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7/27/26: U.S. Munitions Run Low In War, Houthis Pressure Saudi Oil, Ukraine Strikes Iran Tanker · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: everybody today. What do we have, Crystal, indeed we do.
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  Speaker 2: Trump backs off, at least for now. His threats against
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  Speaker 2: Iran as Neo CON's push for all out war more
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  Speaker 2: signs that the oil market is totally and completely screwed
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  Speaker 2: this time because of the entry of the Huthis into
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  Speaker 3: ahead and start with Iran. As Crystal said, all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, everybody in Washington just woke up to stockpiles.
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  Speaker 3: Not news to anybody who's been watching this show, but
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  Speaker 3: of course mainstream media and all those people finally paying attention.
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  Speaker 3: After many reports came out over the weekend, there have
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  Speaker 3: been now three successive nights of no strikes on Iran.
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  Speaker 3: There was apparently a major oval office or a situation
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  Speaker 3: room confrontation in which the Vice President and the General
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  Speaker 3: Chief Chairman of the Joint Che's Staff, General Dan Kine,
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  Speaker 3: advised that critical munitions and stockpiles of interceptors in particular,
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  Speaker 3: are running. Solow rationing was now in effect could explain
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  Speaker 3: why many of those US forces were killed, and also
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  Speaker 3: that if we were to reignite major combat operations, that
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  Speaker 3: it would be even more critical, and that we could
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  Speaker 3: potentially completely wipe out the entire stockpile that is used
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  Speaker 3: in or held in reserve for other potential conflicts. Here
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  Speaker 3: is Mike Waltz, the United States you ambassador to the
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  Speaker 3: United Nations, is being pressed about this. The former National
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  Speaker 3: Security Advisor He admits the stockpile issue, but also says
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  Speaker 3: anybody who leaked that should go to jail.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. You've raised assets. I want to
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  Speaker 1: ask you about the assets.
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  Speaker 4: NBC News is reporting the Pentagon is actually rationing some
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  Speaker 4: defense weaponry amid diminishing supplies. Is America backing away from
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  Speaker 4: a larger military attack because its military stockpile has been depleted?
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  Speaker 5: Well, look, we have to take a step back here
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  Speaker 5: in that a lot of stockpiles were depleted, not only
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  Speaker 5: from what we gave Ukraine over the last however many years,
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  Speaker 5: four or five years, and the administration inherited the Secretary
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  Speaker 5: Secretary Headseth inherited a depleted situation from not only Ukraine,
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  Speaker 5: but also the ongoing fight with the hu Thi's under
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  Speaker 5: the Biden administration and a depleted military under the Biden administration.
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  Speaker 5: So they have decided one they're going to new types
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  Speaker 5: of munitions, cheaper munitions, new technologies, but also with these
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  Speaker 5: new defense budgets, rebuilding our great military.
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  Speaker 1: However, I want to be clear.
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  Speaker 4: I want to acknowledge their deplete I want to be
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  Speaker 4: this moment.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be crystal clear.
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  Speaker 5: The US military and I've verified this every which way,
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  Speaker 5: has everything that it needs to conduct this campaign as
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  Speaker 5: effectively as it.
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  Speaker 1: Needs to be.
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  Speaker 5: And I have to tell you that people that are
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  Speaker 5: leaking this nonsense deserve to be in jail.
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  Speaker 1: A lot going on there. Oh, it's all Biden's fault.
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  Speaker 3: Blame Biden plenty on this show, talked a lot about
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  Speaker 3: it over the last five years about stockpiles. But Biden
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  Speaker 3: is not the person who fired twenty five percent of
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  Speaker 3: the entire sad stockpiles.
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  Speaker 2: Biden's fault. But also, there's no problem.
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  Speaker 1: It's Biden's fault. There's no problem, There's no problem. And
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  Speaker 1: I have the stat in front of me this.
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  Speaker 3: I put this out on day two of the war,
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  Speaker 3: which is in the twelve day War, the Operation Midnight Hammer,
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  Speaker 3: the United States fired twenty five percent of the entire
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  Speaker 3: global stockpile of thats just in twelve days, mostly to
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  Speaker 3: defend ISRA. By the way, so who even wants to
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  Speaker 3: know what the number is today? I wouldn't be surprised
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  Speaker 3: if it was down to seventy five percent, not to
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  Speaker 3: even mention all the patriots, all these other type of systems.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it is a full fledged disaster as of now,
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  Speaker 3: which explains why there was rationing in place, potentially why
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  Speaker 3: those service members were killed, and why many of the
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  Speaker 3: bases have basically been abandoned as confirmed by satellite imagery
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  Speaker 3: A two.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put this up here on the screen.
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  Speaker 3: Let's spend a lot of time here because there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of Washington games that are happening. So inside this
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  Speaker 3: story is from Barack Revive. The headline may actually give
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  Speaker 3: a mistaken impression. They say the top US military commander
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  Speaker 3: in the Middle East advised halting horror moves bombing. But
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  Speaker 3: to be extremely specific, what he said is that currently,
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  Speaker 3: what had been happening, let's say in the last thirteen
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  Speaker 3: days or so, was that Trump was exclusively bombing targets
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  Speaker 3: along the Strait of Hormoz. What Admiral Cooper is saying
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  Speaker 3: here is that the effectiveness of bombing just the target
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  Speaker 3: gets in the strait has now come to a place
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  Speaker 3: where it can no longer be effective, as in, we
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  Speaker 3: have hit everything we can hit.
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  Speaker 1: Now, keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 3: If the admiral is saying we have hit everything that
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  Speaker 3: we can hit along the Strait of Hormoves and Iran
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  Speaker 3: is still able to fire, that means already it's been
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  Speaker 3: a total military failure because everything is about degrading. No,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's that even of a single person with you know,
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  Speaker 3: a shoulder launched missile or a single small boat is
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  Speaker 3: able to get through. That in and of itself is
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  Speaker 3: enough to cause the insurers to cancel their policies to
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  Speaker 3: disrupt traffic. That's why ultimately a diplomatic solution is the
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  Speaker 3: only solution.
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  Speaker 1: You can listen to the.
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  Speaker 3: Vice President's comments on this very matter on the Joe
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  Speaker 3: Rogan podcast. So that's number one, but number two actually
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  Speaker 3: buried within this and multiple other reports that are coming
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  Speaker 3: out as of this morning, Admiral Cooper is advising that
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  Speaker 3: they should continue to go forward and to bomb twenty
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  Speaker 3: percent of the targets that were left and the target
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  Speaker 3: set from Operation Epic Fury from the major Combat operation earlier.
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  Speaker 3: Admiral Cooper has also said he doesn't have as much
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  Speaker 3: concern about munitions because he is looking at the total
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  Speaker 3: number that is available and saying, well, if I use
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  Speaker 3: all of that, then I'm good. Now that's not his job.
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  Speaker 3: So that's where the Washington game comes in. So let's
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  Speaker 3: put in a three up here on the screen. This
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  Speaker 3: is from the New York Times, and here we're going
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  Speaker 3: to look specifically at comments from General Dan Kine, who's
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  Speaker 3: the chairman of the Joint Jesus Staff. His job is
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  Speaker 3: to not just look at Iran, but also to look
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  Speaker 3: at the entire picture, including China, Russia and Black Swan
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  Speaker 3: event North Korea. So what he says is that privately
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  Speaker 3: that resuming major combat operations was doable, but quote would
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  Speaker 3: dangerously deplete interceptors available, which is responsible not just in
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  Speaker 3: sentcom before the entire service. These comments were apparently both
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  Speaker 3: raised and held significant We're both raised, held and pushed
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  Speaker 3: by the Vice President, who also raised them in the
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  Speaker 3: initial lead up to the war. So to explain again
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  Speaker 3: very clearly, Admiral Cooper is still advocating for the resumption
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  Speaker 3: of major combat operations. I also, you know, just to
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  Speaker 3: read some tea leaves out here, Mark Levin as.
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  Speaker 1: Of this morning, is putting out this quote I heard,
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  Speaker 1: I hear Cooper is raring to go.
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  Speaker 3: But Cain is not the Only reason I'm spending time
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  Speaker 3: on this is that Admiral Cooper, which I've heard now privately,
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  Speaker 3: Tucker Carlston put out tweets. So now I could say
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  Speaker 3: it as well, is that Admiral Cooper has been advised
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  Speaker 3: by Mark Dubowitz over the financial the foundation for the
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  Speaker 3: defensive democracies. He is absolutely taking a lot of counsel
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  Speaker 3: from these neo cons very close apparently with his Israeli counterparts.
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  Speaker 3: He is somebody who you know, quote wants to finish
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  Speaker 3: the job because if he doesn't, or to resume major
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  Speaker 3: combat operations, he will go down as the commander of
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  Speaker 3: one of the worst military defeats in modern history, you know,
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  Speaker 3: from the United States. So he doesn't he doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: to look at the big picture, but from the big
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  Speaker 3: picture here in Washington, looking at the stockpiles and others.
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  Speaker 3: I went back and checked dan Kine from this report
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  Speaker 3: and then none of this has been denied. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: is the only chairman of the Joint Chiefs in the
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  Speaker 3: last fifteen years to advise against military action.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know how insane that is?
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  Speaker 3: There is only one chairman in the last twenty five
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  Speaker 3: years who has warned against military action. That was General
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  Speaker 3: Martin Dempsey in twenty thirteen. He was right by the
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  Speaker 3: way saying that we shouldn't go when we should bomb Syria,
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  Speaker 3: and that it would lead to a prolonged military disaster.
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  Speaker 3: So that is how extraordinary the current situation when the
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  Speaker 3: general is like, no, we can't do this, sir, please
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  Speaker 3: please don't make us do this. And reportedly he said
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  Speaker 3: something to this effect before the war even began, so
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  Speaker 3: they knew, they knew that this would be really bad.
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  Speaker 3: I also really want to caution people about this pause.
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  Speaker 3: It could definite right now, there's a lot of deliberation.
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  Speaker 3: And guess who's coming to town today BB All right,
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  Speaker 3: so I wouldn't bet against him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is all well, and Zelensky is coming later
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  Speaker 2: and we'll get to that. And how he also was
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  Speaker 2: pushing an aggressive posture here as well well, has found
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  Speaker 2: it to be advantageous for himself too. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: already know the truth of the matter. NBC News has
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  Speaker 2: a scoop from a couple of days ago why the
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  Speaker 2: US military is letting some Iranian projectiles through its defenses.
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  Speaker 2: We are already rationing, rationing this munition supply because we
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  Speaker 2: do not have enough to protect everywhere, so we're prioritizing. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: if this has headed and it could cause service member
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  Speaker 2: loss of life, then maybe that one we're going to
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  Speaker 2: try to stop. But if it's going to hit one
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  Speaker 2: of our bases or one of these radars that's really
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  Speaker 2: important going forward, then we're going to let it through.
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  Speaker 2: We're already in that place. It's just insane to me,
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  Speaker 2: like one point five trillion dollars that they're pushing for
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  Speaker 2: the military, one trillion that we already spend, all these
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  Speaker 2: extra billions that they've already sent for the Iran war,
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  Speaker 2: and we are out of We are running so low
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  Speaker 2: on critical stockpiles this early into the war. It is
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  Speaker 2: completely insane.
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  Speaker 3: Just to give you an example, Yeah, the New York
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  Speaker 3: Times in April head of reported twelve hundred Patriot receptors
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  Speaker 3: were fired. They're four million knowledge a piece's four point
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  Speaker 3: eight billion. That was in April, So now is today?
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  Speaker 3: Is what July twenty seven? What's the number now?
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  Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing too, is, you know, some
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  Speaker 2: of the logic and the strategy of Iran has really
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  Speaker 2: borne out here, both in terms of look, their strategy
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  Speaker 2: is to wag a sound right to push us to
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  Speaker 2: the edge of a global economic cliff. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about that more in the next block. With the
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  Speaker 2: oil market and more the clock ticks, the more are
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  Speaker 2: strategic petroleum reserve dwindles. Now we've got the houthis entering
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  Speaker 2: the Ferra, putting pressure further pressure. They're closing off Saudi
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  Speaker 2: oil exports as well, so they're you know, they are
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  Speaker 2: succeeding on that front. The longer time goes on. And
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  Speaker 2: then the munitions math that we've been talking about the
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  Speaker 2: whole time. You know, not only is what they their
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  Speaker 2: their drones and their ballistic missiles much cheaper, but they
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  Speaker 2: can spin them up much more quickly. They have an
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  Speaker 2: actually functional defense industrial base. And so in the meantime,
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  Speaker 2: while we've been messing around with oh we'll do the MoU,
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  Speaker 2: we want to do the MoU, We're going to try
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  Speaker 2: to do this other thing, the straight up her moves
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  Speaker 2: and create our own pathway and undercut the MoU, and
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  Speaker 2: oh we're going to bomb you. All this time that's
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  Speaker 2: going by, well, the Iranians are digging out their missile cities.
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  Speaker 2: They're spinning out more missile and drone production. They're doing
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  Speaker 2: that at a rapid clip. What are we doing. We're
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  Speaker 2: revving up to produce another Patriot missile like next year,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's not comparable. So the time
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  Speaker 2: wasting portion of this has really been to their advantage,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that was something that was a question
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  Speaker 2: mark in the beginning. I know doctor Parcy was kind
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  Speaker 2: of skeptical that maybe they had given up some of
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  Speaker 2: their leverage, and one of the arguments that the Iranians
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  Speaker 2: were making was, no, we think time is on our side.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other piece of this is they're looking
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  Speaker 2: very closely at the American political horizon. They see, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you've got midterms in November, and we want to make
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  Speaker 2: this as your life political hell in the US because
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  Speaker 2: we know you don't have political support for this war.
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  Speaker 2: We know that you're going to pay at the ballot box,
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  Speaker 2: and so we want you to pay on the political, economic,
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  Speaker 2: and military Harry front. So far that strategy has been
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  Speaker 2: very successful.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's, no questions, very similar to
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  Speaker 3: how the North Vietnamese would play things back during that
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  Speaker 3: war as well. Let's put just to give everybody an
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  Speaker 3: update on the potential for talks and all of that,
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  Speaker 3: let's put this up here on the screen. This is
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  Speaker 3: from Iranian media, which quotes their Foreign Ministry spokesperson specifically
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  Speaker 3: talking after Omani negotiators were in Tehran over the last
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  Speaker 3: two days. Now, this actually was part of the excuse
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  Speaker 3: as to why Washington was not bombing iran Is because
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  Speaker 3: these Omani negotiators were actually on the ground in Tehran
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  Speaker 3: and they were having all of these discussions, specifically about
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  Speaker 3: horror Mouze security. So nobody knows the contours of alleged
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  Speaker 3: deal which is on the table. Trump has supposedly been
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  Speaker 3: pushing the negotiators. Jared Kushner and Steve Wikoff and the
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  Speaker 3: Vice presidents continue their channels open with Arachi and with Golibov.
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  Speaker 3: But what they say here is that the Iranians are
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  Speaker 3: calling the negotiations productive. He confirmed that the operational status
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  Speaker 3: and transit conditions of the Strategic Waterway remain unchanged. Remember
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  Speaker 3: to them, that means that they control the Strait of
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  Speaker 3: horm moves. They had some discussion specifically about the Strait
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  Speaker 3: of Hormons. But the Iranian readout of this negotiation does
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  Speaker 3: not float any longer memorandum of understanding with the United States.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't really float anything about the nuclear issue. This
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  Speaker 3: is purely about what is happening in Horrormones. I also
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  Speaker 3: want to give something from what tree to Parsi put
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  Speaker 3: out this morning, which I thought was really smart and
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't even thought about this. What he was saying
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: was that that Saudi nuclear deal is actually what happened
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  Speaker 3: and played out with that is actually bolstering Tehran's view
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  Speaker 3: of Washington, as in Saudi Arabia thought they had a
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: civilian nuclear deal done and dusted with the United States.
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  Speaker 3: It was reported it was a quasi announced, and then
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  Speaker 3: Trump came out and was like, by the way, none
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  Speaker 3: of this is going to happen unless they signed the
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  Speaker 3: Abraham Accords. And they were like, uh, literally, none of
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  Speaker 3: that was the deal. We've been talking about this for
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  Speaker 3: six months. So the fact that he could do a
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  Speaker 3: deal on a nuclear issue with an alleged ally in
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  Speaker 3: this entire war and then backtrack on the very first
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  Speaker 3: day that he gets any sort of like any sort
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  Speaker 3: of pushback in Washington from the neocons who were in Congress,
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  Speaker 3: well that alone was evidence for them that they were like,
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  Speaker 3: you can't do a deal with this man, so we
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  Speaker 3: just had to punish and punish, and punish and punish.
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  Speaker 3: I actually thought that was a very interesting view and
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  Speaker 3: it just bolsters with Trump. Now, just think about how
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  Speaker 3: many of these agreements. You know, the Twelve Day War,
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  Speaker 3: we bombed them literally under the cover of negotiations, which
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  Speaker 3: is one of the most disgraceful acts of any modern president.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I just remember there were people conservatives were
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  Speaker 3: praising him and they were like, oh, this is like
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  Speaker 3: Japan and Pearl Harbor.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, what was that? How did that work
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  Speaker 1: out for Japan?
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  Speaker 3: It was considered one of the most dishonorable acts ever
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  Speaker 3: in the history of warfare. So to think about this
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  Speaker 3: in the context of Iran of Russia, Ukraine, we're unable
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  Speaker 3: to make a deal or you know, trying to force things,
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  Speaker 3: and now the multiple will they won't. Theys Iran really
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  Speaker 3: just has no option but to conclude we can't do
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  Speaker 3: a deal until they have suffered immense amounts of pain,
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  Speaker 3: and that just streams where things are going.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I go back to our interview we
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: did with Professor Morandi and I take him out his word.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: He's like, no one is talking about negotiations here. And
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: we have some evidence for that as well, because there
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: was some sort of a ceasefire proposal past the Iranians
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: via the Iraqi Prime Minister and the Iranians were like, no, yeah,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: we're not doing this. He said that if they get
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: to the place that they would like to go forward
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: with negotiations, first of all, it's going to be it's
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: not going to be going back to the original MoU
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: It's going to require a lot more upfront from the US,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: a lot more explicit commitments around the around the straight
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: of Woar moves. And also it's not just going to
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: include a ceasefire and Lebanon. It's also going to include Yemen,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: and it's going to include Gaza. So the price has
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: gone up through our own foolishness here. But you know,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: you were talking about how the guy he was in
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: charge of the Middle East, Cooper, how he has this
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: narrow view of we got to do whatever we can
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: to rescue this situation. His incentives are basically Trump's incentives
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: because Trump is in that same place, I got to
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: do whatever I can to rescue this situation. Even though
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: from a national and global perspective you would think, dude,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: cut your losses, this is only going to get worse
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: for you over time. He is looking this like the
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: gambler who is down, you know, ten thousand dollars and
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the mortgage is on the line or whatever, and you
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: got to just put more in because it's so catastrophic
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: to walk away at this point. And yes, it may
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: get more catastrophic, but you're holding on to that tiny
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: chance that maybe if I, maybe if I bomb carg Island,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: maybe if I bomb Pickaxe Mountain, maybe if I do
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: some sort of a ground invasion, maybe I can salvage
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: this situation. Because to walk away at this point is
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: going to be disastrous for Trump. Like there is just
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: no denying that there is a good outcome, a good
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: negotiated outcome on the table for him. He would have
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to take some serious lumps and acknowledge defeat de facto.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Not that he would say it verbally, but everyone would
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: see the riding on the wall. So that's the situation
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: that we continue to be in, which is why you know,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: even though yes, the bombing is stopped temporarily, I'm very
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: skeptical of this possibility of new negotiations because I don't
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: think that the landscape for Trump has really shifted. He
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: is not going to be willing to accept what the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Iranians are willing to give at this point, and with
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: every one of his actions, he has further undermined the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: possibility of the Iranians coming into any negotiations with any
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: sort of trust. And the Saudi deal, you know, being
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: undercut immediately is just the latest example of that.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: What we are right now is no piece, no war,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: forever war. I mean, that's it's Afghanistan.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: This is with oil clock ticking on, loiloble economy even now.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I mean this is where these oil markets they're delusional, Like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: you know, you had three days of pause bombing. It
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: goes from one hundred to eighty six as of this morning.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: So gas will come back under four dollars a gallon.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Just wait and watch the white I'll be like, oh see,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: thanks to President Trump, gas is three ninety nine. But
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: you know, freedom fuel will be back to three p
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: forty seven by next week if we don't bomb in
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: the interims. So, you know, the oil people still seem
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: to think like, oh, this presage is something they do
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: not get it, like at this point there is I mean,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I say there's a ticking clock, and yet I've been
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: saying that for months.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's more slack in the system. You would think
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: eventually things have to you know, collide. Trump is also
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: just like one of the luckiest people alive. We were
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: talking about hurricanes, h apparently, like we're in this particular
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: El Nino cycle which will diminish hurricanes, and I was like,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: you know, the one time where hurricane I'm not saying
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I wish a hurricane, but I was like, could actually
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: force the geopolitical events in the direction that.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I wanted to go. I'm like, oh, okay, all right,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: apparently that's not going to happen.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, so lucky with I mean, China is.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, buying my story isn't.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, why we haven't hit the wall in terms of
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: oil and in terms of gas prices because they were
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: just all right, we'll drastically reduce consumption in a way
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: that people didn't even think as possible. And you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: apparently they've increased their imports somewhat but still have curtailed significantly.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So so yeah, I mean, we have been saying the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: clock is sticking and so far has not gone to
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: where you would rationally think that it would be. Is
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: you know, the reason that I think we may be
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: closer to the edge than we were previously is just
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the amount of time that's gone by the fact that
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the spr is so low, and the fact that Trump
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: himself when he signed the MoU was like, I don't
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: want to be Herbert Hoover and it's going to be
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: a global catastrophe if we don't sign a deal. I
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: think he probably, you know, I think that probably was
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the incentive that moved him in that direction. So those
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: dynamics still hold.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's let's take a listen now to Mike Walls.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: By the way, was the only administration officials which is.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Which is Yeah, that is very interesting because he is
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: very low level. He doesn't do a good job in
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: these situations. He got demoted from whatever he was supposed
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: to be originally to this UN ambassador position. Marco Ruby
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: is not shown his face. Jade Vance just sat a baby,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: so he spent time with the baby. And this is
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the guy that you've.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Got Mike Wells IQ of approximately fifty here defending the
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Iran warm also not saying refusing to commit that we
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: will be out by twenty twenty six. Let's take a listen.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: A lot of people are very interested in the timeline
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: of this because President Trump had initially said that this
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: conflict would last for a matter of weeks, five to
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: six weeks. He said, we are now at the five
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: month mark. Will this war be over by the new year?
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: Well, first, this war has been going on for forty
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: seven years. These attacks on Americans not in this of course,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: not necessarily this intensity.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: But at some level, do.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: You anticipate this conflict will be concluded by the new year?
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm not going to put some kind of timeline
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: on it. The President has all options on the table,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: and he is exercising both diplomatic, economic, and military to
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: achieve a very clear strategic game.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And that's what's different.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: A few days, few weeks, few months, few years, been
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: here before, seen the movie.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: It's not very good. Let's go to the next one.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: This was from Trump.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: He posted this yesterday strike on carg Ai. But I
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: think he posted like fifty Ai memes yesterday. If you
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: want to go and take a scroll of a.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Long mental illness, that's what that is.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: And yeah, strike on carg at the very same time
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: that we're not even bombing. We also just want to
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: just give you all a little taste of the rhetoric
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: which we can also see from a lot of the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: cheerleaders here of the war. Here is Ben Shapiro assuring
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the president we we and we truly wonder Ben who
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: we is in this sentence, are okay with American casualties.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. I get why people are confused
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and upset.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: It feels like things are stalemated, that they're getting broader
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: and more difficult.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Why.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Well, because what the American people want is victory. There's
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: this bizarre notion in four policy that the American people
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: are deeply worried about the immediate cost of war to
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: the enemy, That the American people that we can't handle
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: the ugliness of war for even a day, that every
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: conflict has to be totally antiseptic. And here I'm not
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: even talking about the American willingness to undergo casualties. No
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: one in America wants American casualties. It's tragedy and a horror.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: We do understand that war does come along with casualties,
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: and we are willing to undergo those casualties in pursuit
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: of an end and a victory for America. But as
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: far as the idea that, for example, America, we can't
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: hit Cargo Island because the Iranian people would then be
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: deprived of oil resources. The American people are, i should say,
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: not particularly concerned about that. We are far more concerned
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: with why we're there not winning. I think though we
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: actually ought to do is say an I for everything,
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Like you touch a ship in the Strait of Hormuz
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: and we kill the head of the IERGC, we Killkhlibaf,
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: we kill your entire leadership class. Again, we destroy South
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Pars and we strike hard one drone and that's what happens.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: That is the way you win in the middle. By
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: the way, it's the way you win generally. We are
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: okay with it. I mean, this is this is what
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: they have come to. We're gonna show you a clip
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: here in a second.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Mark Tiessen, who by the way, huge cheerleader of the war,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: very important figure in the war, who has been on
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Fox News every single day urging action, used to it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yesterday he literally slipped up and said, President Boo Trump,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: as in his old boss George W. Bush, it's like
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: a joke. It's like a sick joke that is being placed.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: This is lot.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: These psychos have to be drummed out of the public
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: square when I mean all the same people are cheerleading
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: for the Iraq War right back in the driver's sept
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: for this freaking things. Absolutely sick. I'm with you, truth
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: and recon we genuinely, genuinely, after all this is over.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: But Wisha, hero, there is so much there. So first
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: of all, oh, we are willing to accept American Who
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: are you talking about?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Who's we you are?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Why don't you go sign up? Go ahead, go over
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the Middle East? They need recruits. I'm sure they'd love
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to have you over there. So that's a number one.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Number two, he says this thing about like, oh, Americans
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: don't really care if the you know, if our enemy
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: suffers losses. I haven't heard anyone talking about, you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: oh they'll be deprived of oil and gas if we
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Bombcark Island. But I have heard a lot of Americans
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: who are utterly disgusted with the fact that we triple
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: tapped a little girls' school. Okay, I think we do
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: have actually some morals around this who are disgusted with
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the fact that now it's just totally a daily occurrence
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: that Trump floats new war crimes. Let me bomb the bridges,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: let me bomb the civilian infrastructure. Yeah, I think people
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: are disgusted with that, and they are thoroughly disgusted with
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: what we've been complicit in in Gaza, seeing the largest
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: population of child amputees, seeing entire cities that are now
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: no more remember when all lives were on rafa. Look
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: at how much the politics on Israel have changed because
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: of the horror of what we did with our tax dollars. So, actually, Ben,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: maybe you don't care about those things, maybe you don't
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: have a moral core, but yes, I do think the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: American people are deeply concerned with some sense of morality.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: They would like to preserve some image of America being
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a potentially positive force in the world, and through this
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: president and the last one that has been effectively taken
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: off of the table. It is so disgusting and so
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: and then the final thing he says there, oh, we
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: should kill their leadership class again.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, how many how many
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: assassinations that last time?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Guess what you traded one supreme leader who had a
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: fatwa against nuclear weapons for one who reportedly is much
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: more open to it. So congratulations on that. But his
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: strategy is the Israeli strategy. If you murder Goliboff, which
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: we already tried to do. By the way, we tried
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: to murder all these people. Who are you going to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: negotiate with That then commits you to the war. It
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: means that there is no choice left on that there
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: is no negotiated option on the table, which is exactly
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: what he wants. That's what he wants. He wants to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: get anyone reasonable that we could even theoretically have a
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: deal with. He wants them dead. So disgusting, deeply discussed.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: And just the lecturing, the hectoring of the American people
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: for being unwilling.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: To take casualties.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: America is fine with taking casualties if we think it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: worth it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: It just hasn't been worth it since World well too, Yeah,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: genuely think about it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe Korea, I'm not not my opinion.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But most people supported it, at least at the time.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Since then, not really, And like that's the point is
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: everything is built on hectoring, on lecturing, on saying you're
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: not enough of a patriot, and then what they have
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: to do is to shape it so that we are
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the failures and that we can we can. We are
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: the failures, not the leaders who were elected literally on
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: a specific promise of no New Wars.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Like, that's the crazy part about it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: The person who literally ran on a no New Wars platform,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: whose advisors I mean, Jad literally wrote the op ed
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: wym endorsing Trump his best legacy is no New Wars.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Stephen Miller, I mean, I'm pretty sure said Kamala will
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: send your sons to war and would be a neocon,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you know, neo kon warmongering hawk who would start a
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: war with Iran. And then you come around and you
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: do something which honestly is worse than anything Biden is.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I don't even think Liz Chaining all these other psychos
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: would have maybe oh okay, I won't.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Go that off. I wanted to give some people a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: But at the very least, like what we can see
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: here is this grappling and shaping of Fox News to
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: explicitly be a place to lecture the base and to
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: force them to spread it to all of us that
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: any of us who criticize war are unpatriotic, are fools,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: that we are selfish for not wanting to pay four
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: dollars in gasoline. You know, the vice president is like
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: their chief opponent. But there's plenty more lecturing going on,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: If you look at the end result of our Libya
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: policy after Gaddafi was killed lybya basically turned into a
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: failed state. You had a refugee crisis, You had a
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: lot of violence, a lot of terrorism come from that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: How is it in the United States's interest to have
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: ninety four million desperate people flooding into Europe, flooding into
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: the United States to have, you know, sort of the
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: terrorists infrastructure that can get established when you fan tear
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: us all over the world. We've run this experiment before.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: And Jadvance keeps putting up these straw men. He says, well,
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: the people who want President Trump to go back to war,
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: they want to send one hundred and fifty thousand troops,
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: and nobody's saying that. Nobody is saying that at all.
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: You don't have to turn to tear down straw man.
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: We've liberated four hundred million people during the Cold War
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: without a single boot on the ground.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Nobody is saying that. No, Mark, you actually are saying that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: And the reason why is what's your plan? When you
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: hear Shapiro, if that's your plan, that's actually the Libya
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: model that literally is the Libya model. If you want
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: to listen to Mark to the ultimate end state of
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: what he's actually advocating for regime change and continue dropping.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: It is sacrificing the full might of the American Empire
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: literally for what so that we can open a strategic
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: waterway which was open on the.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Day that the war was launched. It is absolute madness.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: And then pairrot here with sid Rosenberg, another you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: ultra zionist neocon again on the Fox News air waves
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: delivering this lecture.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Take a listen.
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: It is inevitable that President Trump is going to have
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: to do what he doesn't want to do, which is
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: going there with this massive, all out attack. There's no
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: other way to stop this. There's another way to win
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: this war. So again, he's trying to do the best
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: he count. He's a very nice man. I love President Trump.
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: He doesn't want people to die, he really doesn't. Okay,
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: he's a nice man. But there's no other way to
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: end this. Once you start this. Midnight Hammer was great
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: at Victoria was great. Once you start this, there needs
• 30:35
  Speaker 9: to be a finish, and the only finish is complete
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: surrendered by the Iranians. I hate to say it, but
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: complete annihilation. Look, I'm not a parent of an army person,
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: a marine person, so I'm very sensitive to that, trust me.
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: But look, we have the army, we have marines for
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: a reason. They're not there to shake your hand at
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: the airport, Rachel, Okay, they're there for a reason.
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: Last night I checked.
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: We don't have a draft in this country. So these
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: courageous men and women know what exist. Actually what they're
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: signing up for. This is war.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: This is war. That argument really galls me. They signed up,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: they knew what was on the line. Maybe some of them,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: like Isabella Gonzales or first of all, let's we lets
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: not even talk about the fact that we throw money
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: at like the poorest Americans begging them to join the military.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: So that's one, right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Two is maybe maybe some of them, many of them,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Many of these people joined after well before Trump was president,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: had some level of faith that their lives would not
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: be used, as you know, dice rolled on a table
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: carelessly and foolishly by an American president.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I think maybe that's the latter.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that we should never use them, but
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: I think everybody should be extremely careful in what we
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: use or expend their lives for ultimately, and there's there's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: no there is nothing happening with the war with Iran
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: right now that is worth Isabella Gonzalez's life, who is
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: nineteen years old, or those one hundred and sixty eight
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: mina school growth. Nothing has happened which has worth that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Nobody could say that, And so it's so disgusting when
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: they say that, they're like, oh, they volunteered. It's not
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: even draftees. By the way, this is one of my arguments,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: you know, for a draft.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I mean, I'm sure soccer they all signed
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: up to put their lives on the line for Israel
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: and for Trump to secure some sort of a legacy
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: as a world changing leader. That's they were all willing
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: to die for that cause. I mean, it's just utterly
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: disgusting the way that And this is the problem with
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: our leadership class. One of many problems with our leadership
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: class is they don't care, right, they don't care about
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: these service members. They don't come from their echelon of society.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: So to them, they're completely expendable. If you want a
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: window into how they think about these individuals who sign up. Oftentimes,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: like you said, it's an economic decision that is made.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Here is the reason that they sign up for the military.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Just take a look at the Epstein files and the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: way that they talk about those who they considered to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: be lesser than them. They barely see them as humans,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: if at all. And this guy, by the way, I
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: don't know if it was the same appearance, I think
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: it was or another one. He has the gull to
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: call Zoronmumdanni a terrorist. Meanwhile, a sentence later he's calling
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: for complete annihilation of a run. If you want to
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: understand how screwed up and perverted this man's moral compass. Ultimately,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: is last thing we have here, which is an important
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: one to get to. We mentioned Nanyahu coming to town.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: What is this? I think his eighth.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Visit six still more than any other, more than.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Any other world leader, breaking records here, I'm sure bringing
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: his laundry, dirty laundry in tow He was asked about
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: what he would tell Trump when he meets with him.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to that.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: What can you tell us about any fresh new intelligence
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: that you may have about.
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: That nuclear program that you are about to present President
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: Trump with.
• 33:47
  Speaker 12: Well, first, let me say that Lindsey Graham is a
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: terrible loss. He was such a great friend, such a
• 33:53
  Speaker 12: champion of America and a patriot, and such a champion
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: of the Israeli American alliance. He believed in the benefits
• 34:01
  Speaker 12: that Israel gives to the United States in terms of
• 34:04
  Speaker 12: intel weapons technology, and of course we appreciated very much
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: all the help that we got from the United States.
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: So it was an extraordinary American patriot and we miss
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: him greatly. As far as the nuclear program, we constantly
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: exchange information. Our intel services and yours are working so
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: close together that it's not that I'm going to present
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: new information, but I think it's a good thing to
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: have the opportunity to sit with our good friend President
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: Trump and to hear what he has in mind, because
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: I think in many ways it's his decision.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: So our intel commune, we're constant communication, we're deeply in
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: mesh with one another. And of course they're pushing legislation
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: to make it even more so between the military and
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: intel services. So he's going to come and push whatever
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: his perspective is on why we should go to back
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: to and all out.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Update for everybody.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: It's real Channel twelve Yah who will present Trump with
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: an up to date intelligence on Iran's progress towards a
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: nuclear weapon.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Great, got it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: The ones pushing all the pickax amount.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking two weeks. What do you think that what
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I do? Yeah? What do you think I'm gonna go with?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Two weeks?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I would say that's a pretty safe thing. You've been
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: saying that since like nineteen ninety one, or it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Could be two days, It could be two days.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Dead Sea scrolls actually said Iran is weeks
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: away from But.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: You know, the thing is like at a certain point
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: it will become true because not like because that is
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the direction we push them in, right, right, at some
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: point we keep going in this direction. You know, we
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: murdered the guy who was who was opposed to pursuing
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. We've made it clear you can't negotiate
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: with us. The straight up hor moves is an effective
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to turn four now, but that's not going to last
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: forever because you can build new pipelines and you can
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: use renewable energy, and eventually, over time that diminishes. So
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: what's left if you're Iran and this is an existential
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: threat and you want to preserve your sovereignty doesn't leave
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of other options on the table, since the
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: shaded options seems to be a fool's errand at this point,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: so yeah, at some point, not now, who will be right?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: At some point if we continue to go in this direction.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Not only will he be right, he will be the
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: reason that he is right, which is irony in and
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: of itself. All right, let's get to Saudi Arabia. Let's
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: turn down to Saudi Arabia and the ongoing situation with
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: the Red Sea, which is highly determinative of where this
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: war could go, and the shortage in oil. We do
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: want to kick off though, with Mark Tieson, who we
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: showed a little bit of you earlier in our show
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: where here he says and pleads to the American people,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: if you can't handle four dollars gasoline, then maybe we're
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: just not a superpower anymore.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: That sort of is the good news out there.
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: If we can't handle four dollars oil for a period
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: of months in order to disarm around up a nuclear weapon,
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: we're not a superpower anymore. Yeah, but there are a
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: lot of Americans who their kitchen table issues matter to
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: them more than foreign policy.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: But I wanted to ask.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, easy for Mark to say, I see him a
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: whole foods all the time. I'll say hi next time
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I see you there, Mark, Yeah, Tommy Laren.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: You know, actually people kind of care about this, and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: that's not unreasonable, by the way.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's pretty disgusting.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: See these like think tank people with fake jobs who
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: build their entire Look, I talk for a living, so
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: who am I But I'm not lecturing others on four
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: dollars gasoline.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I'm walking out suck it out the name.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I'm looking out for the for the people who, or
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: try to speak for the people who actually four dollars
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: of gasoline is going to break them financially. And that's
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: why it's just so ridiculous and disgusting, and you to
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: lecture people about that.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: And you know what's crazy saga is I'm thinking back
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: to the beginning of the Ukraine War. After Russia invaded,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Americans were more willing, remember the polling, there were more
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: willing to pay high gas prices for that because they
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: saw it through a moral lens. They're like, this is
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: big country picking on this smaller country. This is illegal,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: it's an invasion, we should stand on the side of Ukraine. Well,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: we've talked plenty about how there was a lot more
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: going on there. We'll talk more about that actually in
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the next block. But there was a moral sentiment behind it,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: and people actually were willing like, Okay, you know what,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I can suck it up for a brief period of time.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I can pay more because this is a just cause.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: It's not that Americans are selfish. They're looking at this
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: and they're going, this is not a just cause we're
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: bombing little girls school, Like, no, I'm not going to
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: pay war at the gas pump for this. I'm completely unwilling.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: And this is exactly the opposite of what you said
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: you were going to do when you were running for
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: president and wanted our votes. So yes, you know what,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: if it was some sort of truly just cause, I
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: think Americans would be willing or to suffer and pay more.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: But they're looking at this and going absolutely not. This
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: is a horror show. And why and just even if
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: you take it his word like so to prevent ran
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: from developing a nuclear weapon, guess what we had the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: JCPOA where you had them in a nuclear deal. Guess
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: what Before this whole we started this whole discussing war,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: we were in negotiations that would have led to an
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: outcome where they were not going to pursue a nuclear weapon.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Now they are much more likely to pursue a nuclear weapon.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: So we're paying four dollars a gas and we're more
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: likely to have a nuclear armed run. That's what we're
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: actually doing.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Let's put the let's just underscore the oil problem, which
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: ultimately will be really what forces everybody's hand.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Let's put this up here on the screen.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: This was huge news which really was under reported in
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: American media. So the top shipping insurers have told brokers
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: they will no longer sell war cargo insurance to any
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia linked ships in the Red Sea following the
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: attacks by Yemen's who the rebels, in a further risk
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: to exports from the region. Several of the leading maritime
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: marine war insurers at Lloyd's of London said they would
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: exclude vessels quote with any Saudi touch points from coverage,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: including ships traveling from under other flags that have made
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: pass calls at Saudi ports. This is titanic news in
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: the oil market because, as we have shown, people previously,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: it's not the straight of horror moves that get shut
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: down or opened by America or by Iran to a
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: certain extent, it's the insurance companies on whether they're going
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: to be allowed to remember, in the early days of
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: the war, Trump actually created this wartime insurance board which
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: would enable these ships to go through the Strait of
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Horn Mouz with an insurance contract, kind of an insurer
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: as last resort that does not yet exist in the
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Red Sea. It also shows that the hooty threat to
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: target any vessel which docks at a Saudi port and
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: tries to go through the Bab al Mandeb strait is
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: fair game. And obviously now because they have shot at
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: several vessels coming through the Red Sea that they are
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: able to just tell the insurre effectively signal to the
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: insurers they have this to turn capability. The insurers cancel it,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: which means very little oil from Saudi Arabia will be
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: able to flow through. Why does this matter? Maps are
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: actually important. If you're just listening, I'm gonna do my
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: best to describe this. Let's put this up here on
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: the screen. And this shows from the Wall Street Journal,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia's vast oil supplies now increasingly depend on a
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: single exit. So as they show you turmoil and straight
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: of Hormoves in the red seat, means the Kingdom and
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: wood and world energy markets are relying heavily on the
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Suez Canal. We've talked about this before, but I actually
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: think this map does a really good job of just
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: showing the various choke points for Saudi Arabia. They have
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: the Yanbu Terminal, which they previously had been able to
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: export oil through the Red Sea that's shutdown.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: They also had been.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Able previously to export through the Strait of Hormuz, so
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Hormus was their number one lifeline. During the war, they
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: shifted everything via the East West Pipeline to Yanbu to
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: get the oil out of the Red Sea. That's the
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: blue line for those who are watching now, they have
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: to rely on this alternative route to move oil through
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the Suez Canal through the Mediterranean Sea around the Cape
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: of Good Hope in this alternative route to China and
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: to the rest of the world, or to various other buyers.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: This is a huge problem for two reasons. As you
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: have said multiple times, Crystal, the very large what is
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: it the vlccs like the very.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Law, I forget exactly what it stands for.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: But that type of ship is not going to move
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: through the Suez Canal, so already that's a big problem.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: You also have this Siu Men pipeline, which is what
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: they're able to move oil through, but that pipeline has
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: a much more limited capacity, so already you're down to
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: basically a single point of failure. So both on their
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: production side and on their export side, they are being squeezed. Actually,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: right as we're recording the show, Saudi Arabia just fired
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: multiple interceptors after attacks from drones came via Iraqi militias
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: which are linked to Iran at the Aramco facility, which
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: produces the vast majority of Saudi oil. So their economy
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: is in a serious, serious problem. Second to that is
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: that you have seen now that the choke on Saudi
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Arabia was not able to be fully effective with horror
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: moves because they had that lifeline through the Red Sea,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: but with both now closed off, relying both on this
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: pipeline or the sus Canal, they really are in a
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: situation where they're going to have to shut in oil
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and take serious damage to their infrastructure on top of
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: what's going on with these drone strikes that are happening
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: literally right now as we speak, and that alone accounts
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: for what I'm four or five percent of the entire
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: global oil supply, not to mention the UAE, Kuwait and Kutar,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: all of which continue to either be shut down or
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: dramatically lessened to where it was previously. Remember in the
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: early days of the war, Kuwait did not export one
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: single barrel of oil for thirty days. That's like three
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: to four percent alone of the entire global oil supply.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: And we have Ukraine to mention Russian capacity. You have
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: yan Bu and this other oil infrastructure in addition to
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Aramco which is getting hit that is very vulnerable to
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: future attacks. So they're tightening the screws, you know, bit
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: by bit by bit. The introduction of the huthis into
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: this obviously extremely significant. The Iraqi militias, we don't talk
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: that much about them, but in a lot of ways,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: you know, they're viewed. This is what Professor Morandi told us,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: that their view to sort of like their strongest allies
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in the region that you know, have not fully joined
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the fight as well. So It's not like this is
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the maximum that they can do. There are more levers
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: that they can continue to pull to squeeze the global economy.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And just as we're talking, report from Reuter's Iron says Monday,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: still in control of the Strait and not seeking to
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: resume peace talks with the US after Trump halted a
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: two week bombing campaign that his top brass told him
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: had run its course. So, just as we expected and predicted,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the Ranians are saying, you might be interested in negotiations,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: we have no reason to trust you, and we don't
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: think that you're in a place where we're going to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: be able to achieve and secure what we have actually
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: already secured on the battlefield. And one other update is
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: we were talking the last block about the you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: the costs of this war and how casually our foreign
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: policy elite are willing to send service members to die
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: and posture lego. They all signed up for this. The
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Pentagon has just updated their accounting and you now have
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: over six hundred service members who have either been killed
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: or wounded in the context of this war. So that
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: is a you know, that's a large number that we're
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: already at over six hundred who have You know, most
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: of those are alive, thankfully, most of them are wounded,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: not killed. But you know, six hundred and twenty four
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: since we launched this war in Iran on February twenty eighth,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: and that's with us trying to do this standoff bombing campaign.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: You can only imagine what those numbers would be if
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: we're actually, you know, sending in some sort of a
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: ground force and taking greater risks than what we've done
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: thus far.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I can't I mean traumatic brain injury, shrapnel, disfigurement potential.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many long lists of people from
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: the global War on Terror who already had to live
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: with this for a year.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: You can ask them, you know, was it worth it?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Let's put B four up here on the screen.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: This also, as I was saying earlier, there have been
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: multiple now attacks on Saudi oil facilities from these either
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Iran from the hoo Thies or from now from the Iraqi.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: So over the weekend, this was on top of the
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Ramco strikes I just talked about fired missiles and drones
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: at two of their strategic oil facilities actually on the
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Red Sea, both at the Yambu facility, but at another one.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Iran previously had had multiple strikes that were launched at
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia or at Saudi Arabi in facilities. Many of
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: these more recent ones though, are coming from the Iraqis
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: and from who these and so really what you can
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: see is that this new front of the war arguably
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: is you know, the tipping point you know, if you will,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: for a decision that has to be made on whether
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Trump is going to go full on invasion or full
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: on fold Now, you know, with this, with the pipeline
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: and with oil prices and all that where they are,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: it may not necessarily be you know, today tomorrow, but
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: the bleeding and the restriction of supply will of course,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: as we said earlier, eventually catch up to reality.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: In the meantime.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Less put B five up here on the screen. Gas
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: is still four dollars an eleven gallon. That's the national
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: price average. The entire Ascella Corridor sees, you know, pretty
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: high gas prices, and you know non Human mentioned the
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: entire West coast bathed and read there California at five
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: sixty four a gallon. Significant amount of their oil actually
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: coming remember from the Middle East previously, so you could
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: see that they're facing significant pressure and this remains just
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: a general nightmare for the American consumer. Again, as you said, yeah,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I mean I have major problems with the will pay
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: more for Putin's price hike and all that. But we've
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: talked about this previously at the very least, like we
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: didn't invade Ukraine.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: It was an external shock, so Putin's price hike was fake.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I could understand why people fell for it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: There's nothing here.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Trump is one of the only wartime leaders in history
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: in American history to not give a major address before
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: the launching of a Warris White, it was even necessary
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: to this day, I don't think it could actually point
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: to a single address that he's made to be like,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: here's what I'm doing, here's why I'm doing it, Here's
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: what it will cost, here's the cost to you, Here's
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: why it's worth it. I mean, straight comments here and there.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Remember the war was launched in the cover of darkness
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: at two am Eastern Time, with a bizarre video of
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Trump wearing a Maga hat telling Iranians to rise up
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: and take back their country.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: That's how the war was.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: And then he was silent for forty eight forty eight hours,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: if I recall, it didn't even make any public come.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: So that's the comparison really with all of the other Yeah,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: all of.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: The other wars.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Original justification right after he launched it was basically like
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: the protesters and human rights and rise up and take
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: back your country. He'll still go back to that well sometimes,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: even though I mean it's always been utterly preposterous to
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: imagine that Trump cares about the human rights of the
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Iranian people and has some sort of a noble reason
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: for doing this. You know, we're still left in the
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: dark guessing. I think we've got a pretty good outline
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: of what it was, based on reporting from Johnson Swan
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: and Maggie Haberman, among others, of what was going on
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes. High on his own supply from Venezuela,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: fixated on his legacy, you know, as an old man
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: wants to leave his mark on the world, got persuaded
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: that this he could be the one that did what
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: no other president was willing or able to do. Very casualty,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: casually launches this war thinking it's going to be over
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: in a few days time, and then has no plan B.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: When that doesn't work, because anyone who had looked at
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: this at all could tell you that that wasn't going
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: to work. You know, we're going to talk about some
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: of these Lindsay Graham clips. Hopefully we'll be able to
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: get to it today in the show. If not, we'll
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: cover it tomorrow. But one of the clips of Lindsay
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Graham's him saying that he thinks some Iranian cities are
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: going to fall in just a mere few weeks time. Right,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: this is a guy who spent his life thinking about
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: this conflict, and you know, veiling himself of all of
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the military intelligence that he has access to, and talking
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: to Nahu about and all these other people, and he
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: had deluded himself into thinking that Iranian cities were on
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: the verge of collapse. And now here we are, you know, however,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: many months later, and this government is stronger in many
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: ways than it was before we launched the war. So
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: just absolute idiocy and arrogance. Truly blinded by arrogance all
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: the way around.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, all right, let's get to Ukraine.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Turning down to Ukraine, some insane developments again not getting
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: new the coverage that it deserves here in the Western press.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Let's start with the Foreign Minister of Iran, Arachi. Let's
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: put this up here on the screen. He says, quote,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Zelenski has attacked an Iranian commercial vessel, killing a sailor,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: a blatant un charter violation done at Israel's behest to
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: drag Europe into its war. In calls with the EU
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: High Representative Kalas and Foreign Minister Lavrov of Russia, he
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: made clear that what the freeloader in Kiev did cannot
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: go unanswered, cannot go unanswered in all caps. So this
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: highlights a new front here that we have in the
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: World War.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Let's put it up here on the screen.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Iran says that this Ukrainian attack on a vessel in
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: the Caspian Sea killed a sailor. Basically, what has happened
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: is that attack came in the Caspian Sea, which, if
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: you want to take a look at a map, is
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: pretty far from Ukraine and you might have a lot
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: of questions as to what exactly is going on here.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: So Iran's Caspian ports are actually pretty important for trade
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: because of the US blockade whenever it comes to the
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: southern maritime round, so the northern corridor allows Iran to
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: import goods from states around the Caspian Sea and to
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: receive Chinese cargo, which is transported overland by rail through
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Central Asia before it reaches a port on the Caspian
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: coast and then makes it way to Tehran or to
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: any of the other major cities. Arachi called quote for
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: a firm response to the strike from the UN Security
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Council and from the European Union. But the reason why
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: all of this is honestly pretty important is first of all,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: the Ukrainians just killed in Iranian sailor now you could
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: say from Ukraine side, and I'll be fair, there's a
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: lot of Iranian drones which have killed a lot of Ukrainians.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Let's be honest, right, But here in this case, let's
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: just see that Ukraine is a vassal state for the
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: United States and for the European Union. They literally would
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: not exist it wasn't for us. We give them all
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: their weapons, they know, even the stuff they is all.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Paid for basically by the US.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Here, so Ukrainian attack drones financed supported by the United
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: States being used to try and block an Iranian export
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: here in the Caspian Sea. But this is where Ukraine's
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: logic breaks down. They claim ultimately that they're the ones
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: doing the fighting, and the European Union and NATO and
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: the US are the ones that are just supporting them. Well,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: by this logic, Russia could go out and start striking
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: American ships or European Union exports that come from Poland
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: into Ukraine because it's literally being directly used for the
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: war effort. Now, this is why, you know, their general
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: escalatory logic is one of yeah, we're going to fire
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: at them. Largely we all know why because to get
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: on trump good graces to ensnare themselves as part of
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: this you know, grand plan what Neo Khan takeover here
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: in Washington As evidence now by Laura Lumer and apparently
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: all these other people who have changed their mind Ukraine
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: and supporting supporting the Ukrainian war effort. The point remains
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: that Ukraine is doing this because they desperately need two
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: things from Washington. Number One, they need more pack two,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Pack three missiles, patriots and others to be sold from
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: the United States to Ukraine being paid for by European weapons.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Number Two, they need the sanctions build that is currently
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: in the United States Congress to pass. Those two things
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: are now directly linked with the Iran conflict. Iran because
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: we began our story all talking about what the stockpiles
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: massively depleted first for Ukraine then in the Iran War. Well,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Ukraine is still desperate with their handout because the ballistic
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: missiles are the one thing they can't shoot down, but
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: without any without the drones and other things they've been
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: able to shoot down with their own technology, So that
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: means they need us to either pay for them or
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: provide them to them, which you're not going to want
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: to do whenever you have a very limited amount of
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: supply and a supply chain bottom for our defense industrial
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Brace two. They desperately want those Russia sanctions pass, and
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Trump has given them the greatest gift of all by
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: linking the Iran and Russia sanctions together, which provides secondary
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: sanctions and effectively wipe foreign trade with Russia off the map,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: which is a you know, the ultimate economic nuke.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I guess if you were going to call it.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Trump never even wanted to do it previously because he
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: knew if I do this, there's no negotiations that are
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: potential with the Kremlin. That's what these two things are about,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: not to even mention the belligerent behavior of Ukraine, like,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you can support Ukraine and all that if
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: you want, even striking deep into Russia, which I think
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: is nuts, but you know, okay, because they're a nuclear
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: arm power. Here, you're directly inserting yourself into the Iranian
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: conflict in a desperate bid to ingratiate yourself with the
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: neocons of Washington. And by the way, you have your
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: own war to be fighting, which is with Russia. So
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: what are you doing here if not trying to play
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: the game insert yourself in the neocons, you know, good graces,
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: and now inviting potential Iranian response. What is America going
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: to do? We're going to shoot down now Iranian you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: missiles coming into Kiev.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, the entire thing would be insane.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Well, the other possibility is that Ukraine wouldn't have taken
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: these actions without US and NATO acquiescence and encouragement, and
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: so I think I think that's a real possibility too,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: because this is important. You know, these trading roots through
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: the caspiancy are important. I mean, this is basically how
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Iran is able to import things from China. And from Russia,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: obviously two countries very important to them. The world views
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Zelenski is pushing, which does, by the way, have some
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: grounding to it, is that the Ukraine Russia conflict and
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: the Iran US Israel conflict are actually very much linked
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: and they're part of the same conflict. We've talked here
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: about how there is There are definitely some linkage linkages here,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: you know, but Zelenski definitely wants to oversell it. He's
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: constantly pushing, you know, how impactful Russia has been in
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: terms of the Iran War. His claim is that Iran
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: would not be able to target US service members and
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: radars and other important assets and facilities without Russian help.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know whether that is true or not, but
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: he's effectively selling this worldview of the West versus Iran, Russia, China,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: and North Korea as this sort of new axis of evil.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: He also, while yes, Sager is right Ukraine obviously needs
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: us for some things, he's also trying to position himself
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: as you need me for some things. So he's been
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: doing and we haven't covered this on the show, but
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: he's been doing a bunch of deals with the Gulf,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Arab allies in particular doing training. Hey, we've been dealing
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: with these Shahad drones. We know how to do it.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: We've developed technology, selling them that technology in exchange for
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: money and support from those golf Arab allies. So he's
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: been striking all of these cooperation agreements to try to
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: further and mesh himself and make Ukraine invaluable to the US.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: So now not only are we effect using the Ukrainian
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: population in a proxy fight against Russia, but he's saying, hey,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: you can use this too for your proxy, you know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: to as a proxy against Iran. And so that's I
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: think the context that you have to look at. This
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: attack on this Iranian ship is kind of an opening
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: salvo in that. And I would be I would be
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: surprised if they didn't at least have a green light
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: from the US. I don't think that they would be
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: entirely freelancing here. And that is certainly the Iranians view
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: of things, that this is not just Selenski going out
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: on a limb. This is a new US strategy of Okay,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: how do we further up the ancient apply more economic
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: to pressure to Iran. We can use Ukraine to put
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: pressure in the Caspian.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Sea, and you're not wrong.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: It also this is part of why this is so dangerous,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: by trying to link it as some sort of world
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: war that would I mean, let's think about all of
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: the massive risks, or at least right now, it's it's
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: contained to the Middle East. Iran's greatest Iran's great strategy
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: was to regionalize the war, to say, if you attack us,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: we attack everything all of So Ukraine also knows, at
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, no Americans want to die
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: or yes, continue to pay five dollars gasoline so that
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: the eastern Gunboss region can be free. Sorry, I don't care.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: I know a lot of other people don't care either.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: He wants to globalize it into this grant and you'd
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: actually even see it. Let's put C three up here
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: on the screen, just to give you an example. Zelenski's
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: new line is to say, I will instruct our intelligence
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: to share with our partners the information we have received
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: regarding Russia's assistance to the Iranian regime. Since the beginning
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: of July, we have recorded active Russian satellite surveillance of
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: the Gulf States and US military facilities located there. These
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: images that appear in Iran at the same time, there's
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: clear correlation between Russia's satellite imagery of these sites and
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Iran strikes, both before the attacks, in preparation for them,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: and effort to assess the damage inflicted, basically saying, it
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: is Russia that is providing the backbone of the intelligence
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: for the Iran conflict, and it is Iran that is
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: supplying these drones to Russia to attack us. That's why
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: you need to support us in this global conflict. Now,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: the funny thing behind all of this is that Trump
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: is the one downplaying any Russian assistance to Iran. Why
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want to fight with Russia. He already has
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: a bad enough fight on his hands. He put out
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: a long truth social post saying President Putin has assured me,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: and I take him at his word, that he has
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: not provided anything to Iran. President g has also assured me.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Does he know that's bullshit? Of course he knows that.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Of course they are helping Iran. We help Ukraine hit Russia.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: What we're not broughting all the battle damage assessments and
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: all the technology and everything to go all these deep strikes.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: You be a fool not to believe that. So it's
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: very obvious that this is happening. But Zelenski has this
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: ultimate end of linking the two to become massively supplied
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: by the United States and by the Trump administration, which
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: is desperate to try and to defeat Iran. So these
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: things being linked togaein because Lensky knows otherwise. In a vacuum,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: he's screwed, and basically has been since October seventh, whenever
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: he had to compete with Israel for munitions and for resources.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: But one of the tactics that they are now using
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: is to link these two things together by buying off
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: or supporting many of the neo cons here in Washington,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: as evidence now by Laura Lumer in her recent trip
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: to Ukraine, where she has made now a huge pivot,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: and her trip, she says, was financed by donors. Who
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: knows exactly who these people are. Maybe she's speaking from
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: the heart, but she sat down for a very softball
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: interview here with Zelensky.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 11: We saw that about a week or so ago, President Trump,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 11: after the death of Senator Lindsay Graham, tweeted that he
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 11: wants Iron to be added to the Russia sanctions bill,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 11: and by posting that on truth Social it seems like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 11: the President is willing to sign that Russia sanctions bill
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 11: when it reaches his desk.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: So how does that make you feel?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 11: And why do you think the American people should get
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 11: on board with a Russia and Iron joint sanctions bill.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 13: First of all, I think that President exactly understood that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 13: who really doesn't want to stop the war? I think so,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 13: I mean this even not this ways, So he understood
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 13: that we want to stop them. He understood that we
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 13: really want piece that there have been before a lot
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 13: of voices that Ukraine doesn't want to stop, and they said,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 13: of course we want to win.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 14: Yeah, of course it's understandable. We have people and we
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 14: are rioting on our land, etc. But first of all,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 14: we are focusing on the human lives. So if tomorrow
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 14: we can stop the war to make fire, it's better
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 14: than to fight ten twenty years for the victory and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 14: to lose your people. Of course, she's fire is better.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 13: Lindsay really was involved this bill, and he was I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 13: don't remember about two years, one year and a half
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 13: something like this. And I think the idea of President
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 13: Trump to join the sunctions.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 14: Or Iran.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 13: We support this idea. Of course, this is very good idea.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 13: I think that this idea is strong because you can
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 13: join maybe different people in Congress, Senna. You can join
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 13: people who are somebody is supporting Iranian sanctions, somebody is
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 13: a Russian sanction. So this is the idea.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: So he's thrilled, obviously very thrilled about the idea.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: And by the way, after BB has his hand out
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: here in Washington, another leader will come here to Washington
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: the very next day. Let's put it up here on
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: the screen. So just tomorrow, don't worry, Zelenski will be
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: here in Washington in the Oval Office to meet with
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: President Trump literally asking for I mean, you can look at.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: His Twitter timeline.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: All he's begging for Patriot and pack two, pack three missiles,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: all to be able to shoot down ballistic missiles. But
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: of course you are going to have to ration them
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: both at US in terms of the defense industrial base
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: and in terms of the future. But at the very least,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: I think it just highlights one of the major Trump
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: campaign promises was I'm going to bring the war.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: What did he say before I even take office?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: I believe that's what he said, is that I'll have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: it solved before I even take office. It's July twenty seven,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, almost two years into the Trump presidency,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: and the war is escalating and now actually joining the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: war that you started in the first place. So at
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: the very least, it's a total failure.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think part of what is really scary
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: about this is that there is some truth to the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: fact that this is a broader world war at this point,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: and those linkages, you know, they are real in terms
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: of the way that these two conflicts interact. You could
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: even expand it to the Horn of Africa if you
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: want to look at what's happening in Sudan and the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: way UA is backing that as well. And it's why
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: you know, we I mean, it's one of the reasons
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: why we've been very concerned about the launch of this
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: war to begin with, because of the way it could
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: turn into this sort of global conflagration. Sager's been bringing
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: up some of the World War One parallels. I think
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: you can see it here, all these you know, linkages
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: between different allies and different commitments to different countries and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: the way that all comes together. So Celenski very much
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: wants to make reality that conception of this is not
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: just separate wars, but that they are in a sense joined,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: because that serves his interests of pushing us to do
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: more against Russia and support him, makes him more indispensable
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: to this entire fight. And you know, I think is
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: having some success pushing in that time.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, you have to admire it, I guess
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: in a certain sense. You know, he'd a hopeless conflict
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: that just continues to drag on and which he is
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: now escalated and actually convinced everyone that there's no risk.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: But just like what you said earlier about the risk
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: of pushing Iran to a nuclear weapon, we have the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: same risk here with Russia. We're going to economically nuke
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: them with the Russia sanctions link them with Iran. Well,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: then now there's no negotiation ability.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: We're really going to.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Draw the line in the sand over the Dunboss region
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: of Ukraine. Seriously, but that's apparently what it is. What Meanwhile,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: Russia strikes or Ukraine strikes deep into Russia. Everybody in
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Washington and the whole Blue Brigade just wipes it like,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, you know, oh, it's okay, there's no risk.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: They literally have nukes. They can use them anytime that
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: they want.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 13: It's it.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: Look, we saw remember the Wagner coup that almost I mean,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: who knows what could happen in this country. The reality is,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: if that there's any domestic problem in Russia, it will
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: be and Putin is removed, it will be a right
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: wing takeover that is much more likely to escalate the war.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: And Zelenski is also making that more likely with no
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: pressure from Washington or from anybody else, anybody who's more
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: cool headed to just bring the war to an end.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: And speaking of cool headed people who truly loved peace,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: now let's talk.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: About Lindsay grid.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: This is actually quite extraordinary. Apparently, for the last year
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: or so of Lindsay grin life, he was being followed
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: by a documentary filmmaker who captured all of this behind
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: the scenes footage of Lindsey Graham as the Iran war
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: is being launched, even captured a phone conversation that he
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: had with net and Yahoo, all of these sensitive meetings.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: This filmmaker, whose name is Alex Holder, who has quite
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: a long track record of making a lot of different documentaries,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: had access to So we have a few of these
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: clips to share with you because they're quite illustrative. I
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: think we all know Lindsay gram is one of the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: most consequential figures in terms of persuading Trump that the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Iran War would be a good idea. This was a
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: lifelong project for him. He was deeply committed to it.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: I think, deeply, ideologically, principally committed to it. And we
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: have now the live reaction on camera of Lindsey Graham
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: as he's watching Trump announce that the Iran War has
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: been launched, and he has overcome with emotion. Let's take
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: a look at that.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 13: We've done it, almost cried.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, how long have we been pushing this?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: You've been pushing this?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Is here id Trump this morning. Boy's Jack. He's the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: best thing I've ever done.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 13: He loves blowing stuff up.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 15: So you know, there are a lot of people inside
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 15: didn't want to do it. So I've had my challenges
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 15: for President Trump. When he gets into the zone, he listens,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 15: he asks good questions.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 14: You know, no.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Tweeting, he has done nothing.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 16: He hasn't tweeted much at all.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 15: No drama. He's been a great wartime President. I said
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 15: last night that Trump and BB are like Roosevelt and Churchill.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 15: I mean they're the right to guys to confront this.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Evil, like Roosevelt and Churchill, confronting this great evil. He says,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: he almost cried when the announcement was made. There he
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: is laughing, He's delighted, he's so happy. I'm so happy
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: that this president loves in his words, blowing stuff up
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: and talks about how many years have I been pushing
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: this for? I mean, it really says it all there,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't he.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's ryan.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: It's you know, watching this his dad his funerals today,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: So you'll try to be semi muted, I guess, but
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: you know, this man revels in death like he revels
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: on his legacy and in conflict. And I actually think
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: it's his funeral. So let's talk about his legacy, which
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: we did kind of previously. Let's take a look at
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: his actual track record, of his track record and his
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: judgment who he is so unhinged in a phone call
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: here with baby net and Yahoo.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Baby has to talk him down.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 15: Let's take a listen, Hey, baby lindsay, I couldn't. I'm
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 15: just so impressed. Glad to be your friend. I'm going
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 15: to meet with the President this weekend. I'm going down
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 15: to Durrel. I'm gonna try to get him to join
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 15: with y'all in Lebanon to maybe fly some with you.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: Would you like that?
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I get that. I think I think you have
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 10: a point. But I've been thinking about the other side
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 10: of it for a second, concentrated right now on if
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 10: we tell that we're going all the way, but if
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 10: we actually do it, okay and they have no reason
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 10: not to go all the way against.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 15: Okay, okay, later, well I'll uh, okay, Well that's that's
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 15: actually good counsel. I'll put it out there as an idea.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 15: We can always go back to it.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Do you guys see that he's saying, I'm going to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: go down to Durrell. I'm going to get Trump to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: join you in bombing Hasbol And BB's like, oh, we're
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: just bombing Iran right now. I'll deal with Hesbola later.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: But that's how unhinged he was. He was so unhinged
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: he wanted to do a bombing campaign that even Netta
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Yahu didn't And by the way, his prediction is totally
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: wrong in all of this as we're all about to
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: show in a phone call with Jake Sullivan, former national
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: security advisor for Joe Biden. So just to show you
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: all the uniparty in terms of it's big club, We're
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: not in it. Former National security advisor Jake Sullivan, Lindsey
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: Graham like this in terms.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Of their worldview.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: He starts talking about how all these Iranian cities are
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: about to fall, We're going to take over. Like his
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: level of optimism, enthusiasm, and ultimately he died at a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: moment where he didn't get to.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Fully see what how the disaster.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: He unleashed, but he had an idea at least somewhat.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Their predictions in the early days of the war, we
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: can never forget. Iran will rise up. We're going to
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: kill the Iyahtola. This will all be over in a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: matter of days, and America will overwhelming win. We're catastrophically
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: proven incorrect. At the end of the day, they were
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: they got exactly what they wanted. They told us for years,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: No Americans have to die. They've been killing us for
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: forty seven years. The forty seventh President will end the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: forty seven year war with a few bombs and a
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: few aetola and then the entire region lit on fire
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: and it became a total disaster. And at the end
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: he at least knew that somewhat. And that's why the
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: ben Shapiros and the Martestans and all these people in
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: the world have to resort to cheap tricks on Fox
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: News television to cast their spell over these boomers, to
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: continue them to support the war.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: They've got nothing left. Reality has hit them in the face.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and excuse me, Lindsay Graham. I think as someone who,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: in addition to, as you said, reveling in death and mayhem,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: he also has been constitutionally incapable of taking in new information.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Very good at it in terms of the political landscape year,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: but very bad at it in terms of his core ideology.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is someone who never reckoned with what
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: a failure of the Iraq War was, Libya was, Syria was,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Afghanistan was, never moved, was completely unreconstructed, never moved his
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: ideological appetite for war, regime change wars even one inch,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: did not change his worldview and his desire for these
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: endless wars even one bit. So do I think he
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: was at the end of his life looking at this
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: and going, oh, that was a disaster. No, of course,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: he was like the rest of these people, we just
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: got to do more. We gotta go harder, we got
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: to invade, we got to bomb carg Island, we got
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: to join bb and bombing Lebanon, et cetera. The other
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: piece of that clip that is consequential is that he
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: feels like he can just go to Jerral and talk
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: to Trump and get him to do whatever bombing campaign
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: he wants. He seems to have that level kan Hey, babe,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: you want me to do this for you, no problem,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: I'm had it down to Jerral. I'll take care of
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: it for you. I'll get I'll get us to join
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: in your bombing campaign in Lebanon. And I don't think
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: he was crazy to feel that he had that kind
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: of impact. It gives you a window into just how
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: important and consequential this man, this unreconstructed Neocon, ended up
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: being in Trump's presidency. Trump the guy who ran on
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: No New Wars. Sager set up this clip of Lindsey
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Graham talking to Jake Sullivan and you know, talking about
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: how he thinks the war was going to unfold. You
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: could see how you know with our own eyes, as
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: in our lived experience here, how catastrophically wrong he was
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: in every one of these predictions.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 16: Let's take a listen, Democrats and Republicans are okay with
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 16: the treaty. Now you'll never get the treaty into you
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 16: get a pathway for the Palestinians. You just can't get there.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 16: You can't get NBS to recognize Israel. So when I'm
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 16: gonna tell BB, and I just told later. I talked
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 16: to BB this morning. He called me and thanking me
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 16: for everything. He says. He's game. I said, listen, BB
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 16: and Smoltridge and being Avere are not going to deliver.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 16: If you win your election, it's going to be before
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 16: our election. I think the time probably do this is
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 16: Elaine Duck will know pretty quickly whether it BB is
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 16: able to deliver. I'll to be honest with you, I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 16: think about three to four weeks we should have him
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 16: in a spot where they start losing control of some cities.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 16: And what we're trying to do, it's just get a
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 16: few cities to fall in the next month, get the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 16: air is more openly involved tomorrow or by the end
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 16: of the week, and just have almost irreversible.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Momentum, irreversible, incredible. Yeah, andol like three to four weeks,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: some cities are going to and I think this was
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: all there. You know, they had that crazy cockamating scheme
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: with Akamdenojod is going to rise into leadership and Kurds
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: are going to come in. We're going to arm these Curds.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: They're going to come in, They're going to start a
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: civil war. They'll be able to take over these cities.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Like they actually believe this crap. They thought that's how
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: it was going to go, and that just like Venezuela
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: fell so quickly into us hands and by the way,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Venezuela now walking away from the ICC, because that's what
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: we want them to do. But in any case, they
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: thought Aron would be the same. We'll take out their
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: leadership class, we'll arm these Curds, We'll barely have to
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: do anything, and it's all going to crumble, it's all
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: going to fall apart. Obviously, here we are months later
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: and we have like we've lost. It's just a matter
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: of time until we actually reckon with that.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: That tomorrow was five months to the day since the
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: war began, so that was almost five months ago that
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: that video was recorded. We're a few weeks away from
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: these cities losing control wrong, a few weeks away from
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: being able to by the way, even what he was
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: saying there about a treaty that lets us in on
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: a little secret. So because what he's trying to push,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: just to explain a little behind the scenes, I assume
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: I called Sullivan's because Sullivan is STI close to a
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: lot of these Democratic senators, is to push some sort
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: either what we just learned about this Saudi nuclear deal
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: through in a lame duck style session in Congress, or
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: some sort of normalization ish of relations between the Gulf
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: Arab States and Israel.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: But ultimately that was his aim.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: His aim was to support Israel and to top all Iran.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's supported, he accomplished the first one. But
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: it's just so crazy to me that he's more of
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: a warmonger than b B himself, like that saying I
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: just can't get over because.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Phoebe said something like that in a Fox News I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: think interviewed too, who was like, oh, lindsay he'd always
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: be and I'll give you more a and I'll like,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: we don't even need this much I had to talk
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: him back because he was always wanting to give us
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: more and more and more. That's your taskpayer dollars we're
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: talking about here.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, look, we talked about Zelenski, we
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: talked about Boebe. They're all coming to his I'm like,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: is anyone from South Carolina going to this guy's funeral?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Literally?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: Like you have all these foreign ministers and ambassadors from
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: the from Europe who were all like, oh, he was
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: such a great friend. Any poor people in South Carolina
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: hold their hands up and be like, thank you Lindsey
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: Graham for did he fix any roads like anything? He
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: was in Congress for a long time, not that I
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: can see. You know, what's what's the post in Courier
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: or any did do they mention anything? Does anybody down there,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: even you know, miss him? Now that his sister, I guess,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: will take up his mantle. You know, she's running for
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: his for the full election. It's crazy.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who is this lady?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Who are you? Yeah? I looked her up.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: She's like the she was on like the library board
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: or something in South or which he got.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Her the job. Now she's running for his entire term. Okay,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I can't deal with this country sometimes, I really can't.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: All right, Ecuador, Absolutely wild story unfolding down in Ecuador
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: that we had to bring to you in relation to
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: some of these alleged boat drone strikes from the Trump administration.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Let's go on and put this reporting up on the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: screen from drop Site. Their reporter, Camilla Lord's Galarza says
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: that a prosecutor investigating US boat strikes and claims of
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: torture was murdered in Ecuador. So the TLDR here is
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: that this prosecutor was appointed to investigate not only the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: boat strikes, but there were a number of survivors from
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: these three different boat strikes, and they all claimed a
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: very similar series of events that after the drone strikes,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: then they were apprehended by what appeared to be US
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: service members, They were held for more than a week,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: they were tortured, and then they were dropped in El Salvador.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: The US denies all of this. They all described the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: uniform that appears to be like the US Coast Guard uniform.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: I'll go through some of the evidence that drop Site
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: has been able to compile here that I would say
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: is pretty compelling. They all showed back up with severe injuries,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: including their feet were torn to shreds. So there was
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: evidence of this alleged torture. And this woman who was
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: appointed to investigate this as a prosecutor has now been
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: assassinated on the street in Ecuador. Her sister, who tried
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: to say for life, was also killed. Her security detail
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: that she was supposed to have, because it is unfortunately
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: not uncommon for these types of investigators to be assassinated
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: in Ecuador, that security detail sager nowhere to be found.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: So pretty insane all the way around. Let me just
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: read to you the beginning of this and I'll pull
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: out some quotes so that you can get the full
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: gist of the story and some of the evidence they
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: compiled of these allegations. Alexandra Bravo, the prosecutor assigned to
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: investigate US strikes on three Ecuadorian boats and the thirty
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: six survivors subsequent accounts of torture and kidnapping, was shot
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: dead in the cultural city of Monte last month. According
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: to police, on June fourteenth, a hitman aboard a black
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: motive cycle open fire on Bravo as she and her
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: sister were leaving a cafe at about eleven am. Bravo's sister,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: who jumped to protect her, was also killed in the attack.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Upon arriving at the crime scene, officers say they found
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: five nine millimeters shell casings and Bravo's injured driver, no
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: sign of the police detail that had been assigned to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: protect her. The Police director at which operates entirely under
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: the executive Branch, has launch approke to determine if there'd
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: been an internal security breach. So part of the political
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: backstory here too, Sager, is that the leader of Ecuador
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: is very right wing and very much allied himself with
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: the Trump administration, has wanted to be a part of
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: I came remember what they call this thing, Southern Spear
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: or something like that, which is the entire operation to
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: drone strike these these boats that they claim to be
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: drug runners. Some have already been proven to have been
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: just ordinary fishermen out there trying to earn a living.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: So he's really tried to associate himself with that and
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: be a big partner to the Trump administration in all
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  Speaker 2: of this. And you know, while I mentioned before, it's
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  Speaker 2: not uncommon for these prosecutors to be assassinated in Ecuador,
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  Speaker 2: and she was handling some other sensitive cases, so we
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  Speaker 2: can't rule that out. We do know based on drop
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  Speaker 2: site reporting, she was under a lot of pressure with
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: regards specifically to this investigation. They wanted her to really
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  Speaker 2: downplay what had happened here, even though you had the
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  Speaker 2: testimony and the clear signs of torture among these survivors.
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  Speaker 2: She had just actually been taken off this case and reassigned.
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  Speaker 2: So if you look at where she was feeling the
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  Speaker 2: heat internally from the administration in An, Ecuador, it was
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  Speaker 2: this case that seemed to be the hottest button is Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was about to point out, is
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  Speaker 2: that recently she had just been taken off of the
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  Speaker 2: case inside of Ecuador.
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  Speaker 1: Also, Daniel, how do you say? His name? Is it
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Noboah Noboa? Guess where he was born? Miami? Interesting?
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  Speaker 3: Just you know, my own personal ghat against the city
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  Speaker 3: of Miami continues.
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  Speaker 1: So we continue to look inside of this.
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  Speaker 3: As you said, initially, I thought, look, is Latin America
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  Speaker 3: prosecutors get killed all the time. You know. They even
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: open the story by saying that there have been multiple
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  Speaker 3: of these, you know, the twenty sixth member of Ecuador's
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  Speaker 3: justice system to be assassinated since twenty twenty. The second
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: individual investigating state crimes murdered just that week. But it
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: does seem very suspicious that she was killed at this
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  Speaker 3: exact moment when she had been taken off the case
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: she had previously been fighting, investigating and releasing some of
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: those details. There is obviously immense pressure from Washington, specifically
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  Speaker 3: Marco Rubio what does he call himself, like the Viceroy
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: of Venezuela. He runs the country from his cell phone,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: he gets Delsea Rodriguez. I mean, yeah, I mean this
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: is where bringing in the Washington policy of these you know,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: cartoonish vassal states just is so ridiculous. Like this more
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: recent beef between the US and the ICC, which doesn't
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: even have anything to do with US, has everything to
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: do with Israel. Withdrawing from the ICC, we're trying to
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: pressure all these countries to go after the ICC. They're
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: trying to get Venezuela. Now, Delsea Rodriguez saying, oh, actually,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: you know, we also no longer like the ICC, trying
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: to connect it to Nicholas Maduro ironically, who is currently
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: in an American prison. But when you link these things together,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: you can see Washington and Rubio specifically love to see
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: themselves as the governors of these territories look at nineteenth
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: century ambition, and in this case, they're putting immense pressure
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: on these governments. They're like, we need this to go away, right,
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  Speaker 3: And as we just said, assassination of political justice figures
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: in Latin America is commonplace unfortunately for them. And so
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: it's very possible, you know, that she was killed either
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: on orders or through a cutout or via pressure.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows exactly what was there, but we do know the.
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  Speaker 3: US has got a lot to lose if these stories
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  Speaker 3: become very public. Also, you know, just as we were talking,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: just to look at the big picture, a new report
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: actually just came out from the DEA they had to
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: testify before Congress. Cocaine traffic has not slowed whatsoever as resulting.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: Just in case anybody is wondering how it's going, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: engage anybody's wondering morality.
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  Speaker 2: Of this aside of just randomly drone striking and murdering
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: people who we suspect maybe involved in the drug trade,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: it's also not working. Even if that was you know,
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  Speaker 2: even if that pragmatic goal was enough for you to
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: justify the immorality. Here put E three up on the
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  Speaker 2: screen because this has some more details about the pressure
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: that she was experiencing. So it's, by the way, fantastic report.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Shout out to this reporter. She did such a thorough job.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: She writes here. A source inside the Manta Police Department
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: who knew Bravo personally told Drop Site that the Ecuadorian
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: prosecutor was under pressure from her superiors at the Attorney
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: General's office to treat the US attacks as exclusively cases
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: of disappearance. The source, who asked for an anemity said
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Bravo was told to close all lines of inquiry after
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: thirty six of the forty four missing men were found,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: despite arriving with the severe injuries including seventy percent vision loss,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: feet torn to flesh and bone, which medical experts found
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: consistent with their accounts of explosions and torture. So let
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  Speaker 2: me just remind again what the allegations here are allegations are,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: and this is three separate boats that we're talking about,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: and the survivors from those collectively three boats that were
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: subject to drone strikes very similar pattern in terms of
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: the appearance of the drones the explosions, then very similar
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: stories about being abducted by these men wearing military uniforms
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  Speaker 2: on a US flagship and being tortured and kidnapped for
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: eight days before being dumped in a country that is
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: not even their home country. What are we doing here? Again?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: The UIs denis allegations, but their accounts are very consistent,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: and drop site has compiled significant evidence that would point
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: to the US as having kidnapped these guys and then
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: tortured them, as if trying to murder them wasn't bad
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: enough to begin with. This is so completely insane, and
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: you can imagine why we would do it, because this
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: is all very uncomfortable. When they don't die and they
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: live and they can tell their stories about Hey, guess what,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not a drug runner. I'm just trying to earn
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: a living here like a random fisherman. They don't want
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: those stories to get out, so they are trying to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: terrify and intimidate these people, and in many instances that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: has worked. Let me show you a little bit of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: the evidence that they compiled here, and I really you
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: got to read the whole piece because there's a lot
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: more to it than just this piece that I'm going
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: to show you. Put E four up on the screen.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: They obtained exclusive video of US Coast Guard activity in
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: the vicinity of the Negro Francisco bombing. That's one of
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: the boats that was bombed. Open source intelligence that corroborates
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: the testimonies and police interviews with eyewitnesses that confirm the
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: US involvement alleged by survivors and documented by drop site
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: with the help of Air Wars OCID analysts and former
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: US Marine Corps member Tommy McClusky. Drop Site access additional
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: NASA thermal imagery assistant with the Negrot Francisco bombing, and
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: vessel tracking data placing the US Coast Guard activity along
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: the route the fishermen say they were taken after the
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: strike at play. Here is a particular US Coast Guard
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: vessel which was in the vicinity, turns off their tracker
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: so that you can't see where they're moving, and then
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: turns it back on in an area where, again, if
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: the survivors are telling the truth, where it would make sense. Okay,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: they were the ones who came, who apprehended, kidnapped these individuals,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: tortured them, took them back to El Salvador and dumped
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: them there. The tracking data that we have access to,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: and the very fact that they turned off that tracking
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: data for a time is relatively telling. And then you
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: do have some eyewitnesses who weren't on the boats, who
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: were in the area, whose accounts are consistent with what
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: the survivors have said. So there's a lot here that
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: indicates that what they're saying happened is in fact the truth.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Right, And I mean, looking through generally with all of this,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: it just highlighted the sheer, I think insanity of that
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: entire camp. We've been so focused on Iran. That campaign
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: was insane from the beginning. It's still and then right,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: it's still ongoing, but we covered it, and you know,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: every single day when we were going Venezuela drug dealers,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: all this bullshit nonsense. All I would do was look
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: at the DEA twenty twenty five report and say, Trump's
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: DEA says less than seven percent of the world's cocaine
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: even touches Venezuela.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: To the extent that it does touch.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: Venezuela, it's not coming to the United States, it's usually
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: going to Europe. And then in terms of fentanyl, the
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: number of the amount of fenchanyl coming through is zero.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: They talk about trendy Argua, even their own report, the
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: DEA report, trendy Aragua never rose above street level dealing.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: It's the Mexican cartels. So if you care about fentanyl,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: it's all coming through Mexico. They can't actually touch Mexico
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: because of NAFTA and because of all the trade coming through.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: So we can try, you know, all these little diplomatic things,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: but the end of the day, nothing is actually going
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: to happen with that. So they had to focus there
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: on Venezuela and use it as a cover these drone
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: strikes of like dum civilians, which we now see with
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: the girls school strike and all the other strikes happening
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: in Iran. Doesn't look like our target set or identification
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: is all that good. And then on top of that,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: we remember all the script was written in this campaign
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: for Iran, the double tap strike, remember kill them all
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: order that was given by Hegseeth after this drone strike,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: the multiple testimony of the fishermen and others, all of
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: which just like with Iran, immoral wrong to do. But
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: also it didn't even touch what it allegedly was about
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: so foolish, foolhardy turning the people obviously of the region
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: against us and now resorting to sixties and seventies Latin
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: America dictatorial prop ups, which of course have never come
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: back to bite us and the ass whenever it comes
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: to our old strategy.
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  Speaker 13: So it is just.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: Begs belief that we even did it in the first place.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: And I do think that looking back, it was such
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: an important thing for elevating Trump's confidence, this and the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: Maduro raid, for how we can really accomplish youran and
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: now with the you know, the with nearly a year
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: or so. Now later we can be like, it's such
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: an obvious failure.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it happened. But of course nobody will even.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that that he could do it and
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: get away with it. Yeah, you know, I mean that's
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: that's part of it too. And just to speak to
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: that broader picture, let's put E five up on the screen.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: The Guardian partnered I think it was with uh pro Publica.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: In any case, they partnered. No, it was a joint
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: effort by twenty journalists led by the Latin American Center
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: for Investigative Journalism. They published identities of thirteen of those
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: who've been killed in these drone strikes. There's roughly one
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety four victims of these drone strike and
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: so they put enormous investigative efforts into finding, Okay, who
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: were these who were these men?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Who were the people that were being randomly killed by
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: the US. And what they find is none of them
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: could they definitively say they were involved in drug running,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: but some of them, they looked at the pattern behavior,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: it's possible these were even the guys who were potentially
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: involved in moving drugs. These were like deeply impoverished, desperate
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: people in some of the poorest parts of the region.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: You're not taken out kingpins here, right, even in the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: ones where maybe they were moving drugs. You're taking out
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: the low level people who are easily replaced that are
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: a dime a dozen because you have such desperate circumstances.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: So that's why you're never going to move the needle
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: with this strategy. You know, you're not taking out the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: top dogs. They're not the ones that are doing this
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: dirty work. And then in some instances they were not
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: involved with drugs at all. They were just living their life.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: They were fishermen trying to ecount a living and doing
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: the best that they possibly could. What they also found
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: is that it appears and by the way, the US
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: military has never identified any of the people that they
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: have murdered with these drone strikes. What it appears they
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: do is they look at the boat itself and if
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: there are hallmarks of maybe potentially it's involved in drug trades.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: So it's not like they know these people are there's
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: a case built against them, and then they're going out
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: and doing it. I was still object by the way,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: because you know, the sentence is not shouldn't be death
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: for cocaine trafficking, But in any case, that's not what
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: they're doing here. They're just looking at the hallmarks of
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: potentially and then going in with these drone strikes. And
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: then if they're survivors, according to these particular survivors, they're
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: picking them up and they're torturing them so that they
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: won't tell the tale of what happened to them. They
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: won't tell their story, they won't file a lawsuit, which
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: is what a few of the family members of the
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: people who have been killed have done. So it is
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: just a you know, as disgusting and counterproductive and nonsensical
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: a policy as you could possibly imagine here.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, the entire thing it just is so it
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: was stupid from the beginning. It was a bad use
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: of resources, it didn't work, It set the United States
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: back in terms of how we should actually approach Latin America,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: and then it set the stage for the insane Maduro operation,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: which ultimately is the script that led to this Iran operation.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: And in the meantime, as you just said, the only
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: people who suffer are the extremely poor you know, civilians
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: or in many case fishermen, or at the very least,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: the so called drug dealers, while the actual cartel leaders
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: at the top are sitting pretty in Mexico completely untouched
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: who you know, if anything, they don't care at all
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: about some random fishermen who's out in the middle of
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: the Caribbean.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, you know, the leader of
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Ecuador Noboa has his own ties to high level ties
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: to the it's Latin America cartels. But you know, this
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: is our buddy. We're working with him, and then we're
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: you know, murdering these random fishermen, you know, torturing them,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: et cetera. It's just could not be more disgusting.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, I am going to step off now. Ryan is
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: going to come in and Crystal and him are going
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: to interview Kashamas On. I will be out tomorrow, going
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: to be in New York City, but I will be
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: back on Thursday for the show, So we'll see you
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: all later