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Ask Greg Cosell on Patreon: How Many Of Those Interceptions Were Actually Hurts' Fault? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The following is a shortened version of our Ask Greg
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it would just be disrespectful. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like if we didn't start with the quarterback, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna be the topic of discussion here. And you know, Greg,
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you my input and then I want to
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  Speaker 2: just go over the last play of the game. But
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  Speaker 2: in this game, it's wild. I mean, I thought Jalen
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  Speaker 2: made some uncharacteristically bad decisions, but also made maybe some
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  Speaker 2: of his best throws of the season in this game.
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  Speaker 2: So but going to the last play, it looked like
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  Speaker 2: he just made three consecutive wrong decisions. First and foremost,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like he should have gave the Barkley Khalil
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  Speaker 2: Mack baited him into it, and that should have been
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  Speaker 2: the handoff. And I feel like he predetermined before the
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  Speaker 2: snap where he was going to go with the football,
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  Speaker 2: because this is a play the Eagles ran against the Bears.
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  Speaker 2: Replaced Johan Dotson with DeVante Smith and they hit it
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  Speaker 2: in that game. And I feel like when he, you know,
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  Speaker 2: took the ball there, he was going to Dotson from
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the snap. And again you see cam
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  Speaker 2: Hart kind of bail off Goddard and it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: if you're not going to give the ball to Barkley,
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  Speaker 2: you have to throw the ball to Goddard there, And
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  Speaker 2: they almost baited him into throwing that ball to where
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  Speaker 2: he did. And again it's first down. The ball has
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  Speaker 2: to at least be you know, Dotson or nobody in
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  Speaker 2: that situation because of the down and distance. But three mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: I thought on that play. It was just characteristically of
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  Speaker 2: the game. And I figure, you know, if you want
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  Speaker 2: to talk talk about that play and overall, what you
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  Speaker 2: thought from Jalen and the game and hole the floor
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  Speaker 2: is heres, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think I probably saw it a little differently
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  Speaker 3: than you did, Frank. Now the part I agree one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent with there was two thirty five left in overtime.
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  Speaker 3: It was first and ten two timeouts. Time was not
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  Speaker 3: an issue at all. They called a play that they've
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  Speaker 3: run a thousand times. It's a staple. It's basically inside
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  Speaker 3: zone that has a zone red look and they want
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  Speaker 3: to hit Goddard in the flat. We've seen them run
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  Speaker 3: that play a thousand times. It's clearly a staple. Heart
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  Speaker 3: squeezed got it in the flat. So in Jalen's mind,
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  Speaker 3: the flat throw was not there. Now, the issue on
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  Speaker 3: the play, of course, was Mac. We can debate whether
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  Speaker 3: we should have handed it off. We don't well, we
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  Speaker 3: don't know and believe it or not. I've had this
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  Speaker 3: conversation with Greg Roman. I used. I asked him once
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  Speaker 3: about zone read versus is it just a play call?
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  Speaker 3: And he said it's both. So you don't know. So
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  Speaker 3: we don't know if this was a straight play call
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  Speaker 3: or whether it was truly a zone read and he
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  Speaker 3: had a decision. We don't know that, okay, or I
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  Speaker 3: don't feel I know that. You know the way it
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  Speaker 3: looked because Mac obviously did not crash inside, it looked like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: he should have handed it off, but we don't know.
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  Speaker 6: My question, because I figured everybody what go on hurts,
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  Speaker 6: was did Jordan Davis play hisself into a new contract
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  Speaker 6: because he looked like he played the great butt off
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  Speaker 6: yesterday that's money played.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought he played best gating the season overall
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  Speaker 3: because he had pass rush in this game. When he
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  Speaker 3: plays the run really well, we kind of expect that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because that's who he is and who he's been.
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  Speaker 3: But I thought he really showed both power and quickness
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  Speaker 3: as a pass rusher in this game. Maybe maybe he did.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we've discussed this before that they traded up
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  Speaker 3: to draft him at thirteen, and even Howie Roseman at
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  Speaker 3: the time said that if he doesn't turn into basically
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  Speaker 3: But I think Howie Roseman said at the time that
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  Speaker 3: if he doesn't turn into you know, basically a three
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  Speaker 3: say that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you know I mean and without saying but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he said that. But you don't trade up to that
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  Speaker 3: Again, you know that's my point. So so al it's
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  Speaker 7: Malata you've mentioned just isn't having nearly as goods of
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  Speaker 7: a season as in the past. And one thing I
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  Speaker 7: noticed is he just seems slow on some plays, almost
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  Speaker 7: like a big guy who's not an athlete like a
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  Speaker 7: lot is supposed to be.
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  Speaker 3: Have you noticed that, well? I think I would have
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  Speaker 3: noticed that, yes, And I'd also notice which is very
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  Speaker 3: surprising given a size that there are too many times
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  Speaker 3: this year and this is probably more a technique and
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  Speaker 3: a balance issue where he gets driven back and you
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't expect the guy that big to get driven back.
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  Speaker 3: My guess is, and I'm not an offensive line coach,
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  Speaker 3: but my guess is that that's a technique and balance
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  Speaker 3: issue more than the fact that he's not strong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I just remember one play, but I don't remember exactly.
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  Speaker 3: He's not had a season overall. I don't think where he.
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  Speaker 7: Was pulling, and it just looked like like, you know,
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  Speaker 7: a real slow guy pulling right.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Mark, I thought he was dealing with something.
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  Speaker 1: In training camp.
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  Speaker 5: We kind of noticed sometimes he would WinCE or grimace,
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  Speaker 5: but I haven't seen that since since.
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  Speaker 1: But it did feel like something was bothering training camp.
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  Speaker 1: But not sure. He's never been on the injury report
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  Speaker 1: or anything. Let's go to Travis.
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  Speaker 3: Travis, how are we doing? Greg good? There's something Jeff
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  Speaker 3: mentioned something about everybody was surprised about. So I'm waiting
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  Speaker 3: for somebody to ask me more about the offense and
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  Speaker 3: then well, then I can tell you what I think.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I want to talk about uh Saquon Sakon looked
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  Speaker 8: like he had a better game. He looked more like
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  Speaker 8: the Squon of last year than he has in any
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  Speaker 8: other game this year. I thought, and I'm wondering what
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  Speaker 8: was working for the run game. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 8: it didn't work great, and there was what I thought
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  Speaker 8: I saw. The trend was is when they started to
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  Speaker 8: run more outside zone is when got more production.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, in the first half their run game look
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  Speaker 3: as consistent and productive as it has all season, and
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  Speaker 3: it was almost all zone concepts. And you know what, Travis,
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  Speaker 3: It's funny how it works. When guys block people at
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  Speaker 3: the first level of the defense, Saquon can actually get
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  Speaker 3: to the second level of the defense. And boy, it
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  Speaker 3: looks a lot different when that happens, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Who question. It goes back to the defense again. There
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  Speaker 4: was a play in the first half early in the
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  Speaker 4: game where they did a short pass and the guy
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  Speaker 4: ran down the sideline and the short running back against
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  Speaker 4: his team.
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  Speaker 3: Now, what's going on there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well what
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  Speaker 3: happened is the whole route concept was to one side
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  Speaker 3: one side of the field and overload, and so the
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  Speaker 3: entire defense moved to that side. Because you don't have
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  Speaker 3: enough bodies and zone. You have to have people move
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  Speaker 3: to that side because they're flooding that side. And then
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  Speaker 3: it was a very late checkdown back to the side
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