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SHOULD TikTok Be Banned & Are Screens Destroying Our Kids' Brains? | Charlie Marlow & Eric Messersmith · Kenny Wallace Media

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  I want to start out talking about this Tiktok ban because I
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  think it's a, it's an interesting, relevant
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  discussion, not just about Tiktok, but social media and
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  screens and all that. And I, I would not be for
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  banning Tiktok just because it's something that's very addictive
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  for kids. And it is.
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  I, I think all of these social media, I, I think they're all
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  bad for kids. To me, the reason that I'm at
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  least considering, or I guess on the side of, you know, should we
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  ban TikTok is the fact that it is.
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  Controlled. Operated by a Chinese company.
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  I think it's pretty fair to say that the United States and
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  China, we're not always on the best terms.
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  So if it was, if it was a United States owned company and it did
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  the same things it was doing right now, I would not be on the
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  side of of banning TikTok. And I'm not even sure I'm really
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  even on that side. But.
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  But if this company is able to get our our private information
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  or sell it or compromise American citizens, especially
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  prominent American citizens, which I wouldn't rule out.
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  That's where I am on this. Now we can further the
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  discussion and talk about just kids who are getting on at
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  teenagers and just scrolling and and ruining their lives and just
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  wasting their their lives away. But to me, the whole issue is,
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  is China, which I, I, I think that's the issue because clearly
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  you don't see United States senators, Congress, people
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  trying to ban Facebook or trying to ban Instagram or trying to
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  ban Twitter. Hell, Donald Trump is now in bed
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  with essentially Elon Musk with Twitter, even even knowing that
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  all those other social media, they have kind of the same
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  issues TikTok has. But to me, it's all about the
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  China piece. Oh, absolutely.
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  It's, it's the combination of the power of social media, which
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  we all have seen and maybe we didn't.
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  I would say we definitely didn't realize what social media could
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  become when it started. And now we see the damaging
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  effects, and that's why we're regulating it or pushing to
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  regulate it more and more, almost like we do tobacco when
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  it comes to kids or something like that.
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  And there's all these laws that have been proposed about
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  limiting screen time, especially with minors and having them opt
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  in. And that stuff is separate from
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  this because of the Chinese connection, the companies called
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  Bike Dance. And look, they have an American
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  office and they say that they're not really controlled by the
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  Chinese government. But every company in China
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  that's owned by Chinese business people, entities, is
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  essentially, at the end of the day, controlled by the
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  government because the government of China can tell
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  them to do whatever they want. So maybe at this moment, the
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  Chinese government's not saying, hey, give us all the data you
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  have on all your American users, but they could do that
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  theoretically at any time. And based on what they've done
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  in the past, we obviously shouldn't put that past them.
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  That's why it passed overwhelmingly, House and
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  Senate, Republicans and Democrats both voting for it.
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  Biden signed it into law and it did.
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  By the way, this it's we went to the Supreme Court on Friday.
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  Any day now, by the time you hear this, the Supreme Court is
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  probably going to make a decision on that law, whether it
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  was constitutional or not. The people who support Tick Tock
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  are saying, well, it's a free speech thing and that and yet
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  you can't allow this law to go forward because of free speech.
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  But what the Supreme Court Justice has said in the
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  argument, what they ultimately I think will roll is that this
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  really isn't about free speech because Congress is not saying
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  we're trying to censor any kind of speech on TikTok.
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  What they're saying is you either have to sell the company
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  or shut it down because of the Chinese ownership.
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  They're not saying we're banning TikTok.
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  They're giving you the out of sell it, sell it to an American
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  company. And so far, Byte Dances refused
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  to even entertain publicly any kind of talk of a sale, which is
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  interesting if you consider it because the company is worth a
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  lot of money. It's a huge asset.
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  The price for it I imagine would be very high.
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  And so far, they haven't agreed to do that.
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  But Kevin O'Leary, Mr. Wonderful on Shark Tank, he is publicly
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  come out with a group of investors saying he wants to
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  buy. He says they've made a bid for
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  it. There was a report the other day
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  that the Chinese government was considering selling it to Elon
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  Musk, which would be interesting.
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  Now, China has publicly said that isn't true.
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  With the Chinese government and Byte Dance, who knows what they
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  might do. But the deadline is Sunday.
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  It is supposed to either be sold to an American company, which
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  seems almost impossible that that would happen in a few days,
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  or be shut down on Sunday, meaning shut down, meaning you
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  could no longer buy it or or get it in the app stores on on
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  Google or on Android or iPhone. So we'll see what happens.
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  I think probably what will happen is the Supreme Court will
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  say the law is valid and that Bytedance will lose their
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  appeal. And then Trump will be sworn in
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  Monday and he will try to work out some type of deal or sign
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  some type of executive order to keep it up and running until it
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  can be sold to some American investors.
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  And that would be the best case scenario because as you said,
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  it's there's something it, it feels kind of weird to ban
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  things in America, free speech or platforms of speech, even if
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  they are potentially dangerous. On the other hand, you can't
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  have a foreign adversary that has that kind of control because
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  of the power of social media. It's not just the data, which is
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  that's one scary thing, but also the algorithm.
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  Like we all know TikTok is has an incredibly addictive
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  algorithm and China does the, the TikTok in China is
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  completely different than the TikTok that we see in the United
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  States. All the crap we put on it, they
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  don't allow that in China. It's about like education and
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  playing the violin and stuff. But if they wanted to alter,
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  like, we know that that is the way that our adversaries have
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  interfered in our elections going back to 2016.
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  The bots stirring division in America along racial lines,
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  socioeconomic lines, political lines, that is something that
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  China and Russia are doing already.
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  Now you have this platform essentially controlled by, if
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  they want to, the Chinese government, think about what
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  they could do to alter and shape opinion in America with the
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  power of that algorithm and then the data they have on top of it.
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  Brett Kavanaugh brought this up at the Supreme Court hearing.
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  Think about how they could get information on young people,
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  blackmail them and essentially try to recruit a new generation
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  of spies in America. You don't have to recruit spies
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  like you used to face to face. Now you can do it potentially by
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  blackmailing people through a social media app like TikTok.
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  Like these are real concerns. And I I just can't imagine that
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  we that it will ultimately survive with its current
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  ownership. If it survives, I think it will
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  have to be with US ownership and I think that's the way that it
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  should be. I don't want to see TikTok
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  banned but it can't go on like this and also we need to work
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  out a solution because I do feel bad for the people who make
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  their living on Tiktok right? I'm, I'm thinking about them as
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  well now that I'm kind of a, of a YouTube and, and Speaking of
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  Youtubers, I also saw, I don't know if he was serious, but Mr.
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  Beast, you have Mr. Wonderful and Mr. Beast.
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  I think Mr. Beast also said he was interested in buying Tiktok.
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  I'm not sure if he was 100% serious.
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  He probably made a a video about that and got a billion views off
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  discussing that. But.
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  To me, so I, I was on TikTok like two years ago, I started an
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  account and I put a couple videos and I, I just, I'm too
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  busy. But then I started doing this
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  NASCAR stuff even more where I'm starting to make those vertical
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  videos no matter what. And so I, my thought was this,
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  if I'm going to take a good, sometimes it takes me 3045
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  minutes to make a really good vertical video.
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  OK, so I produce it myself and I'm like, if I'm going to do
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  that and it takes me 30 to 45 minutes, I'm going to put on
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  every single social media platform.
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  So right now I put it on YouTube, I put it on XI, put it
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  on Facebook, I put them on Instagram and I put them on
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  Tiktok. Now what's interesting to me
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  about Tiktok, and this is where you're, you're talking about the
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  algorithm is Tiktok. I've I've found you can go
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  quote, UN quote viral off Tiktok way quicker.
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  Like you don't need a ton of followers.
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  A lot of times with these other social media, like it's hard for
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  a smaller channel or smaller platform.
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  But I've seen we've posted videos that have gotten
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  something like 40 thousand 50,000 views on TikTok and I
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  only have 200 followers. So if you get in something
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  that's trending, I can see how young people are like, oh, look,
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  I made a video on TikTok. All of a sudden, Oh look, I
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  nobody but 60,000 people are watching my video.
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  The other thing I saw which which made me kind of depressed
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  because we're talking about TikTok but also social media in
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  general. I saw this tweet the other day.
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  I don't have the exact publication, but they said like
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  the average American last year spent 2 1/2 months on their
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  phone. Think about that, 2 1/2 months.
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  So if you're spending roughly a third of your time sleeping,
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  let's say roughly a third of your time working.
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  But also, let's be real, a lot of people that are working or
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  working from home, they're also on their phone.
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  And some people work with their phone.
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  I, I work with my phone. But that was depressing.
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  And you just think about screens.
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  You think about how much time we're spending kind of bent over
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  just looking at her phone and how that's going to affect like
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  our hands and our spine and all that.
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  I mean, Eric, you, you have a son.
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  I got a couple kids. Like there's been times where I
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  haven't seen my kids. They're at school, right?
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  I pick them up, I bring them back.
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  I should be spending quality time and like, I'll be over
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  there looking at my phone and 20 minutes will go by.
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  And by the way, I'm not on TikTok.
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  I'm more of an ex person. But I'll think to myself, what
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  am I doing? Like my kids have been at
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  school, I haven't seen them. I just picked them up.
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  So we got a little bit of quality car time, but like I'm
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  already looking on my phone when I should be spending time with
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  them and playing with them. And that's the difference now
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  compared to when we grew up. Like our parents were on the
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  floor with us playing, which I am too.
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  But like every once in a while I need to get slapped in the face.
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  Like take this phone and just put it in a different room
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  because they are freaking addictive.
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  Oh it's incredible. Does your phone do that thing
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  where it tells you each week what how many minutes of screen
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  time you average the prior week? Yeah, the screen time
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  notification, I used to, so I used to like really look at that
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  and I would feel good about myself.
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  So if like one week or whatever it said you're on just whatever,
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  8910 hours a day, I'd be like, OK, so the next day I would try
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  to, I'd try to beat that. I'd try to do less the next week
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  and I would really kind of monitor that.
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  But now I don't know how it works because like I spend so
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  much time on this stupid laptop and I don't know if it's
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  connected to my phone. Like it sees both of that.
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  Like I, I spend way too much time on screens.
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  But yes, that can also be very depressing.
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  Look, I think it it's interesting if you would have
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  told people 50 years ago or 40 years ago or maybe even 30 years
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  ago, we are going to have an invention that will allow you to
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  have allow basically everybody in the world to have the
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  entirety of human knowledge in their hand.
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  And it will also be a camera and it will also be a communication
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  device. And we will all have access to
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  that instantly at any time. You would have thought we would
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  be on the verge of the of a new age of productivity.
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  It's certainly an American, a wealthy country.
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  But that really hasn't happened. If you look at productivity, it
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  hasn't exploded like you would think it would.
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  And the reason is because I think of what you're saying,
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  along with all the positives of that, you get TikTok and you get
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  the X algorithm and you get Instagram.
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  And not that any of those things are per say bad, but they are
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  time wasters and they steal your attention.
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  And I think the evidence is pretty clear.
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  They change your brain to some degree.
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  I think it's happened with me myself and I and I didn't
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  obviously grow up on the stuff because I'm older, but I have my
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  attention span. I see it in myself is not what
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  it used to be. Now I fight it by trying to
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  limit my my time on it by really trying to like take a step back
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  and refocus. But I've seen it.
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  I have less patience for things. I I want it right now and just
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  the part I want and I don't want to deal with anything else.
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  And I get distracted more easily, I think than I used to.
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  And like I said, for me, I'm older so it's, it's less of an
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  effect on me. But I think with younger people,
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  you see it to a huge, to a large degree and look for some people,
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  it's not that big of a deal. It's, it's, it's makes them less
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  productive. Maybe it makes them a little bit
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  less good as a parent or a spouse, which that's not a great
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  thing. But the real problem I think is
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  young people and I think people who grew up on this who, who,
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  who know nothing else and are addicted to those algorithms and
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  the negative consequences they can have, especially for young
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  girls and the body image problems and the self harm and
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  the mental health issues. I think it's had a negative
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  impact by and large on dating. I think dating apps of one of
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  the reasons I think that we don't, we don't have as many
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  kids and we don't have as many marriages or even even if you
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  want to say just cohabitation, we have the marriage rates have
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  birth rates have dropped with the drop in the rate of people
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  coupling together, whether that be marriage or just living
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  together. I think being online has
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  something to do with that. People are spending less time
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  interacting with each other. So it's changed our society in
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  ways large and small that I think we don't even fully
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  understand yet and will be grappling with for a long time
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  to come and and look for adults. Adults, you know, can do
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  whatever they want. And if if the repercussions are
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  bad, if it makes you less attentive as a a parent or a
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  spouse or it makes you less likely to get in a relationship,
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  there's really not much I think we can do about that other than
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  make people aware of it. But for kids, I think we're
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  going to head toward, and I mentioned this in the TikTok
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  discussion, you're already starting to see this.
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  We're going to start regulating social media.
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  And I think we should as a harm, because it is a harm by and
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  large to kids. The studies have been pretty
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  overwhelming on that. And we're not going to ban it,
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  just like we we don't ban other things that are harmful.
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  But I think for kids, we're going to more and more limit
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  their access. And the social media companies
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  are trying to get ahead of this by instituting their own things,
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  their own accounts for kids that are restrictive because they
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  know what's coming. They know the restrictions that
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  are likely to come eventually when Congress can get its act
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  together. If they survive challenges in
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  the courts, we'll see. Utah, I think it was passed some
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  a ban like this and it's been challenged in court.
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  We'll see if it'll hold up. But we really have to take a
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  look at it cuz you're right. It is changing all of us.
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  And it's some of it is good, but man, the negative consequences
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  are so bad. And I like I said, it's just I
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  like, I like it, but I, I look at my own usage, I'm like, what
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  am I doing? Why did I just waste 45 minutes
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  doom scrolling on X? Like what did that do for me?
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  That's another thing the doom scroll it also, it's changing
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  the way we think in the sense of you see the the most negative,
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  right, whatever's going to be clicked on.
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  Like for some reason on the 4U tab I see, I don't know if you
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  see this too, but I see all those fights right like now in
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  high school, middle school, whatever it is, junior high, all
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  the kids are they're filming these fights and I just maybe
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  because I always watch them. I do watch them.
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  Some I feel like are from five years ago, 10 years ago.
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  They're the same fights shown over and over.
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  But what is that doing now? Where OK, now some kids probably
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  want to be on those videos. They want to win the fight.
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  You got other kids bullying others and all that.
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  And the other part is you mentioned, you mentioned young
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  girls, teen girls. Now my daughter, she's about to
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  turn 7, just here in a couple days.
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  So God knows I'm not looking forward to what happens down the
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  road when she's a teenager. But even last night I'm helping
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  coach out her basketball team. And these are a bunch of six and
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  seven-year old girls. And when girls and kids get
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  together, they have fun and all that.
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  But I did notice I was like, man, and maybe I'm a terrible
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  coach. Really.
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  Maybe it comes down to me being a terrible coach.
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  I was like, man, these girls really are not paying attention.
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  And the other coach with me said the same thing.
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  He's like, man, you got about 3 seconds of attention span.
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  And so my daughter obviously isn't on social media.
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  But I think it's not just the social media, it's the screens,
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  it's the iPads, it's the tablets, it's the unbelievable
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  when I look at my TV over here, how freaking big these TV's are
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  and 4K and how amazing the graphics are.
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  And think about you and I are both in our 40s, OK, it was fun
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  to watch TV back in the day, but you're watching, you're sitting,
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  you got like the TV with the wooden encasement that your
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  grandma had and you got to go switch it.
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  And we didn't have HD growing up.
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  And I just think the colors and the sounds and the addictive
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  nature of screens now, for example, so my son, my son's 3
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  1/2 and he's a big reactor. My daughter wasn't like this.
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  I also think we've probably given my son too much screen
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  time because if I don't let him watch Gigantosaurus or Wild
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  Kratts, which by the way are pretty educational, we try to
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  keep it educational. If I turn the TV off, he will
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  have a freaking just throw a shit bit dude.
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  And it's, it's insane. I'm like the fact that you
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  reacted that way as if somebody in your family died from just me
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  turning the TV off. And again, we're watching, we're
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  trying to find educational type program.
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  There's another show called Dino Dana.
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  I don't know if you're familiar with Coco Melon, though.
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  Have you heard about Coco? Melon.
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  Oh my God, it's dude. It's like crack for children.
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  That's what I'm saying, and it's so obvious.
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  The songs are addictive and you feel like you're transfixed.
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  So we stopped watching Coco Melon.
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  We talked about this before, all these things, social media
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  screens, casinos, whatever it is, they are using the perfect
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  sounds, the perfect colors, the perfect whatever it is to addict
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  you. And they're doing it on purpose.
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  They're they're testing these colors, they're testing the
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  sounds, they're testing what the characters look like, they're
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  testing their voices to addict us and our children.
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  It is, it is crazy. It it is pretty scary and I feel
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  like I've noticed it especially even the difference between my 7
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  year old daughter and 3 1/2 year old son.
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  It's pretty stark. Yeah, Coco Melon, like I said,
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  it it is, it is like crack for children.
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  It's like a dopamine hit to their brain.
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  They they did it intentionally. It's their algorithm,
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  essentially. And it worked.
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  You know, when we were younger, we had commercials, we had
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  limited options. We couldn't carry it around.
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  We if you wanted to watch TV, you had to sit your ass in front
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  of the television. You had to wait through
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  commercials. We had more than three channels
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  like our parents, but we didn't have 1000 things on instantly
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  where we could watch basically any entertainment we ever wanted
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  that's been consumed or been made in the history of the
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  world. And and that's a massive change
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  in a fairly short period of time.
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  And as I said before, it's amazing how technology has
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  developed, but yet we haven't gotten more productive.
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  And in some ways we've gotten less productive.
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  And it's because we as humans have a weakness where we can't.
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  Keep our attention and these companies, whether it be Coco
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  Melon or TikTok or or the YouTube, they know how to get
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  you to stay engaged with the algorithm.
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  And so the technology that make could make you more productive
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  and give you more information is also at the same time working
• 20:17
  against you to find new ways to make you waste time.
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  It's probably going to be that way with AI too, Like AI is here
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  and, and it, AI is a wonderful thing in a lot of ways, a huge
• 20:29
  time saver for people already who know how to use.
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  And it's not even what it's going to be yet.
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  And it, but it's also going to be a huge time waster.
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  Like you can imagine. People are going to have these
• 20:39
  AI chat bots someday. They'll be robots.
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  I mean, Tesla's already making robots and what are they going
• 20:45
  to do with these AI robots? They're going to end up like
• 20:48
  wasting time with them, probably having sex with them.
• 20:51
  I mean, I was going to say yes. The sex robot thing is going to
• 20:54
  be a huge deal. So rather so you're going to
• 20:57
  have this incredible technology. It's kind of, it's like the show
• 21:00
  Black Mirror. That's probably what the
• 21:02
  future's going to be. We're going to have, it's going
• 21:04
  to be ironic access to this incredible technology that can
• 21:08
  make our lives so much better and richer.
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  And we're going to do things like, you know, mess around with
• 21:15
  it, have sex with it, get it to do crazy things.
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  Like people are going to have it do like all these crazy stunts
• 21:20
  and blow it up, blow it up. And that's kind of, you know,
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  how we are as humans, I guess, something about human nature in
• 21:27
  there. Yeah, it's crazy.
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  So I just started messing around with Croc and I started making
• 21:33
  YouTube thumbnails off Croc and they're pretty Dang good,
• 21:37
  especially if it's with a prominent person.
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  If you're talking about a prominent famous person, they're
• 21:41
  going to give you 4 options of a picture.
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  It looked pretty Dang good and it's just starting.
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  How much better is it going to be months, years from now?
• 21:49
  And I'm thinking about that. I'm like, this is probably
• 21:53
  eliminated. Graphic designers, you're going
• 21:55
  to have people who are photographers.
• 21:58
  Their job for the most part is going to be eliminated because
• 22:01
  and I had a, a wife and a friend of mine said this, I was, I was
• 22:05
  looking for, for head shots basically for YouTube
• 22:08
  thumbnails. And she texted me and said I, I
• 22:12
  went and found this dude and I gave this guy just a picture of
• 22:16
  me and through AI he sent me back whatever it was 10/15/20
• 22:21
  unbelievable headshots, which are are all AI.
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  But it looks exactly like her. I mean, they're using a picture
• 22:28
  of her. Think about a photographer with,
• 22:30
  with your family. You can probably send AIA
• 22:32
  picture of your family and they're going to give you the
• 22:34
  Christmas picture, the Halloween picture, the Thanksgiving
• 22:38
  picture, right? We'll probably all save a lot of
• 22:40
  money. But the other part was I do I
• 22:44
  think about this a lot because I try not to be on my phone.
• 22:47
  I, I kind of hate the fact even though I like my job right now,
• 22:51
  I kind of hate the fact that it's all looking at a screen,
• 22:54
  whether it's YouTube, my laptop, my phone.
• 22:56
  The other day I was at one of my kids Taekwondo class.
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  I don't remember which one, but I'm looking at my phone.
• 23:03
  I look over and I swear probably 90% of all parents were looking
• 23:09
  at their phones. And we do talk and get to know
• 23:11
  each other a little bit. But I'm thinking back in the
• 23:15
  day, your parents and we do, we, we do talk like at my, my
• 23:20
  daughter's basketball games, everybody's kind of standing up.
• 23:22
  So nobody, nobody's on their phones.
• 23:24
  Everybody's chatting. You're getting to know people.
• 23:26
  But in this particular setting, I'm thinking you can make great
• 23:29
  friends with another couple. You can be sitting next to a
• 23:31
  couple who's watching their kid. I'm watching my kid.
• 23:33
  And all of a sudden you strike up a conversation, you become
• 23:36
  great friends. You start going out to dinner,
• 23:37
  having drinks and all that. How much of that is lost on the
• 23:41
  fact that people aren't even really conversing, They're just
• 23:44
  looking at their phone. It is funny too, because you'll
• 23:47
  catch somebody and you'll you'll kind of see what they're looking
• 23:50
  at. I'm not even trying, but it's
• 23:51
  not work related. It's just total crap.
• 23:54
  And then X even X has so much whatever it is porn or all kinds
• 23:59
  of stuff like. Is it one of those X feeds that
• 24:01
  says you you won't last two minutes on this?
• 24:05
  Right, all that and I'll just look at X.
• 24:08
  That's the one thing about X2. I don't like the pornography
• 24:10
  there. If you want pornography, you
• 24:13
  should be able to go to a site that's for that.
• 24:16
  But the fact that it can just pop up and we've got into this
• 24:20
  discussion back in the day on radio, people will be like, no,
• 24:22
  that's you looking at, that's your algorithm.
• 24:24
  We tested this out. We tested this out before you
• 24:27
  tab. It's going to show you that
• 24:29
  stuff. It's going to show you a bunch
• 24:30
  of that crap, right? You're looking, Oh my God, like
• 24:33
  there's somebody next to me and all of a sudden that comes up
• 24:34
  and you're like, just get out of it.
• 24:38
  Well, and, and also I, for some reason certain times I check, I,
• 24:42
  I see Elon Musk's tweets here or there, his expose, but I don't
• 24:45
  like hover over them or interact with them.
• 24:48
  But yet sometimes at certain times, I will see like the 1st
• 24:51
  10 things in my 4U tab, 9 of them would be Elon Musk post.
• 24:54
  And I'm like, wait a minute, this algorithm is being, is
• 24:57
  being manipulated, but we are losing something.
• 25:00
  And if you look at we have an epidemic of loneliness in this
• 25:04
  country, particularly with men. And if you look at surveys of
• 25:09
  just asking questions like how many close friends do you have,
• 25:12
  how you know, how happy and engaged do you feel like those
• 25:15
  numbers are way down from what they used to be a particularly
• 25:20
  for men. And it's because we are losing
• 25:23
  those institutions that bring us together.
• 25:26
  It's not all because of technology.
• 25:27
  Some of it's because of the loss of religion in our country.
• 25:29
  Church used to be that place for a lot of people and we're much
• 25:32
  less religious. But things like bowling leagues
• 25:36
  have dramatically fallen off. And as you pointed out, even
• 25:38
  when we are brought together for basketball games or kids
• 25:42
  sporting events, we're not engaging like we used to because
• 25:45
  we're all on our phones. If your same situation 30 years
• 25:48
  ago, someone in your position, they would have been there and
• 25:52
  they would have been talking to the other parents the whole time
• 25:54
  because there literally would have been nothing else to do
• 25:57
  except, you know, obviously you're watching the event.
• 25:59
  But there are breaks, there are time outs there.
• 26:01
  You're in between sessions, whatever the case may be.
• 26:04
  You would be just talking to the people, people around you.
• 26:06
  You would be making friends. And that's not happening with
• 26:09
  older people. It's not happening with young
• 26:11
  people. It's one of the reasons that I
• 26:13
  said the marriage rates and cohabitation rates are going
• 26:16
  down, the birth rate is going down and it's just the kids
• 26:21
  growing up like that. Imagine what their lives are
• 26:25
  going to be like if that's all they've ever known from the time
• 26:28
  they were a child. It's really, it's really a weird
• 26:32
  time we're entering into where human beings kind of had certain
• 26:36
  structures and behaved a certain way for a very long time.
• 26:40
  And that has changed so quickly in time in terms of like the the
• 26:45
  course of human beings. It's change is inevitable, but
• 26:51
  this change has happened so dramatically and so quickly that
• 26:56
  I don't know if we're if we're going to be able to grapple with
• 26:59
  the consequences for a very long time.