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Inside The Data: Alarming Metrics For Eagles Offensive Line? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to another episode of Inside the Data
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Speaker 1: On Inside the Birds. I'm Jeff Mosher and we bring
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Speaker 1: in our analytics man, Sam, the man Finkle. What's going on, Sam,
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Speaker 1: There's nothing like going into a game and taking a
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Speaker 1: deep analytical dive into a game where one team took
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Speaker 1: the first three quarters off. So I'm sure that didn't
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Speaker 1: skew the numbers at all, but the Eagles didn't come
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Speaker 1: out and win thirty three twenty six and probably one
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Speaker 1: of the more wilder games you'll ever see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, and the numbers were you
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Speaker 2: know what the numbers were.
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Speaker 1: I can imagine. I mean they won the game, to
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Speaker 1: be honest with you, because they blocked two field goals,
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Speaker 1: one right at the as time expired. And I'm not
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Speaker 1: quite sure what kind of analytical data you get for that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's when we go through offensive defense, it's
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Speaker 1: gonna probably look like the like they dominated. The Rams
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Speaker 1: dominated the Eagles in certain areas. But obviously a championship
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Speaker 1: team makes a championship players to come through, and that's
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Speaker 1: what the Eagles did. So looking forward to getting into
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Speaker 1: the numbers and the data and maybe we can all
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Speaker 1: even forecast a little bit what that might mean for
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Speaker 1: Sunday's game in Tampa, which is going to be a
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Speaker 1: hot one. My friend, ninety seven degrees is the expected temperature.
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Speaker 1: Now here's a good one. Here's a great question for
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Speaker 1: you going off the rails a little bit because you
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Speaker 1: coach the Penn State so you've been on the sidelines.
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Speaker 1: I've never understood why there's a difference between the actual
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Speaker 1: temperature and the field temperature. Is there something about grass
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Speaker 1: or turf in particular, or the way a stadium is
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Speaker 1: built that it's hotter on the field than the actual surrounding.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm not going to go into the
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Speaker 2: science of it, because frankly, I don't know the science.
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Speaker 1: We put that Penn State education in a work, no doubt.
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Speaker 2: I do know that it feels very differ on the
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Speaker 2: field than it does in the stands, and what they
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Speaker 2: do is they try to control that temperature. So like
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Speaker 2: whether it's a really hot game, which, to be honest
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Speaker 2: with you, at Penn State, we didn't really have too
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Speaker 2: many hot games, true, or or a cold game like
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Speaker 2: we had. We do a lot of you know, climate
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Speaker 2: control like we have Basically we had heaters everywhere for
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Speaker 2: like the Winter Games, and I'm sure they have fans
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Speaker 2: everywhere for the really really warm games. Actually I think
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Speaker 2: we did have fans for like the earlier games en State.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's that's what they say. I
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Speaker 2: can say from a personal experience, it's true. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if I can say from a scientific lens at all,
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Speaker 2: or you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering if if they, if anybody ever
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Speaker 1: explained why the case was, you know, especially to coaching staff.
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Speaker 1: Why you know, you see it on TV all the
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Speaker 1: time they say all their temperature is even last year
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Speaker 1: in Tampa it was in the mid to upper nineties,
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Speaker 1: but they kept saying the field temperature was over one
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Speaker 1: hundred degrees and you saw it, man, I mean that
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Speaker 1: people were wearing out in that game.
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Speaker 2: I mean from turf, it makes a lot of sense,
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Speaker 2: right right, it'll absorb the heat a little bit more.
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Speaker 2: But grass, I'm not one hundred percent sure of the reason.
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Speaker 2: I know, heat rises, and it's like a basic thing,
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Speaker 2: so you think it would be warmer in the but
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Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't know. That's a fun one.
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Speaker 2: If anybody knows the answer to that, you know, feel
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Speaker 2: free to you know, calm it away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Plus I thought of maybe like the magnifying glass
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Speaker 1: at impact, where you're in a stadium, there's no trees,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing block. It's a direct hit from the rays
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Speaker 1: down to That makes sense purpose. So anyway, that's what
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Speaker 1: the Eagles will have to deal with on Sunday, And
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Speaker 1: of course we'll break that down next week, but we
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Speaker 1: are gonna go inside the analytics here on the eagles
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Speaker 1: thrilling win against the La Rams. And the Rams are
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Speaker 1: now two and one. The Eagles remain undefeated at three
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Speaker 1: and oh. So let's take a look Sam. We as
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Speaker 1: we always do, we start off a little bit of
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Speaker 1: the the basic stuff and then we get into the
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Speaker 1: real advanced analytics. So of the basic numbers as I
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Speaker 1: have it here on screen, what stands out to you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean what really stands out is the time
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Speaker 2: of possession is pretty close. But the Eagles won, and again,
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Speaker 2: as we've discussed that, it seems to be their brand
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Speaker 2: of football.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: One thing I am like now realizing I probably should
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Speaker 2: have grabbed for this because I think it would be
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Speaker 2: interesting was the average starting field position. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 2: the Rams because at Penn State that was one of
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Speaker 2: the things we talked about, like one of the keys
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Speaker 2: to winning was also, you know, make flipping the field
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Speaker 2: and making sure that you win in the average starting
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Speaker 2: field position. And I can guarantee you the Eagles did
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Speaker 2: not win on that. They often were backed up and
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Speaker 2: have bad positions like average starting field position.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it started off great when they picked
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Speaker 1: off Matthew Stafford and had like a half a field,
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Speaker 1: not even that a quarter of a field to go with.
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Speaker 1: And then from there because of the knuckleball, the knuckleball
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Speaker 1: kickoffs really gave it an issue for the kick returners
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Speaker 1: as we all saw no doubt.
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Speaker 2: Is there anything that stood out to you in these stats,
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Speaker 2: I mean Rams with most of everything and Eagles tie
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Speaker 2: and some stuff.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was actually surprised at the Eagles one
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Speaker 1: time of possession only because the Rams are and were
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Speaker 1: in this game a ball control offense. Their RAMS ran
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Speaker 1: the ball really well for at least three quarters and
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Speaker 1: it seemed like when the Eagles did score, like, for example,
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Speaker 1: take the Eagles second touchdown, which is sort of they're
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Speaker 1: down twenty six to seven. That came in my I
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Speaker 1: think it came in two plays. It came basically on
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Speaker 1: a twenty eight yard pass to aj Brown followed by
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Speaker 1: a thirty three yard passed to Dallas Goddard. So that
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Speaker 1: was two explosives in a row and bam. Now I know,
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Speaker 1: the next two drives they did a much better, well
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Speaker 1: not better, I mean the next two drives they were
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Speaker 1: more deliberate with their offense. But I would have fought
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Speaker 1: the Rams. Like if you just watched the game, it
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Speaker 1: felt like the Rams had the ball longer than the
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Speaker 1: Eagles did.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it did feel that way, but it
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Speaker 2: just goes to show you that, like that is a
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Speaker 2: big emphasis this Eagles team, is that time.
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Speaker 1: Of possession, right, yards per past That doesn't surprise me,
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Speaker 1: because the Eagles did finally get there. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure through three quarters that number was not anywhere near
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Speaker 1: five point six and matching the Rams, but obviously the
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Speaker 1: it's heavily skewed by the last part.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: The yards per rush doesn't surprise me, but it might
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Speaker 1: surprise people to realize that the Rams averaged over five
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Speaker 1: yards per rush. But I actually did. I mean, anybody
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Speaker 1: who watched the game could tell the Eagles did not
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Speaker 1: play good run defense until the fourth quarter. And then
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Speaker 1: I went through every single Kyrin Williams and Blake Korham
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Speaker 1: run for a story I did on Philly Voice, and
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Speaker 1: to look at the breakdowns, and when you watch them
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Speaker 1: you could see, I mean, the Eagles did not play
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Speaker 1: good run defense, especially the two guys in the big
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Speaker 1: in the middle, Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter, until it
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Speaker 1: mattered in the fourth quarter when they had some nice stops,
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Speaker 1: But for three quarters they did They were moved off
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Speaker 1: the ball constantly, are out of gaps, and Williams and
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Speaker 1: Quorum are both really good sam it like kind of
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Speaker 1: getting skinny through those holes and wiggling out of something.
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Speaker 1: So it just wasn't great run defense for the Eagles. No.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. You couldn't set it better myself, all right.
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Speaker 1: So that's a basic look. Now we get into the really,
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Speaker 1: really juicy stuff that you're gonna have to go into
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Speaker 1: explain a lot of this to us. The advanced stats,
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Speaker 1: so remind us here we have for those who are
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Speaker 1: watching at home, you've got the green column. Well, you
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Speaker 1: have three columns here. It's what the Eagles season averages.
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Speaker 1: It's what they did in Week three and what the
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Speaker 1: Rams did against the Eagles in Week three, and then
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Speaker 1: you color code things. So if the Eagles were better
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Speaker 1: in any of the categories, they get a green, if
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Speaker 1: they were worse, they get a red. What's the in between,
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Speaker 1: beijus hope.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this analysis really should be done and we
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Speaker 2: will explain it in two separate increments. Right, So it
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Speaker 2: should be the Eagles season versus the Eagles performance, and
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Speaker 2: then it should be the Eagles performance versus their opponent's performance. Right.
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Speaker 2: So the way that's distinct wished is that darker green
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Speaker 2: is their season compared to the week and then the
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Speaker 2: lighter beige is if they're basically if they did better
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Speaker 2: than their opponent, that's the comparison. And where you see,
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Speaker 2: you know, the darker the darker green in the middle,
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Speaker 2: it just means that it was the best out of
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Speaker 2: It only happened in one. The EPA per pass.
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Speaker 1: Right, So the Eagles had a better EPA per pass
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Speaker 1: than the Rams in Week three because they were at
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Speaker 1: zero which and the Rams were at a minus number.
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Speaker 2: Right. Well, that that's EPA per play, yeah, per play
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Speaker 2: per play, right, So that's why.
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Speaker 1: But in general, the Eagles did not exceed or match
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Speaker 1: their EPA per play for what the season is. So
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Speaker 1: they were below their season average but still better than the.
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Speaker 2: Rams, and they brought their season average down.
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Speaker 1: So because I would think so, So, when you have
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Speaker 1: a zero point zero zero EPA per play, it means
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Speaker 1: that you had the same number of play that did
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Speaker 1: not result positively toward a score as you did.
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Speaker 2: Have yeah more or less?
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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, what kind of makes sense? I mean again,
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Speaker 1: you get like first three quarters of just a completely
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Speaker 1: dormant offense and then you have explosives left and right
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Speaker 1: for the last you know, eighteen minutes of the game.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, so it is that's why the numbers are very
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Speaker 2: wonky in this one. And honestly, this is a game
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Speaker 2: that's a perfect example of why you don't just look
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Speaker 2: at one game, because this game had so many outliers
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Speaker 2: in it that you really need the rest of the
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Speaker 2: season to like determine what this team is.
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Speaker 1: Right, So, I think I'm surprised by the EPA per
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Speaker 1: pass and per rush you've got. And according to the
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Speaker 1: next Gen stats, so so, the Eagles EPA pass against
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Speaker 1: the Rams was minus point oh two, which is that's
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Speaker 1: actually better than their season average, right of minus point
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Speaker 1: oh eight. Okay, but it's is it lower back? Now
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Speaker 1: the negatives are getting to me, and the Rams do
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Speaker 1: better or worse? Here? They were worse, right, they were worse. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's surprising to me because I just you know, the
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Speaker 1: Rams seem to move the ball more fluidly through I
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Speaker 1: know Stafford missed a ton of passes, but that just
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Speaker 1: surprised me a little.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's all it's like an adjusted
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Speaker 2: based on where you are in the field, what's expected, right,
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Speaker 2: It's it's really formulaic the way it's kind of derived.
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Speaker 2: But essentially the Eagles put them. It's putting yourself in
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Speaker 2: a position to score, and the Eagles bypassing kind of
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Speaker 2: took a little bit away from their ability to score.
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Speaker 2: The Rams did a worse job at you know, moving
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Speaker 2: the ball through the passing, at least in the advanced analytics.
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Speaker 1: Right, And you would say the same about running the ball. Yeah, yeah, See,
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Speaker 1: I don't get that because Sequon Barkley had very few
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Speaker 1: rushing lanes, and Kyra Williams and Blake Krum had a
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Speaker 1: bunch of really not just good runs, but they were
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Speaker 1: runs to scoring.
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Speaker 2: Drives, sure, and those all way in, but there are
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Speaker 2: a bunch of factors that go into it, and Okay,
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Speaker 2: you know it's it's not just about good runs, it's
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Speaker 2: about it can you keep them on schedule? You know?
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Speaker 2: Is it an ability to put them in a position
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Speaker 2: to score, Like what's expected at that yard line, what's
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Speaker 2: expected you know on that field position. It's it's it's
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Speaker 2: a pretty complicated analysis that we honestly, maybe one day
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Speaker 2: we'll just go through each play and see like what
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Speaker 2: the EPA would be.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be a really good idea. Like I
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Speaker 1: get like, maybe if you have a run that's two
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Speaker 1: yards and it's it's you know, third and three, then
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Speaker 1: that's not a good right that that would not be
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Speaker 1: considered a plus EPA on that rush. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I would love I just just having gone through every
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Speaker 1: single Rams run, it seems like they did. They got
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Speaker 1: the requisite number of yards they would need on most runs,
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Speaker 1: if not more right, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, like for example, if it's if it's third
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Speaker 2: and ten and you get nine yards, it would be
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Speaker 2: a negative EPA.
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Speaker 1: Oh because it's third. Yeah, because it's third and ten.
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Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, But I felt like the Rams
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Speaker 1: were constantly ahead of the chains.
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Speaker 2: That's why they did they did a very good job
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Speaker 2: of it, but uh yeah, for whatever reason, that's what
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Speaker 2: came down.
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Speaker 1: So, Okay, the TTE T S and the TTPIE is
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Speaker 1: time to throw, time.
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Speaker 2: To pressure and then my mt BP.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the category you created. So what did you
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Speaker 1: determine from all that? Because the Eagles were pretty close
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Speaker 1: to their seasonal averages on that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it. The thing is that Hurts had
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Speaker 2: to get the ball out a little quicker because the
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Speaker 2: pressure was a little bit it got there a little faster. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And I think that it tells a pretty good job
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Speaker 2: because that's what happened. But what's interesting is that it
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Speaker 2: was almost the same for the Rams, right, I mean there,
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Speaker 2: their time to pressure was significantly faster, but so was
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Speaker 2: Stafford's time to throw. So it was sped up a
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Speaker 2: little bit by the pressure, but also because Stafford releases
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Speaker 2: the ball faster than Hurts.
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Speaker 1: Right right now, the quarterback pressure to your point, I mean, man,
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Speaker 1: forty eight points, Hurts was pressured on nearly half of
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Speaker 1: his dropbacks because the Rams sent a lot. The Rams
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Speaker 1: came into the game. Sam the third had the third
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Speaker 1: lowest blitz percentage in the NFL, something like twelve percent.
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Speaker 1: And they blitzed him at a rate like I think
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Speaker 1: over thirty five percent. Yeah, so you can tell the
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Speaker 1: teams are doing things differently, they're coming out of their
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Speaker 1: comfort zone. They're getting out of character to try to
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Speaker 1: do things to stop the Eagles offense.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And you're right, you totally can see that,
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Speaker 2: and it it was pretty effective in the first half, right,
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Eagles had to make some serious adjustments
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Speaker 2: in order to you know, put themselves in a position
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Speaker 2: to even win the game.
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Speaker 1: Right, right, And then of course the sack percentage way
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Speaker 1: higher than the season total. He took four sacks Jalen
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Speaker 1: Hurts on only I think, what do you have, Like
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Speaker 1: how many dropbacks did he have? If I remember correctly,
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Speaker 1: it was thirty So yeah, or yeah, that's gonna make
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Speaker 1: that percentage be high higher than it's it's normally, which
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Speaker 1: is around eight point three, which is still kind of high.
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Speaker 1: But we've talked about that Hurts always for the last
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Speaker 1: few years. Hurts is at a high sack percentage because
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Speaker 1: he holds onto the ball, but it isn't usually fumble
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Speaker 1: the ball. He did this game, but ordinarily he does not.
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Speaker 1: Correct right, average separation here so this is wide receivers
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Speaker 1: and tight ends and how how will they separate.
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Speaker 2: How well they separate upon targets. I think it's a
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Speaker 2: really important distinction that they only track it when they're targeted.
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Speaker 2: So I think it's like it kind of shows more
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Speaker 2: than just the receiver. It shows like what where the
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Speaker 2: quarterback is putting like what kind of windows the quarterback
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Speaker 2: is putting it right? And so on both sides they
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Speaker 2: had to do throw in tight windows. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: think you saw that on both sides of the ball
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Speaker 2: one percent.
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Speaker 1: Sure, Like if you think about the two biggest A. J.
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Speaker 1: Brown catches, the first one where he went for twenty
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Speaker 1: eight yards that's set up they got her touchdown, and
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Speaker 1: then the third down one where he kind of muscled
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Speaker 1: his way to the first, which was some beautiful, beautiful throw,
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Speaker 1: beautiful catch, beautiful everything, not like there was a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of separation. In fact, in the twenty eight yarder
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Speaker 1: he basically had to it was great coverage, he had
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Speaker 1: a one hand that right. And then in the red
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Speaker 1: zone touchdowns, they were pretty pretty tight coverage there and
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Speaker 1: then Nikua and I think the only two catches I
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Speaker 1: can think of where you had big separation was the
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Speaker 1: DeVante Adams touchdown against Reid blanket ship and the Dallas
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Speaker 1: got her touchdown against the inverted Tampa tu.
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Speaker 2: Look yep, agreed. Everything else was pretty tight and tightly contested. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: which is a testament to both of these defenses and
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Speaker 2: honestly both of the offenses.
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Speaker 1: Yep, yep. I mean, man, I came out of this
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Speaker 1: game thinking both these teams were really good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, if for being fair, the Eagles got
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Speaker 1: a little I mean, you make your breaks. They blocked
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Speaker 1: the field goals. That was a breakdown by the Rams.
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Speaker 1: But that's not going to happen every game.
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Speaker 2: No, you can't rely on that to win games consistently.
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Speaker 2: And so you know, I honestly, I was glad the
16:12
Speaker 2: Eagles faced a little adversity because I think it showed
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Speaker 2: where their problems were. Yeah, and now the question is
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Speaker 2: like are you going to fix them? Right? We know
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Speaker 2: what the problems are. These are things that will lose
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Speaker 2: you games if you do not address them. So I
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Speaker 2: think it's interesting to see how they will respond, especially
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Speaker 2: against the team in Tampa that has given them a
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Speaker 2: lot of trouble recently.
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Speaker 1: Just curious if you put your offensive coordinator hat on,
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Speaker 1: what kind of things would you do differently to get
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Speaker 1: the offense going faster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you need to run a little
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Speaker 2: bit more play action. I think you need to sorry,
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Speaker 2: I think you need to also do target intermediate routes
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Speaker 2: a little bit more. And I think you need to
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Speaker 2: become a little less one dimensional.
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Speaker 1: Agree. Yeah, yeah, I think coming out throwing the ball
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Speaker 1: a little bit to not you don't have to skew
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Speaker 1: the percentages, but just throw a little earlier so you
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Speaker 1: can get some gut bodies off the line of scrimmage
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Speaker 1: and off Saquon probably would help. Yeah, we've done that
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Speaker 1: before too. I mean I remember the Steelers game that
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Speaker 1: came out throwing last year. I mean there are times
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Speaker 1: that they figure it out and then then you start
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Speaker 1: Speaking of the running back, run success and run stuff
19:35
Speaker 1: rate not great for the Eagles.
19:37
Speaker 2: And here's what's interesting, right we look at their run
19:40
Speaker 2: success it's at sixty one point three percent the rams, right, yeah,
19:44
Speaker 2: and you talk we talked about the negative EPA per rush, right, yeah,
19:48
Speaker 2: it's it's again negative zero point zero three is almost negligible.
19:52
Speaker 2: By the way, it's almost zero. So I think it's
19:56
Speaker 2: probably skewed by some like really negative running plays. I'm
20:00
Speaker 2: blanking on.
20:01
Speaker 1: I give you a two. There was the third and
20:04
Speaker 1: one that was stopped by Jordan Davis actually had two. Yeah, no,
20:10
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the third and two he chased Stafford to
20:12
Speaker 1: the south. Does that count because that's a Stafford run.
20:16
Speaker 2: That would probably that would count as as a rush.
20:20
Speaker 1: I think so it would okay, because it was it
20:22
Speaker 1: really was.
20:22
Speaker 2: It was it was a scrambled play, but he scrambled
20:25
Speaker 2: right right, it probably I think it does count in
20:28
Speaker 2: pass right.
20:30
Speaker 1: Well, then they also ran it on fourth and one
20:32
Speaker 1: and got stuff there as well, and no know it
20:34
Speaker 1: was a fourth and two that where McVeigh I don't know
20:37
Speaker 1: he kicked the field goal. He should have gone for it.
20:38
Speaker 1: But either way, there were some there were two or
20:40
Speaker 1: three big third and fourth down plays in the fourth quarter.
20:44
Speaker 2: If you go for a fourth down and don't get
20:47
Speaker 2: it in a run, it will have a huge effect
20:51
Speaker 2: on your EPA, especially well especially if you're in field
20:54
Speaker 2: goal range, right, because it were yeah, so so that
20:57
Speaker 2: would probably be like a minus four by the way, wow,
21:01
Speaker 2: because right you're expected to get at least three, if
21:03
Speaker 2: not more, right, so, anywhere between three and four probably
21:08
Speaker 2: depending on where they are in the field.
21:10
Speaker 1: Right. So this is the equivalent of like a dink
21:12
Speaker 1: and dunk thing where you ran the ball well sixty
21:14
Speaker 1: one point three percent, but it didn't lead you to
21:17
Speaker 1: enough big plays and points like that dinks and dunks
21:20
Speaker 1: the ball but then has to settle for field goals.
21:22
Speaker 2: Exactly.
21:22
Speaker 1: Your completion percentage is great, so your success rate might
21:25
Speaker 1: look good there, but your overall EPA may not be good.
21:29
Speaker 2: So that exactly makes sense, all right, just trying to
21:32
Speaker 2: you know, put it together the back way, you know.
21:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So what do you make of the stack
21:37
Speaker 1: box and light box percentages?
21:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a little disconcerting that, you know,
21:44
Speaker 2: I think there was a little bit more you could
21:46
Speaker 2: say about why the running hasn't been as efficient this
21:49
Speaker 2: year because they've been facing stacked boxes. But like you
21:52
Speaker 2: look at it, it was eighteen point five percent stacked
21:56
Speaker 2: and sixty six point seven percent light, right, and.
22:00
Speaker 1: Remind everybody what the difference between light and stacked is, please. Yeah.
22:03
Speaker 2: So it's just about the number of defenders in the box.
22:07
Speaker 2: I believe it's it's eight or more for stacked, and
22:10
Speaker 2: then light is six or less.
22:13
Speaker 1: Right, So that's why these numbers don't equal one hundred
22:15
Speaker 1: people because there's the seven man box, which is pretty
22:17
Speaker 1: frequent in common as well, that that is neither stacked
22:21
Speaker 1: nor light.
22:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the box, Yeah, it just blocks.
22:27
Speaker 1: The rams against the stack. The rams only saw see that.
22:30
Speaker 1: That surprised me. The Rams only saw a stack box
22:32
Speaker 1: on thirteen percent because you know, they ran the ball
22:36
Speaker 1: so well. In fact, I bet you that number was
22:38
Speaker 1: lower and then skewed by the second half when Vic
22:42
Speaker 1: started bringing more defender. He actually started playing a five
22:44
Speaker 1: man line at times, bringing to hot Campbell down. But
22:49
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily change in numbers. It just changes the
22:52
Speaker 1: RAMS ability to execute multiple double teams, right yeah. So
22:56
Speaker 1: if they got five and then a tight end the
22:58
Speaker 1: blocks that's six and you put six online of scrimmage,
23:01
Speaker 1: they can still double team one, but then they have
23:03
Speaker 1: to leave an unblocked defender, you know.
23:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it changes the hat on a hat
23:08
Speaker 2: analysis for sure.
23:09
Speaker 1: Right, all right, good stuff, So let's get to the
23:11
Speaker 1: star of the stat sheet. You I got. I have
23:14
Speaker 1: a very fun graphic I'm going to put up in
23:16
Speaker 1: a second here to do a comparison. But AJ Brown's
23:20
Speaker 1: your man.
23:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's about time he gets up
23:24
Speaker 2: on this list. You know, honestly, I really could have
23:28
Speaker 2: went Devoda Smith too. I really could have, But I think,
23:32
Speaker 2: just from a more meaningful point, I think to put
23:37
Speaker 2: Aj Brown on here, and the reasons that justify it
23:40
Speaker 2: ten targets, six receptions one hundred and nine yards, which
23:44
Speaker 2: is fifth in the league for the week, but eighteen
23:47
Speaker 2: point two yards per reception, one touchdown. He was plus
23:51
Speaker 2: eight percent on catch rate over expectation. He was plus
23:55
Speaker 2: six point three on EPA. He was thirty three yards
23:59
Speaker 2: after catch plus twenty seven yards after catch over expectation. Wow,
24:05
Speaker 2: which was third in the league, and one point four
24:09
Speaker 2: average separation, which was the fourth lowest in the league.
24:12
Speaker 1: That's incredible. So without much separation, he still made so
24:16
Speaker 1: much happen after the catch and on the catch. He
24:19
Speaker 1: willed this game, no doubt, no doubt. So let's take
24:23
Speaker 1: a look at his route tree. And this is the
24:25
Speaker 1: fun part, all right. You can see the route tree
24:27
Speaker 1: right here right everybody. You can see it for those
24:30
Speaker 1: who are just listening. On the right side when he
24:34
Speaker 1: lined up, I mean, he's got at least one, two
24:38
Speaker 1: three on the right side and about two or three
24:41
Speaker 1: more on left side that are ten to thirty yard routes, okay,
24:44
Speaker 1: including a forty yard route, So he was sent deeper
24:49
Speaker 1: in this game. And just to have some fun, Sam,
24:53
Speaker 1: let's go look at his last week rout chart. This
24:57
Speaker 1: is aj Brown's route tree from Week two against the
25:00
Speaker 1: Chiefs pretty different.
25:02
Speaker 2: Huh, very different.
25:04
Speaker 1: I meant more different.
25:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really don't. And that's honestly, that's what people
25:10
Speaker 2: were asking for, right, I mean, that's they unleashed a J. Brown,
25:14
Speaker 2: which is what they needed to do, and that's what
25:16
Speaker 2: helped contribute to win the game from an offensive perspective.
25:19
Speaker 1: Absolutely, just what a glaring difference. A glaring differ. Yeah,
25:24
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to now you said DeVante
25:26
Speaker 1: Smith could also have been one of your guys, your stars.
25:31
Speaker 1: The statuet what number? I mean? I think this the
25:34
Speaker 1: catch right over expectation really jumps out.
25:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but that that's Devanta Smith, right, He
25:38
Speaker 2: makes the impossible catches possible. That that is his That's
25:43
Speaker 2: the bread and butter, right, I mean he will his
25:46
Speaker 2: best stat will, probably at the end of his career,
25:49
Speaker 2: will be that catch right over expect Yeah.
25:52
Speaker 1: Plus point eight by the way, for those listening, plus
25:55
Speaker 1: eighteen point eight catch right over expectation and an eight
25:59
Speaker 1: point zero EPA. So this was fifth among all wide
26:02
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL that week.
26:03
Speaker 2: Correct, Wow? Yeah, because he made plays at critical times
26:10
Speaker 2: that put the Eagles in position to score points, which
26:12
Speaker 2: is honestly, there was such a justification to put to
26:15
Speaker 2: Vada Smith here too. I probably could have done a
26:18
Speaker 2: co star of the statuet for both of those guys.
26:20
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he caught a really nice pass on
26:22
Speaker 1: and this was really more Jillen Hurts making a great
26:24
Speaker 1: throw and a great progressionary. It was a backside deep
26:28
Speaker 1: dig on third and ten and it was went for
26:30
Speaker 1: sixteen yards and the protection was unbelievable. But you know,
26:33
Speaker 1: for Hurts to get in there and DeVante to find
26:36
Speaker 1: that opening and the zone was really good. Yeah, all right,
26:40
Speaker 1: some notes on the offense go ahead.
26:44
Speaker 2: After gaining just thirty three yards in the first half,
26:46
Speaker 2: their fewest to start a game in over a decade,
26:49
Speaker 2: the Eagles gained two hundred and fifty five yards in
26:52
Speaker 2: the second half and scored twenty six unanswered to come
26:55
Speaker 2: back and win the game. This nineteen point deficit was
26:59
Speaker 2: the largest comeback since the Miracle at the Meadowlands Part two.
27:04
Speaker 1: I was there in the press box. That was incredible. Now,
27:09
Speaker 1: is that the game also where they had fewer or
27:13
Speaker 1: thirty three yards in the first half or fewer or
27:15
Speaker 1: was there a different game?
27:16
Speaker 2: I am unsure about that hoky.
27:18
Speaker 1: I didn't know if they were making the connection there.
27:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that, so, but don't quote me
27:24
Speaker 2: on that. I got this this blurb from next Gen,
27:27
Speaker 2: which is kind of fun. I love when they do these.
27:29
Speaker 2: I'm always going to throw them in.
27:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, so gohead.
27:34
Speaker 2: I was gonna say the other There's a couple other
27:36
Speaker 2: points I have on there, But if you want to
27:38
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about what you were going to
27:39
Speaker 2: say first, it's up to you.
27:41
Speaker 1: I was actually going to get into that specifically, the
27:43
Speaker 1: no huddle one.
27:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the first half Eagles had one no huddle play,
27:48
Speaker 2: but in the second half they went no huddle on
27:50
Speaker 2: fifty three point seven percent of their place.
27:53
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a big difference. Now, I don't want to
27:55
Speaker 1: put krt before the horse with this this footnote here,
27:59
Speaker 1: because I've heard already people say why didn't they go
28:01
Speaker 1: more no huddle? Why didn't they go more no huddle
28:03
Speaker 1: in the first half. I mean, from a football standpoint,
28:06
Speaker 1: a tactical standpoint, you can't go no huddle if you're
28:09
Speaker 1: constantly behind the sticks. You know you're not going no
28:12
Speaker 1: huddle on thirty and fifteen, So you can hand the
28:13
Speaker 1: ball off to Saquon Barkley and get your punter more space,
28:15
Speaker 1: which they had to do twice, right the three.
28:18
Speaker 2: Now all the fans, yeah.
28:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're there, they're whatever. I would imagine. Their EPA
28:24
Speaker 1: on first down for the first two quarters was awful.
28:28
Speaker 1: So they were constantly behind the sticks. They were constantly
28:30
Speaker 1: throwing swing passes to Barkley for our yard or two.
28:33
Speaker 1: They were trying to run. They couldn't go anywhere. So
28:36
Speaker 1: you know, you're not gonna get a Saquon Barkley two
28:38
Speaker 1: yard run second and eight and then go no huddle.
28:40
Speaker 1: It's an't just doesn't make sense. You got it. You're
28:43
Speaker 1: not hurting the defense at that point.
28:45
Speaker 2: And so here's the other problem with that, right, we
28:47
Speaker 2: talked about the Eagles brand of football is that they
28:50
Speaker 2: want to dominate by running the clock and by maintaining possession.
28:54
Speaker 2: It's hard to do that when you're in no huddle. Right, So,
28:59
Speaker 2: I think having it as a situational weapon is great.
29:04
Speaker 2: Now should it should it always be the case? Probably not?
29:07
Speaker 2: But I do think Hurts excels at making adjustments at
29:10
Speaker 2: the line, and I think when they're going to huddle,
29:13
Speaker 2: he does a pretty good job at, you know, having
29:15
Speaker 2: that time to diagnose the defense a little bit more
29:17
Speaker 2: and making those calls. And I think that's what he's
29:20
Speaker 2: really good at. However, it's antithetical to what we say
29:24
Speaker 2: the Eagles football is the formula that they've been trying
29:27
Speaker 2: to do so right, yeah, all.
29:29
Speaker 1: Right, now, this is the most fascinating charts of all,
29:32
Speaker 1: the Jalen Hurts spray chart. And for people who are
29:35
Speaker 1: just listening, I'll go ahead and explain. There are you know,
29:39
Speaker 1: green is for completions, whites for incompletions. There are green
29:42
Speaker 1: dots on this spray chart, just peppered everywhere on the
29:47
Speaker 1: left side, on the right side, even some in the
29:49
Speaker 1: middle right, an area where we constantly talk about Jaialen
29:52
Speaker 1: Hurts not wanting to throw the ball, there are green
29:55
Speaker 1: dots in the middle. And it really this is what
29:58
Speaker 1: you would say, Sam is just making use of pretty
30:01
Speaker 1: much the entire field and really only one deep ball
30:04
Speaker 1: that's the one out of the A. J. Brown that
30:06
Speaker 1: I mentioned, But a lot of intermediary passing in this
30:10
Speaker 1: in this game.
30:11
Speaker 2: This spray shart makes me happy. I mean it just
30:13
Speaker 2: it shows Jalen Hurts can make any throw anywhere at
30:16
Speaker 2: any time, and it's something that we know he's capable of,
30:22
Speaker 2: we've seen him do, but he really is only going
30:25
Speaker 2: to do it when he needs to right right, There's
30:27
Speaker 2: no reason to risk turnovers. And that's that's elite mindset
30:31
Speaker 2: by Jalen Hurts, and this was a situation where he
30:35
Speaker 2: needed to make plates. And I think it all comes
30:38
Speaker 2: back to his quote just because we don't doesn't mean
30:40
Speaker 2: we can't. And I think this is the epitome of
30:42
Speaker 2: that situation.
30:44
Speaker 1: And I also think we we when we have the
30:46
Speaker 1: conversation about jale Hurts throwing in the middle, it's it's
30:49
Speaker 1: not that he can't or won't. I think the Eagles
30:52
Speaker 1: have done a really good job in the past. They
30:54
Speaker 1: don't do as many RPOs as they used to, but
30:57
Speaker 1: of creating the the route concept that will get a
31:02
Speaker 1: guy open, whether it's a mesh concept or a slant
31:06
Speaker 1: which is a one on one for either Asia or
31:07
Speaker 1: DeVante that you know they're gonna win and the safety
31:10
Speaker 1: is taken out like that. He's not. None of these throws,
31:12
Speaker 1: I believe were real tight window throws. We know that
31:15
Speaker 1: he doesn't like to make those. Most of these were
31:18
Speaker 1: receiver has a step on the coverage or is inside
31:21
Speaker 1: the zone and open there, you know, like the Dallas
31:23
Speaker 1: Gobert one perfect example that wasn't really a tight window.
31:26
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful throw and the right throat and
31:28
Speaker 1: the great read. I'm not taking anything away from it,
31:30
Speaker 1: but the Eagles are good at being able to scheme
31:32
Speaker 1: up stuff like that where the read is easy, it's there,
31:36
Speaker 1: the target's there, and Jaleness a very accurate quarterback. I
31:38
Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit on that.
31:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean Hurts completed seven of his nine
31:43
Speaker 2: passes over ten yards in the second half for one
31:45
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty four yards and two touchdowns.
31:47
Speaker 1: Amazing. You got your attack from the middle and then
31:50
Speaker 1: you open it up a little bit more. A plus
31:52
Speaker 1: three point three completion percentage over expectation. I believe he
31:56
Speaker 1: led the.
31:57
Speaker 2: NFL in that last year he did.
31:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, do you remember what the number was? Overall?
32:01
Speaker 1: I don't, Okay, what's typically a good quarterback? Cpoe?
32:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, having it over anything is pretty positive.
32:11
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's what I thought. All right, O line,
32:15
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to something special on the old line too.
32:18
Speaker 1: O line has not played great this year. They're dealing
32:20
Speaker 1: with some things. We know, right, Tackle Olane Johnson only
32:24
Speaker 1: played what he played what's PBS meaning again past blocking
32:29
Speaker 1: blocks mat right, so he was only out there for
32:31
Speaker 1: five before we got hurt. Matt Pryor came in that
32:34
Speaker 1: did not look good. We know that Lana Dickerson's dealing
32:38
Speaker 1: with coming back from his knee surgeries and stuff, and
32:41
Speaker 1: Cam Jurgen's with the back. So it just doesn't look
32:44
Speaker 1: like the dominant O line that it's been.
32:46
Speaker 2: No. I one nd percent agree honestly, in both running
32:50
Speaker 2: and passing. It just it's not what we used to right.
32:57
Speaker 1: Anything anything jump out to you here. I mean we
33:00
Speaker 1: know we people saw the game, but from a data
33:03
Speaker 1: standpoint there.
33:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the only thing that jumps out is
33:06
Speaker 2: something that we're going to bring up in a minute.
33:07
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at those pressures. Four of them
33:09
Speaker 2: came from Lynn Dickerson.
33:11
Speaker 1: So here it is. This is first of all, I'm
33:14
Speaker 1: going to give credit to the person, even though you
33:16
Speaker 1: can't see it on the screen, who put this information out.
33:19
Speaker 1: His name is Anthony Ryan Hart at ryan Hard NFL
33:24
Speaker 1: on Twitter at least and probably some other social media
33:28
Speaker 1: as well. But Sam, what are we looking at here?
33:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're just going to look at where pressure
33:33
Speaker 2: has been coming from in the past three weeks, and
33:38
Speaker 2: there's one really glaring spot and that is right in
33:42
Speaker 2: front of the left guard.
33:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, the right defensive tackle pressure rate a ten point
33:47
Speaker 1: nine percent compared to four point one percent at the
33:50
Speaker 1: other DT spot. And correct me if I'm wrong, Like
33:53
Speaker 1: you're expecting to see higher numbers on the edges where
33:56
Speaker 1: you generate right so differently for the d T to
34:00
Speaker 1: be at eleven percent and the edges to be at fourteen,
34:03
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be that that close unless you're facing Aaron
34:05
Speaker 1: Donald every well, he's retired, but you know what, unless
34:08
Speaker 1: you're facing every week Jalen Carter or someone of that ILK.
34:14
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, And what's interesting, I also think is the
34:19
Speaker 2: slot coming from the right defense that I guess the
34:23
Speaker 2: right tackle side. But essentially they've missed a couple of
34:28
Speaker 2: corner blitzes. You know they happened I think from the Chiefs.
34:33
Speaker 1: Yes, I was gonna say, Spags always throws a ton
34:36
Speaker 1: of slot blitzes and second level blitzer and then I
34:39
Speaker 1: think I don't know how they There was one sack
34:42
Speaker 1: against the Rams from Quinton Lake, I think it was,
34:45
Speaker 1: and he kind of lines up in the slot in
34:47
Speaker 1: Nickel in safety and he got a few pressures from
34:51
Speaker 1: Blitzer that way, as did the safety. And it's interesting
34:55
Speaker 1: they don't have a safety on this chart here, but
34:57
Speaker 1: as did McCullough, who line up all over their backfield.
35:02
Speaker 2: My guess for safety, they just included in that linebacker
35:05
Speaker 2: spot any of those pressures. And honestly, like we like
35:10
Speaker 2: I said for corner Blitz as we call them cobras
35:13
Speaker 2: at penn Stee, and they weren't always from the slot
35:17
Speaker 2: right like they they're coming from the outside a lot
35:20
Speaker 2: of the time. Right.
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Speaker 1: So certainly something to look forward this week, Sam, Because
37:52
Speaker 1: obviously nobody blitzes from the second level as much as
37:55
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles does. I mean that's like, as he wakes up,
37:57
Speaker 1: people probably tired of me hearing as I say this
38:00
Speaker 1: guy rolls out of bed thinking a second level bletzes,
38:02
Speaker 1: so they got to watch for that, no doubt. All right.
38:07
Speaker 1: Another star of the stat sheet on defense, Jordan Davis.
38:10
Speaker 1: I won't quibble with it because he made huge, huge
38:13
Speaker 1: plays at the end, but run defense, it would not
38:15
Speaker 1: be the case. But certainly, although I guess if you
38:19
Speaker 1: do the whole it's heavily weighted by situational like his
38:22
Speaker 1: fourth quarter run stops were fantastic.
38:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, he had three defensive stops and
38:28
Speaker 2: I think one of them was a scramble, which was
38:31
Speaker 2: the one we talked about, and I think the other
38:33
Speaker 2: two were in the run game. So I mean, listen,
38:36
Speaker 2: he made plays when he needed to make plays. Are
38:39
Speaker 2: you shocked as Jordan Davis? I mean, honestly, no, no, no,
38:43
Speaker 2: not at all.
38:44
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't you know, he had to pick
38:46
Speaker 1: someone who the defense was not the star of the
38:48
Speaker 1: show in this game, so he had to pick one
38:49
Speaker 1: person who kind of came through with some good defense,
38:52
Speaker 1: and that certainly was Davis in the fourth quarter. And
38:54
Speaker 1: then of course you add in I guess you can
38:56
Speaker 1: consider the field goal blocks like defense, even though it's
38:58
Speaker 1: special teams, because he points off the board like a
39:01
Speaker 1: defense is supposed to do absolutely.
39:03
Speaker 2: I mean it could have been balling too, But I
39:07
Speaker 2: think that Jordan Davis's performance. I mean, let's just talk
39:11
Speaker 2: about it real quick, right. He had twenty three pass rushes,
39:14
Speaker 2: one sack, three defensive stops, one game winning field goal block.
39:19
Speaker 2: Part of two field goal blocks. He was a critical
39:21
Speaker 2: part of this other one and one touchdown. He reached
39:25
Speaker 2: my favorite stat, reached the top speed of eighteen point
39:28
Speaker 2: five to nine miles prowur on their return, the fastest
39:31
Speaker 2: of a player over three hundred and thirty pounds since
39:33
Speaker 2: next gen era.
39:34
Speaker 1: Wow, well that makes sense. He ran the fastest forty
39:37
Speaker 1: for a guy his size. Right at the combine. I
39:40
Speaker 1: mean that's where the straight line speed finally came and
39:43
Speaker 1: helped him out. We always say, who cares what a
39:45
Speaker 1: defensive lineman can run in straight line speeds? It's meaningless. Well,
39:50
Speaker 1: for one play of his career, it was not meaningless.
39:53
Speaker 1: I give you that.
39:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean listen, even.
39:55
Speaker 1: Though Sam he should have fall he should have taken
39:57
Speaker 1: a knee or fallen off it. I mean listen. I
40:00
Speaker 1: got criticized and know YouTube commenters came at me for
40:03
Speaker 1: saying that. In the postgame show, Nick Sirianni said the
40:05
Speaker 1: same exact thing, man, if that ever happened again, he
40:08
Speaker 1: wants Jordan Davis to take a knee.
40:10
Speaker 2: Sure, I think from the fan perspective, I can see
40:15
Speaker 2: why they were juiced by this play. Listen, they they're
40:19
Speaker 2: calling it the Jordan Davis game, like I've heard people
40:22
Speaker 2: refer to as the which I love. By the way,
40:24
Speaker 2: it's it's fun, it's it's how you endear yourself to
40:27
Speaker 2: a city. I mean, it's, to be honest with you,
40:29
Speaker 2: it's it's such a good chapter in his story, right,
40:31
Speaker 2: I mean, he came in as like as a top prospect.
40:36
Speaker 2: He was overweight, he he had some issues with you know, effort,
40:40
Speaker 2: with endurance, and you come in, he loses the weight,
40:44
Speaker 2: he does everything he needs to do, and then he
40:47
Speaker 2: has a play to show it off. I understand why
40:51
Speaker 2: people are enamored by him and by this play. But
40:54
Speaker 2: I agree with you from a situational football perspective, you
40:57
Speaker 2: guarantee a win by taking a knee one hundred percent.
41:01
Speaker 1: You're right. When you get a game named after you
41:04
Speaker 1: for a good reason, that's impressive. You know obviously that
41:07
Speaker 1: we the Sean Jackson, the Miracle, the Meadowlands Averight thinks
41:10
Speaker 1: about that. People still remember a block field goal against
41:12
Speaker 1: the San Diego Chargers in two thousand and five. It
41:15
Speaker 1: was Quentin Michael who blocked it and Matt Ware who
41:17
Speaker 1: scooped it and returned it for a touchdown to win
41:20
Speaker 1: the game that was forever known as the field goal
41:23
Speaker 1: block game until Jordan Davis. Then you have then you
41:27
Speaker 1: have bad ones, right the Winston Justice Game Sunday Night
41:29
Speaker 1: Football Giants Eagles and eight sacks from OCU and youurine
41:34
Speaker 1: justin Tuck because Trey Thomas didn't play. So it's good
41:37
Speaker 1: that he's It's the Jordan Davis game for a good reason.
41:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it endears itself defense, especially in this city.
41:44
Speaker 1: One all right, Eagles d line advanced stats. Now, Nolan
41:49
Speaker 1: Smith went just went on Ir Sam and that's gonna
41:53
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a rough deal for the
41:55
Speaker 1: Eagles for a while until he comes back.
41:57
Speaker 2: Now I'm interested. Do we know when na Kobe is
42:00
Speaker 2: supposed to come back?
42:01
Speaker 1: Well, he's eligible to come back after this game to
42:04
Speaker 1: practice and get into that twenty one day window. I
42:08
Speaker 1: have a hard time thinking that he'll be ready in
42:12
Speaker 1: one week, you know, coming off the injury that he did,
42:14
Speaker 1: you know, one week of practice and he's often ready
42:16
Speaker 1: to go. And then the problem for the Eagles is
42:19
Speaker 1: A that game is against the Broncos, tough game, and
42:21
Speaker 1: b they have a short turnaround for their Thursday night
42:25
Speaker 1: game against the Giants. Sure, so if he makes it
42:30
Speaker 1: back for the for the Giants game, I'd be a
42:32
Speaker 1: little surprised.
42:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're probably wondering, why are you asking about
42:36
Speaker 2: an off ball linebacker.
42:38
Speaker 1: No, I know exactly why you're asking.
42:40
Speaker 2: Well, I think you move Campbell down. I think you can.
42:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can, but he's playing so well
42:46
Speaker 1: at that position. I don't know that you need to.
42:48
Speaker 1: I mean I think Zarias Smith, sure, Jelex Hunt and
42:52
Speaker 1: josh Ucha and you probably can activate ojil Ai. Now,
42:55
Speaker 1: just to give yourself a little more depth, I think
42:57
Speaker 1: you got to see how that works out first. You
42:59
Speaker 1: certainly you can use Campbell in a game situationally that way.
43:02
Speaker 2: That's that's more of what I was thinking, is situational
43:05
Speaker 2: you know, pass rushing. I mean, he's already done some
43:07
Speaker 2: pass rushing, but just from you know the edge.
43:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what jumped out of you from the d
43:13
Speaker 1: Lin's performance against the rams here from an analytics.
43:15
Speaker 2: Standpoint, Yeah, I mean it's really Zadarius Smith, right, I
43:18
Speaker 2: mean that win rate of thirty three point three percent
43:22
Speaker 2: and the get off of zero point nine to four. Honestly,
43:24
Speaker 2: the get off was pretty solid for everyone except really
43:27
Speaker 2: Nolan Smith. I mean, you really won it at one second.
43:31
Speaker 2: But I mean, listen, he did pretty well. He got
43:34
Speaker 2: three pressures. But I think those Zadarius Smith wins, I
43:38
Speaker 2: think they're going if they keep happening, it's going to
43:40
Speaker 2: turn into pressure sooner rather than later.
43:43
Speaker 1: Right, because this pass rush per pressure rate is a
43:46
Speaker 1: little is not as high as his win rate, right, Right,
43:49
Speaker 1: it doesn't coincide because it's the lower the number on
43:51
Speaker 1: that is better.
43:52
Speaker 2: Correct.
43:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a pass rush. He got a pass
43:55
Speaker 1: rush once every fourteen pressures, exactly. Yeah.
43:59
Speaker 2: I do think if he wins at that rate or
44:02
Speaker 2: even close to that rate, right, Like, even if it
44:04
Speaker 2: reduces in half, I think it's going to turn into pressures.
44:07
Speaker 2: You just gotta be patient with it. Yeah, I'm pretty
44:10
Speaker 2: optimistic about Smith. I'm still very optimistic about and I
44:15
Speaker 2: mean Hunt was one of the best edge out there.
44:19
Speaker 2: I mean he had a twenty percent win rate and
44:21
Speaker 2: he had a pressure every six point three three snaps.
44:23
Speaker 2: So yep, you feel pretty solid with what you have
44:26
Speaker 2: as long as it can keep maintaining it or you know,
44:30
Speaker 2: improve Yeah.
44:31
Speaker 1: And I think zadarias Smith is the one who sees
44:33
Speaker 1: the optic in reps here. But again with that heat,
44:36
Speaker 1: they have to may have to rotate a little bit.
44:38
Speaker 1: You may want to either Ocuranquo or Ojelari also active
44:43
Speaker 1: Patrick Johnson, somebody to give you some snaps there in
44:45
Speaker 1: case you need get kiss guys cramping up or just
44:48
Speaker 1: needing to come to the sideline.
44:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you're right. I think that's exactly
44:51
Speaker 2: what we're going to see in the next game. I
44:53
Speaker 2: think the chart for our review of next week will
44:56
Speaker 2: be a little bit bigger because there will be more
44:58
Speaker 2: bodies for sure, all.
45:00
Speaker 1: Right, And I love that you point out here elite
45:02
Speaker 1: win rate is twenty percent, so Jay ex hunt was
45:05
Speaker 1: did a really nice job. And then obviously there is
45:08
Speaker 1: Smith a thirty percent, very very good. And I would
45:11
Speaker 1: say Nolan Smith at sixteen point seven not terrible.
45:14
Speaker 2: It's not like he oh it's good, it's good, it's right,
45:17
Speaker 2: it's it's probably in that right before elite category. It's good.
45:22
Speaker 1: And Uce really did not have it. I mean he
45:24
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, especially had one hurry on ten pass rushes.
45:27
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not a particularly good game for him.
45:30
Speaker 2: But his get off was good, right, I mean, listen,
45:33
Speaker 2: he's getting there quickly. He's just not winning, right.
45:36
Speaker 1: I don't know what that says, Like, does I mean
45:38
Speaker 1: the lineman recovers faster? Who knows?
45:41
Speaker 2: I mean it could be a variety of factors that
45:44
Speaker 2: contribute to it, for sure.
45:45
Speaker 1: Got it all right? And then this is the interior
45:49
Speaker 1: defensive line not And again this is where I pointed
45:52
Speaker 1: out there was just not a lot of great play
45:54
Speaker 1: on the interior line, especially against the run, but also
45:57
Speaker 1: even in the pass rush, although I guess Jaylen Carter
46:01
Speaker 1: with his one one hurry and two hits stands out.
46:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his win rate was in that elite category,
46:08
Speaker 2: but his run defense was not pretty great. Yeah, yeah,
46:12
Speaker 2: it was not great. I mean, watching the film with it,
46:15
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, you're gonna need to figure that out.
46:18
Speaker 2: I'm worried that he's just like he needs to get
46:21
Speaker 2: in better shape too.
46:22
Speaker 1: Like, well, listen, you're right, Vic s edit. Vic said
46:24
Speaker 1: after the after it, well he didn't play in the
46:26
Speaker 1: Cowboys game because he got ejected, and then he played
46:28
Speaker 1: in the Chiefs game and Vic said he's gotta get
46:31
Speaker 1: in better shape. You're one hundred percent right, and he
46:34
Speaker 1: was what really jumps out, And people can read my
46:37
Speaker 1: story on Philly Voice because I used all Tony two clips.
46:39
Speaker 1: He got moved, He got moved by single blocks, he
46:42
Speaker 1: got moved by combo blocks, and in some cases he
46:45
Speaker 1: got moved way off the ball, which is not something
46:48
Speaker 1: you're expecting to see. You gotta beat. You have to
46:50
Speaker 1: at least stalemate double teams and hold your ground so
46:53
Speaker 1: those linebackers can come in and fill the gaps. And
46:56
Speaker 1: a lot of times those linebackers were just already taken
46:59
Speaker 1: out of the play because Carter was moved in the
47:01
Speaker 1: lineman offensive line. We're getting up to the second level.
47:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not going to be better
47:07
Speaker 2: in the heat too. Yeah. Yeah, we don't have to
47:12
Speaker 2: see what happens, all right, Miss Milton Williams A little
47:15
Speaker 2: bit right.
47:17
Speaker 1: It does feel like, I mean, Jordan Davis has played well,
47:19
Speaker 1: but you're right, not at the level consistently with the
47:22
Speaker 1: pass rush and the run stop that Milton Williams played
47:25
Speaker 1: at last year, So what is you You have Davis
47:29
Speaker 1: on a gold line here. The gold line is supposed
47:31
Speaker 1: to symbolize what.
47:32
Speaker 2: Just because he was the star of the statuet. I
47:35
Speaker 2: figured I did it with Lane last week when we
47:38
Speaker 2: were talking about just you know, from an offensive perspective,
47:41
Speaker 2: so I figured I'd be consistent here and give our
47:44
Speaker 2: star a little credit.
47:46
Speaker 1: Awesome, I love it. Let's go to the secondary. Really
47:49
Speaker 1: interesting stuff you have because Quinya Mitchell again, like week one,
47:52
Speaker 1: was a shadower on DeVante. Adams, who is typically a
47:56
Speaker 1: static receiver lines up at the X, but Davante moved
47:59
Speaker 1: around little bit because the Rams do a lot of
48:01
Speaker 1: motion and Mitchell did have to fly. I did see
48:04
Speaker 1: a snap or two of Mitchell in the slot against DeVante.
48:09
Speaker 2: HM that that is interesting. I mean, they their game plan,
48:14
Speaker 2: especially with their injuries at corner that they're going to
48:16
Speaker 2: be dealing with, is subject to change, right, I mean,
48:19
Speaker 2: Ja Cory and Bennett going on IR, Dori Jackson dealing
48:22
Speaker 2: with I believe it was a knee injury. Yeah no,
48:25
Speaker 2: uh yeah yeah, but he's not on IR. But look,
48:29
Speaker 2: they're they're dealing with some some injuries in the secondary.
48:32
Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting to see if they will continue
48:34
Speaker 2: to shadow the primary receiver. They're going to stick with
48:37
Speaker 2: what they did last year, especially because Mike Evans is
48:41
Speaker 2: out next week. You know, I don't think I don't
48:44
Speaker 2: think Godwin's clear to come back yet he might He
48:47
Speaker 2: actually might, Oh he might, Okay.
48:49
Speaker 1: Talking about him being able to play, Yeah.
48:51
Speaker 2: Okay, well either way and meccabuka is going to be trouble.
48:55
Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting to see how they deal with
48:57
Speaker 2: that situation.
48:59
Speaker 1: And even though Mitchell shadowed Pickens in the opener, this
49:03
Speaker 1: was the first game as you note that he shadowed
49:05
Speaker 1: a receiver on more than sixty percent of that receiver's routes.
49:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did it for seventy nine point four percent
49:11
Speaker 2: of Donte Adam's route and you know, he matched up
49:15
Speaker 2: in coverage on twenty two routes, allowing just two receptions
49:19
Speaker 2: for twelve yards and five targets. His only other reception
49:22
Speaker 2: was the forty four yard touchdown against Reed.
49:25
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, okay, right, and that was really set up
49:28
Speaker 1: by motion that made him the number two instead of
49:30
Speaker 1: the number one, which is what McVeigh does really well. Yeah,
49:35
Speaker 1: So ultimately, as you wrote right. Six targets against Mitchell,
49:38
Speaker 1: three receptions twenty yards a QBR fifty seven point six.
49:41
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good job.
49:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a great job, all right.
49:45
Speaker 1: And finishing it off. So Zach Bond led the team
49:47
Speaker 1: and covered GPA minus six point nine.
49:50
Speaker 2: That's pretty where most of that comes from. Most of
49:52
Speaker 2: those points come from.
49:53
Speaker 1: Is I was going to be going to point that out.
49:56
Speaker 1: Suber Dean led the team in tackles with nine Campbell
49:59
Speaker 1: eight Bond s. I will say this stat may be
50:02
Speaker 1: a little bit more misleading because some of those tackles
50:04
Speaker 1: came five to seven yards down the field in run,
50:07
Speaker 1: but still, I think in general, so one one thing
50:11
Speaker 1: I did notice is that the Rams funneled a lot
50:13
Speaker 1: of their when they did run an occasional outside zone
50:16
Speaker 1: or even if they were in inside zone but used motion,
50:19
Speaker 1: they ran toward the nickel, which I'm not I don't
50:23
Speaker 1: think that they ran toward the nickel thinking Degene is
50:25
Speaker 1: some weakness because he's he's good, but you have to
50:27
Speaker 1: pick your poison. You would you rather run toward the
50:30
Speaker 1: nickel or run toward the strong side linebacker and run
50:33
Speaker 1: toward Bond. That's that's that's your poison that you have
50:36
Speaker 1: to pick.
50:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you choose the you know, smaller body.
50:40
Speaker 2: Not that Koop isn't small at all, but right, smaller
50:43
Speaker 2: than Bond.
50:43
Speaker 1: So no, and they got a guy, well, they have
50:46
Speaker 1: two guys, Whittington their receiver eighty nine eighty eight and
50:49
Speaker 1: Higbe eighty nine their tight end, who I thought did
50:51
Speaker 1: a really good job as blockers. They would go in motion,
50:55
Speaker 1: get their get their you know, momentum going, and they
50:59
Speaker 1: did good job. The Rams Rams run, that's their bread
51:02
Speaker 1: and butter. They do an excellent job of it. But
51:06
Speaker 1: I think their physicality gave the Egles a little bit
51:10
Speaker 1: more than I expected, because Eagles are some physical players
51:13
Speaker 1: on defense. But there were some times where guys, not
51:17
Speaker 1: just Carter and Davis, but even in the second level
51:19
Speaker 1: got moved.
51:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree with you. And and
51:23
Speaker 2: look there's there's stuff that they're gonna have to work
51:25
Speaker 2: on for sure.
51:26
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Sam. Another great breakdown is always look forward to
51:30
Speaker 1: doing it next week after the Eagles play the Bucks.
51:32
Speaker 1: And uh, we'll get into that when we do. And
51:35
Speaker 1: I'm good, all right, So thank you for all your
51:37
Speaker 1: hard work, all the great crafts, and for Sam Finkel,
51:40
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