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#355 - For Azeroth!: "Starting from the Bottom" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  I want to be super clear, if midnight launches without some
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  of these functionalities that we've discussed in the last 15
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  minutes, PVE is going to be really, really rough for a lot
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  of people. Like exceptionally rough.
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  Victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon.
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  For the Karen tour. For.
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  Pandaria. For.
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  Calendar to. The burning.
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  Region for Gilnaeus, but has. Not died for the Lich King for
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  the. Sindora for the Alliance, for
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  the Horde. For Azeroth.
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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
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  I am one of your host Manny, AKA the Truvan Manny.
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  And of course, I am joined by the other two parts of the
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  Triumphant first introducing from the far Far East where the
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  sun rises an hour earlier. Not sure it's Sean.
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  Hello, Sean, and how are you today?
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  I'm doing well, man. Yeah, it would.
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  I'm an hour ahead of you, so by rights the sun would rise an
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  hour sooner for me, probably the same time, relatively.
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  But for you, it's an hour shooter.
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  I feel like. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, that's, that's definitely.
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  Listen, I, I used to be a rocket surgeon.
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  I definitely understand how the time zones work.
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  Got it, got it. I feel like rocket surgeon and
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  time zones are different things. But also also joining us, of
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  course, is Lex. Hello Lex, How are you and how's
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  the World of Warcraft been treating you?
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  I am good. The World of Warcraft has been
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  treating me well. We are still working on
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  dementias for AOTC which we are hopeful we will be getting soon.
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  He's tough boy. He's chunky my God.
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  But but vibin bopping along it's.
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  We're also in stick season which everyone whines about except
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  it's actually in my opinion the best season because it's all
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  spooky and pretty outside. But we love stick season because
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  it's pretty and spooky outside but nobody is looking at the
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  trees except for me so I can let my dog off leash.
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  Manny, I forgot to tell you my news, my Warcraft news.
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  I was so busy telling jokes. True, true.
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  I I believe you have an update as well.
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  So how's the World of Warcraft actually been treating you?
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  We killed dementias last night, we secured CE for the season.
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  We ended up at world rank 423, which is pretty impressive on
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  two nights a week, six hours. Very, very excited for that.
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  We dummied him. He's like a 220 ish to 250 ish
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  pull boss. We did it in 155 and we actually
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  gained 100. We we we we shaved 159 spots off
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  of our world spot from our Nexus King kill.
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  Yeah, we progged the snot out of that boss.
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  It was a lot of fun. I really liked it.
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  Really fun tank fight. I got to be the gravity runner
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  in P1 and then obviously in P3 it's it's very tank heavy.
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  Anyway lot of fun, loved it, big fan.
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  Lex, I can't wait for you to get your kill.
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  Then we will all be Dementia's devourers.
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  Nailed. It.
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  Here we go glad that you guys are pushing through going up the
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  ranks in the in the dementia's Prague there and doing much
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  better than last season. And of course, Lex, you're going
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  to nail that kill soon. Have you guys like, I kind of
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  want to go into a little bit of where you're at Lex, because as
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  you guys reach certain points like you've now started locking
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  out and and extending, Have you had those conversations where
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  you're like, OK, are we going to sit people?
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  Are we asking people to like really push their gear so that
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  we we can get it? What are those conversations
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  like for a Guild such as yourself?
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  So not really with dementias would we're, we're not seeing
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  if, if, if the conversations in the Guild tend to be very like
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  something is like, it is very obvious that what we need is we
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  need a couple fewer people off. So like with galleyworks, right,
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  we were struggling in such a way that it felt like the pulls were
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  impossible. And that meant that the officer
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  team, like we'd watch so many videos.
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  We'd made sure we had the like, we understood the dance and we
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  just like, like we're dying in ways that it wasn't even like,
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  oh, if we'd done XYZ differently, it fully felt like
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  unfeasible. And so then we had conversations
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  as officers and we're like it based on what we're seeing.
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  We have to have a conversation about sitting people or like,
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  and we set gear requirements and things like that to make it so
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  the people knew exactly what they had to meet to be able to,
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  to go into the polls. But if people can't meet that,
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  we just, we, we have to try without them so that then we
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  can, a lot of it is mental. There is some degree of like
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  once you get a kill, you can get a second kill.
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  We are not really. First of all, we've only had a
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  couple nights of prog on to Mencius and we're not seeing
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  those sorts of issues. There's not a clear like, oh,
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  first of all, it does seem like we're able to push.
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  It does seem like when we're having issues, it's issues with
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  getting the dance down versus issues of like, I don't even
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  understand how we're supposed to survive that sort of thing.
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  And we're not seeing like anything that would that would
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  make us think that like, if we cut a couple people out, we
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  would be better, right? It really feels like right now
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  we just all need to get the dance.
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  We're all doing a pretty OK job. And we would always prefer to
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  not sit. If we can avoid sits during a
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  season, we absolutely will. But you have to balance that
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  with like, you know, it's also really frustrating to be on
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  Prague for, for weeks and weeks and weeks.
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  So it is a very complicated topic.
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  And every time it has come up, it has been we, we've tried our
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  very best to handle it very, very sensitively and very gently
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  and make it very clear to people when we're thinking about it and
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  give them very clear expectations of like, here's
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  what we would need to see to avoid a sit.
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  Because the last thing we want is for somebody to log on one
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  night and then get the whisper like, Hey, you're out and like
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  midway through the night, just be like, Oh, well, this sucks
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  and feels bad and I am not having a good time.
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  And this frustrating poll now is like a devastating I'm not going
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  to hang out with my friends poll.
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  Can I say two things to that? Number one, I applaud you not
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  sitting people. I don't think there's any reason
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  ever to sit people on Heroic. I figure you're a team.
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  You've gotten this far as a team, you will finish it as a
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  team. That was something that we set
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  up when I helped raid in EU with Fates were forged.
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  That was one of the things that's really important to the
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  GM and that as a Rave leader for me was like, everybody can do
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  this. We're going to get it together
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  because like you said, it sucks if you get a kill and you don't
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  have you're not so team. And the second thing is
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  something that might help, if you're able to do it, is try to
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  tell yourself that you're not progging dementias, that it is a
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  rekill, that you've already got the kill.
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  If you can shift your brain because you're so right when
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  you're in, it's like your brain is in a different mode in Prague
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  mode from winning. It's in farm mode.
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  You're going to get this kill and the next week he's just
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  going to fall over and you're going to be like, I don't
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  remember how we ever struggled with this.
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  If you can switch your brain into thinking he's already dead.
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  I know all of the dance. I know what I have to do when
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  the things happen. I know what call oats mean what
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  we have killed this boss. This is farm.
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  It actually helps me and I know it helps some other people to
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  get over that hump of we're still progging and that that you
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  know that what comes next mentality and you seem pretty
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  good at like making your brain believe things.
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  If you believe that we don't all love you here, so that.
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  Was nowhere expecting that to come.
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  You should try that, though, that that could that could and I
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  again, I I really do applaud the no we did, though.
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  She believes that we don't love her, is what I'm saying.
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  But we do love her that that. Was I know it felt it felt very
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  like sweet and validating and also kind of like a like a
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  collar. Backhanded compliment.
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  It's like love yourself, smack. Yeah, you guys will get it.
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  I'm sure you will. Oh yeah, I do too.
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  And I think we, I, the, the first night that we were
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  pragging, the team knows this. So I don't think that anyone is
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  going to be like surprised when I said this.
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  I think we were kind of like myself very much included.
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  I, I, I have a bad habit of being a chatty little girl on
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  raid. We were a little bit in like
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  vibe mode, some members of the team versus like push mode.
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  So we had a, a little chat as officers about the importance of
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  when pull timers going. That is when we stop having our
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  cute little conversations on the side.
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  So realistically, we've had one night of really solid prog and
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  we did really well. We had really solid prog in that
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  night. So I, I am not concerned.
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  I, I knock on wood, I'm anticipating we're going to, I'm
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  kind of anticipating we're going to get it this week.
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  I don't know if we will, but I kind of think we are.
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  So we'll see. I believe.
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  Well, good luck to you and congratulations to Sean.
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  I guess that means that a lot of people who are in a similar
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  state are now focusing on Legion Remix because that is going to
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  be our first bit of news this week.
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  Legion Remix has gone its first post launch content update.
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  This is the rise of the Night Fallen and that includes it is
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  returned to Carazan. It is the night hold the Somar
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  campaign. I am really happy about Cara
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  because that was like the first mega dungeon.
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  I think in my mind it stands as the best mega dungeon is the
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  most like cinematic like my goodness, this feels like a five
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  man raid of all of the mega dungeons in my opinion.
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  Sean. Yeah, like I love Carazan.
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  You're the person who fell into Legion Remix the hardest of all
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  of us. Are you still going strong?
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  How is Legion Remix for you? Manny, Manny, Manny coming
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  closer. Let me tell you the little story
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  of Legion Remix and how quickly I fell in love with it and how
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  just as quickly it was pushed to the side when I discovered
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  another game last week that I gained access to that scratched
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  every itch I've ever had and some that I didn't know I had.
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  So I have not been keeping as I won't.
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  This is a poet cast of a Warcraft.
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  We're going to talk about Warcraft.
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  I'm not going to get into what other games I may have fallen
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  into, but it is I have fallen. I have not kept up with Legion
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  Remix. I did log on yesterday after we
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  killed the Mencius and we celebrated with a quick Carrizan
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  run as you mentioned. A lot of fond memories from
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  Carrizan for me from when it was a raid in BC.
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  I think Lex was going to say she remembers watching her dad raid
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  it in BC. That's.
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  Exactly what I. Was going to say, yeah, so we
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  did that. We did a quick run of that and
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  it seems fine. The the buffs went in for for
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  healers and DPS. They have 100% extra health in
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  dungeons and raids now and a bunch of extra damage.
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  That's good. So that sort of levels that
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  playing field. I think everybody's at the point
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  now where they're realizing like the first two weeks of Lead
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  Remix, everybody was like, oh man, for the first week, how
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  long has it been out? Two weeks, two weeks, first two
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  weeks, everyone's like, oh man, I got a power blast right now.
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  I got to get Max power. This, you know, this is
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  happening. And everybody who in work like
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  Warcraft, people tend to do this thing where they get like really
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  insane over a new mode. And everybody did that.
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  And like a huge majority of people are running around at Max
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  item level already 7:40 and then working on those power games.
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  There's a group of five in China who have their artifact weapon
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  up to 999 power already. They've timed plus 106 I believe
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  it is. It might be 116.
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  It's a big number they have over.
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  I think it's over 3,000,000 radar IO score from those
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  dungeons. 116 was the last. So they're probably up to 8
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  million score now because as those keys go higher, the score
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  gets exponentially greater as well.
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  So people are still blasting about.
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  A lot of people are realizing Wow, we have way more power than
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  we ever thought we were going to have as these phases are rolling
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  out. And so now where there was a
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  gradual increase in the speed with what you were killing and
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  clearing raids in Phase 1, the raids and the dungeons came out
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  in phase two and it was like instantly one shooting bosses
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  and people are still hungry for more.
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  They're like, Oh no, I want more, more.
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  It's like, it's great. It's like Kylo Ren in that one
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  scene from that Star Wars movie where he's got his mask off and
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  he wants more. I don't know which one it is.
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  I love Star Wars but I those 3 blend together for me.
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  Except for the horse thing in Last Jedi.
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  The best of the pack don't at me.
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  Anyway all I had to say remix like Mythic plus fell off a
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  Cliff because of Remix and that game that I mentioned.
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  And Remix is like going hot and heavy now.
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  And I now that we're done Prague and I don't really have a
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  reason, Turbo Boost has ended, which we're going to put next.
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  I did my Crest conversion, so my turbo boost lasted all of 4 1/2
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  minutes. I will probably dive back into
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  Remix this week if I can pull myself away from that other game
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  that I'm really, really enjoying that does so many things so
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  well. Are we not supposed to say other
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  game names? Because I had an entire season
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  where I was talking about the Valeguard like every single
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  episode of For Azeroth. I I feel like Dragon Age isn't a
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  direct. Oh, that's true.
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  That if they're competitive, though I have also talked about
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  Final Fantasy on an unreasonable amount.
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  But you can keep your secrets if you want to keep your secrets,
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  Sean. I don't want anybody else to
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  join me in my fellowship. No, I think it's good that you
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  have a fellowship of friends and that you guys are all like
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  running through. So that's that's good.
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  Yeah, I jumped in over the weekend.
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  It was like, OK, I'm going to do some Legion remix, some remix.
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  I did the starting things. I saw the points where Sean was
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  like, Oh yeah, they do the skip there and isn't that cute and
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  nothing and that sort of thing, and got down into Azura and I
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  was like, OK, I'm going to start doing these quests.
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  And I cleared out like one or two quests.
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  I'm like, you know what, maybe I want to try this on hard mode
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  because like, what's going to kill me?
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  Here's the boredom more than anything else.
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  And yeah, I got my butt handed to me by this one core hound,
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  fell core hound that had four affixes and decided that it only
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  needed two to hand to hand me my life.
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  So I had to turn off the hard mode.
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  And I am both really happy that it's there and really sad that I
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  fell so short. It might be that like, like I
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  just need to avoid like particular enemies and stuff,
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  which is cool. I'm going to give it another
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  shot. I think that levelling up
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  through questioning is just not something I can do.
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  As somebody who's played through the Legion content maybe about a
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  dozen times. How many classes are there in
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  the game, including Evoker? Well, Evoker can't.
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  You can't be an Evoker in a Legion Remix 13 if you count
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  Evoker 12 available in Legion Remix.
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  Got it. So I have done legion content at
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  least 10 times so I I'm I'm burnt out on it.
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  Can I offer a suggestion that might help juice your your
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  gains? And it's not, it's not, it's not
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  whey powder or creatine or whatever that gym stuff is that
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  people take. I'm so I'm so so fit you.
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  Guys need to watch some videos so you can check out Sean's
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  climber body that he was talking about in the pre show but
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  continue on. I, I just, I want you to know
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  that in 2002 I won second place in a hard bodies contest at the
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  Palace in Halifax, 4 weeks in a row in the 1st place when it was
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  obviously somebody who actually had a hard body.
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  But I had great stage presence and continued to get like I beat
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  actual gym people. It's wild.
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  I wish I had a picture. Anyway, that's not important.
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  Nobody's here for that Legion remix here.
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  I'm gonna juice your, I'm gonna juice your gains and remix.
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  You're just getting into remix. You missed that first two week
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  wave. That's OK.
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  Here's what you do. First you go in and you install
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  the add on Legion Remix helper, I think it's called.
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  You install that add on. You're going to go into those
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  settings. You're going to set it so that
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  you automatically open all your boxes so that it automatically
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  opens all of your bronze and so that it automatically accepts
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  and turns in quests. Then you're going to go back,
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  you're going to turn on normal mode, you're going to pick
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  either Stormheim or Val Shora and you're going to go and
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  you're just going to mindlessly run through the zone completing
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  the quest. Don't read the quest text, just
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  blast through on normal difficulty until you hit level
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  25, between 25 and 30 at 3025. If you're brave at 30 though,
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  then you turn on hero mode, that you turn on the hard mode and
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  you go back and you keep leveling those up.
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  Every day you log in, you do 1 heroic dungeon through the grid
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  group Finder, 1 normal dungeon through the group Finder and try
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  to do and then at 80 then you would you hit 80, you do that
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  same thing. You keep doing the normal and
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  the heroic dungeon, but then you include the raids.
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  You want to tie in mythic and heroic grades.
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  You'll get invited to groups. It doesn't matter if you're not
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  740. Even if you see groups that say
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  only taking 730, still apply their lies.
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  That's advertising. We're using that to bring in the
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  hotties, the juicers, so that we can have them boost all the
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  other people that aren't that high.
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  It's OK Apply to those. And then then just relax and
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  just do that everyday. You should go through if your
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  goal is Max power go through and finish all the questing
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  campaigns. There's a lot of good bronze
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  there a lot of power to be gained there.
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  But if your goal is just bronze, then just log into your heroic
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  dungeon, do your normal dungeon and then do it one round of the
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  raids every day and you're going to get enough bronze by the end
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  of the three months If you do that every day that you'll be
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  able to buy whatever you want to buy.
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  Yeah, that's trust me juice yourself up with that that
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  Legion remix helper add on it also auto scrap stuff for you.
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  You open up your thing to scrap and it just force feeds it all
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  in there. There's there's a bunch of other
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  add-ons that help like plumber is nice, but you probably
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  already have that on and people are using easy scrap but you
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  don't need you don't have plumber.
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  So I I used to have plumber and then my friend convinced me to
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  uninstall the game and I don't have most of the add-ons I used
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  to have so it's it's I I'm thinking of reinstalling stuff
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  but it's a process now where I have to get them all back again.
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  Is. There a good for you though, it
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  like gives you an opportunity to be like what actually do I need
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  and what did I just have downloaded?
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  Wait, which one is which one's plumber?
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  Plumber it's AUI add on that like gives you different views
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  of like your reputation and all these different windows.
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  It's it's basically like AUI Fixer that makes things look
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  much better and presentable and much more easy to read.
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  Yeah, get it. Gotcha it auto it auto fills
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  your power into your artifact weapon for you.
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  It was big in mop. It was big in Amerdrasil
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  Seriously install this is for everybody.
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  If you're listening to this show right now.
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  Hi thanks for listening. We appreciate you.
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  Why don't you pop into the discord at that LY slash Fez
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  discord and let us know so we can all say hi to you there but
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  install plumber. If you're not using it, it is
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  the best add on bar none. It if you have no other add-ons,
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  you need to use plumber. Yeah, it's it's done by Peter.
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  You the same guy that does I don't think he does narcissist,
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  does he? He does dialogue UI.
• 20:00
  Does he also do narcissist? Sean, do you want to be really
• 20:04
  careful saying that? Because if you tell people that
• 20:05
  they need an add on then Blizzard's going to be like
• 20:07
  shit. And then they're going to make
• 20:09
  it so you can no longer do UI add-ons.
• 20:12
  I mean, we're going to be talking about UIS later, but I
• 20:14
  think that there is going to be a conversation about UIS that
• 20:17
  have survived what Blizzard has done because there's many of
• 20:22
  them and what UI stuff, what kind of add-ons we would
• 20:26
  recommend for midnight would be a cool kind of thing, but
• 20:29
  that'll be a different episode. Moving on from Legion, we now go
• 20:36
  into live realms because live realms, after quite a bit of
• 20:40
  downtime, got the turbo boost and so now you can upgrade all
• 20:48
  of your items another couple of tracks on whatever they were on
• 20:52
  before. You can now reach a new level of
• 20:55
  Max power you can buy trinkets, weapons, or other items from.
• 21:02
  Instead of it being on one vendor, they're actually 2
• 21:04
  vendors now. So one is for the heroic level
• 21:07
  stuff and analogous to heroic level, and one is for the top
• 21:10
  level mythic stuff. This first week you are getting
• 21:13
  a quest to go kill bosses and raise or go do Mythic Plus, and
• 21:18
  that will give you 3 of the Puzzling Cartel chips.
• 21:21
  That is enough for you to buy your first trinket.
• 21:24
  But over the next few weeks you're going to only get one per
• 21:28
  week. So on week 4, that's when you'll
• 21:31
  be able to get your next one. And then again on Week 7, that's
• 21:35
  when you'll be able to get that last one there.
• 21:37
  And that'll be all of the Puzzling Cartel chips.
• 21:41
  This is pretty much similar to what we had in Season 2.
• 21:45
  They've just sort of split this deployment up this time around.
• 21:51
  And I also think that one difference that I saw and you
• 21:56
  guys can double check this for me, if I want to buy a
• 22:02
  particular piece, let's say it's mythic level quality from a
• 22:08
  mythic plus, I only have to beat that particular dungeon that it
• 22:11
  would drop out of instead of having to get all of them at
• 22:14
  twelves. And the same thing is true for
• 22:16
  raids. You only have to beat the boss
• 22:17
  that would drop it on a mythic level to then be able to get it.
• 22:21
  So I could see a couple of runs for the well could be second
• 22:26
  boss, but Luminar being suddenly offered in trade because that is
• 22:32
  a choice trinket that's very early in the raid and so I I
• 22:35
  can, I can definitely see those carries being spammed.
• 22:39
  Yeah, loose the the boss is the boss condition is the same as it
• 22:42
  was last year. You had to beat the boss on
• 22:44
  mythic difficulty and just that boss that hasn't changed.
• 22:46
  But you're right. Don't buy a loom with our carry.
• 22:50
  It's it's a very if you if your gearing is current, if you're at
• 22:53
  a point when you're like worried about getting a mythic loom with
• 22:55
  our trinket, your gearing is probably pretty current.
• 22:57
  You'll be able to plug that boss you if you just put enough time
• 23:00
  in. You know it'll be painful
• 23:02
  probably at first, but you should be able to plug that
• 23:04
  boss, especially a couple of weeks from now when people are
• 23:07
  all turbo boosted up. It is a change though to the
• 23:11
  mythic plus for for you only needing the the plus 12 in the
• 23:15
  dungeon you want, which I think is good.
• 23:16
  It matches it up better with the raid.
• 23:18
  So I think that makes a lot of sense.
• 23:20
  And there was another change that they made.
• 23:21
  You can no longer earn credit towards your Puzzling Cartel
• 23:26
  chip quest by going to LFR. The they made it so that you
• 23:32
  have to do, I think it's at least normal.
• 23:36
  Yeah, to get that credit. LFR no longer gives credit
• 23:39
  towards it. And as well, in order to buy the
• 23:41
  pieces, you have to have done the raid on at least normal.
• 23:45
  So LFR no longer counts to for you to buy those pieces either.
• 23:48
  And I have a lot of thoughts about puzzling cartel chips in
• 23:53
  the dinars in the implementation the last two seasons.
• 23:57
  This it's it doesn't matter. My thoughts don't matter on it.
• 23:59
  I hope we see iteration on it in midnight.
• 24:03
  I'm, I'm of two minds 1 is that if this is how it's going to be
• 24:09
  going forward and it never changes from this, I'm fine with
• 24:12
  it at this level, right? If it changes, I was fine with
• 24:17
  this level in season 2 where I was like, oh, it could be more
• 24:20
  disruptive going to the next season, but this is the end of
• 24:22
  expansion. Open the floodgates like if if
• 24:26
  it if this is the implementation for this season and not a model
• 24:31
  that they want to carry going forward, then this is This seems
• 24:35
  the wrong season to be so restrictive in my mind.
• 24:38
  Well and like Oh no, someone who only did LFR might have slightly
• 24:43
  better gear and might have a slightly better chance of doing
• 24:46
  higher levels. Like I, I don't know, I as, and
• 24:50
  maybe this is my AOTC only Raider brain speaking, but like
• 24:55
  I feel like I feel like boost should help the people who are
• 24:58
  lowest the most, right? I really don't, frankly, I think
• 25:03
  if you do only do LFR, get heroic gear, right, I don't
• 25:07
  care. I would like you to have the
• 25:08
  highest boost because clearly you're at the level where you
• 25:12
  need it, where you will benefit from it the most, right?
• 25:15
  I would like people to be able to.
• 25:17
  I feel like the point of turbo boost is to help people get to
• 25:20
  levels that otherwise they wouldn't be able to.
• 25:23
  So I don't personally see any benefit to taking things away
• 25:27
  from people who only do LFR. I don't like oh.
• 25:30
  Are they going to go in and? All of a sudden Cutting Edge is
• 25:32
  going to be screwed up because the people who do LFR only have
• 25:35
  extra gear like the game's ruined guys.
• 25:39
  That's my take on this. Also side note in case you are
• 25:42
  potentially a little bit stupid like me, I had somehow never
• 25:45
  heard the phrase cantrip items before.
• 25:47
  So if you were listening and you're like what's a cantrip
• 25:49
  item? It's like gear but it has like a
• 25:51
  special little effect. So it's the cool extra stuff.
• 25:53
  And you can get those puzzling cartel chips, too.
• 25:55
  So like a direct example of this is like the boots from from the
• 26:01
  demon hunters. They are gear that have a extra
• 26:04
  effect and having completed AOCC and my guilt no longer rating, I
• 26:09
  never got those boots. So now I'm like I should get
• 26:12
  those boots. For somebody who does not have
• 26:16
  even the boots on normal, this is a big power game for me.
• 26:20
  If you're going from the heroic boots to the mythic boots,
• 26:23
  you're only really getting the item level difference, so it
• 26:25
  doesn't feel like it's it's not as big a jump in my opinion.
• 26:31
  Does the proc rate's not increased?
• 26:32
  Is it? I know normal to heroic is 30 to
• 26:34
  40 so I assumed mythic was 50 but.
• 26:38
  Yeah, it is. The percentage change does go
• 26:40
  up. They that that changed late in
• 26:43
  the beta cycle in the PTR cycle. For the raid it was initially
• 26:46
  there was no difference, but then just before the raid for
• 26:49
  the the patch went live they changed it to have that
• 26:52
  difference. I passed that to a guy who
• 26:54
  already had normal. That would have been so much
• 26:56
  better for me anyways. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
• 26:59
  We were past, we were like past prog of that part and just doing
• 27:04
  farm. So I was just like, I don't
• 27:05
  care. It's trans mog for me.
• 27:06
  I'll come back and get it later. OK, All right.
• 27:09
  I I still think that if this is a mold for how it is to go
• 27:14
  forward, I'm somewhat OK with this.
• 27:17
  I don't think it is taking things away from people for them
• 27:23
  to not get access to gear beyond what they would normally use to
• 27:29
  progress. I think that the extra item
• 27:33
  levels is additional power to help people push and if they are
• 27:37
  now tempted to go into high levels of difficulty to access
• 27:41
  those higher things because it's so surgical about how you unlock
• 27:47
  it and you don't have to clear all things at 12 or all of the
• 27:52
  raid in order to get to these items.
• 27:54
  And specifically because unlike in last year, the good trinkets
• 27:59
  are on earlier bosses. Like if you remember back in
• 28:02
  Undermine, those good trinkets were on like the last two bosses
• 28:06
  and stuff. So like you were fighting all
• 28:09
  the way to to get to those things to unlock them.
• 28:14
  So this seems like a lighter ask, an easier ask to get people
• 28:19
  in the door. And once they're in the door and
• 28:21
  then they get that trinket that gives them power to push through
• 28:24
  further. They've already cut their teeth
• 28:26
  on the content and maybe don't feel it as it is as hard.
• 28:30
  And so in terms of guiding people into that next level, I
• 28:34
  actually think this is better in terms of rewarding people.
• 28:38
  Yes, this is more restrictive and.
• 28:40
  Then like, and, and to be fair, it is definitely a case of like,
• 28:43
  if this is how they did it at the beginning, it's not like I'd
• 28:45
  be sitting there like, what do you mean you don't get puzzling
• 28:47
  cartel chips for LFR? Like it's it, it feels like a
• 28:51
  removal because it used to exist and they changed it, which like,
• 28:56
  fair enough. I, I don't, I mean, I don't
• 28:58
  think it's, I don't think it's devastating either way, right?
• 29:00
  I don't think that anyone has ever been like, oh, I wasn't
• 29:04
  going to do normal, but now all of a sudden I have this one
• 29:07
  piece of gear and suddenly I'm, you know, going to be pushing
• 29:10
  AOTCI. Would be a little bit surprised
• 29:15
  if somebody who wasn't intending to step foot in normal or I
• 29:17
  suppose heroic would be like, well, for this I'm going to push
• 29:20
  forward, but I could be wrong. I have a very, I'm very, you
• 29:24
  know, I do the same thing every single tier.
• 29:27
  So there's never any question of where I'm going to go or whether
• 29:29
  I'm going to go higher. Yeah, I, I, I think it, it just
• 29:34
  feels like in in my opinion, again, like why?
• 29:41
  Right. I just don't.
• 29:42
  I know that I fully understand the benefit of taking that away.
• 29:46
  Would I hear you? It's it's just reset and we're
• 29:49
  experimenting with different things.
• 29:51
  But yeah, I mean, I'm not going to, it's not going to be my new
• 29:54
  every single episode. I'm like, and remember when
• 29:57
  Blizzard took away the ability to get puzzling cartel chips in
• 30:01
  Alafar? Like, I don't, I don't think
• 30:02
  it's. Oh no, I've I've got like
• 30:04
  grudges that I hold for forever. Like when we get that 3D access,
• 30:08
  I'm going to like go on Earth, that meme where it's like, oh,
• 30:11
  the poor's finally got their access and I'm going to pass it
• 30:14
  out everywhere. I remember stuff.
• 30:17
  Sean's line is blown. He forgot about it.
• 30:19
  I remember. I will.
• 30:21
  Understand that I remember saying it, I stand by, I stand
• 30:24
  by. I would like to give before we
• 30:26
  move on because I feel like we're about to move on.
• 30:28
  I would like to give one tip for turbo boost for anybody who
• 30:31
  isn't aware of this. And you probably, if you're
• 30:33
  listening to a Warcraft podcast, you are probably already aware
• 30:35
  of this, but you can Crestron Cat now.
• 30:38
  So you can go. And if you haven't converted any
• 30:40
  of your old crests all season long, you can now convert all of
• 30:44
  your lower crests all the way up to gilded if you have that
• 30:47
  unlocked or to whatever level you have crests unlocked at.
• 30:50
  I ended up with 380 gilded crests.
• 30:53
  But do buckle up because it's depending on how many you have,
• 30:55
  it does take a long time. And as far as turbo boost, my
• 30:59
  thoughts are just that fun game modes should be fun.
• 31:04
  OK, so then we'll use that as the queue to move on to a.
• 31:11
  Fun game mode. To a fun game mode, yes.
• 31:15
  So we've talked about Legion, we've talked about the regular
• 31:20
  retail. Now we're going to talk a little
• 31:22
  bit more about the alpha. As we are now moving into phase
• 31:27
  four, we've had some time to test out The Dells in the
• 31:31
  upcoming expansion. Dells are now part of the main
• 31:35
  levelling experience. They're integrated into the the
• 31:38
  story campaign and they still continue to be an end game
• 31:41
  pillar. So we've taken some time to like
• 31:44
  do those Delves and we're going to be talking about how Delves
• 31:47
  are so far on the alpha. So we've got people who hated
• 31:52
  Delves, people who have been loving Delves all the time, and
• 31:55
  people who have flip-flopped between Delves right here.
• 31:58
  So we're going to get a couple of opinions.
• 32:01
  Let's start with you. What did you think about Dells
• 32:04
  in The War Within? So I've been enjoying them.
• 32:08
  I think they are. I'm on record saying I think I'd
• 32:11
  like them to be a little bit more pushy and I do kind of
• 32:14
  agree, although I understand their the reasoning.
• 32:16
  I won't make us go back into the life, but what about the fact
• 32:19
  that some people get axed and all that?
• 32:22
  I, especially playing on Havoc, have had a very good time with
• 32:25
  them. They've made gearing a lot
• 32:27
  easier. They've made it a lot less
• 32:29
  stressful for me to get to the points that I want to get to,
• 32:32
  Especially without somebody who doesn't love Mythic Plus and
• 32:37
  somebody who doesn't have a ton whose whose time frame in
• 32:40
  playing World of Warcraft does not tend to line up with my
• 32:42
  guildies. By which I mean I go to bed when
• 32:44
  all of the parents put their children to bed.
• 32:46
  So congratulations to me. I go to bed at the same time as
• 32:48
  a 5 year old. Well, you know, like we all have
• 32:52
  responsibilities and people who take care of five year olds also
• 32:55
  have to go to bed to be up with five year olds.
• 32:58
  So it's not just the five year olds.
• 33:01
  Sean, I believe you had a much more tumultuous time with
• 33:05
  Delves. How's your experience being in
• 33:07
  the War within for Delves? Delves from a fairly well geared
• 33:14
  tank POV serve no functional purpose outside of the first
• 33:20
  week of the season when I'm trying to get extra tear and I
• 33:25
  do not find them enjoyable enough beyond that point to keep
• 33:30
  doing them for fun. Now I have friends who like them
• 33:33
  so I do end up usually filling my delvers journey and spending
• 33:36
  time in delves because my friends are like hey I'm adps
• 33:40
  who likes this but I'm tired of getting my face pushed in can
• 33:44
  you please come stand in front of me with your shield?
• 33:49
  But as a solo game mode I found them to be tedious, boring, and
• 33:56
  just not worth my time from a reward perspective.
• 33:59
  If they had included some cosmetics I guess there was the
• 34:02
  delvers set. You could, but you could buy
• 34:04
  that as well. Yeah, and also it's ugly but
• 34:06
  fire you. Continue.
• 34:07
  And they had to look great. You're right, You're right.
• 34:09
  A lot affected, but yeah, I just I wasn't great for me wasn't
• 34:14
  fun. There's no as a tank, there's no
• 34:16
  challenge, even a tier 11. It's just you don't there's no
• 34:20
  loose condition. I can't die unless I like
• 34:23
  massively over pull the dungeon and I'm just consumed by casters
• 34:28
  out of my range. There's which is why would you
• 34:30
  do that? There's no way for me to die,
• 34:32
  which means now it's not a question of skill.
• 34:36
  It's just a question of time and because you're a tank and they
• 34:40
  have so much health on all the enemies in there, it just takes
• 34:43
  forever. So now it just becomes this
• 34:45
  tedium. It's just, I've said there's
• 34:48
  lots in the show. I found them to be.
• 34:50
  They're not great for tanks. They that they need a drastic
• 34:53
  change. And I went into them on the
• 34:56
  alpha with that hope that they would have done something to
• 35:01
  change it, to make it better for tanks.
• 35:05
  OK, we'll get to your alpha impressions in the moment.
• 35:09
  So just recapping so people don't have to go back into the
• 35:14
  archives of the show, but feel free to do so if you want to.
• 35:17
  I started pretty enthusiastic about Delves behind the scenes.
• 35:21
  We were like really looking forward to Dells trying to like
• 35:25
  figure out like what what they're about, how competitive
• 35:28
  they could be. See if this was like Blizzard
• 35:31
  has positioned this pretty much as a new end game pillar.
• 35:37
  And so I was looking to see how how far it would go if like if
• 35:42
  when you turned it up to 11 is this was going to be something
• 35:45
  incredibly engaging. And unfortunately, delves have
• 35:51
  never quite fit the mark in terms of end game pillars for me
• 35:56
  as Adps melee DPS. Season 11 was a matter of
• 36:02
  getting to the gear point where they wouldn't immediately get
• 36:07
  you in a global before you could react.
• 36:09
  And then once you were at that safety level, yes, there was the
• 36:12
  interplay of like, oh, let me grab those potions so that so
• 36:16
  that I can keep myself healthy and that sort of thing.
• 36:19
  But like, the gimmicks were what really did it for me.
• 36:23
  Each one had this weird little run around with the candle don't
• 36:27
  drown underwater sort of thing that proved to annoy me more
• 36:32
  than engage me. As the expansion went on, they
• 36:36
  actually pulled back on those mechanics.
• 36:37
  We had the entire underwater levels just get drained at the
• 36:41
  in the last season, the candles and the air purifiers became
• 36:45
  multi charges that you wouldn't get screwed over with as easily.
• 36:51
  And so Dells became more enjoyable or maybe more
• 36:55
  tolerable depending on your your your position in season 2 and in
• 37:00
  season 3. But once I was geared, it was
• 37:03
  kind of like you were saying, Sean, I'd push season 2.
• 37:08
  I remember us all being like, whoa, wait a second.
• 37:10
  I just did Elevens on the first day when the world happened.
• 37:15
  They may have nerfed this too much, but I think that's
• 37:19
  preferable to like the frustration of people getting
• 37:21
  like one shot because they're on the wrong spec or healers not
• 37:25
  being able to get through it at all.
• 37:26
  On the addition of healer. Brand was a was a godsend for
• 37:30
  healers. So I think Delves in general
• 37:33
  have been in a much better position in in its refinement
• 37:37
  going to the end of the war within the last thing that was
• 37:41
  missing was that I think it's just unanimous between all three
• 37:45
  of us. I hate Bran.
• 37:48
  What an annoying like he's the reason that I turn off sound in
• 37:53
  in World of Warcraft. Half the time I'll be doing the
• 37:56
  dementia's fight, be like, oh man, I got to turn on, turn on
• 37:58
  the sound for this music and then it don't stand in those
• 38:03
  webs and oh, OK, immediate, immediate mute on that.
• 38:07
  So Bran and the feel of Delves as being this weird kooky sort
• 38:11
  of thing also kind of made me not take it seriously and kind
• 38:17
  of detracted from the experience as well.
• 38:19
  But I felt Delves definitely ended in a much better position
• 38:22
  than they began with. So I mean.
• 38:26
  I had this on the show as well. I do think like only in an end
• 38:29
  game pillar is complicated because it ends at the point
• 38:33
  where most like the other end game pillars start, right?
• 38:38
  Like where you start actually pushing is, is the gear level
• 38:41
  and the challenge level. That and like we've had this
• 38:43
  5,000,000 times. I will.
• 38:45
  I will anyway. Anyway.
• 38:48
  It's it's weird because if you're separating Mythic plus
• 38:51
  from all dungeons before it, you are 100% right.
• 38:56
  I would say that your argument is so hard to fight right.
• 39:00
  If you're separating LFR from all other levels of rating
• 39:06
  content, then I would say you're right.
• 39:09
  It's it definitely does not go as it go as far.
• 39:12
  And then we've had the conversation about it's
• 39:13
  balancing all the way through. But I got to ask you guys, your
• 39:18
  experience on the alpha now, how was that for you?
• 39:21
  And I guess, Sean, you were kind of leading into it.
• 39:24
  So we'll get to you first, your experience on the alpha.
• 39:28
  How have you felt Delves have been?
• 39:31
  I've run 3 or 4 now, I can't remember specifically because
• 39:34
  they run together. It is the exact same.
• 39:36
  I feel the exact same about the Delves in Midnight as I do about
• 39:42
  the Delves all through the War Within.
• 39:44
  Now, obviously in Midnight, we can't do up to Tier 11.
• 39:46
  We can do up to only do up to Tier 3, but our characters are
• 39:49
  scaled appropriately for Tier 3. So it's the same as if I was
• 39:52
  doing Tier 11. They are fundamentally missing
• 39:56
  something. And, and I want to say because
• 39:58
  we're throwing a lot of, I feel like we're like really coming
• 40:01
  down on Delves. And I know we have at least one
• 40:03
  listener who loves them and that means we have more listeners who
• 40:07
  enjoy Delves. These are for some people and I
• 40:11
  am so happy that they exist for those people.
• 40:14
  They are definitely not for me in their current state, and
• 40:18
  that's OK. I have so much other things I
• 40:19
  have to do anyway that it's kind of nice to not have to do delves
• 40:25
  and I can't AFK them like I can the theater event.
• 40:27
  So it's really difficult. But yeah, I didn't.
• 40:30
  I found with the with the exception that I don't have to
• 40:33
  listen to Bran. I actually quit my EU rating
• 40:35
  team because two people showed up in that with that stupid
• 40:37
  brand toy on to a raid. So I pretended I'm going back to
• 40:41
  school and told them I had to quit because I couldn't listen
• 40:44
  to don't stand on those webs anymore.
• 40:46
  Anyway, Velira is better, but it's only because there's no
• 40:49
  voice lines in yet. I'm sure she's going to be just
• 40:52
  as annoying, or at least none that I noticed.
• 40:55
  I'm sure she'll be just as annoying.
• 40:56
  And and that's I think I genuinely do not understand the
• 41:02
  decision not to rotate the companion because I didn't hate
• 41:07
  Bran when he came out. I thought he was kind of funny.
• 41:10
  I thought he was kind of cool, right?
• 41:11
  I was like, I'm actually kind of surprised.
• 41:13
  I expect this to be more annoying than it was, but this
• 41:15
  is actually a good time. I loathe him now.
• 41:19
  I think that they should end the war within.
• 41:22
  They should give us a fun scene where we personally get to kill
• 41:24
  Bran. I hate him so much.
• 41:27
  I want him deleted from the files of World of Warcraft.
• 41:30
  I never want to hear a stupid little voice again.
• 41:33
  And yeah, I agree, I'm having more fun with the leader and I'm
• 41:36
  like, oh, this is so like the vibes are different.
• 41:37
  This is so cool. This is so exciting.
• 41:39
  I'm going to hate her in a season, right?
• 41:41
  It's going to be the exact same thing.
• 41:43
  Because the issue is not that Bran is particularly annoying.
• 41:46
  The issue is that if you hear the exact same thing multiple
• 41:50
  times a day, every single day, you will hate it.
• 41:54
  There is no voice fun enough and there's no line cute enough that
• 41:59
  you will not loathe it by the end of that.
• 42:04
  So yeah, I, I, I do, I, I maybe it's work and I'm famous for
• 42:10
  saying I want Blizzard to have lower workloads, but I can't
• 42:15
  imagine it's that hard to just change out the character we're
• 42:18
  running it. But I don't know.
• 42:20
  I don't, I don't code. However, I'm really excited
• 42:23
  about Dallas and Alpha. I think that might be a kind of
• 42:26
  unpopular opinion. I don't think that I've heard a
• 42:28
  lot of people are loving Delves in Alpha, and I'm going to feel
• 42:31
  really, really silly if this is not new in Delves and I somehow
• 42:35
  just missed that it was occurring in other Delves.
• 42:37
  One thing that's really standing out to me is that when you pick
• 42:40
  up the curious, you get a little stacking buff on your character
• 42:44
  goes up and up and up, and I think that's cute.
• 42:46
  I like the the idea that actually exploring and doing the
• 42:48
  delve stuff and doing the Delve mechanics makes you do better.
• 42:51
  And that that means that I can push higher levels and delves
• 42:53
  much lower and it's easier. I mean, I do kind of agree.
• 42:56
  There's a little bit of a issue with it being a little bit easy,
• 43:00
  obviously. But like, I think that's that's
• 43:03
  a cute idea of how to how to use the mechanics within the delves
• 43:07
  that we're already doing to make to choose whether or not you're
• 43:11
  going to buff yourself or not. It will also say, final thought.
• 43:15
  I tried to play on Devourer. Holy Mother of God speaks and I
• 43:21
  as having just said that things are too easy.
• 43:24
  If you do delves as a ranged player on purpose on a regular
• 43:28
  basis, you are stronger than God.
• 43:30
  What are you talking about? I changed to Havoc in three
• 43:33
  seconds. I can't do this.
• 43:36
  So I'm weak and bad, but I'm having fun at Havoc again.
• 43:40
  Oh, OK. All right, so this is where I
• 43:44
  change. I flip the script and say that
• 43:47
  I'm really happy about delves in alpha.
• 43:50
  I have done 1 Delve the first week.
• 43:55
  No, sorry, two delves of both delves the first week multiple
• 44:00
  times, right? It was two of the first one and
• 44:04
  then one of the second. Second week I only did one of
• 44:08
  the delves as we went into Dolom on this week I have done both
• 44:17
  delves and that was a real struggle because the alpha has
• 44:21
  been having this stupid lag later in the week.
• 44:25
  Luckily when I went into the instance it wasn't bad.
• 44:28
  So maybe it's only in the out world but like I've been
• 44:31
  struggling to play on the alpha because of the lag that I've
• 44:34
  been suffering. Regardless, I've been enjoying
• 44:37
  Delves. I think regardless of where they
• 44:42
  go in the end game, I am very happy to see Delves integrated
• 44:46
  into the storyline. It makes for bigger moments as
• 44:52
  punctuation points in the levelling campaign.
• 44:55
  Whether that is clear like closer to the end as a capstone
• 44:58
  for like whatever happened to these guys or if it is a big
• 45:02
  reveal moment before like they do a little reset.
• 45:06
  I do genuinely like Delves as part of a story element.
• 45:10
  It's kind of reminiscent of Legion, how Legion had its
• 45:14
  dungeons as the final part of a story and you would like go
• 45:19
  against the drug bar to like finally get the last part of
• 45:24
  whatever Mac Guffin that you were working on in that zone.
• 45:28
  And them using Dells like this makes me appreciate Dells a lot
• 45:31
  more. They are just generally really
• 45:34
  good scenarios with like set pieces that are set up that way
• 45:39
  and so I really like that a lot. As far as where I feel this is
• 45:45
  going to be in the end game, like Sean said, we haven't had a
• 45:49
  chance to test anywhere beyond three.
• 45:53
  I don't know where 9/10/11 is. I would hope that they would
• 46:00
  possibly look at maybe throwing in additional affixes.
• 46:04
  In my mind season 1 was stop at 88 is what you need to get
• 46:10
  through all the stuff you need and 9/10/11 are the challenge
• 46:13
  modes for bragging rights. And yes, it might be unbalanced,
• 46:17
  but if you can do it, like congratulations, that's
• 46:19
  something to brag about. And I felt it was aspirational
• 46:23
  content and I think is the term I was using at the time.
• 46:26
  And I still think that there's a place for that in delves.
• 46:29
  Maybe it becomes more like Tor gas where you get through all
• 46:33
  the floors and then, hey, do you want to turn on like the the
• 46:38
  void void corrupted version and like do corruption 1-2 and three
• 46:43
  to make it that like extra challenge mode.
• 46:46
  And that doesn't need to be perfectly balanced.
• 46:48
  And it does. And it specifically should not
• 46:51
  reward any kind of power so that people don't feel barred from
• 46:56
  power. Because as soon as they added in
• 46:58
  power to the later parts of The Dells, that's when they nerfed
• 47:02
  it to the point where we're like, whoa, wait a second,
• 47:05
  where's where's the teeth in this?
• 47:08
  Yeah, well, I think I think this is the same thing that you were
• 47:13
  talking about, but I was thinking a lot with the like
• 47:15
  masks in the corrupted visions. So that's sort of like choose
• 47:21
  your own adventure. And I do think to what I was
• 47:24
  saying to Sean, I think that I'm giving more cosmetics is a good
• 47:28
  idea and I think they need to be less ugly.
• 47:32
  Respectfully, if you love Delves, I do.
• 47:35
  I think part of the issue is in war within Delves were kind of
• 47:40
  the like dinky work, right? Like the the game designers
• 47:46
  themselves wanted them to feel silly and fun and light hearted.
• 47:49
  And what that meant is that everything felt dinky.
• 47:53
  Like I didn't feel like I was going through and getting this
• 47:55
  gear that then made me look like an epic hero.
• 47:58
  I thought it made me look like a silly little explorer.
• 48:00
  And if that's what you want, that's great.
• 48:01
  That's super valid. Not everything is for me.
• 48:03
  And maybe delves are supposed to make you look like a silly
• 48:05
  little explorer. And if you're happy being a
• 48:06
  silly little explorer, I'm happy for you.
• 48:08
  You look like a cool adventurer who's also a silly little
• 48:09
  explorer. But I I don't know it just I go
• 48:14
  through the raid and I get this cool, you know, voity incredible
• 48:17
  like demon thing and I go through PvP and I got this
• 48:21
  badass like, you know, fighter thing and then I go through
• 48:23
  doves like a little hat like. No, not a hat.
• 48:26
  Melted candle. We say hat on you.
• 48:29
  Stupid melted candle I was mixing up.
• 48:32
  It was just dumb. Like why would I push through to
• 48:35
  get that? And again, maybe you really like
• 48:37
  it and if you do, I love that for you.
• 48:38
  Not everything is for me. Delves are not for Sean.
• 48:41
  Delve appearances are not for me, but I, I, I do think war
• 48:45
  within just the whole vibe was this is silly, right?
• 48:50
  Like this is silly, goofy, nothing.
• 48:53
  And this is what you go through and you play and all the websles
• 48:55
  summon Naurubians and you got a melted candle on your head.
• 48:59
  Ha ha ha, we're all having a good time.
• 49:01
  Which fair enough, but again, it, it didn't make it feel like
• 49:05
  actual end game content. It made it feel dinky.
• 49:09
  Yeah, Manny asked me when we were getting ready for this
• 49:11
  segment. Manny said Shine.
• 49:12
  You can't just you, you can't come on and just say you hate
• 49:15
  Delves. That's dismissive.
• 49:16
  I need you to find out, like think of what about them would
• 49:22
  need to be changed for you to enjoy them.
• 49:24
  And I really put some thought into that.
• 49:25
  I gave it a lot of thought because I'm a little bit afraid
• 49:29
  of Manny. I don't want to get kicked off
• 49:30
  the show, but also because I feel like Delves deserve that.
• 49:34
  So much of this game, I enjoy, it consumes my life.
• 49:36
  I can put this effort in. And Lex, you mentioned something
• 49:39
  that that that initially came to mind, Horrific Visions.
• 49:42
  I am on the record of saying Horrific Visions are the best
• 49:45
  solo player content Blizzard has ever designed.
• 49:48
  So I thought to myself, what about Horrific Visions that I
• 49:50
  like? And it was a combination of two
• 49:53
  things. The the mask system where you
• 49:55
  could put on more masks for a risk reward.
• 49:57
  Like I remember back in BFA, you're like, I'm just going to
• 50:00
  go to sanity 90 and I'll just deal with the thing from beyond.
• 50:04
  F it. I want all this power and the
• 50:08
  timer that that timer, whether it's your sanity meter or what
• 50:11
  it is that made a difference. Would those things make delves
• 50:15
  better for me? Maybe I might enjoy them more,
• 50:17
  but then are they delves anymore or are they now just horrific
• 50:19
  visions with a friend? And would that ruin the Delve
• 50:26
  experience for everybody who likes it because you can get up
• 50:29
  and walk away from your desk while doing them?
• 50:30
  Probably. So I, I think ultimately, if,
• 50:35
  if, if they just had the inclusion of some puzzles, and I
• 50:38
  don't mean those string puzzles that you have to untangle, which
• 50:41
  for the record, whichever developer Blizzard does those, I
• 50:44
  love you. They're amazing, fascinating
• 50:46
  with you. Thank you so much.
• 50:49
  But not just those, but like, I'm thinking like, you know,
• 50:52
  puzzles where you're like, you have to flip a switch and then
• 50:55
  flip another switch in a different order.
• 50:56
  Or those chests, you guys have those chests and Tortas where it
• 51:00
  was like you had to figure out which switch turned off which
• 51:04
  number rune and and like work through.
• 51:06
  And they weren't just it wasn't simple.
• 51:08
  Those weren't easy. I always felt so smart solving
• 51:10
  one of those threw a couple of those in there.
• 51:12
  But no, don't let me go to the next room till I can do that.
• 51:15
  I don't know, and I don't even know.
• 51:17
  Maybe that won't. Maybe that won't do it because
• 51:19
  maybe the the act of having to fight enemies as a tank where
• 51:24
  the enemies have a ton of health and I'm just waiting for them to
• 51:26
  be dead just isn't ever going to be fun.
• 51:30
  Tor gas did modify enemies based on what roles you had and I
• 51:33
  think that can be added into delves quite easily considering
• 51:37
  that the technology has already been used.
• 51:41
  I do like your want for puzzles. I I always felt that delves
• 51:47
  because they were not time constrained because you could go
• 51:50
  do it by yourself or go with a group that isn't pushing to get
• 51:53
  it done in the next 15 seconds. Should have allowed for like
• 51:57
  more things that like challenged you in ways that other content
• 52:01
  wouldn't allow, like platform jumping or or like doing those
• 52:06
  those puzzles. So, but like, again, that's you
• 52:10
  and I who don't have particular funnels for the rest of our
• 52:14
  gameplay. That's true.
• 52:16
  I don't and and for the for the record, fast, if you are
• 52:18
  listening, I do not want you to. I don't want ever there to ever
• 52:22
  be a conversation that says, Hey, we need to make sure that
• 52:24
  mythic plusers and mythic Raiders really love delves.
• 52:27
  So let's let's figure like don't we don't matter and then talk to
• 52:31
  the delve people find out what they want.
• 52:35
  But platforming is great. And then I can I can I can hear
• 52:37
  the comments of like, oh, well, demon hunters would make
• 52:39
  platforming irrelevant. OK, cool.
• 52:41
  They then they get easy platforming because they chose
• 52:43
  to be a Demon Hunter. Let them enjoy their double
• 52:45
  jumpy zoom life. That's that's their choice.
• 52:49
  One thing I do want to quickly point out is that we're talking
• 52:51
  about how we want more things that like makes solo content and
• 52:56
  world content unique in Delves. We started this whole
• 52:59
  conversation with Manny talking about how like the, you know,
• 53:03
  the underwater breathing and the candles and stuff really sucked.
• 53:07
  That was something that makes world content unique, which is
• 53:11
  not the only thing. I do also agree I was kind of a
• 53:14
  little bit frustrated with it at the end.
• 53:17
  I. Yeah, that.
• 53:18
  That did suck like that underwater breathing.
• 53:20
  Yeah, that was, that was, that was a pain and it was it was
• 53:22
  convoluted. I did not like that.
• 53:25
  I do think I, I, I also wanted to feel a little bit more like
• 53:30
  open world, like I, I wanted to have that open world content
• 53:32
  vibe that, you know, puzzle doing like things that aren't
• 53:37
  just hit enemy with sword. I do think one of the chronic
• 53:42
  issues with delves and maybe if they make it look and feel a
• 53:47
  little bit more serious, we won't have this.
• 53:48
  But I don't know if that's true. And I, I worried this is going
• 53:52
  to happen when delves came out, and I think to some degree it is
• 53:54
  still true. Is that the World of Warcraft
• 53:58
  community as a whole is so used to open world contact, meaning
• 54:02
  face roll that we expect the delve equals face rule 2 and
• 54:08
  anytime it doesn't anytime it's not just go in blast through get
• 54:13
  gear, push back occurs and then it gets nerfed into the ground.
• 54:17
  I we saw that with the you know, tier elevens giving gilded and
• 54:20
  now all of a sudden they're, you know, babies first delve, not
• 54:24
  really tier 11 is there's there's still challenge.
• 54:27
  I don't mean to be rude and also be aware of the fact that yes,
• 54:29
  like we are all Raiders. We are all doing higher level
• 54:32
  stuff. So the level that delves that is
• 54:36
  not where any three of us should be at.
• 54:40
  But like delves themselves allow for progression.
• 54:43
  So even if we are getting outside gear right, somebody who
• 54:48
  is able to complete a three gear easily should then find a step
• 54:55
  up in 4-5 and so forth. So like eventually you should be
• 54:59
  able to, depending on your the speed that you activate to it,
• 55:03
  you should be able to use the things that you get from an 8 to
• 55:06
  beat the 9 to beat the 10 and finally conquer the 11.
• 55:09
  And like, I think delves in general don't have the same
• 55:15
  thing that you see in raids and mythic plus, where like once you
• 55:19
  get beyond this point, suddenly there's an affix.
• 55:21
  And maybe that's something that like they could put into delves
• 55:25
  to like show that further graduation is that like, hey,
• 55:30
  you don't have to deal with as many of these.
• 55:33
  What we're we were calling is gimmicks, but mechanics at lower
• 55:38
  levels. And rather than it just being
• 55:40
  beat your face down harder at the high levels, you now have
• 55:43
  more mechanics that would challenge you.
• 55:46
  And so if you have yourself and two players, maybe you all have
• 55:51
  to hit the switches in a within a particular time.
• 55:56
  But if it's just you, you get the time to walk between the
• 55:59
  switches to, to hit them in the right order, right?
• 56:02
  Like that sort of stuff can like scale with group size and like
• 56:08
  you can ask for coordination or you can just get your, your,
• 56:12
  your companion, right, your delve companion, where it's much
• 56:18
  like, again, we're going back to visions where you get to the
• 56:22
  gate. It's like we have to press these
• 56:23
  at the same time. And then the NBC will press 1
• 56:25
  and you'll press another. And then if it's you and a
• 56:27
  player, well, then you have to coordinate or get it within that
• 56:30
  same window. So I think there are options for
• 56:33
  it. I just don't think that they
• 56:35
  they've explored ones that aren't just like like honestly,
• 56:39
  the the candles and the breathing are annoying because
• 56:44
  it is a restriction on your play, not a challenge that you
• 56:48
  can do after you've kind of cleared out the area.
• 56:50
  It's oh, I'm running out of here and I got to run to here and now
• 56:54
  those the harpooner drags me back.
• 56:57
  So I start drowning and dying and man this feels stupid and
• 56:59
  annoying and punishing and not me playing my character.
• 57:02
  Yeah, yeah. Well, and I, I, the more I think
• 57:05
  about this, I really think a mask, like a system similar to
• 57:09
  the masks is the answer to how to make delves better.
• 57:13
  I was even thinking when Sean was talking, I was like, if they
• 57:15
  give this a timer that is going to that is the reason I don't
• 57:18
  like Mythic Plus. I do not want this on a timer.
• 57:20
  I do not want that stress, but it's primarily solo content.
• 57:24
  Why can't this be choose your own adventure, right?
• 57:27
  Why can't Sean choose to turn on the timer and he gets a
• 57:29
  different, you know, be it cosmetic or or be it like Delve
• 57:33
  internal, right? The same way that visions gave
• 57:35
  you vision currency you could use to buy vision stuff, like
• 57:39
  make it something that you know, delves the harder you do.
• 57:41
  You can do things that make that you buy Delve gear or you buy
• 57:45
  like Delve stuff, right? Why, why can't he choose to turn
• 57:50
  that on and I choose not to put that dove mask in and we get to
• 57:54
  do different things that make us happy, right.
• 57:55
  One of the benefits of of single player play is that we should be
• 57:59
  able to or one would expect that a single player game, you can do
• 58:05
  a lot more tweaking without worrying about like, oh, but Lex
• 58:11
  would hate if there was a timer. So like, OK, then just make it
• 58:14
  optional, right? Why can't I make my own choices?
• 58:16
  Why can't I make my own single player play feel different?
• 58:23
  Yeah. Does anybody have anything
• 58:27
  further to add or shall we move on?
• 58:31
  OK. We shouldn't stand here any
• 58:33
  longer. We'll summon the Rubens.
• 58:36
  Next time let's do some harder hitting moves.
• 58:37
  You guys so him so much. We prepped this segment to
• 58:44
  saying let's have a fun little chat with Dells.
• 58:49
  All right, so on the alpha coming this week, maybe up as
• 58:56
  we're recording this, phase four of the Midnight Alpha will be
• 59:01
  live and this will take players starting at 88 up to 90.
• 59:06
  The caps, we are now reaching the level cap of 90 and includes
• 59:11
  the new zone, the Void Storm, 3 new dungeons, Void Scar Arena,
• 59:16
  Nexus Point, Zenith, Magister's Terrace which has been
• 59:19
  reimagined from BC. We've got 2 new Dells which is
• 59:23
  the Shadow Guard Point and Sun Killer Sanctum PvP is finally
• 59:28
  getting its time now that we're hitting level 90 and so that
• 59:32
  includes Slayer's Rise PvP zone and the instance version which
• 59:37
  is a 40V40 battleground. Then the other point is all
• 59:44
  classes should have their Apex talents integrated into their
• 59:50
  spec trees. This is great.
• 59:52
  Some classes have had it from the get go, some classes have
• 59:55
  had it added as we've gone through the phases.
• 59:57
  This is the point where all of our classes should have their
• 1:00:02
  Apex talents. So I'm excited for this.
• 1:00:05
  This is when we really start digging through those through
• 1:00:08
  the classes and seeing what they're actually meant to be as
• 1:00:11
  a complete package. So I'm looking forward to
• 1:00:15
  digging into the. Alpha here.
• 1:00:19
  What about you guys? What's your what's your top
• 1:00:23
  thing on this list? Let's start with you, Lex.
• 1:00:26
  So I, I guess I have to say Apex talents just because I am
• 1:00:31
  actively trying to avoid story as much as I possibly can in
• 1:00:35
  Alpha. I don't anticipate like
• 1:00:37
  obviously I'm going to get spoilers partially because I'm
• 1:00:39
  in Alpha, partially because I think that's I, I've come to
• 1:00:42
  understand that's part of my role as a content creator,
• 1:00:44
  right? Like I need to be getting that
• 1:00:46
  early information so I can record things right when they
• 1:00:48
  come out and I can jump right in and have that knowledge.
• 1:00:53
  But by and large, like what I've been doing right now as I've
• 1:00:56
  been going in, I've been talking to the person who boosts me up
• 1:00:59
  as high as they'll boost me, and I just go play Delves and, you
• 1:01:01
  know, follow our dungeons and stuff like that.
• 1:01:04
  So I get that information. I can still do the alpha, but I
• 1:01:07
  don't touch story. So yeah.
• 1:01:09
  And I guess I'm excited to play. I'm excited to play more Delves.
• 1:01:13
  I've actually not been doing many dungeons, so I should get
• 1:01:15
  into that. I guess.
• 1:01:16
  I'm excited to do dungeons. Manny, let's do much more
• 1:01:18
  dungeons. OK, OK, we'll get we'll to track
• 1:01:21
  down a tank and we'll we can do that.
• 1:01:23
  I've actually been healing dungeons because shaman resto
• 1:01:27
  shaman is is in a state. So yeah, we can we can do that.
• 1:01:33
  Sean. OK, you're pointing at yourself,
• 1:01:35
  so you clearly want to Give your opinion.
• 1:01:36
  What are you looking forward to in Thanks.
• 1:01:38
  He's excited. To tank, but Dang, since we.
• 1:01:43
  Were talking. About a good tank.
• 1:01:46
  Oh my, listen, Lex, there are only 46 protection paladins in
• 1:01:53
  the world who have killed Mythic Demensius.
• 1:01:56
  And I'm sorry, that's not true. There's 51 now, but I am the
• 1:01:59
  46th. I was the 46th 1 to kill him.
• 1:02:04
  That makes, I mean, I'm good. He's.
• 1:02:05
  Happened to be on the team. No more than 46 Protection
• 1:02:08
  paladins. No, no, no.
• 1:02:10
  Sean's saying that he killed dementias with a garbage class,
• 1:02:14
  so you know he's a good tank. Sean is not saying that Prop
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  Paladin is great. Don't believe the rumors,
• 1:02:22
  they're not dead. I am most looking forward to
• 1:02:25
  Listener who is waiting for us to get to the point being level
• 1:02:29
  90 and actually getting to test out some classes.
• 1:02:32
  I hope they have an option to make a Max level character.
• 1:02:35
  I fear that will be next week's build and not this week's build,
• 1:02:40
  so I'll have to level them up. But that's OK, I'll level them
• 1:02:42
  up and that's only two levels. That should be fast.
• 1:02:46
  But I'm looking forward to that testing index sounds and
• 1:02:49
  obviously the dungeons. I love the dungeons I mean.
• 1:02:52
  They're testing the battlegrounds.
• 1:02:55
  Either they're gonna shift. You there's not gonna be 80
• 1:02:58
  people on the alpha to test the battleground.
• 1:03:00
  But that is genuinely a concern. They're going to be a big invite
• 1:03:04
  of a bunch of very PvP centric people.
• 1:03:08
  There better be that Brawl with the Blues to get people in on
• 1:03:12
  like particular days to test it. But I was saying that the PvP
• 1:03:17
  testing may allow, may get them to make 90 premades.
• 1:03:22
  So you might actually get your 90 premades.
• 1:03:24
  We'll see that. 'D be nice.
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  As for me, yeah, like I I do think that you're both right.
• 1:03:30
  Dungeons, Max level characters and testing the the full
• 1:03:33
  package. Like I was saying, I am
• 1:03:36
  interested in the void storm just because we just had Koresh
• 1:03:41
  and I feel like there's a lot of overlap there.
• 1:03:43
  So I want to see how the world builders have made this
• 1:03:46
  different and maybe it will inform like how Koresh was like
• 1:03:51
  affected, like give a little bit of that story that world
• 1:03:53
  development. So I'm interested in this zone
• 1:03:57
  and it's world development there.
• 1:04:00
  So to give a different answer, yeah, Void storm, new zone.
• 1:04:03
  Let's see, let's see what they they're cooking because the team
• 1:04:06
  has been doing some beautiful, beautiful stuff for everybody
• 1:04:10
  who has seen anything out of the last phase, the root lands, the
• 1:04:16
  harandar like wow, that is a gorgeous zone.
• 1:04:21
  And so let's see what they do with the with the void storm.
• 1:04:27
  With that said, Sean, would you like to take the next segment?
• 1:04:32
  Yeah, I'd love to, Manny. I'd love to.
• 1:04:34
  This is the part of the show where we would like to say a
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• 1:05:13
  With that said, we are going to now talk about the UI features
• 1:05:17
  with the start of the 4th zone. That and hitting level 90, we
• 1:05:21
  are going to be accessing everything that the base game
• 1:05:25
  has outside of the end game. Pillars of Mythic plus top level
• 1:05:29
  delves. And rating of course right?
• 1:05:32
  Rating. I can't forget rating and the UI
• 1:05:36
  needs to support that. Over the last couple of weeks,
• 1:05:40
  we've been talking about the various changes that they've
• 1:05:42
  done to the API, and we really want to now take some time to
• 1:05:46
  talk about the things that we think the UI really needs with
• 1:05:51
  the launch of Midnight to get it up to a workable level.
• 1:05:55
  These are not our wants. These are not a, this is not a
• 1:05:58
  wish list of things that would make everything perfect.
• 1:06:01
  These are the things that we consider Dire needs to make the
• 1:06:05
  UI up to snuff. So starting with rate frames,
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  Sean, you have this one. Yeah.
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  So at a minimum, and this, there are some changes coming to the
• 1:06:15
  UI with this alpha build. The build is not live as of this
• 1:06:19
  recording. And I don't know if it was a
• 1:06:21
  fever dream or if I read somewhere that there are some
• 1:06:23
  things coming that are going to be good.
• 1:06:24
  But as a minimum there, we know they're doing a rate frame
• 1:06:28
  rework, but we need to be able to determine what buffs and
• 1:06:33
  debuffs we track on the rate frames.
• 1:06:35
  So we need to be able to whitelist and blacklist debuffs
• 1:06:37
  on the raid frames. This is going to be mostly
• 1:06:40
  targeted to healers because this is who's going to impact the
• 1:06:42
  most. And when I say buffs, I mean
• 1:06:44
  things like Atonement and Regrowth and Life Bloom.
• 1:06:47
  Let the healers not just choose which ones they want to track,
• 1:06:50
  but where they position them on the raid frame so that they are
• 1:06:54
  always looking at the same thing every time.
• 1:06:55
  It's so important right now. If you have too many Dots, sorry
• 1:07:00
  too many Hots applied to a single player on the current
• 1:07:02
  raid frames, it just doesn't show some of them so you have no
• 1:07:05
  way of knowing that's the current rate frames.
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  So that is a bare minimum as well.
• 1:07:10
  It will be. We like allow us to whitelist
• 1:07:13
  and blacklist what buffs and debuffs we track, but also the
• 1:07:16
  position and size of those debuffs.
• 1:07:18
  At a minimum, a nice to have is changing the color of the
• 1:07:22
  nameplate based on a dispellable debuff that's on them.
• 1:07:28
  So if it's a poison or a magic curse, having the ability to
• 1:07:31
  change the colors and plates. But if we are able to choose
• 1:07:35
  that, that's a nice to have. That makes it, that makes it a
• 1:07:37
  lot easier. But as long as we can track the
• 1:07:40
  debuff specifically, then that becomes not a mandatory piece,
• 1:07:44
  but more of a a nice to have piece.
• 1:07:46
  But they the raid frames and by consequence the party frames as
• 1:07:49
  well. It we know a rework is coming.
• 1:07:52
  So it's I'm really hesitant to say, hey, this needs to be done
• 1:07:55
  because it may already be in the pipeline.
• 1:07:56
  Blizzard unfortunately to date hasn't told us what they plan
• 1:08:00
  for the raid frames, just that they are making changes to them.
• 1:08:03
  But they that absolutely has to be in there, play Raider healers
• 1:08:08
  in a raid need to be able to quick identify who needs to be
• 1:08:12
  dispelled. What players do I need to put my
• 1:08:16
  buffs on to make sure that we're getting them.
• 1:08:17
  And then it also not just healers, but it also works for
• 1:08:20
  like Preservation Evokers. They need to know who they're
• 1:08:22
  putting presents on. They designed this class with
• 1:08:25
  the ability to apply presents to specific people.
• 1:08:28
  We want to be able to see who it's on.
• 1:08:30
  And you have to track that through the raid frames.
• 1:08:33
  So those are just some examples, but that absolutely is a must
• 1:08:37
  have for the for Midnight. That's a big thing like as of
• 1:08:42
  this point we don't know what blizzards priorities are.
• 1:08:46
  We don't know what blizzards timeline is we we don't know
• 1:08:49
  exactly what they have planned. So this is really just us going
• 1:08:54
  off of the best information we have at this time.
• 1:08:56
  Moving on from the raid frames, the cooldown manager is
• 1:08:59
  something that both you and lex have something for I'm going to
• 1:09:02
  let you give your first one then we'll go to lex and then you can
• 1:09:06
  give your second one Sean. So Sean, what is your first ask
• 1:09:09
  for the for? Sure, I'm actually going to flip
• 1:09:12
  the order them because this sort of goes along with the rate
• 1:09:14
  frames. The cool down manager needs some
• 1:09:18
  way to track buffs and debuffs with white and blacklisting.
• 1:09:22
  So we now have some and this is the thing.
• 1:09:24
  I thought I read them. I thought I read that they're
• 1:09:26
  adding buffs to the cool down manager, but I may have dreamt
• 1:09:28
  it last night. But then we need to be able to.
• 1:09:31
  I would like to be able to also fundamentally choose what buffs
• 1:09:34
  are tracked by the by the cooldown manager.
• 1:09:37
  But if we can't choose from all buffs, then let us.
• 1:09:41
  No, you got to let us choose because you just don't know.
• 1:09:43
  You don't let us choose our buffs, but our debuffs.
• 1:09:45
  There's no right now the only way to track debuffs in the game
• 1:09:47
  is the debuffs next to your mini map icon, which is not great
• 1:09:52
  because you've got things like Time Warp on there or any long
• 1:09:57
  debuffs that aren't really relevant in the middle of
• 1:09:59
  combat. You really want to track those
• 1:10:01
  short debuffs in combat and we don't have any way to do that.
• 1:10:04
  You have a bleed on you. You have a cursor on you.
• 1:10:06
  The only way to know now is to look at the mini map and you can
• 1:10:09
  use the edit mode to move those debuffs.
• 1:10:11
  But again, you have all of these extra debuffs that aren't
• 1:10:14
  relevant and the same with their buffs in the top right.
• 1:10:18
  There's it's just not not relevant.
• 1:10:20
  It's not a good way to parse that information.
• 1:10:22
  So we need a way to whitelist and blacklist buffs and debuffs
• 1:10:27
  in the cooldown manager. Cool down manager does allow for
• 1:10:30
  some buff tracking. Right now I would like that it
• 1:10:35
  be opened up and let us select anything from any buff that we
• 1:10:38
  could possibly have Let us track it because right now that I
• 1:10:41
  don't have that option. I don't know if I have iron bark
• 1:10:45
  like if I get an external from a healer, there's no way for me to
• 1:10:47
  track that other than the mini map which has 45 buffs.
• 1:10:51
  I have 45 buffs right now. I got to look and see if one and
• 1:10:54
  they're all moving all the time. They just keep moving.
• 1:10:56
  They just it's like I'm in a swarm of bees.
• 1:10:59
  So they need to let us, they need to look that we need, there
• 1:11:03
  needs to be a way for us to track that.
• 1:11:04
  And I understand you want to remove complexity from the game,
• 1:11:08
  but some of those people like it's as a tank, you can't do
• 1:11:11
  your job correctly if you don't know.
• 1:11:13
  Do I have an external now? Do I have to send a defensive?
• 1:11:16
  That kind of coordination and communication needs to happen
• 1:11:18
  visually on the screen. That's my first one for the
• 1:11:20
  cooldown manager. OK, Lex, for your want for the
• 1:11:26
  Kodai manager, what do you have? So I think we need alerts based
• 1:11:31
  on resources that we have. Things like rage, fury, mana.
• 1:11:36
  Presumably. This might be Demon Hunter
• 1:11:39
  specific. I haven't played that many
• 1:11:41
  classes, but I feel like I'm constantly having abilities that
• 1:11:46
  I only cast when I am building right.
• 1:11:49
  Things like the point of this is to build or on the flip side, I
• 1:11:53
  do not want to cast this right now because they don't have
• 1:11:55
  enough resources and I I need to to wait until I build more.
• 1:12:00
  And to my memory that is not something I can do with the
• 1:12:03
  cooldown manager right now. I can't have things turn on to
• 1:12:06
  like, OK, this is going to pop up if you don't have.
• 1:12:10
  I mean, what I really want is I want deep interaction ability,
• 1:12:14
  right? I don't know, I don't think
• 1:12:15
  that's ever going to happen. But usually I have stacking
• 1:12:18
  requirements on my tell me when like this is only going to pop
• 1:12:20
  up if I do not have this buff and I am under this percent and
• 1:12:24
  I need this like I would like that.
• 1:12:26
  But at the very least I need it to be like, OK, this is only
• 1:12:29
  going to pop up if you're under 40 ferry.
• 1:12:32
  Definitely other classes do use that.
• 1:12:34
  Anybody who plays like Elemental Shaman or even Enhanced Shaman,
• 1:12:38
  making sure that you don't overcap on Maelstrom is a is a
• 1:12:42
  part of the skill expression. So sending something at 8:00
• 1:12:47
  because you don't want to suddenly GCD and go to 11 when
• 1:12:50
  you and waste a proc is part of part of it.
• 1:12:54
  Or when you want to, you know, that you can send a earth shock
• 1:13:01
  or elemental blast followed by the the empowered earthquake,
• 1:13:04
  you need to make sure that you're above a certain threshold
• 1:13:08
  that allows you to spend both of them in succession.
• 1:13:11
  So like, yeah, there are multiple classes that do it.
• 1:13:13
  I'm just talking about elemental shaman.
• 1:13:16
  But there are times where I, like, I'm playing on my warrior
• 1:13:19
  as a protection warrior. And Sean would know more about
• 1:13:21
  this than I, I do. But like I want to have like a
• 1:13:24
  safe pool so that I can be ready for a defensive for maybe
• 1:13:29
  something that's coming up. And hey, when I'm above a
• 1:13:32
  certain point, yeah, now I want to start spending what I
• 1:13:36
  consider extra rage. But below a certain point I want
• 1:13:39
  to be like, okay, conserve. So I do very much think that
• 1:13:44
  this is something that is part of the game.
• 1:13:47
  And yes, there is there is a chance that they could simplify
• 1:13:51
  it enough that you could track that manually.
• 1:13:53
  But I also think that the game should just intuitively give you
• 1:13:57
  that information because it just makes for a better intuitive
• 1:14:00
  play. It makes for people able to like
• 1:14:06
  feel their character more than just like tracking the HUD.
• 1:14:13
  It's the the resource, the personal resources are in dire
• 1:14:17
  need of help that right now on Brewmasters, the stagger bar
• 1:14:20
  only goes up to 100%. So if you're staggered at
• 1:14:23
  anything above 100%, it's a guess.
• 1:14:25
  There is no way for you to know from the base you are.
• 1:14:29
  That's a great, that's a great show to Lex.
• 1:14:31
  Maelstrom Weapon, which is the core resource for Enhancement
• 1:14:36
  Shaman, is a buff that gets lost in the 45.
• 1:14:43
  Oh, the the the buff situation is monstrous.
• 1:14:46
  They call everything a buff like somebody's got it.
• 1:14:48
  If if we want to simplify something, girls simplify that
• 1:14:51
  what is happening? Which is Sean's first act, but
• 1:14:55
  going to Sean's second ask what do you got?
• 1:14:59
  Yeah #2 CVS. So we're still talking Cooldown
• 1:15:01
  manager here #2 Right now I'd like to be able to track my
• 1:15:04
  racials and my trinkets. The only way for me to know if
• 1:15:07
  these are on cooldown is by looking at an action bar.
• 1:15:12
  And the only way to know if I have the buff for either of them
• 1:15:14
  active is to to look at the action bar and see is it on
• 1:15:18
  cooldown in the window while I have it available now and or do
• 1:15:23
  I see the buff in the top? It's there's just not, we're not
• 1:15:26
  tracking them. I guess it's just, and you're
• 1:15:28
  going to have to update that. This is like, I think
• 1:15:31
  fundamentally the cooldown manager.
• 1:15:32
  I would love to see it have an implementation where you can
• 1:15:36
  shift click from the spell book or from an item or drag and drop
• 1:15:41
  things into it to track it. I I think it's too much to ask
• 1:15:43
  people to go and look up item IDs and spell IDs.
• 1:15:46
  But if we had some way to drag and drop things in there.
• 1:15:49
  So next season when I get new trinkets I don't have to wait
• 1:15:52
  for Blizzard to implement them. I can just drag and drop them
• 1:15:54
  in. Or if I decide to run old
• 1:15:56
  trinkets because I am a a time runner and I want to build
• 1:15:59
  myself a time walking set and I'm running old trinkets, I
• 1:16:02
  don't want to have to be just lost now because they're gone.
• 1:16:05
  I'd like to be able to drag and drop that stuff in that
• 1:16:07
  functionality to bring it closer.
• 1:16:09
  To tell me when and closer to what we cores provides would be
• 1:16:12
  massive. Giving the players agency over
• 1:16:14
  it. You can still suggest an
• 1:16:16
  offering like they do now, just like you do with starter build.
• 1:16:18
  You suggest starter talents, but here's your suggested starter
• 1:16:22
  cool down manager and you have that, you know, this is what we
• 1:16:24
  suggest, but giving us the option to add in the things that
• 1:16:27
  you may be didn't think that that we want to track or that
• 1:16:34
  you just forgot about. You know what, it happens.
• 1:16:37
  That will be huge. But yeah, we need to be able to.
• 1:16:40
  We need to be able to track our racials and our trinkets,
• 1:16:45
  please. Unless they're removing
• 1:16:46
  trinkets. Are they just making all
• 1:16:48
  trinkets passive? Yes.
• 1:16:50
  I'm also listen. I'm also for.
• 1:16:51
  That I will not. I will.
• 1:16:52
  Please, I'm begging you. Get to you.
• 1:16:55
  They're not, but I do think that they need to remove the trinkets
• 1:17:00
  that have those weird. I've got to count the stack sort
• 1:17:02
  of thing and know when to pop this.
• 1:17:04
  There's there were a couple that were in even the latest raid and
• 1:17:09
  that were like, oh, this thing goes up to 20 stacks.
• 1:17:13
  And then when you, when you click the button like you can
• 1:17:17
  expend the stack. So you have to like watch and be
• 1:17:19
  like, Oh, have I hit 20 stacks? I better click the button to
• 1:17:22
  expend those stacks because now I'm wasting getting more stacks.
• 1:17:25
  Or I remember one from like Dragonflight where it was like,
• 1:17:29
  hey, if you do this, you'd get stacks of this.
• 1:17:32
  And if you if you do this, you get stacks of this, but you
• 1:17:34
  start losing the other stacks. And so your entire thing was
• 1:17:37
  balancing the stacks, which is the most complicated trinket
• 1:17:40
  ever on top of everything that the game expected of us.
• 1:17:44
  No more of those trinkets. Just regardless of what we're
• 1:17:48
  tracking, that is a weak ore trinket and I don't want it
• 1:17:53
  anymore. Moving on from Cooldown Manager,
• 1:17:58
  we have nameplates. There was a really good video
• 1:18:03
  put out by Sean about the nameplates, and I will throw
• 1:18:06
  those into the show notes. But Sean, you have some
• 1:18:09
  additional asks for the nameplates.
• 1:18:11
  So do you want to go through these?
• 1:18:13
  Yeah, I'm going to start at the bottom.
• 1:18:14
  This is a trend. You guys may expect it.
• 1:18:17
  I'd like to be able to white and blacklist the buffs and debuffs
• 1:18:20
  that we're tracking on the nameplates.
• 1:18:22
  So right now Blue Jet has a set number of your debuffs that are
• 1:18:25
  applied to the enemy that it tracks and they've chosen what
• 1:18:28
  to do it. For Paladin, it's Judgement, for
• 1:18:29
  example. I don't care about Judgement,
• 1:18:31
  but there are other things I might care about.
• 1:18:33
  I might care about Avengers Shields and if there's still
• 1:18:34
  silence, I actually think that does track in the share.
• 1:18:37
  It's easy, but let me white and blacklist what debuffs on track,
• 1:18:41
  debuffs on tracking from myself and what buffs the enemies have.
• 1:18:46
  It's just that that player agency like granularity.
• 1:18:50
  If I played Pro Warrior right now, I can almost guarantee
• 1:18:52
  they're tracking a dozen things I don't care about and probably
• 1:18:55
  one or two things that I do, but there's no way to select which
• 1:18:58
  ones I see on that name play bar.
• 1:19:00
  It's all or nothing, which is a problem we're going to talk
• 1:19:03
  about coming up as well, the all or nothing mentality.
• 1:19:06
  So that's the number one. That's the only one that I think
• 1:19:09
  is is super desperate and dire right now.
• 1:19:11
  The next one I want to talk about is actually able to be
• 1:19:15
  solved with an add on currently that is being developed that I
• 1:19:20
  have had hands on with, but it is health park.
• 1:19:24
  I I think it should be functionality built into the
• 1:19:25
  game because it is, it's going to be one of those things Ian
• 1:19:29
  said. I don't want there to be an add
• 1:19:32
  on that is mandatory that we're not providing a solution for.
• 1:19:35
  And it's the health bars changing color based on aggro.
• 1:19:39
  So right now there's an add on called Platinator made by the
• 1:19:42
  same guy that is Bagnator that is being developed actively for
• 1:19:46
  midnight, but it's also available to be used in retail
• 1:19:49
  in in Legion remix and nothing it does in remix.
• 1:19:54
  Everything it does in remix it can do in midnight.
• 1:19:55
  He's making it like he's including the midnight
• 1:19:58
  restrictions in the in the in the version.
• 1:20:01
  It now allows you to to change the nameplate color based on
• 1:20:04
  threat. So instead of all the bars being
• 1:20:06
  red all the time, they can now change based on who has aggro.
• 1:20:09
  Whether it's you as a tank or your Co tank in a raid or if one
• 1:20:13
  of your DPS has it. And same if you're ADPS or
• 1:20:15
  healer. But that should be built in
• 1:20:17
  functionality. That is for anybody playing the
• 1:20:19
  There is such a huge difference in the game as a tank for
• 1:20:22
  instantly knowing who has threat.
• 1:20:25
  And you need to know that especially if you get higher in
• 1:20:27
  dungeons. And if if the goal is for the
• 1:20:29
  name plate, add on that the in the in game name plate
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  functionality to let players bridge that gap to compete at
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  that same level. We have to give them this
• 1:20:39
  functionality because the current threat identifier is not
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  good. It's red, the plates are red.
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  Everything's just a sea of red. So health bars changing color,
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  but it's not doom and gloom because if Blizzard doesn't
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  implement it, then I'm just going to tell everybody who
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  install that plater, you know, I'm, I'm certain plater will
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  come up with a similar but platinator.
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  I'll just tell everybody to install that and that'll be the
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  case. And the last one for name
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  blades. And this is something Blizzard
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  has not been super clear on their intentions.
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  So this might be something that they no longer want us to have
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  the ability to do. They may consider this a bridge
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  too far, but it is the ability to change the enemy, the enemy
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  name colors based on like specific criteria.
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  So the example I'll use is making all caster nameplates
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  green and making all Lieutenant nameplates purple, making, you
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  know, being able to change them so that at a glance, you know
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  what is in a pack, you know, OK, these are the enemies with cast
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  bars or with, with, with with spells.
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  So I'm going to have to watch them for kicks because right now
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  there's no way to tell that outside of the naming
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  convention, which is not always fully clear, or the, the shape
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  and size of the models, which is not.
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  That's not a reasonable thing to expect people to to tell so big.
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  But but Blizzard hasn't said whether or not they intend for
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  us to be able to do that. They may think that changing the
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  nameplate colors based on the mob type is too far too much.
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  And so we don't, we just don't know their intention.
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  I'm working under the assumption that they also recognize that
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  being able to tell at a glance instantly whether a pack has
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  where, how many casters a pack has, and how many you know non
• 1:22:23
  casters it has is a is a an advantage and something you want
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  us to do. You don't want us guessing who's
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  going to be casting. But that's all I have for name
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  plates. It's definitely a conversation
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  that we had prior to the filming of this episode where if you
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  have a bunch of a bunch of characters, let's say you're
• 1:22:41
  attacking Stormwind and you have Stormwind mages and Stormwind
• 1:22:45
  Pike masters and Stormwind guards, and then the nameplate
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  only has enough room. It said it like shortens the end
• 1:22:53
  of it. And so all of them will say
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  Stormwind, but you might not know what the breakdown is.
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  And so then you're focused on the models, which can get lost
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  in a mob in a swarm and become hard to click on.
• 1:23:08
  And then you're really hoping that Blizzard is making sure
• 1:23:12
  that the animation of like the Stormwind Mage is so great that
• 1:23:16
  nobody can ignore it. And I think that like, yes, you
• 1:23:19
  could do that, but building in the redundancy so that people
• 1:23:24
  who might not be able to read it as clearly as the designer
• 1:23:29
  intends do have that backup is a big thing.
• 1:23:32
  So colored name bars definitely help changing the nomenclature.
• 1:23:39
  So not everything is where you come from.
• 1:23:41
  Class or spec is a big thing. Like switch it up.
• 1:23:45
  Not every troll needs to be Zolomon something it could be
• 1:23:49
  like hex caster of Zolomon if you really need to put in
• 1:23:53
  Zolomon. But I think that they need to
• 1:23:58
  understand that the the problem is caused because the name
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  plates aren't quite doing the goal.
• 1:24:06
  And there's multiple ways of doing it, but you should be do
• 1:24:09
  it. You're trying to like work on
• 1:24:10
  all of them because not everybody is going to be
• 1:24:14
  benefited by the one solution. So that deals with the name
• 1:24:20
  plates. Going back to Lex, let's talk
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  about the encounter warnings. So this need feels I'm almost
• 1:24:27
  worried I missed something from Blizzard because it feels like
• 1:24:30
  they must be planning this in encounter warnings.
• 1:24:33
  I need to be able to set sound customizations.
• 1:24:35
  I think it is at minimum once arrayed, usually two or three
• 1:24:39
  bosses that we have a mechanic that DVM or whatever has a lower
• 1:24:45
  like, you know, it's like a little like morning and it needs
• 1:24:48
  to scream at you because it's a big deal.
• 1:24:51
  And you absolutely have to know when that mechanic is coming
• 1:24:53
  out. I need to be able to go in and I
• 1:24:55
  need to be able to be like, oh, this one I actually want to set
• 1:24:57
  to the like blast alarm. And I want this sound to be
• 1:25:00
  this. So that ability to like open up
• 1:25:04
  a thing and this is the boss. And these are the abilities they
• 1:25:08
  cast. How do I want them to Alert me
• 1:25:09
  of these? And I want to be able to set
• 1:25:12
  ideally again, high level granularity, but the very least
• 1:25:15
  I need to be able to set the warnings audibly to the way that
• 1:25:19
  I I need them to warn me. I want this built into the
• 1:25:25
  dungeon Journal. If I'm clicking through the
• 1:25:28
  boss's abilities, I want to be able to click on it and it's
• 1:25:31
  like set alert, just build it in immediately.
• 1:25:35
  That's what I would like. I think that that would be the
• 1:25:37
  easiest way and so intuitive. It's like, whoa, that looks
• 1:25:40
  dangerous. Right click, set alert.
• 1:25:42
  What sound do you want? The other part of the sound
• 1:25:46
  alerts, which is weird, is that unless I were to go through and
• 1:25:51
  figure out where the sounds come through, I don't know what
• 1:25:54
  channel they come through and I need the alerts to be on a
• 1:25:56
  separate channel. I want to mute people's voices,
• 1:26:00
  I want to mute the background music, I want to mute all that
• 1:26:03
  stuff, but keep alerts at a separate volume control and a
• 1:26:06
  separate channel. They are on their own channel.
• 1:26:08
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:26:10
  But all of the alerts are on the same channel, so you can't have
• 1:26:13
  the volume control per alert like Lex is wanting.
• 1:26:17
  But alerts are on their own separate audio channel, which is
• 1:26:20
  huge. Good, good, because I couldn't
• 1:26:22
  find it at first. I was like, I got a what are
• 1:26:25
  what exactly are these coming through?
• 1:26:26
  It's not on master. I was like, that's weird.
• 1:26:29
  The other thing is with sound customization and this kind of
• 1:26:32
  goes back to cool down manager. Maybe I should have thrown this
• 1:26:35
  in. Is that like I, I believe that
• 1:26:40
  the audio cues need to be done not just when things come off of
• 1:26:46
  cooldown or they're in their pandemic.
• 1:26:49
  There are so many ways that audio cues have been used
• 1:26:52
  intelligently in game design. I've talked about dead, Sorry,
• 1:26:56
  you're rather Dead by Daylight as a as a game that really uses
• 1:27:00
  this audio well. But there are classic games that
• 1:27:03
  use audio well. Anybody who's ever played Super
• 1:27:06
  Mario and knows the invincible star, that is intuitive sound
• 1:27:09
  design. You know when you have it
• 1:27:11
  because the sound is going. You know when it's ending
• 1:27:14
  because the way the sound goes when it's when it's about to run
• 1:27:17
  out. You don't need to know the
• 1:27:19
  exact, oh, when I pick up an invincible star, I have 10
• 1:27:22
  seconds to run around or whatever the time length is.
• 1:27:25
  The audio cue gives you all the information you need.
• 1:27:28
  If you're playing Mega Man and you're charging up your shot,
• 1:27:31
  it's not just like the visual cue, it's an audio cue of like
• 1:27:36
  that charge up sound and when it stops, you're like, OK, I'm
• 1:27:38
  ready. Can I have something like that
• 1:27:40
  for like Mayan power spells or something along those lines?
• 1:27:43
  There's a lot of things that, like I put it with Cooldown
• 1:27:47
  Manager because cooldown is dealing with a lot of those
• 1:27:50
  abilities, but in general, the game, it can do a good job.
• 1:27:54
  And I think for encounters, bosses generally have particular
• 1:28:00
  lines for particular spells and that has helped.
• 1:28:04
  But every so often you'll get like a mad beast that doesn't
• 1:28:08
  say a word. And so I need to know what
• 1:28:09
  Screech means what? So there's still some work that
• 1:28:13
  can't that needs to be done. Sean, you have the last word on
• 1:28:20
  encounter warnings. Yeah, it's going to sound a lot
• 1:28:24
  like things that I wanted for the CC manager and for
• 1:28:27
  nameplates, but it's the ability to turn on and off warnings
• 1:28:33
  based on role. Right now, the way the encounter
• 1:28:36
  warnings are set is, and this includes DBM and Bigwigs.
• 1:28:41
  There is no way for them to turn off what you get.
• 1:28:44
  You get all of it. So whatever Blizzard has decided
• 1:28:48
  goes in that encounter warnings, it goes to every player.
• 1:28:53
  So even if there's a mechanic that you're like, I'm ADPS, I
• 1:28:55
  don't have to worry about this is the healer thing.
• 1:28:57
  Doesn't matter. That's on your encounter
• 1:28:59
  warnings. I'm a tank and I don't care
• 1:29:01
  about DPS things. Doesn't matter.
• 1:29:03
  That's on your encounter warnings.
• 1:29:04
  I would like to be able to to set which warnings I want and
• 1:29:08
  don't want to see specifically. It may be character level, but
• 1:29:11
  at a role level at the very least, so that I don't have to
• 1:29:15
  be cluttered with things that I don't need.
• 1:29:17
  We don't need sensory overload. A friend of mine made a joke
• 1:29:21
  that maybe that's their plan to make us not want to use these.
• 1:29:24
  So just give us hit us with the fire hose and say, oh, you want
• 1:29:27
  warnings? Here you go.
• 1:29:28
  Here's all the warnings. Obviously not the case.
• 1:29:30
  That's not what they're doing. But yeah, I would like to be the
• 1:29:34
  ability to turn on and off the ones I do and don't want.
• 1:29:37
  I want control. I I understand it.
• 1:29:42
  The the the thing about Warcraft is with 13 classes and was it 39
• 1:29:47
  specs or 42 specs? I think it's 39 specs and people
• 1:29:53
  with varying degrees of ability and cognitive load and just
• 1:30:00
  everything, accessibility features.
• 1:30:03
  There's no answer that's got. Blizzard's not going to be able
• 1:30:06
  to give us an out-of-the-box thing that works for everyone.
• 1:30:08
  You might be able to serve a large portion of the population,
• 1:30:11
  but there's going to be so many of us who need things just
• 1:30:14
  slightly different and all you have to do is let us turn things
• 1:30:16
  on and off. That's it.
• 1:30:18
  Just give us the option, throw in the dungeon journal like
• 1:30:21
  Manny said, I think that's a great idea.
• 1:30:22
  That is a super elegant way to solve how to set these up, But
• 1:30:27
  we need to be able to do that like otherwise it's, it's going
• 1:30:31
  to be sensory overload. And, and, and we like, we're,
• 1:30:34
  we're framing this as, Hey, this is the stuff we want.
• 1:30:37
  I want to be super clear. If midnight launches without
• 1:30:41
  some of these functionalities that we've discussed in the last
• 1:30:44
  15 minutes, Pve is going to be really, really rough for a lot
• 1:30:49
  of people. Like exceptionally rough.
• 1:30:52
  So there needs to be either a fix from Blizzard for these or
• 1:30:56
  they need to open up enough of the API that add on devs can do
• 1:31:01
  what add on devs have done for 20 years and that's filled the
• 1:31:04
  gaps. Well, I hope you guys like these
• 1:31:10
  suggestions. If you have suggestions of your
• 1:31:11
  own, please jump into the discord bit dot LY slash fast
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  discord and we will hear from you.
• 1:31:18
  Until next time, though, may all your hits be crits.