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How the West Was NONE | The FINAL Summer House Recap with Jazmine Henley-Brown & Blue Telusma · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain Drops, listen, we kept our word.
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  Speaker 1: We are reluctantly because of course we were like, are
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  Speaker 1: we gonna watch another summer house reunion? Okay, aftermath, whatever
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  Speaker 1: you wanna call it, but listen. I'll say this much.
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  Speaker 1: I am glad I watched it because Blue and Jasmine
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  Speaker 1: I have this to say.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here under duress.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I got.
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  Speaker 2: Just continue, sir.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy I watched because I'm a mother lover Hubbard.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay needs the host Love Island.
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  Speaker 2: She needs the host reunion to Andy, you are so
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  Speaker 2: wants your job.
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  Speaker 1: No, let's get listen. We'll get it right into it.
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  Speaker 1: So this sort of like aftermath. I like to call
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  Speaker 1: it the Final fourth because it's sort of like the
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  Speaker 1: fourth episode of the reunion, but it's the final aftermath
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  Speaker 1: of where these people are in their lives. And it
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  Speaker 1: begins with Amanda and Lindsay and listen, Lindsey and we
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  Speaker 1: talked about this last week, ladies, how I was as
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  Speaker 1: a producer so curious why they left, Lindsey Shade telling
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  Speaker 1: Andy I learned nothing throughout this reunion. Now we know
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  Speaker 1: why because they flashed back to that, and we do
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  Speaker 1: see her talk to Lindsay. Starting with you, jas Man,
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  Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on Amanda and Lindsay's conversation, especially
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  Speaker 1: when Amanda, I'm sorry when Lindsay said the focus of
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  Speaker 1: the reunion was about pretty much U Wes and Sierra
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't about our friendship. So I want to
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  Speaker 1: address our friendship.
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  Speaker 4: Well, so a lot of the chatter about Lindsay. She
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  Speaker 4: got into some trouble on Threads because she was talking
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  Speaker 4: about how Amanda has been manipulated by West and so
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  Speaker 4: people are like, Bravo is trying to create this redemption
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  Speaker 4: arc for Amanda. Lindsay's a part of it. Now, Amanda
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  Speaker 4: having a redemption arc. I can't speak to that, but
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  Speaker 4: what I can say is Lindsay and Amanda have been
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  Speaker 4: working together for ten years now right we're on the
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  Speaker 4: ten season of Summerhouse. They've been in each other's lives
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  Speaker 4: for a really long time, and Lindsay even said to
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  Speaker 4: herself that they have like a sisterly relationship, so like
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  Speaker 4: at times they haven't gotten along, they've argued, but they're
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  Speaker 4: so friends at the end of it all who have
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  Speaker 4: shared in this unique experience over the course of ten years.
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  Speaker 4: So it isn't shocking to me that Lindsay still wants
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  Speaker 4: to be nice to Amanda. Like I feel like, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like people are like upset with Lindsay because of that,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, that makes sense to me, Like your
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  Speaker 4: friend did something shitty and shady, but like you're not
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  Speaker 4: gonna just stop being her friend. So I think Lindsay
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if she's trying to create a redemption
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  Speaker 4: arc for Amanda, but I do think that she wanted
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  Speaker 4: Amanda to come on and say more than what she
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  Speaker 4: said at the reunion for her own sake, because we
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  Speaker 4: didn't get anything out of Amanda at the reunion, and
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  Speaker 4: I don't really think we got much out of her
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  Speaker 4: here blob.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a really kind way of looking at it.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. I'm a Lindsay fan, and I
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  Speaker 2: think Lindsay's full of shit.
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  Speaker 5: Don't think friendship has anything to do with this actually,
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  Speaker 5: And there's a couple of lines that were like, oh no,
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  Speaker 5: this is not about French abt all got it. It
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  Speaker 5: was because Lindsay and Amanda were not always cool. Lindsay
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  Speaker 5: and Amanda only became cool when Lindsay went through a
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  Speaker 5: bunch of breakups and then Kyle was positioned as enemy
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  Speaker 5: number one. And as you can see is in the city,
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  Speaker 5: as you can see in summerhouses, you can see in
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  Speaker 5: this four part sequel watching Lindsay has a tick about
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  Speaker 5: men taking advantage of women and it's not personal, and
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  Speaker 5: it could be a stranger you've seen in the city,
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  Speaker 5: right And in the city she met a girl thirteen
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  Speaker 5: seconds ago and it's like, why are you moving across
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  Speaker 5: the country for him?
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  Speaker 2: Though, if he can put a ring on it, Lindsay's.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, whether she likes you or not, she don't like
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  Speaker 5: men taking advantage of women.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a tick for her.
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  Speaker 5: Right, So, Lindsay and Amanda's relationship, even though they've done
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  Speaker 5: for ten years didn't actually start until the Kyle Takedown
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  Speaker 5: started taking wing because beforehand it was a man. It
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  Speaker 5: was Amanda Page and all the popular girls actually enemies
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  Speaker 5: to Lindsay. They were always attacking Lindsay. Lindsay was a nemesis.
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  Speaker 5: She became a friend of me during the Kyle Takedown.
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  Speaker 5: My belief strongly because I watched it twice, y'all know,
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  Speaker 5: I got a little tick. My belief strongly is Lindsey.
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  Speaker 5: And she even said it in the the third reunion.
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  Speaker 5: You're fucking up our spinoff, bitch. That's the old I
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  Speaker 5: don't think Freshman got.
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  Speaker 2: Shit to do with this. Bitch.
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  Speaker 5: We just became friends ten minutes ago because you convinced
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  Speaker 5: me we were taking down Kyle starting spinoff. Why are
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  Speaker 5: you fucking up? It was giving very Chris Jenner. It
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  Speaker 5: was not giving all. I care about my friend. I
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  Speaker 5: want her redemption arch Liter. You don't give a fuck
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  Speaker 5: about manager destroct. She wants Amanda. She knows Amanda can't
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  Speaker 5: leave for in the city to.
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  Speaker 2: Succeed, but west King.
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  Speaker 5: That's why she said, and I quote and this is
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  Speaker 5: the moment I was like, oh, Lindsay, you crafty bitch.
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  Speaker 5: I love you she said, Amanda, you blew up your
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  Speaker 5: fucking life.
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  Speaker 1: You were winning.
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  Speaker 5: That's not about friendship, bitch, You're fucking up the program.
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  Speaker 2: We were winning. Pronouns matter, she said to you. But
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  Speaker 2: she may knows. Gema needs bottles, Gema needs diapers.
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  Speaker 5: Bitch, get rid of West so we can get She
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  Speaker 5: literally said, get rid of West so we can get
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  Speaker 5: back on track to the program's talk about the friendship.
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  Speaker 5: Lindsay wants her job, baby, And you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 5: not mad at it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not mad at it.
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  Speaker 3: I can agree with that pov as well.
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  Speaker 4: It's so funny how we can watch the exact same
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  Speaker 4: thing and come away with completely different life points of views.
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  Speaker 2: Though I've been engaged to Leo's, I think that's why
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at her like this. I know I know
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  Speaker 2: Leo's in particular.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and but that's that's the thing that I've always
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  Speaker 4: said about Lindsay, Like the show comes first for her.
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  Speaker 4: Like when I call Lindsey performative, she's putting on a
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  Speaker 4: performance because she wants to have a good show. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not a super fan of Lindsay, but I respect her position.
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  Speaker 4: She's a really good reality star. If she wants to
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  Speaker 4: stay a reality starr, So I one hundred percent agree
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  Speaker 4: with you that she is just like girl.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we are.
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  Speaker 4: Cool, and I don't like that this man did this
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  Speaker 4: to you. But don't fuck up this back because look
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  Speaker 4: at this fat ass crib that I'm living in. Look
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  Speaker 4: at my apartment, bitch.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, way amazing that.
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  Speaker 2: My first note like, oh, Lindzay's getting paid.
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  Speaker 1: New York. First of all, I love us for real, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Monk Marble the right.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, the waterfall islon the fact that the three of us,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, Rain John Ja, I know this.
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  Speaker 1: We don't talk to each other about the show before
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  Speaker 1: we do this, so you're catching this in real time.
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  Speaker 1: But the fact that the three of us walked away
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  Speaker 1: with the same thing, like Lindsey's crib, is like awesome
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  Speaker 1: for New York City crib and the marble in the
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  Speaker 1: space Juxtaposa gets Sierra Ship, Lindsay's.
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  Speaker 4: Rich, two bedrooms, her daughter has her own bedroom in
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  Speaker 4: her New York City park in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: Baby, No, no, it's not Texas. It's New York City.
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  Speaker 2: It's different.
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  Speaker 1: It's wild. Because listen, time for our shot of the
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  Speaker 1: day drinking game. Carlos saying, you know, I'm a first
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  Speaker 1: time watching the show.
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  Speaker 2: You're thirty seven episodes in how many times?
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  Speaker 1: So what I will say is I knew too when
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay made that comment you're winning. I was with Jazz
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning watching it, thinking like, oh, Lindsey's a
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  Speaker 1: good girl friend. Da da da da. But that soundbody
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  Speaker 1: that Blue said, I too walked away saying, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: bitch is like girl. This is about the show, and
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  Speaker 1: that to me makes sense as to what happened with West,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll get to in a second, but I want
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  Speaker 1: to get to Amanda because.
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  Speaker 6: I felt that Amanda was trying to at least be
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  Speaker 6: present and the reunion.
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  Speaker 1: I told you girls this before. I felt she was
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  Speaker 1: too prepped by her PR team. She gave absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 1: She left for an hour and she just wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: And this one she says she lost her help in
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  Speaker 1: her marriage and had to find herself again by hanging
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  Speaker 1: out with Wes, and that West brought that out of her,
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  Speaker 1: which I thought was so interesting, and to me, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's bullshit. I think it's the opposite. My opinion
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  Speaker 1: is I think Amanda went after West to Spike Kyle
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  Speaker 1: and I don't believe for a second that Amanda is
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  Speaker 1: innocent and West coming on to her and texting her
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  Speaker 1: and see, I said, no, I can't make it. I
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  Speaker 1: kept saying no to him, but he kept pursuing me
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  Speaker 1: in a group chat and I gave in.
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  Speaker 2: He pursued you in a group chat.
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  Speaker 1: That's not Yeah, I did not buy that. But Jazz,
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  Speaker 1: did you buy what Amanda was selling?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: But I think it's because we know at this point,
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  Speaker 4: like what Amanda is, as Blue pointed out to me,
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  Speaker 4: Amanda is what is it? A covert covert narcissist. So
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  Speaker 4: I was watching her tears and I was just like,
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  Speaker 4: m girl, I'm not You're not gonna you can't.
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  Speaker 3: Trick me, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: But I think to your point though about Wes making
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  Speaker 4: her feel young or something, I do believe that because West.
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  Speaker 3: Is for everything you can say about Wes. He likes
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  Speaker 3: to have a good time.
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  Speaker 4: So if she felt like she wasn't able to do that,
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  Speaker 4: which I don't know how she couldn't get that with
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  Speaker 4: Kyle because Kyle literally lives in the club. That's That's
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  Speaker 4: what her issue was with him, that he was always out.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm like, was it just because West has younger friends.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what that was about, but I don't
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  Speaker 4: I think she was telling the truth about like the
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  Speaker 4: way she felt, especially coming out of a relationship if
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  Speaker 4: in her words, she it was toxic, she didn't feel loved.
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  Speaker 4: And then this other god, this fresh guy is giving
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  Speaker 4: her some attention. So she was probably telling their truth.
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  Speaker 4: But was I buying it? Absolutely not?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I think she was telling the truth in the same
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  Speaker 5: way she she was telling the truth, but she said
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  Speaker 5: we have sex. Ass to the statement, which statement is.
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  Speaker 3: Half truths.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, true is a whole lie? Okay, Amanda the God,
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  Speaker 5: She's a case study. The thing about Amanda that is
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  Speaker 5: so interesting is I think, first of all, you left
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  Speaker 5: the reunion and then spent like two weeks in Italy
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  Speaker 5: West and his friends and family kissing him, eating noodles
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  Speaker 5: like the Lady in the Tramp, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then came back right, So this is a little rich.
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  Speaker 5: What I think is I think we were watching the
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  Speaker 5: battle of Lindsay and Old Amanda versus Lindsay and the
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  Speaker 5: real Amanda. The old Amanda, her and Lindsay had a
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  Speaker 5: kind of a Maya kopa where we've decided that We're
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  Speaker 5: gonna Takekyle down together and go into the sunset and
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  Speaker 5: are spinoff, and we're gonna be two girls in the
• 11:43
  Speaker 5: town right with our exes Kyle and Carl sometimes popping in.
• 11:47
  Speaker 5: That was the Vernon Shirley plan, right. Lindsey kept on saying,
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  Speaker 5: and I quote, so he manipulated you, And she's like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that. She's like, but I'm saying that
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  Speaker 5: Lindsay was trying to spoon seed her those lines because
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  Speaker 5: there's one part of Amanda's brain that understands Lindsay and
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: I have a great business model, and she is right,
• 12:05
  Speaker 5: we could go far with this if I have this
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  Speaker 5: redemption arc. But the other part is thinking about whatever
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  Speaker 5: happened after she ate the pasta in Italy with West
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  Speaker 5: and she still wants him. So you see her doing
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  Speaker 5: this thing where she's playing along with Lindsay a little
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  Speaker 5: bit like, yeah, you know, he pursued me. But as
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  Speaker 5: soon as Lindsay's like, so you're gonna leave him, right,
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  Speaker 5: she gets quiet again. She wants her KK eat it too.
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  Speaker 5: She even admitted it. She said, I wish I could
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  Speaker 5: fuck fuck Sierra. I wish I could have both. I
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  Speaker 5: wish I could have Sierra and West. Are you crazy?
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  Speaker 2: Are you mad?
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  Speaker 5: And what's nuts is the truth of her statement was
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  Speaker 5: when she said I felt young again. I think Kyle
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  Speaker 5: actually unintentionally cracked the case. He said, and you're standing
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  Speaker 5: over there with like the younger version of me. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think she was finding herself again.
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  Speaker 2: I think she.
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  Speaker 5: Found a newer, younger model, like Leonardo DiCaprio. I think
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  Speaker 5: Wes is cop baby Kyle, and she's like, this model
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  Speaker 5: has run its course.
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  Speaker 2: I've lost control of him.
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  Speaker 5: If I pivot to the new model, I get to
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  Speaker 5: be young and fresh and fix him the way I
• 13:02
  Speaker 5: fix Kyle, which is why she even said I told
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  Speaker 5: him we can't date unless you promised me. You're firstborn.
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  Speaker 5: We're gonna get married, we're gonna have babies, and we're
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  Speaker 5: gonna buy three houses. She's doing to him, literally a
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  Speaker 5: copy and paste of Kyle. I think in Amanda's mind
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  Speaker 5: she liked that Wes could be a younger Kyle. But
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  Speaker 5: also to your point, Jasmine, stick it to Kyle, because
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  Speaker 5: that's your homeboy. I'm replacing you with your friend. I
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  Speaker 5: think both her and Wes both wanted to stick it
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  Speaker 5: to Colin Sierra, which is why seeing Colin Sierra come together,
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of beautiful reckoning for me.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's really fascinating to watch because one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that even gagged Amanda was when Lindsay said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: Wes said you were obsessed with him and that you
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  Speaker 1: had a crush on him and that it was all you.
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  Speaker 1: And then that's when Amanda visibly looked shocked, like he
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: went against the script, and then she started to slightly
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: go against the script because us Blue. You mentioned, I
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: want to say in our last recap or the week
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: the one before that the timeline of the divorce separation
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: statement being released, which was on January seventeenth, but that
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  Speaker 1: two days later we learned in this special that on
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  Speaker 1: January nineteenth, No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry IM missed that up.
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  Speaker 1: Sierra saw Amanda be a location on the iPhone at
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  Speaker 1: West House on January seventeenth. Two days later is when
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  Speaker 1: Amanda released a statement along with Kyle. So I thought
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: about that moment and thought about what you said, and now,
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  Speaker 1: to me, you are right and validated in terms of
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  Speaker 1: she rushed that announcement because two days prior to that,
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Sierra found out you was hanging out with But.
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  Speaker 4: Did you guys clock that she tried to clean that
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  Speaker 4: up when she was like, we were over.
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  Speaker 3: There as a group. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: She even said, and here's the thing, you had three
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  Speaker 5: weeks in Italy to come up with this. In West
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  Speaker 5: and what you came up with this Tell them there
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  Speaker 5: was a group chat and you were so sad you
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: finally showed up to the function. And that's why there
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  Speaker 5: was a dot next to my house with your face
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  Speaker 5: on on Sierra's phone. The fact that you could tell
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  Speaker 5: the conversations that happened in Italy. I've been in Italy.
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  Speaker 5: There's plenty to do other than talking about Bravo. Right,
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  Speaker 5: y'all could have been in Naplesy in fresh pizzas and shit,
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  Speaker 5: look at the leaning tower of pizza, y'all sitting there
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  Speaker 5: scheming and conniving.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I honestly, I will say this, though, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to jump ahead.
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  Speaker 5: There was a moment during West and Kyle's conversation when
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  Speaker 5: and I think I wrote this in caplocks, and yes
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  Speaker 5: I did.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so fucking dramatic.
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  Speaker 5: In cap flocks, I wrote down, Oh my god, the
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  Speaker 5: scheme would have worked had they not been caught. Kyle
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  Speaker 5: is still falling for it. I do think that had
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  Speaker 5: they not been caught and been forced to rush love
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  Speaker 5: we talked about last week and this whole I'm so
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  Speaker 5: sad Wes has been my friends for three years.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of just happened a couple of months after
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  Speaker 2: the fact.
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  Speaker 5: They would have moved the timeline six months even further,
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  Speaker 5: because they've already moved into six months. They would have
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  Speaker 5: had in another six months to it been sympathetic, and
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  Speaker 5: we saw in Kyle's face when he talked to Wes.
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  Speaker 5: He was like, I love her, I will I'm not
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  Speaker 5: in love with her in one more I will always
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  Speaker 5: love her. And I loved you like a brother, like
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  Speaker 5: a friend, and now I'm torn because I want you
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  Speaker 5: both to be happy. But I don't that Kyle, with
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  Speaker 5: six more months would have fallen for it. The plan
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  Speaker 5: actually would have worked.
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  Speaker 2: I think they.
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  Speaker 5: Properly clocked their friends, they improperly clocked the audience, and
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  Speaker 5: Sierra's a private investigator.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if it worked, I actually took.
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  Speaker 2: The planet is better than we thought. I want to
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  Speaker 2: give them credit.
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  Speaker 4: Something that Amanda said that I just am I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to say I want her on TV because I
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: want to see how this plays out.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: But she said something I know that bad to say.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm on WES.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm pretty indifferent.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Right, I want her in another season in the Summer
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: House for sure, because I need to like see how
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: that plays. But in the City, I couldn't care less
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: about that. But she was saying that she has been
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: she's been with Kyle for ten years. So she was like,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: she hasn't dated since she was twenty four, right, she's
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: thirty four now.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: And Lindsey was like, why not do that now?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Like why not just be single in date? And Amanda
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: doesn't know how to not be in a relationship. But
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: since Amanda stopped dating so young, like, you know, your
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: twenties are for like having fun. I'll leave it at that. Okay,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: your twenties are for having fun dating. She's been with
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: this man since she was twenty four years old. Now
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: she's thirty four and she's in another relationship. When this
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: relationship with West fails, I am curious to see, like
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: what version of Amanda we will get if she's still
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: on TV, Like, is she gonna go boss to the
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: wall and like do all of the crazy stupid shit
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: that she should have done in her twenties, or like,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: what is she gonna be? Like, I'm actually curious about that,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: which might be unpopular.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not curiously because black women and white women go
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: to college for different reasons.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: We were just talking to my homegirls and I was
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: talking about this yesterday.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: I can go to college because we want to be amazing,
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: We want to make our family's proud, generational.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Wealth, all that good stuff.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: White girls a lot of times, particularly in places where
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Amanda is from, like New England and Old New York
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: are very similar, right, and Amanda comes from a family
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: that has money. The thought is they call it the
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: missrus degree, the r R.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: So she I think, I'm.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I never heard of that. What does that mean?
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: The ruse? That's what I went to college for.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they think you're.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Conservative, right, because the m rs girlies, honey, they go
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: to college.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: You're not supposed to bring that up, right, No, no, no,
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: no, no no no.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: No it's not no, it's not That's.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Why people think it's not what I am.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: She's not said my word. I have the Cuban tongue
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I talk. I said, that's why they think you're conservative.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: But no, but seriously right, Because when you see someone
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: like Jasmine who looks like she pays her taxes on time,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: has a nice quath, did her baby hairs, You're thinking, Oh,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: you're going to college, You're gonna get you a letterman's
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: jacket and a husband. Right, My dumb ass is like,
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: I want to rule the world like I'm not thinking
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: about a nigga like that.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to have a whole phase and have me
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: some fun.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: I think Amanda is the Mrs Degree girl who her
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: saying twenty four she was gonna always want a man
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: of twenty four. She happened to get her big fish
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: on TV. I think for her, she's going to always
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: want to have a project to fix and to dominate
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: and to be sympathetic. And now she has added incentive
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: of being addicted to the attention. I don't think Amanda
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: wants to be a whole I think Amanda wants to
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: be a part of a lineup on Bravo and will
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: constantly like chat and what's that man's name? There's one
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: man from Southern Charm, the one who was in Page
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: who flows around every show. Yes, Craig feels like he's
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: gonna show up on every top type of show child
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: anywhere you invite Craig, He's showing up a black Piper
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: round opening.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: He's showing up right.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: I think a man is like Craig, where she will
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: show up where ever Bravo will have her, and if
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: there's a man attached, because she knows that whenever she's
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: with a man, people are really interested in that. More
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: for the course, I think she's gonna be with Wes
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: until West gets rid of her. There's a zero percent
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: chance of her leaving him. He even said to Kyle,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I kept on saying, are you sure you want to
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: do this so soon after and she kept reiterating that no,
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: she wants to do this. I believe West, broken clock,
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: I believe West. When he looked at Kyle like man,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: I thought about that, you need a breather in between relationships,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: and she was like, now let's do it.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I do believe that to breathe. I actually believe it
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: because you've seen how persistent she is. She will nag
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and nag, but she will yeah.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Yep, yep, and that's low key. That's how she got Kyle.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: She just kept coming around, kept coming around, until Kyle
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: was like, okay. But since West is now allegedly persona
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: non grata at Bravo, he's allegedly fired from the show,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: do you think that Amanda? Do you think the appeal
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: is still there for Amanda because you said she wants
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: to be.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: A part of the lineup on.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I could do.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I just started watching the show. But yet, no, she
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: is not averid.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, listen a moment's silence for my pain. I just
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: started watching you motherfuckers, and and and I don't get
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to see the ending of this destructive relationship that that
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was not going to last is not going to last.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: And the thing is West was listen, I'll give Wes this, oh,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and don't jump me. Wes looked cute in this little recap.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Saying this, because I was thinking, and I was like,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm never going to say this should all?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: But I was like, I'm I can I saw. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: never thought we was ugly, y'all. I'm from Boston. West
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: men about almost called the N word. Men who looked
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: like West do very well in them circles. But I
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: never thought he was ly.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I never thought he was cute. I was like, you
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: get all these bad bitches. But what the Rick Ross
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is going on here?
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: Rick?
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: I did a stud who looks at acts like West,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: so I immediately understood white biracial shout out to Sam
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: from DCY.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Like white girl. No, she literally looked like West.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: She was a blonde like you know, golden retriever who
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: kept on sticking her stuff and everybody and then putting.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It back in her backpack.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm done. I got I'm done.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: You asked a question.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I just okay. Thanks for the visual, Beyonce. I thought
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: West I was watching like this, oh and I kept
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh look girls, no shame. I said, this
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: is so bad. Give a fuck, girls, I said, I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I can't like like like Amanda.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I literally mixed Sierra. I get it, Siara, miha, I
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: get all of it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I at it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: You look good, and you know, I think Kyle is
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the most gorgeous thing. Kyle looked like it wasn't. It
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't getting me, kend Doll. I was Wes, you know
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: what it is, which is so bad, girls, But we're
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: gonna be honest and trust me, I'm the nice guy.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So I hate saying this because this is my category.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Because Wes had that little bad boy swag.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Oh y'all don't understand the way that this works with
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: men and studs is that what you do is you're
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: disheveled on purpose. I have a master's in this. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: have a mrs and this. So what happens is they
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: come to you like a little way where dog, I
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: just want tom married to hug me and rub my belly,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, I'll take you in, poor puppy,
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: and then you start feeding it, and then you feel
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: bad for because it's gruffy, and next thing you know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: your pants are gone.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It happens very quickly.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: No, seriously, it's a very endearing way to get women,
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: and it works because it goes from pity to entrigue
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: to I can fix you to oh my god, only
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: you understand me. Even Sierra said he was my best friend.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: That is the language of a woman who's been groomed
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: by a fuck boy. We're all their best friends. We're
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: all their best.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Friends, and we need to get into that because.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: My y'all, like, I'm the one who's been through this.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Can y'all just tell me that you've been through this too?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: No, because we discussed this in the last three capsoys, okay.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: We've been here before.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I said, there's there's men in my past that if
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: they come out and say no, they haven't right like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: they could come out and be I'm like, I don't
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: know that man, never seen him, never met him.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I was married. Now, that's the thing.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Everything in the words of Drea.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: In the gay community, you know this blue, there's tons
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: of boys.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know him. I don't know her child.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I had to get rid of one two years ago. Anyway.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So one of the things, anyways, one of the things
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I was to talk about was Lindsay. First of all,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I felt like Lindsay was there to humble Amanda and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to be like, bitch, snap out of bit.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: You fucking up our career from West it was I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: can't see that. It was very.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It was. It actually was. So she tells Amanda that
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Wes called me how today on the phone and said
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: they had sex in March while y'all were together in February.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So guess what that means. He already cheated on you.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: She said that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: But Amanda is never gonna give the reaction that we
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: want in that Lindsay want, because Amanda has dug her
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: heels in like they have been found out. They have
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: to stick together. We keep using the same analogy. Your
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: mother hates your boyfriend, Mom, I'm in love with him.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick beside him. You can hate him, I'm
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: gonna love him him. Okay, that's that's Amanda in West
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: right now. So Lindsay like clocking that and being like, oh,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: he slept with me, how and you in the same month.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: He already cheated on you.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Amanda was never gonna give her more of a reaction
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: than she gave her because she doesn't want to show like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, he's already making a full of me. Like
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: he's already making a full out of me. She was
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: never gonna give anything.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: She doesn't want us to win. I think the word
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: of the I circled it. I said the word of
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: episode four was who's winning?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Everybody?
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: Fuck feelings, fuck relationships, fuck love even we all care
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: about who is winning. Lindsay wants to win the ratings.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Amanda wants to win on the top of all the
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: other pigmies who have tried and failed, Like, look, you
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: don't understand nobody could get Kyle to settle down.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Look I did it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm the f boy whisperer. This is two point zero.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: So Amanda wants to always be the queen of the pigmies.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: So she's trying to win against every woman who's ever
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: slept with West before her. Right, Lindsay is saying, but
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: he's a fuck boy. His penis is small and he cheated.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: She said, but that's my small penis, fuck boy, damn it. Okay,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: it's mine.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Remember that God the episode when Bill Cosa said who
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: brought him? He's mine? Right?
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: And so Amanda will go down with the ship. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: have no interest in pondering is she gonna leave him?
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: She's not right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: What's would have to get a restraining order, and even
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: then she might cross through a window. Right, Kyle breaks
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: my heart because Kyle is a different kind of golden retriever.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: He's the older model. Even seeing him in West together,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: I said, oh my god, if Amanda was Leonardo DiCaprio, sudden,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: this all makes sense. You're looking at your old work
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: who's getting gray hairs now and not as fast, and
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: you're looking at this new young buck that you can
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: ride into the sunset.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: This is so obvious. If the genders room were completely reversed, and.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Then we see Sierra and Mehi, And the thing I
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: will say about those two girls is those are the
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: kind of women that Wes.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Likes to break, would never settle down with.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: And I think Sierra ate when she said if he
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: does settle down, it will be with a woman like
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: you who has no voice and simply wants to win
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: and have him. I think Sierra's prophecy is coming true
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: before our eyes as we're watching part.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Four, No, and even Sierra admitting that secret sex is hot,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'll say this, watching Sierra,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I saw a different side of her that I was like, Oh,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I now understand how you fell into the trappings of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a fuck boy, which we've all had, right so it's
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: no shade to her. But I remember telling you Jazz
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: that I think she's gorgeous, and it was something about
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: her lack of confidence that I saw without the glitz
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and the glamo, that reunion and all of that stuff,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that seeing her her natural habitat in that moment, I said, Oh,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you remind Wes is the white Stebe j Yes to
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: my White listener Stevie Jason. Love and hip hop and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: he brought a woman's pregnancy test that she peeved on
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: earlier in the day and showed it to her and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: feel without her Hey Jocelyne. Okay, So anyways, stebe J
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: said to me before that men can spot a woman
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: who has daddy issues or who is it as confident
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and they play in those tropes. And seeing Sierra at
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: home because once again drink time, I just thought of
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: watching the show. So I'm seeing who Sierra is without
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the reunion glam. They're actually taking shots. I love it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I saw like normal Sierra, and I said, oh, Wes, Wes.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Wes knows what he's doing. He knows how to get
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: these type of girls you're describing to mi Ha and you. Unfortunately,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Sierra were one of those girls, and Amanda is one
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: thousand percent one of those girls. Mih is literally one
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: of those girls. And it all made sense to me
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: in that very moment.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: He had me at the house waiting on him while
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: he was planting seats with Amanda and giving long, lingering
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: hugs to Sierra, and all three of them liked how
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: secret it was. Well, Sierra says, secret sex to sexyem
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: until somebody fucks your boyfriend. Right, you're at your friend's
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: best friend's ex boyfriend. They are correct when you are
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: dating a golden retriever slash. Oh my god, he's so wounded.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: I can change nobody else can, just me and my
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: magical Puss. Part of the appeal is the privacy. We
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: could be in the same room, but nobody knows, the
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: deep soul question conversation we had about your father last
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: night that had you crying in my arms. I just
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: don't know you're doing it with another girl two weeks
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: from now, right, I think it's our special thing, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: so I think this capsule of not sincerity, this capsule
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: of intimacy, felt intimacy that Wes creates.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: We even saw him created with Kyle.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Even after West has been caught and we all know
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: what's up, we're watching him. It's so natural to him.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: He sat with Kyle and within fifteen minutes, Kyle's like, man,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: I don't even know how to feel right now. You
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: keep looking into my uns and if I want to
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: hug you like he he is a siren. Right, Amanda's
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: a sucubist and he is a siren. They actually liked
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: them together because they deserve each other just keep me
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: getting each other miserable for the rest of your lives.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Even when Kyle and West were sitting there, even I
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: was like, is it me or doesn't seem like Kyle
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: is gonna bless this? Like it felt like Kyle was
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: going to give his blessed would have worked.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, Kyle was sitting there.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: He sounded like Amanda's father or her big brother. He
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: did not sound like her ex husband. But also rewinding back,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: when West walked into Kyle's house and the dog was
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: right there and Kyle goes, have you been here before?
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: And Wes is like no, And Kyle's like, are you
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: sure about that? And the dog just new West.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: I was like, she's acting like she knows you. I
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: caught that you jazz, Yeah, y'all are dog is acting
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: like she knows.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: You a mess I've missed that part. Damn.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: It was literally when when West walked in, he put
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: his hand out to the dog. Kyle goes, have you
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: been here before? And West was like nope. Kyle was like,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: are you sure about that?
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not buying.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: That's when I was drooling. When West walked in. I
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: was on my computer, Typh.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: You were feeling his jeans with his bigug a pill.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Carlos, you're showing how this works too.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: When they're a scruffy dog, any cleanup makes them look
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: attractive all of a sudden the bar so that all
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: it takes to some ivory soap and a little bolderant
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, is that James Bond?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: No, because what have you been saying? He looks like
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: he doesn't shower. You saw him looking freshly.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: He just showered, Carlos, look at you, You're right in
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the face.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Because but that's why I love the thing. Listen. Always
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: tell people this reality TV is nothing but the master
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: class in psychology. It's it really is about human behavior,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and the reason why it's such a big genre is
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: because we can all definitely see moments of ourselves in
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: these people or people we know, and that's why it's relatable. Yes,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: West looked good as fuck.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, not good as fuck.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: From Italy.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I I was looking at the beard and I'm like,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: then the GRAMA had with the matching jacket, I'm like, yeah,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm like meha, I understand. You're on the
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: phone with this motherfucker for six hours after the reunion
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: excuse me. Even Sarah Gattin said.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I thought I was dumb, but you like bitch, you
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: like Sierra's.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Which I believe. I believe Sarah's like I'm off the train,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and I do. I believe wholeheartedly. She will never, ever, ever,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: even so much following him on Instagram like they're done
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives. I think she looked
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: at me, how like, oh, bit, you stupid. Six hours
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: after I called you in my dressing room after reunion,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you mean to tell me we're dragging this motherfucker? You
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: hang up. Two hours later he calls you and you go, hey,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: chilling nothing?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: What did mean?
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: First of all, you, saund just like that you were
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: a bird? What that came a little that came a
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: little too easy.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Carlos, I dated a brother, okay, because.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: That's a bird behavior that you stepped.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: And here this is this is how much of a
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: message I am.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I'm over here like, yeah, do more. I get it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I have to stop.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: You're showing the bird wings feather stopped. Okay, this is
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: Kingdom Right Entertainment. I'm like, Lindsey Man, just come back
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: to the program.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I am lisdy, carl come on, does that does that
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: make that jazz.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Is Kyle, I'm rooting for you.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Just rooting. I'm rooting for all of you. I don't
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: know how I should feel right now.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I feel I'm just gonna cry and go drink a
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: lover boy.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: But lady, ladies, explain to me, and this is why
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I love again. We talked about a psychology of these people.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Explain to me how a woman who just got played
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: was on the phone with the other woman who got played.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Y'all are bonding over trauma of being played. The bad
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: boy in question calls you after the reunion and you
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: stay on the phone with him for six hours. I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: need to understand, ladies, the psychology behind that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: It's like a bonding experience.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: And let me tell you that I have done this
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: more times than I am proud to admit. Yes, one
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: of my closest friends to this day we met because
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: we were beefing over a guy back in the day
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: that day, Okay, and now that's my girl, right, so
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: likes it brings women together. Unfortunately, right, like, we literally
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: have never like talked about or like thought about that
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: guy in like over almost probably twenty years, right or
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: fifteen years. But it does bring women together. So Mihi
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: and Sierra sitting down. At first, I was like, this
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: is so lame, and then I had to be like, bitch, you,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: it's only lame because you feel like you're above it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Now you've literally been that, You've literally done that. Stop
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: being so judgmental. I was judging it because I saw myself.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I know that's how you got.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: They're bound of self reflection you can have by being
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: married and saying that because I would have lied, I'm like,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: I don't know what they're talking about married, So no, honestly,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: you know what it is. And I love how they
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: had the proper language. They said, we're trauma bonding, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: that's the accurate. People misuse this what all the time.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: By the way, trauma bonding does not mean you went
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: to the bathroom and you and a stranger are bonding
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: over having bad access. You just two unlucky bitches, right.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Trauma bonding, by definition, is we're bonding over a trauma
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: that we either made each other experience or that we
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: experienced together. So they actually are bonding over trauma. And
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: women do this not because they're lame, even though it's
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: easy to think that it's because when you're being gas lit,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: it takes someone else saying it happened to me too
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: for you to recognize you didn't make it up. So
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: it's almost like perception, like, oh, if it happened to her,
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: that means it also happened to me. So when you
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: are with the situation where you're being gas lit, hearing
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: another woman say you're working like, oh, so I'm not nuts,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: somebody else thought this. Somebody else who didn't even know
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: me thought this. Somebody else who wasn't even involved with me,
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: who doesn't have any incentive to life for me, also
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: experienced the same thing. So it's a way of stabilizing psychologically.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: So it actually is really healthy when women do this.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: I will say this though, as far as me have
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: been on the phone with them for six hours. Listen
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: to the chronologic of this. Wes said you won, which
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: means he's stroking you again, right, He's saying, oh, you won.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: He put the tip in yeah, Because what happens when
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: you say somebody one is you're bigging them up like
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: you got me, I see you, you got me? And
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: what does Sierra say that Wes always does to destabilize you.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: He makes you feel as if he doesn't see you.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: For you to surmise that I have won, that means
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: you not only see me, you admire whatever maneuvering I've
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: done socially. Right, So first he says they won, I
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: mean you won. Then a couple of days go by,
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: she says, Then they get on the phone and they
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: start talking, and she's thinking, he's back to being the
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: dog who's eating out of my hand because I won.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: I'm back to being the master. He's back to being
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: the disheveled puppy.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: It makes her think that she's back in power the
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: whole time he's playing her. And even when Sierra says,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: how did you stay on the phone with them for
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: six hours, she says, well, we have to be on
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: the phone because since Amando, we can only talk on
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: the phone now, which means he's already positioned Amanda as
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: an albatross and them as allies. This motherfucker is brilliant.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: That you won was not him conceding. It was him
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: setting a new trap for her, and it worked.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Which is why I don't believe as a small penis
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: because I don't understand.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: No, it's usually the ones with the small puss who
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: do the best you have to out of necessity.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Because when they wake up from this, they're gonna be like,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I let him do that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: And he didn't even have a you know what I'm saying,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: So he couldn't.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Find the whole of the guy who did it to me? Child,
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: He didn't know where he was going. Like, it's usually
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: men who are not great at sex who are great
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: at this.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Dropped two weeks ago.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Yes, and what did they say about that celebrity that
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: we won't mention that he must be an eater?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: We all know that you compensate.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Blind people can have impeccable taste and smell and other senses.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Right, if you suck at one thing, you have to
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: be exceptional in other Look at Jasmine's face.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Because I'm drawing a blank. Okay, please thank you, because
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: I'm like, which celebrity is this?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Oh? Really, thank you?
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: We don't want to look right now.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah I.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Did. I did that.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Just that came in with both fit.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: In the palm of his hand, and he had money
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: left over for.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: His k He's this age and that's how they become
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: so charming, Like you have to have to gap.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it was wild to me, and even the
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: whole thing about West not being on the show anymore,
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: I do want unpack that, because you too brought up
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: something earlier that I want to get.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Back to, which is was this special really for Amanda
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to be seen differently, to Save in the City, rite
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the spin off and in order for that to happen.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Do you think the powers that be thought this cannot
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: happen without Wes being gone from the show because there's
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: so many female viewers and we saw with Sandoval on
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Van der Pum Rules that scandal sadly ended that show.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think that Wes got fired or do you
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: think Wes was like, I don't need this shit and
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I'm out.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Wes will never just walk away from TV.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: Everything that we know about Wes, I mean, I don't
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: know him personally, so I can't say that definitively, but
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: he does not seem like the type of person that
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: will willingly walk away from an opportunity to be on
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: people's minds and have people watching him. So absolutely, I
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: don't think West walked away. The rumor is he tried
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: to get Carl, Lindsay and Kyle fired from Summerhouse, so
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: him and Amanda could just stand, you know, at the
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: forefront of everything, and that's why he got fired. I
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: don't know all of this. Bravo has not come out
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: to confirm any of this. I don't think Wes has
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: confirmed any of this, so I don't know if this
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: is one hundred percent true, but everybody has picked it up,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: so I'm inclined to just kind of go with it
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: at this point. But like, that's the rumors that he
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: tried to get the OG's fired and that's why they
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: canned him. The other people have been saying it's because
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: he was like trying to discourage people from watching this
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: part four on his podcast into that. I say, you
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: guys hate Wes, so you're you're purposely trying not to
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: get the joke that he was making. He was just saying,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: like he hopes the Knicks has another game so that
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: people will be more interested in the Knicks winning than
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: like him. You know what I'm saying, like still trying
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: to gravel because of this scandal. It was clearly a joke,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: So I don't think that's why Bravo fired him, But
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: who knows at this point, who knows?
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: No, no jas nail that I totally agree that it's
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: not in his DNA to not want to be seen.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Even when a man that ran off crying for an hour,
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: he said, is it my line?
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Like, is it my turn?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: That man know is not trying to leave the camera.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: I you know what's tricky is I believe West has
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: been fired as of right now. I also believe that
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Bravo is showing their hand that they're heavily invested in
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: online chatter in a way I've never seen before.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And oh, yes, they are not to cut you off.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I promise you they are, which I.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Don't like though unprecedents and I've been watching Bravo from
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: the beginning. This is an extra They must have new staff.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: This is an extra layer of pressed that I've never
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: seen them have. And I think that's part of why
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: we got part four. It wasn't just the protective franchise.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: I think whoever is pressed about Twitter and TikTok and
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: threads and Instagram is also like, oh, we have to
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: have a part four to address all the stuff they're
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: saying on the block. So I think number one it
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: was somebody a Bravo cares too damn much and wanted
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: to respond to us directly, because half of those conversations
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: felt like I respond Even Threads got a shout out.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: What did Sierra say?
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: She said, my mom had to text me, Sierra, You're
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: done on Threads And I was like, no, I'm just
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: getting started. And she was like, no, you're done. So
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: I was like, well, then I'm gonna have to block
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: you so I can do what I need to do.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: I need to do these cartwheels, right. Like the fact
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: that Threads is getting shout outs shows you how pressed
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: they are. I think they're trying to protect whoever's ego
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: is attached to the audience. They're also trying to protect
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Summer House because you think about it. Having Me how
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: and Sierra talk makes Sierra feel better about coming back
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: for that one more season. Having Lindsay and Amanda talk
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: means that both Summer House and In the City have
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: a story arc, right, and then having and Kyle talk
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: almost feels like, Okay, well, now that Kyle has resolved
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: his storyline, whatever he does next on In the City
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: or Summer House, we now can move on. It felt
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: like they are trying to keep all the franchises afloat,
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: and they knew they had to get rid of West,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: because I do believe that the rumor that Sierra was like,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: I'm never talking to him because Sierra's disdained.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: You can taste it through the screen. Yes, there's no lawyer,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: there's no Nda.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: There's no amount of zeros that can get an Earth
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: signment's foot off your neck. Once you have ever fucked up,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: Sierra will hate this man to the death. Okay, I'm
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: a tourist, I understand, right, and so I think it's
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: doing a lot of things that once. My only point
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: of contention is I worry about the safety of whoever
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: returns to Summerhouse because this season was not safe for Sierra.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: In retrospect, I fear that the season.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: That's coming up won't be safe for a lot of people,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: depending on what story Bravo decides to invest in the edit.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: People who are fan faes, who are not a story,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: who are more B and C story, might be collateral
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: damage in ways they're not expecting. And the one thing
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Bravo needs to remember is this is probably the one
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: group on Bravo, even more than Atlanta Housewives, that are
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: real friends in real life. This is the most authentic
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: friend group on the whole network right now, which means
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: the things you could do in other franchises, there's gonna
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: be a ripple effect that's going to be too emotional.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Guess what was the group that was that was even
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: more invested vander Pump.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: When they're real.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Friends, you can't produce your calls. You know about this,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: You can't produce it maneuver in the same way because
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: they take it home with them because they're real friends.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen the distruction of vander Pum rules because I
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: watched that entire season due to scandabal And were you
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: new there too? No? No, yes, you only come from the
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: mess Carlos. No have we met? Hey, nice to beat you. Yes.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I watched like the first two seasons and I fell
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: off the grid. Scandalma happened. I'm tuned back in. I
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: remember watching it and what's the damn? This is so
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: fucked up? Out of mind? No me. She was the
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: face of the show before Areanna got cheated on.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: La La La La. Yeah, that's.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sina deserves better.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: She was always decided I always the show when Lana
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: when she said and I will never get this line,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: she im like she's bet because she got cheated all like, bitch,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: are you kidding me?
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Like so, I have never met a woman who gets
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: cheated on and then gets treated like she's God.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: That's what she did.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: A lie.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: No, that was all facts. And I'm as you and
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: a producer, and I remember watching you guys thinking to myself,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: y'all are going to ruin this show because La La
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: LA's saying is we have lost the plot. The reason
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: why people love VPR was because we were real friends,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: real issues. We followed each other and we literally bled
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: for the audience. We gave them everything. And I think
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: when ari Yanna drank the kool aid, she definitely felt like,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I ain't gotta do shit. Bitch's my show now, and
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the other people around hers the kind of way. So
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: to your point with Summer House, listen, they're real friends.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: You can't play with them the same way.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: And and and that's why for me, I think what's
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: dangerous is when there's ultimatums. But I'm not gonna do that,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and it's sort of like and that's why. Look, I'm
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: not here too to tell Sierra what to do.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: My only thing for Sierra that I would say as
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: a producer, because I've trust me, I've seen I've seen
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: it all. I've seen women on top of the world
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: crash and burn, right, I've seen women have big momentums
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: after a chinging scandal, crash and burn. So my only
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: thing for Sierra that I would implore her is I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: do hope she did not give an ultimatum. Turns out
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I won't film with him because I'm gonna tell you
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: there's two different things. There's a difference between I won't
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: speak to him versus I won't film with him. And
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I think the mistake that Arianna made was her and
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Town were still living in the same house. Like girl,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: we can't get nothing from y'all too, y'all actually live
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: in the same house. And I believe as a producer
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: who has been given ultimatums, I know that once you're
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: in it, you have no choice. But Kim and Nini,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: for example, I ain't fiking that bitch. You can't help
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: yourself once you're in it. And yes, that's different as
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: friends not lovers. But I just don't want Sierra or
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: any of these people to lose multiple opportunities because of ultimatums.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: And That's where my mind went too when this West
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: thing came out, Like if it was because Sierra said
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: she didn't want to film with him, I don't think
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: any one person on an ensemble cash should have that
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: much power. Like at the end of the day, this
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: is not a show about one singular person. Like, yes,
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: you guys are gonna have the biggest storyline going into
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: the season, but this is a show about a.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Group of people.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: So to your point, Carlos, yes, if you said, I'll film,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: but I don't want to talk to him, I don't
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: want to have any conversations with him. Please don't make me,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: don't force us to have any sit down or anything
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: like that. I could live with that. But if you
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: were saying I won't film with him, and then if
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Bravo conceded to that, I don't like that. I don't
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: like that because the network has to remember they're in charge.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I have a question, and this question is very nuanced.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: So the point I agree with both of you right
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: for Sierra, very specifically, and this is not me caping
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: for to me understanding the difference between the ultimatum versus
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: a mental health boundary. When the New York Times article
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: came out. It caused Sierra to get hate mail, death
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: threats and caused her psychological trauma.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: She was the New York.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Times article when West basically came out and said I
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: never really wanted her.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: They overinflated the relationship. Why am I? She's not my person?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: So he denounced her in the Times.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Paul Paul blew.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Because you're probably wondering, Carlos, how the fuck did they
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: end up back talking again?
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: How did she end up almost following for it again?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: After he went to the New York Times and sought
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: the world.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: We're not each other's person.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not into it like that, and you still ended
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: up so because the girls want us to email when
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: I'm like, how do we even get back here? You
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: shouldn't You should not have been talking to him again
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: period after that.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: But pause, though, no, no, no, this is actually your point.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: This is what you're saying is actually why I'm disagreeing
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: with you, and cross this point on this point, right.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: She did what y'all said, though the way it got
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: back was she said I won't speak to him, but
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: I will film with him. So she's already given y'all that. Ah,
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: So now that I already got clowned in the fucking
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: times with getting death threats, and I ate crow let
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: him be around me, and him being around me made
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: me even more fucking unsafe. Now I'm wall sliding outside
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: and sobbing in the streets. I don't have shit left
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: for y'all. Oh yeah, a right to say, yeah, she
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: did it, she did it that way already, and it
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: got ten times worse. Like this happened like two years ago.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: And the thing is, Seever was told, we'll tell him
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: to leave you alone and y'all could just be in
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: the room and he won't talk to you.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: And that worked the first year, but by the second
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: year this year, he weaseled his way back.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: Once you tell me you will keep me safe, and
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: you fail me, and the second time is ten times
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: worse than the first time. I'm allowed to say, I'm
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: not fucking filming him anymore.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: That's that's she played ball, Sierra, you're my client.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: You played ball for two years.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: That's that's Valuablue.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Carlos and I I think our producer brains are like
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: at the forefront a lot and we're just like, what
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: is the what is the move for TV?
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Like, what's gonna make the best.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Team coordinator who's like everybody's safe though getting sued.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't want to speak for you, Carlos,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: but that's how I look at it, like what's gonna.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Make Yeah, no, for sure. But also I didn't have contact,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't know an ultimatum.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Again, it's a boundary.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just watching the show, so I didn't know the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: context in terms of the New York Times on the couach,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: she already gave one. She she took one for the team,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and he did this to her. So with that being said,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I now get it. I totally get it, and I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: do think this, I do think dangerous. I would say
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: this though if I was producing Summer House, this is
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: what I would not that I know that, So this
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: is what I would have done. We all know unofficially
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: that In the City was created because Summer House was
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: about to die, right, Like, I think that's pretty obvious.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: It was petering out.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was sort of like, let's spin off
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: these people and whatever. With that being said, what I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: would have done then, now that I have the backstory,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I would have used Wait a second, and.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: By the way, In the City is couples only. That's
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: why Sierra and them can't have a main role if
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: you're not in a couple.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: That was part of the problem. No, it just hit me,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: what everything semantics. He's fire from Summerhouse. It doesn't mean
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: he's fire from appearing in the city.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: He's already in the city. Yep.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: Because the statement from TMZ or the statement that TMZ
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: got from this spokesperson or person closing the situation, the
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: door is not closed. Yeah, they specifically made sure to
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: put that in the door is not closed. That But
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: that's why I twittered. I was like, we's this going
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: to be on the Traders? He will be on houseI
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: villains like, he's not, they're not. He's not persona non
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: grata from the network in real life. It's just like
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: right now. But again, to me, I don't. I just
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: don't think that network should be giving audiences this much power.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: And I say that as an audience member, but like,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: once you start doing stuff, because we as an audience
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: are saying it like you lose control of the show.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Well no, and I I agree with that as a
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: producer too. And listen, I will say Unfortunately, there are
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: networks blue Clock that there are network people, whether it's
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the intern, a PA or an executive.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: They're pressed who really do read Twitter.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I know for a fact that there's people who look
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: at Twitter to make casting decisions of who gets fired
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and me hire next season. And I'm like, you mean
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the one percent of the population on Twitter gets to
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: decide the fate of a person's reality career. So I
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: do think this. I wouldn't I wouldn't mind seeing the
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: West Amanda Kyle thing on in the city and have
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Summer House Vcierra's vehicle with Mia the rest of the
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: guys and the dying vehicle.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: You're giving her the dying ship.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no no no no no, it's
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the thing. It's the thing. Sierra being on Summer House
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: makes more sense to me because I think based on
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: what you said, with with what she has to go
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: through with West, having the ultimatum take them on from
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the team whatever, I think telling her, let's bring on
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: your friends some people and you get to see like
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: a light happen because Martha's.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: Vineyard Black People is gonna be upset because now it's
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: it's just turned into Preston show that got canceled.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Now you don't turn summer House into Martha's vineyard.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: Child water come on and want to house slowly. Because
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: I trust Preston, I would call him and be like, boy,
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: if you don't call him people and get you a car,
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: had your black ass over there?
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: The question Ray John, if summer house turned black, now you.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Go and say, you know what, We've already done this.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I love it's about to be so plain. Someumer house
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Kyle's can be like, hey, guys, what's going on here?
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: No, Kyle likes the blacks though Kyl's Kyle is low
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: key eating us, and I like, can we talk about that?
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: But and Carl Carl is cool with Jasmine in silence.
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: Carl and Kyle both like chocolate, so they wouldn't mindset
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: of my house black bringing.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Some of the mothers been your folks said, hey, listen,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: all of this is so genius and we're not even
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: producing the show.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: But you need to be though, y'all always avo. You
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: need to invoice the brival because you know any watching
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: this right now, shall or or or the anter who
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: watches trying to the press. In turn, I was trying to,
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: you know, root for you because I can see you.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: U huh interesting. Okay, okay, go ahead listen, all right,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: we may have just started something fresh and new for
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the Summer House and in the city world. So rain Jobs,
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  Speaker 5: By the way, before I do my plug, are we
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: coming back for Summer House Black?
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: If it happens?
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: Is that?
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: What is that work? We kind of do we capture
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: some of the House Black look, that's our show? Yeah, okay,
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• 57:34
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  Speaker 4: And Beyonce could play the tarot car reader like she
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  Speaker 2: To come to being Beyonce apparently.
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  Speaker 1: And Megan megane Stallion will replace Rod Digga. All right,
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  Speaker 2: Yeah not IM about to go watch the movie.
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