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NFL Week 4 TNF Showdown | Seahawks @ Cardinals | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All system's going clear the lift Up?
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  Speaker 2: What's up? Emverer One, Tyler Tamberline here aka Totag and Tamba,
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  Speaker 2: back for another edition of the Showdown Show Here on
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  Speaker 2: a Thursday night. We've got Seattle at Arizona. We've got Hoop,
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  Speaker 2: We've got Title, We've got myself, and we've got a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of people that probably hopefully by now know what
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  Speaker 2: a thumbs up button is. So do us a favor
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  Speaker 2: on the way in Smash the Light. We've got two
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  Speaker 2: golden shipping announcements today, two big winners coming up, the
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  Speaker 2: head to head with Hoopster and then the share Ship
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  Speaker 2: this week playing in the three thirty three Wildcat with
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty k up top Wop. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: start with you, man, you got the best of us
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  Speaker 2: at the last show was Detroit at Baltimore. The reverse
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  Speaker 2: line movement we were talking about. It just kept going
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  Speaker 2: and going, and the next thing you know, Detroit comes
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  Speaker 2: in and gets the job done, and Title and I
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  Speaker 2: were wrong. We like those Ravens. I still think they
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  Speaker 2: look so good. Yet they did not come through or
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  Speaker 2: look good in the finish of that game. So what's
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 2: How you doing.
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  Speaker 4: I think I might have been more wrong than you
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  Speaker 4: guys own the game. Like I was fully against my
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  Speaker 4: my Lions on Monday, and they obviously pleasantly surprised. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I fully wrote them off after week one, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna obviously at this point it definitely looked like a
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  Speaker 4: donkey because they bounced back nicely and I was the
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  Speaker 4: hell of I mean, they could have won that game
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  Speaker 4: by three touchdowns. I mean, that's how much they dominated
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  Speaker 4: that game. I mean, the Lions looked absolutely phenomenal. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: and I was not expecting that at all. They won
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  Speaker 4: in every single facet of the game. Ravens defense looked
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  Speaker 4: like complete shit, and you know, one of very few
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  Speaker 4: defenses to keep Lamar in check. Lamar couldn't do anything
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  Speaker 4: like he barely barely broke away. So he definitely got
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  Speaker 4: to give credit to the Lions in that game. I
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  Speaker 4: was definitely wrong, and you know, obviously gonna have to
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  Speaker 4: take an l here at some point, because that's a
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  Speaker 4: that's a big, big boy win, regular season win, Monday
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  Speaker 4: Night football in Baltimore, big time underdogs. They got, they
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  Speaker 4: got the job done. I don't think Baltimore's you know
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  Speaker 4: dead by any stretch of the imagination, but it's pretty
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  Speaker 4: crazy that either the Ravens or or the Chiefs are
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  Speaker 4: going to be like what uh you know, one in
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  Speaker 4: three after this week, which is pretty uh, pretty wild.
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  Speaker 4: So that'll be a good game on the main slate.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll see this game tonight, you know, close spread.
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  Speaker 4: We have some options. We're going to talk through it all.
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  Speaker 4: But one thing I definitely got to address is the
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  Speaker 4: uh the ship at games had to head stuff because
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  Speaker 4: I mean I set the over under at nine and
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  Speaker 4: a half wins for me extended to three and oh boys,
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  Speaker 4: like someone someone's got to bring it, and last week
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  Speaker 4: was pretty close. I got to give my guys some
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  Speaker 4: some crowd anyways, closed, I think I only won by three.
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  Speaker 4: McCaffrey got there at the end with some of those
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  Speaker 4: dump offfs, but he was beating me for a while.
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  Speaker 4: But what do they say, The cream kind of always
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  Speaker 4: rises at the top and three and oh looking to
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  Speaker 4: go four and oh so whoever gets drawn for that one,
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  Speaker 4: you gotta you know, do some research and put in
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  Speaker 4: some work because you can't let me go four and oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Coach sav came through with the two dollars and
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  Speaker 2: smash the like. That's what we like, just to get
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  Speaker 2: up on the screen. You put the couple of dollars
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  Speaker 2: in there. We appreciate it, but mainly letting everybody know
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  Speaker 2: smash the like button on the way in. I lost
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  Speaker 2: it all the chats asking about the shelves. Yeah, lost
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  Speaker 2: it all on the Ravens man, the Lions came through.
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  Speaker 2: Had to sell my shit. We're onto the next one.
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  Speaker 2: But title, I'll bring you in man. Obviously you know
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  Speaker 2: people know about tambo HQ. We're moving in. That's what's
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  Speaker 2: going on. So my dad's coming by tonight. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get this stuff moved across. But excited for that title.
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  Speaker 2: What's happening, man? How you doing?
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  Speaker 3: I lost it all too Justice Hill, I mean, man,
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  Speaker 3: it was crazy. All the world works. I mean we
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  Speaker 3: literally talked about not looking at your phone, not sweating games.
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  Speaker 3: If you can't handle it, then I was on a plane.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, close to two hundred fourteen big ones. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're on it to day. No one cares.
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  Speaker 2: Did they tell you in the discord? I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to be like mean about it the truth, but luck
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  Speaker 2: like you might this might be calming for you is
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  Speaker 2: like any checkdown. It wasn't just that he got the first.
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  Speaker 2: It was only like a point behind you, So he
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  Speaker 2: got If he gets the checkdown, you got hurt.
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  Speaker 3: But fourth and ten, right, if they get us, if
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  Speaker 3: Justice Hill gets tackled fourth and ten to stop, I win, right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think my my rendition of it, what I
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  Speaker 2: saw was because I checked right. Well, I was excited,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm now you know me, I'm the guy that
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  Speaker 2: leaves it till the very end. It's like, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was third and twenty six, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 3: There's third and twenty six. Justice Hill got to what
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  Speaker 3: fourth and ten, fourth and nine, which is less than
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  Speaker 3: twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: I think the catch and run alone was gonna be
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  Speaker 2: good because I think you were there were only like
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  Speaker 2: one point one behind it.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't Justice Hill though. It wasn't Justice.
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  Speaker 3: Hill Lamar, which is less.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a Lamar touchdown after that that put it.
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  Speaker 4: The Chasers didn't have Justice Hill. The Chasers had had Lamar.
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  Speaker 4: It needed the touchdown at the end. He was he was,
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  Speaker 4: he was clean up until.
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  Speaker 3: I stop unfourtune.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it. I saw forty six k up top
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  Speaker 2: right after that I was like, ah, fuck.
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  Speaker 3: Well that makes me. That makes me feel a lot
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  Speaker 3: better because then a different lineup would have passed me.
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  Speaker 2: Then yeah, Andrews TD busted at all wide open but idle,
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  Speaker 2: saying the proof of if he had a got there
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  Speaker 2: without the stupid Justice Hill ship at the end. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there was a forty six k.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well you made me feel so much better.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make you feel better. There was a
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  Speaker 2: forty six k. If people weren't.
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  Speaker 3: Following up, all right, thank you, thank you. I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was tilted about the tap. I was on a plane,
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  Speaker 3: I was asleep, just crazy how the world works. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: don't look at your phone. We've done this for it.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you can't handle it, it's really rare. Can
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  Speaker 3: you win that much money up top? But when I
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  Speaker 3: saw the three people because the night to go rewatch it,
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  Speaker 3: someone take me and then three guys couldn't tackle Justice Hill.
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  Speaker 3: So then I was doing the math. You made me
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  Speaker 3: feel so much better.
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  Speaker 2: You got to take care of my boy. There'll be
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  Speaker 2: another one, Like we said, we got a long season
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  Speaker 2: to ship more. But that I mean, obviously would have
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  Speaker 2: been incredible. That's why we play the game. That's the
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  Speaker 2: type of lineups we want to get up top. That's
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  Speaker 2: what this show is all about. So let's try and
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  Speaker 2: help you guys get to the top your stuff. Tonight,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna talk process, We're gonna bring up Sabersim gonna
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  Speaker 2: go through it all. Title, I'm gonna actually stay with you.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely an interesting slate here. What is your sort of
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  Speaker 2: grand scheme overview on this battle Seattle at the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 2: Each team, as you know, twenty one twenty two is
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  Speaker 2: not the biggest total. But we've seen these games go
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  Speaker 2: two different ways, right, really low scoring or just start
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  Speaker 2: going back and forth and speed up quick. And there
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  Speaker 2: is some guys on these teams that can make that happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's your first thoughts on this game as a whole?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, division game, short week, great division. Both teams two
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  Speaker 3: and one, the whole Rams are two and one, Niners
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  Speaker 3: are three and zero. James Connor brutal injury shot, I
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  Speaker 3: mean brutals for him, hopefully recovers. Trey Benson now will
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  Speaker 3: be the starting running back for the Cardinals. I always
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  Speaker 3: like the Kyler Murray slates because he's like the I
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  Speaker 3: mean Dollar Tree version of Lamar Josh Allen just in
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  Speaker 3: the sense of he can get there with his legs
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  Speaker 3: and you can do a lot of things different when
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  Speaker 3: you play him captain or you do stuff that way.
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  Speaker 3: Sharbonnat will be back. We saw a big game from
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  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker last week. I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: good options thought of Bible captain options, and I think
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  Speaker 3: you can even maybe go down not low low, but
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  Speaker 3: like maybe a Greg Dorch of the world, a Cooper
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  Speaker 3: Cup of the world. Sharbon A. I don't know, do
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  Speaker 3: I love it? No, But looking at these captain percentages
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  Speaker 3: right now, like we talked about the Montgomery stuff and
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  Speaker 3: little things that way, like you you can leave money
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  Speaker 3: on the table and you can get to some of
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  Speaker 3: these non like all I hear is Trey McBride or
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  Speaker 3: a Kyler Murray or stuff like that. But it is
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  Speaker 3: looking like captain ownerships getting spread out a decent bit,
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  Speaker 3: which is always what I like to see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good for us late Like tonight, I really
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  Speaker 2: like this slag just based on how it sets up
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  Speaker 2: some of the injury stuff and then also the pricing.
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  Speaker 2: It has just stayed the same way. I know, like
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  Speaker 2: not everybody loves that hoop because you've talked about it
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  Speaker 2: for years, and like you know, obviously it's usually at
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  Speaker 2: the start of the season when you see it the
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  Speaker 2: most because they're trying to fill up these all star
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  Speaker 2: you know, get these all star lines to fill up
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  Speaker 2: these big tournaments that they are putting out there. But
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  Speaker 2: again tonight, twenty dollars on DraftKings five hundred k up top,
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  Speaker 2: and the pricing is set for I mean, you can
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  Speaker 2: get Kyler at captain for sixteen to two if you
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  Speaker 2: want to get there. I mean, if he your guys,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be. But just noting it, you
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  Speaker 2: can kind of do whatever you want. Jackson Smith and
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  Speaker 2: Jigba he's sixteen to five up top, probably get some
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  Speaker 2: of the steam and whatnot as well. But what are
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  Speaker 2: you seeing for your grand scheme overview? And then maybe
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  Speaker 2: you could start working on Sabersim and bringing that up
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  Speaker 2: we can start from there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's going to be relatively condensed in terms
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  Speaker 4: of ownership at the captain position. And I do struggle
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  Speaker 4: with some of these outside guys that we'll discuss in
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  Speaker 4: the in the captain spot. It's two teams that their
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  Speaker 4: offense is already pretty consolidated in terms of where they go,
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  Speaker 4: and like I don't know, I struggle to find upside
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of guys on the site, so we'll
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  Speaker 4: we'll talk through all. But the four are definitely McBride, Benson,
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  Speaker 4: Smith and Jigba and then me and Kyler Murray I'm
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  Speaker 4: assuming get a majority of it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, with the.
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  Speaker 4: Running backs for Seattle, it's tough now that that Charbonna
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  Speaker 4: is likely back. I don't know if they fully announced that,
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  Speaker 4: but it's he's practice in full all week, officially listened
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  Speaker 4: as questionable. Have to imagine he plays, and they probably
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  Speaker 4: go back to more of like a fifty to fifty thing,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, I guess he has a relatively cheap
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  Speaker 4: price tag at fifty four, but Kenneth Walker has an
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  Speaker 4: expensive price tag at ten flour. So it's pretty tough
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  Speaker 4: with those guys likely splitting carries. You know, outside of
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  Speaker 4: trade McBride, which patch pass catcher on the Cardinals can
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  Speaker 4: can really have a ceiling game. It makes it pretty
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  Speaker 4: difficult for me personally at the at the captain spot
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  Speaker 4: a little bit different, I would say, non FanDuel, where
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  Speaker 4: the quarterbacks have more of an advantage. I think you
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  Speaker 4: can bring like the Sam Darnolds of the world back
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  Speaker 4: into the conversation a little bit. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: there's not a ton of cheap, viable value plays on
• 9:47
  Speaker 4: the slate either, so I think it's a little bit
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  Speaker 4: tricky when it comes to that. So yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 4: good one. So it could be for me where I
• 9:54
  Speaker 4: go pretty condensed at captain and then condense with my
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  Speaker 4: player pool as well and just eliminate some of these
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  Speaker 4: fringe plays that I just don't really see getting there.
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  Speaker 4: So kind of where I'm at, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think you leave a bunch of salary on the
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  Speaker 2: table tonight. That's the most clear piece for me, is
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  Speaker 2: like just looking at it just doesn't matter because it's
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  Speaker 2: what you said. Even if you went to let's say
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  Speaker 2: a Cooper Cup and you want to put him up top,
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  Speaker 2: you know he's showing much really low ownership up there
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  Speaker 2: right now, like you talked about, because the other guys
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  Speaker 2: that are there, he would be able to let you
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  Speaker 2: fit in a bunch of these other dudes. But then
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  Speaker 2: there's the situational stuff of do you want Kenneth Walker
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  Speaker 2: sharponnay back all that sort of stuff, and then do
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  Speaker 2: you really need to put Darnald into your lineup. So title,
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  Speaker 2: I'll kick it to you for the captain thoughts. Before
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  Speaker 2: I kick it to you, I will say, Michael Peterson,
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  Speaker 2: we are going to announce the head to head winner
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  Speaker 2: for this week soon. I don't think it's Michael Peterson
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  Speaker 2: from what we drew up before we came on, but
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  Speaker 2: he says, from one mic to another, you will be
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: saying well done to something else besides your steak choice
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  Speaker 2: after I beat you, So come in with the woodliners too.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta love that and the show knowledge of how you
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  Speaker 2: do your steak. So I gotta appreciate Michael Peterson.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely great, great comment there.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to Richard five bucks in the thirty two hundred.
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  Speaker 3: That's quite the day.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: Beauty said, need to get a ship logo. Ship at
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: nation dot Com. Slash logos gets you involved in the
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  Speaker 2: winner circle too if you're a ship at slash Saberson member,
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  Speaker 2: but if not, we appreciate you repping the brand and
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  Speaker 2: that's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: ROI.
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: wish I had it in the big one or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Five bucks to thirty two forty, that's insane return and
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  Speaker 2: now you can go do your thing, get another one done,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe you win even more So congrats to you.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead title.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know for I mean, I think I'm gonna
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: be pretty spread out in the sense of like, of
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  Speaker 3: course I like JSN. He's showing to be the highest.
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  Speaker 3: With all that being said, though, right now we currently
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  Speaker 3: don't have anyone projected over twenty percent. When you add
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  Speaker 3: up the four highest own what we have JSN, Trade, McBride, Benson, Kyler,
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  Speaker 3: we're sitting at like fifty five percent ownership. So if
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  Speaker 3: you really want to just jam those four, you can
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  Speaker 3: clearly get overweight and all four of those clearly, I
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  Speaker 3: won't be taking that approach. I like JSN, I like Kyler,
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  Speaker 3: my two clear favorites. Jsn's target share has been insane
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  Speaker 3: this year, always open. It feels like again I mentioned
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  Speaker 3: the thing with Kyler, just as legs, he can get
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  Speaker 3: there in so many ways you can play him, so
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  Speaker 3: in so many ways when you play met captain, you
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  Speaker 3: want to play three receivers, two receivers, just one pass catcher.
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  Speaker 3: So I like a lot of that stuff. I'm seeing
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  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker five percent. We have him at captain ownership.
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  Speaker 3: I mean Sharbonnay was like, he didn't play last week
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  Speaker 3: for a reason. He's probably a little banged up. He's
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  Speaker 3: gonna play today. But Kenneth look great. If we're seeing
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  Speaker 3: five percent ownership for a guy like Kim, let me
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  Speaker 3: pull up a touchdown prop quick. It's the second best
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  Speaker 3: on the slate plus one fifteen Trey Bentson plus one ten.
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  Speaker 3: So that was a spot that stood out to me.
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  Speaker 3: And when you play a Kenneth Walker, you can play
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  Speaker 3: like a Seattle defense, maybe low owned to get after Kyler.
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  Speaker 3: You can play undergame. Maybe it slows it down. I
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  Speaker 3: like Kenneth at that ownership quite a bit. Trey Benson too.
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  Speaker 3: Now he is definitely getting some but a starting running
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  Speaker 3: back now that can catch passes out of the backfield.
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  Speaker 3: I assume Kyler's gonna probably dump it down and rely
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  Speaker 3: on him quite a bit. Again, plus one ten to
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  Speaker 3: score the best in the game. I like both the
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  Speaker 3: running backs. Kyler JSN is my favorite. I do like
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  Speaker 3: Trey McBride. I am worried if one guy did get
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  Speaker 3: a little steam that could be him. Nothing bad to say,
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  Speaker 3: one of the best tight ends in football. Yeah, really,
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  Speaker 3: nothing bad at all. Greg Dortch is the one that
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  Speaker 3: I got some interest in if I am going cheap
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  Speaker 3: at Captain. I have interest in the flex as well,
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  Speaker 3: but only forty eight hundred when you play him. When
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  Speaker 3: Greg Dortch is on the field, this dude just made
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  Speaker 3: plays for years. Slot guy Kyler likes im a quick
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  Speaker 3: you can get, like a quick five yard hitch. He
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  Speaker 3: can run after the catch. No Za Jones in this game,
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  Speaker 3: so that's going to open up a good amount more
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  Speaker 3: snaps for Greg Dortch. I'm in on Greg Dortch Captain teams.
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: I'm in on Greg Dortch and the Flex. He has
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  Speaker 3: won my favorite value pieces on the slate. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how much I love Marv. I'm fine with it.
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  Speaker 3: The Cooper cups, those two I just like never play
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  Speaker 3: on Nain slates. I mean, Marvi has had multiple opportunities
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  Speaker 3: absolutely nuke slates this year. I know Kyler missed him
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  Speaker 3: on one really long touchdown. I think it was Week two.
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  Speaker 3: He had a solid Week one. The targets really haven't
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  Speaker 3: been there much. But I'm indifferent to kut Marvin. I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna let you guys talk about them. Sharbone is the
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  Speaker 3: one I've been going back and forth on just because
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  Speaker 3: I mentioned I like Kenneth Walker, but sharb is only
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  Speaker 3: five point four k really cheap, only projecting four percent
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: owned at the captain position, and he's plus two zero
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: five to score. So I am more interested in these
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: cheap captains and mainly just Door Charbonay than I have
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: been on most slates, though, because I wouldn't be shocked.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: I guess if no players scored over twenty one DK
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: points on this slate, like forty three and a half
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: total division game, it could play uglier. And if that's
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: the case and Sharbi gets like sixty on the ground
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: for a touchdown, that could be enough to get like
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: just jammin studs up top. So I'm gonna be more
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: spread out at the captain position.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. Gotta say, what up to my
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: guy Kenny Z. Got to meet this guy in Boston
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: when Rio sent me out for his Fantasy Baseball World
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Championship plus one and Kenny Z's the man got to
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: meet him and some of his family down there, so
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: got to shout out to him. Our other guy, Kenny
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: w been with us for a long time, says he's
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: very tough click for team watch the tape, folks. He
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: looked so bad against the Saints. But the thing is
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are watching the highlight, folks, and
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: what they would see is Kenneth Walker jamming into the
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: end zone, regardless of how it happened or how he.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Got to disagree a little bit. I don't know. I
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: think he had some pretty tough runs. It didn't start good,
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: but he ran hard in my opinion, So I gotta
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: disagree with my man, Kenny.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna disagree with you, and I'm going with Kenny
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: because I watched the majority of that game and he
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: did look he did look bad. I mean, yeah, you
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: can can run hard, but if you're ask ain't going anywhere,
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter how hard you're run.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: I mean he got hit. He got hit at the
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: line of scrimage a lot. He carried some dudes on
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: his back. I disagree with the both of you.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm indifferent. Run hard, Yeah, I'm not too sure.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Like you know, I think he was obviously playing him
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: last week. I think it was fine. People get mad
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: when these chalk players get there. I mean, that's certainly
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest takeaways is you know, I had
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: to say it today, shout up to our big guy
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: in the sky, DJ seventy five. But you kind of
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: said it too title with what you just said in
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: a different way when you're when you got these captains,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: and even if it is condensed that it's fifty sixty
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: percent of the captain, ownership is on four guys. He
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: always said ownership is leverage. If you like, you can like, oh,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: don't play Jordan Mason. Why not, Oh he's thirty percent.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna fade his ass, all right, fade his ass.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: He's thirty percent for a reason. He looks pretty damn
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: good on paper. You can play sixty percent. You can
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: lock him in. You can do a lot of different
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: things to make sure you've got leverage. Yet people just
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: want to move off situational stuff for oh, I'm just
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: gonna fade to Faid like you don't have to do
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: any of that. So Hoob'll kick it back to you
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: man your thoughts at captain. But like you said, it's
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: it's pretty condensed for where most people are going, it
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: would seem. And just got the notice right now Zach
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Sharbone expected to play, so just more official than you
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: know what we were thinking anyway, but it's it looks
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: good to go expected to play tonight.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just I'm probably likely to go the more
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: condensed route. I haven't built any teams, but I just, man,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: I struggle clicking some of these other guys names.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: In the Captain.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: But you know, a good point that title did make.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: If you are going the Chief Captain route, you have
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: to operate under the assumption that nobody obviously goes off
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: where you're thinking everyone stays under twenty. And I agree
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: that could. I wouldn't be shocked if that happened in
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: this game. It's just not something that I'm gonna do.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna, I guess lean on these high volume guys
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: like you know, JSN McBride, Benson. You know, I will
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: say Kyler Murray is a guy that probably does get
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: a decent bit of ownership by default, but I don't
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: necessarily love Kyler Murley. Like, when's when's the last time
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: Kyler Murray has gone off and nuke to nuke to slaate.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a lot of fifteen, sixteen, seventeen
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Fantasy Point games. He's probably my least favorite of the
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: guys that I plan on playing up top, and then
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: like Marvin Harrison Junior, like what do you do there?
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Like it's been it's been bad, like no upside dropping passes.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: He's got hit eighteen in week one, uh and then
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: four and seven Fantasy points in the weeks after. So
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just you know, for me, the
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: toughest part of the slight is definitely happened because I
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: just don't really love anyone all that much outside of
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the Lake JSN and UH and McBride. So it's definitely
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: regardless of what I do, it's gonna be condensed up
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: there for me. I'm just I'm not gonna stretch it
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: out to those cheap or mid tier guys. I'm gonna
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: hope one of the big boys just fully gets there.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say this for sure. I mean, we're
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: now I'm disagreeing with Kenny again because you know, I'm
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: going on the title side of this, but we love Kenny,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: so that's all love. But just to note it, like,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I think Kyler's a phenomenal play to I don't really
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: care about the you know, all the what are the
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: chances are? What have we seen I really don't care
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: about any of it because all I care is tonight
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: one s late. And if Benson's gonna be as owned
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: as he is, Kyler can take that right from him away.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And if he doesn't come in at like twelve percent
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: in the Captain or something, I think it's a great spot.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Also Benson, the backups, Harrison, Wilson, Dorsch McBride, dude can
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: spread it out a ton and run with his legs.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I definitely think that's a possibility. So he makes sense.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: And even on the other side, I'm gonna harp on this,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and last year is a pretty good success rate. Sam
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Darnold all the same. You got multiple running backs. He
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: can throw it to JS and Cooper cup Horton. Here's
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: a who with in there. He got aj Barner in
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: backups at tight end like these guys can spread it
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: out a ton. And also it could be a super
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: low scoring game. So that's seventeen eighteen. We just talked
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: about who breaks twenty. Well, usually quarterbacks are most likely
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: to be that seventeen to twenty range or break it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: So I think it's fine. I like the other plays.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: You'll probably better, Like you said, JSN and those guys,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: but everybody does. It's all baked in, like I kept
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: talking about in the discord today. So I do have
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: interest in the quarterbacks here more than usual. And it
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: looks like Donald could be sub ten and Kyler is
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: going to be just over. We never see that. That's
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: just so random to see in these types of spots,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: especially if we think it's gonna be lower scoring. So
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I think they could be the ones that come through.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Who.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I don't if you have any follow up or title,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: but that's where i'd be at on this stuff, outside
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: of the great points you guys both made on all
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: the other options.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, on I'm playing Kyler. Donald's a little tougher
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: for me, just mainly because he just seems to focus
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: so much on JSN. Now, maybe Horton or Barn or
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: random guys can get there, but like man, if it's
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: just the constant rate to target the tree that we've
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: seen with JSN, it feels like if Donald goes for
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: two eighty and two, JSN probably has like one hundred
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: and thirty of those, and with the full point PPR
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: he gets there more. But maybe not. I don't know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: he'll be low owned, like very rarely are you going
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: to see a quarterback captain as low as Sam Darnald
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: will be tonight. Yeah.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: An other thing definitely to consider when when going with
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Kyler captain is no James Connor. And you know they've
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: been willing to just jam James Connor at the goal
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: line or inside the five, Like, are they willing to
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: do that with Trey Benson. Probably not so. I mean
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: I think he could get you know, some additional upside
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: with Kyler at the goal line or around the goal
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: line at the five yard line or you know those
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: sort of scenarios.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just it's a good why I
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: said earlier off the top, like I love this slate
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: is just I think there's lever jobs also Marv Harrison
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: at like six percent? Again, what do you have to
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: what are we on week three? Week four? We're on
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: week four? Like I just I just will always play that,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: not worry about it too much. You know, if he
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: has another bad, so be it. There's not many guys
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: in this game that look like they can just break
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: out and have a huge game. Hence the ownership being
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: as high as it is on JSN and others. JSN
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: looks phenomenal. Looks like a top five wide receiver in
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the league right now, so and some of the good
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: ones that are up there at the top haven't looked
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: as good because of quarterback situations or things like that,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: so he looks even better. But everybody knows that and
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: that's why he is. Like I said, you can get
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: leverage through the ownership and he'll be in the pool.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: But I'm definitely gonna be spreading out on some of
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: these other guys, Like if you get if Marv actually
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: comes in at like six, I'll definitely be a double that, Like,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that's for sure, because if you could get a break,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: if he just gets loose for one like big one,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: that could be massive, and then anything else you can
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: pick up along the way. And he's kind of in
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: between the Benson and McBride stuff and on the opposite
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: side of JSN. So I'm thinking about all those things
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: combined together, and then you can kind of fit whatever
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: else you want in the line up all the same anyway,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So it's not really gonna be that unique of a
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: lineup besides the captains different, and it's built slightly whatever.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And then a little bit of money left on the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: table but title kick it back to you, man, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: if you don't have anything else you can talk you.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, you even hit on some of the darnold stuff.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: So maybe take it into running back with Walker, Sharboney,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Benson de Mercado, that type of stuff.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the price difference between Walker and sharbon
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: A ten to four for Walker, the second highest on
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the slate, definitely feels like overpriced, especially when you look
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: at the rushing props. Fifty one and a half yards
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: for Kenneth Walker, thirty nine and a half for sharbon Ay.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of like where I prefer Walker at Captain.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I like both that captain, but I prefer Walker and
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the captain. Then I do the Flex because I either
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: want him to fully get there and him fully getting
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: there feels like two rushing touchdowns maybe three that way,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: But that's a big boy price in the flex. I
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: prefer to take the five K savings and just go
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: sharbon A. Again, that rushing prop is really similar for
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: that many for that much savings, So I think sharbon
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: A is a very strong play in the flex. Don't
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: love Walker as much in the Flex, prefer Captain Trey Benson.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I'm I mean he's now a starting running back. Eighty
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: eight hundred is up there, but he can catch passes like,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: he looks good. They talk preseason that they were gonna
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: start playing Benson more and eating into Connor to try
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: and save them throughout the year. So I think he's
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: ready for a big role. Props so that he's ready
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: for a big role, like de Mercado's rushing props only
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: thirteen and a half yards, Benson's the highest on the
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: slate at fifty six and a half. I like Trey
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Benson quite a bit, and then de Mercado just a
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: value play thirty eight hundred, can catch a pass or
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: too out of the backfield if anything happens to Benson
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: or he's tired, Like you get a backup running back
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: at thirty eight hundred, so you can definitely do worse
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: than that. And we're only showing like, I don't know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: like ten percent or something that's pretty low ownership. So
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: eleven percent. I like all three of the running back
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I'll play a lot of running backs today. Walker is
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: my least favorite in the flex, but yeah, give me,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: give me all four of them, and I'm not gonna
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: play anyone else.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's you know, really really interesting because that's
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: definitely part of it. But you know that's also that's
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: all the conversation tonight. It's a lot of the ownership
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: on the Arizona side, to say the least. And then
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you've got the conversation around like Walker, rus Charboney versus
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the other stuff with de Mercado and Benson and all that.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: So it seems to be more of the conversation outside
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: of JSN. I know we're not there yet. I'm gonna
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: let Hoop talk running back too, but once we get
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: outside of JSN, there's not too much excitement or conversation
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: at wide receiver and then obviously at tight end. We
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: got one tight end that everybody knows and plays weekly
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: for good reason. Trey McBride's a stud. You can play him.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: It's he's come with some ownership too, but again, tons
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: of ways to get different, so he's fine. It's just
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: noting that they a lot of the conversation is just
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: around the running backs, and we got the news early, Hoops,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: so kick it to you, man, What other thoughts do
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: you have to add when it comes to running backs
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: in this game? How long we let him go.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Not too much more to add. There's just not a
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: ton of overall plays on the site, which we'll get to.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: We'll get to like wide receiver and things like that.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: There's just not a ton of appealing plays. So you
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: have four running backs that likely get some degree of work.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: So I think they're all in play. Benson likely the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: highest oone just because new role, no James Connor. He's
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: going to be the main guy, and he's cheap, you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: eighty eight hundred. Uh see, seems a little fine with him.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Uh de Mercato I liked a lot at at thirty
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: eight hundred. I think he's a fine value play. They're
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: not gonna, you know, let Benson go out there and
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: play every single stat and De Mercado is going to
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: be out there. He probably gets the two minute work,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: which again at the price tag, we always talk about
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: these guys that can just get there in one drive.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Like he's priced where he could get there if he
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: picks up you know, three catches, a few dump offs,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: and you know, picks up from yardage like at thirty
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: eight hundred, that's all you need. I think the most
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: interesting talking point though, when when looking at the running backs.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Definitely Kenneth Walker that clearly looks overpriced at ten to four,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: a guy that is now back to splitting carries with
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: with Charbonnay, but like the ownership if it holds true,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: we're showing like around twenty percent, like even if he's
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: splitting carries, he has multiple touchdown upside and no one
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: wants to play and because of the price tag, I
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: think Walker is an interesting plate tonight and just gave
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: up on him. He was the most popular running back
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: on a full slate last week, and I get Sharbonne
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: was out, and that's obvious why this scenario is different,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: but no one wants to play him because of the
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: price tag. He has multiple touchdown upside. I think it's
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: definitely what you do with Kenneth Walker is important on
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: the slate. And then Charbonne is fine at five to four,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: probably looks pretty underpriced, where if you imagine that he's
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: getting back to fifty to fifty split with Kenneth Walker,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: which is likely the case, maybe like a little less
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: than fifty percent for him, but still at fifty four hundred,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: solid solid price EG. So I guess long story short,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: all these guys are in play to some degree for
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: me today.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have much to add. You guys covered
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: it quite well, so I'll just move to to wide receiver.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: One thing I'll bring up for you to talk about
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Sambo de Mercado, dors Wilson, Like all in that similar
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: price range, we're showing Wilson clearly the highest owned twenty
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: three percent, Doorge fourteen, deMercado eleven. Like any thoughts on there,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: like if you play Kyler, you're more likely to play
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the receivers, like I think.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's what I was gonna lean to. So
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you're kind of exactly segueing it to it anyway, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that because that's kind of what I was thinking.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Is Again, even though it looks like Wilson will will
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: have double his ownership or something like that, it just
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: depends on how you're building out. But when I'm having
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Kyler up top, I'm definitely gonna be mixing in these
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: guys like Wilson. I loved your call on Dorsch earlier.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: We know what he can do, and you were talking
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: about I'm up top. He could definitely be in the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: flex if you can put them up top. So I
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: like that about these guys, they're all in that similar
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: price point though, so there's different ways that you can
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: build with it. But I think both of them are interesting.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And it's what you said, it's on both sides. On
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: both sides of the running backs, I'll finish with this
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: and move to wide receiver. Is it's five thousand less
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: for the guy behind, So it's Kenda Walker's ten four,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: you get Sharbonnet for fifty four, Trey Benson's eighty eight,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: de Mercados thirty eight. Oh, but I think these guys
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: are Yeah, that's the everything's maked in, the projection's there already,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the ownership's already like it's it's five grand off and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: you have to decide that's why it's five grand off.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: And in some cases it's easier for others, like some
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of the chats saying, I don't see how you would
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: play Kenneth Walker at ten to four, and if they
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: even go to running back, maybe they go to scharponnay,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: because he's cleared and good to go already. For the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: other side, people might say, well, I don't know if
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Benson's going to cover for Connor like on paper he is,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: but I don't know if that's going to really cover
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: off the output that we would expect from him, I'll
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: just save the cheese and go down to Demercatto. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that's fine too. So there's tons of different ways you
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: can play it. But I think wide receiver becomes a
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: lot more interesting for me, particularly because two things. One,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I'm playing quarterbacks up top. Two, I think all the
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: focuses on the running backs, and it's very easy to
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: see that being how the game starts out, like, yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you want to get these running backs rolling against each other.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: You talked about a division game, but we are in Arizona.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: We can just see Marv Harrison Junior take the top
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: off earlier, JSN with the chalk version the other way,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: take the top off early. And now it's go time.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And now we start speeding up. Now we see things
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: get quick, and all the props and everything that people
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: are looking at her for sure legit and they look
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: like we're in for a lower scoring game. But that's
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: all baked in too. That's how that's how it happens.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: And if you're playing for a different script, you don't
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: to put all your lineups towards this. But I could
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: definitely see a spot here where we see them getting
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: going early and back and forth. It just it's because
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: of the negative sort of negative approach of oh Sam
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Darnold or the guys behind JSN Sock or they're old
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: or whatever else that might be, or Michael Wilson and
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: dortch or dust and they never do anything that we
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: don't care about anything they've done to this point. All
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: we care about is tonight you got to play somebody
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to fill out your lineups. I think there's you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Horton looks to be picking up more steam than what
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: the ownership actually shows. But at least he's fifty eight hundred,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: so you are having to pay for it if that's
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the case. I do feel like because of this time,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: actually IM gonna stay with you, Aziel, because we're you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: talking back and forth on this. But I will say,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: because you're nodding at it, and I agree, like he's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: fifty eight. But it's what I said earlier. You can
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: there's so much salary to use, you just don't need it.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: In these cases. You can find five grand on a
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: running back from kW three down to Charbonnay. Well, now
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you can easily get from Michael Wilson. To Horton and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: still be looking to spend money. So what's your take
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: on that. You know, I saw you not at the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Horton stuff, but you mentioned Cup earlier, you mentioned dors
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: anything you have to add at wide receiver.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: With all that said, yeah, you got me excited if
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: he's gonna get steam at fifty eight hundred when I'm
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: looking at his receiving prop at twenty six and a
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: half yards, like I just dropped me down to Dorsch
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: and save all the money, drop me down to Wilson,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: drop me down to de Mercado. Now I'm not saying
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I hate him, like I'm not gonna completely fade him,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: and I gotta quit saying like that. I talked shit
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: about Mark Andrews absolute nuke. I talked about like I
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: gotta trust the process a little more than think I
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: know more than all this stuff. But just looking at
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the price and the receiving prop and if he's gonna
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: get a little steam, that definitely is something I don't love.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Now it is like this receiving room is gross, like
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Hoop was talking about it. Only two guys are projected
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: for over fifty receiving yards for props JSN at eighty
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: four and a half in a tier of his own,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: and then Trey McBride's literally only one receiver Mar's forty
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: eight and a half forty two and a half for Cup,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: and then knowing above thirty, Deorch is definitely my favorite,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: and like Nose Jones, A Jones was playing fifty percent
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: one of the snaps. The Cardinals play so many three
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: receiver sets. Again, we've been playing dfs for a long time.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Anytime dors has had a full role or a good role.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, Kyler likes him, he makes plays, he's shifty,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna play a good amount of Greg Dortch.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: We have him lower owned than Michael Wilson too. I
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: like Wilson though as well, like he's the bigger guy.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: He can get in the box, he can extend the
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: play downfield a little bit. So I lean these Cardinals guys.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: And nothing bad to say about JSN at all. Marv
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Cooper Cup, Oh my gosh, I don't know. Like I
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: said at captain, I'm so torn. Seventy eight hundred and
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: seven k for forty eight and a half, receiving prof
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: for forty two and a half. But again, if Marv
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: gets thirteen or Cup, that's possible. It could be on
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: the flex on the flex winner. Like, I don't see
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: this game being too high scoring. I prefer running backs
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: over receivers. I do think Seattle's gonna try and run
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: the football like they've always want to do, slow down
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: the game, and it's just so concentrated to JSN. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: really don't love the secondary guy too much. Horton feels overpriced.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Cooper Cup I'm very indifferent about. But dort I mean
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Dortch doorts is my guy today.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in a couple of the chatter with you.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: The Wilson spot is good as well. Hoo, where are
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you at with those two? And then some of the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: other spots at wide receiver. We're talking through Cup, Horton,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: some of the backups, things like that. Is there anything
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: else you've got to add there? But the Wilson Dorsch
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: thing is interesting at their price points versus the more
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: expensive backups to JSN on the Seattle side.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really don't have much more to add on
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: to what title said, just because I am in full
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: agreement with basically every single point. Like my favorite Jay
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Stunn is in a different category. He doesn't even count
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: for this conversation, Like when you're talking to these wide receivers,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: he is in a tier of his own, and then
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: there's maybe like he's tier one, and then there's like
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: tier two, tier three, and then maybe like Harrison and
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Kupp are and like tier four. Like he's so far
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: above all these other guys, Like you don't even need
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: to talk about him. You're playing him as much as
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: you can. You're probably playing him in captain. He's a
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: great play in any sort of line. So then it's like,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: what do you do with the rest of these guys? Again,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: I don't have much more to add on to what
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Titles said, but I think this is just a perfect
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: example where if you're building teams and people have the
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: ability to play Marvin Harrison Junior or Cooper Cupp in
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: the lineup, they're just going to do it. Where you
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: could save thousands and just drop down to Michael Wilson
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: or Greg Dortsch, who I think could easily outscore either
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: of those guys, and then you have way less dupes
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: at that point. So my favorite wide receivers outside of JSN,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: who again is in a tier of his own, and
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: we don't even need to talk about is Wilson and Dorts.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: I like both of them. For me, it's probably Wilson
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: to over Doorts, but I'm gonna have a lot of both,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: and like they're going to be substantially maybe not substantially,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: but they're gonna be much lower own than mav Marvin
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Harrison Junior and Cooper Cup So you get the better
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: plays in my eyes, at lower ownership, and you can
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: get more unique by playing those guys. I think they're
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: two of the best plays on them when you factor
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: in price and in situation Michael Wilson and Dorts. Zay
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Jones is out, but the other guy that's out is
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: James Connor. Do they pass it a little bit more
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: with James Connor? Like, that's very possible as well. So
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: for me, everything is pointing towards those two being very
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: good plays. Never gonna have to worry about ownership. Yeah,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: they're gonna get some because it's a showed on slate
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: and everyone gets some, and they might get a little
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: bit more, they might get steamed a little bit, but
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: it's never to the point that you need to worry
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: at all. So like Michael Wilson and Dorts absolutely love Horton,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: like people are gonna see the touchdowns and want to
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: play Horton as well over those other guys. Like give
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: me Dorts and Wilson. Now again, I will have Horton
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: in my player pool for sure, just because after these
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: guys are just talked about, there's no like cheap wide
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: receivers to play. You have basically like six guys that
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: are in play at wide receiver and nothing else. It
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: really limits the overall number of options that we have.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: So I will play some important but yeah, it's Wilson
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Dorts for me at the top when when you factor
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: in price.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the biggest things I can see tonight.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: And that's why, like everyone's all, you got to pick one,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: like you don't. First of all, you can build your
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: lineups accordingly. But with the Wilson, I think Wilson is
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: the product of like a thirty yard catch and then
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: maybe gets a touchdown later, bigger body in the end
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: zone they're covering McBride. It ends up being him versus
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Marv or something like. That's the Wilson situation that I see.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: For the Dorge situation, the most interesting thing to me,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and it's gonna be very random and it would take
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of luck. But that's a guy at that
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: price on this type of slate, and he's lower owned.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: It's good. I see it's like a James Connor fill
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: in end around or something like a sneaky play near
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the end zone and Dorsch takes it in there and
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it's you a fourteen yard end around to the house
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: or something like that. And that's how I see that
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: shaking out. And it's tough to say which one would
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: get there, but maybe both, maybe neither, but that's how
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I sort of see those playing out if we end
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: up getting something like that. And that's why I said
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I don't mind Kyler up top because he wouldn't have
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: anything to do with the end around. But if he
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: gets one of those setups to Wilson, he gets another
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: something going with McBride. Benson's in that and either doing
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: something and then you got the guys on the other side.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: You still have all the money in the world to
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: get different. So I definitely favor the Arizona wide receiver
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: side versus the Cups and the Hortons. I'm just gonna
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: save the money JSN, Like Hoop said, Tier of his own.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Don't have too much else to add on any of
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the backups there. I will when we get to this
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: next section. But hoop, I'm gonna stay with you. Who
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: are title? Do you have anything to add? Go ahead?
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: No, No, I don't less like Dorts, you can also
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: the double dip. He's the punt returner, kick returner the
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Cardinals defense. If you already think low scoring game, Darnold's
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: a statue.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Don't how many freaking double dips have we seen in
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the history of DFL for the amount that has been
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: talked about.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: I said, it is a really good point, man.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: But if I'm already playing the guy and then the
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: defense is already relatively low owned on the game that
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: could go lower, I'm not not gonna mention it. But
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: hardly ever, it feels.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Like it is funny though, like people like just have
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: to stick to the same like talking points, like they like,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: they'll just continue to hammer that Home is never.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Talking about me.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: But hey, if he doesn't, I'm not talking about you,
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: talking about in general, because then I just went back
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: to the Green Bay guy that these guys continue just
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: to stroke off every single week, and has he done
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: anything yet?
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Has he done anything else.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Snap counts went way up though the time's coming, hoop
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: the snapcount and he gets the Cowboys Sunday Night.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: All right, yeah, yeah, easy now because you can talk
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: about him on the showdown for sure, I can just
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: by anyone these guys on twelve games lates still just
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's relentless. I gotta i gotta unfollow
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: a lot of people because I'm starting to get very
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: annoyed with some of these, uh these posts on there.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: People still are given his His stock still went up
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: even though his uh his week three earnings report came
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: out with very negative numbers that the company is not
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: doing well, but somehow the stock price still went up
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: on that one. So it's just an interesting thing. And
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: for the other, like the double dip exactly, that's what
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: you'll see. It is built into his stock price is
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: the future value. But the the double dip is like
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: someone creating a category and then they have something to
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: sell you, right like oh, this is you know, like
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: a category gets created and then they make something and
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: you'll buy it because you heard that category is good.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: There's not really ever been anything that you should be buying.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: When it comes to double dips. It's happened very rarely
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: across my least experience playing DFS.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: So I don't know what you're talking. I mean talking
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: about Golden. I'm a Money fan over a Packer fan,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: and I'm not even a Jordan Love guy. I think
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: the worst pick they made was taking Love after Rogers
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: gotten the back to back NFC championships. So yeah, I
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: don't know what you're talking about. They're two and one though,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: they're a good football team, but I don't know where
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I got that slander.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah that was he didn't say anything along those lines.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: That's however.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they look terrible.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Jimmy's always in your support and I appreciate it.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: We don't know.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like again, you saw his two touchdowns, so you're like, oh,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: you overtook him. How do we what do we know
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: what that actually looks like as the season goes on.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, then that's easy and you can just hey,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: you just play him a lot because he's not going
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: to be super highly owned. I mean, so just play
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Horton and you might have an advance. If you have
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: that read, it could be right, honestly, could be right.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: So play him than the field and then you got,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: you have yourself a decently advantage. That could be the case.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: I mean for sure. I mean the last two weeks
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: and you can go at five targets, four targets, two touchdowns,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: he could be the number two there, there's no doubt.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I think about it. Again, like I said,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of people watch the highlights more than watching
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the tape. Not saying Jimmy, he's always here grinding it
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: out with us, we appreciate. I'm just saying in general,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: when people look at that stuff, it is going to
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: be often where you know, somebody overtook someone after just
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: three weeks of tape or just three weeks of highlights
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: or whatever it might be. So we got to really
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: tone it down. I think, you know, we always talk
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: about like week six, week seven, you start to get
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: a lot more. And I know it sucks because it's
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: only a seventeen to eighteen week season. However, you want
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: to look at week eighteen if you're counting it or not,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: because it's such a disaster. But that's the tricky part
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: with with d f s. And if you have a stand,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: like Hoop said, definitely take it now because now's the time.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: To make it happen and work it in your favors.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: So hopefully that goes well for Jimmy and the other
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Horton lovers here tonight. But let's keep it moving. Let's
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: go to tight End. Who I'm gonna go back to you.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: We know what McBride is, but there's some other stuff
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: going on this slate, the chat with some with Tip
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Ryman aj Barner on the other side. What are you
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: thinking here at tight end?
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean you have one that is clearly you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: one of the best plays on the slag Captain. However,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: you want to do a trade McBride just a volume
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: beast totally in play here, and then you have a
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: bunch of fringe maybe I like them sort of plays
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: at the position like nothing stands out. You got Barner
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: at twenty eight hundred, Sure you can play them, Yeah,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: tip Ryman, if you want to play him two thousand,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Arroyo at eight hundred, Elijah Higgins at sixteen hundred, like sure,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: And like all those guys outside of McBride on the
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Arizona side, definitely guys to mix in if you're playing
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of Kyler captin. But like if I had
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: a strong read on on these other guys. If I
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: told you I had a strong read on all these
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: other guys, i'd be lying to you. I'm gonna put
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: them in and see how much I get, and as
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: long as I don't get a crazy amount, I'll just
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: let it roll. Like. I just don't have a strong
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: lean on any of them. They're all cheap. If they
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: find the end zone, they're probably on optimal because you know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: we might be into pitting like a lower scoring game. Yeah,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, no strong takes here, but I'll keep them
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: in the player pool, and whatever I get, I get
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: with them, as long as it's not like a crazy amount.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: I don't want to play thirty percent of any of
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: these shitty tight ends. Obviously McBride I want a ton,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: but the rest, Yeah, whatever I get.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I get.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Title you got anything to add at tight end? I mean,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: obviously the McBride stuff's quite simple, But after that, I
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: guess it's the other guys are all really cheap. And
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: the main thing that stood it to me is they're
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: all a lot cheaper than the wide receivers, even less
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: than the Michael Wilson and Dortsch conversation we just had
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: so thoughts at tight end for you.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like the only viable players below doors Barner
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: two way, Tip Ryman two k Elijah Higgins won six
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: and Arroyo eight hundred. Like I don't see anyone else
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: even close to viable to click a name down there,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: So I guess that goes both ways, Like are they
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: going to be over owned in quotes just because if
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: people want a dumpster dive, like they're forced to click
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: on one of them. I don't know. I prefer obviously,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking McBride, he's in a tier of his own.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I definitely prefer that Barner Royal stuff because they're at
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: least tight end one and two they rotate whereas and
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: then I definitely prefer what's his name, ry Ryman over Higgins.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: He out snapped him like three to one last week.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: These guys are really like I'm looking at the TD
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: props Barner plus six hundred, which is fine, a Royal
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: plus one thousand, Ryman plus thirteen hundred, Higgins plus sixteen hundred,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Like it feels like, especially a game where I don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: think we see multiple twenty plus scores up top, it
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: feels like these guys have to fall in the box
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: to get there. So I really don't love it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: That's got to be the biggest robbery in sports betting.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Like the those numbers are insane, like absolutely insane. Like
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: if someone sat down and figured out the math how
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: much money they're making on those touchdown props, I mean
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: I would probably pup and.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Then people parlay them all together.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the parlays, and that's got to be
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: like the favorite parlay for people. Oh they're sitting there
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: watching red Zone. Let me just you know, pile up
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: a bunch of touchdowns, see if they hit and they're
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: not gonna hit. And the sportsbook is just printing off.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: That's why they don't give you a three thousand dollars
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: to sign up for nothing. Baby, let's get those TD parlays.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: That's already the worst odds. Let's get you seven of
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: them together and post your tech on Twitter, ax, whatever
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: you want to call it. So what I was is
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: this Ross brought this up. Everyone's getting like Kenny's obviously
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: all over this stuff getting to it. Now a royal
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: looks like a beast. He's just it's here's the difference.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: He doesn't cost Matthew Golden money, and people are done
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: talking about him now. They were talking about coming into
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the season he's eight hundred dollars, Like I don't he
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: will land in my lineups. Like that's just fine. I'm
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: not saying lock them in or go shove him in
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: your single entry, play your own way. I'm just telling
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: you that's someone I have interest in on this slate,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: just because if you're not as high on paying fifty
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: eight hundred or seven k for Cup and Horton and
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: you don't want to figure out who it is between
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: thirty four thirty two, not to mention you could play
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: them together whatever you end up deciding on or landing
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: on due to your your optimizer and your projections and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: ownership set they're using, which I'll go on another rent
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: in it, but just to note, I like that side.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: We like McBride. Barner's fine, he's twenty eight. He's just
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: as fine. But if I leave two grand on the
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: table and drop Barner to a royal tonight, I'm fine
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: with that too. It's the same. I mean, when they
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: get down to that end zone, if they do and
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: it's Darnald throwing it there, it could definitely be a royal.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: His snaps have been going up, like Kenny said, so
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: they also run a lot more twelve personnel on the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Seahawks as it is, So that's another note just to
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: make and again early in the season it's been a
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: thing for a little bit longer than usual, and then
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: bringing in other coordinators and things like that. Things change
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: over time. But I definitely think a royal is interesting
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: on this slate. McBride the clear option there if you're
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: looking at just pick having to pick a tight end,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: but you don't. You can play no tight ends in
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: your lineup as well, So hoop kickers, ds anything you
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: want to add.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: With that stuff, just as usual, and love the kickers
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: and they like the defenses. What are the prices on
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: the defense?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Let me see kickers like reasonable forty eight to five
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and these are just less.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, these are forty four and then or k flat.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: I mean I typically underweight on defenses, probably the same tonight,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: and then I'm good with.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Either of these kickers.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: I think it's a I think it's totally fine. There
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Where is this game in Arizona? I guess we should
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: it's in Arizona, so you know, don't have to deal
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: with any potential leather or anything. So I think it's
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: a good spot for kickers. And then yeah, defense, yeah,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: whatever whatever gets in there, I'll be underweight on defenses.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, title anything you want to add to that stuff
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: where we're cruising through here. But I got I got
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: a mini just you know. I want people to learn
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit too on these shows and try and
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: get them the best help we can to make them,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: you know, play play better at THEFS. But you got
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: any thoughts on kickers and these.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna be overweight on all four. I mean, Kyler,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised Hoop's not gonna load some Seahawks d against
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the guy that can run backwards and pitter patter and
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: do whatever. So I can totally see that. I can
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: see both offenses stalling for field goals and Sam Darnold's
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: a statue. I mean, do people forget what was it?
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Was it the playoff game last year? Was it like
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Week eighteen where he led up like nine sacks ors
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: something like.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Seeing the ghosts? The ghosts?
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: I mean they can totally see again. Division game short
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: week like ownerships under twenty percent. I don't if I
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: think it's a low scoring game, and I don't love
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: everything else. I think I'll be overweighting all four of these.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: The only problem with the defense is and not the
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: only problem. But curious to hear what you're saying this
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: because you're with me where you love Wilson and dors
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: they're right there in that range. Like if you have
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: a lot of them, are you gonna end up with
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of defenses in the two may playing you
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: can play all together for sure?
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe then I just ignore their royos the Barners maybe
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: drop down from the Cooper Cup that way, if I
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: go dors again, I said the Cardinals stuff, if I
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: already like it and can make a case, maybe I
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: give a little boost there. I think Sabersim has that
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: correlation probably in there a little bit. So yeah, I'm
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: gonna plenty aways to leave money, but I'm fine playing
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: all of them in that ring. You said that you
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: could see Dorsch and Wilson outscore Marv period, so you
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: can definitely do it that way.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think it's fine. I also think there's
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: gonna be some some double kicker lineup important too.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't miss that the punt return. Yeah, Horton Seattle defense.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: There's a little correlation right there too.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: We're back.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: We're back by two guys that are in play.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: Come on, can we can we double this double diptant
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: both defenses? And what's the correlation with that? If you
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: double dip the double dip, who would you play with that?
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just hope that it's all
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: that the best part of it all is we just
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: roll anything with the dips. And the guy's name is Tory,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: not Tim, and we just slammed Tim Horton into the lineup.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: That's from Canada, maybe the Tim Horton's coffee that everybody
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: wants to drink. This guy put Tim Mohrton in the lineup.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: So double dip the double dip with both kickers, all right,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: And then we gotta just who's the captain? Would probably
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: have to be one of the one of the defenses,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: put one of the there.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: We just we just allowed people to like literally like
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: three four hundred dollars just got spent as we speak,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: people handbuilding this out the Turn.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Of No like it cost me like five thousand total
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: for that that lineup. Double dip, double dip, the double
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: dip with both kickers and you have like forty five
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars still to spend. Yeah, people love it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Tim Hortons is the thing up here, timmy hoes they
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: call it. It's Tim Horton's coffee and doughnuts and everything
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: like that. It's like, it was amazing, that's all.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: That's literally every mile here, I mean, just because we're
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: close to Canada. But I'm sure it's lit. I'm sure
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: it's a little different than the Canada version.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're raking it in. So all right, any uh
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: any I guess I'm gonna go on my quick ramp
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: for two seconds. I want to call this out because
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: it came up in our discord date. It's a good conversation.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Everyone knows we've partnered with Sabersim. It's the best optimizer
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: in our opinion, across the entire industry. We're biased, but
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: we definitely think that is the case. So that's a
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: nice thing about signing up for ship a Nation is
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: you get Sabersim with your membership, depending on the plan
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: that you choose, but it's usually like ten bucks thirty
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: depending on the all access versus NFL only. But I
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: will say the still matter I've had this conversation enough
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: times with people, so I want to just display it
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: with a quick analogy. Sabersim is a Ferrari, So first
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: of all, step number one. If you get gifted a
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Ferrari or if you somehow can afford one and buy it,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: probably don't just drive it into a wall on day
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: one if you don't how to drive it. So you
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: got to learn it a little bit. There's some steps
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to it. We have a ton of videos on the site.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: There's members only Saber series videos. If you go to
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: sabersim at the top corner of our site, you'll see
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: tutorials live, Q and A. And then we have a
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: full Sabersim channel in our chat where you guys can
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: learn how to use this tool and get better at it.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: But I do see a lot of this, and it's
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: like Saber loves Marv, Saber wants me to do this.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Saber is a car with a GPS in it. You
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: can program it to tell you where you want it
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: to go. I'm thinking about a joke now, but the
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Tesla thing where Buddy jumps in his Tesla says take
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: me somewhere I'd never been and it drives. Dude, right
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: to the gym, and he's a bit bigger dude, and
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you never go here. Why don't I
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: take you to the gym and see if you can
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: lose some pounds. But I'm just saying, when you're filling
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: it out, like the benefit of having our projections, our
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: ownership are the stone. Like the reason you see if
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: anybody who follows us or people that maybe have been
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: a part of this in our PGA showdown, success Hoop
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: has harped on this for years now. Other sites are
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: literally not adjusting anything with their ownership, their the wave advantages,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: any of that stuff that matters for what you're getting,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that's your inputs. And then Sabersim really does an amazing
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: job of helping us all with our outputs. But it's
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: not they did this. It's whatever you input it. When
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: sheetsloads it up and says I'm putting my custom projections
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: and inputs in. I talked about this on the Takedown
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: breakdown the other day, and he'll tell you the same thing.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: That's all his hard work, all those projections in ownership
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: that he's back tested to create his own stuff with
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: mixing in ship a nation he's been in our discord
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: plenty of times. Title in the MMA one saying tested
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: you guys again for MMA ownership best in the industry.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: That's part of the recipe that he's cooking up and
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: then using it. So that's the key is you want
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: to make sure you're taking the stone, take the projections
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: and ownership and bringing those across and then letting it
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: drive for you. Right, that's your GPS. So I just
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I always bring that stuff up to try and help
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: you guys. I just want everybody to know what's going
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: on with what they're using. It's the mix of the
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: two together that makes the best recipes. So hopefully that
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: helps hoop any anything you want to add, and then
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: if not, we're gonna get the FanDuel.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean the inputs are just as important as
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: the outputs, if that makes sense. Garbage in, garbage, garbage out,
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: I believe, is the saying. So, I mean you can't
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: just throw random numbers. You know, if you went into
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: sabers them and just put a bunch of random numbers
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: in there and then hit you know ron, you're gonna
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: get garbage that that comes out. So it's a it's
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: a two part story where you need the inputs to
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: be strong and then the outputs will be strong as well,
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: So it's not just a one sided street, and that's
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: why it's important to have both sides of it. You know,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: obviously the saber tool we feel is the best in
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: the industry, but you know that the inputs that go
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: along with it are just as important.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: And it gets trickier too, but it is more important
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: actually when you do get up to the ultimate package.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: We know that's not for everybody, but just for those
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: that know. If you don't know, now you know when
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: you're using the ultimate package, you're using field lineups to
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: use contest sims against. The more accurate your ownership is,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: the more accurate everything's going to be. It's super important.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: And that's why you see a lot of the same
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: pros at the top of these contests and tournaments because
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: they've finagled stuff to be where they've back tested it
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: enough and they have the best stuff going in that
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: makes their outputs that much better, and therefore that's what
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: puts them in a position everybody's capable of doing it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: You got to put in the work. So we've got
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: the Golden Ship at number twelve head to head coming up.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: I do have like title mentioned earlier about his uh
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Mark Andrews conversation the other night and how it turned
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: out there is like a chocolate double dip donut that's
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: really famous at Tim Horton's. So I can just see
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: that getting posted everywhere tonight when we've talked to all
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: this stuff about the double dip and it finally hits
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: now after everything that we just made fun of. But yeah,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: let me get the first winner. We'll do the first
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: one and save the second one. This is gonna be
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: who goes up against hoop right now? Three and Oh Hoopster,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: the winner of Golden Ship at number twelve of fifty.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: There's still tons available. You can join now and you
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: still get in ship at games. You just got to
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: be a member. The winner of Golden Ship at number
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: twelve facing off against hoop this week and they head
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: to head to take on his three and oh record
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: is Jason reads, Hey the rent get your rents, let's go.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: We got number twelve of fifty. Congrats to Jason Hoopster.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: What do you got to say? This is your challenger
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: versus the champion.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: I will say you should be happy that I'm free
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: and saving saving the KOBOTHI guys should be happy saving
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: the company some money there, bye bye bye. You know
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: these guys come up, slap them right back down to
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: fifty back in our pockets. So I mean, it's uh,
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: it's beneficial for shipping Nation, for for Hoop to continue
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: this winter. For reads this week, I think, oh, you're
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: gonna pay the two to fifty out of pocket. It
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: sounds liked for that of it.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Sure for your reads.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: I will play though. The easiest victory was fucking neids Man.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: That was super.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: I mean just literally ten seconds boom boom boom. Put
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: zero effort the last couple of weeks, you know, I
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: put some time into it, but week one it was
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: ten seconds neids beat his ass moving like.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: The title situation. I just followed these things. I don't
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: want to comment on them till I see him play out.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: You know, you guys know I always like to see
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: a play out. Like I stold that I was following.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give any props. I know some
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: discords already post the damn screenshot were like, don't do that.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Luckily he was flying so they wouldn't be pissed. Off
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: about it un till he knew later. But either way,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Nads was beating you. Actually he starts talking that ship
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: in discord, which is the best place to be, and
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: then he goes, if you know this guy is all
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: he's got left. Bang, it was like a thirty years back.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Whoever it was, I forget it was, yeah, Court, it was.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: It was a catch just like that. Bang just put
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: him right to sleep immediately, and I think he was
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: blocked at that point.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: It was like, good night, thanks, So it was thanks,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: You've been playing long enough. Early victory lap, the early
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: this that will never That's that's how the world works,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: my man.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Aaron, I love when the chats hopping onto the one
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: liners with us. Is what we love to do is
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: it has has a chance to live reads free in
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Hoop's mind if he wants. If that's awesome, Yeah.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: That's good, that's good.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah loose sleepover and he said he definitely did.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Was devastating. It's so funny. The best thing about that
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: whole back and forth with Nates, I was like, I
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: got the win. I was like, and this is honest,
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: got truth. I built the lineup in about ten seconds.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Boom boom, boom boom got the w and like Maide's
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: response so predictable. Oh, I was on the shitter and
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: built the team. Man, I put zero into it, Like no, Like,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: once I tell you it took me ten seconds to
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: build a team, your rebuttal cannot be that you put
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: zero effort into it, Like that's just like you.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I think it was, like there's something about Mary when
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: he's talking about the seven minute abs and the guy
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: goes no, not seven, not six minute abs seven, like
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: he's tried. You said ten seconds. He was like mine,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: nine seconds, okay, yeah, exactly like ten second.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: You lose that talking point as soon as I said
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: it took ten seconds to build my team, Like, you
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: can't come back as your rebuttal that you built it
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: on the shitter, like you just you lose the ability
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: to for that to be your argument.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Naid's rio the rest of the discord. I'm waking up
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: every morning to these freaking MLB screenshots, so I will
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: say that it's incredible.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: And rising shout out you risen on Yeah with a
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: grand slam like nine times seven or nine times this year.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: He told me that's that's insane.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: It's pretty wild. And last year he won one hundred
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: dollars single entry five times and three of them like
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: in pretty close proximity. The guy just crushes when it
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: comes to that. So yeah, we're we're we're in on
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Naids man.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: We love big names, and Nate's been talking. We were
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: texting last night, texting today like our guy got screwed
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: last night on our Both are people got screwed last
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: night on a g T. Did you watch the title?
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: Did you watch those videos?
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Though? No, but mom my mom had, uh because I
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: have my mom's right now. She had America's Got Talent
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: on and I came down and then I asked if
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: she saw that guy and she said yeah, it was
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: her first time and they were really good.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta got it. You gotta watch a couple
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: of the videos.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: They're very this because I was out on it the
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: whole way, so I knew once you So I was
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: in on Jordaan and Blue this guy or whatever.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's who want anyway.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: This guy is a killer for sure, But what he
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: picked the freaking K pop demon Hunter song last night,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: the worst song. The guy's like a like a gutter dude,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: like out in the streets of wherever. I think he's
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: in New Orleans or something like that, and he's doing
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: like the He's got the craziest tones and lifts to
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: his voice. You can watch all the YouTube videos on
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: him before he got on this show. His intro one
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: went viral and then he was amazing. But I will
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: say that song choice last night was terrible for him.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Like when when you're singing in those sort of competitions
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: like this, everyone knows you're good, everyone knows you had
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: a good have a good voice. Like the song choice
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: is the most important part. I agree, Like I thought
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: it was a bad, bad selection, But I think the
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: I think I just got into it a little bit
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: because I saw that dude and I wanted to see
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: if he won. But the girl just said the girl
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: that wanted to had a story that seemed unbeatable.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I thought they did let you pick your song.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: That's why I thought so too.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he opened with like his nut, like his best
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: song ever, that was the break even one or whatever
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: that he just crushes. But the Nixon can I get
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: a stone for America's got out your Boy? Though with
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: the lightning round started slow, But I will say what
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: was crazy. Is he missed one? They took it off
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: the board, He got into his wrap to get it
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: back up on the board, closed it out and then
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: speed as it goes on. That was pretty incredible stuff.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: Is His YouTube videos are are really good because it's
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: uh he it's a little more edgy. I guess you
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: could say, like at a comedy club. So like the
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: first one I saw, I was like a group of
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: women women and that they chose the word titties. So
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: he's rapping about like titties the whole time.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, did you listen to Harry mack one?
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I think I think better. I think he's way better.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Like an awkward dude though, right, because like he's like
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: an English guy with like a it looks like he
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: got the dumb and dumber bolt.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, got the worst hair cut.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Then, okay, like what the hell this is? This is nuts?
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: He said, y'all watch TV that you that you can't
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: gamble on? What's your problem? That's funny, I really do.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I just had to throw this up on last night
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: because Nads was in the discord and said something about
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: the AGT finale, we'll watch this and whatever, and I
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: was like, I gotta go check this out then and
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: see if it's on. But yeah, it's not often I'm
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: watching too much of the TV. But do do you
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: have any final fan duel thoughts you guys want to?
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: I know you kind of hinted at throughout the show,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Hoop you mentioned a few different price point spots, but
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: anything that stands out like a sore thumb.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple that stood out, just going like
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: top to bottom JS and I'm still more expensive than
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: the quarterbacks over there where it's going to take him
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: more to be the optimal MVP. So he's thirteen thousand,
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: then Kyler and Darnald Kyler's twenty or twelve six in
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: Donald's twelve k, so a little bit there. Kenneth Walker's
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: right up there with those guys eleven six. Marvin Harrison's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: pretty expensive, ninety eight hundred. He's more expensive than like
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: Trey Benson. Come down a little bit the cheap guys.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: One that definitely stands out is we we like Michael
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Wilson and Greg Dortch A title will be excited to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: hear this. Dorts two thousand dollars cheaper than than Michael Wilson.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Michael Wilson five k Dorsch three k, So quite a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: big difference there. That's kind of about it that in
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: terms of like what stands out the cheap plays aren't
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: as cheap. Who's the eight hundred, Arroyo's eight hundred right
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: on DK's six hundred on fan duel, so he's right
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: there basically the same price as Dortch. So it makes
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: it a little more difficult. But that's that's kind of
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: what stands out over there.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I bet you know Scooter is the man.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: He's always posting the bet tickets. I know he's got
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: a big Scotty Bett this week in the discord with
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Ryder Cup back, we got you covered. We do have
• 1:00:53
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• 1:00:55
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• 1:01:00
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• 1:01:03
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• 1:01:05
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• 1:01:07
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• 1:01:10
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• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: NFL stuff, the International Game, International Series, I should say
• 1:01:16
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• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: But Scooter says this, I think there is prediction markets
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: for America's got talent. Then I don't know how much
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: you can get down on it, but it feels like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: these days with some of these markets title you can
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: get down a little bit more cash.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's so many plays. If you want
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: to get money on something, you pretty much can nowadays.
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  Speaker 3: So I won't be a surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a good weekend for sure. Here
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: after stay up Saturday to watch MMA. You can get
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: over on Sunday watch the Ryder Cup finish out. You
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: got the football stuff almost starting early morning. It's gonna
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: be a really good week for sports here title, any
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: fandual thoughts you had to add there at all?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Not really? Hoop covered it pretty well. I mean it's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: just the best time for sports. I mean, I think
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: nine weeks for MMA, NASCAR, like college football. We didn't
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: even say that butes are always good, just team absolutely
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: crushes like the Stone Stone's good in all sports. That's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Stone in college football for knowing zero names and so
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: many players and this and that. It is absolutely money.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: I've dabbled a little bit. So Yeah, NFL two games
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: on Monday, we have the London game Sunday morning when
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: we're on the show, Like, there's zero better time to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: be a DFS fan. I couldn't imagine not having a site, projections, ownership,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: a community to be with during the ride. It makes
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: the upset more fun, makes the downs a little more
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: bearable as well. So now nothing really who covered fan
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: do well? Hopefully I'll we get to the top tonight.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hoop, final thoughts from you before we get out
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: of here.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, close call last game obviously with with title being there,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: but let's let's get back up there and finish it off.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the thing about showdown, man, it's it's
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: not over until that clock says here. I mean, one
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: little shit.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: Not even the clock's over. You better go fifteen minutes
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: or something after. Yeah, that corrections Washington. Like it went
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: from a reception to a run. I don't know if
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: it changed the top. You just never you never know.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a painful sweat all the way through. But yeah,
• 1:03:28
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