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Jeff Passan joins: Top trade deadline candidates to track, Team needs · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back ESPN insider Jeff Passing on the show. Jeff,
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Speaker 1: it's good to see you and love catching your show.
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Speaker 1: The new one sources tell Jeff Passing on ESPNSMLB YouTube channel.
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Speaker 2: Wherever you get your pods.
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Speaker 1: Also always reading what you got Jeff, which was something
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Speaker 1: fresh this morning. One hundred names that are all going
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Speaker 1: to get traded at the deadline?
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot.
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Speaker 1: How you doing and I want to go through them.
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Speaker 3: I really hope one hundred guys don't get traded to
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Speaker 3: the deadline like last deadline was wild enough, Like the
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Speaker 3: Minnesota Twins had a deadline for everyone last time around,
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Speaker 3: and you know what, they may actually be one of
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Speaker 3: the busier teams of this time around too.
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Speaker 2: So it's such an interesting time.
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Speaker 3: Guys, because we just have no idea right now what
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Speaker 3: the landscape is going to look like in a month.
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Speaker 3: And I think we're going to have a better sense
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Speaker 3: after the All Star break as to who actually is
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Speaker 3: going to be moving and who's not, but there might
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Speaker 3: be some decisions that don't have and until even the
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Speaker 3: week before the August theyird deadline.
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Speaker 2: So fun times in baseball right now, Ah.
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Speaker 4: Jeff, I'll start right with the team major team you
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Speaker 4: brought up, the Twins, Byron Buckston. I think he was
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Speaker 4: two on your list, right. Byron Buckson says he doesn't
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Speaker 4: want to go anywhere. Will he actually wave.
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Speaker 3: His no trade?
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Speaker 4: And then you go down to like Joe, Ryan, and
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Speaker 4: there's some other names on this Twins team that could
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Speaker 4: be valuable to other teams.
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Speaker 5: Will they do this again?
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Speaker 3: That's one of the burning questions, Aja, And I think
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Speaker 3: Ryan Jeffers is another.
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Speaker 2: One who you didn't mention.
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Speaker 3: He's gonna be coming back from an injury and the
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Speaker 3: expectation is he's going to be the best catcher out
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Speaker 3: there as well. So I think when it comes down
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Speaker 3: to it with Byron bucks And, it's going to be
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Speaker 3: a simple question how much do the Twins want to
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Speaker 3: tear down? And if they do, is that going to
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Speaker 3: prompt him to say, I'm thirty two years old, I
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Speaker 3: haven't won a championship yet. The Philadelphia Phillies would really
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Speaker 3: want me, The Atlanta Braves might want to bring me home.
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Speaker 3: They're opportunity unities to go to teams that have a
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Speaker 3: chance to win the World Series this year. Is that
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Speaker 3: something that's important to me at this phase? In my
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Speaker 3: career and in my life. And look, if Byron Buckston
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Speaker 3: wants to stick around in Minnesota and b Joe Mauer,
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Speaker 3: I have nothing bad to say about that. I love
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Speaker 3: the idea of somebody spending an entire career with the
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Speaker 3: same team.
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Speaker 2: But if, on the other.
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Speaker 3: Hand, he says, you know what, I'm done with this
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Speaker 3: last year was enough. It doesn't feel like there's a
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Speaker 3: light at the end of the tunnel at this point,
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Speaker 3: and maybe mutually agreed upon separation would be best for
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Speaker 3: all parties.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't see him moving now.
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Speaker 3: I think we we put a percentile likelihood of trade
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Speaker 3: for all of the players there, and I think we
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Speaker 3: put Byron Buckston somewhere in like the fifteen to twenty
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Speaker 3: five percent territory. I don't see him being dealt because
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Speaker 3: until he indicates that there's even some kind of possibility
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Speaker 3: that he would be open to a deal, it's moved.
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Speaker 3: But once that happens, teams are gonna be crawling all
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Speaker 3: over each other to try and get him, because he
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Speaker 3: is an impact player at an impact position.
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Speaker 5: You had him at thirty percent, but I need to
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Speaker 5: go to the guys who are at eighty five percent
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Speaker 5: Terrek Schoogle slam dunk trade gotta be traded unless.
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Speaker 3: What unless the Detroit Tigers sometime between now and the
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Speaker 3: All Star Break rip off an eight plus game winning streak.
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Speaker 2: That to me is what it's gonna take to get
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Speaker 2: them back into things.
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Speaker 3: And look, I understand guys in the American League, like
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Speaker 3: all bets are off, we have no idea who's gonna
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Speaker 3: be in the postseason this year. That's exciting and that's good,
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Speaker 3: and that's fun. I wish the records were a little
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Speaker 3: bit better. But beyond the New York Yankees, Like, who's
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Speaker 3: gonna win the American League Central? Is it Cleveland? Is
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Speaker 3: it the White Sox? Who's gonna win the American League West?
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Speaker 2: Is it the Mariners? Is it the A's?
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Speaker 3: How much do the A's want to push and how
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Speaker 3: much do they want to go out and get a
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Speaker 3: starting pitcher? How much did the Chicago White Sox need
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Speaker 3: to go out and get a starting pitcher? And would
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Speaker 3: it be somebody more like say Redebtmers who has multiple
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Speaker 3: years of control as opposed to a rental for this season?
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Speaker 3: The calculus for all of these things, Eric, it's just
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Speaker 3: ever evolving, And what It's what makes this trade deadline
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Speaker 3: so fascinating to me, that we just don't know a
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Speaker 3: whole lot right now, and until that information is a
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Speaker 3: lot more solidified, this is all really just speculation.
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Speaker 4: The White Sox are gonna win that division. Jeff, thank
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Speaker 4: you question that.
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Speaker 2: We can we talk about the White Sox for a second.
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Speaker 5: I would love to talk about the White Sox, dude.
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Speaker 3: I love watching that team. I think they are so
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Speaker 3: much fun and they just have an energy about them.
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Speaker 2: And you know, in a time in baseball.
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Speaker 3: Right now where we try to quantify everything, the unquantifiable
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Speaker 3: energy of a team, I think is a very real
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Speaker 3: thing and something that we don't give enough credit because
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Speaker 3: we're so used to the idea that we can say
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Speaker 3: specifically down.
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Speaker 2: To, you know, the tenth of what a guy is worth.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I look at a team that's young,
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Speaker 3: that gets along, that likes each other, that came up together,
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Speaker 3: that lost together, and now they're taking those lessons in
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Speaker 3: turning them into wins. And I think the White Sox
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Speaker 3: front office has done a magnificent job, not just in
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Speaker 3: signing them to Tako more Comic, but in bringing Anthony
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Speaker 3: k back from Japan and Anthony K's throwing ninety eight
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Speaker 3: mile an hour sinkers now and looking at Grant Taylor
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Speaker 3: and saying, you know what, he's going to be best
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Speaker 3: out of the bullpen. His stuff is going to play
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Speaker 3: like an elite reliever there. And that's exactly what it's
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Speaker 3: done in fixing Miguel Vargas in identifying Sam Anthonachi a
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Speaker 3: Juco kid who spent a year at Coastal Carolina and
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Speaker 3: isn't going to hit a lot of home runs, but
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Speaker 3: it's just a freaking ballplayer. I like so much about
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Speaker 3: the White Sox right now, and I think the one
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Speaker 3: thing they need to caution against is pushing too quickly.
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Speaker 3: You know. It takes some time, I think, to understand
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Speaker 3: not just what it's like to win, but what it's
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Speaker 3: like to win in the postseason. That's a completely different beast.
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Speaker 3: And if that's a priority to introduce that to this
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Speaker 3: team right now, then hey, go for it. But I
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Speaker 3: think the White Sox have a chance to build something
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Speaker 3: really sustainable, and you don't want the excitement of this
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you trade one or two guys, Jeff,
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Speaker 4: it's worth it. If it's worth it, if you can
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Speaker 4: trade one or two guys and get some pieces, it's
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Speaker 4: worth it to go to the postseason and make and
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Speaker 4: have a chance to make a run, because, like you mentioned,
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Speaker 4: in the American League, it's open. It's wide open.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sure is.
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Speaker 4: So that's that's the only thing that I want to
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Speaker 4: say about this. The next time, when someone asked you
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Speaker 4: that question, who's going to win the Central your answer Isardians,
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Speaker 4: the Cleveland Guardians. That is such crawd Just because just
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Speaker 4: because Crafts said that to you, I want to go
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Speaker 4: into some completely different though. Even though I'll saity you
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Speaker 4: here in talk White Sox all day. I was at
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Speaker 4: the game on Sunday against the Dodgers. It was unbelievable.
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Speaker 4: So the name that pops up that you have a
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Speaker 4: tenth on this list is Sandy al Contra. We've been
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Speaker 4: hearing for like four years, the Marlins are gonna trade them,
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Speaker 4: The Marlins are gonna trade them. Now the Marlins aren't
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Speaker 4: gonna trade them because he got hurt and they had
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Speaker 4: to see and now everyone's saying, oh, they're gonna finally
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Speaker 4: trade him. Are they really gonna finally trade Sandy?
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Speaker 2: I think this with the Marlins is a perfect example
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Speaker 2: of the standings dictating things and and the Marlins are
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Speaker 2: a very patient organization AJ and I think they understand
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Speaker 2: that in the landscape of the National League, it's a
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Speaker 2: little bit different than the American League. You've got the Dodgers,
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Speaker 2: You've got the Braves, You've got.
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Speaker 3: The Phillies playing like a team that looks like it
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Speaker 3: could be a World Series contender. And among all of those,
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Speaker 3: what you have are great pitching staffs. The Dodgers top
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Speaker 3: to bottom. The Brave's bullpen is unbelievable. And I don't
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Speaker 3: think you know, San Diego gets a lot of the love.
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Speaker 3: I don't think people recognize how great with Rose ell
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Speaker 3: Iglesias and Robert Suarez and Dylan Lee and we can
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Speaker 3: go on and on about how good you know, Didy
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Speaker 3: or Flintes Like the Braves bullpen this year has been tremendous.
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Speaker 3: And then the Phillies. When you have Zach Wheeler pitching
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Speaker 3: the way that he's pitching, when you have Christopher Sanchez,
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Speaker 3: you know, being sinker god that he is, and then
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Speaker 3: you throw in you know all the rest of the
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Speaker 3: arms that they've got their Jesus Lazardo Aaron Nola. Like
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Speaker 3: the Phillies, it can go into any series and just
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Speaker 3: bully you with their starting rotation. And so if you're
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Speaker 3: the Marlins, you have to take all of those things
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Speaker 3: into account. And as well as they've been playing as
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Speaker 3: impressive as a middle infield as they have with Otto
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Speaker 3: Lopez and Xavier Edwards, and with the future that looks
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Speaker 3: very bright, I'm not sure right now is necessarily the
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Speaker 3: year for the Marlins to push in And if that's
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Speaker 3: the case, Sandiel Contra after this year has a twenty
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Speaker 3: one i think million dollar option for next season, but
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Speaker 3: he's beginning to lose some of that trade value.
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Speaker 2: Previously it was down because of performance.
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Speaker 3: Now it's just a question of how much are we
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Speaker 3: actually going to be getting out of this guy with
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Speaker 3: only a year and a half control.
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Speaker 5: What do you see the overarching works in the trade
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Speaker 5: at the trade deadline being long term pieces the are
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Speaker 5: traded because you talked about guys with control debt mers,
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Speaker 5: you talked about how Ol Contra has it or short
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Speaker 5: term with the possible looming uncertainty of the CBA.
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Speaker 3: It's such a fascinating topic, Cratzy, because I just don't
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Speaker 3: know how much teams are going to penalize the idea
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Speaker 3: that time can be lost in twenty twenty seven, and
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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be really interesting, quite indicative actually,
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Speaker 3: when we look at the return for guys who have
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Speaker 3: control and not control like debt Mars for a couple
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Speaker 3: of years, or you know, not control for someone like
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Speaker 3: Matt Shaw who's got another five years after this year,
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Speaker 3: but control for guys who are going to be free
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Speaker 3: agents after twenty twenty seven. If teams are paying the
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Speaker 3: same price this year that they did for similar guys
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Speaker 3: last year, that suggests to me that clubs believe that
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Speaker 3: any sort of labor stoppage that happens is not going
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Speaker 3: to be as catastrophic and as much doom as some
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Speaker 3: naysayers are predicting right now. So you know, when it
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Speaker 3: comes to labor guys, I'm always looking for like little signals,
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Speaker 3: and I don't know how much noise there's going to
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Speaker 3: be here, but this, to me is one of those
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Speaker 3: little signals, one of those little points of emphasis worth
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Speaker 3: looking at to try and interpret and figure out and
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Speaker 3: read the tea leaves as to where this whole thing's going.
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Speaker 4: Jeff, nobody knows. Nobody knows where this is going to go.
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Speaker 4: I like the positive people. Let's say we're not going
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Speaker 4: to have a labor stoppage. We've had a few of
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Speaker 4: them on and then we have some naysayers that say
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Speaker 4: we're going to be out for four years. So nobody knows.
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Speaker 4: It's one of those great mysteries of the universe, and
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Speaker 4: nobody understands.
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Speaker 3: Aja, I can tell you definitively, we're not going to
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Speaker 3: be missing multiple years.
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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't It doesn't behoove anyone. I think worst case
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Speaker 3: scenario in my head is back in June. Any missed games,
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Speaker 3: I think is a real problem. I do think there's
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Speaker 3: going to be lockout on December first. I do think
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Speaker 3: it's gonna go down the same path that it did
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Speaker 3: last time, where we're going to get to February and
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Speaker 3: spring training is.
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Speaker 2: Going to be closed down and everyone's going to be.
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Speaker 3: Like, oh, well, probably you should do something about this
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Speaker 3: and try and figure this out.
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Speaker 2: But this reminds me so much of nineteen.
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Speaker 3: Ninety four, and on my show this week, I talked
12:50
Speaker 3: with Tom Glavin for an hour plus just to remind
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Speaker 3: everybody of what nineteen ninety four was like. There's so
12:57
Speaker 3: much institutional knowledge that's been lost in the game.
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Speaker 2: There's so few people who are still remaining from.
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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety four that I think it's worth a history
13:06
Speaker 3: lesson to understand that when it comes to labor, guys,
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Speaker 3: the past always repeats itself. And so if there can
13:13
Speaker 3: be lessons learned to avoid what happened in nineteen ninety four,
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Speaker 3: that would be best for everyone, because the reality is
13:19
Speaker 3: all of us all we want is baseball. All we
13:22
Speaker 3: want is baseball on the field. All we want is
13:24
Speaker 3: this very healthy game that has had such a wonderful
13:28
Speaker 3: renaissance in the last half decade.
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Speaker 2: To continue on on debated agree.
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Speaker 4: That was my first professional season, Jeff nineteen ninety four,
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Speaker 4: so I remember it. I was in the Gulf Coast League.
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Speaker 4: They shut down baseball. I was like, oh we kept.
13:41
Speaker 4: We finished our season of like sixty games and fort
13:43
Speaker 4: myers and then I had to go get a job
13:46
Speaker 4: at a shoe store because I didn't have instructionally la years.
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Speaker 4: So I really appreciate that, guys.
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Speaker 2: I learned how to sell what was your signing bonus.
13:53
Speaker 4: It was like one hundred and fifty thousand, But that
13:55
Speaker 4: was nineteen ninety four, so that was like I thought
13:57
Speaker 4: I was rich as all get out, Jeff Man. I
13:59
Speaker 4: thought I was never gonna need to work again, and
14:01
Speaker 4: then all of the yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then and then you're just going down with stinky feet.
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Speaker 4: Oh, man, I sold the crap out of them shoes. Man,
14:08
Speaker 4: we worked on commission. I've told this story. If you
14:10
Speaker 4: had size eleven and we didn't have it. Oh, they
14:12
Speaker 4: run big or they run small, depending on which size
14:15
Speaker 4: we had. They were all from Brazil, man, they didn't
14:17
Speaker 4: they didn't care. They were shipping into relatives, taking them home,
14:19
Speaker 4: Take them all, kids, take them all.
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Speaker 3: But but anyways, fantastic today that they're still honest salesman
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Speaker 3: in this one.
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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, Jeff, exactly right exactly. Hey, just you could
14:31
Speaker 4: call me, you could call me an MLB on You know,
14:32
Speaker 4: I never know, Jeff, You just never know where it's
14:34
Speaker 4: gonna come from. Here. Here's so And by the way,
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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety five, I was also my first spring
14:40
Speaker 4: training with the replacement players, So I do remember all
14:44
Speaker 4: of that, and I remember what it was like I
14:46
Speaker 4: was never asked to cross the line. But in the
14:49
Speaker 4: minor league spring training that they had running at the
14:51
Speaker 4: same time, we had the big league coaches, and we
14:53
Speaker 4: had those guys like mixing in with us. And you
14:56
Speaker 4: had like a carpenter, an electrician that played two years
15:00
Speaker 4: as a college baseball and then you had Tom Kelly
15:02
Speaker 4: out there screaming at him to work on their pfps
15:05
Speaker 4: and you're like, wait, what is happening right, and they
15:08
Speaker 4: were staying with us in the minor league coach. The
15:10
Speaker 4: whole thing was surreal.
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Speaker 2: But that's like a movie.
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Speaker 3: It was.
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Speaker 4: It should be someone should have made a movie about
15:14
Speaker 4: that they had. I guess in football they should have.
15:16
Speaker 4: I guess they never played real games.
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Speaker 5: But no money.
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Speaker 4: Boll No, that's but let's get back to my real question, angels. Okay,
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Speaker 4: I want to go back to the trades because I
15:27
Speaker 4: love this stuff you have on here, Jose Soreon on
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Speaker 4: re demos. Would they really do that? I mean they
15:32
Speaker 4: have they finally have two guys that are pretty good
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Speaker 4: as pitchers. Now would they really train them? Because they
15:37
Speaker 4: both have years of control left, don't they?
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Speaker 2: They do?
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Speaker 3: They both have two years of control after this season
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Speaker 3: and I don't like doing this, aja, but I'm gonna
15:46
Speaker 3: do it anyway.
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Speaker 2: What else do they have?
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Speaker 4: Mike Trout?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike Trout's awesome. He's also in his thirties and.
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Speaker 2: Stop. I mean, here's the thing. Yeah, I listen, I
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Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Zach Metto is a really good player, and I think
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Speaker 3: the Angels have a bunch of okay guys to complement
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Speaker 3: those two starting pitchers Mike Traut and Zach Netto.
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Speaker 2: And frankly, it's just not enough. And how do we
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Speaker 2: know it's not enough?
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Speaker 3: Because we look at their record, because we look at
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Speaker 3: the way that they play, because we look at their
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Speaker 3: farm system and it's not good, and it doesn't have
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Speaker 3: a lot of guys who are near big league g
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Speaker 3: ready and going to be impact type players. So if
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Speaker 3: you're in that scenario and you're taking an objective look
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Speaker 3: at how do we get out of it? I'm not
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Speaker 3: the guy who's going to advocate for straight up tanking.
16:46
Speaker 3: I think that's a problematic thing in sports, period, and
16:50
Speaker 3: I think the draft bottery has done a really nice
16:52
Speaker 3: job of disincentivizing teams from doing that. But how if
16:56
Speaker 3: you're the Angels, do you not look at your current
16:58
Speaker 3: state of affairs and say we need to tear this
17:01
Speaker 3: thing down and start over. I If Arty Moreno is
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Speaker 3: not going to go out and spend, and it's almost
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Speaker 3: like Josh Hamilton scared him off of that with the
17:14
Speaker 3: five year, one hundred plus million dollar contract that had
17:18
Speaker 3: negative war by the end of it. If Ardi Moreno
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Speaker 3: is not going to go out and spend, this team's
17:22
Speaker 3: not going to be any better. I mean, they shopped
17:25
Speaker 3: in the bargain basement this offseason hoping to land a
17:28
Speaker 3: guy who could resurrect his career, and none of those
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Speaker 3: panned out. Now, they were low dollar signings, there was
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 5: Sink Hardy Moreno wouldn't let his GM trade show hey
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Speaker 5: at the end, So we're going from talking about a
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Speaker 5: owner slash team slash GM, who's the least aggressive? Who
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Speaker 5: do you think is the most aggressive in the GM,
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Speaker 5: because every team's going to say, oh, man, you know
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Speaker 5: our team's definitely going to add a big time closer. Well, no,
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Speaker 5: you're not, because your GM doesn't make those moves. Who
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Speaker 5: are the top three? I don't need one hundred gms.
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Speaker 5: I just need three most aggressive gms that you'll see
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Speaker 5: make moves whether their team is good or not.
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Speaker 3: AJ Preler is at the top of the list, obviously,
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Speaker 3: And I think the Padres deadline is going to be
19:38
Speaker 3: so fascinating this year because when you are in the
19:41
Speaker 3: same league as the Dodgers and the Braves and the
19:45
Speaker 3: Phillies and the Brewers, and like the National League is stacked, boys,
19:50
Speaker 3: it's an impressive group of teams. And if you're aj
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Speaker 3: Preler and you see the way that your offense is
19:55
Speaker 3: operated this year, and you look at the top of
19:58
Speaker 3: your rotation, go get Tarek's scouble. I think if Ethan
20:02
Speaker 3: Sallas is in a trade at very least Scott Harrison Detroit,
20:06
Speaker 3: the president of Baseball Operations there, has to listen because
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Speaker 3: he might potentially be the best prospect back it's offered.
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Speaker 3: But is it worth renting Tarek's Scooble for a team
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Speaker 3: like this, a team that has flaws, or do you
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Speaker 3: look at.
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Speaker 2: It and say, you know what the.
20:24
Speaker 3: Truth is, If we have Tarek scoobl if we have
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Speaker 3: Michael King, if we have this bullpen, we can go
20:30
Speaker 3: out and beat absolutely anybody.
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Speaker 2: And it's a fair and reasonable thing to say.
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Speaker 3: But the Padres have mortgaged their farm system so much
20:40
Speaker 3: in recent years, and they got Mason Miller out of
20:42
Speaker 3: it for later debrees.
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Speaker 2: So that wound up being a win win.
20:46
Speaker 3: But I just don't know if this is the Padres
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Speaker 3: team that's going to go out and chase other aggressive
20:52
Speaker 3: general managers. Eric Neander with Tampa Bay Rays is very
20:58
Speaker 3: much so. And the way that the Rays operate they
21:02
Speaker 3: do it in both directions, So I don't think this
21:05
Speaker 3: is going to be like a buy sell year try
21:07
Speaker 3: and do both for the Rays. But in years past,
21:10
Speaker 3: all the Rays are looking for is value. And then
21:14
Speaker 3: Dave Dombrowski, of course in Philadelphia. You know, last year
21:19
Speaker 3: John Deran looked like he was going to.
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Speaker 2: The Seattle Mariners.
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Speaker 3: The expectation was that was going to happen, and Dave
21:25
Speaker 3: don Browski comes in at the end and offers make
21:28
Speaker 3: able and Eduardo Tai and that was an offer of
21:30
Speaker 3: Minnesota couldn't refuse. And so if Byron Buckson, for example,
21:35
Speaker 3: gets out there on the trademarket, you know, Dave Don
21:37
Speaker 3: Browski will be the first call to Jeremy zol Gm
21:40
Speaker 3: in Minnesota looking to make a deal.
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Speaker 4: By the way, Jeff, I don't know if you know
21:44
Speaker 4: this what Trek School can't hit. So if the Padres
21:47
Speaker 4: get them, they're going to need somebody that can actually hit. Okay,
21:50
Speaker 4: you know what.
21:53
Speaker 3: You you are one hundred percent correct in the You know,
21:56
Speaker 3: Ramon Loreano being out is really problematic for then, but
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Speaker 3: Ramon Loreano was there in a deal that didn't cost
22:03
Speaker 3: them a whole lot at the deadline last year. So
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Speaker 3: I feel like you can get those sort of on
22:08
Speaker 3: the margin bats at the deadline because pitchers, you know, relievers,
22:14
Speaker 3: particularly in starters, are the real currency at the deadline.
22:18
Speaker 3: It's not quite as much the case with bats, just
22:21
Speaker 3: because you need to have a perfect fit positionally, and
22:24
Speaker 3: a lot of teams, especially contending teams, especially playoff teams,
22:28
Speaker 3: just don't match up necessarily with the inventory that's out there.
22:32
Speaker 3: So I think you can get good deals on position players.
22:37
Speaker 3: And those are the margins around AJ, around which AJ
22:40
Speaker 3: Preller does such a great job navigating.
22:43
Speaker 4: True. True, But if you don't have Tatis hitting, you
22:46
Speaker 4: don't have Chado hitting, you.
22:48
Speaker 3: Don't have anybody't have Meryl hitting.
22:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's gonna be so listen the Tigers, Hey, Trek Scoble,
22:56
Speaker 4: the Tigers had last couple of years and they haven't
22:58
Speaker 4: done very well. I mean, I know they beat the
22:59
Speaker 4: Guardian in the playoffs, they couldn't get best the Maritors.
23:02
Speaker 4: But for me, that's why the Brewers. And I almost
23:05
Speaker 4: I almost choked on my water when I was doing
23:07
Speaker 4: a Fox game with Ken Rosenthal and he said on
23:10
Speaker 4: the thing and they were playing the Dodgers. He said, well,
23:12
Speaker 4: Trek Scoogles might be on the trading block and one
23:14
Speaker 4: of these teams in this game might be one of
23:16
Speaker 4: the teams.
23:17
Speaker 5: They be the favorites.
23:18
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking Dodgers dodge and he goes the Brewers,
23:20
Speaker 4: and I was like, what, why want the Brewers make
23:24
Speaker 4: a move like that because they have eighty two long
23:26
Speaker 4: time ago, right, never won a World Series. You put
23:29
Speaker 4: Scooble miss Harrison together with the way their offense works,
23:33
Speaker 4: with that bullpen, the way Murph handles it, that sounds
23:35
Speaker 4: pretty damn good, even in a tough National League.
23:38
Speaker 2: It does.
23:39
Speaker 3: And it's just a question of how uncomfortable are the
23:43
Speaker 3: Brewers willing to get, because what we have to understand
23:46
Speaker 3: here is that the Milwaukee Brewers guys are in the
23:49
Speaker 3: position that they're in because they operate in a very
23:53
Speaker 3: particular and meticulous way.
23:56
Speaker 2: They are so good at process. When people ask me
24:00
Speaker 2: why are.
24:00
Speaker 3: The Brewers as good as they are, it's very simple.
24:04
Speaker 3: They have processes that they have honed through the years
24:08
Speaker 3: that they follow to a t and that had been
24:10
Speaker 3: very successful. And it reminds me a lot, frankly of
24:14
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Guardians and of the Tampa Bay Rays, and
24:17
Speaker 3: where the Brewers have supercharged it is, frankly in Latin America,
24:21
Speaker 3: and we've seen that with Jackson Curio, We're going to
24:24
Speaker 3: see it with Jesus.
24:24
Speaker 2: Made and Luis Pana.
24:27
Speaker 3: And if the Brewers get outside of that realm, it's
24:31
Speaker 3: just about risk taking. And this is an organization that's
24:34
Speaker 3: been extraordinarily risk averse over time and that believes in
24:39
Speaker 3: its evaluatory capacity that they can go out and find
24:43
Speaker 3: guys and turn them into something. And to me, like,
24:47
Speaker 3: when I look at that, and when I look at
24:49
Speaker 3: the success of their player development system, what it says
24:52
Speaker 3: to me is maybe the Brewers aren't always going to
24:54
Speaker 3: get it right, but they're going to get it right
24:56
Speaker 3: more often than most people. And because of that, that
24:59
Speaker 3: gives them the ability to go out and make a
25:02
Speaker 3: deal like this, which in the in the algorithm in
25:06
Speaker 3: their model is going to say no, no, no. The
25:09
Speaker 3: screen is going to flash bright red, the computer is
25:12
Speaker 3: going to turn off. When you turn it back on,
25:15
Speaker 3: it will say, don't do this, this is not good
25:17
Speaker 3: for us.
25:18
Speaker 2: But the truth is, what are we here for, man,
25:21
Speaker 2: We're here to win rings. And the Milwaukee Brewers, with
25:24
Speaker 2: Terrek's gooople Jacob Mazraski and Kyle Harrison at top of
25:27
Speaker 2: their rotation, have about it as good a chance of
25:30
Speaker 2: anyone outside of the Dodgers of winning a ring this year.
25:33
Speaker 4: Jeff, do you like piggybacking starters? I just have to ask,
25:35
Speaker 4: because I said it was a bad idency on these two,
25:38
Speaker 4: these two guys, I'm sitting around, well not really, but
25:41
Speaker 4: you know, on television say that they love the idea,
25:43
Speaker 4: So I just want to know you're feeling. Since we
25:44
Speaker 4: have a second here.
25:46
Speaker 3: I think piggybacking starter sucks, I miss, I know I
25:50
Speaker 3: liked you. Yeah, I knew I liked you, Jeff I.
25:53
Speaker 2: And and here's the thing. I it's a half measure.
25:57
Speaker 3: And you know, listen, if you ever watch Breaking Bad,
26:02
Speaker 3: you know half measures don't work. I think Louis Castillo
26:06
Speaker 3: would be a dynamic bullpen arm. And it's just a
26:11
Speaker 3: matter almost more psychologically at this point, guys, because you
26:14
Speaker 3: know how ball players are, and you know how pitchers are, especially,
26:18
Speaker 3: Their identities are wrapped up in their roles and you
26:22
Speaker 3: almost take on your personality, you know, in service of
26:26
Speaker 3: that role. And Louis Castillo his entire career has been
26:30
Speaker 3: a starting pitchers, So to suggest to him go to
26:32
Speaker 3: the bullpen, it almost to a starting pitcher, feels like
26:35
Speaker 3: a demotion. But the Mariners have five really good starting
26:40
Speaker 3: pitchers in Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Brian wu Emerson, Hancock,
26:44
Speaker 3: and Price Miller. Frankly, since he's been back, has been
26:46
Speaker 3: the best of them all, and Luis Castillo has not
26:49
Speaker 3: been that good this year. And so when you have
26:52
Speaker 3: a bullpen that's struggling a little bit, it just makes
26:55
Speaker 3: the most sense. I think that what the Mariners are doing, guys,
26:58
Speaker 3: is just buying time. They're buying time until we get
27:03
Speaker 3: to July, get to the All Star break, and then
27:06
Speaker 3: you're gonna you know, we're going to see Kate Anderson
27:08
Speaker 3: sooner than later. He's going to come up, and he's
27:10
Speaker 3: probably going to be in a very similar fireman type
27:14
Speaker 3: role there. And if you can have multi inning relievers
27:17
Speaker 3: who can still be effective and can punch guys out,
27:21
Speaker 3: like Luis Casillo's best stuff this year has come in
27:23
Speaker 3: that piggyback role, which suggests me that if.
27:26
Speaker 2: You do put him in the bullpen, we can see
27:28
Speaker 2: a better version of him than we have in the rotation.
27:31
Speaker 1: There you go, band Aid probably going to change second
27:34
Speaker 1: half of the season. I'm not going to run that
27:36
Speaker 1: the whole second half.
27:37
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm so excited. I don't just want to
27:40
Speaker 5: play Nintendo with Jeff all day.
27:41
Speaker 1: I talk about piggybacking. We were like, let's do six
27:44
Speaker 1: man if that's what they're going to do, And they're
27:46
Speaker 1: worried about Louise's feelings, but yes, Jeff is more to
27:49
Speaker 1: the point. Sorry, dude, you got cut. There's five others
27:52
Speaker 1: better than you. You're better in the bullpen. Life comes
27:56
Speaker 1: at you. Jeff, good stuff man. Great to have you
27:58
Speaker 1: on again for anyone. The latest episode, for sources tell
28:01
Speaker 1: Jeff Passon was with Tom Glavin, and we do plenty
28:04
Speaker 1: of CBA talk on this show, so I advise everyone
28:06
Speaker 1: to check out the back and forth with those two.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you man, great catching up
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Speaker 2: All this pleasure boys, Thanks for having me