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Boxing Podcast: Daniel Dubois vs Fabio Wardley 2 Is Happening Too Soon? · Big Dog Lukie Boxing Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Boxing Podcast, you're on with the sickos.
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SPEAKER_01: It's me and Tokers.
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SPEAKER_01: Tokers is probably the most knowledgeable ex-person besides Box Rick Gray out there.
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SPEAKER_01: He is going through all the craziness in boxing.
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SPEAKER_01: I actually have a fight for you to talk about this week that is just a sicko fight
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SPEAKER_01: that was thrown to me in my newsletter.
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SPEAKER_01: But Tokers, how are you doing?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you for asking.
0:26
SPEAKER_00: It's good to be back on.
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SPEAKER_01: And as I fix my hat,
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SPEAKER_01: in typical fashion,
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SPEAKER_01: we start late because Lukie did not send Tokers the link because he was multitasking
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SPEAKER_01: and couldn't do it.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: That is a very on-brand thing for this program.
0:40
SPEAKER_01: Let's start with Daniel Dubois, Fabio, Wardley, too.
0:43
SPEAKER_01: Just the big thing, is this happening too soon?
0:46
SPEAKER_01: And what are your thoughts, Tokers?
0:47
SPEAKER_01: Break this down.
0:53
SPEAKER_00: It's happening way too soon for Wardley.
0:58
SPEAKER_00: I was very,
0:59
SPEAKER_00: very strong in picking Dubois in the first fight and I haven't really changed,
1:03
SPEAKER_00: obviously.
1:07
SPEAKER_00: And it just reminds me of Joyce against Yang, to be honest.
1:11
SPEAKER_00: You have this huge tough guy that's got an iron chin that takes a really bad beating
1:15
SPEAKER_00: in the first fight.
1:17
SPEAKER_00: Takes a quick turnaround.
1:19
SPEAKER_00: Five, what, just over five months, is it?
1:22
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I don't think it's going to Go that many rounds this time.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: I think it's probably going to be over in about five or six rounds.
1:31
SPEAKER_00: If it even goes that far.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: I really don't see why Wardley's taking it this quickly.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: Well, you can see why.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: It's a money fight and he's playing with Kyle's money at this point.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's way too soon.
1:46
SPEAKER_00: It's way, way, way too soon.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
1:50
SPEAKER_01: I guess my fear is with this fight is like he takes the most hellacious beating just
1:56
SPEAKER_01: to say things I've already said.
1:58
SPEAKER_01: But it's like it's not like and you point this out in the chat on Sunday.
2:01
SPEAKER_01: It's not like he hasn't taken a lot of damage.
2:04
SPEAKER_01: The Fraser Clark fight was hard.
2:05
SPEAKER_01: The first one he gets the comeback win.
2:07
SPEAKER_01: I think the second fight makes people forget how hard the first fight was.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: The Justice Hooney fight wasn't a walk in the park.
2:14
SPEAKER_01: He's had a lot of.
2:15
SPEAKER_01: And even his wins are like high contact wins where he's taking punishment,
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SPEAKER_01: he's absorbing blows.
2:21
SPEAKER_01: And I think the fairytale nature of his story has endeared him to the point
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SPEAKER_01: where people always believe that the comeback can happen.
2:29
SPEAKER_01: And against Dubois took a brutal,
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SPEAKER_01: brutal beating where I would have liked to have seen him out of the ring for a year.
2:34
SPEAKER_01: Instead, we're expediting the process and bringing him back in.
2:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, when do you think camp started two months after the beating?
2:42
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it just seems like this doesn't end well.
2:46
SPEAKER_01: Unless this is just an amazing moment.
2:49
SPEAKER_01: My wonder is,
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SPEAKER_01: is this one of those things where the contract or not that I'm privy to it,
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SPEAKER_01: where you have to do the rematch within a certain calendar year or maybe it's void?
3:00
SPEAKER_01: That's the only reason I can justify it.
3:02
SPEAKER_01: Or Wardley's a true competitor and he's like,
3:05
SPEAKER_01: hey man, I want to get this back as soon as possible.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: But it just doesn't seem like for Wardley's long-term health in the sport
3:13
SPEAKER_01: that this is really the best move.
3:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so a couple of things you said that I'll pick up on.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: Like, how many rounds has he actually won in the last three or four years?
3:29
SPEAKER_00: Or two, three years?
3:31
SPEAKER_00: Like, didn't win any against Hooney, really.
3:34
SPEAKER_00: Maybe he won one.
3:35
SPEAKER_00: Maybe two or three against Parker.
3:39
SPEAKER_00: And two against... Like, he's not winning rounds.
3:41
SPEAKER_00: That's the thing.
3:43
SPEAKER_00: And when you're not winning rounds at heavyweight, you're taking damage.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:48
SPEAKER_00: Even in Nathan Gorman fight, he had his nose split open.
3:54
SPEAKER_00: But to go on to your second point, I've got no doubt he's a true competitor.
4:00
SPEAKER_00: I think it's weird to contextualise because he wasn't meant to be anything.
4:08
SPEAKER_00: If you take the expectations of him at his pro debut and the expectations
4:12
SPEAKER_00: of someone like Dave Allen,
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SPEAKER_00: Dave Allen was meant to do a lot more than Fabio Wardley,
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SPEAKER_00: which is crazy to think about now.
4:19
SPEAKER_00: But he's always taken hard fights.
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SPEAKER_00: He's always been in hard camps.
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SPEAKER_00: He has got ridiculous chin, ridiculous work ethic.
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SPEAKER_00: Knows how to survive, but that can only take you so far.
4:34
SPEAKER_00: I've got no doubt him himself would have been like,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah, I want to jump straight back to him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
4:39
SPEAKER_00: I can win the rematch.
4:39
SPEAKER_00: I dropped him.
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SPEAKER_00: But sometimes you've got to take a bit.
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SPEAKER_00: Someone's got to say to him, you know.
4:46
SPEAKER_00: It's too late now,
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SPEAKER_00: obviously,
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SPEAKER_00: because it's White Week,
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SPEAKER_00: but someone should have said to him, like, there's other ways.
4:52
SPEAKER_00: Queensbury have all the heavyweights that are relevant outside Usyk and Gassiev,
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SPEAKER_00: and even with those that you can work with them.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: So I just, I think, I think it is way too soon.
5:08
SPEAKER_00: And...
5:09
SPEAKER_00: There's a money thing with it.
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SPEAKER_00: He's probably guaranteed a big package,
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SPEAKER_00: and it probably was contracted to be either this year or within 12 months of
5:20
SPEAKER_00: the first fight.
5:24
SPEAKER_00: It's not good for his long-term career.
5:26
SPEAKER_00: You could have rebuilt him, but it's admirable that he's jumping straight back in.
5:32
SPEAKER_00: That's just him.
5:35
SPEAKER_00: It's not a good idea.
5:36
SPEAKER_01: I hope I'm wrong.
5:38
SPEAKER_01: I hope we're wrong.
5:39
SPEAKER_01: But now let me throw this to you.
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SPEAKER_01: I was excited about the first fight.
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SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed it.
5:45
SPEAKER_01: I, like you, picked Dubois because I just feel like Dubois...
5:49
SPEAKER_01: Dubois is frustrating.
5:50
SPEAKER_01: It feels like there's a tier of guy that he's always going to lose to.
5:53
SPEAKER_01: But if you're not that tier, he beats you pretty soundly.
5:57
SPEAKER_01: And maybe he becomes the top guy when all those guys are gone.
6:01
SPEAKER_01: Like there's an element of that.
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SPEAKER_01: And I always remember just always feels like Dubois never fully gotten the shine
6:06
SPEAKER_01: after Joe Joyce.
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SPEAKER_01: People have been wanting to kind of be like, this guy's not that good and whatever.
6:11
SPEAKER_01: That's a whole different argument.
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SPEAKER_01: But the enthusiasm for me for this fight week is very dimmed.
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SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people are excited,
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SPEAKER_01: but I can't get out of my mind how fast the rematch is happening.
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SPEAKER_01: And I can't separate the fight itself from the turnaround.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's like I'm not as excited about this fight because of just how fast it's happening.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm just not knowing the little I know about boxing.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure he's going to come back without some lingering...
6:40
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
6:40
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
6:41
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
6:41
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
7:19
SPEAKER_01: I might have just dumped the biggest boxing encyclopedia on X.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking of heavyweights.
7:27
SPEAKER_00: I guess you could say Joshua Ruiz,
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SPEAKER_00: but that's like Ruiz was being Ruiz in that sort of time after that fight,
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SPEAKER_00: and it was what it was,
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SPEAKER_00: and it was sort of Joshua just keeping out of trouble and winning.
7:42
SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of the same.
7:45
SPEAKER_01: I just...
7:46
SPEAKER_01: I feel like where I... And now I'm changing the goalposts so everyone get mad at me.
7:50
SPEAKER_01: But it also feels like that was a boom-boom confidence deflator.
7:55
SPEAKER_01: But it wasn't a sustained beatdown.
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SPEAKER_01: Which is like...
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, he knocked out Joshua.
8:00
SPEAKER_01: But I always feel like Joshua was a little robotic.
8:02
SPEAKER_01: And there were fears around how far he could go.
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SPEAKER_01: Whereas what scares me about Wardley is...
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SPEAKER_01: He took a sustained beating.
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SPEAKER_01: He lost seven or six rounds one-sided and took damage and was being tough,
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SPEAKER_01: whereas Joshua got dropped a couple of times,
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SPEAKER_01: wanted to be tough, but then also lost the fight.
8:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
8:32
SPEAKER_00: I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
8:36
SPEAKER_00: There's probably some very obvious answers that will come to me in a couple
8:39
SPEAKER_00: of hours time, but yeah.
8:43
SPEAKER_00: It's just sort of, when everyone thinks it's a bad idea, it is a bad idea.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think anyone's really saying,
8:53
SPEAKER_00: oh yeah, it's the perfect time for him to take the rematch, you know.
8:59
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, what, five months ago, man?
9:02
SPEAKER_00: It's...
9:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
9:06
SPEAKER_00: It's not a good idea.
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SPEAKER_00: And especially against someone who's just fundamentally just better than you.
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SPEAKER_00: Which I think is what this comes down to.
9:14
SPEAKER_00: I just think they watch the better fighter.
9:17
SPEAKER_01: Like...
9:19
SPEAKER_01: So Lionel Watson in the chat is going to throw a question to you, Tokers.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: There is a chance that a poor version of Dubois shows up.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: He didn't look good against Kevin Lorena or started slow against Hergovic.
9:31
SPEAKER_01: Devil's advocate argument,
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SPEAKER_01: is there a chance that there's an inconsistency or a lack of focus with Dubois
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SPEAKER_01: and Wardley could catch him with his Wolverine like were Cooper and Powers early in
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SPEAKER_01: the fight?
9:45
SPEAKER_00: I've got a...
9:48
SPEAKER_00: One of my controversial takes is I think that version turned up in the first fight.
9:53
SPEAKER_01: Go in.
9:53
SPEAKER_01: I want this.
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SPEAKER_01: This is why you're here.
9:56
SPEAKER_01: Give us that take because I want that take.
9:58
SPEAKER_00: He sort of plodded in and sort of ran into a right hand in the first 10 seconds of the fight.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: He wasn't on the job straight away.
10:06
SPEAKER_00: And then he got dropped a couple of times,
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SPEAKER_00: got his legs back underneath him,
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SPEAKER_00: started to have the bounce in his feet and stepping in and out and he got better.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: But it still wasn't like the great,
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SPEAKER_00: great sort of just wiped him out like he did to Joshua or something.
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SPEAKER_00: Like Joshua,
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SPEAKER_00: the first minute,
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SPEAKER_00: if you go and watch the first minute of the Joshua fight,
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SPEAKER_00: he is right on him,
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SPEAKER_00: right with a stiff jab,
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SPEAKER_00: right in his face,
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SPEAKER_00: hands up,
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SPEAKER_00: feet in and out, bounce on the feet, sort of, you know, he's really, really on it.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: Against Wardley, he just sort of plods in.
10:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:41
SPEAKER_00: I actually think it could have been an easier fight for Dubois.
10:47
SPEAKER_00: He was getting a little bit sloppy in exchanges and maybe wasn't going to the body as much.
10:53
SPEAKER_00: This is one thing.
10:55
SPEAKER_00: The one thing I think Dubois should have done a lot more is go to the body.
10:59
SPEAKER_00: I've not seen a lot of people say to it,
11:02
SPEAKER_00: but I think that's an area where you can get to Wardler.
11:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: So I want to sum up what you're saying and just say maybe we're doing it for a clip
11:12
SPEAKER_01: or something.
11:12
SPEAKER_01: But basically what you're saying is some people might be devils advocating that
11:17
SPEAKER_01: the bad Dubois shows up for this fight.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: Whereas you're saying that might be the worst version of Dubois
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SPEAKER_01: who basically handed him one side beating.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: And if a better version of Dubois comes and no one's bringing that up,
11:28
SPEAKER_01: this fight's going to be really, really bad for Wardley.
11:31
SPEAKER_01: That's basically your premise.
11:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's what I think will happen.
11:35
SPEAKER_00: I thought as soon as they talked about a rematch,
11:38
SPEAKER_00: I was like,
11:38
SPEAKER_00: if that's this year, Wardley's going to get taken out in about three or four rounds.
11:44
SPEAKER_00: I see it like the second Troy Strang fight.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: That's how I see this fight.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: Obviously,
11:48
SPEAKER_00: they're different stances and they're different styles of fighters and whatever,
11:51
SPEAKER_00: but I sort of see a similar pattern.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: I just fundamentally, like, in every area, I just think they was better.
12:05
SPEAKER_00: And I love Wardley as well.
12:07
SPEAKER_00: This is the thing.
12:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm not disparaging Wardley.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: I just think Dubois is just better everywhere, pretty much.
12:15
SPEAKER_00: And Hergovic, again, you're talking about an Olympic medalist who's now a world champion.
12:25
SPEAKER_01: Look at the guys he fought in the amateurs.
12:27
SPEAKER_01: Look at how he came up.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's...
12:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and with Lorena, it was like a short southpaw.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and his knee goes against a short southpaw who's arching shots over the top
12:45
SPEAKER_00: and coming under and going over the top.
12:50
SPEAKER_00: It's a weird fight.
12:52
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, Wally can land one.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: He can punch and it's heavyweight, but I really, really don't see any way other than that.
13:01
SPEAKER_01: I see the same fight as you Tokars.
13:03
SPEAKER_01: I see a three round destruction for Dubois that shocks everybody is what I'm seeing going in.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: Can you explain to me as a US guy that doesn't get the shoulder programming or
13:15
SPEAKER_01: the coverage about why people say Daniel Dubois,
13:20
SPEAKER_01: like the mental folkness and the awkwardness?
13:22
SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like there's something that US fight fans don't get about
13:26
SPEAKER_01: the Dubois character that exists in the UK.
13:30
SPEAKER_01: That I would like explained because I feel like people throw it out there
13:35
SPEAKER_01: and it's not contextualized well.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: Because to me just seems like an awkward big guy who probably got into boxing
13:42
SPEAKER_01: because he wasn't able to socialize well.
13:45
SPEAKER_01: And then it's like kind of played up.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: But I want the perspective from someone that consumes a lot of the content.
13:51
SPEAKER_01: How is Dubois perceived?
13:55
SPEAKER_00: I think he sort of...
14:04
SPEAKER_00: Sort of like a lovable idiot.
14:06
SPEAKER_00: Not to be disrespectful, but that's how it is.
14:12
SPEAKER_00: He was put into boxing by his dad at a very young age, like his brother and sister.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: And there's been a lot of talk about the dad being quite authoritarian
14:27
SPEAKER_00: with how he was,
14:29
SPEAKER_00: homeschooled them, put them through rigorous training from a young age, etc.
14:34
SPEAKER_00: But he didn't have a social life from what's been reported.
14:40
SPEAKER_00: He didn't have that.
14:41
SPEAKER_00: He's obviously sort of neurodivergent.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: And I think he's just seen as some guy who's like,
14:49
SPEAKER_00: you know, He's a lovable sort of idiot, basically.
14:55
SPEAKER_01: He's like a jock.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: In America,
14:57
SPEAKER_01: we'd call it a jock,
14:58
SPEAKER_01: like where it's like a guy who's good at athletics,
15:00
SPEAKER_01: but you're not wanting him to give you a thesis on something deep.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: And I think the problem with boxing is sometimes,
15:06
SPEAKER_01: especially with writers,
15:09
SPEAKER_01: myself included, you want to get something deep from a fighter.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: And there's some guys that just are surface level that don't go deep.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: And they're looking at you like you're the problem because they're like,
15:17
SPEAKER_01: dude, I don't think about this deeply.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: See guy, hit guy.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's basically it.
15:22
SPEAKER_00: And like,
15:24
SPEAKER_00: he's sort of,
15:26
SPEAKER_00: he is becoming a bit of a star because like his career,
15:32
SPEAKER_00: whatever you think about it, it's been a rollercoaster.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: Like, I've never sort of watched a Danny DuBois fight and not been entertained.
15:40
SPEAKER_00: It's going on sort of 10 years as a pro and like,
15:43
SPEAKER_00: he's ironing people out and then he's sort of getting dropped all the time
15:47
SPEAKER_00: and getting back up and sometimes he takes a knee and He's knocking out people in
15:52
SPEAKER_00: the stadiums and then there's low blows.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: And then you've got the dad running around making all these comments
16:01
SPEAKER_00: and you're having fight day parties.
16:07
SPEAKER_00: Dad's falling out with trainers and taking him away from that trainer to take him
16:10
SPEAKER_00: to another one and sacking people all the time.
16:13
SPEAKER_00: And it's his thing where it's sort of There's all this noise
16:18
SPEAKER_00: and it's very entertaining, but it boils down to a very good fighter.
16:27
SPEAKER_00: And I think the British public sort of love him or sort of a big part of
16:33
SPEAKER_00: the British public love him as sort of, you know, he's just sort of a guy that's...
16:43
SPEAKER_00: Very entertaining in his own sort of way.
16:45
SPEAKER_00: Like some of the clips he comes out with some of the sort of sayings and stuff.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: It's just hilarious.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: He is just like press conferences.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: It's sort of inverses, doesn't it?
16:56
SPEAKER_00: Because he's not going to say anything sort of really insightful.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: He's going to say some funny stuff.
17:02
SPEAKER_01: I think what you're getting at is his currency and social capital,
17:07
SPEAKER_01: which is just an obnoxious statement to say, is Daniel Dubois real.
17:10
SPEAKER_01: In a world of PR guys and in a world of people like, let me,
17:14
SPEAKER_01: this is my,
17:15
SPEAKER_01: I'd rather have a million followers on IG than a million dollars because I know
17:19
SPEAKER_01: the power of a brand.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Daniel Dubois is up there just saying some stuff and it just feels like
17:24
SPEAKER_01: whether you love him or hate him, it feels authentic is what I'm picking up on.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I don't think a lot of people hate him.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: I think he got a lot of sort of, a lot of, They did back it.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: That joyous fight was rough, man.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: Some of the stuff people were saying after that joyous fight was,
17:43
SPEAKER_00: I think, pretty disgraceful, to be honest.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: Can I go on a rant here?
17:47
SPEAKER_01: This is a Lukie rant that I want to do, and it's my show, and then you bully me, okay?
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Is can we get over like guys getting serious injuries with eyes and broken jaws
17:57
SPEAKER_01: and calling them quitters?
17:59
SPEAKER_01: Because that's a very reasonable thing.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: Like you need your eyes in life and your jaw getting broken is not the sign
18:06
SPEAKER_01: of being like a quitter.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: Like Victor Ortiz always think about got his jaw broken and people wanted to hate him.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: And then they look at that.
18:14
SPEAKER_01: Go feel feel free to cook.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: I agree with you there.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: And it was disgraceful after that Joyce fight.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, pretty much everyone in British boxing was out to sort of crucify him.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: And then...
18:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then Billy Joe Saunders does what Billy Joe Saunders does,
18:37
SPEAKER_00: and because Billy Joe Saunders has certain connections with people and he sort
18:43
SPEAKER_00: of understands how to play the media and play the social media game,
18:49
SPEAKER_00: not a lot of people say the same things about him a few months later,
18:53
SPEAKER_00: but that was bad.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: But ever since,
18:57
SPEAKER_00: I think I think since he came back and he beat Jaryl Miller and he sort of went
19:02
SPEAKER_00: to Poland and did what he did against Usyk and then it's sort of people are starting
19:08
SPEAKER_00: to respect him for he will fight anyone and he'll beat a lot of them
19:12
SPEAKER_00: and it's always going to be entertaining and he'll just say what he wants to say
19:19
SPEAKER_00: and he doesn't care about you being like
19:24
SPEAKER_00: I know this sounds bad,
19:26
SPEAKER_00: me saying this to someone who works in the media,
19:29
SPEAKER_00: but him saying,
19:30
SPEAKER_00: you're asking me stupid questions,
19:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to deal with this, I'm just walking out and doing it on camera.
19:35
SPEAKER_00: There is a realness there, you're right.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: It's a weird tale with Dubois, but...
19:44
SPEAKER_01: I kind of like it though because it's like if you find something he's into he'll get
19:50
SPEAKER_01: into it and I always remember that promo they did for him and Joshua
19:54
SPEAKER_01: where he had his belt in a suitcase and I don't know what it was about that I was
19:58
SPEAKER_01: in Scotland at the time when the fight was happening.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, he's going to beat Joshua.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: And it like the reason for it was just seeing him the way he held the suitcase
20:07
SPEAKER_01: with his belt and his demeanor.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Joshua is not going to be able to fight this guy.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: And there's something about him that like there's almost like tells
20:16
SPEAKER_01: about how he's going to perform fight week because he doesn't really hide it.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: And he's become a beloved figure to me in the sense
20:24
SPEAKER_01: that it's like he probably shouldn't be in the position he's in.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: He had to fight some fights and earn his spot.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: Not a lot of people come back from that Joyce loss and the noise around it.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: We've seen career fall apart after those sorts of losses.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: I think he's really good for British Boxing.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: And it would be nice if,
20:55
SPEAKER_00: not necessarily you,
20:56
SPEAKER_00: but a lot of the media would focus on people like him and Wardley
21:00
SPEAKER_00: over who's promoting a fight between two near 40-year-olds
21:05
SPEAKER_00: who were done five years ago.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: But that's another topic.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: Speak for yourself, Tokers.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm more interested in Dana White versus Eddie Hearn in that conversation.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's the real story is I'm just interested about how they're doing it quarter three.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: What's the revenue split?
21:21
SPEAKER_01: That to me just captures my interest as a fight fan.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: Christ.
21:30
SPEAKER_01: This is where her... Yeah.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: Anyway...
21:36
SPEAKER_01: Let me change the topic.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: What, for the hardcore enthusiast that's buying this pay-per-view in the U.S.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: or in Britain,
21:42
SPEAKER_01: for that matter,
21:43
SPEAKER_01: what are the fights that you would say,
21:45
SPEAKER_01: hey, there's something that's going to be better than you think?
21:49
SPEAKER_01: I circled, I think it's Nelson Brunner.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: Virtual versus Levi Giles looks like an interesting styles clash.
21:56
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's going to be a good fight.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: I looked at tape on, I believe it's Louie O'Doherty versus Michael Gomez Jr.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: I think Gomez, you correct me, you know more than me.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: Looks like Gomez Jr. is just a different level.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: And this is a dramatic step up for O'Doherty.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm curious to get your takes on some of these fights because you intimately know the details.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so, but Birchall, um, he's one of three brothers.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: They were all very, very good amateurs.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: This is a fight for him to win, basically.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: Levi Giles took it on any notice,
22:28
SPEAKER_00: and yeah, I don't think he'll beat Birchall, I think, but it's Leighton, isn't it?
22:34
SPEAKER_00: Leighton's a good fight, or it might be Nelson.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: I get, I get confused, but, um, I think it's Nelson.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: Nelson, yeah, Nelson.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: I think he beats Levi Giles pretty comfortably, um, I would duck it here against Gomez.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Gomez has looked very, very good against guys like Lee McGregor at lightweight.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: Lee McGregor at lightweight, a former bantamweight who's really a featherweight.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: And it's like,
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Louis O'Docherty has been through the small horsing in the UK, fighting season lightweights.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: Sort of your Jeffer 4s,
23:15
SPEAKER_00: and he just beat Hatem,
23:18
SPEAKER_00: and he beat Regan Glacken up in Scotland,
23:21
SPEAKER_00: and he's sort of passed the tests, but I don't think Michael Gomez has.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: I think O'Docherty might nick that one.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a good fight, though.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: It's a really good matchup.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: Gomez is like his dad.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: You must remember his dad, surely.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: Of course, yeah, I'm a loser, bro.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: Like, you gotta remember, like, it goes to a dark place.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: I might not know everything in British boxing, but, like,
23:46
SPEAKER_01: I go to dark places where I'm like,
23:48
SPEAKER_01: let me go back and watch this Mike McCallum fight because it's Wednesday night
23:52
SPEAKER_01: and I don't have anything to do.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: Like, it gets dark in my boxing feed.
23:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, same with me.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: But, um, The dad.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: I was watching the Arthur fight the other day.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, he's a bit like that.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: He's a bit sort of mad that he'll just sort of start throwing down with you.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: But I think maybe Adopi
24:13
SPEAKER_00: can lick that.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
24:15
SPEAKER_00: It should be a fun fight, though.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: Gomez is very fun, despite his sort of ability not being sort of top tier.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: But it's a good sort of British level domestic fight where both are sort
24:25
SPEAKER_00: of peaking around this level, I think.
24:29
SPEAKER_00: Dread a lot against Solid Acres.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: Go do something else.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: Walk the dog.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's going to be one punch at a time,
24:39
SPEAKER_01: ridiculous 10-round decision that shouldn't happen, right?
24:43
SPEAKER_00: It's going to be 15-foot feints, one jab, and staring at each other.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: It's just a horrible fight.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think Dread a lot wins it.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: Isn't his career kind of fun though?
25:00
SPEAKER_01: Like in some degree,
25:03
SPEAKER_01: he's like the greatest super heavyweight Olympian and it should be decorated,
25:08
SPEAKER_01: but he's like such a professional amateur.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: At this point, you never see him converting to a pro style fully.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: And in any given night,
25:16
SPEAKER_01: he can like gas out or struggle against guys he totally shouldn't on paper.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, it's so goofy and weird.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: It almost makes every fight kind of fun.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: In its own way.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: It's a shame about Jalov because when he was first prior, he was nasty and he was spiteful.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: And he was genuinely trying to take your head off.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: But he was doing it with sort of this top,
25:41
SPEAKER_00: top level footwork and this great timing of the left hand and sort of...
25:46
SPEAKER_00: Now he's just sort of flicking a jab out and maybe the odd backhand
25:50
SPEAKER_00: and foot fainting.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: And it's just like, oh, yeah.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:55
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, there's one other fight on this show.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, not necessarily the fight.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: Because he's fighting a hundred lost journeyman.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: Don't get me started on them.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: But Manny Safari is turning pro.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: Exceptionally talented youth amateur.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Exceptionally talented.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: I've been sort of half watching him and keeping an eye on him probably since
26:18
SPEAKER_00: about 2024, maybe 2023.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: And he's just
26:22
SPEAKER_00: He's a really, really good signing for Queensborough, making his pro debut.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: Exceptional, exceptional talent.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: And if he's developed properly and he keeps his head on,
26:33
SPEAKER_00: you know, I think he's going to have a really good career.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: But that's one.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: The fight's not worth sort of, you know, it won't be competitive at all.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: But you might want to have a little look at that, I think.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: Okay, now let's switch gears to another topic.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: We got a couple more topics to dig into this morning for the boxing topic,
26:57
SPEAKER_01: which is I'm just going to lay it down because it's kind of a sensitive topic.
27:00
SPEAKER_01: But obviously, there's a war going on in the Middle East.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: Canelo is supposed to fight in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: There's been missile strikes that have attacked that have hit Riyadh's airport.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: It's a complicated issue.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: And honestly, we're not polyscience majors.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: We're not news reporters.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: It's something where I think that you have to tread lightly because I don't know
27:23
SPEAKER_01: the exact verbiage or even what's going on.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: And I think that boxing has a lot of people that are just saying stuff.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: That being said,
27:31
SPEAKER_01: It's quite unusual that there's a potential major fight going on with the face
27:36
SPEAKER_01: of boxing,
27:36
SPEAKER_01: the biggest name,
27:38
SPEAKER_01: the biggest draw in a fight where we're uncertain for reasonable reasons,
27:44
SPEAKER_01: even though the promotion and Turkey Al-Sheik have reassured everyone that
27:47
SPEAKER_01: the fight is happening.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: There are multiple warnings put out by governments about don't travel
27:53
SPEAKER_01: to Saudi Arabia currently because of the conflict occurring there.
27:58
SPEAKER_01: And Canelo and Billy, I mean,
28:00
SPEAKER_01: Is a pretty consequential fight in the super middleweight division
28:04
SPEAKER_01: in multiple senses.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: Canelo's the big star of boxing.
28:09
SPEAKER_01: But it could be a passing of the torch moment.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: And Billy does have a style where I think some people are favoring him.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: And now looming over it is, will this fight happen?
28:20
SPEAKER_01: Yes or no?
28:23
SPEAKER_01: What is the logistics going to look like?
28:25
SPEAKER_01: I feel like now...
28:28
SPEAKER_01: It's also a story about Canelo and Billy as much as it is about what is going
28:34
SPEAKER_01: to fight Weaklen to look like.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: And I'm curious to get your perspective on what is just happening with him, Billy and Canelo.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that I saw something today and I tweeted it.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't watch this sport,
28:54
SPEAKER_00: but the Six Kings Slam Tennis Tournament,
28:57
SPEAKER_00: which was in Riyadh,
28:58
SPEAKER_00: scheduled for the week before,
29:00
SPEAKER_00: so the 24th of October, that's been postponed and that's happening in December.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: I think that's a pretty big indicator that the fight either gets postponed
29:11
SPEAKER_00: and happens in Saudi at a later date or it gets moved to the US or Mexico
29:15
SPEAKER_00: or somewhere.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: Where there isn't government advice about going there.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: It's a horrific situation,
29:31
SPEAKER_00: but I don't think it's right for the fight to be happening there at this moment.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't think anybody really thinks it is.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: I think there's probably a little bit of a standoff.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: I was going to get to that.
29:49
SPEAKER_01: I was going to lead you into that.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: It's the standoff over sort of who pulls out first and where the money goes.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: That's what I think it is.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: If I had to give you a percentage chance of this fight happening in Riyadh
30:06
SPEAKER_00: in two weeks' time, I'd probably say 5%.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: I just don't think it's going to happen though.
30:13
SPEAKER_01: Let me just say we are not privy to contracts,
30:16
SPEAKER_01: but I think that what people are wondering is,
30:20
SPEAKER_01: does Canelo get X amount of money allotted to him potentially if
30:25
SPEAKER_01: the fight is canceled or postponed?
30:27
SPEAKER_01: Is there money owed?
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Whereas if Canelo were to withdraw, is there no money owed?
30:32
SPEAKER_01: Or what would that look like?
30:33
SPEAKER_01: And I think that obviously over the next couple of days or even a week,
30:38
SPEAKER_01: that's probably going to get sorted behind the scenes.
30:40
SPEAKER_01: That stuff isn't.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: Isn't privy to us.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: The bigger question,
30:45
SPEAKER_01: in my opinion, more interesting question is, boxing has had a terrible 2026.
30:51
SPEAKER_01: And with Canelo potentially not fighting this year,
30:54
SPEAKER_01: with Devin Haney not fighting this year,
30:56
SPEAKER_01: and potentially Shakur Stevenson not making a Zufa boxing debut,
31:02
SPEAKER_01: Would that just be the stamp on a bad year with no Canelo fight?
31:09
SPEAKER_01: If we get an announcement and it's like, okay,
31:11
SPEAKER_01: Canelo's fighting in January,
31:12
SPEAKER_01: or I think the gut punch would be like, okay,
31:15
SPEAKER_01: Canelo's fighting in May,
31:18
SPEAKER_01: but what are your interpretations of,
31:21
SPEAKER_01: let's leave the politics aside,
31:23
SPEAKER_01: but if there was a world that you speculate he doesn't fight,
31:27
SPEAKER_01: what does that mean to boxing?
31:29
SPEAKER_00: I think it's really bad.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: And let's not forget, sort of, this fight was meant to happen in September to begin with.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: And they moved it for Ryan Garcia.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: And I think that sort of sums up where boxing is sort of moving Canelo fights for Ryan Garcia.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: But it's a really bad year.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: And if Canelo doesn't fight, it's...
31:54
SPEAKER_00: Do you think it is actually that different than Canelo fighting in an empty arena
31:59
SPEAKER_00: in red at seven in the morning?
32:02
SPEAKER_00: Is that really, you know, does that make that big a difference?
32:06
SPEAKER_01: I mean, to me, I would say, obviously, it's not as impactful.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: Having that,
32:15
SPEAKER_01: but having Canelo be a part of boxing,
32:18
SPEAKER_01: even it's like if Canelo fights in a forest and no one sees him fight,
32:21
SPEAKER_01: at least Canelo's fighting in a forest.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: And it like Canelo being involved in the sport at least gets the people that,
32:29
SPEAKER_01: you know,
32:29
SPEAKER_01: there's there's some media outlets that only come out for Canelo fights
32:33
SPEAKER_01: at this point or a Ryan Garcia.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: And it's like if that.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: If he doesn't fight for one year,
32:38
SPEAKER_01: that's one year of potential people that only are in to watch boxing like twice,
32:44
SPEAKER_01: three times a year that boxing just doesn't exist or is not on their radar.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: So I get what you're saying, but I just think that The impressions and the reach Canelo has.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: A lot of people are unaware of the venues that I think fighters fight in.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: I think you and me are more aware of that.
33:02
SPEAKER_01: But like I have buddies that casually watch boxing, the rare casual fan.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: They know the matchups.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: They have no clue what city it's in.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: So like I think that a lot of people also Yeah, that's fair.
33:13
SPEAKER_01: That's fair.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it would be a disastrous year.
33:45
SPEAKER_00: It's been a bad year anyway.
33:47
SPEAKER_00: I was sort of talking to someone about Nick Ball against Brandon Figueroa
33:55
SPEAKER_00: and we're like, wow, that was eight months ago.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: It feels like eight or nine weeks ago because it's just been this massive void
34:03
SPEAKER_00: of nothing really happening.
34:06
SPEAKER_00: You've had Inouye Nakatolane this year.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: And then...
34:10
SPEAKER_01: I mean, Benavidez Zorda was a good fight.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: Benavidez just made it look like a bad fight.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: And that's also kind of a gut punch when you're like, oh, this is a good fight.
34:18
SPEAKER_01: And then the guy just goes in there.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: Which could be what happens with Dubois-Wardley, right?
34:23
SPEAKER_01: To go full circle is that first fight was amazing.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: But what happens if Dubois stops him in two rounds?
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Then all of a sudden, I think a lot of people forget how good the first fight was, right?
34:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a good point, but, yeah, I mean, it's just a mess.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: And if they postpone this event, like,
34:44
SPEAKER_00: I know personally there's fighters with eliminators for certain positions
34:51
SPEAKER_00: that are sort of waiting to have fights approved,
34:55
SPEAKER_00: and they can't have it until those fights have happened.
35:00
SPEAKER_00: And if it gets postponed, it pushes a lot of people back.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that people can work out who that is, but I can't say.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: Let me interrupt you there so we
35:14
SPEAKER_01: don't get in trouble.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: But I think that the big thing too is I was on my diatribe on X a few weeks ago
35:25
SPEAKER_01: and people were like, look, October is shaping up to be a good month.
35:28
SPEAKER_01: Halfway through October, this fight week doesn't excite me.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: Fundora's fight,
35:33
SPEAKER_01: I have a funny feeling Fundora's fight might be better than we think,
35:37
SPEAKER_01: but it might be like more of a gut punch of like,
35:39
SPEAKER_01: why is this fight kind of lasting this long?
35:42
SPEAKER_01: But like next week, Shock, Foster, Navarrete is the big fight of the year.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: Spoiler alert, I just think Shock is better than Navarrete.
35:49
SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm really wrong and biased,
35:51
SPEAKER_01: but it just feels like if that's our big fight,
35:54
SPEAKER_01: It's like a 70-30 matchup to me on paper.
35:56
SPEAKER_01: It's not that compelling 50-50.
35:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
35:59
SPEAKER_01: it's just really been a year where it feels like guys are expecting bigger paydays
36:05
SPEAKER_01: for those exciting fights and those paydays don't exist anymore.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: And we might have guys that almost retire just because the sport is changing so much
36:16
SPEAKER_01: and we almost need that new era of guy to replace the guys that should be at
36:20
SPEAKER_01: the top right now.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we had Kalazo against Sandoval for that as well, don't we?
36:28
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I think you are right.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: I think it's pretty well publicised that Saudi are either drawing back completely
36:37
SPEAKER_00: at least somewhat of their funding of the sport.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: And now it's sort of like,
36:42
SPEAKER_00: you know, you've got guys that were being paid £3 million to fight
36:50
SPEAKER_00: Edgar Belanger.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: And then they're offered $750,000 to fight Jannebeck.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: They're better fine.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: They're saying no.
37:00
SPEAKER_00: And that will be mirrored across multiple different divisions because
37:03
SPEAKER_00: the money isn't there anymore.
37:04
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's a tough business to make money in in the first place.
37:11
SPEAKER_01: And, yeah.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: What are your frustrations with the WBA?
37:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, God.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: Oh, God.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it probably won't even happen now, but...
37:26
SPEAKER_00: So, Bectomir Medecuzzi wins the Eliminator against Fulgham.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: Gets the order, Nolan Gears fighting Nikita's on.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: They're either approving it or not approving it or doing whatever.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: They've got the Jack Hatch from Nonsense.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: Sort of with Tfimo Lopez where they've written,
37:47
SPEAKER_00: they've given assurances to Lopez that he can fight a unification and
37:51
SPEAKER_00: then given assurances to catch all that he's going to get a fight
37:54
SPEAKER_00: against Lopez straight away.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: You probably haven't because you've got more sense than me.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: But I read the WBA statement with the Saigo-Lukui against the David Jimenez fight,
38:09
SPEAKER_00: which is a really good fight that's happening in November.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: But David Jimenez got upgraded after Bam Rodriguez moved up to 118 and got ordered
38:22
SPEAKER_00: to fight Scrappy Ramirez, the golden boy fighter.
38:24
SPEAKER_00: They pretty much said,
38:26
SPEAKER_00: oh yeah,
38:26
SPEAKER_00: we know we've ordered it,
38:27
SPEAKER_00: but the WBA reserves the right to allow other fighters, even if we've ordered stuff.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: So what's the point?
38:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:37
SPEAKER_01: Basically what you're saying is there's a frustration of a lack of consistency.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the lack of caring from a lot of people as well.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: I get the sense that not a lot of people actually care about mandatories
38:54
SPEAKER_00: if their name doesn't do clicks or they can't call someone a duck off the back
39:01
SPEAKER_00: of it, to be honest.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: Which is what it is, but it just winds me up quite a lot.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: There's guys that have been sat on mandatory shots for ages.
39:14
SPEAKER_00: Like, who cares about Mirko Aguero at this point?
39:17
SPEAKER_00: You know?
39:19
SPEAKER_00: One Eliminator got ordered to fight for the third weight title.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: Got told to fight in an interim title fight and then Figueroa gets ordered because,
39:28
SPEAKER_00: you know, just because you're interim champion doesn't mean you're mandatory.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: And then they strip him of the interim title because they're reducing the amount
39:35
SPEAKER_00: of titles they have.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: So...
39:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it's just boxing.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: I think UBOs are a bad thing,
39:47
SPEAKER_00: but when the sanctioning bodies act like that, who can really blame them?
39:53
SPEAKER_00: Who can really blame anyone for wanting a UBO when the sanctioning bodies are acting like that?
39:57
SPEAKER_00: But it is what it is.
40:02
SPEAKER_00: But what I will say is I'm going to circle back to a positive point.
40:06
SPEAKER_00: And a controversial take, I think.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: You said the Fandora fight might be a bit better than people think.
40:14
SPEAKER_00: I think there's going to be an upset on that card.
40:17
SPEAKER_00: I've got a sneaky feeling that Tomoki Kameena might beat Brandon Fiboro.
40:23
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to try to beat you in there because I'm feeling...
40:28
SPEAKER_01: But let me talk you out of it.
40:31
SPEAKER_01: The one thing that scares me about that fight is Kameda has never won the big fight.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: He's gotten there, but he always loses.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: But that said, that Angelo Leo fight was a lot closer than I think people realize.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: And Figaro has got that crash and burn style.
40:49
SPEAKER_01: Talk me into it now.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: It's an outside sort of shout, obviously.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: There's red flags with Kamayla.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: He's probably a little bit smaller.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: But I think maybe...
41:06
SPEAKER_00: I don't think Figueroa really looked good for a few years.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: I think the netball performance was good.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: And I talked myself into picking him to win that final fight week as well.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: So I pat myself on the back.
41:17
SPEAKER_00: But...
41:19
SPEAKER_00: I think there was a lot of questions around that ball.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: Joe Gonzalez, he got beat up in that fight and got a gift.
41:27
SPEAKER_00: Fulton loses pretty much every round.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: And I just think there's all the signs that he's had one really good performance
41:34
SPEAKER_00: to bounce back and he's just going to slide back into what he was before
41:37
SPEAKER_00: the ball fight.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: I think Tomoki's strong.
41:43
SPEAKER_00: He's used to pressure fighting Mexicans.
41:49
SPEAKER_00: And he's just so hittable, Figueroa.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: I think there's a chance that there's an upset there.
41:54
SPEAKER_00: But I get what you're saying completely about him.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: They've already won the big fight.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: But I just think, I think the stars are aligning for, in a way, to fight Akameda.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: It does.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: If you're a narrative guy, it does feel like everything's lining up for that.
42:14
SPEAKER_01: But then there's another part of me that whenever Figueroa fights a guy like this,
42:19
SPEAKER_01: he tends to outlast him.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: I've heard people say Figueroa is going to have a chin issue.
42:25
SPEAKER_01: To me, it's more about when he slows down physically.
42:29
SPEAKER_01: He takes a lot of punches and it's like when the reflexes aren't there,
42:33
SPEAKER_01: it's going to be a rough hang.
42:35
SPEAKER_01: I just feel like this is a 50-50 fight because they both get hit
42:38
SPEAKER_01: and they both punch each other.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: So it's like whoever lands the bigger shot.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: I think Tokars, correct me if I'm wrong.
42:44
SPEAKER_01: Is this a fight where whoever takes a better punch is winning the fight?
42:49
SPEAKER_00: Potentially.
42:51
SPEAKER_00: Or it's whoever's comfortable firing back.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily how they take it.
43:00
SPEAKER_00: Because if you get punched into a guard, then it's not a good thing.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: But I get the sense there's going to become a point with Figueroa where he goes like
43:07
SPEAKER_00: a Jared Hurd or a Joe Joyce.
43:10
SPEAKER_00: Sort of these big imposing physical guys that use their engine and their strength
43:16
SPEAKER_00: and their chin.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: And they're just these horrible guys to fight.
43:19
SPEAKER_00: They're constantly on you.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: They're so strong.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: And then when it goes, it really, really goes.
43:26
SPEAKER_00: And you're sort of looking at them like, how the hell was that guy able to win these fights?
43:31
SPEAKER_00: How was he any good?
43:34
SPEAKER_00: But it's sort of the intangibles that you don't really see.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: I think there's potential that Figueroa could just go at any point now.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: And it might not be this week,
43:44
SPEAKER_00: but it could be in a fight's time or another fight's time because he's just got
43:48
SPEAKER_00: that style.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: Can I give you the Uncle Lukie rule?
43:54
SPEAKER_01: Go on.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm always one fight off from guessing it.
43:59
SPEAKER_01: So I think I see it.
44:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm one fight off.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: And then I'm like, okay, he's back.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: And then he loses.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: So now when I feel that way, I feel like I'm one fight away.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: So it almost makes me wonder, are you one fight off or are you right on the money?
44:12
SPEAKER_01: Because when I feel this way, I'm like, it's always one fight after.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: It's like a weird pattern that now I feel like I can almost call it.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: Because for five years, I'm like, this is the fight.
44:23
SPEAKER_01: And I was one fight off.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I could be wrong, but it's a good fight.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Kameda doesn't deserve the fight.
44:40
SPEAKER_01: It's just strange, but whatever, boxing is weird, so we'll just run with it.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it's a fun match-up style-wise.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Really fun match-up style-wise, I think.
44:52
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think that also,
44:55
SPEAKER_01: and don't get me wrong,
44:56
SPEAKER_01: shout out my guy Anthony Cox from Australia,
44:59
SPEAKER_01: Mazzoutier,
45:00
SPEAKER_01: I don't think beats Resendez,
45:02
SPEAKER_01: but I think there's also a world
45:03
SPEAKER_01: where Resendez might not have been training super hard,
45:06
SPEAKER_01: gets a phone call and the fight gets weird.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: We just saw Mendoza get off the couch and win a fight that no one really expected,
45:16
SPEAKER_01: myself included.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: I didn't even preview the fight because I thought it was that one-sided.
45:21
SPEAKER_01: And Mizzou Diere,
45:23
SPEAKER_01: to me, is just the definition of a limited guy gets hit too much, doesn't hit hard.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: But Resendez was, before the Caleb Plant, kind of viewed as a high-level gatekeeper.
45:34
SPEAKER_01: And...
45:36
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, like that one scares me too.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a weird card.
45:43
SPEAKER_00: Because we haven't really talked about the Fandora fight, but Harder of Bile, how do you say it?
45:50
SPEAKER_00: I don't think he really has a chance to win, but I think he can make Fandora look quite bad.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a weird card.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: I think it's going to be sneaky quite good.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, Even though the match-ups aren't premier match-ups, I think it could be quite fun.
46:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:11
SPEAKER_01: I mean, but do you get what I'm saying?
46:15
SPEAKER_01: Like, is there possibly a world where he's like halfway in camp?
46:18
SPEAKER_01: Maybe he was fighting on this date, but he's like, okay, I'm getting a tune-up fight.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: And now you're in this fight and you've got a guy that trained for two full camps
46:25
SPEAKER_01: against Charlo.
46:26
SPEAKER_01: He's having the camps of his life and he goes out and has one good performance,
46:30
SPEAKER_01: beats a former world champion.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: And then we get Jermell Charlo versus him in a main event because,
46:36
SPEAKER_01: you know, he just won a big fight.
46:42
SPEAKER_00: The Trollos aren't fighting again.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: The Trollos are never going to fight again.
46:47
SPEAKER_00: Forget them.
46:48
SPEAKER_00: We need to forget the Trollos.
46:49
SPEAKER_01: Dakota said they're just not responsible people.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: He's just like, they're just not responsible.
46:55
SPEAKER_01: I don't trust them as adults,
46:57
SPEAKER_00: let alone fighters.
47:00
SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, but I think the card's good.
47:03
SPEAKER_01: I agree with you with Ermal.
47:05
SPEAKER_01: I can say Ermal.
47:06
SPEAKER_01: I can't say his last name.
47:07
SPEAKER_01: I feel like there's going to be a point where winning to him is not getting stopped
47:12
SPEAKER_01: and frustrating Fundora.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: And Fundora in this fight, to me at least, is either going to do one of two things.
47:18
SPEAKER_01: He's going to show me he's exceptional and beat a guy who's tricky and in there to survive.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to go, wow, I underrated this guy.
47:26
SPEAKER_01: He's an elite operator.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: He can be at the top.
47:29
SPEAKER_01: Or we're going to remember that Jamonte Clark fight where he fought a southpaw
47:33
SPEAKER_01: and it was weird.
47:34
SPEAKER_01: And I think the knock on Fundora was there was always range gaps because of his height.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: Like he never could fully extend on punches.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: And it was like you kind of felt like a Paul Williams type or a Willie Nelson type
47:46
SPEAKER_01: where he had to fight you on the inside.
47:49
SPEAKER_01: And I think that really since Cordell Booker,
47:51
SPEAKER_01: the second Tim Zhu fight,
47:52
SPEAKER_01: and especially with Thurman,
47:54
SPEAKER_01: He's shown an ability to keep distance,
47:56
SPEAKER_01: but the pessimist,
47:57
SPEAKER_01: like my guy Adam Noble-Forcey said last week,
48:00
SPEAKER_01: I think there's another person that goes, is that just perfect matchups?
48:04
SPEAKER_01: Are those the guys that allow him to fight that way because of whatever?
48:09
SPEAKER_01: And I think this fight will tell us a bit about Fendora,
48:12
SPEAKER_01: about is he the elite guy that's up there with the boots and Virgil?
48:17
SPEAKER_01: Or is he a guy that's kind of benefited and improved because of the people in front of him?
48:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
48:27
SPEAKER_00: I
48:32
SPEAKER_00: get the sense that he has improved, but he's not improved that much.
48:38
SPEAKER_00: Not that much, but to that degree where he's just going to blow something like this away.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: I think he might sort of be made to look ordinary, but still win very, very clearly.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: Sort of one of those fights because the expectations are so low for the opponent.
48:57
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's a weird... Let me throw this at you, Tokers.
49:03
SPEAKER_01: What's the one thing you don't want to see Fundora doing in this fight?
49:06
SPEAKER_01: What's the Tokers' one thing you don't want to see Fundora have happen against him?
49:13
SPEAKER_00: Whew.
49:19
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to see him unable to cut a ring.
49:25
SPEAKER_00: I think that's sort of,
49:27
SPEAKER_00: he's had a lot of guys that were just there and if Herder Bayer goes on,
49:34
SPEAKER_00: I've said it about three different ways,
49:36
SPEAKER_00: if he goes on the retreat and sort of just gets on his bike
49:42
SPEAKER_00: and Fandora can't cut him off, it could get really boring.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: I want to see him set traps,
49:49
SPEAKER_00: sort of manipulate him with his sort of length,
49:53
SPEAKER_00: cut the ring and back him up his corners and keep him there.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, if he can't cut the ring off properly against this guy,
50:04
SPEAKER_00: it's going to be one boring fight because it would just be sort
50:06
SPEAKER_00: of Thunderbird jabbing against his guard and not being able to land the second
50:13
SPEAKER_00: or third shot.
50:15
SPEAKER_00: And it'll be very boring, but hopefully it isn't like that.
50:17
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully just Fundora sort of cuts for him.
50:20
SPEAKER_00: But we'll see.
50:21
SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
50:22
SPEAKER_00: I get the sense it will be a little bit like that.
50:25
SPEAKER_00: But then it will sort of grind him down.
50:27
SPEAKER_00: It will stop him about eight or nine when his legs sort of go a little bit and he can't run.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: This is the thing, right?
50:42
SPEAKER_01: When you make so much boxing content is you see every scenario possible
50:46
SPEAKER_01: because you talk about it from all these different angles.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: So I see a world where maybe Fendora catches him three rounds.
50:51
SPEAKER_01: Everyone's like, why would why this fight happen?
50:54
SPEAKER_01: I think that it's either going to be a one-sided Pandora stoppage quick,
50:58
SPEAKER_01: or it's just going to go on and on.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: And boxing Twitter is going to go, why is Pandora struggling with this guy?
51:04
SPEAKER_01: I think for me, the big one is, it's not as much the movement.
51:09
SPEAKER_01: He's got a little bit of that Sam Solomon to him where he's all the way out and
51:12
SPEAKER_01: then he kind of clubs you.
51:12
SPEAKER_01: They're not hard punches, but then he'll grab you and then he'll go out.
51:31
SPEAKER_01: It's like it feels like if he gets going, this could be a head clash fight.
51:36
SPEAKER_01: This could be a weird, awkward fight.
51:39
SPEAKER_01: There could be a lot of like warnings.
51:42
SPEAKER_01: And I feel like what Ermel does good is he like slows and offsets pace and rhythm
51:48
SPEAKER_01: when he gets in.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: So it's like the fights are real messed up and the pace isn't very good.
51:54
SPEAKER_01: And that's where he thrives.
51:56
SPEAKER_01: And if that becomes the pace, even if Endora wins, it'll be weird.
52:00
SPEAKER_01: That's the fight I'm seeing.
52:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
52:03
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's a phrase I nicked from my dad.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: He's a professional spoiler.
52:13
SPEAKER_00: And he's really good at just making people look bad.
52:16
SPEAKER_00: And not necessarily winning fights, but he just makes horrible viewing.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: And you sort of get a lot of them, sort of, you get a lot of them in Europe.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:28
SPEAKER_00: In European title fights a lot, you get these guys that make the fight really messy and sloppy.
52:36
SPEAKER_00: It's not good.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: I just think that there's two worlds.
52:41
SPEAKER_01: He's taken a huge step up in competition.
52:43
SPEAKER_01: If he gets hit with a shot and goes,
52:45
SPEAKER_01: oh my god, I've never been hit like that, probably a short night.
52:48
SPEAKER_01: If he gets in there and goes,
52:49
SPEAKER_01: oh, this guy's not as good as I thought, oh my god, we get a bad fight.
52:53
SPEAKER_01: That's the worlds I see.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it could be a Could be pretty boring, unfortunately.
53:03
SPEAKER_01: Final thought, Tokers, because we've kept you on too long, is Carlos Adami's Tazufa Boxing.
53:10
SPEAKER_01: Love Dana White with the sword.
53:12
SPEAKER_01: The sword is a big part of those signings.
53:14
SPEAKER_01: I love that the sword comes out.
53:18
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they've got a good middleweight roster now.
53:20
SPEAKER_01: Middleweight's kind of been a division that sucked since Golovkin left.
53:25
SPEAKER_01: It's been indifferent.
53:26
SPEAKER_01: Janabek was probably the best guy, but for whatever reason, we couldn't get the fights.
53:30
SPEAKER_01: Now they got Denzel Bentley, Shane Mosley, and Carlos Adamis and Aaron McKenna.
53:34
SPEAKER_01: I almost forgot my guy, Aaron McKenna.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: Is part of Zufa Boxing maybe to make the middleweight boxing division again great?
53:42
SPEAKER_01: Is that something?
53:43
SPEAKER_01: What are your thoughts on this signing?
53:46
SPEAKER_00: Good fighter, good signing.
53:48
SPEAKER_00: Weird because...
53:51
SPEAKER_01: It's weird because they haven't already done US shows for six months.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: They had the Ben fight,
53:57
SPEAKER_00: which was sort of a Zufa show, sort of wasn't sort of a ring show, whatever.
54:03
SPEAKER_00: But apart from that, they haven't really done US shows for a while.
54:06
SPEAKER_00: But I think Adamez is good.
54:09
SPEAKER_00: I think they might sort of force him,
54:13
SPEAKER_00: or the WEC might try to force him into the Un Assault Enough fight.
54:18
SPEAKER_00: That sounds like a Zufa sort of fight, Un Assault Enough against Adamez.
54:24
SPEAKER_00: Bentley, there's the weird situation with the WBO.
54:28
SPEAKER_00: McKenna, there's the situation with Omari Jones.
54:32
SPEAKER_00: It's all sort of weird because these guys even want to kick their titles when I don't.
54:38
SPEAKER_00: And if they want to kick their titles, they have to fight non-Zufa guys.
54:42
SPEAKER_00: I think it's the division that you're going to see sort of a guinea pig division in sort of.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: We're going to take away the belts and just fight in between us in our little league.
54:56
SPEAKER_00: And you can have the belts if you want them.
54:59
SPEAKER_00: I think that's the sort of play they're going to try and do.
55:01
SPEAKER_00: And it's weird because the best middleweight in the world might not be there.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: The best middleweight in the world could be Erleny Hernandez.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: It could be Omari Jones.
55:12
SPEAKER_00: It could be sort of a dry talker.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: It could be Zander Zayas.
55:17
SPEAKER_00: You don't really know.
55:21
SPEAKER_00: So yeah,
55:21
SPEAKER_00: I think it's an interesting sign and I think there's potentially good fights there
55:25
SPEAKER_00: and it might get some momentum for Adames because all Adames seems to be doing at
55:29
SPEAKER_00: the moment is sort of sitting on Twitter saying everyone's ducking him.
55:36
SPEAKER_01: That's a really good move, by the way.
55:37
SPEAKER_01: I actually am a pretty big fan of that.
55:40
SPEAKER_01: As a big Twitter guy,
55:41
SPEAKER_01: I love it when fighters just bring that experience right to my living room.
55:46
SPEAKER_01: I mean...
55:51
SPEAKER_00: I'm just sort of sat there saying everyone's scared of me.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: For no root.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh yeah, do you want to fight?
55:58
SPEAKER_00: No, but everyone's scared of me.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, we love that, don't we?
56:07
SPEAKER_00: But it's a weird sort of division.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: And we said it before, it's a weird time.
56:14
SPEAKER_00: Zufra did actually acknowledge the WBC title when they signed them,
56:18
SPEAKER_00: which is another weird thing.
56:20
SPEAKER_00: That shouldn't be weird, but it is weird.
56:23
SPEAKER_00: Acknowledging a world champion as a belt,
56:25
SPEAKER_00: that's somehow weird now because they haven't done it before.
56:31
SPEAKER_00: And I get the sense, Lukie,
56:37
SPEAKER_00: I get the sense that Zufa Boxing is going to murph and sort of mould or sort of go
56:43
SPEAKER_00: into the sort of shape of an early era PBC.
56:49
SPEAKER_00: So they'll play with the belts.
56:50
SPEAKER_00: It feels like that.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:54
SPEAKER_00: They'll sort of play with the belts, still have the belts.
56:56
SPEAKER_00: They've got a lot of money.
56:59
SPEAKER_00: Throwing a load of money around and keeping in-house fights.
57:02
SPEAKER_00: And that's what I sort of see with them.
57:07
SPEAKER_00: Then again, a lot of their funding comes from Saudi Arabia.
57:10
SPEAKER_00: Let me throw this to you.
57:15
SPEAKER_01: What do you think about Zufa mostly being a UK boxing?
57:20
SPEAKER_01: Like there's no Zufa boxing show till the end of the year so far in the US.
57:25
SPEAKER_01: Feels like since July,
57:28
SPEAKER_01: really outside like the Connor,
57:29
SPEAKER_01: Ben, Ryan Garcia fight, it's been a UK based company.
57:33
SPEAKER_01: Is this a trend?
57:35
SPEAKER_01: Or do you think that like,
57:36
SPEAKER_01: is it just for in the US,
57:38
SPEAKER_01: you might not be aware, but we have American football, the NFL, it's a big thing.
57:43
SPEAKER_01: Maybe they're avoiding doing shows when that's on.
57:46
SPEAKER_01: But to me,
57:47
SPEAKER_01: that's a little troubling that You know,
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SPEAKER_01: this we're lacking shows and Zufa Boxing actually put on pretty good shows and
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SPEAKER_01: the U.S.
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SPEAKER_01: is not getting shows from Zufa Boxing who might be
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SPEAKER_01: the most high output promoter currently amongst all the promoters.
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SPEAKER_01: It just seems like another thing that U.S. Boxing is up against.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
58:08
SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
58:09
SPEAKER_00: Sorry about me looking down.
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SPEAKER_00: My catch just jumped on me.
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SPEAKER_00: But yeah, Zufa in the UK.
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SPEAKER_00: I think they're targeting the UK,
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SPEAKER_00: they're putting on a lot of throws, they're picking up a talent that's sort of...
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SPEAKER_00: They picked up Fisher and put him on huge money to harm Matt's room.
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SPEAKER_00: They put on, like, got Ben to harm Matt's room.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's sort of the way they're going.
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SPEAKER_00: And then it's sort of like undercard fighters, really, like Craig Richards, Denzel Bentley.
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SPEAKER_00: But the shows are good.
58:52
SPEAKER_00: But I think they fundamentally don't understand the market, which is a weird thing.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't really promote to boxing fans.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't understand that the UK market is a ticket seller market.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know how they didn't sell out Johnny Fisher.
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SPEAKER_00: They had...
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SPEAKER_00: The way I understand it,
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SPEAKER_00: Zufa Boxing don't do ticket deals where a fighter can sell tickets out
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SPEAKER_00: of their hand.
59:28
SPEAKER_01: We should also say,
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SPEAKER_01: this is allegedly,
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SPEAKER_01: that we have no sustainable thing and nobody should clip this piece and use this
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SPEAKER_01: as valid content for AI going forward.
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SPEAKER_01: This is all alleged just because people love to go and do that on my shows
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SPEAKER_01: and use me as a Wikipedia source for a podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: So there you go.
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SPEAKER_00: The way I understand that this could be wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: And they didn't set out the Copper Box show, which is weird.
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SPEAKER_00: And the Bill and Smith show,
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SPEAKER_00: the first one against Riziki, didn't do well ticket-wise when I always used to.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_00: In Bournemouth, the next shot, it just seems they don't understand the market.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_00: And it's like you're putting Crispin and Smith against Shev Clark in London.
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SPEAKER_00: That doesn't make sense.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_00: It's like putting, I don't know, sort of two Mexican fighters in Florida.
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SPEAKER_00: It just doesn't make sense.
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SPEAKER_00: Like Crispin and Smith is the tickets that are in Bournemouth and you're putting him in London.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_00: You're not structuring the cards.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_00: I liked the fight,
1:00:41
SPEAKER_00: but the Mateo Tapia fight on the fish around the card,
1:00:45
SPEAKER_00: why were two Mexicans boxing at 8 o'clock in London?
1:00:49
SPEAKER_00: Doesn't make sense.
1:00:50
SPEAKER_00: Do you understand what I'm saying?
1:00:53
SPEAKER_00: The fights can be good, but I don't think they understand the market properly.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_00: Boxing fans aren't fans of boxers.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, boxing fans aren't fans of boxing particularly.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_00: They're generally fans of boxers,
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SPEAKER_00: and I don't think they quite get that yet,
1:01:07
SPEAKER_00: but I think they put on good shows, and it will last.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_00: If they keep acid properly, I think it will last, especially with Sky.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_00: Sky's good.
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SPEAKER_00: Sky's very, very good for them.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, I have to interrupt
1:01:23
SPEAKER_01: you, Tokers.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_01: I've enjoyed this, but I've got to get back to work.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_01: That has been our show this week.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_01: Tokers, how can people follow you and support you?
1:01:32
SPEAKER_00: It's the Twitter handle there, and that's my cat's tail.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_00: She's literally right on the screen.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_00: And what's your cat's name?
1:01:40
SPEAKER_00: Daisy.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_00: Daisy.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so goodbye to you and Daisy.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_01: Daisy's trying to make a cameo.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_00: There she is.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_00: There she is.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_00: We go.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_00: But go on, go on.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, find me on Twitter and the podcast, the Championship Rounds.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_00: If we bring it back, which we're talking about, we might do, we might not.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_00: It certainly won't be in the sort of way we did it before if we do.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_00: But on there as well on YouTube, there's a Twitter account.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_00: It's linked in my Twitter.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, we'll see.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_00: Just on Twitter though, I'm usually on there.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_00: You can find me there.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_00: Just sort of
1:02:24
SPEAKER_00: A lot of the stuff I post is quite sarcastic about boxing now
1:02:27
SPEAKER_00: because I think like everyone else,
1:02:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm starting to feel the effects of what a rough year it's been.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, you can find me on there.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_01: Well, we appreciate you so much.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_01: And by we, I mean me.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_01: And I think that you're a wealth of knowledge and it's always a ton of fun to have you on.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for letting me waste some of your evening in the UK to help people
1:02:48
SPEAKER_01: that love our boxing content be well informed this week.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, man.
1:02:54
SPEAKER_00: I always enjoy coming on there.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_00: It's always a good bit of fun.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me again.