shown in his state that he can protect the people
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: of Illinois from authoritarians like Donald Trump. and that he
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: can also govern in a progressive way that actually has
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: improved people's lives in Illinois.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Pete Buttigieg. Two things I think we all would, I think,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: agree about Pete Buttigieg. One, no one has done a
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: better job taking the argument to conservative spaces than Pete Buttigieg.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: We just....
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: We just went through an election where some of the
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: most important conversations were not five minutes or seven minutes,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: but they were hour-long, hour-and-a-half-long conversations. People who have not
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: just a soundbite, but have the ability to actually make
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: a deep and well-thought-out argument that can appeal to people
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: beyond our base. We know that Pete can do that.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: That brings me to my second reason. Why do we
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: know that Pete can do that? Because I think we
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: all instinctively view Pete Buttigieg as the smartest, one of
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: the smartest people in Democratic politics. If there's anybody... Now,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: do I think Pete Buttigieg right now has all the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: answers for how Democrats win in places we haven't won
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: since Ben Nelson left his seat in Nebraska? No, I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: don't think Pete Buttigieg has all the answers. But do
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: I think Pete Buttigieg has the same concern that Dan
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: has and is thinking about it when he's lying awake
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: at night next to a sweet and sleeping Chasten? I do.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I do think Pete is completely aware of this challenge
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and is thinking about it. And I think knowing that
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: we have a president that is has the capacity to
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: think about these long-term challenges and how to address them
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: and how to connect it to the policy and the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: politics of the moment would be quite a reassuring thing
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: for us to have.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Rahm Emanuel is the most qualified candidate in the field
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: by far. He was White House Chief of Staff. He
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: was a member of Congress. He was the mayor of
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: a city of 2.75 million people.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: He was the U.S. ambassador to Japan. The man is
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: ready to do the job on day one. He has
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: seen the nuclear codes. Have you guys seen the nuclear codes?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: No, none of these clowns have seen the nuclear codes.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Also, he's a winner.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: In 2006, Rahm Emanuel led the DCCC. Democrats won 30 seats.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Bill Clinton won the presidency two times. Rahm Emanuel was
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: the intellectual firepower behind those campaigns. On top of that,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: he's a fighter.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: He's tough. People always say, oh, the Democrats are too nice.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Not my Rom. Not my Rom. That's why we need
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: him on that ticket.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: How do you guys feel about AOC? Now, here's what
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 7: some Washington elites are going to tell you. They're going
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: to say she can't win.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Do you know who else? Whatever is right. Do you
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: know who else they said that about? Barack Obama. They
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: said he couldn't win.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: You got anything else?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Here, I'm going to give you... You know what? Let
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: me make my case, okay?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I just asked.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Who'd you have again?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: I think the way in which the Democratic Party can
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: regain the majority in this country, how we can return
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: to our roots, is we need a politics that is
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: comes from the outside, that is reform, and that is
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 7: based on working class people and ideas. And we need
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: a candidate who can actually communicate in this environment, who
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: can go toe-to-toe with a right-wing media machine. And there
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: is no better communicator and no better messenger in the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: Democratic Party than AOC. Does she have hurdles? Yes, she
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: absolutely does. But I believe she has the talent, the background.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 7: She is someone who is a true outsider in American politics.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: Her time as a bartender is the way in which
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: she can relate to working class people. She can appeal
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: to young people and Latinos, the two groups who abandoned
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: the Democrats in 2024, which is the difference between the
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: big Obama-era coalition we had back in 2008, 2012, and
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: the ones in which we barely won in 2020 and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: we lost in 2024.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: And it is a big bet, right?
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: Because she is an untested candidate compared to some of
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: these other people, like Rahm Emanuel.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: But... You're goddamn right. But.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: It is a bet I'd be willing to make because
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: I think she is the highest ceiling of any candidate
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 7: in this field. The one candidate we've even talked about
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 7: is the possibility to truly alter American politics.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: In a way that can defeat MAGA. Now, it's the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: question round. We'll start with J.B.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Pritzker.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Now, John, J.B. Pritzker is a billionaire. His wealth comes
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: from the Hyatt Hotel chain. He has been wealthy his
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: entire life from the day that he was born. How
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: will he relate to the struggles of working people?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: I want to know which one of your candidates passed
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: a $ 15 minimum wage that affected one of the biggest
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: states in the country and millions of people.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Rahm Emanuel did.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: So Rahm didn't. AOC definitely hasn't. And Pete, I don't
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: know if he did it in South Bend.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: So that's a great accomplishment. I'm really glad that JP
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: did it.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: And it's weird because he's so rich, but he still
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: did it.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: How is he going to campaign when he's so busy
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: playing poker all the time? All he does is play poker.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: That's interesting because I think John Lovett... wants to hang
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: out with J.B. Pritzker more than any other candidate. Is
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: that what you said? Yeah. That is right. It's something
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: called the beer test, right? Who would you want to
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: have a beer with? And I believe you have chosen J.B. Pritzker.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: And as the median American voter, a gay podcast host
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: from Los Angeles, California. No, but seriously, I agree that J.B.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Pritzker has great accomplishments. But sincerely, address the question of
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: how will J.B. Pritzker, someone who has never had to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: worry about money, for a day in his life, who's
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: been wealthy since the day he was born, how does
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: he relate to people and their regular everyday struggles?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: No, it's a great question. How does a billionaire relate
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: to a country of working class Americans and get elected
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: by those Americans? I don't know how that happens.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Trump is good.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Right, because I think he's bad. But is that because
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: he got elected or is that because he didn't pursue
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: policies to improve the economic lives of most people, which J.B.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Pritzker has in Illinois?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: John, can I ask another question? Sure.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 7: I understand you're talking points here, but J.B. Pritzker is
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: the governor of one of the most democratic states in
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: the country.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: What is the evidence that he could actually go into
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: a swing state and win?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Like the Bronx, right?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll make the Bronx. I'm hearing a lot of attacks.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: Like the Bronx or Chicago or South Bend. When it's
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: your time, you can ask me that question. Because I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: have a fucking answer. I guess the transportation department. That
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: was a tough one.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I guess the answer for how J.B. Pritzker is going
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: to appeal to the working class is by attacking every
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: other person on the debate stage. I think we need
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: a fighter. Don't we want a fighter?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Don't we want someone who's going to hit back? All right, J.B.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: There was a two-term president from the same state that J.B.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Pritzker is governor of. I think his name is Barack Obama.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Many people say, yeah, the white Obama, J.B.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: Pritzker.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Does anyone else have a question?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm still waiting for a good, no?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I got a.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Question for Pete. So, Pete, I'm not Pete. I am
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: arguing for Pete. We are still ourselves.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Tonight, you're Pete.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: In this, we are ourselves, arguing for someone. Love it
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: on the streets, Pete in the sheets.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: So, you were part of the cover-up of Joe Biden's
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: mental decline.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Won't that be a problem on the campaign trail? So,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty salacious allegation. for someone that was pretty
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: focused on making sure the planes landed and took off,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: which they almost all did. I was, I had a
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: lot on my plate. He had a lot on his plate.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: He was working on making sure that we had, you know,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: rail and trains going where they're supposed to go. And
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: by the way, look, here's the thing. Pete Buttigieg wasn't
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: really like... Wasn't there a big train crash in Ohio?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Which he could not stop.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah. Look, obviously.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: So he kept most of the planes in the air
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: and most of the trains on the rails. Obviously, in hindsight,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden was very old.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: What did Pete say after the debate? Did Pete say
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: anything about him after the debate?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: He said, boy, we have got to make sure these
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: planes are good. I am focused on the planes. The
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: planes are also old. Again, not Pete's fault, but he's
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: going to make sure they land safely.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Pete's focus was on getting.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Our aging, decrepit infrastructure to work as best as it could,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: from the White House to the fucking Amtrak.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's me, though. Because, like, why was he... He
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: was so focused on the trains, but I thought you
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: said he was one of the best communicators in the party.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: He can go into all the other spaces and talk
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: about politics, but it just didn't do that with Biden, right?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: Just did the planes.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: And just remind me, when did J.B. Pritzker turn against
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden? Was it before the debate or long after?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Definitely before Pete.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Well, Pete's in the administration, and again, planes, trains, automobiles.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Couple of questions.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: So one of the things that was the downfall of
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: Kamala Harris was she was in the 2020 primary and
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: she stood on stage.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: She felt a lot of questionnaires.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 7: She stood on stage and raised her hands for a
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: lot of very, a lot of issues that were quite unpopular.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 7: Pete raised his hand at every single one when Kamala
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: Harris did.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: What, how worried are you?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: How worried is Pete.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 7: About having adopted all these positions in 2020 that were
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 7: so effectively weaponized against Kamala Harris?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: So I think it's a really important question. Look, I
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: think the two biggest liabilities Pete Buttigieg will have is A,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: he is connected to the Biden administration, and B, he
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: was part of the 2020 primary, which every hand is
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: going up. I do think sometimes that is taken as a...
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: The fact that that was such a liability for Kamala
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Harris that she could not address it is therefore a
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: liability others could not address. Kamala had a bigger problem,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: which was she was unable, to be honest, to articulate
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: a deeper worldview.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: She struggled with that in her 107 days. I think
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: she would have continued to struggle with that. Yes, Pete
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: will have to address that. But I think whatever the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: tag Pete will have for his being tied to the administration,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: which is legitimate and will be a huge problem for him,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: I think we all would say that Pete Buttigieg has
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: a larger worldview that he is going to put forward.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: He will have to address it. I don't know that
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: it was Bidenism. I think it is a center-left, kind
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: of technocratic, but forward-looking, probably abundance-style agenda. And whatever that's worth,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's what he would put forward. But yes,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: he will have to answer for these things. That will
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: be hard for him to do. It will not be
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: as hard for him to do. Kamala made it look
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: harder than I think it would.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Be for someone like Pete Buttigieg. One area where, in fairness,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Pete is very different from Joe Biden is that Joe
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Biden was very popular with black voters.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: And experienced.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: And I think you would agree that there's no winning
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: the Democratic primary at all without black voters.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Or the White House.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Or the White House. And so I'm wondering, after his
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: first run where he didn't get almost any black votes,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: and the polls now down at around 0% and 1%.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: So what do you think about that?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Nowhere to go but up, John. Here's the thing. Here's
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: the thing. You ever have a jar of pickles? And
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: you can open it. You can open it. You can
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: open it. But you're loosening it, you know? And one day, boom.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Black votes.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: Arguments like that are why Donald Trump's run and train
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: our democracy.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: You know who.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Didn't run in 2020? Rahm Emanuel. Blank slate. Fresh face. Okay, Rahm,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I have some questions for you. Sure.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 7: Talk to me about how you're going to talk to
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: the country. How is Rahm Emanuel going to talk to
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 7: the country about... Aggressively.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Profanely. About Rahm's integral role in.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: Doing the following things. Passing NAFTA. Passing the Clinton crime bill.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: Adding China to the WTO.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, nerd. I would just add to that list his
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: being tied to police abuses during his time as mayor
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: that have led many people to view him as a
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: fundamentally unacceptable choice for the Democratic Party.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: It's Rahm Emanuel, not Machiavelli. First of all, people don't
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: like crime, thus that bill.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: Second, NAFTA is half of mostly Canada, and we should
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: be nicer to them, so stop being a dick. But
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: also chief of staff, member of Congress, ambassador to Japan.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: He's ready for the job. Day one. Here's the thing.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: I'm being dead serious here because I was there to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 7: see it. Rahm, he was a very effective chief of
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 7: staff for Barack Obama.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Very effective.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: Obama's probably most famous accomplishment is the passage of the
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 7: Affordable Care Act. Rahm famously, and I was in the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: meeting where he did it, argued that we should have
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: abandoned it. And take a smaller bill. So, like, how
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: is he, he can't even, how is he, what is
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: his argument when he can't even take credit for Obama's
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: top accomplishment?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: Because what he wanted to do was march down to
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Wall Street, grab a banker, put him on a spit,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: and roast him like a hog on C-SPAN, and Obama
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't let him do it.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: Oh!
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, the facts offend you.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: I assume you have documentation of this?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: So Rahm Emanuel, the tribune of the working class in
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: the White House, was stymied by the neolib shill Barack Obama?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: That's your claim? Who believes in aliens now? That's a
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: possible argument we'll make.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Okay. I want to say about Pete Buttigieg and black voters. No,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: keep going.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: What do you guys got? This is being recorded, you know.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know. I know what your single advantage is.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Never seen someone so cocky pushing on an open door.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: So of all these candidates, I think that the one
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: with the highest name identification is probably yours, correct?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: I would say it's probably Kamala Harris.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Of the ones that are on the stage right now?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. Close call with Pete. I think Pete
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: might have a higher ID, but it's close. Okay. Okay.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: And who has the worst net approval rating in the country? Romicide.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question. Who has the highest
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: approval rating with young voters?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, is just young voters voting now in the American election?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it would be nice if they voted for us.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, is Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Michigan just young voters? No,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: that's amazing.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: All right, slow down there, okay, billionaire boy? Here's the thing.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry, socialists, go ahead.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I will stipulate at the beginning.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: We love socialists in America.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: We have a high.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: AOC has a high hurdle to prove electability. And I
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 7: think that one of the tests of electability, and she's
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: going to have to carry that argument in the primaries,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: in the debates, and I have great confidence that she
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: has the communication skills to do that.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: No, everyone loves her. Well, you're making the argument. What
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: would you make the argument for on electability? How would,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: that she has never... Go ahead. How would she win
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: an Obama-Trump voter in Wisconsin?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: No one on this stage right now has won a
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: Republican state or district.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just asking how AOC would.
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  Speaker 1: But I would make the point that there was a
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  Speaker 1: large swathing.
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  Speaker 7: It was 17%, 20% of people who voted for Donald
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  Speaker 7: Trump and AOC in her last election.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a higher percentage.
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  Speaker 7: Of people, I would say, in her district who voted
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  Speaker 7: for Obama and Trump than for J.B.
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  Speaker 1: Pritzker and Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, when's the last time a progressive has... ever won
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  Speaker 2: a purple district? Can you name a progressive, a leftist,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: who's ever won a purple district anywhere?
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  Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders? Bernie Sanders?
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  Speaker 2: Which one is that?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 2: In a general election. When is the last time a
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  Speaker 2: lefty DSA progressive politician has won a purple state statewide
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: or a district, even a house district?
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  Speaker 7: There is no question that AOC's relationship with DSA is
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: something she's going to have to navigate.
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  Speaker 1: There's no question about that. And the way you do
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  Speaker 1: that is you prove it.
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  Speaker 7: In 2008, everyone would say, when could a black politician
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: win a majority white state? And Barack Obama won Iowa,
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  Speaker 7: and he proved to people he could do it. The
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  Speaker 7: only way that AOC can win the nomination is she
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: has to go, whatever the first state is, which is
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: going to most likely be like a Michigan or a
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 7: Georgia or New Hampshire, whatever it is, she's going to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: have to go in and win it.
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  Speaker 3: If Rahm Emanuel went to the Munich Security Conference and
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: got asked about Taiwan, he would.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Hit that over the chucker. Is that a thing in
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: cricket now?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 1: Something else?
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: He would knock it out of the park. There's no question.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that people should believe, people should
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: go with their hearts. But no, John, it's your point, though.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, right, that right now, right, we would say
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  Speaker 1: it's an uphill climb for someone on the left as
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: AOC to win a national race. But you would say
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: that she would be a good president, right?
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  Speaker 2: Are you now just arguing for AOC so the fucking
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: audience can.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, but no, but I'm saying that this
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: is the problem, right? That, like, if what we're talking
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: about is electability, electability is not a... Electability can't simply
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: be a snapshot of how people view politicians before the primary...
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: has begun. Electability is sitting right here. No, for sure
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: it is. But you would have to then be saying,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: not only is she seen as someone who is divisive
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: or to the left in a way that's not appealing
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: to enough people, but that she does not have the
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: capacity to change that. And don't we think... If things
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: are as dire as Dan is saying in our politics...
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't it be worth it to take a chance on
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: the possibility that we can reshape our politics around someone
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: that we all would view as somebody who has the
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: kind of politics you believe in?
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  Speaker 7: Here's the thing I'll say. There's no question it's a
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: big risk, but there's no one on the stage who's
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: not a big risk. Kamala Harris, Luffy, Buttigieg is too
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 7: big a risk.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: He's Rahm Emanuel, whatever. I agree that Rahm Emanuel would
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: be a pretty big fucking risk.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 6: J.B.
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  Speaker 7: Pritzker is an untested proposition who's never won Republican voters.
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  Speaker 7: What I believe is that the way the Democrats have
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: to move is we need a politics based on working
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: class people, working class ideas.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 7: And the person in the Democratic Party on this list,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 7: in this hat, best able to do that is AOC.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: Based on?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Based on the fact that.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Based on what?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Based on the fact that she has done it. Where?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: Where?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: What? Barack Obama won Illinois, and then he won the country.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: Do you think Barack Obama's positions when he ran were
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: to the left or to the right of AOCs right now?
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I think everyone is... The politics have changed, but
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: he was the most left candidate in that field, and
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: he won.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Because of his position on the Iraq War, right?
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: He was more liberal on the biggest issue of the time.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: And he mogged.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: And he did mog.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: He was good looking.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: And she mogs too.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: And I would love to get a beer with J.B. Pritzker. Yeah.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: And I think Pete's brilliant.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: All right. This is the final debate stage. Based on
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: the arguments. Based on the arguments. You have heard tonight.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Are you voting for J.B. Pritzker? No. Are you voting
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: for Sweet Pete Buttigieg? Are you voting for Rahm Emanuel? Wow.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Pretty good.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: And.
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  Speaker 1: That was it, right?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: AOC. Wow. Too close to call.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: The swing district of Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, let's see how she does in Brisbane.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Honestly, she did pretty well.
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