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All-Star ballot review + Are the D’backs good or nah? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I think I would have pil Alonzo in front of
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  Speaker 1: him right now if you.
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  Speaker 2: Want to what, I want to know why, because this
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  Speaker 2: is a good discussion.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, you can vote for All Stars now, So if
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  Speaker 3: you had a sick first two months, you're gonna get
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  Speaker 3: a lot of attention starting right about now. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: already June All Star Game and week and all that is.
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  Speaker 3: In a month, we'll be there, by the way, We'll
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  Speaker 3: give you a lot more details when we get closer
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  Speaker 3: to it. Let's play off Jim Boden's article on his
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  Speaker 3: early MLB All Star team picks for the American League
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  Speaker 3: and the National League. We can unveil the American League
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  Speaker 3: for Todd Father first, if that's cool, and go over
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  Speaker 3: what he's bringing to the table here.
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  Speaker 4: It is first base.
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  Speaker 3: He's got Vladdie one, then Aronda and Torkolsen second base, Labor,
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  Speaker 3: then Brandon Lao shortstop, mister Bobby wit Junior, then Jeremy
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  Speaker 3: Panya and Jacob Wilson third base, Jose Ramirez, followed by
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  Speaker 3: Bregman who's currently hurt Riley Green starting in left field,
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Kwan behind him. He's got Trent Grisham in center field.
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  Speaker 3: With Julio Rodriguez and Byron Buxton behind him, Aaron Judge
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  Speaker 3: in right, and then Cal Riley and Logan o'happy for
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  Speaker 3: your catchers, and we didn't forget about DH. I can
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  Speaker 3: mention DH. So we had hold on him on the
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  Speaker 3: nationalague side, Rapiel Devers and Ryan O'Hearn for DH. Todd Father,
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  Speaker 3: you've seen a lot of Trent Grisham. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: he's the guy?
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  Speaker 1: I do. I do think he is. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is the year he's come along.
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  Speaker 5: He's playing a lot more, he's getting the opportunity to
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  Speaker 5: be the everyday center fielder. His power numbers are up,
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  Speaker 5: his defense has gotten even better, even still as a
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  Speaker 5: Gold Glover, and he's played every He's pretty much hitting
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  Speaker 5: every spot in the lineup, and he's not afraid to
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  Speaker 5: hit you know, ninth, first, whatever it is. He's been
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  Speaker 5: solid all year round, and he's been a really good
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  Speaker 5: a really good plus for this Yankee team. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: when you look at this lineup top to bottom, you know,
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  Speaker 5: going into this year, Oh, everybody's like Trent Grisham, okay, whatever,
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  Speaker 5: but he has come along strong here and he's hitting
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  Speaker 5: the ball with a lot of power too.
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  Speaker 1: As well.
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  Speaker 6: Kratz, do you agree, No, I think this is the
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  Speaker 6: year that Buston Buxton gets his start. He's already I
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  Speaker 6: think he's been a one All Star game, He's been healthy.
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  Speaker 6: I think he's a guy. I think they're trending in
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  Speaker 6: different directions. Trent Grison's gonna get a lot of And
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  Speaker 6: that's why I like about Bowden's article is the fact
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  Speaker 6: that he understands where the fan votes are gonna come
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  Speaker 6: from and how the fans are going to vote the
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  Speaker 6: starters in. I think Buxton's been having a better year
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  Speaker 6: and will continue to have a better year on a team.
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  Speaker 6: It's almost like the way his season is going is
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  Speaker 6: the way the Twins season is going. Shocker, shocker. You
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  Speaker 6: have a big time star in center field and the
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  Speaker 6: team goes by that.
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  Speaker 2: But I think I think it's Buckston. I think buckstonill
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  Speaker 2: end up getting it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest challenge for Buxton is can he stay healthy
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  Speaker 3: for the next six I'm not even joking about it.
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  Speaker 3: It's just real something that's plagued him throughout his career.
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  Speaker 3: Can he get himself to July healthy?
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  Speaker 6: And I even think he believes that. I think he
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  Speaker 6: even believes that because if you believe you're as good
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  Speaker 6: as you are, and I think everybody thinks Buxton is
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  Speaker 6: this elite superstar, you don't sign the contract that he signed.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, maybe I'm way off. He signed an eight year,
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  Speaker 6: one hundred some million dollar contract, which is huge money,
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  Speaker 6: but he's a two hundred million dollar player. But I
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  Speaker 6: think he believes it's really hard to stay on the field.
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  Speaker 6: By the way he plays. This man is all over
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  Speaker 6: the field, and I don't mean just like running all
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  Speaker 6: over the field. He is slamming up against the wall,
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  Speaker 6: laying on the warning track, diving for balls in center,
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  Speaker 6: left and right center. Like he understands the game is
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  Speaker 6: tough to stay healthy. That's why he signed the contract,
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  Speaker 6: and I think this is the year that he becomes
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  Speaker 6: the he's a starter in the center field for the
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  Speaker 6: American League.
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  Speaker 3: I'm with you on that one. I'go Buxton won. He's
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  Speaker 3: close with Grisham on a lot of offensive stats.
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  Speaker 4: Grisham's got an edge, but it's close.
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  Speaker 3: He's obviously got a significant base running edge. Buckston's beast
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  Speaker 3: on the basis even this year, like he's not super aggressive,
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  Speaker 3: but he's casually gotten ten stolen bags.
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  Speaker 4: That's not Grisham's game.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I think when you add that up, he's
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  Speaker 3: got a little edge even on defense. I would get
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  Speaker 3: bucks in the edge over Grisham. Grisham's fantastic, right, But
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  Speaker 3: when you go bust In over Grisham for.
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  Speaker 6: D hands down, hands down, and that's that's saying a
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  Speaker 6: lot because Grisham's a gold Glover like it. I don't
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  Speaker 6: know how to paint the picture for Byron Buckston, but
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  Speaker 6: if you're not a Twins fan, you're missing out on
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  Speaker 6: watching this guy play at the at the level that.
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  Speaker 2: He plays at.
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  Speaker 6: You're talking about a guy that, again healthy is a
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  Speaker 6: gold Glove slash Platinum Glove winner year in and year out,
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  Speaker 6: but he just hasn't stayed healthy to accrue those numbers exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got the edge and out of a average
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  Speaker 3: and some metrics too. So not just eye test there, Let's.
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  Speaker 4: Get some pictures. Pick your al starter.
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  Speaker 3: So this is who Jim Bowden has, Trek Scougel, Chris
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  Speaker 3: Bubach having an awesome year, Gartt Crochet, Max Fried Nadi,
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  Speaker 3: Valdi Hunter Brown, Carlos Rodon, Shane Smith, Andres Munos, Carlos Estevez,
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  Speaker 3: Josh hater John Durant.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, if you're watching this after the fact.
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  Speaker 3: And we mentioned anyone in the ale, and then when
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  Speaker 3: we get to the NL that you think shouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: on there or you think there's someone missing, then comment below.
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  Speaker 3: But for the case of this exercise, Todd Father, is
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  Speaker 3: it obvious to start Trek Scugel or do you think
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  Speaker 3: Boonie and the decision might look over to Max Freed
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  Speaker 3: and say thanks for signing with the World Series team
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  Speaker 3: from last year, I get to pick you.
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  Speaker 4: You made the right decision.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's obvious.
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  Speaker 5: But oh man, this is tough because I'm biased as
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  Speaker 5: all this stuff when it comes out. Man, I'm taking
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  Speaker 5: my guys for sure. A lot of lefties on there.
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  Speaker 5: But I do think schoobl deserves it.
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's a really really good picture. And then
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  Speaker 5: you know, maybe you go with Max and Rodin right
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  Speaker 5: after that. But there has been some really a good
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  Speaker 5: plothora of left handed pitchers starting pitchers. Garret Crochet, who
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  Speaker 5: we talked about as well. I don't think he could
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  Speaker 5: really go wrong. But Tarik has been or Erk whatever.
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  Speaker 5: I'm losing his name here, Sorry, he's been.
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  Speaker 2: He's been.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, Sorry, I just had a little bubble there.
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  Speaker 5: He's the guy I would say, he's the guy I
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  Speaker 5: just started. Man, he's been doing it for two years
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  Speaker 5: now and it's been really fantastic.
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  Speaker 6: I know who Boonie's not choosing. He's not going Garrett Crochet.
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  Speaker 6: That would That's an easy way of saying, I don't
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  Speaker 6: want to be in New York anymore. I chose a
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  Speaker 6: Red Sox to start the All Star Game. I really
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  Speaker 6: think if all things stay exactly the same, there's gonna
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  Speaker 6: be some dudes that are missing out on starting for
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  Speaker 6: the American League, like they are gonna make the All
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  Speaker 6: Star team. I get it in other years. Even Shane
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  Speaker 6: Smith is having from the White Sox, it's having an
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  Speaker 6: incredible year in his rookie campaign, and he's might not
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  Speaker 6: even get in the game based on the other starters
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  Speaker 6: that are out there with Rodon and what he's doing, Crochet,
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  Speaker 6: all the guys that Todd just said. I do think
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  Speaker 6: it's Scoobale, and I think Scooble's advantage that he has
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  Speaker 6: over the other guys. He just wanted to say young
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  Speaker 6: he led his team to the playoffs, last year's and
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  Speaker 6: he is not only continued what he was doing, but
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  Speaker 6: he stepped it up.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't like guys on base I think his whip.
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  Speaker 6: Is under point eight, a point eight whip, like he doesn't.
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  Speaker 6: He's just he's dominating right now, and I think he's
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  Speaker 6: he has got he's got that starting nod locked up
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  Speaker 6: as of today.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the only move that would make Boonie even
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  Speaker 3: more hated for a decision, Hunter Brown. I think Yankee
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  Speaker 3: fans hate at the Astros more than the Red Sox
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  Speaker 3: in this current in this generation, much more successful team
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  Speaker 3: trash scandal that directly affected the boys. Do you agree
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  Speaker 3: to motated team for Yankee fans is a man right now,
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  Speaker 3: right now, like in the last few five years, call
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  Speaker 3: it it's got to be Houston the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, I would yeah, I would say
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  Speaker 5: there's still a little little hate towards them, but you know,
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  Speaker 5: as the years are going on, it's kind of going
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  Speaker 5: away a little bit because they've struggled.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know, it's hit or miss.
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  Speaker 5: they're playing Astros, they remember those days back in seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to the National League and unveil who Boden
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  Speaker 3: put out there. At least so far, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: there's a ton of debate for starters. There's going to be,
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  Speaker 3: of course, many people calling out who's missing on this
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  Speaker 3: list orho shouldn't be on this list. But Boden's got
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  Speaker 3: Freddie Freeman starting over Pete Alonzo. You can see some
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  Speaker 3: pros and cons with the offensive numbers for both guys.
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  Speaker 3: Pete's got Moore pop, Freddy's the better glove. Brendan Donovan.
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  Speaker 3: I think Leeds in war for second basement. He's been
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  Speaker 3: awesome this year for Saint Louis. Than Bryce Terrang behind him,
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  Speaker 3: Lindor starting shortstop. I don't think there's much question there
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  Speaker 3: than Ellie and Trey Manny Machado at third, than Austin
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  Speaker 3: Riley behind him. Look at rookie James Wood and rookie
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Stowers in left field. He's got Wood in front
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  Speaker 3: of Stours, Crow Armstrong of course in center field, and
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  Speaker 3: O'Neil Kruz deserves it behind him, Kyle Tucker and Wright
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  Speaker 3: Corbyn Carroll, who's coming on really strong, and you could
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  Speaker 3: make a case if you're looking at numbers for those
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  Speaker 3: two right now, that Carol could.
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  Speaker 4: Make a case for going above KT.
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  Speaker 3: And then Fernando Tatis Junior right behind them, Will Smith
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  Speaker 3: starting catcher, he's like five hundred with runners in scoring position.
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  Speaker 3: And then Hunter Goodman because the Rocky's got to have
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  Speaker 3: somebody Kratz anything you like, don't like here, I would.
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  Speaker 6: Take Terrang over Brandon Donovan, but I get it. Brendan
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  Speaker 6: Donovan's got you know, he's got a high batting average,
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  Speaker 6: but Terrang is actually beating him in a lot of
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  Speaker 6: other a lot of war categories. So I'm also a
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  Speaker 6: Brewers apologist, So I love Bryce Terrang. He's a shortstop
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  Speaker 6: playing second base. And I would almost say what Matt
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  Speaker 6: Chapman's doing in San Francisco while he's batting averages way behind,
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  Speaker 6: way behind Manny Machado's actually a more valuable player on
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  Speaker 6: a team that, in my opinion, needs him more. I
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  Speaker 6: think Matt Chapman should be in the discussion over Austin
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  Speaker 6: Riley at third base. Those are the two that I
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  Speaker 6: feel like Matt Chapman needs to get recognition for what
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  Speaker 6: he's doing there, and the fact that that team isn't
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  Speaker 6: what they are, that pitching staff isn't what they are,
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  Speaker 6: because they're gonna They're gonna throw a pitcher on the
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  Speaker 6: on the All Star Game and they need him at
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  Speaker 6: third base.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Pete Alonzo, Freddie Freeman over there. That's a battle
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  Speaker 5: that's gonna probably go on until you know, the All
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  Speaker 5: Star Game comes along. I think Peter Alonzo's right there
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  Speaker 5: with him. I think he's having a fantastic year. Freddie
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  Speaker 5: Fraeman doing what he does best, even after an injury,
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  Speaker 5: but I think I would have Peter Alonzo in front
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  Speaker 5: of him right now if you want.
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  Speaker 6: To truth why. I want to know why, because it's
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  Speaker 6: a good discussion.
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  Speaker 1: I I'm not.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have the exactly just from what I'm seeing
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  Speaker 5: from Pete Alonzo, especially from last year to this year.
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  Speaker 5: I know it's not about last year's numbers, but what
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  Speaker 5: he's been dealt with and the crap he's done off
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  Speaker 5: the field, and people be like, well it doesn't really matter, Well,
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  Speaker 5: this dude has been put through the wringer with trying
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  Speaker 5: to get signed and still coming back and putting up
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  Speaker 5: the numbers. He's doing his averages up, his power still there,
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  Speaker 5: and he's doing it with Sodo in the helm too
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  Speaker 5: as well. He's basically in hitting wise, I think he's
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  Speaker 5: carrying the team.
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  Speaker 6: Freddy has a ops plus of one ninety eight. He
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  Speaker 6: is batting three seventy right now, three seventy.
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  Speaker 4: M.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a big edge on offense here, and
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  Speaker 3: he's a better defender. He's the only case that Todd
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  Speaker 3: Father can make. Pete Alonzo two hundred and twenty seven
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  Speaker 3: abs Freddy's at what one?
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  Speaker 4: Didn't you miss a little hair at time?
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  Speaker 3: That's the only case is the volume game, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Pete's obviously driven in more runs if you're looking at
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  Speaker 3: more of the classic stats. But yeah, Pete's got more pop.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm from the area, so I can say what I want,
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  Speaker 3: and so is Todd Father.
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  Speaker 4: Dodger fans are cray. They're gonna vote more. They just are.
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  Speaker 4: It's a voting war. He's gonna vote more.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking, well, that's said.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna call out in New York Mets fans because
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  Speaker 6: they didn't like them before, because I called the Mets
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  Speaker 6: a third place team. If you don't get Pete Alonso
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  Speaker 6: into the All Star Game. You haven't shown up like
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  Speaker 6: Dodgers fans.
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  Speaker 4: He's getting in.
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  Speaker 3: He's just not starting because Freddy is going to win
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  Speaker 3: the starting vote.
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  Speaker 4: It is a world of votes.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: They're not going to dominate in every category.
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  Speaker 3: But the Dodgers are the world's team and Freddy is
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  Speaker 3: a superstar and they love him worldwide, the worldwide Dodger fans.
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  Speaker 4: I think they're gonna have the edge with the clicks.
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  Speaker 2: But then Pete go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: And Pete did say when we ask him about the
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  Speaker 5: home run derby, he says, I gotta see if I
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  Speaker 5: make the All Stars first.
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  Speaker 1: So he didn't say he was not going to do it.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to be there. He's going to be there.
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  Speaker 4: That's obvious. It's the it's just the starting No, it's
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  Speaker 4: just a fun thing, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Lastly, uh, the dh is Otani and then Schwarber makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Pitchers Paul Skens, Zach Wheeler, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Chris Sale, Logan Webb,
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  Speaker 3: Jesus Lozardo, Robbie Ray Mackenzie, Gore, Hunter Green, Kodai Sanga,
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  Speaker 3: Robert Suarez, Edwin Diaz again, We're not going over you know,
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  Speaker 3: the nitpick of who should be on, who should be off.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just going to the cream of the crop right
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  Speaker 3: now for this exercise.
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  Speaker 4: Who's starting?
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  Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler? Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Who should be starting? Or who will be starting?
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  Speaker 4: He can get me both.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Well, who's the manager?
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  Speaker 5: As we know, Dave Roberts. Yeah, we talked about this
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  Speaker 5: Aaron Boone. On one side, Roberts is Yamamoto. Right now,
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  Speaker 5: he's having a fantastic gear. Who should start? I think
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  Speaker 5: same thing, Christy. I love Wheeler, you can't go wrong
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  Speaker 5: with him, but you got to understand too, Now who's managing?
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  Speaker 5: Who's gonna get the upper hand? And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 5: he shouldn't start, but it's really close to me right now,
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  Speaker 5: and I think Yamamoto will get the nod if he
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  Speaker 5: keeps going the way he is.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think he will be able to pitch in
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  Speaker 6: the in the All Star Game the Dodgers. The Dodgers
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  Speaker 6: don't allow these guys to pitch extra Why would they
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  Speaker 6: let him get an extra start that's not in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna go on a limb and say maybe the
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  Speaker 6: Dodgers don't even let him maybe he's like, maybe Dave
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  Speaker 6: Roberts will play a little cat and mouse game. He'd
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  Speaker 6: be like, I'm not gonna let one of the teams
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  Speaker 6: that we're gonna play against not have a starter start
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: an extra start. So you know what, wheel Er, go
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: for it. Maybe we'll tire you out for the rest
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: of the for the for the stretch run of the season.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Here doesn't Yamamoto do the weekend because he's a once
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: a week guy. He's I think, I mean, as of
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: right now, he's Fridays. But they can easily be like, oh,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: you know, we're giving him one more so it'll get
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: pushed to Saturday. And then once you're on, is it
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Saturday or Sunday?
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: You're off?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Is it Sunday for Sunday?
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Sure you're off. So they'll they'll figure it out. I
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: agree with you, he should be starting. I don't know
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: if they'll let.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Him do it.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's the guy. If he goes down right now,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: there's trouble.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Do you think he's having a better season than Paul Skeen's.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but Paul Skean started last year, and
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I do think it's not like an MVP or Cy
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: young you can switch it up, so Phelix. Skeen's got
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: his moment last year, and if Yamamoto can pitch, he
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: should get his moment. It makes sense this year. And
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: if not, I do think has Wheeler ever done it?
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Has he started?
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I gotta look.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know, okay, but I mean yes, there are
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: potential cards that get put in play where Skeen's might
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: start it. Think about it. Schemes need something to get
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: motivated for. I mean every time he pitches, it's like
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: one nothing two to one team season has been over since.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: The first few weeks of the year.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: It's tough sledding for a guy that seems super competitive,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: so something for him to look forward to. He's definitely
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: got a shot. I mean, numbers wise, he's right there.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: And he's given you length to this year, which is impressive.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: And he started the year right away versus last year
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: and he was called up about a month into the season. Anyway,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: fun debate. We'll do more of this, of course, We've
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: got some time with all star rosters. But now you
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: can vote, so thanks for checking this out comment below
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: if you're watching it later on. I'm looking at some
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: responses in here, Michael said, Joe Ryan's gotta be in there.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: That's fair for American League.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Who do you I mean, I always play this game
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: when you when you give this in right, take someone off?
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Who are you taking off?
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: I'm not taking anybody off. I'm putting I'm taking We
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: should talk about shortstop in the American League. Jeremy Pania.
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: Jeremy Pania is helping keep the Astros afloat right now
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: without Jordan Alvarez. He's got better numbers across the board
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: than Bobby Wit. I get I get it, Bobby WIT's
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: popularity vote maybe, but Jeremy paeney to deserves to be
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: the starter over Bobby Witt.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby with so I'm one of the sure.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Do you guys only look at the first couple of
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: months of the season. Also keep in mind, if you're
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: doing that, you still have a month and a half
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: despair where Bobby can go nuts and be ahead of Penia.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: But do you only look at like for Bobby, he's
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: not playing poorly, he's playing well, and he was the
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: second best player in the American League last year.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Does he get some Brownie points for that? In your mind?
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: For me, he does.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: From just a yeah, no, no, you're a good time.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: And that's why I said about Alonzo. I mean you
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: look at you know, you think about the gold glove
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: and I and I'm telling you right now people, the
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: guys that get it always deserve it. But if you
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: once you win one, it's like, all right, this is
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: a guy that's already on top of the list. You know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: he has to be have like a catastrophic you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: year to not get it. And you see usually the
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: same guy's going over. Bobby Witt is Bobby Witty's top
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: five player in the Big leagues hitting wise, in my opinion.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: So he's already up on the board whether he know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: unless again he falls off, which you know, he can
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: go average right now and still be the top third
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: baseman or excuse me, short stime.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I see a couple could tell Marte Hall outs that's fair.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: He was what number three or four and MVP last year.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: The problem is just missed time for him right now.
• 20:58
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  Speaker 2: Jack.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Great to see you, hope you're having fun with the show.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And are the Diamondbacks.
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: Okay, great question. That's a good way to put it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: Thanks to have a chance.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: I mean they're not out of it, but they went
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: through a really bad stretch here.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: They've had a lot of problems.
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: I just want to chip in real quick. Cotel Monte
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: missed four weeks with hamstring injury. He's hit ten homers
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: since he came off the il May second, and he's
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: got over one thousand oh ps one seventy nine ops
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: plus and just a little bit less war than you know,
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: Donovan or terrang in half as many games. He's still
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: the best second basement in the league. Just want to
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: say that that's fair.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: He can win.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: He can win, he can win July Player, the I
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: mean May Player of the Month. He's got time yet,
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: but right now he's not. He's not the All Star.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Doesn't mean he's not the best player, best second baseman
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: in the league. Nobody, nobody's arguing.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: That right I hadn't chip in. Listen, that was a
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: great conversation you guys were having.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Hey, Katell obviously has been amazing when he's been on
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the field for them, and Corbyn Carl's had a big
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: bounce back year for the team. The pitching's been a
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: hot mess. The mess continue with Corbyn Burns put on
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the I L So I'll ask it again.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Are the Diamondbacks.
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: Okay, they're going to have to really pull it something
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: out of there, you know what to you know, get
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: over and pass this. Corbyn Burns injury. We don't know
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: yet if his injury is going to result in surgery
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: or just a month or two on the Il there
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: probably will tell us Thursday or Friday. He's getting a
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: second opinion with doctor Neil la Tresh. And you know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: he said it never felt anything like that before. He
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: said he felt tightness. He said he didn't feel a pop.
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: Tory Lavello said that the MRI results were not inconclusive.
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: I don't know what exactly that means. I guess it
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: wasn't inconclusive because people were trying to say that some
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: certain reports came out. So I think in the case
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: of Corbyn Burns, we're just gonna have to wait and
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: see my best case scenario as he misses, you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: a month, I think, because once you're down for a
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: week or two, as you guys know, then you have
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: a ramp up period. If he's down for two or
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: three weeks, then it's six to eight weeks for him
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: to come back. So they're going to have to bridge
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: this gap with Ryan Nelson and a Dwarter Rodriguez who's
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: just coming off the IL. And it's going to be
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: tough because, as you said, their pitching has been a
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: hot mess all year. It's certainly not going to be
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: easy to get better or improve in that area.
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: With Corbyn Burns going on the injured list.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: A name that a lot of non Diamondbacks people don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: know is Brent Strom. Does Brent Strom deserve an apology
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: because he got blamed for I think the third worst era,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: the third most runs given up by a pitching staff
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: in Major League Baseball and he got fired. Is it
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: just how this team has been constructed? And maybe not
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: necessarily the pitching coach who was considered one of the
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: better pitching coaches and essentially helped them get to the
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: World Series by the changes that the pitchers made in
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: that NLCS against the Phillies.
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: I certainly feel that him being the fall guy was unfair.
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: It was a roster construction issue. Also, some of the
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: pitchers that he was working with perhaps were resistant to
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: what he was saying, and one of those I think
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: included Zach Gallen, who's struggled even worse this year. On
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: the new pitching coach, Brian Kaplan. Now, I've never worked
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: at that level in the major leagues. I've been an
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: analyst for a team, but it's very different than actually
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: working with the guys every day and their bullpens and
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: their game prep. So it's hard for me to evaluate
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: just how much influence the pitching coaches have. I think
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: at the end of the day, you need good pitchers
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: that are figuring things out mostly on their own, with
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: the guidance of the pitching coaches. But you know, you
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: guys have probably a better feel for just how much
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: influence they actually have. Maybe the top flight best in
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: the business can help fix a few guys. But I
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: don't think every guy is going to mesh with every coach, right,
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: So in this case, I think it's really on the players,
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: not on the coaches. And yes, I think Brent Strom
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: got kind of a raw deal last year.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Let's stay on this a little bit. Zach Allen really
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: still a good pitcher. He's been incredible over the years.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Can trade deadline coming up? You know, with all the
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: problems that are going on, can you see a guy
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: like that be moved? Merrill Kelly coming up on a
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: contract year? I mean, can you see a trade with
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: any of these guys?
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: Oh, anything's possible. Everything's on the table.
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: I mean, if the Diamondbacks are sellers, certainly they have
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: to consider it. Mike Hazen's mo in the past has
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: been to really let it wait out. He doesn't believe
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: in trying to force these issues now, and he doesn't
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: think a lot of the conversations are easy to have
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: at this stage of the season.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: Now. You know, Aj Preller may disagree, right, he pulled.
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: Off some early stuff last year, But I think that's
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: the exception, not the rule. You know, if you're talking
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: about more significant impact moves, generally they're going to happen,
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: and you know, around the early part of July to
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: the end of July that's usually.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: When it happens.
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: So they need to see how things shake out for
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: the next month. The other thing is if they're in
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: that middle zone where they're still kind of in it
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: and they're not sellers, but they're not in a strong
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: enough position to be strong buyers, then maybe the calculus
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: of well, do I want to weigh the draft pick
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: value that I get from giving Zach Allen the qualifying
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: offer and having him sign elsewhere? Is that worth more
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: than what I can get returned. It just depends really
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: on the market. Pitching market is probably not real strong
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: and deep this year, so my guess is that they
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: could get quite a bit for them. They're just not
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: quite there yet. With Zach in particular. You know, I
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: think for me, his issues actually date back to the
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: second half of twenty three. You know, prior to twenty
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: twenty two, he was usually three and a half walks
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: per nine type of guy, and then from twenty two
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: All Star Break to twenty three All Star Break he
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: was the best pitcher in baseball. But starting in the
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: second half of twenty three, his fastball started to get
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: knocked around a little bit, and subsequently, by August September,
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: he started to get chased out of the zone a bit,
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: and that trend has continued. There's been a lot of breakdown,
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: a lot of analysis on the shape of his fastball
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: where he's.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: Trying to put it.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: I think he was getting a lot of swing and
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: miss and soft contact at the top of the zone
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: previously with his fastball, and it just doesn't happen anymore.
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: It gets banged around, and when it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: Does from these eyeballs, he starts nibbling and it gets
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: kind of tough to watch.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: Once he gets banged around a bit, next thing, you know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: here comes. You know, he goes from one to three
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: to one, or he just starts, you know, falling behind
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: on guys quickly and starts issuing walks. He's issued the
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: most walks of anybody in the National League this year.
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: So last night he had a good game. He went
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: twenty one to twenty seven first pitch strikes. He also
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: had like a seventy three percent strike percentage. But the
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: Rays were helping him out. They were chasing big time
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: at pitches, you know, just.
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: Off or out of the zone.
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: I don't know why the Braves had such an aggressive
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: approach against the guy that's been struggling to keep walks
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: off the board, but that's the way it went last night.
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: So hopefully that's a turnaround game for him. Dbacks are
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: certainly going to need it if they're going to stay
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: in contention.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Let's say it continues to go and they just kind
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: of are middling.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: The death toll for an owner is when you start
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: spending money and your team doesn't improve. Now last year,
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: I think they went up by six or seven wins
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: last year but didn't make the playoffs. If this year
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: continues the way it goes, I get it. Injuries, Corbyn burns,
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: all those things. Is there a chance Tory Levello's job
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: is at stake because I know there's three teams that
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: would love to have him, and maybe even Baltimore would
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: love to have him because they actually want to win
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: and he's not looking to go to a rebuild.
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: Very difficult to evaluate that in that I mean, first
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: of all, there is a big, I guess ground swell
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: coming up from the fan base. A lot of people
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: are pushing to replace Levello. I don't think personally think
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: the issues are primarily his fault. They have struggled on
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: defense this year and focus on defense, and so some
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: of that can be tied to, you know, the manager
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: and his coaches keeping the players moving in the right
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: direction there, but they're still playing hard for him. He's
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: not lost that clubhouse. These are still primarily you know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: run prevention issues and pitching issues, and he doesn't choose
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: the pitchers they get. He and Mike Cayson are very close.
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: And Mike Casen went on air and took full responsibility
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: for the issues with the bullpen and the bullpen construction
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: and even defended Tori's you know, selection and usage of
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: his bullpen, and he put the onus on himself the
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: general manager, for not giving him the right tools or
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: enough depth to withstand a couple of injuries. So will
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: the owner I mean goes back to the owner. Will
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: the owner lose patience. In the past, Ken Kendrick has
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: had a quick trigger, but in the last you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: nine years, he's been very patient. He's really changed in
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: that regard. I would be surprised if Tory Leavello was
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: let go at.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: The end of this year in season or at the
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: end of this year.
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: Now, if that carried over again into twenty twenty six
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: and they got off to a slow start in his
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: you know, lame duck year because he signed to the
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: end of twenty six, then that's a different story. But
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: my guess, if I was a betting man, I would
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: say that he survives the season and into twenty six.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: All Right, who wins an MVP? First, Corbyn Carroll or
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: ca Tell Marte.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: I'm going to go with Corbyn Carroll.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: Because he's made the changes, or because he stays healthy.
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: I think because he stays healthy.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: There.
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: You know, Catel's had these hamstring issues before, even though
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: the team gave him a pretty big extension, I think
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: eventually he's going to have to be moved off second base.
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: Whether that's into a dh Roll or first base, I'm
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: not really sure, but I think that durability is going
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: to be an impediment for Katel to be able to
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: win an MVP. I mean, you got to play one
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: hundred and fifty games generally, unless you just put up
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: such crazy numbers in less than that. So I think
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: that Corbyn Carroll has a better chance to do that
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: and stay healthy.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Corbyn Carrol's much younger too, so he's got more years
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: to try and rack up an MVP. Marte's gotten closer though, right,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: or what was Carol came in third year?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Came in third, top three twice? Right?
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah he was.
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: I think it was top five in nineteen and third
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: last year?
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, what was Carol his rookie year? Did he get
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: placed high?
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: Or now I'd have to double check. I do you
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: not remember? Off the top of my head.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I like to pop quiz people. Jack, you're the best.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much. That was great.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Make sure everyone want to check out Snake's territory. He
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: was fifth his rookie year. Yeah, there you go.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Hey, look at the nice graphics on this show.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate you, Jack, And on your way out here,
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  Speaker 3: we'll show everyone what this show looks like.
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  Speaker 4: You can catch it wherever you get your pods.
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  Speaker 3: And digital shows on YouTube, apples, Spotify, etc. And we
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  Speaker 3: show clips sometimes from that show. Here it's Snake's territory.