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Issue 384: Star Wars: Skeleton Crew · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the ned Palte. Hey, this is Nick Nostasiu's
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  Speaker 1: story editor on Star Wars, The Clone Wars and Star
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  Speaker 1: And so John, I you know, one of the most
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  Speaker 1: interesting things about this is, you know, every time something
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  Speaker 1: new comes out Star Wars wise, we're always given a
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  Speaker 1: trailer we're always giving a teaser, and you know, those
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  Speaker 1: things drop and they kind of leave you with first
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  Speaker 1: impressions as you're coming into the show, and I know
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  Speaker 1: both of us are in places where you know, well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll probably watch the trailer, but we're not necessarily going
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  Speaker 1: and like trying to deep dive into the show before
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  Speaker 1: it even starts, because we don't really want to be
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  Speaker 1: ruined in any way and we don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: skewed with are the thoughts. So I just kind of
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  Speaker 1: wanted to know where were you coming into the show,
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  Speaker 1: what were your general thoughts after the trailer, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, what were your kind of first impressions. Then
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  Speaker 1: after we got the pilot episodes of episodes one and two.
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  Speaker 2: Dropping, I think that if I go back to when
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  Speaker 2: the trailer dropped, I mean you and I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we talk outside of the podcast obviously, if I recall correctly,
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  Speaker 2: immediately keying on this idea that it was an eighties
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  Speaker 2: movie that had a very ambulance feel in the trailer, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: that had a very goonies feel. It had a very
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  Speaker 2: et feel, and I I, if I recall correctly, I
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  Speaker 2: said at the time, and I stand by this that
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  Speaker 2: I smiled in a way I hadn't smiled for a
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars trailer in a little while, because I immediately
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  Speaker 2: gravitated toward it. I said, this is the type of
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  Speaker 2: thing I feel like I need right now. Just entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: It exuded for me from the trailer. Entertainment for the
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  Speaker 2: sake of entertainment, ours grody artists, art for the sake
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  Speaker 2: of art. It's not doing anything other than telling a story,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like it's just the trailer was just telling
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  Speaker 2: a story. It wasn't setting a big mythos arc. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't you will suddenly find out what was happening at
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  Speaker 2: this time, or this ties into this thing. It was simply,
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  Speaker 2: this is a story that happens to be Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: And as you know full well, I react really well
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  Speaker 2: to anything that gives off that vibe. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 2: moving forward to the first two episodes, I kind of
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  Speaker 2: fell in love with the show right away. I didn't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, maybe you know, you could get
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  Speaker 2: better words to it, but I didn't come out of
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  Speaker 2: it saying this is the greatest thing that's ever been created.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is what Star Wars was all along.
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  Speaker 2: But I came out of it saying, Wow, I'm really
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  Speaker 2: happy with this. This is a lot of fun and
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  Speaker 2: really well put together and what I cast. You know,
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  Speaker 2: like it was such a satisfying feeling to just say, well,
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  Speaker 2: that was really good and I enjoyed that, right Like,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm being clumsy with that.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I mean I get what you're saying. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it is interesting. I've had this reaction a few times
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  Speaker 1: when something Star Wars has dropped. I remember my very
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  Speaker 1: first reaction to the Rogue one trailer was not great
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  Speaker 1: if you.
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  Speaker 2: Remember, Oh that's right, I do remember.
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  Speaker 1: I just for some reason, it was just giving me
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  Speaker 1: these like weird hunger game vibes and something just we
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  Speaker 1: just didn't feel right right away. And you know, in
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  Speaker 1: all honesty, this was the same thing. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: was getting the Ambulance vibes. I obviously know they were
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  Speaker 1: basically going for Gooni's et feel. You know, it was
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  Speaker 1: so clear that's exactly what they were trying to do,
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  Speaker 1: because all of the imagery just is so evocative of
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  Speaker 1: those classic Ambulance films, and yet it just felt so
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  Speaker 1: weird to me to kind of see that suburban setting
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  Speaker 1: in Star Wars and until we got it explained later
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  Speaker 1: on as to why that was the case. I think
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  Speaker 1: they make it work. But my first reaction was like, ugh,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know if this is gonna work right.
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  Speaker 1: But as with everything, you know, even the acolyte like
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  Speaker 1: I was willing to go in. I'm going to give
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  Speaker 1: the show a shot. I'm going to see what it does.
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  Speaker 1: And my wife and I had the exact same reaction
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  Speaker 1: that you did for episodes want to do just we'd
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  Speaker 1: kind of turn to each other and we're like, that
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  Speaker 1: was just fun, like, and the kids were great, the
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  Speaker 1: storyline felt fun. I mean, I think they did a
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  Speaker 1: great job by releasing two episodes at one time, because
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  Speaker 1: if they've only released one, it would have been really frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, truly the movie does feel like goonies,
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  Speaker 1: Peter Pan and Et have a baby, and this is
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  Speaker 1: what you get if you mix in Star Wars with
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  Speaker 1: that and so, and there was nothing wrong with that,
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  Speaker 1: and I think, you know, what it really showed is
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of times trailers just don't give you
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  Speaker 1: the right context for stuff because everything is presented without context, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so this show really helped in that and My
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  Speaker 1: first impressions were basically two. This is basically what they
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  Speaker 1: wanted for the Ewok films in the eighties on end Or,
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  Speaker 1: but they couldn't do yet. You know, they wanted that
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  Speaker 1: feel for those films is the same film this show
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  Speaker 1: gives you. They just weren't able to make that happen yet.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and we could always go back and
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  Speaker 2: say that they wanted those e Walk Adventures to feel
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  Speaker 2: that way, but they were limited in different ways than
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  Speaker 2: Skeleton Crew ever was. But I want to I want
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  Speaker 2: to double back to your whole Suburbia thing, and I
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  Speaker 2: want to share something. I don't know if I've ever
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  Speaker 2: shared this with you before, but we've had so many
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  Speaker 2: discussions and we've known each other for so many years.
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  Speaker 2: You know, maybe I did, maybe I didn't. But the
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  Speaker 2: way you're describing your reaction to, oh, that's Suburbia in
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars where like it. Initially you're like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how I feel about that, because I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: of most Sizley, and I'm thinking of best Bin, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of job as Palace and those sorts of things, which,
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  Speaker 2: when you think about it, are really sort of like
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  Speaker 2: closed in sets they're not very expansive in they're single,
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  Speaker 2: small areas. But I had a similar sort of reaction
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  Speaker 2: at first when I first saw the planet of Naboo
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  Speaker 2: in episode one. The very first time I saw the
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  Speaker 2: image of it on screen, it looked too much like Earth,
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  Speaker 2: and so this sort of varying actual functional planet with
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  Speaker 2: cloud patterns and land masses and water like messed with
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  Speaker 2: my head because I think what you're speaking to there,
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what makes Skeleton Crew a much
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  Speaker 2: bolder experiment, a much bolder show than people might want
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  Speaker 2: to give it credit for, is to give us something
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  Speaker 2: that is so familiar and repackage it as a sci
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  Speaker 2: Fi or Star Wars thing. I think people underestimate how
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  Speaker 2: big a hurdle that is, and the fact that they
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  Speaker 2: packaged it in such a way that I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: love to get your thoughts on this. I think what
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  Speaker 2: makes it work is they do exactly what Lucas did,
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  Speaker 2: which is it's what you know, just a little different.
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  Speaker 2: The X wing is the sound of a jet engine,
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  Speaker 2: but it's done in a different context. It's a little
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  Speaker 2: pitch adjustment and everything like that. So my ears are like,
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  Speaker 2: I know that sound and I feel like you look
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  Speaker 2: at these houses and you're like, yeah, okay, this feels
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  Speaker 2: like somewhere where I could live, but that's odd. But
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  Speaker 2: then I see like the way they cook their food
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  Speaker 2: or the way that they open their garage even, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's just different enough that I'm in
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  Speaker 2: that weird, that weird zone. And I think that's a
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  Speaker 2: very sort of like George Lucas way to do things well.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, one of the refrains I think that
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  Speaker 1: we've mentioned over and over and over again, especially on
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  Speaker 1: Aggressive Negotiations, is the way in which Lucas played with
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  Speaker 1: this idea in the Clone Wars and it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to take a genre, but we're going to
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  Speaker 1: make it Star Wars. And so basically what they did
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  Speaker 1: is they took the ambulance genre of eighties films and
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  Speaker 1: they're saying, we're making this star Wars, and they had
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  Speaker 1: to figure out the way to make that make sense,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you know, I will say too, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: when you think about this idea of planets and Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the amount of planets that we've been to
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  Speaker 1: is so in minuscule compared to the actual size of
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  Speaker 1: the galaxy. You know, when you think about that, it
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  Speaker 1: also makes sense that I mean, you know, we've actually
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  Speaker 1: never been to a planet like Schindrilla, which we know
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  Speaker 1: is you know, a very peaceful planet, a planet you
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  Speaker 1: know man Mathma is from, and you know, seems to
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  Speaker 1: be a very stable planet has been for as long
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  Speaker 1: as we know, you know, I mean even from before
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  Speaker 1: the Clone Wars, during the Clone Wars, after the Clone Wars,
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  Speaker 1: and during the Empire. Obviously, this is a place that
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  Speaker 1: seems to be able to keep its identity right. And
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  Speaker 1: we know too from and Or. It's a planet that
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  Speaker 1: has a rich history. It has a rich kind of
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  Speaker 1: culture to it as well. And it's so it almost
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  Speaker 1: seems like the type of place that might look a
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  Speaker 1: little bit like this actually, because it's just kind of
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  Speaker 1: like an every day normal planet that people live on
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  Speaker 1: that that hasn't been ravaged by war or isn't built
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  Speaker 1: you know, on a place where it's just all desert
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  Speaker 1: or it's all forest, or it seems to be built
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  Speaker 1: on kind of like a normal to quote the other
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  Speaker 1: star franchise, M Class World, Right, it's like just like
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  Speaker 1: every normal planet, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that the appeal of that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things where I think it
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  Speaker 2: let me enjoy something from the very beginning more. And
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  Speaker 2: it was the idea that there would be a kid
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  Speaker 2: so enamored of the stories of the Jedi that we
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  Speaker 2: would see how the Jedi had been portrayed as legends
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  Speaker 2: in kid materials even and the way a kid would
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  Speaker 2: would have that dream, which makes it immediately accessible to
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  Speaker 2: us as an audience, the old especially the older people
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  Speaker 2: in the audience to be like, oh yeah, I remember
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  Speaker 2: sitting there and reading those stories books and thinking, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I want to be a Jedi, And so it makes
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  Speaker 2: that kid immediately relatable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that another thing that it does really
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  Speaker 2: really well is we are very used to Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: presenting us with found family, but this show goes out
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  Speaker 2: of its way to present simply family and all different
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  Speaker 2: types of family. And I thought that was really great too,
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  Speaker 2: because it shows well, family still exists. Not everybody has
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  Speaker 2: to be an orphan or born of the Force or
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  Speaker 2: smuggler or anything like that. They are going to be
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  Speaker 2: just average people out there who are just kids fighting
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  Speaker 2: against their parents, a single dad who's in over his head,
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  Speaker 2: and works too long a you know, a loving family
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  Speaker 2: that's supportive or you know, whoever it is is they
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  Speaker 2: are people with the same sort of hopes and dreams.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what that's actually what made Star Wars appeal
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  Speaker 2: so much back in seven. As Luke came from, Yeah
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  Speaker 2: it was an aunt and uncle, but he's just a
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  Speaker 2: kid on a farm somewhere like that taps into that
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  Speaker 2: seventy seven energy big time.
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  Speaker 1: No, I agree with that, And you know, again, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, you know, the point of the story is
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  Speaker 1: to tell a slightly different type of Star Wars story,
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  Speaker 1: and so, you know, I think you saying that just
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  Speaker 1: really makes me think of the idea, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: kids in the story and their exploration of the world
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  Speaker 1: right there, they're coming into the galaxy, their introduction to
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  Speaker 1: the galaxy. That's the story, right that these kids kind
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  Speaker 1: of stumble into what Obi Wan would call a much
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  Speaker 1: larger world. And what they realize then is that the universe,
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  Speaker 1: because they've been so sheltered, is so much different, so
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  Speaker 1: much bigger, so much crazier, so much more dangerous, but
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  Speaker 1: also so much more wonderful than they could have ever
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  Speaker 1: possibly imagined. And I think in some ways. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when we talk about the idea of you know, Lucas
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  Speaker 1: using the hero's story, this is the story of maturity,
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  Speaker 1: of growing into maturity, from from childhood to adulthood. That
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  Speaker 1: and it's that point at which you realize, my parents
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  Speaker 1: don't know everything and the world is a lot more
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  Speaker 1: dangerous and wonderful than I ever possibly imagined. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the story we get. And in many ways, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of a classic storytelling trope that they're using here.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a part of that hero's journey to kind
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  Speaker 1: of like explore the much larger world and find your
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  Speaker 1: place in it. And I think that's the other thing
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  Speaker 1: that makes this really an accessible show, because it's that
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  Speaker 1: the element to which kids can gravitate towards what it's
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  Speaker 1: also the thing that adults can can also. You don't
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  Speaker 1: even have to have kids, but you can remember what
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  Speaker 1: it was like to be the kid and think you
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  Speaker 1: knew everything about the world and then just kind of
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  Speaker 1: get smacked upside the head and realize, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know anything, right. And I think that that's the thing
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  Speaker 1: that the show and the writing really do so well
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  Speaker 1: as they bring that out. But they also make it
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  Speaker 1: a journey that's enjoyable to be on. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: other thing about that, right, is that they specifically know
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  Speaker 1: the type of story that they're trying to tell, which
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  Speaker 1: is that story of becoming a grown up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: growing up. And therefore there's fun, there's adventure, there's some
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  Speaker 1: scares and all that, but that's the type of story
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to tell. And the beauty of that is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it shows how Star Wars can encompass all
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  Speaker 1: of these different types of storytelling and as long as
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  Speaker 1: you tell the story well, it works, right because this
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be and Or, and Skeleton Crew doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have and and Or doesn't have to try to be
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  Speaker 1: Skeleton Crew. They can both coexist in the same universe.
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  Speaker 1: But they're just telling different types of stories. And the
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  Speaker 1: reason they work is because the writers have really keyed
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  Speaker 1: into what the thematic elements are, and that growing up
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  Speaker 1: thematic element here is just it's so much fun.
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  Speaker 2: But it's worth noting that no matter how well you
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  Speaker 2: write it, and they do write it very well, you
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  Speaker 2: need the right cast to pull this off. And whoever,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the casting director's name off the top
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  Speaker 2: of my head. I should have looked it back up.
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  Speaker 2: But that person deserves a medal like a big old
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  Speaker 2: They deserve Princess Leiah putting a metal over their shoulders.
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  Speaker 2: Because the casting of these kids, these core kids, if
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  Speaker 2: it didn't work, a whole show is a disaster. The
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  Speaker 2: whole show at best is a you know, an interesting
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  Speaker 2: curio sort of thing. These kids are amazing. You mentioned
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  Speaker 2: Stranger Things before, and it's the same thing that made
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  Speaker 2: Stranger Things work. Was they cast it really well, Like
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  Speaker 2: that was everything to that show. If they hadn't gotten
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  Speaker 2: the kids that they did, everything falls apart, no matter
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  Speaker 2: how good the parents are, no matter how good the
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  Speaker 2: villain is, no matter how good the effects are. And
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  Speaker 2: so I think that every last one of these young
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  Speaker 2: people that played the kids in this show are just
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  Speaker 2: absolutely set up, Like what a calling card to have
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  Speaker 2: on your resume at this point, and I could sing
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  Speaker 2: their praises just you know, from now until the end
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  Speaker 2: of time, because I will go back and watch this
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  Speaker 2: show simply because their performances were so good that I
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  Speaker 2: believe in these kids and I like them, like I
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  Speaker 2: like all of these kids. Everybody has a favorite one
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  Speaker 2: of the kids I have. I think a surprise favorite
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  Speaker 2: of the kids. But I think that all of these
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  Speaker 2: kids are just an They're an absolute delight.
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  Speaker 1: I could not agree with you more And I think
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  Speaker 1: that you said it perfectly and compared it to the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: perfect show, because yes, I mean, this is a show
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: that's about the kids. You know, Jude Law may be
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the big name, but the story really belongs to these kids,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and if they don't work, this show would suck because
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: they have to be able to carry almost every single
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: scene that they're in, and they have to be able
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to carry it in a way that when they are
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: standing next to Jude Law, you don't forget that they exist,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that they are as just important a character in the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: show as he is. And so no, I am right
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: there with you. I think the casting is fantastic. I
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: really enjoyed all of the kids, you know. I mean,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the boy who plays Whim does such a great job
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: just kind of like making him kind of annoying at
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, and slowly, but surely is
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that character type starts to mature, right, he becomes an
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: even more likable character, you know, you know Fern who's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: just kind of like bossy and thinks she knows everything
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that her softening is wonderful. And the fact that the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: voice of Neil, he doesn't even get to play the character,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: he just gets to be the voice and you there's
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: never a disconnect between him and his performance artist is astounding.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: It is astounding because the voice was right for the character. Yes,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: like it's sort of it's not a one to one everybody,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you know, don't don't come at me with pitchforks here,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: but it's along the same lines of getting the right
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: voice for Vader. If Vader doesn't have the right voice,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: he's just a weird dude in a in a helmet, right.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Getting that voice was like, oh now he's a villain.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Now he's an amazing villain. Getting Neil's voice right super key.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And I mean that, you know, the performance in the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: suit was wonderful. But you know, again, this is a
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: hat tip because there's a lot of technical accomplishment on
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: this show. This is a hat tip to the sound
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: designers and the sound engineer and all that, all of
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: those people, the sound people that worked on the show.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Neil sounded like he was on set with them. That's key.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: You.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: That is a very easy thing to screw up. And
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: have it sound like somebody recorded later, but they got
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the you know, the the ambient sound of the voice
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: just right that I sat there the whole time thinking
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: to myself, oh, well, okay, that the person in the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: suit must be the kid then, because it matched up
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: so perfectly and it sounded so right, I knew it
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: couldn't have been. But I was like, you know, it's
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: sort of like the we all know how the magic
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: trick is done, but if you do the magic trick, well,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: we appreciate it even more sort of thing. And I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: think that the the girl who plays KB, she I
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: think I think she is, unfortunately the cast member that
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: is most likely to get sort of overlooked over time.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: You know, people gravitate to Whim, they love Fern, they
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: gravitate toward Neil Neil Gott an instant fan base. Yeah
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: like a instant fan base. Yeah, Neil nation is out there.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: But KB, she did such a good job of playing
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: a strong but very vulnerable girl, and that the key
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: scene was between her and Whim when she's sitting there
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and her life's literally on the line and she has
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to convey to Whim, this is how you have to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: save my life. You wanted to be a hero, right,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: and just that idea a hero, Yeah, something like that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: But but just just the fact that, just the fact
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: that she and you know, the the young boy who
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: plays whim are able to carry that scene like that's
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a really big dramatic scene to carry and they do
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: it with, you know, very deft grace. But if I
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: recall correctly, also, that episode was directed by Bryce Dallas Howard.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And you know you have a top top tiers, I
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: mean not in Star Wars. Seriously, give that woman a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Star Wars film. How many times do we have to
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: say it?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: If we keep having to say it, I'm gonna get
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: really upset in a few years. Well, and so.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: You ask, you ask if she can do any wrong?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And the reason I said not in Star Wars is
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I would not let her near a cloning facility with dinosaurs.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I think she makes bad decisions.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: True, this is true. No, I agree, I agree with you. There,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's an excellent point. But you know, I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: think that one of the things you mentioned there with
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: with KB, you know, you said that you might have
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: potestly had a favorite of the kids, and and actually
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: she's my favorite, and I think it's because she has
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the most interesting story, because there's this background for having
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: this accident, and and basically she's a child who isn't
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: like all the other kids, and she does have this
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: disability basically that keeps her in a place where she's
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: constantly fearful if she doesn't get the maintenance that she
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: needs in the same way a child that needs a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: specific type of medication and is dependent on that for
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: their life. Right, And so I thought, again, she just
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: does such a good job. And again her story arc too,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: And the beauty of that was is in that moment
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: with Whim where she, you know, has this she's terrified
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: because she could die, and yet at the same time
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: she's encouraging him to be the very thing that he's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: wanted to be all of his life. And then the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: moment that she's okay, when she's like thanks, Jedi, it's
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it's the like she is the person who has taken
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: her pain and her suffering and her trial and found
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a way to be able to turn that around and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: benefit other people, to learn that life isn't just about me.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's about helping other people become a version of themself
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that they might not know they can be, you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and because she's had to do that already at a
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: very young age, she's had to overcome so much, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: so I just I she's my favorite. So do you
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: have a favorite of the kids?
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to pick, but I actually wind
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: up gravitating toward Fern because I think that the idea
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of the kid who or any person who is trying
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: so hard to be the responsible one and be mature
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and grown up and then at the end of the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: day is just as afraid and confused and scared as
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: everybody else, and the journey is about understanding that and
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: then getting to a point where you allow yourself to
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: feel it but still do what needs to be done.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I think that's a really important type of character for anybody,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and I think it's a really important character for kids
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to understand, especially young girls, where it's you don't have
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: to be tough as nail to make it in the world.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: You can be a fully realized human being in touch
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: with your emotions, so long as like the Jedi, you say, Okay,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: this is what I'm feeling, but in this moment right now,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I have to, you know, push that aside and get
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: things across and seeing her go from this very rebellious
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: but at the same time sort of carbon copy of
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: her mom, you know, who's always trying to command the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: situation and be in charge and present a certain thing
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and become fully comfortable in who she needs to be.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: You know. I like Fern. I like her journey a
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: whole lot. This takes nothing away Neil Nation, please don't
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: come for me. I love Neil too. I want to
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: get a Neil action figure because I think he's just
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: he's so cute, like, you know, like, yeah, he's he's like,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: you know, he's like the little heart, the surprise heart
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: throb from any show where it's like, oh, everybody loves
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: this kid is great, but they had to have known law. Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: No. Neil reminds me of Neville from the Harry Potter series,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: where you know, he's the lovable finder of like kid
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: who everybody just thinks down upon. You know, Uh, the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: kids that are cool like KB and Fern, Right, they
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: would see somebody like Neil and just be like, oh, dude,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you know, but it turns into a character to which
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you know, rises to the occasion in the end, and
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and and just like all of the other kids grows,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and I think that was just incredibly interesting and and okay,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: so their counter part two the show is who turns
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: out to be the main villain and legitimately stays actually
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the villain the entire time. We don't get a redemption
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: arc with Jod, and so I'm really interested to see
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: what you thought of Jude Law as this character, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: especially when we you know, we slowly get hints about
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: what his actual story is and you know, what's happened
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to him, and you know, I somebody who is as
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: charming as all get out, but also you know, just
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: as dangerous and as selfish as all get.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Out, Yes, extremely selfish. I think that before we recorded,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you know, I was talking with a friend of mine
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: and he actually mentioned how he didn't like the way
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Jod wound up being quote unquote as villainous as he did,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: threatening to cut people up, you know, willing to with
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the kids at risk, willing to kill people, those sorts
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: of things, And all I could think was, he's a pirate.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And what it exposed to me is what Jude Law
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: does is he uses that natural charm that he has
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: to lean into where we all want this character to
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: go which is lovable heart of gold. He's not really
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: a bad guy. But then the lesson by the end
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: of the show is no, sometimes people are just jerks.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just bad. You can't bank everything on an
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: eleventh hour conversion sort of thing, and John never hides
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: what his motivations are. He's a manipulator, he's a liar,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: he's everything that you think he is. And I think
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Jude Law, it's obvious to me Jude Law is having
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: tremendous fun in this show getting to be that type
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: of villain. He's a mustache twirler. And then when he
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: has the lightsaber at the end and having that juxtaposition
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: of good guy blue lightsaber being used badly, it is
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: visually evocative of Anakin. Right, you've got the wrong color lightsaber.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be read like that, but no, he's
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: carrying a blue one. So it's that extra sense of
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: you know, discord that really makes him pop out. I
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: think he's a great character. I thought Jude Law did
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: a great job with him.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: No, I could agree with you more. I mean it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: interesting that Jude Law actually played Captain hook In Peter
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: panted Wendy over on the Disney plus app movie that
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: came out, So, I mean, he's basically playing that character, right,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: And what I find fascinating is that, if you've ever
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: read the original Peter Pan by jam Barry Hook is
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a is a tragic character, right because what he truly
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: wants is the thing that Peter can never have, which
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: is he wants somebody to love him. And Peter rejects
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the love of Wendy and to grow up and to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: have all of those things. And it's the thing that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Hook can never have because nobody will love him right
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: because of who he is. And I feel like, you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that's I mean, Jod's background of being somebody who was
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: found by a Jedi began to be trained and then
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: she dies and then he's left by himself is tragic, right,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's it's basically, you know what
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: happens to Oliver twist if all of her twist doesn't
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: turn it around?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: What if he just continues to be a thief?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: What happens to as Sage Ventris if Douku never finds her,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: right like that that sort of thing of like, oh wow,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: this is a this is a very not good thing,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and just that idea of how many stories they open
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: themselves up to, because it's it's that certain point of
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: view thing. It's that wiggle room where everybody says, oh,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I thought that the Emperor wiped out all of the Jedi,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: well all of the official ones. But there if there's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: one job out there, there's another. How many people are
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: out there being like Jod who have the tragic backstory,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and the way that they deal with it is simply
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: to say, Okay, you know what, life sucks, nothing's fair.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I might as well just take whatever I want to.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I don't care about being selfish because the universe took
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: everything from me. I don't know anybody anything. I'm just
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: going to do what I want to do. And then,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: of course the purpose of the story is to teach
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: you that you still don't win in.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: The end, right though, and which is like is his story? Right?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: The show begins with him losing everything after he thinks
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: he's going to have his biggest score ever, and the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: show ends with him losing everything after he's actually has
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: made the biggest score ever recorded in the entire store
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Worse Galaxy? Right, Like could you get any more money
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: than that?
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: No?
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Like there is you know, so, I mean, I think
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that's the beauty though, But there is this thing that
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I think Jude Law in his portrayal gives you enough
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: to say he doesn't actually really want to hurt anybody,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: And he actually doesn't hurt anybody except for a couple
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: of the actual pirates, right. He never actually hurts the kids.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think he wants to do that.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I think he just wants his money and that's really
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: all he wants. But at the same time, he's the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: character who will rationalize his behavior to get what he wants.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And that's right, He's he's gonna he's gonna give them
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: tons of chances, yes, and that if those chances run out, well,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: look at how lenient I was. I gave you a
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: thousand chances. He didn't give him two chances. He gave
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: him a thousand chances. And then if he has to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: do something bad, well, you know what, why didn't you
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: get the point you made me do this? He has
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: typical reversal thinking on that.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I just think it's one of
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: those things where in some ways I'm glad that we
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: didn't get the reversal because I think you know, sometimes
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Star Wars can almost lean too much into the fact
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that everybody's redeemed instead of allowing us to remember that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: there are people who just choose evil for evil's sake
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and don't want to turn And so I think that
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that actually makes this a really interesting storting. If we
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: never see John again as a character, because you know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: we maybe don't get a season two or he just
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't show up in any anything else, I think that
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that makes for an incredibly interesting story of a character
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: who just and it fits so well with George Lucas's
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: thing that the world the Galaxy runs better if you
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: tend to be more selfless than selfish, because that selfishness
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: ends up leaving you exactly like Jod is at the end,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: alone with no one, and yep, that's not what he
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: wants really.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned that the season two thing, and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I just want to take like a brief second, right
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: because I talked about the problem my friend had with
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Jod's arc, which obviously you and I don't, but when
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: we're in here, we might not get a season two. Please,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: if anybody's listening, I want a season two so bad.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Come on, you can do this. I know you can
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: do this. It's reasonable act now before these kids grow up,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: or give me books or give me comics, or give
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: me something set here. And I think that additionally that
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: talking about if there's going to be season two, continue
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: with John, continue with the kids. Is what was fasting
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to me talking to my friend, is how people have
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: lost the ability overall. And I'm not saying this to
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: trash anyone or anything like that, but you know the
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: questions of, well, how did that ship get past there
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: in the first place, how did the pirates steal it?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Oh well, how where was the money going? Oh well,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: you expect me to believe that nobody remembered where this
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: planet was when it had orders about Order sixty six
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: in its data banks? And what about this? What about that?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: And I suddenly realized what's robbed so much joy from
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: people is that you go back to the original Star Wars,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: it's in the middle of the action. We didn't see
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: the empire rise, we didn't see Anakin's fall, we didn't
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: see all of these things in the backstory. We don't
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: see what happens after they get their medals, anything like that,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And everybody was happy as pigs and slop and this
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: show I credit and I love the fact that they
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: engaged us enough that I sit there and I do
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: ask those questions, well, wait a minute, what about this?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Well wait a minute, what about that? But it doesn't
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: upset me. It makes me lay with it, It makes me
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: engage with it. It makes me keep thinking about the
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: show because I realize I like it more than I
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: even thought, because I want the answers to those questions.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I want to sit around and talk about, Well, where
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: how did they get it off there?
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Why didn't anybody from the empire go over to this
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: money minting planet because they probably could have used it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Why how did it get a race from the records?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: It must have been a race from the records. How
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: could it do this? How could it do that? And
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: what's the great work? I don't know what the great
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: work is. That's fun to speculate about as well. I
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: suspect it's probably tied to like The Great Republic or
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: the High Republic or whatever it was called that series.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: It is the great work.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Tied to that Cheech and Chong's High Republic.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, I got High Republic, So great Work is a
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: reference to the High Republic. Okay, But the thing is
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: that's great. But all people have to say is, oh,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: we're dedicated to the great work. And I could be like, oh, okay,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: well they have some sort of sense of purpose about
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: If I'm interested, I can go read about it, or
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I can just say, okay, well they just told me
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: what they do for a living. Okay, cool?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: You know well, and I think so like you, I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: think this show could absolutely have a season two. I
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: think it would be really fun if it doesn't. The
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: beauty of this show is that it tells a full
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: story as was being told. And you know, the rumor
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is these kids might show up in like Filoni's movie
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: or something like that. All that stuffould be great at
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: But I do think it is fun in the sense that,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: you know, there are all of these new mysteries that
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the show creates around the Star Wars galaxy, right, like
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the mystery of Atnat, the mystery of Aten, and you
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: know exactly how that planet got lost to time as
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the empire came to Rye, it rose to power, which
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you know, when you're you're you're reading something like Mask
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of Fear, which is about to come out, and I've
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: gotten a chance to read, it's like it's not that
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: hard to understand how that could happen as the Empire
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: takes over and and and things just get lost in
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the shuffle, you know, especially when the planet is literally
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: hidden behind a planet an illusion that makes it look
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: like a gas giant. Uh, you know, the the the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Old Republic like you're talking about with what is exactly
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: their part in the great work? You know? And and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: how does all of that work? You know? I love that, right,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: It's but it's the same type of thing that the
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Ahsoka series did. They don't answer all of the questions
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: about the other galaxy and what happened to that galaxy
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, and it it it's a
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: part of the joy of like being in a big
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: universe where we can tell all different types of stories
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: and and it's those new mysteries that in some ways
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: that you know.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Chris and I have talked about many times on the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: ORB talking about Star trek Te's Phase nine where that
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: show it was clear so much of the time that
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the writers didn't necessarily they They've said it right up front,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you know. Uh, these days, if you if you're if
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you read an interview with them, it's like They didn't
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: know exactly where they were going, they didn't have it
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: all planned out, but they wrote themselves enough threads to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: be able to pull on that they could do that,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and and and and then they just began to pull
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: on those different threads and see what the implications of
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: pulling on them would be. And I think that's what,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: you know, a show like this is kind of done.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: It's put some threads out there that you could totally
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: pull on and see what the implications of pulling on
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: them would be. But at the same time, you don't
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: actually have to have them, because that's not the point
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: of the show. The point of the show was to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: tell the story of these kids growing up into a
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: much larger world. That's the show, and everything else is
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: just the icing on top, right, And I think you're
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: absolutely right to point out that it's just in some
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: ways it's it's like you know, and and I think
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Star Wars fans can be a problem in this is
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: because we want everything explained. But so to Star Trek fans,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and so to Marvel fans, and so to DC fans.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've just gotten used to everything being explained
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: to us instead of allowing stories to have mystery and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: being and having fun with the mystery.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Right absolutely, and it's it's funny just to show that
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: it goes, you know, across the spectrum. I have another friend,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: and the thing that he criticizes, for instance, about Rise
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: of Skywalker is he says, Oh, it's so silly how
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: the Emperor uses space magic to bring this fleet up.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: And I look at him and I'm like, that's your
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: problem with it? You want of the Star Destroyers explained, Like, Okay,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: you know that's the thing I'm at least concerned about Concerted,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the fact.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: That they use space magic for the Emperor to come
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: back from the.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Debt, Like okay, sure, you know, yeah, that's the thing
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: of but yeah, I you know, obviously I I agree
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: with you. But it's what's so great is this is
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: also getting back to the idea that I'm not going
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: to mention any other shows, whether it's this franchise or
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: any other franchise. Again, it's the idea of exploring and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: discovering and the sense, like you're talking about with the threads,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: that no matter where I go with it, there's all
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: always more to learn. Just like the real world, I'm
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: never going to know everything on the planet. I'm never
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: going to know every tradition or custom or place or
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: artifact or history or anything like that. That's impossible. All
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: of the stuff that I have is a really fascinating
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: picture of stories in time. But I can't put it
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: all together, you know. And there are certain things where
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I have to say, you know what, eh, and I know
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: enough about that I don't need to know every detail
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: about it. I just know that it existed, and that's fine.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: How many times do we make that agreement in life?
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And I think what it is is, you know, with
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: those sorts of mysteries that are there to explore and
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: everything like that, you get to the sort of thing
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: where you were talking about where like with the parents,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the kids growing up and realizing, oh, our parents don't
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: know everything, and you realize, I think that there's another
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: great moment lesson in here that the parents are forced
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: to concede that they don't know. They go around acting
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: like they're all powerful, that what they do is super important,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: that what they do is this, what they do is
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: that they know everything that's going on. They don't need
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: to know anything more. They can stop learning, they can
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: just walk away from it. And it creates these these
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: parents that I think it's a trap that, you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: speaking as a parent, you can easily fall into. You
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: stop growing and you stop learning. The world is the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: way that it is, and I don't want to know
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: anything else because I do this and this is what
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I'm here for and that's it, and we're not going
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: to talk about it. Like that's that's where I see
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: these parents And you know what an easy trap to
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: fall into.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that you said that, because the whole
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: thrust of the story it really I turned in my
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: life and I was like, is this oh, basically a
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: whole show about helicopter parenting? And uh, the idea that
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: everything is is so controlled down to the idea that
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna test our kids and then they're gonna,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna go into this specific thing because
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of that test, you know that there's no curiosity anymore.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And I mean part of that too, is is is
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: really this this you know, communist dream that we're we've
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: run this this planet, uh you know by how uh?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And uh it's I mean it's run by a droid
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: consciousness AI thing that just keeps everybody in line, and
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: there's no freedom to explore, to try things, to branch out,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and all of that and and and part of that
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: too is because the the the the whole life that
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: they have is based on a lie and instead of
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the truth. And and in the end, I think all
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: of those thematic elements kind of turn themselves into this
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: this you know, meditation on parenting, right, you know, of
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you know, are are we lying to our kids and
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: not really giving them truth? Or are we just trying
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to control them? Are we trying to keep them safe
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: from everything when that's not even possible. And instead of
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: allowing them to, you know, experience mistakes while they're in
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: our home where we can help them grow past those mistakes,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: we're trying to you know, make sure that don't even
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: get a booboo, you know. And it's like the bumps
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: and the bruises and the trials of life and the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: frustrations and the heartache and all of that stuff is
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: the very thing that makes us ready to launch ourselves
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: into the world at some point. And again, you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: that's where the story of the parents and the story
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: of the children collide, right. It's about them growing up
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: into a much larger world. But in some ways. It's
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: also about the parents realizing that they have been stuck.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: They have been you know, kind of stagnant and stilted,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: and everybody's arrested developed on this planet because there has
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: been no development, and it's allowed them to be safe,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: but it also hasn't really allowed them to live.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I like the fact that where you're pointing
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: is it's so beautiful on the planet. Everything's so clean,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: everything's so orderly, everything's so perfect, everything's run so well.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: That one of the things that the show lets you
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: realize as you're going and they don't hit you over
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the head with it, is the fact that this is
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: a Stepford Wives, or even better, just sort of like
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: a it's almost like a Futurama type of situation, because
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: that's the beautiful thing I love about Futurama is it's
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: in this future, you know, the year three thousand, and
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: everybody basically is just openly comfortable with living in this
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: dystopian nightmare that, when you really break it down, is awful,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: right you have, Oh, these droids are here for your safety. Well, no,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: they're there to keep you from doing anything that's not approved,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: and you're constantly monitored and you have, Like you said,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: they've seeded their own autonomy off to and how topical
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: is this to a machine learning tool that keeps everything
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: running and efficient, but at the cost of everything being
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: hideously sterile. I mean, I would love to peel apart
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: what happens on at Aten once that central processing core
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: is gone. Yeah, and they have to find Like I
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: would love even if you're not going to give me
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: a season two, give me a book on at Aten
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: that teaches me what happens after this, because I think
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: you have a microcosm here of what happens with the
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Empire or the Republic when they fall. Is it going
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: to be chaos? Because we're learning now it's chaos. Yes,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: We've got chaos everywhere, and the Republic can't keep up
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: with it, and we're stuck with going out there. And
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: you know, pirates are everywhere, and problems exist all over
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: the place. And for all of the great things I
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: might encounter, you know, all all of those sorts of
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: things like but just that desire to control everything should
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: be programmed and perfect and never vary.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, I mean, you know, the whole
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: thought process around the pirate's life. I'm kind of interested
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: to see what you kind of thought about just getting
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: a chance to explore more of the pirate world the underworld,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: especially in this New Republic era, and because you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: obviously both of us are fans of of Solo and
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: kind of wanted more in that. But it's interesting to
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: me because the pirate life and the underworld life they
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: seem very different. And what I loved is that there
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: is a distinction between those two, and to me, that
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: was the most fun about, like getting to hang out
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: with these pirates, and obviously, you know, there's there's so
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: much about them that's based off of something like Peter
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Pan or the Pirates of the Caribbean and that kind
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: of thing, but I was very much enjoying basically that
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: we truly got an opportunity to visit a part of
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: the Star Wars universe that we really truly haven't spent
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: very much time with.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: And this is exactly where the old Expanded Universe fell
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: down in all of the books that came out in
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: the nineties, is all that did was just be concerned
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: with the New Republic and those sorts of things in
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: the Great Big Threat. This is much more interesting and
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: much more believable because when the Empire falls, it's just
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: like when the Soviet Union collapsed, Eastern Europe lost its mind.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: All of this stuff that had been kept under wraps
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: and controlled, and everything went nuts and it became a
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: very dangerous world very quickly. Yeah, it's hard to describe
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: because everybody looks back. Everybody looks back with rose colored
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: glasses on the nineteen nineties, and I can tell you
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of tension about where the world
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: was headed because all of the sudden there was no
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: control anymore in a certain part of the world which
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: had had all of this bottled up chaos for a
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: very long time. That is not to say anything bad
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: against real people in the real world. Is just that's
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the way the world was, and at least in Europe.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: But you're right, exploring this is so much more interesting.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Seeing why the New Republic can't get its act together,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: seeing why there are all of these issues out there
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: is so much more interesting because I don't know where
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: it goes. I don't know the endless possibilities with it
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: if you come back in. And I swear I'm not
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: doing this to throw shade, but one of the disappointing
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: things about The Force Awakens was Empire two point zero,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I've seen this before. That's not
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: particularly interesting to me. Empire two point oh eh, okay,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Pirates and Chaos. Okay, well that's interesting because the story
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: possibilities are endless.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: That and when you give me Kelly McDonald as a pirate,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I need more of that character pronto because I can
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: listen to her talk forever aka Mereda from Brave. So
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: the Disney Princess has found her way into another Disney
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: princess has found their way into Star Wars, and so no,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. And part of that,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it's like it's it's also kind of the thing that
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: we loved about something like the Clone Wars, the Bad
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Batch and Rebels, where it was allowing us to explore
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: lots of different parts of the galaxy. And you know
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the Clone Wars, right, you gave us Hondo and really
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: opened up the world to that, and of course then
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: he continues into Rebels and so great character and we
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: love Hondo, right, And so this basically just built on
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: what had already been done but allowed us to truly
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: spend an extended amount of time I'm with them, which
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I thought was great. The other part of this show
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: John other than and Or. I have to say, and
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: this is not a knock on any of the other shows,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: because I still think, you know, they look pretty good.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: But this production value was absolute top notch. And even
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the volume work I thought here was phenomenal. This show
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: looks great.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I thought there were parts with the Volume that let
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: me down a little bit. But I tend to be
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: hyper critical of things. Sometimes. I own that about myself, right,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: and I know that I can be. I am no
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: more observant than anybody else, but I'm the type of
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: person that goes into something like the Volume or blue
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Screen or anything like that, and I walk in and
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I'm immediately sitting there saying, no, you can't like it's
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: a it's sickness. It's a sickness in my head. But
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: where I think the the production really shines is in
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: certain effects choices they make really help sell it, and
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: also the design choices they make when they go off
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: and they dock and they go off on the the
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: the little ferry to get to the pirate Way station,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: and there's clear like scotch tape on the bubble or
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: you know, that's a tremendous choice. When I see the
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: designs of the ships, when I see that they've thought
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: about the way that tether would behave and it behaves
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: the way I expect a tether to behave. That is
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: a huge effects when for me because I believe that
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: thing exists. I believe forgive me for forgetting her name.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: The moment, the the the little owl creature that's like, oh,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: grow from dark Crystal. Yeah, yeah, that was that effects
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: work blew my mind like that is that is an
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: immediate favorite side character right there. Like people went nuts
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: for Neil, I went nuts for that character because I was.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I was just absolutely mind blown on how good that
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: looked and how well it worked. Yeah, total a game.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: But boy, I'll tell you what the uh the stop
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: motion crab was. It filled me with so much joy
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: to see that work because it was exactly the type
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: of old school corny monster I expect in Star Wars
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: and realized so completely that I didn't doubt its existence.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't look for the strings, I didn't look for
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: the mattline or anything like that. I just sat there going, oh,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: that is so neat, And so I think that there
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: were a lot of effects decisions that really really succeeded here.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: And I think that I will concede that while I
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: don't think that all of the volume stuff was as
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: successful as I would have liked, it's as successful use
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: of the volume as I've seen up to this point,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: with a couple of exceptions in you know, some Mandalorian
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: episodes and stuff like that. Because on the whole it
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: was very convincing. And you know, and I mean the
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: effects work with SME SM thirty three, that was some
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: next level stuff, man, absolutely next level.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: The fact that his name is SM thirty three, which
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: is basically SME is fantastic.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: So perfect.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: So I agree with you and what you said in
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: the sense that this is the most effective volume work
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: they've done yet, which I that that's where it was
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: just like it. It felt more seamless than it has before. Uh,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the part that was great. The
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: fact that the Tippett Studio named that's the stop motion
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: crab Tetanus. It's phenomenal, It's brilliant. The design of the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Onyx Sender both styles were phenomenal. They yeah, I mean
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: that I need because they created the lego version of
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the first style. Now I need the second style because
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: it's it's just beautiful. And then like you said, you know,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: adding these kind of new, crazy looking characters, it was awesome.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that we went to that that
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: new Spa planet was great.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Can I just say that the Spa planet they go
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: to and that Spa realization again, please, nobody come at
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: with with pitchforks. It's what they were trying to do
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: with Canto Bite exactly.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: In fact, one of the aliens from Canto Bite was there.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: But this is so much more successful, so much more successful.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I will even say that comparing the lightsaber hilt that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: they created here.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: So good man, so good.
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  Speaker 2: It's obviously evocative of the lightsaber hilts from the High
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  Speaker 2: Republic era that I didn't like the way they built
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  Speaker 2: them in the Acolyte. I had specific complaints about them,
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  Speaker 2: and this one I saw and I said, well, if
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  Speaker 2: all of them had looked like that, I would have
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  Speaker 2: totally been down with it. I would have loved all
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  Speaker 2: of those lightsaber hilts because that was great, and I
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  Speaker 2: even love the fact that they had they gave it
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  Speaker 2: the the sound, gave it the wavering, unstable sound that
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  Speaker 2: Kylo Renz lightsaber had. Yeah, and that was that was
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  Speaker 2: a great touch. Well, it just gave the idea of
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  Speaker 2: the lightsaber had not been maintained in so long, that
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  Speaker 2: it should sound like that. It shouldn't sound like a
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  Speaker 2: perfect lightsaber, it should sound like something that needs a
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  Speaker 2: little maintenance work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I agree, and and you know, just
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  Speaker 1: everything about it was was wonderful in that sense. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that the top notch design work. It's the it's
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  Speaker 1: the type of design work that we do expect from
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  Speaker 1: from Star Wars, right and yeah, and so yes we do.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's clear here. You know, we have
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  Speaker 1: not really given praise to the directors or the creator,
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  Speaker 1: but John Watts, you know who brought us the Spider
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  Speaker 1: Man films and the Marvel Cinematic universe, gave us this show.
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  Speaker 1: And then all of the directors that they pulled in.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we already mentioned Bryce Dallice Howard, which if
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  Speaker 1: you don't give for Star Wars, you know movie soon
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  Speaker 1: we riot.
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  Speaker 2: What what is? What is? What are we doing that?
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  Speaker 1: But it did show, uh that Watts, with the help
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  Speaker 1: of Favreau and Filoni, really created something that works. And
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  Speaker 1: you know it this is the beauty of of of
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  Speaker 1: the you know what we can do with Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and and you know, we've had many people
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  Speaker 1: that we know that have called for Star Wars that
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  Speaker 1: just isn't built around Jedi and Sith and stuff. And again,
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  Speaker 1: this is a show like The Mandalorian that is doing that,
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  Speaker 1: uh and shows that it can work really well. And
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  Speaker 1: I think a big part of that, Like every Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars show or movie, you need the music to really
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  Speaker 1: kind of help sell it. And this time we get
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  Speaker 1: Mick Giacchino, who is the son of Michael who gave
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  Speaker 1: us Row one, and man, I mean does he nail
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  Speaker 1: the music because basically it just sounds like et and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Goonies and hook and Home Alone and all of those
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  Speaker 1: type of things had a baby. And that's the sound
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  Speaker 1: we get. And it's great. It's just the perfect the
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  Speaker 1: symphonic sound that he creates is the perfect merriment with
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  Speaker 1: what's going on on screen, and it's great. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: There's only thing one thing I wish is that I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: wish that these shows basically had a full introductory theme
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  Speaker 1: as like credits sequence basically that had the full theme
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  Speaker 1: because Star Wars works so well with the full theme,
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  Speaker 1: but you know when we yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's great, Yeah, right, an overture, And I think that
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  Speaker 2: what it is is we're just victims of the current
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  Speaker 2: era where people don't have the patience for theme songs anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And Mandalorian kind of got there like a middle ground
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  Speaker 2: with it, but it was very minimalist. And I will
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  Speaker 2: say to your point about the music, I listened to
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  Speaker 2: the music through the end credits every show. I enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: the music so much that I would sit there and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: listen to the end credits and probably the best compliment
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  Speaker 2: I can give it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean right there with you. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad the soundtrack's out now and it's been great. I
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  Speaker 1: love listening to it, and so I am fascinated. Then,
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  Speaker 1: with all of our conversation about this show, where do
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  Speaker 1: you land in your ratings for the show?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's so tough, right because one of the
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  Speaker 2: things I've been struggling with over the last year, as
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  Speaker 2: I've looked at movies and stuff like that, is this
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  Speaker 2: whole idea of oh, you know, like in your brain,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, five out of five, that's only something
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  Speaker 2: that is an absolute masterpiece, and it's breaking Bad? And
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: is this breaking bad? No? Is this the shield? No?
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  Speaker 2: Is it lost? Depends on your point of view, because
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  Speaker 2: I know people differ with me on that whatever, But
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  Speaker 2: this is, you know, in terms of my enjoyment, it's
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  Speaker 2: a five. In terms of its achievement, technologically it's a five,
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  Speaker 2: But I still wind up going with a four overall
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  Speaker 2: because of the fact that I wanted more. I wish
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  Speaker 2: they had signed it to several more seasons. You know what, though,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll split the difference. I'll say four and
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  Speaker 2: a half because there were I think the decision to
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  Speaker 2: have two episodes in the beginning should have had one episode.
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  Speaker 2: They should have had an old school, traditional hour and
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  Speaker 2: a half two hour pilot episode that gives you enough
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  Speaker 2: time to ease into it, to soak in it. I
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  Speaker 2: thought that, even though I enjoyed his voice, the schist
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: of Eden wolf Man that they had was difficult to understand.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that, you know, so like, it's not perfect,
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  Speaker 2: but I loved it, And so I'll just split the
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  Speaker 2: difference in say four and a half.
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  Speaker 1: I'm struggling with this one because I did feel like
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  Speaker 1: at some points in the show personally that when they
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  Speaker 1: went back to the parents. Sometimes on the show it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't always feel like necessary per se, and so
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  Speaker 1: I kind of wish that that had felt just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more necessary in some of those places, and
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  Speaker 1: then it does become necessary, right, But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: I almost would have liked if they were going to
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  Speaker 1: do that, then I would have liked maybe a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more development for them as actual characters, other than
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  Speaker 1: just being these avatars of the kids thinking they stand
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  Speaker 1: in their way kind of thing. And I think too,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it does feel like maybe there could have been
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  Speaker 1: some places in the show where we quickly I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even when we went to the other planet that was
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: similar to at Aton but was in a state of
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  Speaker 1: war between these two groups. I think it would have
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  Speaker 1: been interesting if maybe we'd possibly gotten a few more
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  Speaker 1: answers to just the mystery surrounding why these planets were
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  Speaker 1: hidden in those kind of things. I think that would
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  Speaker 1: have been nice. But overall, I mean, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed the show. I enjoyed the show knows exactly
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  Speaker 1: what it wants to be, and it does that, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it does it really well. And so I
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  Speaker 1: think I've talked myself into being where you are of
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  Speaker 1: a four and a half. You know, I think as
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  Speaker 1: per enjoyment of a season. Uh, you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: probably like maybe right under for me Mandalorian season two. Uh,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: just in just like the the cohesion of the season
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  Speaker 1: and everything you know and or is still my top here,
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  Speaker 1: and then after that's probably something like Ahsoka season one,
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  Speaker 1: and and then everything else is below that. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just a just a really well
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  Speaker 1: crafted show and I'm so glad that we got it.
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  Speaker 1: And and like you said, gosh, please give us more
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  Speaker 1: of these characters in some way, shape or form, and
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  Speaker 1: that would be wonderful. But if you never do, I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad that I feel like I have a full story
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  Speaker 1: for these characters. Yeah, very thankful that we're not left hanging,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the questions about what happens to Jod and
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  Speaker 1: what happens to the planet and all that stuff great
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  Speaker 1: questions obviously could still be there and answered in some way.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like, again, the show knew what it
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do. It's telling the story of these characters
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  Speaker 1: growing up and experiencing the galaxy, and that's the story
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  Speaker 1: we told. And when they come home, they have a
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  Speaker 1: completely new view of life, and so do their parents,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: and so does their entire planet. And it's so you know,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: and that arc is completed by the end of the season,
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  Speaker 1: and you know that that helps me to really just
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the show. So, but John, you know, maybe people
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• 1:09:46
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• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: co hosting two shows. One is called house Lights with
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Darren Moser and Tristan Riddell that tek FM fans should
• 1:10:07
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• 1:10:10
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• 1:10:13
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  Speaker 2: Wars podcast that I co host with you, mister Matthew Rushing.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Well, you could find me all over social media under
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  Speaker 1: Harry Potter series. But you know, John, I think it's
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: time we close these negotiations and head back to the
• 1:10:54
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