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Monday Mini: #MeToo Update · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I've never told to your production of iHeart Radio, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Monday. Wow. That felt very like warning show esque.
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  Speaker 1: I need I need to dial that back. Wow, We'll
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  Speaker 1: welcome to another Monday Mini. And uh, we want to
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and put this at the very top. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna revisit the me Too movement and what has been
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  Speaker 1: happening as of late. So we are going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about some of the current issues and current data. We're
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  Speaker 1: not really talking about trauma and assault, but just sometimes
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  Speaker 1: hearing events that are happening I know can be triggering.
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  Speaker 1: So just to go ahead and put it out there.
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  Speaker 1: And especially if you're tired being disappointed, which I feel
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  Speaker 1: like happens for a lot of us, maybe go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and say I'll save this for later on. Yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, put up. That's very top. And yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: are also time stamping those, as it seemed most of
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  Speaker 1: the times that we do current event related episodes, by
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  Speaker 1: the time we publish it, it's already somewhat out of
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  Speaker 1: date or some of the information has changed. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: today is July eight, and we know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things can change very quickly, even though we're trying to
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  Speaker 1: publish it pretty soon after the fact. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: you never know, because as we were trying to talk
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  Speaker 1: about whether or not we were going to do an
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  Speaker 1: update on this a while ago, as we're discussing episodes
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  Speaker 1: and what we wanted to do and talk about. Ironically enough,
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  Speaker 1: the day we did decide to do this was the
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  Speaker 1: same day that Bill Cosby was released, as well as
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  Speaker 1: some of the details of the settlement for James Franco
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  Speaker 1: case was announced. So, yeah, I'm not sure how you
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  Speaker 1: feel about all that and how it seemed to align.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we called that out in a way
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  Speaker 1: that just both of us were like, what just happened?
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  Speaker 1: Did we curse something of the curse? You know? So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to revisit the me Too movement and look
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  Speaker 1: to see if any significant changes have occurred since it
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  Speaker 1: went viral in sen as a hashtag. It was originally
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  Speaker 1: started in two thousands six by Toronto Burke, a sexual
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  Speaker 1: violent survivor and advocate for other survivors, who worked to
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  Speaker 1: build a community of advocates to help support others as
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  Speaker 1: they went through their healing process. But the me Too
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  Speaker 1: movement grew quickly and was an umbrella for so many
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  Speaker 1: issues that have happened in work related circumstances beyond just harassment,
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  Speaker 1: but on equal pay, discrimination and blacklisting, as well as
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  Speaker 1: gender disparities and overall misconduct of those in power. But
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  Speaker 1: there are many have questioned if there has been any
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  Speaker 1: change at all, and if so, what type of change.
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  Speaker 1: Right As we tried to look into getting information and
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  Speaker 1: specific statistics after the viral takeoff of the hashtag, not
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  Speaker 1: much as and greatly found. It has been noted that
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  Speaker 1: there was an increase in reports of sexual assault cases
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  Speaker 1: charges filed. It did go up, but as we noted
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  Speaker 1: during our Trauma series, many survivors have felt that moment
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  Speaker 1: of encouragement and camaraderie and shared their own experiences after
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  Speaker 1: seeing others come forward. So that did happen, and there
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  Speaker 1: was a significance in numbers to that, And of course
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  Speaker 1: one of the biggest cases to come forward are the
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  Speaker 1: many incidents involving Harvey Weinstein, who is currently serving a
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  Speaker 1: twenty three years sentence in New York. Many survivors watched
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  Speaker 1: as the trial continue to unfold, and many feared, honestly
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  Speaker 1: that they would not receive justice, but we're relieved to
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  Speaker 1: see and I know we were relieved to see that
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  Speaker 1: there was some justice in the end. And it was
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  Speaker 1: just recent that a New York judge ruled that Weinstein
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  Speaker 1: could be extradited to California to face even more rape
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  Speaker 1: and sexual assault charges. And though that case specifically has um,
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  Speaker 1: for the lack of better words, a satisfying ending, um,
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  Speaker 1: there are many more that don't. And course, the continued
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  Speaker 1: discourse over cancel culture has sometimes made perpetrators painted them
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  Speaker 1: as if they are the victim, similar to the Kavanaugh
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  Speaker 1: hearing when many people criticized survivors for trying to quote
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  Speaker 1: ruin his career over stupid childish mistakes. As it stands,
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  Speaker 1: the Me Too movement is still in motion all over
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  Speaker 1: the world, um though there is an ebb and flow
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  Speaker 1: to it, to the point that many advocates fear that
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  Speaker 1: people treat this movement as a punchline instead of a
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  Speaker 1: signal for need for change. And just recently, in an
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  Speaker 1: earlier Monday Many episode, we talked about the brewery industry
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  Speaker 1: and how it's been hit hard with the many accusations
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  Speaker 1: of inappropriate behavior, whether sexist, racist, or overall harassing employees.
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  Speaker 1: And though many have called the movement of reckoning for
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  Speaker 1: the industry, there's still those who accused this to be
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  Speaker 1: a witch hunt. And there are many commentators which I
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  Speaker 1: made the mistake of reading on social media, who have
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  Speaker 1: dismissed these stories, stating that such movements should not be
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  Speaker 1: in the world of beer, stating that the beer industry
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  Speaker 1: is mal driven, which is not accurate by the way historically,
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  Speaker 1: and this industry should be only for people who are hardened,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, and can hack it in the industry, which again,
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  Speaker 1: just as a reminder, the reason the conversation began was
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  Speaker 1: because a bystandard questioned a female brewer if a woman
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  Speaker 1: brewer and her legitimacy and the brewery, she was tired
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  Speaker 1: of it and just asked have you experienced this? Which
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  Speaker 1: snowballed into a bigger, bigger movement. Right, But there have
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  Speaker 1: been improvements within the me too movement. The Human Rights
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  Speaker 1: Watch reported on the overall impact it has had in
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  Speaker 1: the world, and the report that hr W stated quote
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  Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen International Labor Organization i l O Convention
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  Speaker 1: on Violence and Harassment at Work, which four out of
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  Speaker 1: four and seventy six governments, employers and workers from around
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  Speaker 1: the world voted to adopt in June at the United Nations,
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  Speaker 1: and Geneva sets out key measures to tackle the scourge
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  Speaker 1: of harassment at work. These include the adoption of national
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  Speaker 1: laws prohibiting workplace violence and taking preventative measures, as well
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  Speaker 1: as requiring employers to have workplace policy on violence. And
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  Speaker 1: it is at the beginning of the ratification process of
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  Speaker 1: many countries willing to ratify the new treaty, including Argentina, France,
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  Speaker 1: South Africa and many others. Right so when we were
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  Speaker 1: looking at what is happening, they are starting to regulate
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  Speaker 1: the overall abuses that are happening within workplaces. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's important that we note that that even though
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  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily just about sexual violence, there is a
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  Speaker 1: measure where it's being spoken up more about the incidents
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  Speaker 1: and how we should protect workers all around the world
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  Speaker 1: and not just in the US where it started. And
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  Speaker 1: as if you look around what's going on, you have
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  Speaker 1: seen different countries have their own movements and how it's
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  Speaker 1: propelled forward. So there's good things happening, and many smaller
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  Speaker 1: organizations have looked to change their own policies within different
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  Speaker 1: industries has. In fact, one study that analyzed Weinstein's production
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  Speaker 1: company to see the effects of the METO movement showed
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  Speaker 1: some interesting results. The report stated the production company had
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  Speaker 1: taken ad digital steps to wreckt deify some of the
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  Speaker 1: damage he has caused, including hiring more women writers, apparently
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  Speaker 1: about more than before, which is a significant jump. And
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  Speaker 1: according to that same study, they stated that the earlier
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  Speaker 1: numbers there looks to have been changes in which that
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  Speaker 1: the women involved in the productions that were typically not
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  Speaker 1: offered to women went up, meaning that the me too
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  Speaker 1: movement may have quote helped reduce the gender stereotypes and
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  Speaker 1: other barriers that often keep women from working on the
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  Speaker 1: types of projects that are traditionally dominated by male writers.
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  Speaker 1: And on top of that, the same production company were
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  Speaker 1: more likely to defy gender stereotypes, which is often associated
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  Speaker 1: with a storyline that features the female protagonists. So some
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  Speaker 1: changes were significant. Yeah, but we know not all reports
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  Speaker 1: look this way, and that many of the biggest changes
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  Speaker 1: were done by those who had worked closely with Weinstein
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  Speaker 1: in the company, perhaps out of guilt or fear or
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  Speaker 1: of being implicated themselves, and that many of the people,
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  Speaker 1: as we said, earlier who made these changes were women themselves.
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  Speaker 1: As we talked about earlier, there have been continued stories
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  Speaker 1: of miscarriage's injustice where many weren't punished or canceled at all,
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  Speaker 1: which can also explain why so many survivors and victims
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  Speaker 1: do not come forward in the first place. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby is a big one. Bill Cosby was released
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  Speaker 1: on June thirty after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court vacated Cosby's
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault conviction. The court rolled quote because Cosby gave
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  Speaker 1: a damning testimony in a civil case only after a
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor promised not to pursue a criminal case against him.
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  Speaker 1: Cosby's Fifth Amendment right to avoid self incrimination has been
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  Speaker 1: violated by the use of that testimony as evidence in
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  Speaker 1: a subsequent criminal case, which is just in case people
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  Speaker 1: aren't paying attention. Not a declaration of innocence, but a
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  Speaker 1: loophole that allowed for Cazi's immediate release. And of course
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot to this entire ordeal. Many have taken
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  Speaker 1: this as an injustice and added trauma for the many
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  Speaker 1: survivors who have brfly talked about their ordeal. In the
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  Speaker 1: continued trauma from the assault, satuated by Cosby, the creator
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  Speaker 1: of the Me To movement, stated in regards to Cosby's
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  Speaker 1: release quote, today's decision is not only triggering for those
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  Speaker 1: who have experienced sexual violence and its emotional and physical consequences,
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  Speaker 1: it is a miscarriage of what little accountability survivors are
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  Speaker 1: afforded by our legal system. We created me To internationally
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  Speaker 1: to undergird the work of this global movement and interrupt
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately in sexual violence. It is within that work
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  Speaker 1: that we prioritize the disruption of dominant narratives that will
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  Speaker 1: frame the abuser as the victim and they abused as
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  Speaker 1: the villain. Our focus has been and will remain on
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  Speaker 1: the survivors. We stand strong and solidarity with them, center
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  Speaker 1: the need for healing for all who are impacted by
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  Speaker 1: the news, and reject the damaging and diminishing stories that
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  Speaker 1: will emerge from the decisions about who the survivors are
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  Speaker 1: and what they deserve. In this moment, we are speaking
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  Speaker 1: directly to the survivors. We honor you and your complicated
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  Speaker 1: journey towards healing as you define justice and accountability in
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  Speaker 1: the face of a system that fills us a every turn.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah and Cosby isn't the only one who seems to
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  Speaker 1: have been able to walk away with minimal consequences. James Franko,
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  Speaker 1: who was accused by several women of sexual abuse and harassment,
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  Speaker 1: agreed to a two million dollars settlement with his case
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  Speaker 1: in February of this year in regards to a law
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  Speaker 1: suit filed against him and his acting school. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just about the sexual abuse allegations, but other allegations of fraud.
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  Speaker 1: In the complaint, it was alleged that the school was
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  Speaker 1: used to allow Franco to quote abuse his position and
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  Speaker 1: dangled opportunities for roles in his films, and, as one
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  Speaker 1: student said, Franco engaged in quote sexually charged behavior towards
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  Speaker 1: female students and would push women into taking part in
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  Speaker 1: sex scenes in the name of education. Lawyers for Franco
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  Speaker 1: stated that they were denying all the allegations of sexual
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  Speaker 1: abuse and harassment, but that the alleged were paying the
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  Speaker 1: settlement as they felt that some quote important issues were
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  Speaker 1: raised and that all quote parties strongly believe that now
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  Speaker 1: is a critical time to focus on addressing the mistreatment
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  Speaker 1: of women in Hollywood. Right and uh, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead and say it again. I
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  Speaker 1: really find it interesting that they are just kind of
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  Speaker 1: like Cosby, not really saying that it's completely wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: I really want to say say it, but they know
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  Speaker 1: that they did something wrong. So it's kind of the
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  Speaker 1: irony of that quote. To me. I was like, really, wait,
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  Speaker 1: what so you know you did some things to women
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  Speaker 1: and you need to pay for it, but you you're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna Okay, cool, cool, cool. Again, That's a whole
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  Speaker 1: different like conversation that we could have. But I found
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  Speaker 1: those types of quotes really interesting and kind of um,
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  Speaker 1: tone deaf and the rest of what's going on. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's just me. There are other cases, including cases with
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey and as we talked about on another episode,
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  Speaker 1: Josh Weeden, who have had their names being front and
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  Speaker 1: center with the accusations and incidents of abuse, but have
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  Speaker 1: not truly seen any consequences as many survivors had hoped,
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  Speaker 1: but to see a small fragment of change, whether it
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  Speaker 1: is that the survivors are finding the strength to speak
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  Speaker 1: out or industry making the small steps to change the
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  Speaker 1: toxic culture that for too long has been accepted. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but we know there's going to be more to these stories.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously, as we had said at the very beginning,
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  Speaker 1: things change very quickly. New things arise very quickly, especially
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  Speaker 1: with this type of movement, with this type of industry.
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  Speaker 1: We'll keep checking in to see the progress or lack
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  Speaker 1: thereof within this movement. Yes, yes, for sure. I I
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  Speaker 1: do think it's opened up spaces to have these conversations,
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  Speaker 1: and and I think for some people who have been
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  Speaker 1: sheltered or have ignored what's been going on, it was
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  Speaker 1: like really enlightening to be like, oh, yeah, I've experienced
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  Speaker 1: this in the brewery industry. And then there's like thousands
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  Speaker 1: of stories and some people are like what, and other
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  Speaker 1: of us are like yeah, like right, And so I
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  Speaker 1: think that's been interesting. And I do think it's given
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  Speaker 1: a support and acceptance for people that maybe didn't have
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  Speaker 1: that um or thought that they were alone. And I,
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  Speaker 1: for some reason, like I just remember so clearly, I
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  Speaker 1: was in a lift ride way years years ago, and
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  Speaker 1: me and my friend Katie, who's been on here, we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about Kevin Spacey and the mail driver you
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  Speaker 1: could tell was like, but if if that was true,
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  Speaker 1: we have heard about it earlier, and we both kind
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  Speaker 1: of looked at each other, like people are talking about it,
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  Speaker 1: It's just no one was listening, right, So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's that's also really telling about who we listened to
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  Speaker 1: and who we don't listen to. But that being said, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we will continue to keep an eye on this um listeners.
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