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#1: Friday the 13th Part 1 (1980) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Jesse here and Travis. We are we're amateurs.
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  We're novices first-timers noobs perhaps.
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  We do people still use that. Yeah.
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  Okay. Anyway, our audio quality isn't
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  the best in episodes -1 and up. Good one, because we are still
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  learning things, we sorted out a lot of those issues recording
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  episode 2. So we just wanted everybody to
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  know that the audio quality does get better.
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  So if this absolutely greats your nerves on the first couple
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  of episodes, you listen to Just know that we sort some stuff
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  out. Please don't assume that it's
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  going to be like this the whole time.
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  Yeah, this right here is give us much more representative of what
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  it's going to be like going forward.
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  Yes. And it potentially will get even
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  better as we learn more things. So just stick it out with this
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  guy's. All right, thank you.
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  We're at least favorite podcast. Hi, welcome to what's your least
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  favorite scary movie. The podcast where we talk about
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  our least favorite aspects and most obtainable opinions of our
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  most favorite scary movies. My name is Jessie and my name is
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  Travis and today I'm going to be explaining why Friday the 13th.
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  The original is a classic and not only is it a good / removing
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  but it deserves the respect that it has within the or community
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  and it should be Diaries rights, especially by some people who
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  happen to be right here to my son.
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  AKA Travis is gatekeeping the horror genre, I got a runny nose
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  right now, so yeah, it's a, it's winter, it's snowing.
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  It was 60 degrees earlier this week.
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  It's just kind of it's all kinds of crazy cats and I'm allergic
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  to guess, right? That's neither here nor there
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  anyway. Yeah, Friday the 13th.
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  Okay, so the original released back in 1980 directed by Sean
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  Cunningham and it was written by Victor Miller grab.
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  But most importantly because I mean we all know and we all love
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  them. It was featuring effects on
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  savini Tom savini exactly and everybody knows who he is,
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  everybody should know. He's part of one of the reasons
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  why this movie is so good. It but also music by Harry
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  manfredini who also brings a great squirt of the Smoothie.
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  Yes, I learned that. He spent a long time in the
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  hospital after the release of this movie, did it?
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  Yes. He suffered a back injury, from
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  carrying this whole movie. That you're seriously, is that
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  what was that something in extras, that didn't cash.
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  Okay, but yes, so this movie stars Adrian, King, as Alice.
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  The final girl and also Betsy Palmer as Miss 40s.
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  Who is the villain in this movie.
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  It's not Jason. As you know, some people are
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  probably disappointed, but, you know, a lot of people seem to
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  misremember, you know, very, very famous moment in the first
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  screen movie, where he asks, who's the killer in front of the
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  13th? It's just Jason, Jason Jason, I
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  saw that movie 20 goddamn times and I feel like that's a lot of
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  people when they talk about this movie.
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  But for you to take Jason, I mean the fridge has is Jason but
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  you know, it starts with her, it's fine, she Palmer's of
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  delight, she doesn't everything. We saw behind the scenes, she's
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  just didn't seem super interested in having.
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  I wouldn't seem super interested is an old lady, but she was
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  really cute and just she wore for a little, a sweater sets to
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  the con like she showed up took on.
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  That's true. Okay.
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  Okay, maybe at my standards are lower for old people being
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  delightful. I think, okay, we'll call that a
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  personal issue. Yeah, it's fine.
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  So any also worth mentioning, I think this movie feature is
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  Kevin Bacon. It's not his first movie like I
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  originally thought, but it was four years before Phil loose, so
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  it was before he got, was some feet.
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  Yeah, it was, it was practicing kicking off his Sunday shoes
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  because you He was doing and what's not in mood?
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  Yeah, he was not going to his nose.
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  He was knocking his Sunday shoes.
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  Okay. So, surprisingly, Friday 13th,
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  did not get good. Reception, from critics, at
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  least from what I saw. I don't, I saw a couple of
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  reviews from back in the day. I'm not sure if this was a mixed
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  from my current reviews or dinner.
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  Also, featuring old ones. I did see one but Yeah, I feel
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  like this thing has kind of been carried by the audience.
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  The reason why it's still a franchise to this day kind of
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  feel like that's kind of true with a lot of horror movies.
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  Yeah, it tends to be overlooked a lot by critics.
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  I mean, we're going through a bit of a hoarder Renaissance,
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  but we saw even God telling Colette was robbed.
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  Well, we're off the thread is Harry.
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  So I mean we still see some of these, you know, controversial
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  critic opinions and it's just, it's So weird genre, that's why
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  we're all here to talk about it together because, yeah, Nobody
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  Does it. And it's not a phase Mom.
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  This is who I am. You just don't understand.
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  But I feel like it wasn't exactly respected back in the
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  day, especially in the 80s. I mean, there was some good
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  horror movie say, you know. Okay, sure.
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  Yeah, but this wasn't one of them.
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  So I'm going to go ahead and for those, this is our first
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  episode. So, yes, we give our Can't tell
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  from us. Finding our feet in here.
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  We are not feeding footing, finding our footing fierros.
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  Alright. Yeah.
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  Our feet are very much tight maybe.
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  Yeah. Our Sunday shoes are on their
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  size too small and they're glued to the ground.
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  But yeah we're not we're not Professionals in any way shape
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  or form, or just nerds talking about this stuff.
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  And hopefully as you listen along with us over the coming
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  weeks, we will get a little bit better with this but one of the
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  things we planned to do each week is You're going to give our
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  personal ratings before our discussions and then our ratings
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  after the discussions, to see if I we have suede each other's
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  minds at all. Yes, is Wilson versus Wilson
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  right here and it's knock-down drag-out, and this is how we
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  spend most of our Saturday nights.
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  It's so welcome to our lives. If you ever wanted to be a part
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  of our marriage which most people do because we're amazing,
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  this is what we're doing so trap.
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  Okay, how would you rate this movie after we?
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  Watched it. I would rate this a 7 ounce him.
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  I think it's a good movie. I think it does a lot of things
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  really. Well it definitely has some
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  things that hold it back, but when it excels, I feel like it
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  actually really like does it? Well so so before we watch the
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  movie, I was fairly certain that my memory was going to tell me 3
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  out of 10 and I did not want to start off our podcast giving
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  Friday the 13th of three out of 10 because I feel like I'm gonna
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  See enough unpopular things as it is, but it held up better on
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  re-watch than I thought it would.
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  And the story was not. Don't hate me.
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  The story was not as boring as I remembered it being so I
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  actually ended up giving it a six out of ten that is super
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  surprising to me I know as much shit as I've talked about Friday
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  the 13th just part one. I love the Jason movies and I
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  and don't think that I dislike Betsy Palmer.
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  I just called her. A nice old lady.
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  Sorry. Betsy Palmer for calling you
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  old. She's just she's just truth.
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  Yeah, it was accurate. I can't wait to be able to but
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  like I love Jay. Then as a character and I'm just
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  going to go ahead and give my hot fucking take on this movie
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  right now that a lot of people say they love Friday the 13th
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  part one and consider it a classic, but they're just kind
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  of blowing smoke up their own asses and it's really not a
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  movie that they love and they loved the rest of the franchise.
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  That is Jason Voorhees. Directly related.
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  And that this is only considered a classic out of nostalgia.
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  Yeah, that's just fucking disrespectful.
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  Okay. Okay, here's what I'll go out
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  and then I got let me defend myself right right off the bat,
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  a big part of the problem I have with this.
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  And we're going to get to the Jason Voorhees versus mrs.
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  Voorhees issue later because I have a lot of opinions on that
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  and they tie in a lot more to the end of the movie.
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  Hey, I think we need to talk about the end of the movie.
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  Up likes. Wait, wait.
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  So we don't tell each other, like, everything we're gonna
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  say, before we do this right now.
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  I say that like we've been doing this a long time.
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  This is our first episode. All right, internet But, you
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  know, we kind of gave a general idea of what points we were
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  planning to discuss. So that way we would have an
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  idea of what direction the discussion was going to go.
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  And, you know what? Kind of CounterPoint stab ready.
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  Yeah, we took notes to. Yeah, we, yeah, we have multiple
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  notes of things that we were noticing while we were watching
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  the movie. It was kind of weird.
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  I just got out of school and I was like, I'm doing it.
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  I'm doing notes all over again as follows depending on you,
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  even? Yeah, yeah, I enjoy this. yeah,
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  it's fun in a different way, but I'm just gonna go ahead and say
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  that one of my biggest problems that I have with this movie, is
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  that I just like, I just don't care about the characters.
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  I just don't, they're not well written enough.
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  They they are very much, they very much two-dimensional, and I
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  think that works better in the later movies.
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  Because, you know, the special effects get more of a chance to
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  shine here. But as it is even though like
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  the story, it kind of keeps moving Pace.
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  It works a lot better than my memories, hold me too.
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  But I just like, I just did not give a shit about you is super
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  two dimensional characters. I just didn't, let's see.
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  Let's see what I've got right in my notes here.
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  I was like it starts off. We've got the / to 1958 and
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  they're singing Jesus songs by the fire.
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  And I've got a whole running list in my notes trying to
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  figure out if this is a standard summer camp, if it side, where
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  is Crystal Lake supposed to be? I think it's 7th New Jersey, who
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  was filmed in New Jersey. It was spelled a New Jersey
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  versus was he such think it said New Jersey.
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  Okay. Because I am.
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  My big thing was trying to figure out what kind of a campus
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  is, if it's a standard summer camp, if there's like a
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  religious affiliation with it because they are definitely
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  singing religious songs, they were singing.
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  I didn't write down. I just wrote singing hymns
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  question mark because they're talking about like the river and
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  Jeremiah or something. I don't know.
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  Something that's not a Biblical. Okay.
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  I just thought that they were just doing General like a songs.
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  No. But it really it really did
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  sound like they were singing that and it kind of made me
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  wonder like, is this a religious camp or is it in a religious
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  town is definitely in a small town?
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  Yeah, because everybody seems to know that he's business, so I
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  just, I had some questions right off the bat there.
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  Travis as, you know, listeners is you Don't our, I spent
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  several summers at Jesus Camp growing up, and I think that
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  kind of gives me a whole different perspective on this
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  movie because there's this whole, you know, we talked about
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  in horror movies, there's morality around having sex,
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  right? It's seen as this like, it's
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  this big thing because, yeah, yeah, this is the kiss of death
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  and horror movies and in religion.
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  It's, you know, it's supposed to do it before marriage and it's
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  only for procreation and there's this and that I'm regardless of
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  what your beliefs are. It definitely influences how sex
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  is viewed in horror movies. And a lot of times it is, it is
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  seen as a really bad thing and we see that right away because
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  one of the camp counselors Claudette, I just wrote quote,
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  Claudette Got Deep thirst. So she takes this other camp.
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  Counselor up there who he's apparently into Marianne.
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  Like he's got this half-assed attempt at romance is like, no,
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  baby. I've only got eyes for you and
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  she's like cool panties. Drop to the ground which
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  whatever. Girl, get yours, I don't care.
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  You're on the clock. So that's a little bit
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  unprofessional. It's kids, but it is Gap.
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  So it's like, when are you on the clock?
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  You off the clock. I was very I feel like it is
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  late at night but and there were clearly counselors.
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  Now nursing in Jesus hands. Yes.
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  They're all the kids are finally getting their Jesus guitar guy
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  down there. Yeah.
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  And but like so we don't really get a feel for these characters
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  right away other than their at camp and there's like some
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  relationship drama but they're gonna bone in this attic.
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  That has so many potential weapons.
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  Yes. Mrs. Voorhees comes in clearly.
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  Ready to kill? Because she killed dude, bro,
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  right away. Yeah, and then quad has like, no
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  don't kill me. And she just runs around all of
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  these boxes. And there's so many things out
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  there that she could use to defend herself, dude, and even
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  if you're not experienced in any kind of self-defense, that
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  survival Instinct kicks in, and she all she did, was she threw
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  an empty box at. This is for he's would, you
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  didn't know those empty could have been Dylan, I say, I don't
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  look at it with anything possibilities.
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  There are so many potential weapons out there and this is
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  this is a great that I have in a lot of horror movies.
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  I do not like it when characters make bad decisions and I'm not
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  saying like they have to make perfect decisions all the time
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  because I get high stress situations.
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  You've got fight flight or freeze, she will not doing any
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  of those, she was playing duck. Duck goose around the cardboard
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  boxes in the Attic. Like I just I want, I want
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  something logical happening. And this kind of goes throughout
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  the whole movie for me, is that all of these characters are
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  making decisions that don't seem to really fully make sense
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  because we don't get a sense of what the characters are.
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  Okay. Now maybe Claudette maybe she's
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  weak, maybe she's got, maybe she's anemic, I don't know and
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  she can't she can't feel the weapon.
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  I don't know. I don't know anything about
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  Claudette. All I know is that she does not
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  pay attention to her surroundings.
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  Things. She doesn't care that her
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  boyfriends. Got another girlfriend and
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  Roman. Yeah.
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  Like I don't think that that was that bad.
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  Okay. Like it's a horror movie.
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  And I know that, you know, people always say like yeah,
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  horror movie characters just stupidly.
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  It's I feel like it's easy to be on the other end of things and
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  be like, no, you shouldn't be doing that.
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  Like wow, that's so stupid. Unless you put in that scenario,
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  like you don't know how you would react.
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  That's true. Like, would you grab a fucking
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  box and throw it at somebody? I mean if it's there I would but
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  I've done I've done self-defense stuff, I would do more than
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  through the empty box that I would be doing.
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  I would be doing a lot more than that, Seattle.
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  Your say I want something that I know how to throw a box.
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  Yes, I do. Yes, exactly.
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  They do tacos. Okay.
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  But yeah, it just and then I think what?
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  Really? What really That me about it was
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  that both of these killers are off screen.
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  So I don't care about these characters, I don't know if this
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  is Jesus camp or regular Camp, don't know who the Killer is.
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  Don't know their motive. All I know is these people
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  probably got killed and this is my biggest gripe because it's
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  such a waste of Tom savini. We get to see the after effects.
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  And I know that not all of the kills are off screen in this
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  movie but we just met and I guess it's so easy to come at
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  it. From a 2021 perspective where we
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  know, Tom is Caleb. Look without a first-name basis.
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  Look at this point, I'm pretty sure easily.
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  Well-known, like not like as well known as he is now but like
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  he was recruited for this movie because of done of the Dead.
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  Yeah, so I mean the obviously it's stuff is out there for
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  display. Yeah.
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  Really. But yeah, okay.
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  Well, which Dawn of the Dead going back into the moralizing.
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  It is this a religious basis? Is it not?
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  And I mean, obviously at the end I know that it's supposedly all
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  about her son, but I think she's gotten mixed motives here too,
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  and I'm going to get to that later.
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  The Dawn of the Dead was also a fairly controversial movie if I
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  remember because there's a whole lot of socio-political
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  commentary in it. Yeah.
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  So it's not like Tom savini is afraid of being associated with
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  that kind of thing. So when I'm sitting here and I'm
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  like, is there a deeper message here, which we know from behind
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  the scenes that Steve Miller? Is that his first name?
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  No, Steve Miller is the fool. Who the writer?
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  I erase that part of something. It is something like that.
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  I think it's Steven Hiller. If not, if you give us because,
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  you know, we don't have this stuff.
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  Yeah. My notes are kind of all of my
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  handwriting is atrocious. You guys, either way the killer
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  sport. Oh no, no, no, Harry, never
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  dini. Did you color store?
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  Miller I'm just going to call him Miller.
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  I know for a fact, this is awesome.
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  I don't know his last name basis.
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  Yes, we're an elastic. All right heat.
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  Like he's straight up and then it's like, but it's meant to be
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  a Halloween ripoff. Yeah.
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  He, he phoned it in some but he found it in and all his are
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  views and I feel like that's the energy he had while he was
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  writing the movie. And listen, I'm not saying I
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  could write a better movie than that.
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  I've never written a movie. I'm acknowledging that 100%, he
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  wrote a movie and plenty of people considered a classic.
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  Even the person that I had chosen to spend the last decade
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  with, I'm just saying it's not a labor of love with him and it
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  definitely comes across. So that's true.
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  Okay. Like in the commentary or we
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  didn't listen to the commentary but we did some of the special
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  features bass string a commentary.
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  Yeah there's like you didn't work.
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  There was comment. Terry, there's like two or three
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  comma tubes. All right guys, I need you to
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  know I love commentary. All of my favorite shows I have
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  on DVD box set. So I listened to the commentary,
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  I did not know. There was commentary for this
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  movie or we would have listened to it.
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  We did watch every other behind the scenes feature though.
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  Yeah. Even the student.
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  Yeah, even though weird like fan fiction or whatever it was, we
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  can talk about that later. But I mean everybody accepts
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  Sean coming in Cunningham, the director All them is that this
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  was a ripoff of how we enough. This came out two years after
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  Halloween candy. Okay, here's the thing.
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  Halloween, the characters were so much more well fleshed out
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  you actually cared about um even let's rename totally PJ, PJ
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  something totally like you care about her like she's not just
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  like a domed. It like she, you can see the
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  relationship with her and Lori like, you and her and Bob, is it
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  Bob? Yeah.
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  Off the coast, my favorites. My favorite to love that movie,
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  but you can see those relationships flushed out and
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  these counselors that coming. I'm so confused about so many
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  parts of these counselors like half I've got four pages of
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  notes here and I'd say over half of that is me just going like,
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  how old are these kids? Who is, who why do we care about
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  them? But only one that I remember for
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  sure is Ned because Ned's a fuck Dick, he's not enjoyable and
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  it's not even like he's like a mean bully dick.
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  Like it's like that. Hey, aren't I?
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  So funny? It's really.
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  Yeah, he's Reckless. He's got no safety awareness
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  actually seems like in the movie like as it goes on like some of
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  the Campers or the counselors to make yeah, we didn't get campers
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  was or yeah, it's worth trying to keep the camp from opening as
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  they're all disappearing. And everybody keeps asking like
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  where everybody else has been nobody.
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  The ER time asks, where's and then they're just like, and I do
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  believe the worst one that's been gone missing, too.
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  It's like obviously, nobody gave a shit about this, dude, they
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  cared about Kevin Bacon more. Yes.
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  Yeah. I mean like well and Kevin Bacon
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  had it. I'm sorry if you guys are
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  picking up my dog's tongue in your microphone, she is she's a
• 21:34
  part of the podcast, and we'll talk about her ratings for the
• 21:37
  movie later, but she also likes to be licking things at all
• 21:41
  times and we've gotten her a licking pad.
• 21:43
  We've got her Benadryl, we've gotten her allergy shots.
• 21:45
  Gotten her squeezy peanut butter.
• 21:47
  We've gotten all kinds of things for her.
• 21:49
  It's just who she is. She needs to because she needs
• 21:52
  to be showing love at all times. So I don't know how much sound a
• 21:56
  dog tongue picks up on a microphone but that's where it
• 21:59
  is. She is here she's clearly on my
• 22:01
  side because she came over to me and like my arm.
• 22:04
  Okay. And we'll talk about my notes
• 22:06
  for thalia's rating at the end. First of all, one of the things
• 22:09
  that we rate that we use her for as a gauge of, if she's
• 22:13
  interested in moving on is how Often she scratches to go
• 22:17
  outside during this and I need you guys to understand.
• 22:20
  We need you guys to understand me Travis and Talia need you to
• 22:23
  understand that we're not just saying this because we're
• 22:27
  obsessed with our dog and full disclosure.
• 22:30
  We are very obsessed with her. I think that's the first thing
• 22:34
  we tell people really. Hi.
• 22:35
  My name is Jesse. I have a dog named Tanya plank.
• 22:38
  Not that we don't love our cats, but like talia's, she's a very
• 22:41
  big personality and she wants people to know what the cats are
• 22:43
  like, give me some time, which is fair.
• 22:45
  They're introverts. Next year, but he really does
• 22:49
  pay attention to what's on the screen lesson?
• 22:53
  She loves baseball. For example, that's one of her
• 22:56
  favorite things and trying to abuse and she was very
• 23:01
  emotionally invested in and we're going to talk about that
• 23:03
  maybe later because I'm still mad three months later at Travis
• 23:06
  for making me watch that movie. I didn't know what we were about
• 23:10
  to watch. It was my first time watching
• 23:11
  the movie too. Yeah, dude, it was good for what
• 23:14
  it is but that's what That's, that's the whole thing is Talia.
• 23:17
  Talia house emotional reactions to things, including whether she
• 23:21
  wants to play for a movie or go outside to poop during the movie
• 23:24
  directors, she didn't go outside any, during this week, we're
• 23:27
  going to talk about that. I've got a margin full of notes
• 23:30
  about Talia. We'll talk about it later.
• 23:33
  I just wanted to, you know, start way if you guys knew
• 23:36
  didn't know what that sound was. That was coming through on my
• 23:38
  mic, it was Talia was looking my arm, and my arm is right next to
• 23:42
  my bike. I'm kind of loud.
• 23:43
  So my mind gets away from my face.
• 23:45
  So anyway so anyway, I have um so we're just going to go ahead
• 23:50
  and we're going to start with an e, she's going to be the cook,
• 23:53
  right? This is where I get some
• 23:56
  confusion right off the bat is this is present time.
• 24:00
  So we hear church bells on this small town, which is making me,
• 24:02
  which is part of why I was like, is this a religious camp or is
• 24:06
  it just a small religious Town? Yeah, and having gone through
• 24:09
  religious camps and having been from small religious towns, I
• 24:12
  could like a special command as well.
• 24:15
  Yeah. Well, You're from a small room.
• 24:22
  So I did not give pause for dog response, so I think I already
• 24:30
  hated Annie because she saw the doctor, he's like, hey, dog, and
• 24:34
  just walk past it, which is rude.
• 24:35
  I love that. Actually gave her directions
• 24:38
  though it was amazing. Like she, I asked the dog run
• 24:41
  ago and I don't know that they had some kind of connection.
• 24:44
  Just go should go this way, okay, thank you.
• 24:46
  That's Mommy. Why so fast, I'm back.
• 24:50
  She walks like, um, but yeah. She she so she goes to this
• 24:57
  Diner, and we've got Ralph there.
• 24:59
  Who everybody just writes off and I can't tell if it's because
• 25:02
  like they think he's crazy. I don't like the word crazy and
• 25:06
  we're gonna have a whole episode about mental health and burn.
• 25:11
  Hold on just a second tell you is trying to play with toys
• 25:13
  because she noticed giving everybody assumption But yeah,
• 25:20
  so Ralph is there and he's called at Camp blood and he's
• 25:23
  going on about how it is haunted and all this and that so right
• 25:26
  off the bat, you're like, is it a real killer or is a parent
• 25:29
  while you've got some of that ambiguity.
• 25:31
  So I'm going in early Autumn like that.
• 25:34
  So I likes my how the town fell. Okay.
• 25:38
  I liked how it kind of like, builds it up as like a the lake
• 25:43
  is like this ominous voice. I don't know.
• 25:46
  She goes into the diner and she asks, the people, I can't
• 25:49
  remember exactly like directions or yeah, she's asking for
• 25:53
  directions, Jimmy. It's the right and I wonder
• 25:57
  who's basically, there are basically giving like the brink.
• 26:01
  So they're giving like, little hints of like, what we're going
• 26:05
  to find out later. Like, some people pronounce some
• 26:08
  of the background about things that have happened.
• 26:10
  They're very rarely happens in this movie, too.
• 26:13
  Like, you barely get any information, About what is
• 26:18
  because, like, I feel like it's kind of setting it up as Ralph,
• 26:21
  is the killer was this a flat as a pancake?
• 26:27
  That was the two-dimensional character.
• 26:28
  Oh, is this the real life? Is this just fantasy.
• 26:31
  So we don't know, we don't know as this is, this paranormal, is
• 26:35
  this like a person within the data?
• 26:37
  I think that's cool. I think it kind of bit of
• 26:39
  uncertainty. There's a little bit of
• 26:41
  uncertainty but the thing is so we got Ralph out there calling
• 26:45
  it came But and all this and that and then the truck driver.
• 26:49
  I did not catch his name. I did not catch a lot of names
• 26:51
  in this movie. I don't know why it.
• 26:53
  Yeah, I relied a lot on some titles.
• 26:55
  Even with the counselors who were supposed to know who they
• 26:57
  are. I relied a lot on the side boys,
• 27:00
  and they do not really flesh out the characters in this movie.
• 27:02
  And, yes, that's my point. It's not necessary.
• 27:07
  Okay, it is in this movie, it's a slasher movie, okay?
• 27:12
  It's just a vehicle for like, They're all just kind of there
• 27:18
  to be killed. Yes.
• 27:19
  But we don't get to see most of the kills and this.
• 27:22
  Yeah. So so that's part.
• 27:24
  That's part of my problem with it.
• 27:26
  And here's the thing, the guy that's talking about, you know,
• 27:31
  Ralph gives this whole death curse feel, you know, he talks
• 27:34
  about it. You know, he's the prophecy guy.
• 27:37
  He's the Doom prophecy guys. Like that sound.
• 27:39
  Yes, he's got the arm endure and people don't take him seriously,
• 27:43
  but they also give some Credence to what he says.
• 27:45
  And, like I said, I want to go into a whole thing about mental
• 27:47
  health and horror movie and that's going to be a whole
• 27:49
  episode on its own, but the truck driver is driving driving
• 27:56
  her out there and really what he's talking about is nothing
• 27:59
  that sound Supernatural, you know?
• 28:01
  He just he talked about there were two kids murdered which
• 28:03
  presumably is caught it and her boys way, I did not catch his
• 28:08
  name. Either I caught his girlfriend's
• 28:11
  name Mary and I wrote very spot and Mary and I did not catch his
• 28:14
  name. There was a drowning they were
• 28:18
  fires and then in 1962, the water was bad.
• 28:22
  Presumably was like poison issue or something.
• 28:25
  It's never fully clarified, but it, none of that stuff sounds
• 28:29
  paranormal. And anyway, so it's not as kind
• 28:31
  of like they're like Ralph is blowing this out of proportion.
• 28:35
  Like it's just a string of bad luck but he's also a little
• 28:37
  superstitious that is like it just seems kind of curse but
• 28:40
  like the way you would be like, you know I would all this
• 28:43
  happened at the camp. Yes, all this happened.
• 28:46
  It became this is what the truck drivers telling Annie, and then,
• 28:49
  here's where I get really confused.
• 28:50
  Because did he drop her off early because she didn't believe
• 28:55
  him or did she ask to get out because she was getting weird
• 28:58
  vibes from him? I don't I don't fully understand
• 29:00
  what the explain because all of a sudden she's in the woods and
• 29:04
  being chased, she is hitchhiking again, I don't.
• 29:07
  Why is she hitchhiking again though?
• 29:09
  Because the camp is in the town and the guy said he was going to
• 29:11
  drive her. And I don't understand, I don't
• 29:13
  know if I missed something in this form.
• 29:15
  I think it's a dress. I think it's like just standing
• 29:19
  like hitchhikers stuff. Like I mean I'm very shy but
• 29:23
  usually you like I can take you this far.
• 29:26
  Like I'm not going to go all the way to Camp one because you know
• 29:28
  that shit is scary. But we see that several other
• 29:31
  types of the movie is that other people get rides to the camp.
• 29:35
  Yeah. It's just I don't know these
• 29:37
  people that are visiting Yammer. Coughs.
• 29:39
  Okay. And they're all looking for
• 29:40
  Ralph, that's true. Yeah, but yeah, so it was just,
• 29:45
  it was just kind of Too busy to me and he's like giving this
• 29:47
  whole back story which I think it was a decent enough way to
• 29:49
  do. Exposition you have a good.
• 29:51
  Yeah you have to their Exposition in there somewhere
• 29:53
  and it's really so yeah if you're not subtle but it feels
• 29:59
  natural feels organic well okay because if I'm hitchhiking which
• 30:03
  I'm not hitchhiking but if I'm hitchhiking and I'm like oh what
• 30:06
  did Ralph mean? When he said that this Camp is
• 30:08
  cursed and then he like explains it.
• 30:10
  That's a good way other than just being like, oh, so you're
• 30:13
  going to Camp Crystal Lake. Let me tell you about About
• 30:15
  every bad thing, you know what I mean?
• 30:17
  Like it's a decent way, is a decent vehicle for exposition.
• 30:20
  I just don't understand what happens that she got out of the
• 30:22
  car and was hitchhiking again. And gets picked up by this Jeep.
• 30:25
  Because apparently, everybody in this town drives a cheap.
• 30:30
  If the source for so much confusion and murder in this
• 30:34
  movie, that people see a Jeep and they're like, oh no, it's
• 30:36
  okay. It's a Jeep.
• 30:37
  I know the guy that drives a Jeep.
• 30:39
  It's my neighbor remain in my neighbor's neighbor or the guy,
• 30:41
  go to church looking for a movie.
• 30:44
  I don't know if he was he drunk. This is our keys was driving.
• 30:47
  A d-bag comes into play later. I know, that's what I'm saying.
• 30:50
  Like the whole thing like when she's hit driving a Jeep picks
• 30:54
  her up and she's like, thank God, you're here.
• 30:56
  I'm going to give a like and then she gets chased around the
• 30:59
  woods and then we actually get an on-screen show.
• 31:01
  So we get to see her and I've beat her her night, her night
• 31:04
  being slit by my life. Yeah, which is great.
• 31:08
  Yeah, those are first on screen:.
• 31:10
  Yeah. And and I believe that was good.
• 31:14
  It was good. And here's Here's my thing.
• 31:17
  I got, I had so many questions about all of this all the way
• 31:20
  through. So Annie is going to this Camp.
• 31:23
  She's going to be the cook. Which fine she looks really
• 31:26
  young. Has she been working in kitchens
• 31:28
  issue just an Enthusiast? How old is she?
• 31:31
  Like we never get a clear answer of how old she is?
• 31:33
  What her kitchen experiences. They make a comment about her
• 31:37
  supposedly being really good at cooking.
• 31:40
  Like they think that she's really well suited for this job.
• 31:43
  And she is telling the truck driver how much she loves kids.
• 31:46
  And she's like, I love to cook and I love kids and I don't cook
• 31:49
  the kids, which is really important quality in age Camp
• 31:53
  cook. But like she's just going on
• 31:57
  about how excited she is about this.
• 31:58
  So I know that the whole motivation is supposed to be
• 32:00
  that the camp doesn't open back up.
• 32:02
  But why is this kill going to be the person that was there?
• 32:05
  That's excited to be with the kids.
• 32:07
  I don't get that right away. I don't get how she is old
• 32:12
  enough to have this like view of.
• 32:14
  Like I want to make a positive difference in kids life and I'm
• 32:17
  a good enough cook that. I'm going to be a well-renowned
• 32:19
  amongst my peers as a camp cook and I love kids and And this is
• 32:25
  working. This is going to be like, yeah,
• 32:27
  I know. Okay, so I don't understand why
• 32:30
  she killed her. Okay.
• 32:32
  As far as her being like too young for this, I don't know it
• 32:36
  and they don't go into detail about that.
• 32:37
  She could just be somebody that will see young.
• 32:39
  Yeah, that's what but it's part of the character development
• 32:43
  problem, I have I think it's a big thing because when we
• 32:47
  consider characters, I mean there's different levels of
• 32:49
  tragedy, you know, if you're really young it and this is this
• 32:53
  is awful to say because I think Death is awful at any stage of
• 32:57
  life and I don't want anybody listening to think that I'm
• 33:01
  saying that it's worse to die young, but there is a certain
• 33:04
  tragedy that's associated. When you died really young and
• 33:08
  from a more practical standpoint, most Camp counselors
• 33:11
  are teenagers themselves which is probably why we got into this
• 33:15
  dilemma in the first place because teenagers are hella
• 33:17
  irresponsible. I don't think that they're
• 33:20
  teenagers, okay? And what not?
• 33:22
  We get y, clear answer, why? It's not really their adults.
• 33:27
  Okay. And they are adults.
• 33:30
  Yeah, how do you know? Well, I don't think of your
• 33:33
  work, okay? I don't think a movie would be
• 33:36
  having like the head. Counselor guy had a relationship
• 33:40
  with one of the counselors. If they were young also, I feel
• 33:43
  like that could avoid source is, it could be that and that's my
• 33:46
  other thing. It is like so explain is its I
• 33:49
  wasn't supposed to be at she's the final girl and we know that
• 33:52
  the final girl is supposed to be pure and wholesome.
• 33:55
  And whatever this right. No, but it came straight up
• 34:01
  ripped off Halloween. We've established this already.
• 34:04
  Right? And Lori is like, I think that
• 34:06
  he is killed, but no, don't tell him.
• 34:08
  I'm here, I'm Chase. And I'm not saying like Jamie
• 34:11
  Lee Curtis. I love you so much and I don't
• 34:13
  want you to think that. I don't want.
• 34:14
  I love the character of Lori and I can have a whole discourse
• 34:17
  about look great and we will, but um, but like her character
• 34:23
  was obviously meant to be very Yeah, and Alice is character is
• 34:27
  just so much more ambiguous, like, is she there to be a
• 34:30
  counselor, is she, what did I? Sexy gay Lumberjack is how I
• 34:36
  first wrote him when he when he appeared as because he was
• 34:39
  wearing like the short shorts and he had that he had the
• 34:42
  bandana around his neck, like an Ask, gotten him, a mustache
• 34:44
  like, oh, but all right. Get it.
• 34:47
  Like I felt it like it was cool. And then I was like, oh, so he's
• 34:50
  been sleeping with is this his girlfriend?
• 34:52
  But no, she supposed to be a counselor or she just hoping.
• 34:55
  So, About the cat. I didn't know what her role was
• 34:57
  supposed to be there. It was very unclear.
• 34:59
  So it was hard to tell how she was going to be interacting with
• 35:01
  everybody else. She likes that one guy that was
• 35:04
  also there. I wrote whose name down
• 35:06
  somewhere here too. I think I know your time.
• 35:10
  Yeah. But either way click clearly and
• 35:13
  like she doesn't want to be there.
• 35:15
  She's she said several times that she's not sure if she's
• 35:17
  staying or not and she's clearly not comfortable in the camp.
• 35:20
  Siding. Like she gets freaked out about
• 35:21
  the snake, which I'm sorry for going to be a camp counselor,
• 35:24
  you have to expect to see some snakes.
• 35:26
  It's just a thing. Like there's just there's so
• 35:32
  much about her. That doesn't I don't know what
• 35:34
  for will the supposed to be in the camp?
• 35:36
  Is she here? Kind of by mistake?
• 35:38
  Is she here out of love? Is she here?
• 35:40
  Because she wants to be a counselor but she's out of her
• 35:42
  element, I don't know. It kind of takes away from some
• 35:44
  of those like, what could be perceived as tragic, irony at
• 35:49
  the end, you know what I mean? So that that's one of those
• 35:53
  things that I have problems with m Also, I wrote suspenders, but
• 35:59
  shirtless bill. So bill is the guy that Alice
• 36:03
  likes and Alice apparently or Bill apparently likes
• 36:07
  suspenders. Even if he doesn't like to wear
• 36:09
  shirts. Yeah, that's what that's, that's
• 36:12
  his name. That's where I first paid
• 36:14
  attention to Bill. Okay.
• 36:16
  Okay, so for the record for the record season, I'm writing
• 36:20
  realistic characters because you know, you're saying that They
• 36:26
  don't have any motivation, and they're not sure they're not
• 36:30
  following the rules of the final girl.
• 36:32
  That was not really established at this point.
• 36:34
  Okay? Like this is very early on in
• 36:37
  like slasher history. Okay.
• 36:43
  I think it's kind of cool that house wasn't like she didn't fit
• 36:46
  the mold of my Jamie Lee Curtis and Halloween.
• 36:49
  I know it's like a blatant ripoff of.
• 36:51
  This is like one of the differences.
• 36:53
  Like she's a real person like She has a relationship with that
• 36:57
  guy. She's uncertain about you know,
• 37:00
  if she really wants to be there not her what she's wanting to do
• 37:03
  with her wife and she is like she plays like strip poker or
• 37:09
  whatever with them later. Like she's okay.
• 37:12
  She's not restricted to do something.
• 37:14
  It's not strip. Poker is strip Monopoly.
• 37:16
  That's right. Yeah so weird.
• 37:17
  Yeah what I loved about that scene is that the other two
• 37:21
  characters are down to like two items of clothing each and she
• 37:25
  is A full address. What?
• 37:27
  Yeah, so that's one of the things I get and I don't want
• 37:30
  anybody who comes slut shaming because no people should be able
• 37:33
  to have sex and not be afraid. Like, it shouldn't be a thing
• 37:36
  and it's this whole Trope in horror and that I was just
• 37:39
  saying because they're basing it off of Halloween.
• 37:41
  And there was clearly this element of period Purity that
• 37:43
  was associated with Lori. But with Alice is a little bit
• 37:47
  more ambiguous and there was even part of it that I was like
• 37:49
  because we don't know what her ages.
• 37:51
  So I'm like, is there a predatory element to?
• 37:54
  Yeah, they Lumberjack. Yeah, he kind of is And and I,
• 37:57
  that's just how I was writing it in my notes because he just
• 37:59
  like, and I loved the look, I really did at the time.
• 38:04
  Yeah. Like it wasn't like, it was a
• 38:05
  really great life, but that was just my shorthand for it.
• 38:08
  Because like I said, I couldn't remember any of these characters
• 38:10
  names because I just don't give a shit about any of them,
• 38:13
  besides Alex, like, so I had my shorthand until their names were
• 38:17
  clearly defined for me, gave up Kevin Bacon, he will you play a
• 38:20
  pretty good Kevin Bacon? You clearly didn't care about is
• 38:24
  getting faster. Okay, that's That point okay
• 38:27
  well okay first of all, I mean if you're watching one of these
• 38:31
  horror movies and you get like an actor like that, you're not
• 38:33
  going to call him. Like they're actually going to
• 38:36
  be like that's fucking Matthew McConaughey from Texas, Chainsaw
• 38:39
  Massacre and because that's such a weird thing like he'd seen
• 38:43
  these people in these ideas very early in their career but
• 38:46
  Jennifer Aniston and leprechaun, exactly yeah.
• 38:50
  So yeah, no II get it, I get what you're saying. but yeah,
• 38:58
  it's just, it's She has more complexity because we're putting
• 39:04
  more attention to her and that's fine, because she is the
• 39:07
  character that we're. She's our protagonist in this
• 39:10
  movie, you know? But we have so many other deaths
• 39:14
  before her and it's just like, what's the point?
• 39:18
  Especially, because we're not even seeing it.
• 39:19
  Like, in the later movie is it definitely becomes so
• 39:22
  outrageous. And that's part of what I love
• 39:25
  about it. I love special effects.
• 39:27
  I love Camp. I love over the top and those
• 39:30
  later movies too. Over it.
• 39:33
  But in this movie like we have the vehicle for the killings.
• 39:39
  Yeah. But we don't see the killings
• 39:41
  for the most part, I'll give you that.
• 39:42
  Okay, so so it's like what am I getting out of this movie?
• 39:46
  You know what I mean? I was really disappointed.
• 39:48
  It didn't a long time since I had watched this and I was
• 39:51
  explicitly because he has been with me for nine years and just
• 39:54
  every time he's like to do you want to watch Friday the 13th?
• 39:56
  I'm like, how about we watch Jason X or how about we watch?
• 40:00
  Jason Takes Manhattan. I Yes, yes, but yeah.
• 40:05
  Okay. You gotta remember all of the
• 40:08
  following Friday, the 13th movies because of how successful
• 40:11
  is one was with as how awesome everybody realize.
• 40:14
  This was, they had a bigger budget.
• 40:15
  Okay. So you've already pulled in Tom
• 40:17
  savini who clearly was like in high demand at this time so they
• 40:21
  were wanting to execute the kills and we don't get water on
• 40:26
  screen gills but we do get they are super effective.
• 40:31
  Well, I work and I'm not saying they're not.
• 40:33
  Not, but I'm saying like, you know, you're talking about these
• 40:35
  characters are flat because they're just vehicles for the
• 40:37
  kill. I think this movie is a whole is
• 40:39
  a flat because it's a vehicle for the franchise.
• 40:43
  You know what I mean? I know he's you don't care about
• 40:45
  the character. He even gets, you can kill in
• 40:48
  the story. He was surprised that they were
• 40:50
  going to do, see what? Yeah, he just all he wanted to
• 40:53
  do and I don't know, and then it was a little better second.
• 40:58
  All he wanted to do was a ripoff Halloween which that's probably
• 41:02
  admittedly Heh. Why I like this movie so much is
• 41:05
  because Halloween is my favorite movie of all time.
• 41:08
  Yes, I doubt that opening scene like that was straight about
• 41:13
  Halloween, rip off. Like first person view kind of
• 41:15
  going into the building getting the murder weapon going
• 41:18
  upstairs. Yeah, it was awesome.
• 41:20
  I mean it just it the only thing was it wasn't point post-coitus
• 41:23
  and there were no titties. I made a note about knows
• 41:25
  hideous. Yeah, I like oh no these this is
• 41:30
  early early. I'm just saying that there were
• 41:33
  no, there were no titties, I'm just are there any citizen who,
• 41:36
  you know, hey, it's kind of surprising.
• 41:40
  All right, like there were some moments see listen, uh I don't
• 41:47
  think there is any good either way.
• 41:51
  Okay, but yeah. So we've got we've got this cast
• 41:55
  of characters that we just can't really tell apart.
• 41:57
  One of them is Kevin Bacon. One of them's Ned who's a dick I
• 42:01
  wrote Ned, you ignorant slut because he just decides to shoot
• 42:05
  an arrow at somebody who is setting up the arrow targets?
• 42:08
  Which is just, you have to have a lot of confidence in yourself
• 42:14
  that your aim is on point according to.
• 42:18
  This does not seem Like he is that confident in himself that
• 42:23
  apparently it was Tom savini shooting.
• 42:25
  That's who according to him and believe that Tom savini.
• 42:28
  Is that comp do they truly? Do they read?
• 42:30
  Okay, this dude does make up really well.
• 42:32
  Like let's go ahead and shoot an arrow at me sitting right next
• 42:35
  to us. All something is a multi-faceted
• 42:37
  person Travis and I really wish you would not try and make him
• 42:40
  as two dimensional characters. In this movie, he kicks ass and
• 42:42
  make of but I would not trust anybody to shoot an arrow that
• 42:47
  close. Yeah but net.
• 42:51
  Okay, I understand what you're saying about him being like a
• 42:53
  really unlikable character and I feel like for movies like this,
• 42:59
  like you kind of need that one character that you made because
• 43:02
  when they get killed and makes it that much more satisfying,
• 43:06
  however, his is another Oscar. We don't see on screen.
• 43:10
  We don't even have a timeline for.
• 43:11
  Really when it happens. We thought it was like, when the
• 43:14
  sun's happening we have like a rough.
• 43:16
  Yeah. But the other thing is that like
• 43:19
  yeah, he's an online. Character.
• 43:21
  But his friends seem to like him, like they call him Eddie
• 43:23
  they didn't care about it when he went missing.
• 43:25
  I know that he cares. Nobody asked about like oh
• 43:28
  that's just nutty. Like that's not like I've had
• 43:32
  friends like that that are just total dicks.
• 43:34
  And yeah, I love them for who they are as people but I'm not
• 43:38
  like oh that's just Silly Willy. You know what I mean?
• 43:42
  Like I'm not gonna sit there and give like I'm not going to tell
• 43:45
  them that they're super cute. It's just, it's just weird.
• 43:49
  I have Our notes are sequential and we're not necessarily
• 43:53
  talking about these movies Beat by beat.
• 43:55
  But I just I really want to acknowledge some of the good
• 43:59
  directing choices that are in here as well because I feel like
• 44:01
  I'm I feel like it probably sounds like I'm being really
• 44:04
  harsh on this movie and I'm not I'm just curious.
• 44:11
  So before Annie gets killed when she still hitchhiking and she
• 44:14
  sees the random Jeep, I love the way it shots that you see the
• 44:17
  Jeep, coming up the street and it R Street.
• 44:20
  Road, it's a dirt road. You see it coming up the road
• 44:24
  and you can't tell who's driving, and I think that's such
• 44:26
  an effective shot because you don't really think much of it.
• 44:29
  Yeah. If the first time you're
• 44:30
  watching it cuz you just like oh somebody's gonna pick her up,
• 44:33
  she was hitchhiking. It makes sense.
• 44:35
  I think it's just such an effective way that it shot and
• 44:37
  like you said that heat comes back and is important later.
• 44:40
  Yeah. But I just, I thought that was a
• 44:44
  really nice touch. I think that there there are a
• 44:47
  lot of really good aspects of this movie.
• 44:50
  I think the soundtrack is amazing.
• 44:52
  I was really, really struck by or while we were watching it by
• 44:55
  the way. Always I made a note when we
• 44:57
  were okay. We have why it's in our quiz.
• 45:00
  So the way we haven't packed in go, so here the lights up to
• 45:03
  music and also a Christmas. I said, well, they were wild and
• 45:07
  out like so yes, there is no wheat.
• 45:09
  Yeah, we've got sound responsive lights throughout our Because
• 45:13
  we're generally spastic people, I guess it was worth it because
• 45:17
  it was kind of cool. It was really actually great.
• 45:19
  When we watch movies and we see that the lights are like, oh,
• 45:22
  this is the mood that we should be responding.
• 45:23
  As it's kind of like our own personal Applause sign in our
• 45:29
  but yeah. So we see, I kind of, I think
• 45:36
  the only character that got flushed out any more than Alice
• 45:39
  was Marcy. She was a lot was always wearing
• 45:42
  red. Yeah.
• 45:43
  And I know this because she was always wearing red and I was
• 45:45
  like, is this because you blend in with every other character in
• 45:48
  this movie, that isn't Alice. But she looked really hot when
• 45:53
  she was on the raft, I was like, she's got hips.
• 45:56
  That's really nice. Like it's good to see like a
• 45:58
  like, curvy figure. Um, good for her.
• 46:04
  She's on the rap and which one will she get?
• 46:07
  Okay. I know the one that was always
• 46:09
  wearing red. She I wrote Marci, you're a hot
• 46:11
  weirdo but I don't hate it and that's later on if after the
• 46:15
  strip coat, the strip Monopoly. So she said yes she's part of
• 46:19
  it, I remember her now. Okay, so I think she's the only
• 46:23
  other character that really gets any kind of Dimension and it's
• 46:26
  just barely like it's not enough.
• 46:28
  It's enough that I'm like your hot weirdo.
• 46:31
  But it's not in that like it's just enough for me to care about
• 46:35
  her death. And I wish like every character
• 46:36
  had a little bit more of that. But yeah.
• 46:40
  So they're all this raft and then Ned pretends that he's
• 46:43
  drowning and this should be, this is a whole thing because
• 46:48
  mrs. Voorhees motivation.
• 46:50
  Is that her son died because their Z Reckless teenagers that
• 46:54
  are in charge of children in the whole the whole camp.
• 46:59
  Set up is so insane. Um, and I mean teenagers and
• 47:04
  young adults, I guess it varies from which Camp you go to a
• 47:07
  Jesus Camp, it was teenagers. I know my roommate in college.
• 47:12
  She was a camp counselor and obviously we were seniors in
• 47:14
  college. So she was older but it's still
• 47:16
  like is just like insane to think about how young somebody
• 47:20
  can be to look after somebody else.
• 47:21
  That's so young, and that is in there and he's like, he's
• 47:25
  fucking around, he's pretending to drown.
• 47:26
  He's making his friends scared for him and like he really plays
• 47:30
  the bit. Really think that something
• 47:32
  happened so it's just like, he's just so reckless.
• 47:35
  How did he get this job in the first place?
• 47:37
  I don't understand. Background checks?
• 47:39
  Yes. No background checks, nothing.
• 47:41
  I just want Y is Ned. Why is that?
• 47:45
  Because that we see him after the snake thing that I was
• 47:48
  talking about earlier we're everybody freaks out about the
• 47:50
  snake. You're working in a camper in
• 47:51
  the wilderness. Like I don't know.
• 47:56
  I grew up. I grew up going to the lake,
• 47:58
  almost every weekend and I just You see a copperhead, you smash
• 48:03
  it with a log. I'm a vegetarian.
• 48:04
  And I want everybody know I love the animals right now but like
• 48:07
  it was just the thing. It was just a thing because my
• 48:08
  parents and my friends parents, which were my parents friends.
• 48:14
  Yeah. But they like they didn't want
• 48:18
  us to get bit by a copperhead because that is like incredibly
• 48:21
  dangerous like we would be out in the water and then we like,
• 48:24
  I'd be like, oh, there's my uncle with the with the lock and
• 48:28
  must be a corporate, you know what I mean?
• 48:30
  Like you just you And those things if you're out in the
• 48:32
  woods enough and I think I am, maybe I'm just an over pair that
• 48:37
  I think if I knew that I was going to be a camp counselor and
• 48:40
  that I was going to be out in the woods, I would want to know,
• 48:42
  a little something about the Flora and Fauna is on saying
• 48:47
  this K, but then we cut from the snakes in also during the snake
• 48:52
  scene but been just collapses when they jump off to it.
• 48:56
  So has the furniture been replaced, since the 50s, I
• 49:01
  forgot about that. Yeah.
• 49:02
  Yeah. How big of a Scenic?
• 49:04
  How big of an order to do? That one is a just destroying
• 49:07
  the whole cabin trying to just collapse, isn't it?
• 49:12
  Like what happens when you've got hyperactive children in
• 49:16
  there and they're jumping on the bed looking at something like,
• 49:21
  you know, I've been thinking. So I just think that Steve is
• 49:25
  that the can't Camp owner is named Eliza.
• 49:28
  Okay. One more Jack.
• 49:29
  Sure it was just Callin, Lumberjack, Lumberjack cover.
• 49:31
  Steve. Yeah, it just it seems like he
• 49:35
  was not prepared because all these counselors are here week
• 49:38
  early. And it's really in there.
• 49:40
  Yes, he's barely even there. And like they're all supposed to
• 49:43
  be responsible for getting the camp.
• 49:45
  Ready, they're putting up Alice is putting up gutters.
• 49:48
  I don't like I mean I know we don't get it to move over
• 49:50
  cleaning crews cleaning how much is put them up.
• 49:53
  There's like Hammer action involved it just he clearly
• 49:59
  wasn't ready for this. I don't think.
• 50:01
  You can pick the type of guy. He's got, he's got Big Ideas,
• 50:03
  he's got big plans, but he lacks on the follow-through.
• 50:07
  Yeah, well we don't really do much how don't get much of him,
• 50:10
  but that's kind of the impression that I get.
• 50:12
  We all know those type of people that wanted to mention during
• 50:16
  that whole scene though I can while they're out there at the
• 50:19
  weekend, he's pretending to drown.
• 50:21
  I thought it was really cool to have like that shot of like
• 50:23
  somebody like spying off in the distance because it kind of
• 50:27
  makes you think it's Ralph like they kind of like plant that
• 50:30
  seed early on Yeah, the Mickey D's in they do because we've got
• 50:34
  that scene and then we got the snake scene and then immediately
• 50:38
  we have the same were Ned is racist and wearing a shirt as a
• 50:42
  diaper. Yeah.
• 50:44
  Why do they have a headdress? Why is Ralph wearing it or
• 50:51
  graph? Y is Ned?
• 50:52
  Wearing it Y is Ned. Why isn't it?
• 50:55
  Why is Ned. He's wearing a shirt as like a
• 50:59
  diaper. I don't know if it's supposed to
• 51:01
  be. Turkey or funny, I don't know.
• 51:02
  He just comes across this incredibly immature but then
• 51:05
  this cop comes up in the club is so hostile.
• 51:09
  He's so fucking hot. Doesn't these kids?
• 51:12
  Which impacts on that? I might be hostile to him but
• 51:14
  he's so off to the all the rest of he's looking for Ralph and I
• 51:18
  gave, but it seems more like it's a welfare situation because
• 51:21
  they know that Ralph has these issues.
• 51:23
  It seems like he's got like some substance abuse history and this
• 51:26
  is my sister. Yeah, he's right looking for
• 51:28
  him. It and it seems like you get the
• 51:30
  impression that the All town and everybody knows Ned and they're
• 51:33
  just trying to like you know, locate him, make sure he's not
• 51:36
  getting into trouble. Make sure he's not hurting
• 51:38
  anyone. Make sure he's not hurting it
• 51:39
  himself. But this cop is so mean to these
• 51:44
  people, he doesn't even know. I think it's kind of par for the
• 51:47
  course for a pop. Okay.
• 51:50
  And maybe, but it doesn't hold up with the rest of the cops.
• 51:54
  We see in the rest of the Michigan State.
• 52:01
  Reason and it almost like is he meant to be a red herring.
• 52:05
  Are we supposed to suspect him? But at this point I think like
• 52:08
  you said, Ralph is meant to be the red herring because rho is
• 52:11
  missing real hits. The can you know, spying on the
• 52:14
  bullshit series just like I'm just left like the cop people
• 52:18
  needlessly mean and it just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:31
  Oh okay my correction Marcy is not the one that wears red is
• 52:35
  Brenda that wears red Brenda wears red and then she wears
• 52:38
  nothing to go have sex with Kevin Bacon in the cabin when it
• 52:41
  starts to rain. That's right.
• 52:43
  That's right here. It's because of Kevin Bacon, by
• 52:46
  the way. I don't think we we don't see
• 52:48
  her dad, right? We see his stuff.
• 52:50
  Yes, it is. This is awesome.
• 52:53
  This is probably the best known of any because that's the one
• 52:56
  where he's like, just laying on the bunk bed and he's like,
• 52:59
  smoking weed and then off Like the arm comes out from
• 53:02
  underneath the bed and grab some just sections, the arrowhead and
• 53:06
  I right through the bed and right there is throat.
• 53:09
  Yes that's that's amazing. That's iconic that Punic Punic
• 53:12
  seen. And I think that is completely
• 53:14
  worth mentioning and it comes out of nowhere.
• 53:18
  Yeah, it runs out. You get the dead body, you get,
• 53:21
  you seen that isn't a bunk above them, like, they haven't noticed
• 53:24
  that of them. But yeah, like that just like
• 53:28
  it's been so long since I've seen that, like, seen as soon as
• 53:30
  a holy shit like that. That was awesome about.
• 53:33
  Yeah, I love it. Yeah, no, that's a great scene.
• 53:37
  I think a big part of the problem that I have with it is
• 53:40
  that all of a sudden Brenda's, like I'm gonna go to the
• 53:42
  bathroom, but she goes out there and just like her shirt and
• 53:45
  panties and it's raining and June's going on my God to that.
• 53:48
  It's like, we're the rest of your clothes.
• 53:50
  What's happening? Why are you, why are you going
• 53:54
  out in these elements? You know what I mean?
• 53:58
  Zipper Billy, I thought she was in the same building, she went
• 54:01
  out. She went out the building.
• 54:03
  I was, if we wrote these notes about a week ago, has been,
• 54:07
  we've been trying to get our equipment situation sorted out.
• 54:13
  But yeah, obviously it's a she yeah they're kind of just like a
• 54:19
  vehicle for this shit that happened.
• 54:21
  Okay. Yeah.
• 54:21
  I didn't like I get it. You do you do the sex and you
• 54:25
  don't always want to put sexy, you do the sex, you do the diet,
• 54:28
  you don't always want to put the pants back on in between and
• 54:31
  then stared. Yeah, well, I feel like they
• 54:33
  really couldn't go again but yeah, going outside and swarm
• 54:37
  and multiply, in other words, it is kind of says it just.
• 54:39
  It doesn't make any sense. And then like, cut in between
• 54:42
  the scene with Kevin Bacon Buying and Brenda not wearing
• 54:44
  pants. We have we have them playing
• 54:47
  strip Monopoly which we talked about earlier and illustrate the
• 54:50
  mean everybody always tripping game ever.
• 54:52
  And we touched on this in our introduction episode, which if
• 54:56
  you didn't listen to it, I don't blame you, don't feel the need
• 54:58
  to go back and listen to it. But my family, it's a great,
• 55:00
  it's incredibly competitive true and we're not allowed to play
• 55:06
  Monopoly anymore and so the whole time they're playing this,
• 55:10
  I'm just like, this is the worst idea because you're going to get
• 55:13
  Get into a fight with somebody and you did, he's gonna be out
• 55:16
  like, I just dislike the, let's look at that diffuses, all of my
• 55:20
  God, still dirty and that game. Like you're naked at the person
• 55:24
  is like it's like imagining like when your public speaking.
• 55:26
  Somebody with no clothes on? No.
• 55:28
  No. That'd be like the same thing
• 55:29
  applies. So I guess just not really your
• 55:30
  Out For Blood and clearly Alice was of the same mindset as me.
• 55:34
  She could probably hang with my family because she's yeah, I
• 55:37
  don't think she took off any clothes.
• 55:39
  Like maybe like a shirt. I don't know.
• 55:41
  But she's just, she's just buying up all Sorry she's
• 55:44
  getting their Grant. Like, she's she's
• 55:45
  unrealistically good and I think this is part of the moment where
• 55:48
  we start to really set her as the final girl because before,
• 55:51
  you know, we have all this ambiguity, we don't have a
• 55:53
  photonic character development for anyone other than like,
• 55:56
  Alice is in this relief. This ambiguous kind of
• 55:59
  relationship with Lumberjack, Steve leg.
• 56:01
  We don't we don't have a real feel for anybody's character at
• 56:06
  this point. Other than that, being a dick.
• 56:08
  And I think this is kind of part of it.
• 56:11
  She's like, I'm smart. You know what I mean?
• 56:14
  Like I feel like that's where that's coming in and then we see
• 56:19
  that like Steve's Jeep Saul's out.
• 56:23
  So he can't drive back to the camp.
• 56:25
  How does he get better? You, he ends up getting a ride
• 56:27
  with a cop. That's right.
• 56:29
  And he drops them off like halfway sticks and that's and
• 56:33
  that's the thing when Miller was talking about writing the
• 56:37
  writing the script, he's like, how do we get all of these teens
• 56:39
  together without any adults around?
• 56:41
  Which obviously means that To be teens, but it's not that that
• 56:45
  makes his relationship with ours.
• 56:46
  All the morning squeaky. What do we know his age?
• 56:49
  I mean he could be like okay our when I say like anybody he's
• 56:54
  obviously in a position of power.
• 56:55
  So yeah, should be doing this is such a sorry.
• 56:59
  Yeah, I don't know, it's just, it's I'm just uncomfortable with
• 57:04
  it. I don't.
• 57:04
  I need a little bit more clear lines to know how I feel about
• 57:08
  their relationship. But yeah, so he's just have
• 57:13
  always on his Steve his his Jeep just stalled out his seizure I
• 57:17
  said Steve because I was like Jeep stalls and we're also
• 57:20
  talking about a jack Steve. Yeah, but yeah, his Jeep just
• 57:25
  stalls out and we don't really have any reason why I don't, I
• 57:28
  don't drive a Jeep. So I don't know if this is a
• 57:30
  common problem with Jeeps but it just stalls out.
• 57:33
  So it just feels like very convenient, you know, it's like
• 57:35
  in my, like, in modern day for where they have to find a good
• 57:39
  reason for cell phones, not to be working because That's the
• 57:42
  thing that look, what are you? Just call for help.
• 57:44
  You always hope so phone service.
• 57:45
  You know what I mean? Like the strangers always like,
• 57:47
  smash their phones. And yeah, and your next, they
• 57:51
  put up the blocker like they make it very explicit.
• 57:53
  Why you cannot but the thing is he's okay.
• 57:56
  I feel like, the reason that that happens is one bike.
• 57:59
  You can't have his Jeep already there.
• 58:01
  When mrs. Ortiz like comes back, we're
• 58:04
  gonna have to make it think that it's him.
• 58:07
  That's there. I agree.
• 58:08
  And also he makes it back there on his own.
• 58:11
  Get back here. I just want to know why his Jeep
• 58:14
  start out, even if it had been one line.
• 58:17
  When he was like, I'm gonna go to town and like he had a false
• 58:20
  start with his Jeep and he like piece of shit.
• 58:22
  I need to replace the alternator or whatever.
• 58:24
  I don't know anything about cars.
• 58:25
  I don't know what causes and think this all out but you know
• 58:29
  if we have any kind of context is to like oh this could be a
• 58:31
  potential problem later, but we don't it's just like all of a
• 58:35
  sudden his car can view does not work.
• 58:37
  That's hands. So it slows him down, getting a
• 58:40
  ride back from the sheriff and It also means that when mrs.
• 58:43
  Voorhees Jeep pulls up, they think that it's Steve's.
• 58:45
  Yeah, which is all fine. And well to give the impression
• 58:48
  that it's Steve coming back but we don't really it just.
• 58:52
  It feels very convenient which means it feels a little lazy to
• 58:55
  me. Okay, I can see that.
• 58:58
  I mean they could have made that Roi go in that except just kind
• 59:03
  of magically comes up to you. And like if you got to do
• 59:05
  something you probably should like make like put some hints
• 59:09
  earlier on in the film. I mean kind of like that.
• 59:11
  It was like you know the boy drowning when the Annie is
• 59:16
  getting the ride from the truck driver whatever.
• 59:18
  You know. They're put, like they're laying
• 59:20
  the groundwork about what pick who the actual killer is like
• 59:24
  the reason the motivation behind it.
• 59:26
  But I mean, you know, which gets us to the point I guess Sporty's
• 59:32
  finally does show up. I don't know, it's so okay as a
• 59:38
  point, but Steve's Jeep. Stalled out shit.
• 59:41
  Going haywire back at the camp, right?
• 59:43
  Cause it's like, Kevin Bacon has been narrowed through the
• 59:46
  throat, Brenda has been murdered.
• 59:48
  Pantsless out in the rain, Ned died at some point and nobody
• 59:52
  cared and then there's a girl that goes out and goes to the
• 59:57
  archery range and I go out in this storm.
• 1:00:00
  She's the one that's in red, right?
• 1:00:02
  The yeah, that's Brenda. That's what I was saying.
• 1:00:04
  Quite as she leave her close-up. Yeah. yeah, we've got Where's my
• 1:00:12
  note about Mars City? Yeah.
• 1:00:16
  So Marcy had gone out after they finish their strip - strip
• 1:00:19
  Monopoly and she's she's out at Lake.
• 1:00:23
  Whatever they can't bathroom shower area.
• 1:00:26
  Whatever is all of this same. Yes.
• 1:00:28
  And it's not like she's just, she's making impressions in the
• 1:00:31
  mirror, she's quoting movies and like that.
• 1:00:33
  That's what I'm talking about. You get that tiny little bit of
• 1:00:35
  character development with her. Yeah, I was like oh cool.
• 1:00:38
  She talks to herself like that's kind of funny I kind of
• 1:00:40
  appreciate it very much. Was it right there?
• 1:00:42
  Yes. And like she's also I really
• 1:00:46
  appreciated also that she had like frizzy hair from the rain
• 1:00:50
  and because we don't often see realistic hair for trails and
• 1:00:53
  routes. Yeah, we watched wanted which
• 1:00:57
  was a great movie but I had a lot of complaints about the hair
• 1:01:01
  and makeup. Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  And they had the hair thing like they gave, they gave Marcy.
• 1:01:06
  Realistically frizzy hair. If you go out in the rain your
• 1:01:08
  hair is going to be really frizzy.
• 1:01:11
  And then that, so she gets killed in this bathroom that is
• 1:01:16
  Sarah, that was awesome. When you get to that shot and
• 1:01:19
  like into the shower and a PC, like the movement back there,
• 1:01:23
  I'll look, I feel like it could have been edited a little bit
• 1:01:25
  better because it So, like I was talking about earlier with the,
• 1:01:32
  with the fight flight or freeze, right?
• 1:01:34
  And it seemed like she was meant to freeze, but it didn't look
• 1:01:36
  like she was frozen. It looked like she was given a
• 1:01:39
  stage direction that like, you're going to see the Killer.
• 1:01:41
  And you're just going to wait for her to kill you, that was
• 1:01:44
  another one off screen, right? Yes.
• 1:01:46
  So, he didn't even show her like investigate, I did, she just say
• 1:01:50
  she's yeah, she's just in the bathrooms and then all of a
• 1:01:53
  sudden she turns around and the Killer's there and she just
• 1:01:56
  doesn't move. It's like a whole five seconds.
• 1:01:58
  Out of her that she just doesn't move and it's just like she
• 1:02:03
  could look more Frozen in fear, you know what I mean?
• 1:02:06
  Like I just feel like it, maybe it was not the best Direction
• 1:02:08
  given to her because it seemed like she was just told to like,
• 1:02:12
  Sauce when she's yeah, like just stop when she sees the killer,
• 1:02:16
  but it doesn't feel like she's stopping out of fear to me.
• 1:02:19
  It's just, she's like, oh, because especially, like in
• 1:02:23
  retrospect when you're watching the movie, you know, this is
• 1:02:26
  woman that's in like a turtleneck sweater like know
• 1:02:29
  this point, but she's holed, that's what I'm saying, that
• 1:02:31
  respect. Like, you know, that's what
• 1:02:34
  she's seeing. Yeah.
• 1:02:35
  But like this woman with this weapon and then the light goes
• 1:02:38
  out, but it's like, did the axe hit the light when she was
• 1:02:41
  swinging. It in which case that's load the
• 1:02:44
  momentum down and shouldn't have killed her right away.
• 1:02:47
  I just really over thought mercies death because it just,
• 1:02:50
  it didn't, it didn't flow, as neatly as I felt like it should
• 1:02:53
  have. I feel like that scene could
• 1:02:54
  have been cut by about 10 or 15 seconds and it would have been
• 1:02:56
  much more effective for me. Because I did, I did like Mercy.
• 1:03:00
  She was a heart weirdo. I thought it was nice.
• 1:03:02
  Yeah, I love this. Um, like I said, I like that
• 1:03:05
  whole set of how I cow like there.
• 1:03:07
  She's in there doing that and there's that moving in like the
• 1:03:11
  showers. And behind the curtain and you
• 1:03:13
  can like see the killer of actually really plays on our
• 1:03:16
  Primal fears. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:18
  Look, it's a very real thing. I mean, even in the mornings
• 1:03:21
  when I wake up before you to shower and I'm like, any the
• 1:03:24
  peak behind the shower, curtain before I get ya like before I
• 1:03:28
  get to talk about in here and pick on the shower, make sure
• 1:03:30
  that I'm not gonna get killed this is down but yeah it just it
• 1:03:36
  just becomes this whole thing and this is where shit is like
• 1:03:38
  hittin the fan across the camp. Like they're aware that
• 1:03:41
  something weird. Is going on like Alice is like,
• 1:03:43
  oh no things aren't right. And this is where I start to
• 1:03:46
  have a problem with Alice as a final girl because like I said
• 1:03:51
  we got some ambiguity. I don't know how I feel about
• 1:03:54
  her as a character yet and that's fine.
• 1:03:56
  Like maybe we'll get some more development and we do get some
• 1:03:58
  more development on her. But at this point, like she's
• 1:04:01
  calling Bill to come help her think she's like built.
• 1:04:05
  There's a scream at the archery range and now the lights are
• 1:04:08
  out. Can you go check it out and
• 1:04:09
  like, she's not doing anything herself and it stays Kind of
• 1:04:12
  like really frustrate me and then like the generator goes
• 1:04:15
  out. And then usually bill can you
• 1:04:18
  can fix the generator and he's like, go have a nap on the couch
• 1:04:22
  and it's just like what is she doing herself?
• 1:04:24
  I really want to have a strong female character to root for and
• 1:04:28
  I just don't feel like she is completely strong until the
• 1:04:31
  moment that she is forced to being strong.
• 1:04:33
  And it's kind of frustrating to me.
• 1:04:35
  I don't think there's anything wrong with character growth and
• 1:04:38
  like being like a Meek person and they halfway show, her being
• 1:04:42
  meek and unsure of herself with the Holy.
• 1:04:44
  I don't know if I'm going to stay at the camp or not.
• 1:04:46
  Not. But I just, it's not enough for
• 1:04:48
  me to feel that full character development from her.
• 1:04:51
  And it's just, it's frustrating because it's like, how do I root
• 1:04:54
  for somebody that has like, been asking other people to take care
• 1:04:58
  of things for her this whole time?
• 1:05:00
  You know what I mean? Maybe that's kind of part of
• 1:05:03
  like how like at the end when shit gets real and everybody's
• 1:05:08
  dead. She has to face these fears or
• 1:05:10
  so like Casey's issues buyers. So you know, I maybe that's part
• 1:05:15
  of the setup like Guess we don't see enough of that.
• 1:05:19
  They make this from her right from the beginning.
• 1:05:22
  We see a little bit of, you know, I'm sure.
• 1:05:24
  But it's not and just it doesn't feel like enough and it's not
• 1:05:27
  enough for me to root for her, you know what I mean?
• 1:05:30
  Yeah. Would you rather rude for Marcy
• 1:05:35
  or where anyone probably Marcy was at least like she's a little
• 1:05:39
  bit more interesting. Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Then bill is out there checking out for archery and he gets up.
• 1:05:48
  He earned no he's not checking out the archery at this point
• 1:05:51
  Alice comes out of the cabin and she's that bill has been killed
• 1:05:54
  with arrows and I just wrote while I was building one killed
• 1:05:57
  with arrows. Why was it not Ned?
• 1:05:59
  Since he was willing to try and shoot his friends with are
• 1:06:02
  that's a good point. They should have done that.
• 1:06:04
  That would have been perfect. Yeah, that's like payback for
• 1:06:07
  being such an asshole. Yes, I just I thought that would
• 1:06:12
  have Made me feel a lot better. You guys.
• 1:06:16
  How you over here to this way? Yeah, we got we got tire has a
• 1:06:19
  crinkly toy that she's decided that she needs to bring out in
• 1:06:22
  the things I got moment because she knows, we're getting ready
• 1:06:24
  to talk to her rating on this movie, but we're not quite there
• 1:06:29
  yet. Pop, let us finish up rather the
• 1:06:33
  point where it's Alice versus yes, it's Alice versus mrs.
• 1:06:36
  Voorhees. And So she's figured out that
• 1:06:40
  the Jeep is not Steve and she goes back into the cabin and it
• 1:06:43
  was a smart idea for her to barricade.
• 1:06:45
  I will give her that like, she's like, tying the rope and all of
• 1:06:48
  this and that. So she put the door swings
• 1:06:51
  outward. So why was she putting?
• 1:06:53
  Why does she play so much time? And effort to put them are like
• 1:06:56
  his. I get that A Bear cake is slow
• 1:06:58
  somebody down but like the like the door swings out and then she
• 1:07:03
  decides that she's gonna leave the cabin because somebody's
• 1:07:07
  body gets thrown through the window, right?
• 1:07:08
  Start she decides. She's gonna run through the
• 1:07:10
  front door. She moves the barricade in like,
• 1:07:12
  five seconds. So, it wasn't even enough of a
• 1:07:14
  barricade to slow somebody down. No.
• 1:07:16
  Right. This is just, you know, it's
• 1:07:19
  like the beginning with the girl throwing the box.
• 1:07:21
  Like she's like shit. I got that.
• 1:07:23
  I throw shit bud or because that's what you do in this
• 1:07:25
  scenario. I mean I've got there was at
• 1:07:27
  least a little bit more of line of logic with that and I will I
• 1:07:32
  will give some credit to that but it just it's it was kind of
• 1:07:36
  like she made she made an okay dish.
• 1:07:38
  Decision. But I still wish it had been
• 1:07:41
  better, but then she then she goes to the Jeep and finds any
• 1:07:47
  is dead body in there and decides that, that means that
• 1:07:51
  she can't drive the Jeep. And I don't get that decision
• 1:07:55
  either because, yeah, it's really traumatic to see a dead
• 1:07:57
  body. But if you yourself do not want
• 1:07:59
  to be in a dead body, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:02
  Wait, I agree with you? And it's almost like, did mrs.
• 1:08:06
  Voorhees know this was gonna happen because she killed Any
• 1:08:09
  out in the woods up against the tree after Annie had ran bit.
• 1:08:13
  So does she carry any back to the Jeep?
• 1:08:15
  So for this exact moment you gotta like this supposed to have
• 1:08:19
  it in something like yeah, I don't know how really think that
• 1:08:24
  she is running with like a game plan here.
• 1:08:27
  She's just like oh, are you a camp, counselor?
• 1:08:29
  Okay, cool. I'm going to kill you like,
• 1:08:31
  that's it. Like this like the motivation
• 1:08:33
  here? It's very loose okay and she's
• 1:08:37
  just somebody who she snapped and she's the old people for
• 1:08:44
  being a camp. Counselor please.
• 1:08:45
  And then then this is this is where it comes down to.
• 1:08:49
  And Mrs. Voorhees gives Alice all of this explanation as to
• 1:08:58
  why she's doing the killing, which leads me.
• 1:09:01
  To wonder was mrs. Voorhees, given the script
• 1:09:04
  beforehand to be like, oh, this is the character get that gets
• 1:09:08
  the most development. This is the character.
• 1:09:10
  Get that gets to hear evil master plan?
• 1:09:13
  No, I'm talking about mrs. Voorhees, as a character, why
• 1:09:16
  did she decide that Alice gets to hear what her master plan is?
• 1:09:20
  Why did she decide that she's going to Snack Alice around a
• 1:09:23
  little bit before killing her. She's here she is.
• 1:09:26
  That's what I'm gonna do is, is dead right away.
• 1:09:29
  It's what I can do, why? Because she actually have a
• 1:09:32
  fire. She tried killing Alice first.
• 1:09:35
  Well, first of all, I mean, you kind of see it beginning like
• 1:09:38
  what she gives any the right. First of all, she doesn't know
• 1:09:43
  that a is again counseling. So I guess that's probably why
• 1:09:46
  she's saving her right in the first place.
• 1:09:48
  If she doesn't like kill her immediately, she fucks with her.
• 1:09:50
  Okay, she's just chases her. If she doesn't fuck with her
• 1:09:53
  that's kind of popping with her that she like she drops her.
• 1:09:55
  Okay. Do you not remember like she
• 1:09:58
  drops her off and then she like, I think I'm remembering this
• 1:10:02
  fight. She like backs up.
• 1:10:03
  Yeah, thanks back. To yeah, basically Amy forces.
• 1:10:06
  Her way out of the Jeep and then she like comes back and she is
• 1:10:09
  her, but she doesn't give her this whole back story about why
• 1:10:12
  she's doing it. It's only played it on this part
• 1:10:15
  of the movie, feel like finally, like make it a reveal.
• 1:10:19
  You don't know what's happened beforehand, like Owen.
• 1:10:22
  The ones that we few that we've seen on screen, which of those
• 1:10:25
  are quick. But, you know, it just, it just
• 1:10:29
  is so weird to me, and it's kind of part of the problem that I
• 1:10:32
  have with mrs. Voorhees is it tiller in this
• 1:10:34
  first movie? Because it feels like her
• 1:10:36
  motivation, is really unclear because the whole, the whole
• 1:10:41
  Friday, the 13th. If you ask why people get killed
• 1:10:44
  because they have sex, right? That's what we experience.
• 1:10:47
  Has no with the Friday, the 13th series as a whole.
• 1:10:52
  If you have sex, you die, that's the immediate Association.
• 1:10:55
  I think a lot of people have it's the immediate Association I
• 1:10:58
  have and it makes sense when Jason comes back because that's
• 1:11:01
  his hard-and-fast rule with it. And this is for he says that she
• 1:11:04
  wants to stop the camp from opening which makes sense.
• 1:11:07
  You know she's got the fires you know she's got the poison water.
• 1:11:10
  Like all of that makes sense. But then she's the first person
• 1:11:14
  she kills from this new season of campers and camping is any
• 1:11:19
  who says that she loves kids and she really wants to be there to
• 1:11:22
  take care. Them.
• 1:11:23
  So why isn't any the final girl? You know what I mean?
• 1:11:25
  I thought that she was going to be the final girl.
• 1:11:28
  Like it's been so long since I saw this is like oh is this her?
• 1:11:31
  Like I I kind of thought that that was cool.
• 1:11:35
  Okay. So it peel off.
• 1:11:36
  This person that you think it's going to be the final girl.
• 1:11:39
  I mean, I get what you're saying, you're making good
• 1:11:41
  points like it's kind of silly to just, you know, kill these
• 1:11:46
  people who don't have the same intentions as like pass cancers
• 1:11:50
  like, you don't know if this person is good.
• 1:11:52
  If she wanted to kill Ned, this phone.
• 1:11:59
  It might be a little bit harsh, but definitely you should have
• 1:12:02
  been fired. Like, it seems like he doesn't
• 1:12:03
  need to work at this Camp. That's one thing.
• 1:12:05
  Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 1:12:06
  And she's like, well, Kevin Bacon is like, taking off this
• 1:12:09
  Sunday shoes all the way that's cool.
• 1:12:11
  Like, I just her motivations, feel a little unclear and I
• 1:12:16
  think she's so far driven by grief and it's just like they
• 1:12:21
  try to give her this Reason of why she's doing this killing,
• 1:12:24
  but it's not really consistent in.
• 1:12:26
  This is what is going to bring me to probably the most
• 1:12:31
  controversial opinion. I will share tonight, which is
• 1:12:38
  that I do not like the ending of this movie that that is.
• 1:12:48
  So I'm sorry. I woke you but that is stupid
• 1:12:51
  like this. Such a good?
• 1:12:53
  Okay, I'll okay. That everything ended if we had
• 1:12:57
  ended with Alice decapitating mrs.
• 1:13:01
  Voorhees on the beach, I would say that there's there's a
• 1:13:04
  character Arc there, you know what I mean?
• 1:13:06
  Like, it's not, it's not great. It could be flushed out more.
• 1:13:09
  But like we see like, you know, shit from the beginning of the
• 1:13:12
  movie where she's like, I don't know if I'm gonna stay or not to
• 1:13:14
  like, you know, I'm going to kind of hit mrs.
• 1:13:17
  Voorhees when she's attacking me too.
• 1:13:19
  I'm going to straight up top of your de tete.
• 1:13:24
  Like that is that's a whole character Arc.
• 1:13:26
  If she, if it, it ended with that, I would accept that as an
• 1:13:30
  ending, right? Because we've had this whole
• 1:13:33
  thing of, is this a paranormal issue with this Camp?
• 1:13:37
  Is this a realistic issue? Is there somebody that's
• 1:13:39
  obvious. Sabotage it, and we've had this
• 1:13:41
  whole like past 15-20 minute, Chase of mrs.
• 1:13:44
  Voorhees following Alice around the camp explaining to her.
• 1:13:47
  Why she's been doing the things she's been doing so we're like,
• 1:13:50
  okay, this is firmly rooted in reality, she's upset and she's
• 1:13:54
  got a reason to be, you know, probably not the best way to
• 1:13:58
  react but it makes sense. Yeah, in its own way.
• 1:14:03
  If it follows horror movie logic, right?
• 1:14:06
  Yeah, but then, She knows that the killer has been decapitated
• 1:14:11
  because she just did and she gets into a canoe to go out into
• 1:14:15
  the middle of the lake. And then we've got the music and
• 1:14:20
  this is where I wrote the note about the music because I love
• 1:14:22
  the music throughout. I was great, just he did such a
• 1:14:26
  good job at the music. It felt so intentional because
• 1:14:29
  you don't have these random Cuts between music, you don't have
• 1:14:31
  random background music. Like you have, it's all very
• 1:14:34
  intentional and it feels very intentional and that's including
• 1:14:36
  when she was like floating on the lake and you see Cops
• 1:14:39
  coming. And even though this is the
• 1:14:40
  first instance of like peaceful music, non ominous music, you
• 1:14:44
  have kind of a sense that something more is coming, right?
• 1:14:48
  And even talked about it in the behind the scenes like he was
• 1:14:50
  talking about, you know, I want to do this like what would be
• 1:14:54
  seen as a closing credit Fade Out music and like you're just
• 1:14:56
  waiting for the credits to roll, you know.
• 1:14:59
  Yeah, he said, I have a friend like they like, okay uh, you
• 1:15:02
  know, somebody to give enough room for And it was it was
• 1:15:10
  really well done and I will give it any minute and that there
• 1:15:12
  that would be fine. Jason jumping up, did not do
• 1:15:15
  anything for me other than being a cheap scare because it didn't
• 1:15:19
  it didn't fall into The Narrative of the movie because
• 1:15:22
  all of a sudden we have this child who died.
• 1:15:26
  What like 20 years ago was a long time like he did but he's
• 1:15:31
  still alive and he's jumping out of the lake and it wasn't just
• 1:15:35
  his mom. Or was it just his mom?
• 1:15:37
  Did she not know that he's still alive?
• 1:15:38
  Because maybe she wouldn't be doing all this if he was still
• 1:15:40
  alive, and it just it ruins everything that we have built up
• 1:15:46
  until this point, okay? Ruins it for me and I know that
• 1:15:51
  this is seen as one of the best moments and Horror history, but
• 1:15:55
  I just am like the moment itself if you take the scene on its
• 1:15:58
  own. Cool, it's scary.
• 1:16:00
  Yeah, and that's fine. And they even talk it that is
• 1:16:06
  seen is also in and of itself a ripoff because they talk about
• 1:16:08
  how they ripped it off scary. Yeah.
• 1:16:11
  And that's the only reason it was added eggs.
• 1:16:13
  They felt like they needed one final jump scare and this, I
• 1:16:15
  think is part of her, you know, people just hate jump-scares
• 1:16:18
  because they don't always make sense within the context and
• 1:16:21
  story of a movie. And this is one of those that,
• 1:16:23
  it just doesn't make sense for me because we've got this whole,
• 1:16:28
  this whole story that's just happened, everything has wrapped
• 1:16:30
  up besides, you know, her getting her final girl, you
• 1:16:33
  know, like I am officially safe or am I you know what I mean?
• 1:16:37
  Yeah, then she get the the or a mine comes from this character
• 1:16:42
  that we've been told is dead and we've been told that this whole
• 1:16:45
  movie is based on reality but suddenly maybe it's paranormal.
• 1:16:48
  And we know from later movies, there's definitely a mom
• 1:16:50
  element. I don't know.
• 1:16:51
  It just no, really it ruined, the emotional impact of
• 1:16:54
  everything for me. It just it straight up ruined
• 1:16:59
  it, okay? Those are actually some good
• 1:17:02
  ones. Okay, I guess Hearing initially
• 1:17:05
  that you don't like the ending of this movie.
• 1:17:08
  Like that is crazy for me. Because I mean, despite what you
• 1:17:12
  say I was so it kind of just comes out of nowhere, like, I
• 1:17:17
  understand that it's a ripoff of carrying like that kind of
• 1:17:21
  cheapens it a little bit for me that's like, the what bothers me
• 1:17:24
  about it? Well, it bothers me a little bit
• 1:17:27
  but like, I don't know man. I love that stuff like anything.
• 1:17:30
  Unsaid unexpected like that. My mom's don't bother me because
• 1:17:33
  there's only like, Many stories on the wheel.
• 1:17:35
  You just have to do it well on your out.
• 1:17:37
  And I just feel like this movie didn't necessarily do everything
• 1:17:39
  well, and it's on. See, I disagree.
• 1:17:41
  I felt like it is the top one by one.
• 1:17:44
  I love. I love that kind of set up.
• 1:17:46
  Yeah, it's a great setup that I will thoroughly enjoy watching
• 1:17:49
  all the time. But if I'm going to look at it
• 1:17:51
  through this lens, no I don't think it's effective.
• 1:17:53
  I don't think it necessarily deserves to be considered a
• 1:17:56
  classic because it just isn't done as well as it could be.
• 1:18:00
  And same thing with this final jump-scare moment, it could be
• 1:18:03
  done really well. Well, at the end of the movie,
• 1:18:05
  regardless of what it's being ripped off or not, it's off from
• 1:18:08
  but it just doesn't fit the story.
• 1:18:10
  Oh, okay. To be fair at the end.
• 1:18:14
  When she's at the hospital, she's talking to the cop and
• 1:18:18
  she's like what about the boy is like we didn't see a boy like
• 1:18:24
  they didn't. I intend for that character to
• 1:18:26
  come back. This was like plan as a single
• 1:18:29
  movie. Okay, they did have the little
• 1:18:32
  or case they did. No not one.
• 1:18:34
  They have Amelia's where they like being a shy of the way.
• 1:18:38
  Can you see air bubbles? So, and Mike was like, another
• 1:18:42
  little bit of Doubt into it, but like it's not anything concrete,
• 1:18:46
  like it doesn't immediately like beer it into Supernatural.
• 1:18:50
  Shit. Like it's like, Really, what it
• 1:18:54
  is is it's a jump-scare at the end, and it's a really well
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  done. One like our old think, it's a
• 1:18:59
  cheap jumps are at all. I think it's really well done,
• 1:19:02
  and it's just kind of also there to just kind of plan a little
• 1:19:07
  bit about like, was that real? Like, I don't know, I just, I
• 1:19:11
  feel like, I feel like it, ruins what little emotion we were able
• 1:19:15
  to build up throughout the movie.
• 1:19:17
  It completely negate said. Okay, that's yeah, that's fair.
• 1:19:21
  It kind of does like case of what you said.
• 1:19:23
  Did the movie was building until it's one of those movies that if
• 1:19:28
  you and I were watching and it came out in 2021 and we watched
• 1:19:32
  it and that ending happened. You would be pissed.
• 1:19:36
  I've seen you have reactions to movies that have like that, do
• 1:19:40
  that extra like it's all good. It was executed poorly than I
• 1:19:44
  would probably. Wait, I'll probably hate this
• 1:19:46
  one. I had to it was executed poorly,
• 1:19:48
  but it's all about the execution.
• 1:19:50
  With this right here, I feel like that's kind of like when it
• 1:19:53
  comes out. Down to it.
• 1:19:54
  That's the difference between you and me with this movie.
• 1:19:56
  Now, you care. A lot about what?
• 1:19:58
  It's like beneath the surface. Like kind of what drives the
• 1:20:02
  movie Scooby is All Surface though.
• 1:20:04
  Travis exactly. You're not getting the things.
• 1:20:09
  I like, kind of drive you to care for these things or like,
• 1:20:12
  Entertain You for me. I take it for what it is and I
• 1:20:18
  appreciate it for what it is. I don't think it's trying to
• 1:20:20
  like, be like anything to eat my hat.
• 1:20:23
  Is doing its just trying to be a scary movie.
• 1:20:27
  It's ripping off some of my previous successful, scary
• 1:20:31
  movies and it's doing a good job.
• 1:20:35
  Ripping those things off like it's doing the same except for
• 1:20:39
  things but it's doing enough different to like set it apart,
• 1:20:44
  but I don't think it's doing enough different but also doing
• 1:20:46
  enough different. Well, that's where we disagree
• 1:20:49
  because I feel like it's doing a great job of all.
• 1:20:52
  You everything that's Student. I mean, you've brought up a lot
• 1:20:55
  of points like it. Yeah.
• 1:20:57
  It's and here's the thing, when we're going to talk about all
• 1:21:00
  different is the 13th movies. We're not going to do them all
• 1:21:03
  in order because we are, I want a burger.
• 1:21:05
  I slept on casts and we're not going to do what?
• 1:21:12
  Well, there's 12 news that we're not going to do three straight
• 1:21:16
  months of Friday, the 13th and just because that's who wants
• 1:21:20
  that. Some people want that.
• 1:21:21
  I don't want that do that either.
• 1:21:23
  We're probably going to do about one of us.
• 1:21:25
  So, over the next year we'll go over them.
• 1:21:27
  And I think in later movies, I'm going to have much more
• 1:21:30
  favourable opinions because they're going to be a lot more
• 1:21:32
  aware of what they are. That's why I love Camp because
• 1:21:35
  it knows what it is and this movie.
• 1:21:37
  I feel like it has so many great almonds, but there were so many
• 1:21:40
  poor elements and they just competed in a way that was not
• 1:21:43
  compatible for me. Well, we've gone through
• 1:21:51
  basically the whole movie. Do you want to do final ratings?
• 1:21:56
  Let me see. Let me make sure I don't have
• 1:21:57
  any special notes from bahat. The behind-the-scenes stuff that
• 1:22:01
  we launched and basically all things at 8:00 Adrian, King,
• 1:22:06
  made a poster for the film. Wait, what?
• 1:22:08
  She? Yeah, that she, when we watch
• 1:22:10
  the little bit with Sean Cunningham because he's got the
• 1:22:13
  studio in his house, which I think is kind of cool.
• 1:22:15
  Like, you always, he never expected all this, to take off
• 1:22:18
  the way it did and apparently Adrienne King.
• 1:22:20
  She made it. She made a poster of the film
• 1:22:22
  and gifted it to him and I was like, that's pretty cool.
• 1:22:25
  She seems on all like a fun person but that all extra was
• 1:22:31
  she really didn't want to come back for the second one because
• 1:22:33
  she was having stocking issues. Which that's how it's scary.
• 1:22:37
  Um, but yeah, she's he like she seemed to just really enjoy the
• 1:22:41
  experience for what it was and she seems like she's got a whole
• 1:22:44
  lot going on, you know, like making the poster.
• 1:22:47
  I love, I love knowing that she did that.
• 1:22:50
  But I also thought it was really funny because we saw some
• 1:22:54
  footage from them at a Comic-Con or scared.
• 1:22:59
  Yeah, it convention. And she did, she did a scream
• 1:23:03
  because she knew she was known. What she was.
• 1:23:06
  She was known for her scream. That's how she got hired, and I
• 1:23:08
  just had flashbacks to the Halloween costume contest at our
• 1:23:13
  favorite local Brewery where I want a screaming contest.
• 1:23:17
  So Adrian, King Somewhere Out There, And you are listening and
• 1:23:21
  you want to scream together sometime, just let me know, make
• 1:23:25
  it happen. I would love some, you know, it
• 1:23:28
  scared us. Hopefully.
• 1:23:29
  Yeah. Sia the conventions that I also
• 1:23:39
  wrote that Tom savini Anna. Tom savini looks like Julian
• 1:23:42
  from Trailer Park Boys and I just want I want everybody else
• 1:23:45
  to have that same mental picture that I have.
• 1:23:47
  It's important to me because he's like, he's got the hair,
• 1:23:50
  he's got facial. Facial hair to about sweatshirt,
• 1:23:55
  like maybe I have in my head. Now, I might hand Cannon, is
• 1:24:00
  that they Julian off of Tom savini because I bet, I bet in
• 1:24:05
  an alternate Trailer Park, Boys timeline.
• 1:24:08
  They that Julian does special effects makeup like, for, for
• 1:24:12
  one of them. J.
• 1:24:17
  Rocs like wonderful. Yeah, like you guys, especially
• 1:24:20
  those that make up on a chair. Passport knows?
• 1:24:23
  Yeah, I guess you. Mmm.
• 1:24:27
  Yeah, I think. The Lost Tales of Camp Blood
• 1:24:32
  part one. That's what we're talking about.
• 1:24:34
  But weird. Oh then it's a I think it's kind
• 1:24:39
  of like a fan mean film. So I it's each part is like I
• 1:24:44
  think just put into each different discs of each movie.
• 1:24:48
  Okay. That one came with part one and
• 1:24:49
  then you get the other part says as it goes on it was really
• 1:24:53
  weird though. I don't That's a different
• 1:24:56
  thing. It's like yeah it was kind of
• 1:24:59
  like they have some cool kills in there, probably cooler than
• 1:25:01
  in the first actual. Okay.
• 1:25:05
  Not as cool effects. I'm just saying like cooler kill
• 1:25:08
  Concepts. I'm not, I'm not trying to say
• 1:25:10
  anybody's better than Tom savini.
• 1:25:12
  I'm good. I'm just so.
• 1:25:14
  Okay, okay, okay, so now that we've had a good thorough
• 1:25:17
  debate. Let's see if we've changed each
• 1:25:19
  other's minds any and give our final hour, doing ratings out of
• 1:25:22
  10 instead of out of the traditional 45, because Is I
• 1:25:26
  have my master of science and I believe insensitivity is scales
• 1:25:30
  to really try and understand. if change is actually occurred with
• 1:25:37
  it significant, Don't be expecting any p-values for me
• 1:25:41
  though, because I'm happy that all right, Travis, right?
• 1:25:45
  Your rating of how you feel about this movie after we've
• 1:25:48
  talked, Okay, I got mine. All right, what's yours?
• 1:25:59
  You've actually convinced me to lower it, just a tad.
• 1:26:01
  A six out of ten, it's not much, but you made some good points.
• 1:26:05
  It is kind of a very surface level movie and they have wax a
• 1:26:09
  lot of like oh no easily, they want to things like they could
• 1:26:14
  have laid the ground. Better for a lot of things.
• 1:26:19
  But also, I feel like that's kind of in certain areas like
• 1:26:23
  its strong point, like it doesn't Explain everything.
• 1:26:29
  So you don't really know what to expect.
• 1:26:31
  If I mean when you see this is more, he's at the end of the
• 1:26:34
  movie that kind of comes out of nowhere.
• 1:26:37
  Like they've barely laid the groundwork for that earlier in
• 1:26:39
  the movie, when like the truck driver is like explaining about
• 1:26:43
  like the incident back in the day, but you know, Yeah.
• 1:26:48
  Well my rain stayed the same and so six out of ten but my
• 1:26:52
  reasoning is different because it's not just like oh it's
• 1:26:55
  better than I remembered, it's that it's got some decent, some
• 1:26:59
  decent jumps, some decent moments.
• 1:27:01
  I just feel like it's lacking in a lot of things.
• 1:27:04
  So same score different reasoning but our average score
• 1:27:07
  went down from six point five to six point.
• 1:27:09
  Oh, so I think we're going to call this around.
• 1:27:11
  Jesse, Jesse Owens, just evens and then we're gonna Gonna go on
• 1:27:17
  to talia's rating because, like we said, normally the first
• 1:27:20
  thing tell you, doesn't we start to watch a movie.
• 1:27:22
  Is she scratches at their door to go out?
• 1:27:25
  We live in an apartment, so it's not as simple as just letting
• 1:27:27
  her out, into our backyard. We have to put her harness on
• 1:27:30
  her. Sometimes her sweater if it's
• 1:27:31
  cold out, it's a whole thing. But for this movie, Talia
• 1:27:37
  actually did not scratch any amount of time.
• 1:27:40
  String is moving. She actually watched it.
• 1:27:43
  Look, watch this. She watched the beginning.
• 1:27:45
  I wrote it down. I wrote it down.
• 1:27:46
  She Watch the beginning scene with Claudette.
• 1:27:51
  With Claudette and her boy toy. And then she watched the dog,
• 1:27:54
  and then, she went to sleep, I'm dog doesn't highlight using the
• 1:27:57
  dog, son. Yes.
• 1:27:58
  After the dog was when she was done.
• 1:27:59
  And she slept until the very end where she started barking in her
• 1:28:03
  sleep and then she farted herself awake.
• 1:28:05
  So I'm going to taking all of that into account, I'm going to
• 1:28:08
  say that Talia is probably an agreement with us that it's a 6
• 1:28:11
  out of 10, you know, not enough to go outside but you know maybe
• 1:28:15
  enough to think about going outside via the book gases
• 1:28:18
  Greener that going on. So yes, yes.
• 1:28:21
  Okay, that's fair. I think.
• 1:28:22
  That's right. Alright.
• 1:28:24
  And one final thing to discuss with this movie this week, which
• 1:28:30
  character did you relate to the most while you were watching
• 1:28:33
  this me, I feel like it's got to be Kevin Bacon.
• 1:28:43
  I remember his name, but sugar work, he was the most chill out
• 1:28:47
  of them. I don't know.
• 1:28:49
  He was the most Well, I don't think I'm in the head.
• 1:28:56
  I could say house because, you know, I feel like I share a lot
• 1:29:00
  of characteristics with her, but I don't know.
• 1:29:02
  I feel like Kevin Bacon was just he wasn't that nice.
• 1:29:05
  Good guy. He was just like a guy that is
• 1:29:09
  just hanging out there. You seem like a good.
• 1:29:10
  Look at it and really delve into his character that much, but he
• 1:29:15
  was there to teach kids how to do camp and You know, not who is
• 1:29:22
  escape. I think that I probably related
• 1:29:28
  the most to I'm going to say that I related the most to the
• 1:29:36
  snake. Okay.
• 1:29:38
  But they tried to kill yeah because they never actually did
• 1:29:41
  kill it and everybody was just completely overreacting to it
• 1:29:43
  and I was kind of mentally peacing out.
• 1:29:46
  We were leaving the time. No, I wasn't really mentally.
• 1:29:52
  You know, I saw the furniture, right?
• 1:29:53
  And I was like, yeah. No.
• 1:29:55
  This isn't a place. I want to be.
• 1:29:56
  Okay. That's right.
• 1:30:00
  Any final thoughts. Um, it's not, My favorite Friday
• 1:30:04
  the 13th movie. I think you're right about that.
• 1:30:08
  It's nobody's favorite Friday. The 13th movie.
• 1:30:10
  I firmly believe that. Anybody who says it's their
• 1:30:13
  favorite Friday, the 13th movie is kidding themselves, but it's
• 1:30:17
  might like, you, it's much better than I remembered.
• 1:30:20
  It is better than I remembered it.
• 1:30:22
  I avoided it for such a long time, because I remember where I
• 1:30:25
  have this. My parents bought me this movie
• 1:30:27
  when I was a kid, and I was expecting Jason and I watched
• 1:30:30
  it, but was all in first person. So no View.
• 1:30:33
  Parents of the very end and no Jason, which really
• 1:30:37
  disappointed. Travis, I think that's
• 1:30:39
  everybody. I think that's everybody when
• 1:30:40
  they watch this. They expect Jason, they don't
• 1:30:42
  get Jason and they're like, oh yeah, it's not.
• 1:30:44
  Actually this movie that I like people like the franchise.
• 1:30:46
  They don't necessarily like this maybe.
• 1:30:48
  But I feel like I'll before I would not have recommended you
• 1:30:53
  like watch this if you wanted to like get the essence of by
• 1:30:56
  Friday the 13th, but now I got would usually say like server
• 1:31:00
  part 2 but I would throw it in the, you know, I feel like it
• 1:31:03
  This, it's good like family's the groundwork for what, to
• 1:31:07
  expect for the franchise. Like it's a Halloween, rip off
• 1:31:09
  at heart and it's that way throughout the whole series
• 1:31:12
  really, is it it sets itself apart enough.
• 1:31:17
  But, you know, I would recommend it.
• 1:31:21
  Well, until next time, this is what's your least favorite scary
• 1:31:25
  movie. I'm Jesse.
• 1:31:26
  I'm truss. Thanks for listening, thanks.