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FOX NATION MOVIE SPECIAL: Murder For Sale · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, our friends and partners at
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  Speaker 1: Fox Nation have an exclusive new movie out right now,
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  Speaker 1: Murder for Sale. In this new original movie, real estate
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  Speaker 1: agent Violet Becker is devastated when her best friend and
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  Speaker 1: fellow real estate agent dies at an open house. Violet
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  Speaker 1: is suspicious about the circumstances of the death and sets
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  Speaker 1: out to investigate. She soon finds herself in unfamiliar territory
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  Speaker 1: as she uncovers shocking truths about her friends life and
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  Speaker 1: mysterious death. Starring Caitlin Clark, Julia Benson, and Matt Hamilton,
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  Speaker 1: Murder for Sale is available exclusively on Fox Nation. Fox
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  Speaker 1: Nation subscribers also have access to all kinds of exclusive programming,
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  Speaker 1: including the video simulcast of Crime Stories, our team's special investigations,
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  Speaker 1: original movies like Murder for Sale, and so much more.
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  Speaker 1: Sign up for Fox Nation to watch just go to
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  Speaker 1: Foxnation dot com. Don't wait, catch this movie. It's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Go to Foxnation dot com now to watch Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Murder for Sale. It's actually the title
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  Speaker 1: of a brand new movie, but woven into this movie
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  Speaker 1: are real life elements. I mean it, see Grace, this
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  Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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  Speaker 1: at Foxnation. In Serious m one eleven. The premise of
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  Speaker 1: this movie just grabbed me by the shoulders and shook
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  Speaker 1: me because it is reminded me of so many other
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  Speaker 1: similar cases, cases that stem from a gorgeous a real
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  Speaker 1: estate agent who somehow ends up dead. You know what,
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  Speaker 1: Let's just start off with a real life case, the
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  Speaker 1: story of Beverly Carter. Listen to this. Beverly Carter was
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  Speaker 1: my sweet mom. She was an executive broker and a
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  Speaker 1: top producing real estate professional from the North La Rock,
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  Speaker 1: Arkansas area. While doing the work that my mom loves
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  Speaker 1: so much, she was kidnapped and murdered in the fall
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  Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen. A couple of weeks before that showing
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  Speaker 1: that took my mom from me, my mom began hearing
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  Speaker 1: from a couple. Their story was that they were out
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  Speaker 1: of state buyers. They were relocating due to work cash buyers,
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  Speaker 1: and my mom was hearing from them from phone calls,
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  Speaker 1: to x and emails. Their phone number matched that of
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  Speaker 1: an out of state buyer, their email address matched the
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  Speaker 1: fictitious names that they had given her. But my mom
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  Speaker 1: had no idea that these people were not who they
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  Speaker 1: said they were. She had no idea of their intentions
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  Speaker 1: to kidnap her, to hold her for ransom, and to
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  Speaker 1: take her perceived wealth. The husband of this couple that
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  Speaker 1: took my mom said, when he was questioned why Beverly,
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  Speaker 1: he said, because she was a rich broker that worked alone.
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  Speaker 1: Just being in the profession, marketing herself as the professional
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  Speaker 1: that she was made her a target, and she was
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  Speaker 1: a target. She marketed herself. How many times do you
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  Speaker 1: just drive down the street and you see billboards with
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  Speaker 1: a realtor and they're usually glamour shots, and I look
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  Speaker 1: at them and think, wow, you know, maybe if I
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  Speaker 1: ever buy a house or that's who I'll call. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think about it the way a predator would think
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  Speaker 1: about it. You were just hearing Beverly Carter's own son
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  Speaker 1: with the Beverly Carter story at Stewart Online, telling about
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  Speaker 1: his mom who lost her life just being in realtory.
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  Speaker 1: What I remember about that case is not only her
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  Speaker 1: being found in a shallow grave, but also that the
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  Speaker 1: husband and the son were at home heating up dinner
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  Speaker 1: waiting for mom to come home, and then she never came.
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  Speaker 1: That was a tangled web a ball of yarn that
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  Speaker 1: was really hard to untangle, much like this new Fox
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  Speaker 1: Nation movie Murder for Sale. It's really hard to detangle
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  Speaker 1: this one. With me an all star panel to make
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  Speaker 1: sense of this movie. And when you watch it, and
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  Speaker 1: you can see it right now streaming on Fox Nation,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. Let me first go to the
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  Speaker 1: star Murder for Sale. Matt Hamilton. Hello, Hi Matt, thanks
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  Speaker 1: for being with a star of Murder for Sale. You
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  Speaker 1: play detective car Sitting and you can be found at
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  Speaker 1: Matt Hamilton dot ca and on Instagram at Underscore Matt
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  Speaker 1: Underscore Hammer. But I've seen you all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, nobody can forget your blue eyes. I
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  Speaker 1: hope my husband's not listening. He also has blue ish eyes.
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  Speaker 1: But that said, Matt Hamilton, you have an incredible on
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  Speaker 1: screen persona. How did you get involved in this movie?
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  Speaker 1: Because I love the movie and I don't anybody on
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  Speaker 1: this panel tell who did it? Don't think about it? Um,
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  Speaker 1: how do I get involved? You don't want my kid?
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  Speaker 1: I can't even remember if this was an offer or
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  Speaker 1: I auditioned for it. To be honest with you, it
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  Speaker 1: was during a busy period, but I'm up here in
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  Speaker 1: Vancouver and it was filming and it kind of came
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  Speaker 1: across my way. And one thing I love is I
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  Speaker 1: love playing cops like I was. I grew up watching
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  Speaker 1: like Bruce Willis, you know, action movies and slone movies.
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  Speaker 1: Something I got to when I get to like playing
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  Speaker 1: a cop, it's just like, oh, yes, yes, give me this.
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  Speaker 1: And he's got that. The detective Carson Spann. We kind
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  Speaker 1: of ongoing joke on set, me and the director Steven
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  Speaker 1: would be like a detective Carson Spano talking like a
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  Speaker 1: super cop boy. Um hold on, I've got to write
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  Speaker 1: that down talking in a super cop voice to Robert
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  Speaker 1: Christmin joining me. Private investigator but former fed with a
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  Speaker 1: federal task Force for the US Department of Justice, also
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  Speaker 1: with the d EA and the Miami Field Division Division.
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  Speaker 1: Never a lack of business there. Former homicide in Crimes
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  Speaker 1: against Children investigator. You can find it at Crispin Investigations
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Crispin, do you have the supercop voice? Because
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard it or have you
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  Speaker 1: used it? I mean I didn't notice. I tried to
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  Speaker 1: use you and it just didn't work. Okay, he does
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  Speaker 1: an amazing job in this movie. Outstanding and from a
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  Speaker 1: cops perspective, right, man, Hamilton, what is the supercop voice?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, hit me, Well, the supercop boys just kind
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  Speaker 1: of deep, kind of like this, say, I mean the
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  Speaker 1: Tective Carson Spanner. It's not like a voice I think
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  Speaker 1: you used in any movie. I'm trying to think of where,
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  Speaker 1: like where I'm like parrying it from. Um, there's got
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  Speaker 1: to be some sort of movie where that's coming from.
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell you to the top of the top
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  Speaker 1: of every time I came into SAT Stephen would do
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. Detective Curson span It's almost like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what it is. It's like the movie trailer voice
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  Speaker 1: you kind of sent Sam spay. You kind of sound like, um,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Martin and one of his well, the only cop
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  Speaker 1: case I can think if he did was Pink Panther.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, he's play He's used his detective voice before.
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  Speaker 1: So Crispin, did that sound like a super coup voice
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  Speaker 1: to you? Fantastic? I'm here a great voice. It's perfect.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a death screen so bad. It's funny how
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  Speaker 1: Matt Hamilton people grew up thinking, Wow, I want to
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  Speaker 1: be a cop. You know there are people that grew
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  Speaker 1: up thinking I want to be the robber. I want
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  Speaker 1: to be the bad guy. So at least you know
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  Speaker 1: you're on the right track wanting to be a detective.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys shot in Vancouver. Yeah, that's okay. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to hear a tiny bit and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna give it away. Take a listen to this,
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  Speaker 1: to this clip from Murder for Sale. Thank you for coming. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course, thank you. Call if you have any questions.
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  Speaker 1: He and need an ambulance to one oh five. Okay
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  Speaker 1: Avenue please, Marie so Lea's wrong with me? Ma'am? Are
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  Speaker 1: you there? You hear me? Hello? Ma'am? What would you
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  Speaker 1: have the man? Are you a dare? Hello? Okay, okay, wow,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of want to hear that whole thing again.
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  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now. In
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  Speaker 1: addition to the star of Murder for Sale, streaming right
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  Speaker 1: now on Fox Nation, is a real life Southern California realtor,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, a glam realtor. You can find her
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  Speaker 1: at Chaison dot com and on Insta, the Hope Coulter realtor.
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  Speaker 1: Okay she I can't imagine who came up with that, Chaison, Prince, Chaison,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to scare you away from your job.
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  Speaker 1: You've still got to get those two children of yours
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  Speaker 1: through college. But that said, what kind of precautions do
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  Speaker 1: you take when you go show a home? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Beverly Carter had had extensive conversations with the prospective buyers.
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  Speaker 1: How is she to know this was all to lure
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  Speaker 1: her there, Robber's thinking that she would be loaded down
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  Speaker 1: with cash AND's jewelry. Well that the reality is that
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  Speaker 1: there is constant risk every day with this career, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people think that it's all just blitz
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  Speaker 1: and glamor are beautiful homes, but it is actually one
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  Speaker 1: of the most riskiest careers. Well, hold on right there, Chaison.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I noticed when I was looking for
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  Speaker 1: a parents in New York and trying to find a
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  Speaker 1: home when I was still a prosecutor. The realtor always
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  Speaker 1: shows up dressed about one hundred times better than me,
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  Speaker 1: dripping in jewelry, with designer sunglasses and clothes, and usually
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  Speaker 1: an expensive sports car. Sometime always why and it's and
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  Speaker 1: then that's like a calling card when you really dial
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  Speaker 1: it back and look at the dangers of what that
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  Speaker 1: can be, because watching the movie definitely was just chilled,
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  Speaker 1: constant chills that I had. And when you're out there,
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  Speaker 1: you've just become so vulnerable because you do have these
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  Speaker 1: ongoing phone calls and emails and all this communication that's
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  Speaker 1: going on. So you then tend to think that these
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  Speaker 1: people are real. But then another vulnerable situation is meeting
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  Speaker 1: them in person by yourself being inside of a home
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  Speaker 1: for a showing and just never you just never know.
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  Speaker 1: There's really no way of really knowing if you're in
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  Speaker 1: complete danger, and that's the mindset that you have to have. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's the mind that I have every time I'm meeting
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  Speaker 1: with someone, which is nerve wrecking, but that comes with
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  Speaker 1: the job. But Shay, what I'm asking is what precautions
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  Speaker 1: do you take? Because I'm sure Beverly Carter did all
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  Speaker 1: of that too, And now I'm murder for sales about
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  Speaker 1: a realtor that kills over at an open house. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what I've started doing is that I don't go to
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  Speaker 1: the showings and open house alone anymore. I try to
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  Speaker 1: have someone there, or I have someone like my husband
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  Speaker 1: if he's available in the driveway, just waiting because it
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  Speaker 1: is nerve wrecking. And then the other things too, is
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  Speaker 1: that when you're doing a showing, then I have a
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  Speaker 1: setup pretty much like an instant dial. If something's wrong,
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  Speaker 1: it sends a message because there's apps available, like if
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  Speaker 1: you're in an urgent situation where it just dials out
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  Speaker 1: to a number of people letting them know, like made
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  Speaker 1: a and automatically they'll know. Because I let everyone know
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  Speaker 1: before I'm to do a showing or an open house,
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  Speaker 1: this is where I'm going, this is the address, this
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  Speaker 1: is who I'm meeting with. So if there's a text
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  Speaker 1: message coming from there like a mayde, then something's gone south.
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  Speaker 1: And also the check in I have the check in
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  Speaker 1: method letting people know when I get there. Halfway through,
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  Speaker 1: there's that communication and when I'm closing up, I let
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  Speaker 1: them know, so if they're not hearing back from me,
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  Speaker 1: then they know this is an alert something's wrong. So okay,
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  Speaker 1: hold on just a moment. Let me understand. You have
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  Speaker 1: your husband sitting the driveway when you do a home showing.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm meeting with someone for the first time, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if he's available, I have him come with me so
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  Speaker 1: I'm not there alone. They don't notice that there is
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  Speaker 1: a guy lurking in the driveway. I mean, what do
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  Speaker 1: you pass them off as another potential buyer? Not necessarily lurking.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen him. I can envision him lurking, just sitting
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  Speaker 1: there in his car watching the house. Well, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: parked up. Maybe you could pass them off as another
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  Speaker 1: buyer and make them feel like they have to jump
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  Speaker 1: on the house right then because there's this guy sit
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  Speaker 1: in the parking lot. Okay, well, I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: you were a real estate team. Hopefully is employers at
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  Speaker 1: his fancy job of that law firm. Don't hear that
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  Speaker 1: he leaves every day it launch to go lurk in
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  Speaker 1: a driveway so you can show a house. But okay, Jason,
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  Speaker 1: you went into this knowing the risks. Have there ever
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  Speaker 1: been times you felt afraid? Yeah. One of the showings,
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  Speaker 1: coming to the closing, I was putting everything back in
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  Speaker 1: place and then the door opened and this man walked
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  Speaker 1: in and I knew at that point that something just
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  Speaker 1: was wrong because my stomach dropped. And that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that they tell you to watch out for,
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  Speaker 1: is that you know people will tend to come at
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  Speaker 1: the very end, because they know everybody's pretty much gone
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  Speaker 1: at that time, and so he came in, asked a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of odd questions, lurking around really slow, and I
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  Speaker 1: followed my gut at that point and started talking about
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  Speaker 1: the landscaping and the gardening and all the work that
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  Speaker 1: was done to try to get him out of the house,
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  Speaker 1: which he went along with it, and we stayed out there.
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  Speaker 1: He was trying to come back in, and I told
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  Speaker 1: him I had another appointment and just had to kind
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  Speaker 1: of kind of clothes at that point. But I knew
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  Speaker 1: something was off because you can just feel it, and
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  Speaker 1: I knew that if I had gotten back inside of
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  Speaker 1: the house, that probably wasn't going to be a good situation.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she's on. You just gave me a chill
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  Speaker 1: all the way down the left side of my body,
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  Speaker 1: just the way you described it. You know, question, do you,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Hamilton? You're the star of Murder for Sale, and
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  Speaker 1: when you're thinking, and I know you went into it
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  Speaker 1: just as an actor. You know your part, you know
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  Speaker 1: what to do. But did it ever hit you that
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  Speaker 1: realtors actually are female Realtors usually are attack and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: and murdered as a part of their job. Yeah, actually,
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  Speaker 1: funny should Actually it's not funny. You should ask that
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  Speaker 1: at all. Addie should ask coincidentally should ask? We feel
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  Speaker 1: you should ask. Well. I grew up in a place
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  Speaker 1: called the Torria, which is close to Vancouver. It's about
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  Speaker 1: an hour and a half ferry right, And I knew
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  Speaker 1: a girl who was killed at an open house. It
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  Speaker 1: was kind of like a hit. It made it made
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  Speaker 1: the news, I think it was. It was on dateline
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  Speaker 1: it was. Her name was Lindsay Booziac and she would
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  Speaker 1: have been um and we still they still have never
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  Speaker 1: found the killer. It was a really mysterious kind of setup.
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  Speaker 1: And she had it was another one of those things
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  Speaker 1: where she had a kind of a bad feeling. But
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  Speaker 1: the house was it was it was a really expensive house,
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  Speaker 1: and so she went to go meet the buyer and
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  Speaker 1: it was basically an assassination essentially. And the motives are
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  Speaker 1: a little iffy, but it's it's like, it's it's terrified.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Matt Hamilton is joining me. He has been
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  Speaker 1: in so many other productions and he was snagged to
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  Speaker 1: do Murder for Sale and just did a phenomenal job.
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  Speaker 1: This is I love this movie. In fact, I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it again. I love it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's because I'm a crime aficionado. The acting
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  Speaker 1: is great at everything, but you just said something really
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  Speaker 1: key that she had a quote bad feeling about it.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me is doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: Never left a business there as well. You can find
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  Speaker 1: out doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know how many times I have investigated, prosecuted, or plat
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  Speaker 1: out a case, much less covered it where the victim
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  Speaker 1: had an overwhelming sense of dread, a doomsday, a scary
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily premonition, but just a bad feeling before their
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  Speaker 1: demise or their tech. Nancy, I had a bad feeling
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of this movie, which I have to
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  Speaker 1: say I loved so in the opening scene, which you
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  Speaker 1: just played, you have to scare yourself. I started watching
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  Speaker 1: it at five o'clock this morning, and I'm not kidding you.
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  Speaker 1: I could not turn it off. I could hardly turn
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  Speaker 1: my head away to make my morning latte. I was riveted.
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  Speaker 1: And in the opening scene, you have this gorgeous mansion,
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  Speaker 1: you have this beautiful Real Turn, Laney, this couple comes
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  Speaker 1: in to look at the house, and right then I
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  Speaker 1: had the bad feeling. I'm like, are they going to
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  Speaker 1: do her in? And the reason I thought that was because,
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  Speaker 1: as we've been talking about, real turns are basically sitting ducks.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're by themselves, they're gorgeous. They have to
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  Speaker 1: wear the great clothing in the jewelry because they have
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  Speaker 1: to signal to the potential clients that they're successful. If
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  Speaker 1: if they dressed badly in their in their gym clothes
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, the buyer's going to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: why should I trust you, You're not even professional. But shere,
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  Speaker 1: lady's in this this gorgeous home, and she's having a
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  Speaker 1: hard time breathing, and there's this sense of danger that
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  Speaker 1: gripped me, and I thought, something bad is going to
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  Speaker 1: happen to her. Either she's having an asthmatic attack or
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  Speaker 1: somebody poisoned her, or the next person who comes in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, has some ill intent towards her. And then
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  Speaker 1: the way this movie unfolded, I have to say, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a Nancy Drew fan. I group up on Nancy Drew,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how this folded. Unfolded so many characters. You know, Violet,
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  Speaker 1: you know who is her best friend, Savannah her childhood friend,
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  Speaker 1: too Careltors Ava who's a friendly rival, Bob who is
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  Speaker 1: Ava's husband, and all these relationships are intertwined, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: every single person except for Violet, her best friend. I thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that person did it, or maybe that person did it,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe that person did it. So there were if
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  Speaker 1: you want a chill in the thrill, I mean really honestly,
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  Speaker 1: there were bad feelings all around in this movie from
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  Speaker 1: the beginning. But even in true life, I've had so
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  Speaker 1: many victims tell their friends. You know, I've got a
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  Speaker 1: really bad feeling about this. In fact, we just finished
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  Speaker 1: covering the case of Alex and Murrague and his wife
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  Speaker 1: Mackie told a friend before she went to meet Murdogue
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  Speaker 1: and to her death. I got a really bad feeling
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  Speaker 1: about this and what is he up to? What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: She knew that but went into it anyway. This is
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of course airing on Fox Nation Murder for Sale, But
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: in real life, this is the reality. Take a listen
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: our cut twenty nine, when it's your dad become concerned.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I'm early to go to bed and he called me
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: at nine o'clock and he sits on, I haven't heard
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: from your mom yet, and I'm getting concerned. And we
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: kind of joked and he said, he said, you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I'm getting gone a hungry too, And I said, well, Dad,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: if it makes you feel any better, you know, Mom's
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: probably out. It's a it's a good deal. They wanted
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to write an offer on the house and this is
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: this has nothing to worry about. And he said, Sun
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: will every time I call her, phone's just go into voicemail.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And I said, well, you know how busy she is.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe her phone just died. That is beverly Son. Carl
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Carter Junior speaking to me, And I will never forget
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the suffering in his voice after his mom was killed
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: being a realtor. You know, Jack, I want to hear
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: our cut one one more time, the one that doctor
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Bethany's describing. Take a listen. Thank you for coming, Yeah,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of course, thank you, Carl. If you have any questions,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and he's an ambulance to one O five, Okay Avenue,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Please Marie, something's wrong with me, ma'am. Are you there?
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: You carry? Come on, ma'am, what what are you gonna
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: ran the man. Are you a dare? Come on? Okay? Wow.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick joining me, California prosecutor, author of Whade Bad
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Looks Good and author of Red Flags. She's the star
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: off today with doctor Wendy on Casey BQ. Wendy, the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: first thing I like to do with is jurory if
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I've got it, is to play the nine one one call.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And that nine one one call the victim trying trying
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to get help was very realistic. Oh that's for sure.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: The nine one one call actually brings the jurors to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the crime scene. And that is one of the best
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: ways that any case could start by really familiarizing themselves
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: with whatever fact pattern, how it began. You know what
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: makes this particularly chilling as we talk about how dangerous
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it is for real estate agents if you're trapped with
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a dangerous person where no one can hear you scream
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: as we say, what about being trapped in an empty
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: house in some remote location where no one can hear
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you call for help. So, whatever it is, whatever the scenario,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: bringing a jury in through listening to that struggling to breathe,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's even hard to listen to for anyone,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and you can only imagine that the scene that that says,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: no wonder we all had a bad feeling at the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: beginning of the movie because it really gives you a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: sense of how dangerous it is and a number of
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a variety of levels to have this job as a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: realtor Glham Old Chaison Prince joining US Southern California realtor
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Star Chaison. Just tell me one word chaise on, one
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: word yes or no. You do take a fully charged
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: phone with you to every showing correct. Yeah, absolutely, Okay,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that was two words. But anyway that's said. Now we're
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: going to say something and murder for sale that we
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: don't see that often a very different type of m
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: O modus operandi method of operation. Take a listen nowur
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: cut too. She didn't have anything for breakfast, just coffee,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: so that leaves the fig cookies, right, But the test
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: came back negative on those. Okay, So if the cookies
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: came back negative, it is I mean, we're looking at
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: something else with the source of the poison. Possibly, But
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I did find one fig cookie in our victim's stomach
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that wasn't fully digested. There was a thickening age in
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: present sometimes to Jan Canny, I'm still looking into botulism
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: toxin type A cosmetic botulism. Okay, Eli, if she's had
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: any recent doctor's appointments. Back to the cookie for a second,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Is it possible just one of the cookies could have
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: been poisoned? Now you're thinking like a detective right now,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And then I did some research. Things are low acid
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: with a page of four point six. So if during
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the canning process, you know, acid was added, a thickening
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: agent was used, and if the heat failed to reach
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty degrees, it's a perfect breeding ground
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: for the spores. Do you think it could have been
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a killer cookie? It could be whatever the source of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the botulism is. Based on everything we know this far,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and the fact that the toxic levels were so unusually
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: high in our victim's system, I feel confident this was
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a malicious act. Later Prime stories with Nancy Grace, she
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: didn't have anything for breakfast, just coffee, so that leaves
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the fake cookies, right, But the test came back negative
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: on those. Okay, So if the cookies came back negatives,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I mean we're looking at something else with the source
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of the poison. Possibly, but I did find one fig
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: cookie in our victim's stomach that wasn't fully digested. There
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: was a thickening age in present sometimes to Jin Canning,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I'm still looking into botulism. Toxin type A cosmetic botulism. Okay, Elsie,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: if she's had any recent doctor's appointments. Back to the
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: cookie for a second, Is it possible just one of
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the cookies could have been poisoned? Now you're thinking like
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a detective right now, And then I did some research.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Figs are low acid with the pH of four point six.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So if during the canning process, you know, acid was added,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a thickening agent was used, and if the heat failed
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to reach two hundred and fifty degrees, it's a perfect
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: breeding ground for the spores. Do you think it could
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: have been a killer cookie? Could be whatever the source
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of the botulism is. Based on everything we know this
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: far and the fact that the toxin levels were so
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: unusually high in our victims system, I feel confident of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: this was a malicious act murder. Okay. To Alexis Tereshchuk
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: joining us climb online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis Treshi,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: thanks for being with us, so is it like a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: thumb print cookie. You know, the cookies that have indentation
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and the middle and there's icing or jelly or jam
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: or something in it. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, exactly,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: they're like a yellow cookie and then they would have
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a jelly in the middle. I personally would never eat
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the cookies. They're so dry. And the thing was, there
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: was a clue in movie that she always had chocolate
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: chip cookies. She had a pattern. She would always get
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: fresh baked cookies and bring them to her open houses,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: chocolate chip, chocolate chip chocolate chips. Always got them from
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the same bakery. This time there were these dry jelly cookies,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: which was a big clue as to why I thinks
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: we're different there and if that was them, because this
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: is clearly how she got poisoned. As the medical examiners up, Okay, guys,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: we're talking about death by cookie, but this is by
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: far not the first time that a very unusual vehicle
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: has been used to commit a deadly crime. Take a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: listen to our cut seven. Our friends at GMA investigators
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: say they still have no clear motive as to why
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: fifty two year old Lana Clayton allegedly used eyedrops to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: kill her husband to four years or. She did admit
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: during interviews with our detectives that she committed the crimes.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Stephen Clayton was found dead in the four year of
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: this eight hundred thousand dollars South Carolina mansion he shared
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: with his wife in July. Police say they never suspected
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: foul play was involved until toxicology results from his autopsy
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: revealed high levels of tetrahydros lane, the chemical found in
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: eyedrops and nasal sprays in his blood stream. Wow okay
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: out to Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor. At the crime lab
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and at the Medical Examer's office, the coroner. The Morgue
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: normal or standard blood panels are on toxicology and they
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: don't typically look for tetra hi jazolene, which is basically
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: what's vizine. So in a case like this murder for sale,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you necessarily know what to look for. You just see
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: a very high toxicity level. Wendy, Well, you would do
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: is work backwards, that's right, So you would look at
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: whatever the cause of death was determined to be, look
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: at the types of substances that might have caused a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: death in that manner, and then you're a you look
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: circumstantially as to what was present in the environment that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: could have delivered those chemicals, and you would need to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: run tox screens other than drugs and alcohol and the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: usual suspects. As we say in the crime business, you
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: would need to think outside the box. When you have
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a young, beautiful real estate agent dropping dead in a home,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you would certainly need to think creatively as to who
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: else might have had access to a substance that uniquely,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: especially if you have a pre existed can do should
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: like asthma. We would need to look at that and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: then run those tests. That's the best way to solve
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: these unusual crimes by poisoning, if you will, which is
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: often what causes these kinds of death, Doctor Bethany. Another
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: similarity is in that case, and in this case they're
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: in a mansion. Why do rich people kill each other?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: They got everything that was an eight hundred thousand dollars
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: mansion and now in murder for sale. Of course, she's
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: showing a beautiful home. There's never a lie, you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: a shot down by the railroad, it's part of this,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: but it's actually true. It's actually true. Well can answer
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: You're going to have to the viewers are going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: have to watch the movie to get the answer to
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that question. But I will say that, first of all,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: forty four percent of all crimes are over money or property. Okay,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: so that makes sense. But secondly, there was a lot
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of behavioral evidence in this movie. And the behavioral evidence
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: was really uncovered by Violet, who was her best friend,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: because violent knew all of Laney's habits. She knew what
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: kind of cookies she picked up, she knew what kind
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: of a relationship she had with her husband. At the funerals,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: she snuck into her closet and looked in her jewelry
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: chest and she saw a business card to a divorce attorney,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: So then she kind of knew about her relationship with
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the husband. Doctor Bethany, you're reminding me of doctor Martin McNeil,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: another high profile true to life case, a doctor and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: lawyer whose beauty queen wife is found dead in the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: tub and wisely one of the adult daughters who really
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: cracked the case when digging through all of her jewelry
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and effects looking for clues. So did you have any
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: idea Matt Hamilton, who was the star of the movie
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Murder for Sale. How many true life aspects that your
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: movie has? Well you know what, actually I did not?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Well you're learning now a little boy. Just call out
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: her supercop voice speaking of unusual vehicles used to poison
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and murder people. Okay, Lana Clayton is not the only
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: one who thought of using vizine. Take a listen to
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: our cut eight. This is our friend Jim Murray inside edition.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: He saved dozens of lives as a paramedic. Now prosecutors
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: say he murdered his wife by poisoning her with visine.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Joshua Huntsucker and his wife, Stacy were high school sweethearts,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: raising two adorable daughters aged five and six. Stacy died
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: in September last year from what appeared to be a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: heart attack, but in a stunning development, her thirty five
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: year old husband has just been charged with murder. Ed
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: is the one who poisoned miser visine or a similar
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: products her death and very often Okay, there it's very
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: hard to determine the substance used to poison the victims,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: but sometimes when the victim is taken to the doctor
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: of the hospital or even the morgue. They can't figure
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you're at the substance at first, and the death is
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: chalked up to something completely different, like a heart attack
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: or a stroke or some sort of seizure that causes
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: them to froth at the mouth and then asphyxiate. Take
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nine our friends at ABC
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: seven radiologists Jack Chen says he noticed a chemical taste
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: in his drinks. In March, he set up a hidden
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: camera in their kitchen, capturing video evidence of his wife
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: You you allegedly taking draino from under the sink and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: pouring it into his lemonade in three separate instances. In July,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a duntor diagnosed Chin with two stomach as gastritus and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: esophagus inflammation. Did you hear that? Alexis Tereschac. You and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I covered that case together. He was first diagnosed with
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: stomach ulcers guests stritus is suphageal inflammation before they realized
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: he was being poisoned with draino. So in murder for sale, no,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it's difficult to determine has there been a crime or
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: is the victim dying of some natural cause like an
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: acute asthmatic attack, right, and that was the thing with her,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and they couldn't find her in hailer. Originally we saw
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you see in the very beginning of the movie she
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: has a bit of an as an attack. She uses
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: her inhaler. Then when her body is found just moments later,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: they say there's no one had. In fact, Detective Carson
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: says that she says, there's no inhaler. We can't find it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: So that was one avenue of maybe she just died
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: from hannic attacker in asthma attack. Sorry, but the thing is,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the medical examiner quickly narrowed it down to their botulism,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: and you're not going to get that from your inhaler. Guys,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our sound from Martyr for Sale,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: No No Uncle nine one one. Well, this is the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: first two deaths in the same house and in a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: couple of days. Can I still in this place? Can
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you tell me not much until I can start running tests.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: No signs of foul play, but we know how that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: turned out last time. Yeah, I seem to scare a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: lot of people when this comes out. I don't mvu
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Now I found thumbring cookies again on a counter choice,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: given what happened with the first step. Yeah, only this
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: time you're Raspberry. Well, I'm gonna start on Tumpsy tonight,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: he rockstar. I'll take it. Rathby, she was poisoned? What
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: if it was meant for me? Okay, you know what,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Chaison Prance joining me glam or realtor in southern California
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: at Chaison dot com or on Insta could sure realtor. Okay,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of that, but chasa
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: one of the first things they say trying to sell
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: this place. I guess the property value doesn't notice die
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: when not one but two people die there. Yeah, because
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you definitely have to disclose that. How do you tell
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a client, yeah, we've had two homicides right here in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the rain where you're standing. I mean I would run
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: as if I had seen a monster rear it's head.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Who want to I would probably be running it right
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: running along behind you. Nancy, this is the lexus. Can
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I jump in? Yeah? When my husband and I were
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: looking for a house about a decade ago here in
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, we looked at this home. It was beautiful.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: It had a really cool backhouse. It was like an
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: art studio. I was like, I feel like this home
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: is so familiar, but I don't have feeling like I
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: don't have ghost feelings. I know this home. We went home,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: unzoogled it and a very famous young woman had died
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in that home like two years earlier. It was all
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: over the I had covered her death. I just didn't.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I had never been to the crime them. And then
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the house was for sale two years later, did you
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: buy it? We did not. I would have been so
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: surprised that he had said yes. Surprise, bewildered, and happy,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: all at the same time. You've been a murder house.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: You also don't want to buy a house that's been
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: featured in one of those paranormal documentaries or murder house.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Say you have to disclose that as well. So, Matt Hamilton,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: do they continue to try to sell the house? I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: think they. I think they kind of forget about it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Think it was more pressing matters. Yeah, the double murder,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: who's the second Wait? Should we even ask as a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: second murder victim? Should we let him tell? Because that
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: may touch on the plot? Okay, go ahead, who's the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: second murder victim? Well? The second murder victim is just
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a random person. So that's that's what makes it even more.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to care about them, Yeah no, I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: mean you don't. You don't see them before they're dead,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you don't know about them after. But that's what makes
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the murders so the crime so confusing is there doesn't
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: seem to be a link between the Oh I hate that.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Let me explain what I hate so much about it
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator, former fed with
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the US government DJ at Crispin Special Investigations. You know
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: how in every murder, you first look within a circle
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of intimates, the husband, the boyfriend, the X, and then
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you move out to the lawyer, the next door neighbor,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the grocery delivery guy. Then you move out and out
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and out tell you where you have nowhere to go,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and then it's deemed random. That is like finding a
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: needle in a haystack. So when you get the first
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: murder of the real term, they're looking within her circle,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden there comes an unrelated murder
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and it completely blows apart in the theory of the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: intimate circle. But it happened at the same location as
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a first one. So there's a connection to that house,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: there's a connection to someone who's connected to that house.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And as an investigator, yeah, I'm focusing in who's coming
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: in and out of this house. Well, I can tell
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you this much, I'm not buying that house. I don't
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: care what it looks like. Just like Alexis and you
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and you're a beautiful home, I'm not buying it. Forget
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: it now. I could hear my husband saying, hey, but
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: it's a really good deal. No, it's not a really
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: good deal. You know, you're talking about all of the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: similarities between this movie and what happens in true crime.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And I kept thinking about the husband because one of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the things we look at an investigation is the people
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: who are closest to the homicide victim. And it was
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: interesting that the husband had taken out a two million
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: dollar insurance policy on her and they were possibly going
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: through a divorce. You're right, but all of that is
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: part of any standard investigation. I would hope, Crispin, that
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: you would look up wife insurance policies potential divorces, right,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: he would. Of course, it's a motive, sure, of course. Okay, guys,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I'll take another listen to murder for sale. Well, she
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  Speaker 1: promised me and others a big return on her investment.
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  Speaker 1: She needed commitments from us up to one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars In return, we would get a fifty percent profit
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  Speaker 1: when the work was finished. But you didn't get the money. No.
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  Speaker 1: I told her that I needed my payout or my
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  Speaker 1: investment back. She said she didn't have it, but that
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  Speaker 1: she was trying to get it. I had to close
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  Speaker 1: the bakery. I'm so sorry. I just can't believe we
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  Speaker 1: need to do something like that. I mean, either you'd
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  Speaker 1: all be coming into the bakery for years. She's a
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  Speaker 1: reputable real estate agent in town. I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: a short thing. Can the FBI do anything? Apparently all
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  Speaker 1: the money in her bank account is just up and vanished,
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  Speaker 1: So either it's in a foreign account somewhere which they're investigating,
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  Speaker 1: or someone else has it. Money. Money, money, the love
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  Speaker 1: of money, the root of all evil. Well, I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you this much. We've talked about murder for Sale
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  Speaker 1: on flox Nation, but I bate you still can't figure
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  Speaker 1: out he did it. Matt Hamilton's chas On, Prince, Wendy Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, Robert Crispin Alexis to rest Check. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for joining us. Hold on, I gotta go watch
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  Speaker 1: the Restless movie. Bye everybody, thanks for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you guys on flox Nation. Bye.