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Humanity · The Volume Shift

• Deion: Welcome back to the volume shift, you know what I'm saying? When we bridging the gap between genders, race, and et cetera. I'm Buck Doctors the Doctor without the doctrine. Jhalil: J'al urban activist slash blacktivist. Anyway. Deion: We back at it, you know what I mean, with another one. We got our guy back, Mike, Uncle Love. M: Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Deion: What up, though? M: Ain't nothing. Deion: How you living? How you feeling? M: Now the day is a blessing. Deion: Don't give us that bullshit. M: That's Jhalil: Mm. Deion: Yeah. How you feeling? How you loving, man? Yeah. M: my motto. That's my motto. Another day is a blessing. Jhalil: He he hit us he hit us with the one day at a time drone. So yeah, he was M: Yeah, I mean Jhalil: taking it one day at a time. Deion: Alright. So you know, we started a new joint a part of our segments and shit, so like the volume check. So different than we do b in the previous episode. I wanna do the volume check like a like a like a check in. You know what I mean? Like I wanna say, on a volume chip check level, like, what's the loudest noise in your life right now like? Jhalil: That's a good journal, bro. Loudest noise right now. I don't know, it it gotta be some shit fr coming from the outside though, bro. 'Cause it's Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: like the inside, man, it's like you got your daily life and you know you make your moves or whatever and you know what you doing. Well, in a s in a sense, you feel me? But it's the outside shit that we we really be hearing, that I really be hearing more, bro. It's less of what I be thinking and more like about what I see and what I be hearing from the outside, like. It's a lot of distractions, bro. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Real rare bro, like it's a ton of though. So that's that's my john. I ain't gonna lie, man. Social media dog, like I fuck with it, but that's a huge distraction for me, bro. I ain't gonna lie. M: Mm. Deion: Mm. Jhalil: Yeah, man, we should. Deion: Where the what where have you on like I you need a volume check on it like? Or is it in the hood? Jhalil: No, not really, 'cause I don't I don't let it affect me like that. But it's just like that shit all over the place, bro. I don't know how the algorithm works, but it's like one second I'll be watching something positive. And then I'll watch one rumble. You feel me? Then like for the rest of the day it's all rumbles. Like M: rumbles, yeah. Deion: Yeah, yeah. Jhalil: Real rap, dog. Like you scroll through, it's shaking ass. Then it's all shaking ass. You be like, Bro, alright Like M: Hey, one was good. Deion: Yeah. M: So one was Jhalil: Rum. M: good enough. Jhalil: Hey real shit, that shit be back Deion: But that do that make you know. Jhalil: to back to back. Like that shit to the point you can't even open your shit in public. You don't know what's about to pop up. Like that shit. Shit Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: wild as shit. M: They push negativity. Jhalil: Ru, bro. Deion: But do it like affect you? Do it make you feel that way? M: No, I don't bother me. Jhalil: No, dog, I don't want to shake no ass. Deion: So what? Jhalil: I said, no, bro, I ain't I don't that shit don't make me want to shake no ass or nothing, dawg. Deion: Yes. M: Yeah. Deion: Hey. M: Yeah. Jhalil: No, but I ain't gonna lie, that shit just a huge like it'd be a distraction, M: Remote idea. Jhalil: bro. You'll know you gotta do some shit and then it's just it's always something that it just hook you back in. Deion: Yeah. I think my joint right now is like financial. You know what I mean? Like I've been getting a lot of like noise from like needing money and wanting money and trying to figure out how I can get more money and be more legit and not, you know, go go non legit, you feel me? At the same time, you know, the kids living, building a business, building a podcast, all of these type things, right? But like Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: my anxiety, like and depression will probably come from like like that type shit. You know what I'm saying? That's the loudest. Thing right now to me. Jhalil: You good, young boy? M: we know my Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: He said, No. M: I don't got no thought process on that right now. Jhalil: it's cool. It it'll come to you at some point. But like, no, bro, on some real shit though, Buck, I think that's that's probably a drawing. You know, a lot of people feast you, bro, like at different times, bro, 'cause it's like we in a capitalist society anyway, bro. Like, coming from here, we on some capitalist shit anyway. So it's like it's always about getting the bread and and having bread to do certain shit and everything like. It'd probably be different if everything wasn't structured on money. But that's that's Deion: Do you have any? Jhalil: the reality of this shit. It is structured on money, like. Deion: I say it's a volume check, right? Because I'm like, like you just said, it's what I put on it and my mentor and the value I put on it, right? Like and all that it entails, right? Like even with dating and all that, you know what I'm saying? It'd be like like if you ain't got the bread, don't even go that way. You feel what I'm saying? So you got the emotion to wanna like be with a with a woman or what have you and but you see in like that they like you gotta come with the bread or not even what they say 'cause a lot of it'll be in your head. You feel me? And you like, damn, I ain't got that money. Like I remember like going up, strolling on the app, right? On a dating journal and I'm like, damn. Like shorty's that be having Louis bags and all that, I put the X like Jhalil: Yeah, yeah, M: We should tell Jhalil: yeah. M: and two Deion: I ain't got no fucking bag money right now, you heard me like I'm not. No, I'm cool, you feel me? But it's the thing of like your mind controlling like your outcome and how you feel and how you live right like why is money or the need of money so present in your mental like that you feel me and we talk about the algorithm we talk about all these things right and you know the value we put on it and then it's like Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: you know so I so in my head I'm like damn I'm not my mind I'm not really my body like it's almost like I'm separate, you know what I mean? I'm the voice that you hear now or what have you. And as I'm talking, my mind talking too like, you feel me? And it's funny because it'll be saying like little shit like, nigga, that ain't high is nigga. Like as I'm saying this to y'all, you feel me? My mind is like saying other shit. But when it comes to like money and all of these different things, I'm following what my mind saying. Like I'm just like he is leading me, but you know you get what I'm saying? Like and so now I say the volume check or the volume shift has to be how I think about money. And and what is the the urgency of like what I'm putting behind it. And I think with that, it'll lessen the noise. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: Of the money, you get what I'm saying? Also, too, is like when you're thinking about something that heavy, your regular natural, life-given things, you neglect them. You feel me? Like, so because you're worried about money, you might not be Chris, you know, as Chris on your everyday stuff. You feel me? Brushing your teeth like. You feel me? Like if you wanna go all the time, you think about money, money carrying you is directing you. I can see a lot of times why people be like skipping baths and all the everyday essentials, you know what I'm saying? Because they just like that's that's the that's the volume. You feel me? That's making the most Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: noise, like And so that's what's carrying it. You get me? I ain't get to that point, y'all. Don't worry about that. I'm washing my ass, y'all. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, but I'm just saying. Jhalil: Yeah. M: I don't judge. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: My nigga. You know what I mean? Like but I think that's important, you feel me? Like do a value check. You know what I mean? And make sure like you know in humanity they try to keep us busy. And obviously what we stating is you said a lot of outside stuff. I'm saying outside stuff that's been, you know, That's taking most of my time or what have you. You know what I mean? And Mike, not even sure just yet, but it's like all of those things take us away from just like everyday human shit. You feel me? Like you talk about it all the time, like really being one with nature. How much do you really do that? M: Yeah. Jhalil: Shit, man, I ain't gonna lie, I fuck with nature, bro. Like but before I even get into anything else, bro, how I look at this shit, man, like even when you on your your dating John and you you know, you looking at John's and them thoughts go in your head, bro, just think about it, bro. Like I don't I don't think it really matter. Like, I think you know, like a lot of women they might portray that they they want this and they want that and all that, but A lot of that shit be like a cry out for help, bro. Cause it's like motherfuckers who really making it and really doing all of this shit, bro, that's not they main it's not they main call to action, bro. They not talking about money every time. They not, you know, and and just like just look at it. Some of the most like some of the most poppin' chicks be laid up with bums. You feel me? Like that that shit don't even you feel me, that shit don't even equate, like 'Cause at the same time you might have some money problems, bro, but you not one of them. Feel me, like you go to work every day. Feel me, you got a house, you you got a truck, you got a fan, like you good, bro, you not even one of them. So don't let don't even let that shit seep in, bro. Deion: No, I'm talking about like like it ain't to that point. I'm talking about like just like imagine right, I'm looking at niggas getting money, money. You feel me? Like like millions. Do all any I'm not sure if if how much our minds on a on a p on a low level can even fandom getting that type of money. It's like what do you what are you gonna think of that's gonna equate to this million dollars that you think you're supposed to have Jhalil: And Deion: or want? Jhalil: Yeah. Actions definitely all line up with it. Deion: You know I mean? Like if your mind You get me? So even so to even have the thought in your mental is like You neglecting your life. You know what I mean? Like, and I I say that about anything, like, so mine's is just money right now, but it's it could be white and black, race stuff, gender stuff, whatever it is, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just saying in my volume check, like these are the the haunting thoughts that's coming through right now, so heavy, and me figuring that out or catching it. And being like, all right, I I I'm identifying like no you try and take me away from just feeling every day of of my appreciation and gratitude of what I do have. You get what I'm saying? Like I like you just listed all of the things, right? And it could be more. And but it's like in my mind I'm like, nigga, I want no, like we need to be living like this. You feel me? I want land. It pissed me off like when I see these drums about food, right? Like I know we gotta start you know growing our own food and all that. And I look around I'm like my front and backyard. M: Hey, we're at Deion: Yeah what I'm saying like you feel me so so then when I'm getting them type of thoughts and then I look at my money It don't go together. So now I'm like, no, I need my money to be like, yo, you feel me? Because Like we wanna be I don't know, I wanna be in the mix. You feel me? I wanna be able to really live and you know what I'm saying? And I'm not doing it. And that should piss me off, you feel me? Like and that's why it's the loudest thing in in my drone right now. M: But should you say but you are eleven. Deion: Mm-hmm. M: Can't let that can't let that influence you that much. Jhalil: Real rare bro niggas be millionaires. Bro, niggas be millionaires with brain cancer. Deion: Right. M: You living. I'm looking at you right now. Like like my man said. Like my man said, you got your you got your house, your truck, your job, your health. That's living. Jhalil: Real shit, bro. 'Cause you could be like, Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: damn, you could have a billion dollars and then two months to live. M: Or a billion dollars and you're not really living. You just you got that money. You Jhalil: Shit. M: just keep chasing money. You ain't even you're not living no more. You living. Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: Yeah. Real shit, dog. But I you know, we we probably all think that shit though. Like, we probably all M: Yeah. Jhalil: go through that too. Like, cause I see certain shit, I be like, damn, bro. Like, M: Me dead. Jhalil: you know, my shit is with the contract then. You feel me? So I'm gonna be like, damn, bro, it's billion-dollar contracts with like Department of Defense and this and that. And and like, yeah, I be putting in biz for certain shit, you feel me? Like, but I can't just be like, damn, if I don't get one, I can't be like, damn, man, I ain't gonna Never get the billion. Or I can't let it seep into the point, like, damn, what I'm doing wrong, not to get the no bro. It's just a building, it's a process, bro. And now it's like I got a little taste of that shit, bro. Like, feel me? Little 30 rack drawn, 40 rack drawn, like and it wasn't like in the lump sum, you know, is is over time when you went contracting, but still, bro. Like, so when you get that taste of it, it's like that shit do have you chasing. But it's like, no, bro, it's there. It's just we gotta find a way to slow down and really, you know, really get to it. Even if that shit like, all right, I do want the mill, but let me focus on making this ten grand a month. This five racks a week or something. You feel me? Cause then it's easier to hit. M: Talmon is everybody. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Real shit, though. Deion: But I don't even think it's I don't even think is is that. Like I think we clever and skillful enough to do all of that stuff. The trouble we have in is the mental part. The you versus you, like. You get what I'm saying? And that's more or less what I'm what I'm speaking on. Like, and that's why I question myself to be like, why at this time is that noise the loudest? And then I walk back from that question like and start really analyzing and looking at it, like, what is that? You feel me? And sometimes e you can even have a thought of feeling guilty about wanting more money when so many people around you struggle. You get what I'm saying? So I I I can understand where Oskino coming from when he talks about guys that got the money in Zimposition, but not using it in the manner that he will use it. You get me? And I get it because his coming from a hungry John. They might have been hungry too, but now that they're full, they not thinking like that. You feel me? And it don't make a right or wrong out of them. It just makes it that's what it is. That's what the two thoughts are. You get what I'm saying? And whether they battle and come to some type of middle ground or not, you still got them thoughts. You get what I'm saying? And I don't know if if you know, constantly wanting more is is a thing that come from Our world like turning upside down from greed. Are you just elevating as a human? Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: You get what I'm saying? Like the farther you go up just the more you would probably want or like you get what I'm saying? 'Cause that's just how it go, right? Like as you evolve you get taller so your clothes get bigger. M: But what's too what's too much? Deion: You know what I mean? Like M: Is it a such thing as too much? Deion: I think it might be the about the intentions, right? Like 'cause me, I see it a just do, right? I mean a a mishap or an injustice. And I'm like, I see me, I wanna be in a position to do what I be feeling. you know, as far as justice goes, right? Like I wish I could have the money to be like not work and like focus on that and then go find a solution for it. But because I gotta work and pay bills and do all of these things every day, that's something I can't just do. So M: Yeah, engachado para Deion: so my Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: my and my thinking is only the the only thing to solve that is to get more money. So that I could I could do that. You you get what I'm saying? Jhalil: Yeah, and that's the mind trap, bro. That's that's like that's kinda like Deion: No. Jhalil: due to all the shit that's going on on the outside too, bro. You feel me? 'Cause like if that shit wasn't put in our face every five minutes, bro, niggas wouldn't be worried about none of that shit, bro. Like I remember like even when I was coming up in like the nineties and shit like that, bro, like, all right, you know my it was motherfuckers who got money and then it was motherfuckers who was just cool with being normal. Feel me, I ain't never really heard nobody talk about millions of dollars and all that like as heavy as we do now. The first like when I when I was a humble coming up, bro, I heard about Master P having millions and shit. You feel me? But it wasn't like all of these people. You feel me? M: Right. Jhalil: But nowadays, it's like every five minutes is a new millionaire. It's this, it's this luxury job. Like I'm on Nordstrom the other day, bro. It was a fucking suit on that drum, bro. One suit. It was just the pants. That shit was like, I think that shit was like $7,000. Some shit just for some pants. I said, God damn. Bro, M: Put some legs. Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: them drones was nice as shit. Don't get me wrong. Like, but come on, bro. Seven bands for some pants, bro. Like, I'm the type, like, even M: When them joins all my street. Jhalil: if I got that. Even if I got that, you think I'm about to spend that shit on some trousers? And get the fuck out of here, bro. So it just be a cat buck, dog, and it's like that just contributes to the outside noise, bro. And that shit get in. Like, yeah, I think if it was people who ain't like, you know, look at and people that look like us and all that shit, if we ain't make that shit such a thing, like with having money and having luxury shit and all that, it wouldn't And man, I don't think it'll even be that poppin', bro. For real, for real. M: Social media. Jhalil: Real shit. 'Cause it's like it's a M: That's where Jhalil: difference, bro. You know, we we all like nice shit. You feel me? So that's just giving, bro. Like, but look at the people we are, bro, like we don't we don't play all Deion: But that's what I'm saying, like Jhalil: that. Deion: I just realized like like how much of a white supremacist that that I am, like you feel me? And I'm trying I'm trying change it and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like and so it make me identify it every time I see it, you feel me? Like and you know in your in your in your spill just now, you like, you know, we separate on wanting a million dollars or not or this and that or living a regular life and being content with that. But then it's like when we talk about things, we be like, we all like nice things. You know what I'm saying? And it's like You know how that's the white supremacy tongue. You know what I mean? Putting everything on everybody, like and having them separations and all of those like dividing things. You know what I mean? Like you like chocolate ice cream, they like vanilla, like right or wrong, eat good or eat like all those dualities, you know what I mean, that's been put in play. And I'm like, I I be catching my tongue a lot. And I'm like, damn, it's a lot of stuff that I think I be saying, I be knowing, but I don't be knowing shit. You get what I'm saying? Like, you know, it feels relieving to even say it, like, all right, now that I'm identifying it, like I'm about to really start dissecting it. And that's what I mean, like, it's not a bad thing to that to have money and do all of these things. M: Not at all. Deion: think I think success for human is Connect them with your mission, your purpose, like what you naturally are here for. And that's my fight. Like I don't want people to fight against the government. Like you should be so busy trying to figure that out. You get me like that you don't got time for nothing else. Like not even to say that you know other people are and other people ain't. Cause you Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: you should be too busy like trying connect with your john. You get me like so. Jhalil: And I think I think that's the difference too, bro. It's like that's what really bring like the motherfuckers who got the bread and got the shit and all that. I think they just they chase their abilities, like the shit that they was good at, the shit that they loved and all that. And then that formulated for them to be able to you feel me, to be in that position. But I feel like if we just try and chase for the simple fact to have it, it's like that shit probably ain't gonna work, bro. Like. But if you know you a artist on Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: the inside, but you try and play ball, you feel me? It's like that shit don't you mean and you might can make it. Don't get me wrong. With enough work or whatever, you probably could make it. But like just that happiness and that fulfillment of doing what you actually put here to do and what you love to do, I think that's gonna take you way further than just trying, you know, just go get a job because they paying this amount and I mean shit like that. And then it is also too like what people determine as nice things. Cause like, yeah, like like I said, like we all like nice things. But what's nice for me might not be nice for Mike. You feel me? It might not be nice for Buck. You feel me? So it's like it's it's all about how we see things. Cause nice to me is just a a good ass quality. You feel me? I'm on I'm on natural fabrics and hundred percent cotton and Hundred percent wool and linen and shit like that. Like so that's what I mean by nice things. It don't you mean you don't gotta say Louie across it. I don't gotta have the the shit everybody got and all that. I rock the the the name brand shoes without the logos on it. You feel me? Some shit you won't even know unless you into that shit. Like, but that's for me though. Like, you know. So it's like I think it's just how you look at the shit, like. But it's all obtainable, bro. Deion: Yeah. M: Yeah. Concurred. Deion: Uncle Mike, you you you quiet M: I concur. Deion: and shit, baby. Jhalil: We M: Now I'm I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm I'm listening. Yeah, pause. Deion: We taking it in, no. M: Yeah. I'm listening. Deion: It's crazy they even Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: had to say that, right? Like I knew when I M: That was crazy. Deion: said it it left my I said, damn. Jhalil: Where Deion: But I be trying be, you know, I be trying to ignore that shit sometimes. But some stuff some of that should be funnier shit. M: Yeah. I try ignore it too, but yeah, some some stuff you just can't say. Jhalil: Yeah, we're all right. Deion: And you got you down to the I'm sure just hit your hair crazy. That shit hit your ears crazy, look. Nope, I mean I see here we go. M: Yeah. Jhalil: bro, right bro. I ain't gonna lie, dog. It be it be fucking Mason Cam, bro. They they really be pumping it, dog. Like that shit, Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: they they really be on that shit. They funny as shit. Like Them niggas ain't letting Deion: Yeah. But no, Jhalil: it slide. Deion: I try to think about stuff without that type of attachment to it. You feel me? And I I was I'm reading a book called The Power of Now by Edgar Toole. You know what I mean? And that's all I'm really talking about, right? Like just being able to be in a moment of your life. You know what I mean? Like M: You don't you don't think you're in a moment of your life? Deion: at this moment, right, I'm tuglin, I'm tussling about these things we talking about. M: That's your life. You don't think so? Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: That's why I was just saying to y'all, like, if a motherfucker wanna write a book. Because he loved birds and whatever the case and he just wanna go outside and find the birds. It's an attachment to that that says like that separates that. And you gotta have money for it. Jhalil: not really, bro. You can M: Yeah. Jhalil: walk down the street. Like you can walk down the street and find birds, bro. Put that shit on the internet, like sell it for fifty cents, sell it for a dollar. You never know, bro. One of them birds might sell a thousand copies. Feel me now, you just got stacked off taking the picture from down the street. Feel me? So it's like it's just about how you see the shit, bro. I don't want you to M: Yeah. Jhalil: get too caught in that, bro. You gotta just go for that shit. Just like we always talk, bro. We just gotta the shit that we be like, damn, we be having that second thought about or we be like, I wanna do this, but I gotta do this. No, sometimes, bro, you just gotta do that shit, bro. You just gotta go against that sometimes, bro. Like even yesterday, I'ma give an example, like I don't really slide out on a solo wall like that. You feel me? So yesterday my man had a pool party or whatever, so I was kinda debating if I was gonna slide to that drone because I was dolo. So I I procrastinated for a while and I'm like, no, I probably ain't gonna go. Then I'm like, no man, fuck that, I'm going. You feel me? Then when I went, that shit was popping. You feel me? I got a new client, everything out of the deal. So it's like sometimes you just gotta fight that shit, bro. You never know what that what that turn gonna be, like when you take until you take it, dog. Shit, I would have Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: been bored in the crib. But I'm like, no, I'm sly. I ended up not being dolo when I got there, so it was cool. M: Bumping in the yeah. That's how I always have. Bumping Jhalil: Mm-hmm. All right. M: Especially when you see in a long time, like, damn, you and this young? Jhalil: Right. No. Deion: Mm-hmm. M: Yeah, but you gotta let that you gotta get that out some men. Deion: Yeah. For conversation's sake. You know what I mean? Like I'm having that dialogue with y'all. M: Yeah Deion: You know what I mean? And I don't want it to go away like by you know Making it like a like a personal isolated thing. You know what I mean? Like I'm cool. You feel me? Like I'm saying like Like in or now, how you imagine your life, like or how you feel within about your life. Are are we where we are? You get what I'm saying? I mean where we wanna be. And is is that even important for the power of now? Like you understand what I'm saying? Like is it important, like like like y'all saying, like, all right, using me, right? You like, yo, personally you doing good, you you doing this and that, right? So the power and now it'd be like me accepting that in the moment and I'm really acceptive of it and have gratitude towards it. You get what I'm saying? And but that's not the case. You feel me? If I'm I'm rumbling with other things that's not even here right now. You see what I'm saying? Like And I think that's like, you know, that's where we are in humanity, like. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: I you know, if if if a if a person getting fucked up by another person, right? If everybody ain't like, damn, that's fucked up. You get what I'm saying? Like, is we really in the power of now? Cause it like what what does it take for a person not to feel that humanity towards another human? M: Everybody different. Deion: It gotta be blockages. It gotta be blockages Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: though for me. It don't matter how different you are. I mean, your blockages could be different. M: Yeah. Deion: Like media is how you perceive and and receive everything in life. So our media from the beginning is our mom and dad. And then our siblings and then our aunts, cousins, they give us our media, right? Like and now, you know, we put it on social media now about how we get our media. You get what I'm saying? And all of that stuff is blockages to the power of mail. Y'all understand what I'm saying? M: To a to it to a yeah, to a degree. Jhalil: Sure, next time. M: Yeah. Jhalil: I don't know, man. But it's like the answer your question is like, do it feel like we support like we f we feel like we supposed to be and all that. It it go back to the last episode, bro. Like, it don't matter how much you want something, bro. It's it's all about the timing, dog. So it's like if I'm right here right now in this space and going through this shit, it's supposed to happen like this. Like that don't mean it's the end result or nothing like that. So it's like I'll be trying like now I'm trying to get better with doing that shit myself. Cause I told you before, I'm like, damn man, I ended all this shit. I'm supposed to be da da da. But if the talks and really like thinking about that shit, I'm like, bro, who the fuck am I? Like I I I know who I am, but at the same time, I don't call the shots on everything or how it goes or how it turns out, bro. That's not up to me. It's not up to us. So it's like, I feel like, yeah, right now, man, it could be just a learning part. It can be more learning to add on. It could be more like more feeling to go through before you hitch your mark or whatever. Like it could be more timing. Like, dog, old head on Morgan Freeman, bro. He was acting since he was a young boy, right? So like he always felt like, damn. He was getting law roles and law clips and all that, like for majority of his life, bro. Like and he he ain't really feel like he was hitting his mark with no prominent parts. Then once he turned fifty, like he became the man. M: Okay, so rolling in. Right. Jhalil: Like, bro, like now he's in everything. Like now he he get parts where it's like you a philosopher, you this, you a president. Like he be having some decent shit. So it's just like I don't know, bro. I think you just gotta we gotta just keep going with our craft, bro. We gotta learn how to rule and adapt with this shit. Like we adaptable like people. So I I M: Yeah, like Jhalil: don't know, bro. I M: Am I at where I thought I would like did my life play out the way I imagined it when I was younger? No. But am I at where I supposed to be at? Yeah. It's we all have thoughts. That don't mean I thought I was gonna go to NBA. That was a pup. It's just a thought. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. M: But my life, where I'm at right now, is where I'm supposed to be at. Everybody like this, this conversation, this is where we supposed to be at. You said that last episode. Jhalil: All right, dog. huh. Deion: So you so you so we accept in the mail, like the now. Jhalil: Yeah, for M: Yeah. Jhalil: sure, bro. Deion: How many times do you do you be like really present in in your day? Jhalil: It depends on what you mean by present. Deion: Like if I'm at work and I'm doing a electric job, am I really doing an electric job? Like, all right, this is why I go here like I'm present, I'm in that. Like or am I doing it and and I'm thinking about what I'm gonna do after work or what I'm about to eat or why my wife about to call me or like you get what I'm saying? That type of thing. Jhalil: Yeah, I stay present, bro. I I don't know, but you know, everybody different, dog. Like it might be sometimes if I'm doing a job and I like, you know, I I might not give a fuck about the job like that. I might not be thinking about it because it's second nature for me to do it. But if certain jobs or certain things, like a new thing or whatever, like I might be real like tuned into that job and I'm not worried about anything else. So M: Right. Jhalil: it's like I don't know. Is it is a time like cause say if somebody M: Is moments. Jhalil: called me, yo, we got a body, a body in this house, da da da da somebody died. Now you know I'm excited. Not that somebody died, but that's like I already know that's my type of shit. You feel me? When when it's time to clean up them scenes and they call me for that, I'm excited, bro. That's I like them y'all's. Feel me? It's the science aspect, is is everything about it. And plus I know you call me for my skill set. You feel me? Like everybody can't do it. So it's like that's Deion: That's easy. Jhalil: yeah, real shit it is crazy, bro. But you already know, though, I called you with the last joint. I said, yo, bro, I don't know if you're gonna be up for it, but it's somebody passed in the crib. You trying to tag in? I was proud, you feel me? Like Deion: Yeah Jhalil: again, not because the person passed. But it's just like, no, bro, like that just mean my skill set is like my shit activated, you feel me? Deion: Mm. Jhalil: So yeah, I can't say I'm present with every single thing and all that, cause that just means a motherfucker perfect. If you you just gonna be present and already like, I ain't on no perfect shit, M: Yeah. Jhalil: dog. So sometimes my shit do one. I might be worried about if I'm gonna eat or I might wanna smoke a black. You feel me? It is Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: what it is. M: Mine always drifting every once in a while. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. I don't M: Yeah. Jhalil: think it's just meant to just stay on one thing the whole time. Like, you know, like that shit drive a lot of people crazy, bro. When they be focused on one thing just too much, excessively thinking, excessively moving on one thing. Like sometimes that'll fuck you over. Deion: That's what I'm saying though. You think that's natural or do you think like that's from the way of this life? M: That's that's natural. Jhalil: think that shit just natural. M: When you was a kid, you was Deion: Matchup. M: thinking about what you're doing when you after you woke up. I wonder what they're doing later on today. It's just natural. You always think about always think about the future. Deion: Really. M: NGPS. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Yep. right. Deion: I said crazy. I asked my son like, damn, what you think about, son? He like nothing. So it's like nothing, bro. Jhalil: that's probably a great space to be though. Like real, bro. I can't think about the last time my shit was just chilling like I ain't think about M: Yeah, at that moment. Deion: But looking at his That's what I'm saying though. Looking at his face though, it looked like a lot was going on, you feel me? Which made me ask him that question and shit. Jhalil: Mm. Deion: But it's like I was saying that to say a point, like you feel me? Like for me to even ask that and him to even reply that, and for me to even accept that is a whole different drone. You feel me? Like, you know, bo it's hard for a motherfucker to accept, like, what? Like nothing. Like your face was just balled the fuck up. It couldn't be nothing. Like, you get what I'm saying? Like, and we'll go on and on and whatever. Right? So M: That was something he ain't want you to know. Deion: Yeah, but all of that's a part of the training, right? But then I say it to be like, this is what we talking about when we get in these moments. 'Cause it's like life is generating as we go on. You know what I mean? Like if we end the in the now, like but got the moments where we like you get what I'm saying? That stuff start coming back to your mind. And it kinda like Hey you you know. Jhalil: Yeah. I ain't like a little trick that I do with my daughter when she be in her little moody shit, like I like if I was to ask her a question and she'd be like nothing or I'll just be like, so what you wanna do that's fun? Or like what happened at camp today that was funny to you? What happened at like what made you feel some type of way at school or what made you happy today? Like I just try to, you know, divert it just to get that opening. You feel me? Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: Sometimes that's just how kids work. They might not want to speak exactly about, you know, what's going on right now. On some real shit, bro, you could have been getting on his fucking nerves. M: Okay, okay. Deion: Nah, but it it it would I be saying like I be talking about the thing and not really the person. That's why I say it it ain't really M: Yeah. Deion: personal for me. I'm not talking about my son for real. I'm just saying like I was Jhalil: Yeah, it's just objective. Deion: I was utilizing him to try bring my my point home or what have you. Jhalil: Okay. Deion: You know what I mean? Like but You know, I definitely, you know, h h heard everything you were saying and sh and That's what I mean though, like what make it what make you defensive? If somebody says something to you like what would make you respond defensively? and and that's not in your your your nail. Like if I'm not bothered in my nail and then somebody says something and then I become bothered. M: You always become bothered. Deion: Like how we allow it, M: It depends. That's the moments as well. Like 'cause somebody could say something to me. If I'm not, if I'm if I'm pure at the moment, like I not I'm not bothered. I'd be like, whatever, I brush it off. But if something was already in my mind and somebody say something to me, you get different reactions. You know what I mean? I guess it all depends on the type of the Deion: So you talking about you talking about more Jhalil: Okay. Deion: or less, you talking about a mood. M: But I think moves that would that would that would build reactions. Deion: The mood you in. M: Yeah, that creates the reaction. You don't think that? Deion: And what created the moon. What created the move? M: I don't know, waking up to free man, clear space. Deion: Yeah. M: Some sometimes your mind is cluttered, sometimes your mind is clear. When it's clear, I think you most people in a good mood when your mind is clear. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Sometimes I have a dumbass dream and I wake up I be mad as shit. And I'll be like, yo, that's crazy. How like something in a dream gonna make me mad? Like then I gotta bring myself back and I'll be like, damn, that's crazy, bro. But like I I definitely agree, like the mood bring the reaction. But then I hear you too, Buck, like where do the mood even come from initially? Like like where do that where do it come from? And I don't know, bro. Like I really don't know where it come from. Deion: Well, Jhalil: Rose shit. Deion: I think we answered it earlier, right? Like a lot of times the answer is in the question we asked. You know what I mean? And if we really broke it down, like we'd get it. You feel me? Like and so thinking about all of this outer stuff, you know what I mean? Like the outer stuff kinda like, you know, put on for the inner stuff, but And how you attach that stuff. You get what I'm saying? 'Cause Two humans from two different spaces, right? Like say a European and a in a in a in a for our sake, we're gonna say Native American. You know what I mean? and black and white. And they coming along like the way the white guy was raised, he ain't had to do with anything that would like make him react. And think violence like right away. But a lot of our teachings and everything be like It kinda set up for that. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: You know what mean? Like we can't let nobody talk to us any type of way. And it's so crazy 'cause that just that one statement could fuck up your whole life 'cause If if God had a mission for you to listen And that's what I be saying about our natural power now in doing our mission and success being like when we unite or align with our our purpose. You get what I'm saying? Like It's it's I'm forty one. My shit's so muddy. I'm so far from myself for real and like because of all these layers of things I endured or incurred like throughout my life. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: You get what I'm saying? Look. That that a natural thing probably be I had all these different emotions about it. Like you see your son cry about something that you deem not that important or something, and you like, yo, suck that shit up. Like fuck is you like what you bitching for? This like all these different things. But he he doing a natural thing. Which is relieving his emotions through his you get what I'm saying? Like whatever Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: feeling emotion that came up is coming out through a pour and that's the eyes and it and that's what a cry is, right? Like the evaporations from the the ocean go up into the sky and after a while like it c it it creates Like a a water like j and now we got rain. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. We so away from humanity that we don't get that we connected to that. You know what I mean? Like our everyday life goal ain't to like really examine and explore this earth as it was designed. We talk about being football players, b rappers, doctors, lawyers. You get what I'm saying? And we go and living that life. And that's what I mean about the power now and us as humanity. Like we so far from, you know what I mean? Like it's important for us to be like, like, no, we we wanna know where we came from and this and that. And no, y'all stole our identity and y'all did this. But meanwhile, like they still they still in our life, cause now we worried about that instead of M: Right. Deion: You get what I'm saying? Jhalil: Yeah. M: You think about that? Jhalil: Yeah. M: You think about where you're from? Jhalil: I don't I already know where I'm from. I'm from America like a motherfucker. Like I Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: mean, but I ain't trying to hear none of that, dog. I ain't come nowhere on the boat, neither did my great great grandpa, great grand, none of that shit, bro. We was right here. If anything, we probably down south, west coast, some M: Well. Jhalil: other shit, but it was here, bro. I ain't trying to hear that shit, man. Deion: Okay. Jhalil: I don't believe that story, not one bit. Like real rare man, like I said before, bro, it's no disrespect to like my African brothers and sisters and all that, 'cause I fuck with them heavy. But it's like, nah, bro. It's like, you know, you get intuition. Like people get intuition and you get feelings and and shit like that, bro. That don't just come from nowhere either, bro. It's already instilled. Like we got a natural, M: Hello. Jhalil: like lie detector in the inside, cuz like M: When when how long you been thinking Jhalil: Yeah. M: like that? Jhalil: Shit, I always thought like that, bro. Real right. I M: Is a butt. Jhalil: ain't gonna lie. Yeah, real right. M: You ain't you ain't that you came from Africa as a pub. Jhalil: No, bro, cause it just it don't add up. Like I seen ships, bro, and like, all right, I'm a nature boy. You feel me? So it's certain parts in the ocean where it's like, bro, that shit too treacherous. Like, ain't no boat, like, no boat back then that's just wood and like. It it ain't gonna make it, bro. It ain't gonna make it nine thousand two hundred miles across the ocean and all these crazy like no, bro, it ain't gonna happen. So transporting a whole group of people, bro, like millions of people and all of that. I don't believe that, dawg. Like real break. Cause you can't even M: I thought like that as I got older. When I was a pup, I believed that I like I'm African. Deion: Mm. Jhalil: Yeah. M: When I was a pup, you couldn't tell me I wasn't Deion: Yeah. M: African. Mm. Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: I just I don't know. I just I ain't never feel like all right, like, you know, as I got older, I'm like, damn, now I really believe like we the Native Americans. Like I always felt like we was M: Yeah. Jhalil: black though. I ain't it wasn't really no determination. I knew we was a race of people. I just always thought we was from here. Deion: Enlightenment. Jhalil: Plus the like the science part, it just it don't add up, bro. Like you can't even tell a motherfucker what they don't wanna hear now. You feel me? You'll be in a in a fucking altercation, you'll be rumbling whatever. So for me to just go tell six thousand people from this one place or however many people, like, no, come on. But like you said, with a musket. It's like, come on, bro, get the fuck out of here. Like M: With a musk, right. Jhalil: one shot. Deion: Wear a musket. I don't like the junior. Jhalil: One side, bro. Like M: One shot, Joe. Then they gotta stuff that shit bag. Jhalil: you shoot that shit, you gotta pull a joint out and and do all this dumb ass shit, bro. He gonna be dead Deion: Mm. Jhalil: meat. All of these obstacles that was put in like like black Americans' way, bro, is like for what? Like what what y'all do all that for to hide our history to the point where it's like we even gotta have these talks, like damn, is we from Africa? Damn, is we from like how everybody else know where they from, bro, but we just we just labeled as black. Like, damn, where the black come from? Deion: But that's why I'm saying like no, no, no. Jhalil: That shit too much to think about, bro. That's another joint that'll take you like Deion: I don't want to think about it. It's like Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: like I said, if the design is for humans. All that other stuff is just d it distract Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: you from it. You get what I'm saying? Like Jhalil: 'Cause it really don't even matter. Deion: Are you from this region so you Chinese, you from China and this you get what I'm saying? Like all these different things and it's like I know it it's for us in America or whatever. You feel me? Like I told you like you throw something on the table, everybody talking about it. And I feel like that's a that's that's the cat. You know what I mean? Like that's the biggest cap. The fact that we Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: be we be talking about like you know where we from and all of these things, like but it's not from where are humans from, it's just black or white or Chinese or Jamaican or African or whatever. You get what I'm saying? So for M: And what does that matter? Deion: me, for me, it takes away humanity. 'Cause now we don't look at each other the same. Jhalil: We go through that every day, bro. Like, and this is like unfortunate that like 'cause a lot of people do go through this. I'm not gonna say like black people the only ones who go through this shit, bro. But like it's a lot of situations where they try to act like we're not human. Feel me? They do whatever to us, say whatever to us, like all type of shit, bro. It's motherfuckers reading applications like, that sounds like a black man. We gonna go with the white candidate, we gonna go with the The Chinese candidate. We gon' like it's too many obstacles in the way. So it's like, yeah, like don't nobody wanna think about that. But at the same time it's like, come on, bro, like, why gotta be so hard just to be a human? Like, that's that's the part where I be stuck at, bro. Deion: That's that's why I'm like the power now. 'Cause right now in your house. That's just in your mind or in this conversation. That's not your world. That's not what you living in. That's not what you experimenting right now. Well, you ain't experimenting. Jhalil: Nigga walk in the walk in the bank right now, try to go get a loan, bro. Deion: I'm talking about the power of now you sitting in your house on a chair talking to us. You feel me? And that that's that's what I meant by the power of now. Like, you get what I'm saying? Like, we so into like what's not happening. And I know, you know, like I said, we haven't a conversation, so I'm not making it like, you know. This is what you live by and think about and dream all. You Jhalil: Yeah. It's objective, like it ain't subjective, it's objective. Yeah. Deion: know, and I'm I'm I'm just saying this, you know, for the sake of the conversation and the people that's listening. You know what I mean? Like, because we ultimately have in these dialogues through our personal lens for other for everybody to listen and and you know, incorporate if they want or not, or engage in a comments, you know what I mean. Leave comments too, yo. Comment on the drone. you know, like, share, subscribe and all that type stuff. You know what I mean? Cause we be having these dialogues for everybody to chime in on. For me, my intent is like for us to just, you know, get somewhere with it that makes sense. You know what I mean? Like, cause right now, battle and all that stuff kind of don't make sense and it's is We we prolong it more years and we ain't come up with nothing yet that everybody gonna agree with. And the only thing I can see that we would agree on is if we all start looking at everything as humanity like. You feel me? Cause if I'm human, you human. That's the fuck the most important. You feel me? Now we can break it down and then get into, you know. The region you in is China and y'all it grows rice and that could be good for humanity and trade. You get what I'm saying? Like, but anything else, I'm like. They making that shit. They making us busy. And we wasting a lot on on us being busy. You know what I mean? Like Jhalil: So let me ask you a question. It's like, alright, I I understand. You know, like it would be better if, you know, we just you know, could be on some human shit, but it's like I I is a reason. It's a reason why like people even, you know, why we even gotta have these conversations. And it's like I feel like that part can't just go unsaid. That part just can't be, you know, like we can't just keep brushing through. Like we can't keep brushing through, bro. And I feel like to be honest, it gotta be like some repercussions to shit, bro. Like I'm not Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: saying it gotta be violence, belt the ass from the rip. But it gotta be like some type of like compensation, bro. Like, motherfuckers done been through a lot, bro. And like I said, it's not just our race. But motherfuckers done been through a lot, bro. So it's like, how many times we see it in history where it's like, all right, no, well, we not gon' fuck with regular Wall Street. We gonna build Black Wall Street. We gonna do this. We gon' do this. We gon up this part of town. And then now them towns is under rivers and lakes and shit. You know, blew Black Wall Street up. Black people then invented all of this shit. And then it's like the the rightful shares and and benefits don't go to the people who created it nor their families. So it's like, I definitely understand that. Like, you know, it's not getting nowhere for us to keep talking about it. But I think it'd be going somewhere for us to start doing something about it. But I ain't one of them people that you could just keep pushing me over, keep pushing me over, keep pushing me over. I'ma just get up and and just keep taking different ways. Fuck that. I just I don't believe in Deion: But you but you Jhalil: that. Deion: but you are Native American. Jhalil: Mm. Yeah, we're all right. Deion: If you're a native if you're a Native American, then you got kicked out your own land. Jhalil: Wow, this it's it. Who you gonna deport me to, Philly? Deion: And and then and then like how you think now is not yours no more. Like it's not your Native American way of thinking. Jhalil: No, I ain't say I don't feel like it's not mine. But I'm just saying though, like for for you to Deion: You saying what you saying about Jhalil: even or for for us to even be having like thoughts about making millions of dollars and being successful and things like that, like, you feel me? It ain't it ain't just come from from people just being lazy, from people not doing this and and not doing that, bro. It's other aspects that's lumped in with it. That's all I'm saying. I ain't and I'm not saying that my way to think about and go about shit is right. But Deion: You know what I'm saying? Like that's the white supremacy I was talking about that I got in me too. Like it has to be a consequence. You see what I'm saying? That type of language, if we Native Americans, I don't think that's our language. If we the chosen people, I don't think that's our language. You know what I mean? Like M: What consequences? Is a I think that's Deion: Huh? M: our language. That's that's that's not revenge. Is every consequences Deion: The Venus Vervan. Jhalil: No, it's not even revenge, bro. It's like redemption. M: ain't the revenge, yeah. Deion: And we looking at right the history of what they be saying, right? For all of these people to colonize one place, if it's true, Africa's been colonized a lot. What kind of people would you say can get that done to And in the hood, what do we say about that same type of person or everybody run down on? You know what I mean? Like if everybody running down on you, what are you? M: See, I they got caught. They got they Jhalil: Yeah. M: they got caught slipping. Ha ha ha. Deion: Michael is a righteous number. I'ma say M: Yeah. Deion: all the right shit. He political tonight? He said, well. M: They got caught, they got caught, they got caught slipping, that's all that was. I ain't gonna say they was Jhalil: real rap, bro. M: I ain't gonna say they was some nut. They was they yeah, they think Deion: In the M: they they you know people get backstabbed all the time. They thought they was just people, yeah, we we we allow you to come in, chill with us, you know what I mean? They went back door. Deion: Okay. M: They don't some crafty shit. That shit happens. Happened to the the toughest, the toughest Jhalil: Yeah, and that shit happened all. Deion: Yeah. M: motherfucker. Deion: All I'm saying Jhalil: Massive. Deion: is like, all I'm saying is like if we wanna go forward, we gotta like really unlearn cause. If if we're gonna say we natives or Africans, we don't portray none of that. We trip we portray white supremacy, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Like, let's keep it G. We've been here too long. You know how it is. You go to Baltimore, you stay too long, you go come back talking about coup and M: Yeah. Deion: do. All these different M: Yeah. Deion: things, you feel me? Like. If you a man born in the fucking jungle amongst apes and gorillas, you probably walk on your floor. And confined to that, whatever it is. You get what I'm saying? M: So how you think we gonna learn it? Deion: Is that how we learn it? M: What's what's what's what's the process today? Deion: what? Learning M: You basically saying like I learned the like the revenge and the basic the killing and stuff that's going on, how we treat each other. Deion: Man, it'd be tough as shit to like just think in humanity. You know what I mean? Like human to human, how would you treat a person? If we having conversations like can we turn down the volume on white, black, yellow, and all these new colors they done developed now? We call them people yellow, brown, you know the yellow brown people. M: Orange. Deion: We we call that respectful. Like that's a that's disrespectful like a bottle for. When you don't even got a say in none of it. Jhalil: That's it. I don't think we Deion: But to even be sitting here worried about it is like I feel like it take away from humanity, like Jhalil: would had to worry about it if it wasn't like happening to us, like Deion: That's why I'm saying, that's why I say it'd be hard to visualize anything outside of this to even move us in that direction. Cause somebody always gotta stay on that gnaw. fuck that this happened to me so you know I y'all can move the fuck on if y'all want but because we didn't been that damaged. Jhalil: So you gonna do that to the bully? Like so if somebody bully you, you just gonna be like, all right, no, I'ma I'ma find peace. Even though he keeps fucking me up, taking my shit, I'ma Deion: No, I think we're thinking we're like Jhalil: find peace with him, and then we just gonna be cool. I I don't know, bro. I don't see that, bro. It's only one way, like to solve the bully, cause Well I ain't gonna say it's only one way. But like that's ma that's the main way, like, to get the bully to stop fucking with you. You gotta defend yourself. Deion: No, it is only one way. It's only one way. It is only one way. It is only one way when we think in and we in that. You get me? Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: If I pronounce bully, it comes with a definition. So all that's attached to that, yeah, that's true. That's real. You get what I'm saying? You can't take away that these things are happening in reality. I'm saying because they so present in reality, we don't fand them another reality that we can switch to. Therefore, it ain't gonna be a switch button. No, we hear this reality, this real life, this how we're dealing with it. You know what I mean? Like a nigga punch you in the face, you punch him back in his face, nigga. Like And according to how we living, that's the right thing to do. You get what I'm saying? If we if if we No, I'm saying I'm just I'm just saying Jhalil: So which you feel is the right way. Like I that's what I'm trying to get to. Deion: if we don't think about being in that space at all, them thoughts wouldn't even come to to calculate. You get what I'm saying? Jhalil: Bad. M: I don't think that's really being in that space. I just think like I don't think that's Americanized, whatever you saying. I think that's just natural. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: No, what I'm saying to you, right? A a black guy get punched in the face, he gonna punch another nigga back in the face. White guy M: As he's supposed to. Deion: do it a white guy do it, it might be different. Chinese guy, Asian guy, Indian guy, it's all gonna be different according to With that intercepted in this life. So I'm saying if you in that, we all gonna say, yeah, that's right. That's like damn. If now if we take if we take our same vision and how we think about this and put it on the white, we're gonna be like, yo, you're a sucker, cause you ain't respond back how we know or what we accepted to be right over here. You feel me? It's like that for a reason. So if we talking white supremacy, we gotta wash all that shit out. You can't take none of that revengeful shit to the new world when we get over there. If we end racism today, it's just gonna be black supremacy. Cause we already white supremacy out. You get what I'm saying? Like, M: Yeah. Deion: if if we Americanize, this is how we grew up in Americanized ghettos, if if we switch racism, we're taking all of that with us. And we rock with it because we live by it. Like, we don't just talk about this shit. No, niggas honor this shit. Like, nigga, you supposed to be loyal. We all poor, nigga, you stay poor too. We we that loyal. If if not, then you against us. You see what I'm saying? So and you get you can go to the trella parks for that. Yeah I mean you could go to the police department for that. Let you side with a citizen and see what happens. You feel me? Like And it and it could be in the cop mind that nah that's the right thing, but because of his badge and everything that's defined under that badge, he can't go do some human shit. Some human right shit to be like, nah, that's just ain't right. No human should go through that. You gotta think like, nah, that's my job. That's how I feed my family. You see the attachment they put with it, so that you so far from human just being a regular human. That's why I'm saying that's white supremacy. So I imagine back then, if if tribes was getting colonized and took in and all of that, they were sweet for it. Or they just ain't thinking no violent manner. Like they just they they are they was just that naive to it's like, y'all coming into our land. come on, share what we got here. But the M: I think that's how it was. Deion: but the but the colonizers like no. We of greed, we want this shit. They're like, damn, but we could just share it. No, we'd rather not even share, we're gonna take it off. And I know growing up in the streets, that was my mentality. Like, we gonna take this shit. them black niggas over there getting, we're gonna take this. So I'm a white supremacist. You get what I'm saying? So I We gotta even we gotta even identify and separate from that before we even like get to like living really how, you know, we would as humans. Cause we we really I don't like planning, but like we if we are the original people, like we are that that Jesus Christ. We that Christ like we showing we supposed to show the world how to be. For real. You know what I mean? Like art. That's why cookouts and all that shit, that should be pop, cause it's like my Aunt Bessie, bro, and like nigga walking down the street, bro. You hungry? We haven't a cookout. That's us. You bro? That's M: Get some. Right, right. Deion: us. Like, you feel me? And the motherfucker M: Yeah. Deion: took that away from us. Like we that's us. And and now M: S yeah. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: if you do it, it kinda make you feel shameful for being that way. Like, no, bro, you ain't got the joint. Come on, man, your mom can't. I take these drones off and give it to you. That's real melanated people, bro. You get me? Like not shitting on each other and all that. That's cause we living in white supremacy. That we don't shit on each other like w that's not us. M: Right. I agree with that. Deion: You know what mean? Like so we a real definition of what a human should be, bro. And we we get confused doing because we like, no, like you know what I mean? Like, but no. You know, like they depict Jesus sat there and took all that abuse, all that everything, bro. But we're Jhalil: Yeah, I I ain't hit that level of maturity yet, bro. Like I'm Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: sorry, cause like I I always been a peaceful boy, you feel I ain't never just bullied motherfuckers and all that. You feel me? I remember being a young boy and like being happy and playing my friends and flipping and all that and then the motherfucker tried to bully me. You feel me? It was like I wasn't thinking about Being a fucking like getting bullied or none of that shit. You feel me? And that shit happened. And once it happened, I'm like, no, that shit don't feel good at all. So I can't let nobody M: Yeah. Jhalil: bully me. You feel me? Like that's that's just not gonna happen, bro. Real shit. And Deion: Are you gonna get the Jhalil: it's like, I understand, you know, like how they say Jesus was, you know, Christ-like and he was like M: Yeah, but Jhalil: the good man, but don't I don't I don't think I don't think he was sweet. Like, you feel me? I don't think he was sweeten either. Like, real right, bro, like just be honest, bro. I don't I come on bro. I don't think he was sweeten either, dog. Deion: No, if you if you reading them stories, you like Well bro, it's sweet. Jhalil: Like you all good, bro, so you ain't like you ain't hit nothing on the side. You ain't like, come on, bro, like Deion: Look how they looked at Martin. They was like, look look how they look at that, right? Niggas be like, turn the up turn the other cheek. That's Martin. By any means is Malcolm. Who niggas pick, bro? Stop playing like you know what he's saying. Exactly, like. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Jhalil: Yeah. Yeah, I I'm with Malcolm, bro. I'm still with Malcolm, bro. I ain't listen, bro. That shit bam from the rip, bro. I'm sorry. Like you treat me accordingly, I treat you accordingly. We can do something. But like if you don't treat me the same way that I'm treating you, bro, like I'm not having that. So like I agree in a sense, like, yeah, we supposed to, you know, treat people how we wanna be treated, be humans, be humane, you know, love and and all it. I ain't taking nothing away from that, bro. I ain't taking away nothing from the new world either. But I just know if we was to transition to a new world and motherfuckers still bought that and nut shit with bro, something got s like something gotta happen, bro. Really. Deion: So I say right, I say, if me and you in our journey of life cross paths, right? On your way to this crossing, you was the good guy. And then when we crossed, I switched our ship. And now when you continue your life, you you're not the good guy no more. You good with that, you or you'll feel some type of way. Jhalil: No, I just that's that's you can't do that. Cause like what's for you is for you. What's for me is for me. Like that ain't gonna stop me from being a good person just because somebody do some bullshit. You feel me? Or just because you you feel me, like you exert a certain energy towards that don't mean I gotta inherit that same energy. Feel Deion: No, you do. Jhalil: me? M: He said, No, you do. Deion: You did inherit. You switched. Jhalil: Man, listen, bro. Cause I ain't I ain't gonna lie, bro. I ain't never I ain't never pulled no gat out and rob a motherfucker. I ain't never hang nobody from a tree. I ain't never kill no like you feel me? Come on, bro. Like, but still we see that shit every single day, dog. And I'm not saying this is right or wrong or nothing, but hey man, shit happens, bro. And I just know like People like people gonna be people, bro. But I know once another thing about people too, people gonna do what you allow them to do. Real shit, dogs. Right. So it's like, yeah, dog, you feel me? I I walk with I walk with a log, bro, but I still got my sword. You feel me? Like That's just what it is, bro. Like. Might not have to use it, but I might have to. You feel me? And if I have to, it's gonna be to the best of my like, me trying to dissolve the situation, me trying to, you know, be a person first. But if not, bro, I'm sorry. So yeah, like I said though, man, you know, like you got a little bit more time, like a little bit more time than me, bro. I ain't reached that maturity yet, like. And I'm fine with that. Deion: I don't know if it makes anything to do with time, but M: Yeah. Deion: But that's what I mean. Like I'm I'm not s I don't want to say anything that's gonna separate us. You get what I'm saying? Like and nor do I have to be, you know, defended. Like if that's your view of the elephant, though that's what it is. But with all of this stank, it's kinda hard for humans to accept humans look You get what I'm saying? Like we put so much of our stuff on each other versus like really getting to understand and know where the opposite, you know, person is is on. M: Mm. Deion: You know what I mean? Like it and it's so subtle, right? Like you could be like, No, Tank or beat Shakur up, like He'd be like no, secure, be you me. And like just having that like all right, cool. You know, it it can't just be accepted, like, no. You get something with that, like you feel me? Like You ain't on my side, brother. Jhalil: Yeah, but I ain't gonna lie, sometimes that ain't the case though, bro. It's just like you said, bro, opinions race opinions. Cause you know, bro, like all right, you my man, bro, but you also big brother to me. You feel me? I call you for certain shit and I be like, damn, bro, this the only motherfucker that can, you know, put in a different perspective and all. You know, we go back and forth with opinions all the time. You feel me? But at the same time that shit is healthy. Like 'cause it ain't to the point we gon' start beefing or nothing. A lot of that shit you'll be like, yo no, bro, you dead wrong with that shit. And I'll M: Mm. Jhalil: be like, Damn, that shit might sting at the time, bro. You feel me? That shit might sting a little bit, but then when I think about it, I'm like, damn, no, I see where he came from and I feel him. You feel me? So it's like that's necessary too. Like, that's Deion: Mm. Jhalil: definitely necessary too, bro. Like I ain't always right. You ain't always right. It's cool, bro. But together keep having these dialogues and input from other people, bro, that's how we get to formulate the right way for all of us. M: Yeah. Jhalil: I doubt that it's just gonna be all of us just in agreement at any point of time. M: No, it can't be. Deion: What did you think about it? M: Everybody different. That's for your personality, Jhalil: Right. M: your your upbringing. Everything separates us. Deion: Yeah. M: Like you, like even black. Like you saying how you t yeah, I don't know what what what what what came across you now that is peaceful. Peaceful Like Jhalil: Me M: 'cause I'm peaceful too. I'm I'm with you on that. But what came a what what changed? Deion: You you make it like, I wasn't so peaceful before. M: No, like like No, you was I'm not Jhalil: Yeah. M: saying you wasn't peaceful, but your mind's your you yeah like you was out here terrorizing shit. No. Like your mind, your your thoughts. Your thoughts wasn't like this. Well Deion: I guess just evolving and mature and as a human, like. But I think this always been there, like like I s that's why I'm saying, like me as a human, I always been here, but Because of my training and programming, I I hush me. I hush, I hush me. And that's what you get in a lot of humanity. You get hushed people until they're able to have a voice and speak. You know what I mean? Like so it might seem like it's just coming out, but I don't even speak this this clear without, you know, going through all them experiments. You know what I mean? So in the in the answer to the question, it's like, yeah. you know, 'cause we I I d you know, I seen guys who we say squares later in life, they done been through jail and they you know what I'm saying? Like they different. Like really different. And at the time of the crime, you wouldn't have thought like that's why when you hear it, you be like, who, ooh, but M: Right. Yeah. Deion: you still think you like, you feel me? And a lot of that, like, is that we can't grow in humanity because of all these blockages. If if you see me as a young boy and you my old head. It don't matter how many years I start getting older, it gotta be a thing that proves to you that cross me over to being a man now, and you not looking at me as a as the same young boy you met. You feel me? Even on a comma john, right? When you get when you see the guys from school, you kinda got it in your mind like they still gonna be who they was when you knew them. You feel me? You not thinking ten years later, he a father now the like the jokes you used to crack on him, he ain't even he's so serious now. You like, yeah, you bitch ass nigga. M: Okay. Deion: And a lot of that could be just cause like you still stuck. in that past or that's just where you're mental at far as those memories go. You know what M: Mm. Deion: I mean? Because Say we left school and we still was together every day. We still see ourselves as we develop. You know what I mean? But how can them ain't see us and then when we get together, I niggas still wanna play wrestle or hey bro. Jhalil: Re M: Okay. Deion: Nigga try and gristle you and shit like Jhalil: Mm-hmm. M: It's Deion: He No, remember I used to bang you on the locker, bro? M: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: I have three kids, right there. Fucking bang me on no locker like my beard gray as shit. We look nutty Jhalil: I M: There goes Jhalil: Any Deion: as shit out here. You know me. But no, I I be saying a lot of this stuff just to have the human dialogue. And M: Yeah. Deion: like I say, man, you know, I can separate my personal from what I think. You know what I mean? And that's where my conversation come from, like. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: As y'all know I'm a everyday ass human, bruh. I get angry like a motherfucker and this whole conversation be null and void, you hear me? You know what I mean? But I know that I do wanna get to a space where we can be in that that you know, motherfucking Pleasantville. Y'all seeing Pleasantville? M: I never see that shit. Deion: Y'all remember that movie? It was a black woman. Jhalil: I kinda I kinda understand what you saying though, like like Deion: Like it was perfect M: Yeah, I don't see what you're saying. I don't see that Deion: and yeah yeah. Jhalil: Right man. I don't know. I'm still growing too, man. Like every day. Like I know my transition, bro, like how I was before it, bro. Like, I wasn't I wasn't always thinking my shit like all the way through, like emotionally, like feel me. It was all women in my shit. So I you mean, like I I'm thinking with the fist from the rip, like that used to be my twist, dog. I ain't Ain't really doing all that. But now as I got older, bro, it's like it don't be no need for that because I'm not exerting that. Like I don't I don't feel like that no more, bro. I I feel like I got a bigger mission to do. I got kids and I gotta lead a good example and you know, I rather just I'd rather be a model citizen. Like, you feel me? That that feel better than being on the criminal side, bro. I done been on that side. That shit ain't feel good. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: So now in the age of growing and maturing, it's like, nah, bro, like perception is a big part. Like how you see yourself, bro, you want the world to see you in that same light. You feel me? Like that's what I be on nowadays. But I can't I can't say that, like, yeah, I just got all my maturity out of the way and you know, I'm a nah bro, you feel me? I still be with that bullshit too sometimes. I ain't gonna Deion: That's just it. Jhalil: I don't believe in that, like being too good shit. Like, when niggas be too good, bro, it's crazy. This just an opinion. But like, I seem f I feel like when motherfuckers like just too too too good, bro, like they be the motherfuckers that die early, bro. Real shit. Should be crazy sometimes, dog. Like, if you got it all together, you you got all your your ducks in a row and all, what's the point? It's time to You you feel me? It's time to go up and elevate you something. Deion: That's why I'd be asking like, is that a natural thought or is that a thought geared towards like You having that thought. Jhalil: I don't know, bro. It's just a feeling. Rare, it's just a feeling, dog. I don't know where it came from or nothing, but like I don't determine that on like just anything, bro. That's just like what I seen through my lens, bro. Like Deion: No. Jhalil: So that might not be the case for everybody, you feel me, but I don't know. I just know if you still got some shit to work out, you still got some shit to, you know, solve and mature from and all that, I feel as though like, yeah, you gonna be here to actually learn it probably. Deion: What you mean like stay around in life? Jhalil: Yeah. Right. Like you finish your mission early as shit, what's the point? It's like Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Alright bro. Somebody some some people probably just mean mission end early, bro, and they just go home or whatever. Like I don't know. I just Deion: I'm there. Jhalil: like my shit a little bit of both, bro. Like niggas really like a scale, a little bit of both, bro, for me. Like. Deion: But that's why I'm saying, like, that's the only one you know, I think. Jhalil: You say, is that the only one I know and think? Deion: I said that's the only one you know, I think. Jhalil: I guess so. I don't know, man. Shit. Just know I'm going with the flow of it. Deion: I mean, that's what I'm saying, because we don't know a world of Pleasantville. We don't know that perfect John. Of Jhalil: Yeah, real shit. Deion: if we rock out every day and be happy and do, we don't know that. Jhalil: Yeah, definitely don't. How you think how you think Pleasantville would be? Like, and this this objective, like, you feel me? This just a like say if we didn't go through all of this shit that we went through and like look at it from a perspective, all the shit that we did go through. Like 'cause sometimes I'll be like, damn, living like live on some Pleasantville shit, that shit probably is cool. Don't get me wrong, it's probably a great place to be. Like taking myself out of my situations and everything that bored me to be me. Yeah, cool. That's perfect. But from where I'm coming from now, bro, that should've be like, man, I should probably ass over there. I ain't gonna Right. Deion: That's why I'd be like, is it hard? Because it's like As a humanity we'll probably be like, damn, that little baby died, right? I I'll take another a perfect drawing, right? G baby from Harb Harbaugh. Right? We all seen that, John. Jhalil: Animals. Yeah. M: Yeah. Deion: That shit was emotional because you felt that as a human, like, damn. Young boat was taken away Jhalil: Yeah, I was saying they should M: Ha ha ha. Deion: too. You feel me? All you think about? Jhalil: What's the nut ass shit? I was sad as shit, bro, real work. Deion: All you thought about was his smile and everything, like, damn, that was too short. Cause you comparing it too, like you've been living this long. You feel me? So you looking like there's old people in this rim of a world. So him living that short of a life is like. You mean? But It c it was a lesson for others to learn. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: You get me? Like Jhalil: Yeah so Deion: You know, we gotta think of like you we gotta think of being like, you know, the government they own us and these social security numbers and all these conspiracy theories and shit, right? But like in God language on some spiritual shit, our children are loners. They not really ours. We don't get to say how long they gonna be here when they come, none of that. Like We don't even know when we're gonna have but you know, once we get we got the attachment of ownership to be like, you feel me? M: Mm. Deion: So we how we even know, like you feel me? Because when they die that you gonna feel that shit 'cause of this the attachment and the attachment being sorrow. You know what I mean? So that's what it'd be like I believe in God and everything He desires and designs and but then it's like no motherfuck Fuck God He took my you feel like Jhalil: That's crazy. Yeah, that's a crazy thinking. No, that's that's a reality for some people, bro. Some people really do be on there, like. And I don't know. Deion: I mean, I'm talking as as humans, like. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: I don't know another human that ain't attached to they they would come out of them. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: I mean, let me correct that because they not attached to everything that come out. You know, when we piss, we get away from that shit. You feel me? We poop. But these children. But the children that you M: He went too far. We know you and Tommy. Deion: mean come out of us, we be gonna like. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: That's why I'm saying like for two for a gender to have the battle, bro, that's crazy. No, no, this my fucking baby. I held him nine months. But bitch, I put a menu like. That's that's why that's how I look at life. You feel me? I'm like, damn, they about to have a beautiful ass number human, but they worry so much about all the other shit that cut that they ain't spending the time in that moment to. You give what I'm saying? That's where I feel like we at, bro. M: And I love for the now. Jhalil: Yeah. M: Like you were saying earlier. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: Yeah, that shit cooking us up, bro. Niggas be going through milestones, Jhalil: I should definitely be cooking it. Deion: milestones in life. You know what I mean? But we be arguing about. M: shit. Jhalil: Yeah, be dep definitely be already on my balls. Deion: But Trump My mentor called Trump the Orange Man. M: Onge male. Deion: So Jhalil: Mm. Deion: I assume we're gonna have another color soon. As humans, you feel me? Like it's gonna be the orange people and shit. You mean? I guess they the mega people anyway now, so they just gonna switch names. I'm saying I guess it's really M: Yeah. Deion: been some bullshit, bro. I'm I'm kinda Jhalil: They Deion: like upset I'm kinda upset about being a part of this drone. Jhalil: Okay, so what's our solution M: Being a part of what? Jhalil: then? Deion: If I designed this jaw, I would have made this jaw so much better. You mean? M: It w wish you would have did different. Jhalil: Cause you still got that power, nigga. Like, really, like everybody got that power to change something, make it better and different Deion: no. Jhalil: and all that. Deion: I could change my little world, but I can't change the world. M: That's that's that's the Deion: Sure. M: change. Your world. Change your world. Change Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: Mr. Change. yeah, yeah, that's why I'm M: your thoughts. The way you maneuver. Deion: Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I love where I'm at. Hello. Jhalil: Yeah, we talked about that before too, bro. It's like it's really not like for real, for real, bro, like if everybody just changed they self, bro, it'd be changed overnight. You feel me? Like M: Right. Stop worried about everybody else. Jhalil: We probably make it way deeper. Like we probably make it way deeper than it is, bro. You be like, damn man, I like to still. If you just be like, nah, I'ma chill. I ain't gonna still no more. I'ma give back. If everybody do some shit with something that they don't fuck with and they just be like, Damn, I shouldn't be doing this. I shouldn't smoke crack. Let me not smoke crack and and eat healthy or something. Like everybody can really change this shit, bro. But it's just Getting everybody to see that like the change begin with you. Like, that's the hardest part, bro. 'Cause everybody can point the finger, but nobody wanna look in the mirror. You feel me? Like Deion: I just wonder, right, on some human should. If we started from the beginning, right? And as we evolve, and say we did it like the simulation that we was talking about last episode. And like because of the way y'all know the Big Bang theory, right? Or y'all heard of it. M: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah, heard of it. Deion: Right. So in science class and other laboratory work or whatever things get proven by by doing s certain stuff, right? And I believe that 'cause we gotta believe it to a extent, at least because when we put batteries to things that we build it make it work. So, you know, the crashing of A million atoms or the stars being like a million z itty bitty particles, you get what I'm saying? Like and then that formulating into something something else? We see that shit, right? Metamorphos and all that. Like you see a calipillar if if it go through its evolving stage, turn into a butterfly, right? Like all of these different things. So I'm I'm wondering like because of the wars and stuff like that that we done endorsed 'cause if it started like everybody being peaceful and then it seemed like it just grew from there, you feel me? And now we had a space we come in at a time where it's violent, you know, guns is accepted. Like all of these different things, right? 'Cause at a point in time they wasn't. You know what I'm saying? And I I just wonder like Jhalil: Damn dog, I got my shit on my fo I got my shit on. Do not disturb, bro. Still called my shit. I don't know if that joined starting. Yeah, I'm almost done. Deion: And it wa it made a good cutoff. M: Egal. Deion: He said he goes. Mm-hmm. But yeah, you know I just wonder if we like just be thinking like that. You feel me, that if we could see like how it all evolved into now, you know what I mean? Like I forgot where forgot what was going with. Jhalil: It started getting too deep. M: Okay. Deion: Yeah. Damn. I forgot anyway. M: It's it's like two deep Jhalil: Yeah. Right. Deion: Okay. Yeah, I really forgot. I'm sitting here trying to think of that shit when I can't. Jhalil: I don't know. I just I just know we do gotta find a way like the coexist better. You feel me? A way to be like more meaningful in our like our ways, bro, so we can build something better for all of us. Like and like we can just be better together. 'Cause it's like right now, bro, us as a people, it's like our work together game kinda like I ain't even gonna say it's ass, but it's like it's real clicked up. Feel me? How I think that aspect, bro, if we like really learn how to build more and I mean, understand more about each other, bro, I think we can go way further. Yeah, it's humans. No, this is humans period, bro. Like M: Some of us humans, or you somebody to race. Jhalil: Right, right. And amongst ourselves. M: Yeah. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Very right, dog. M: Understand learner. Understand everybody. We so stuck in our own way, we don't understand other people. And the same way other people, they don't understand us. Jhalil: right. M: They so stuck in their own their own world. Deion: I was I was doing this job the other day, right? And we was talking, we had a couple of brothers that was from Africa that be working with us. You know what I mean? And whole time, like they speaking French and shit. And since they got here, they probably learned a little bit more English or whatever. And then they Muslim, so then they speak Arabic, right? And the guy we we was doing the job for, his name was John. And I think he you for the for the for this conversation. He white. think he Irish, but I'm not even sure. Anyway, the point he was making was like, damn, America's we we speak Jhalil: We didn't have Deion: one language and shit and other people that come here they used speaking multiple languages and shit. And the point he was making was like the nerve of us to be like be like we the shit and like, you know what I mean? Like I that's it. Like It should be our way or no other way. You get me? Like if you don't speak English, fuck is you s like you know what I mean? But them people was coming with like multiple different languages and things like that. You get what I'm saying? And I'm like, damn. That's enough as Americans like. You know what I'm saying? I you be at work. Yeah. You be at work, bro, and depending on, you know, how you got your definitions on things and people, it'd be according to that. You feel what I'm saying? Like, 'cause I ain't gonna lie to you, like when I go stereos or anything, cars, I'm like, I'm about to call Poppy, like. You know what I'm saying? Like if I sell something on marketplace or something, I'm like, I'd rather be a white person. Jhalil: Fuck you. Deion: You hear me? M: What a language barrier? Jhalil: You just tr would you trust the white person more 'cause they white? M: Why you rather be a white burn? Deion: There's all that shit, but M: Yeah. Deion: It's a sa is a safer cell to me. You mean? If it's me, I'm thinking something like I'm thinking, you know, you mean do I gotta bring my gun with me? You feel what I'm saying? M: Guillaume. You talking selling gas Deion: What? M: to your own. Deion: Yeah. Yeah. M: Let's say we gotta think like Deion: So M: that. Deion: So that's why I'm saying when we talk about like black businesses supporting black businesses, you gotta be real and say that. You feel me? Like, cause you gotta be honest, like when you call the plumber, you don't try a double price with the discount, nigga. You pay whatever he say he charged. Jhalil: Yeah, but Deion: You feel me? Like you thinking like, we we the same melody, so look out. Jhalil: then Deion: And if you don't look out, then you know what I'm saying, niggas downplaying that shit. Jhalil: In certain in certain aspects, bro. Yeah, like it's it's certain like yeah, you will M: Yeah. I don't Deion: Anything goes. They go, they're M: go I don't believe in that. That ain't me. I call the plumber. I don't care what color you are, sticker. How much you charging? yeah, I'm gonna see, let me see how much they Deion: Mm-hmm. M: let me see how much they charging. I'm gonna try to get these numbers down first there. If you ain't I ain't gonna get hit on my head or with with any price. Jhalil: Yeah, I do a lot of bookie building. Deion: Yeah. M: I don't care what race you is. Deion: But I but it's also like that. It's also like that because you don't do plumbing. And if you got a cost to buy for something you don't know, then you gotta pay. You know what I'm saying? Like that's the M: And it's yeah, you're gonna have to pay regardless. But I find the cheapest numbers. With a with I find people with good great work with with a with a reasonable number. I I'm not just I'm not just gonna just cause they white don't mean I'm just gonna pay that shit. Nah. I know when I'm being scammed. Deion: That's why I'm saying like we accept that. And that's this is a capitalist world. I mean, well, America, right? Jhalil: I don't know, bro. I do I do a lot of Deion: 'Cause I mean, you know. Jhalil: business, bro, with black people, dog. Like I ain't gonna I ain't gonna say like yeah, people didn't try to like lowball every once in a while, but like for the most part, bro, Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: like they know the number, bro, they just pay the number. Like Feel me, I I don't really be having that problem, bro. Like But ain't saying I never encountered that. Deion: Yeah. You can see how it is, like you can see how it is in a grand scheme of things, like cause no matter what y'all say, right, if I experienced it, then that's just what it is. You get what I'm saying? Like M: Yeah, no no. Yeah, yeah, no, it's that happens. I'm not gonna say it don't happen. Like you go to a store, you Jhalil: In the M: don't go try to get a deal off of Macy's but somebody selling their merch. You try to get a a cheaper, cheaper number. Deion: And I'm saying like that's what I mean, like when we do something, we gotta look at it the same way. You feel me? Because when the Asians say, you know, this and that, it's like If you take away the black and the Asian, you understand business. You know what I mean? And to me that's that's that's the human part. When you eliminate all that middle Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: invisible line stuff and we deal with each other directly, no no extra stuff. You know what I mean? Like For us to even be talking about black support in black Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: businesses, that means there's an invisible line created. Cause w wh in a n in a normal scheme of things, why Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: would that even be mentioned? And that's the only that's the only part that I'm I'm like keep stabbing at. You feel me? Like I'm like we putting these things there and keeping them there. So if we just remove or like think about it in a different manner, we definitely could change what it is. But at the same time, it's like that's what I was getting at with the battery thing, like M: That's concerning. Deion: and the and the atoms and all of that form and create something else. It's like I guess I use like the harshest thing that can happen with a human, right? You losing a child, getting raped or one of those type of things, right? Like Jhalil: That shit happened in Pleasantville now though, bro. Like in the suburbs and Deion: In Pleasantville would that ever happen? Jhalil: like certain shit, bro. They they got the same Deion: Yeah, but Jhalil: crime and all that. It's just in different forms. They might not do the same shit. It might not be drugs. But motherfuckers is getting kidnapped and and held here and is it's different Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: shit, bro. It ain't no pleasantville that exists right now, bro. Real shit. Deion: Sure. So that's what I mean. You we still you talking about the rim we in now. That's that that's all inclusive. You know what I mean? Like when I say all inclusive, when I say racism, like everybody that's talking about it is involved in it. You know what I mean? Like when we talk about Pleasantville Jhalil: yeah, it's something to be created, you saying, like. Deion: in the vision vision thing, like And a perfect world type shit, right? And for this conversation of talking about humanity. Now when when we go there to say like a perfect world or whatever, what would that look like? You know what I mean? It'd be fuzzy because of how we live in the set now, but at the same time, I'm just wondering, like, is it supposed to be a negative and positive? You feel me? Like. Is it is groups of people that's geared towards doing something about the wrong that another people did? Jhalil: That's what I believe, bro. Like I that's what I believe, bro. I think it's it's supposed to be good and bad, like yin and yang. Deion: Is that the setup of life? You get what I'm saying? Jhalil: like all of that stuff, bro, is it's it's it's two sides. Like, yeah, it's always two sides. I think one side it just be like, I don't know, M: Left and right. Jhalil: I can't even imagine it, bro. 'Cause I ain't see no examples of that my whole life. I ain't see no examples of that. Like some everything right. I ain't seen nothing perfect yet. Deion: Yeah. So then that's why I elevated it and wonder even further, right? If we take the black and white stuff off and just humans, or for this conversation, if if we was just in a world of all black, Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: us, y'all think these things are still be happening? M: Yeah. everybody different. Deion: So then I would M: You like LeBron, I like Deion: Right. M: Jordan. It's just it's always gonna be two different sides. So it's always gonna be a a negative and a positive. Your positive could be my negative, my negative could be like you know what I mean? It's never too Deion: So that's what I I begin to say, like, then what becomes the importance of removing M: What's important to you? Jhalil: I don't think that's important. Deion: no, what becomes the importance of removing the white people from power if it would still be the same? M: That ain't a it ain't important to me. That shit don't Deion: mean we try and resolve what racism, right? M: You trying to resolve racism, it's never gonna stop. Deion: Or fairness or equality or whatever. M: It's and the crazy thing is, it is it's Deion: You get what I'm saying? M: it's it's fair it's fair to some some some black people. Deion: Mm-hmm. M: We don't see, you might don't see the fairness, but some black people see the fairness. How weird it sounds, we call them Uncle Toms. Deion: No, I'm saying I'm saying to us, right? We put that type of stuff in our in our jaw. But then I just asked, like, if it was all black people, we think that it would be s these same problems. And we said, Yeah. So if that's the case, it's like why are you even fighting racism? M: Even if it was all black people, you're gonna fight against whatever is negative that's that's negative to you. You're gonna fight it regardless. Jhalil: Yeah. All right. And and race racism is Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: like an attack. racism is an attack on something. Feel me? M: It don't matter what color it is, you fight you fight what's negative. Jhalil: So it's like it ain't just like a a thought. Like Deion: Think some people buy a straight though. Jhalil: it's a you know it's a action. Like that's M: Yeah. Jhalil: an action to be racist, like. So I I don't know, bro. I feel like if we wasn't experiencing racism, it'd be way easier not to think about Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: racism. Mm-hmm. M: You think about something else. Something else negative be happening. Deion: So then do that become like a human thing. Humans just gotta go through what do you call it? Not a altercation, but like a Jhalil: I don't know. I just I just believe that's part of the mission, bro. Like in life, I just feel as though like we meant to go through all of these different things and situations and feelings and every I think we supposed to go through the mix of all of this, bro. So in turn, at the end you probably got a a better understanding and all that. Like I don't think if we was just made to be like, you know, it it'd be great to be like happy go lucky and all of this, but I think these like trials and tribulations and shit that we we just gotta go through, bro. Like I ain't saying it's right or wrong or nothing, but I think that's just a part of life, bro. We like a experiment for real, for real. Like Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: Yeah, 'cause we don't we don't really got like we got some power to do certain things and all that, but we don't got the Deion: That's interesting, right? Jhalil: power to dictate how something gonna turn out. You feel me? So that's why I gave this shit like a like an experiment a little bit like. Deion: Maybe. And you think like knowing it. You don't supposed to really know. Jhalil: Yeah, it's like what's the point of that? Like you just know every day, like, all right, in three days I'm a fall down. Deion: And if you know what's gonna happen the next day, right, you can you can you can like cheat on the tusks, you know what I'm saying? Jhalil: And in six days I'm gonna get paid this, somebody gonna like that's ass, bro. I don't wanna know when I'm a check. I don't wanna know none of that, bro, bro. Right, like I'm in it for the ride, bro, like. The ride gonna be smooth sometime, that shit gonna be bumpy sometime, you gon' catch a flat, you gon' break down, you gon' get up. Like M: That's always Jhalil: I just feel like that's how it's supposed to be and that's the best way to do it. 'Cause it's like if we all experiencing these things, bro, like maybe it's meant for us to go through it so we can s solve it as a people. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: You feel me? Like Mm. M: Right. random stuff happen. Like that's like that's like Deion: Yeah. M: that's like having having sex. You gonna plan, all right babe, tomorrow three o'clock we're gonna have sex. Or Jhalil: Real right. That setup sucks. That's just trash 'cause now M: just that spontaneous sex. Deion: That's it. M: Which one which one you rather have? The scheduled job like no. Yeah, that's that's Jhalil: You set it up at three o'clock now, two fifty eight. You tired as shit. M: that's not it. Jhalil: Don't feel like it right now, you feel like get out of here Deion: Just M: It's you I Jhalil: with all that plan stuff, you feel me? And I feel like too, bro, it's like y'all I know y'all noticed it, bro. When you try to plan something too bad to the T, bro, that shit never happened like that. It don't never happen like M: It's like they're heaven. Jhalil: that. Like I'ma get married at twenty five, I'ma du da you be forty eight getting married. You be like, damn, like I M: It never goes the way it posted went. No. And now you upset it ain't go the way it posted went. No, let that shit just happen naturally. Jhalil: swore I knew, like. Yeah. right, bro. The creator like man, they swear they know. I don't fuck that all up. You M: I had my whole life planned out when I was a pup. I'ma do this, this will be Jhalil: trippin'. Deion: Yeah. M: Yeah, that'd be. Deion: Mm. Mm-hmm. That's what a bully is though, right? Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: Like nigga come through like I would change all that shit for you, like. No, but he he be for you. Right? Like I feel like that's what a bully hole join is about. Like I don't want you to just take anything from anybody. Jhalil: And you talk about them T V bullies, man. They just be bullies for no reason, bro. Like they be just hurting the inside Deion: So I'll I'll pick on you till you learn that. Jhalil: one bully a motherfucker sometimes. Like or bully somebody. Like a T V bully probably be like, Yeah, I'ma bully him so he don't get bullied by Rodney or nothing. Like that shit. I don't know, bro. Deion: Yeah. M: Mm. Deion: No, 'cause I I'd like That's how I feel like white people is like maybe plucking us on the back of the hair like like they want us to turn around and fight So we'd be like them and should M: The craziest thing, Deion: Right. M: I don't think they got that much power that you putting on them. Deion: I don't put no power on, but I understand what you're saying. M: I'm just saying like I I'm just saying like some of the words like not you ain't putting it on them like the how you address them, like how they do a little shit too. I don't think they got that much power. I think it's just we blind. Deion: If they made us blind and thus depowered. Jhalil: Mm. Crazy. Right, I don't know. That that sh that's a that's a good question. I don't fucking know. Deion: No, I'm I'm just saying like You know my saying, bro, like And he who gets you to believe has the power. So believe in yourself. You know what I mean? That's that's that's the mantra of the open heart brand. You know what I mean? Like but yeah, Mike, I I'm I I definitely, you know, agree with that. We give that power to anybody we put belief in. M: Yeah. Deion: Jesus, white people, all that all of us the same. Jhalil: was a good job man but I ain't gonna lie I'm about to have to tap out dog I gotta I gotta get Deion: You know what I mean? Jhalil: my young boy ready for tomorrow and all that man Deion: Mm-hmm. M: I ain't gonna lie, I applaud y'all. I applaud y'all. Y'all I be li I'll be watching some of y'all Jhalil: No, we appreciate that dog. M: drones. Y'all really be y'all got this shit. Jhalil: 'Cause we be trying to hit the shit that everybody not talking about. Like the shit that we don't be thinking about for real, for real. Or shit Deion: Oublié. M: I've got this. I've got this shit. Jhalil: that motherfuckers don't wanna say out loud, you feel me? Like in the vein of being transparent. M: Yeah Jhalil: We did. We did at one point, bro. But it's like that shit, it's just I don't know, bro. M: How y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all y'all y'all get together, y'all like write down what y'all gonna talk about or Jhalil: It's probably because of how our shit is like, no, it's Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: not all freestyle, but M: I did all Jhalil: it's like our dialogue, bro, is like we might come up with a subject. But once M: It's just all freestyle. Jhalil: we get into the subject, bro, me and all me and this nigga always go back and forth like two, like, but on some positive shit. Cause he'll say it one way, break it out, I'll be like, no, I don't agree with that. And then it'd be like, we had just spent the whole drone or just talking about different shit. It always M: Yeah. Jhalil: just come back together. But we did try to write it all out and all that and then we still just you feel me, we still bust it up about what come. Like what come, bro. Like this shit from the heart for real. M: Still visual, right, right. Yeah. Deion: In here. I just observe everything that's out here and like see what's not being said, but I think is like vital and important. You know what I mean? And and we just try shift the value on it, like 'cause like I said, man, if there's a million motherfuckers talking negative, negative hip hop, negative Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: ain't no counter or This ain't the life we just was talking about, where gotta be at least a balance. This M: Right. Deion: shit looks like bad is winning right there. You feel me? Like anytime I turn around, if you ask somebody to complain about something, they got a lot to compla complain about. M: Yeah. Deion: And and when you look at the other side of the scope, it ain't a lot of resources to that. You feel me? So. We just try to provide that type thing, you know what I'm saying? Whether it it goes crazy or not, like we Jhalil: Row, bro. Deion: just feel like this something that we should introduce into the world, you feel me? Like Jhalil: real right, bro. Real shit, though. Niggas get scared to get on this journal and talk that real shit. Real Deion: But I definitely appreciate your time and and your sentiments and everything, man. Jhalil: right, bro, because you know M: I thought. Jhalil: as men, bro, you we be in our way. Like we no, I'm this. M: Yeah. Jhalil: I I wanna be viewed as this, but when we get on here talking about some real life shit, niggas be like, damn, I ain't never even think about that before. So it's like But that's what the mission be, you feel me? It'd be like the volume shift. You might think one way, but you feel me? Some people it changed M: Yeah. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: their perception about certain things. Some people it don't, you feel me? But hey man, we can shift one person on some positive shit, bro, niggas winning. Like, bro, right. M: That's a one. That's real. Yes, facts. Deion: Well this one was for humanity, you heard me. Jhalil: For sure man. Alright, I'ma leave this y'all know until it uploads. Deion: But yeah, thank you brothers. You enjoy the rest of your time, man. Catch up with Jhalil: Alright.